trump show. " an ambassador to poland daniel free talks about the recent -- ambassador to talks aboutl fried the recent elections and the future of europe. host: congress returns this week with a packed agenda, including its top priority, passing another coronavirus will relief bill. both parties agree it is necessary. welcome. covid-19 has affected the way all of us live and work, with frontline doctors and nurses feeling the daily stress of caring for a growing number of patients across the country. we want to begin by hearing your stories.

tell us how this pandemic has affected you, your family, and your loved ones. if you live in the eastern half of the country, (202) 748-8000. if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones, (202) 748-8001. you want to text us, (202) 748-8003. twitter andon facebook. a lot to get to over the next three hours. from the core of her story debt from the cover story of the new york times -- from the cover story of the new york times sunday magazine. america on track for the worst front of virus response in the developed world. all of us are asking, is a vaccine ready? cnn has this headline as we continue to break new records with coronavirus.

the u.s. breaking its single day record of new cases nine times in a month. casesesterday, 70,000 new in a single day. for web md tv, there exchange --h dr. anthony found she there exchange with dr. anthony fauci. [video clip] >> why are they working with some populations, particularly the younger population? is it a failure of effective communication? >> it is multifaceted. you cannot put your finger on one thing. the thing i think that is important, and i have been analyzing this for quite a while, is that, particularly with young people, and it clearly young people are driving this new surge because if you look at the demography of the

new infections, the age group is at least 15 years younger than what we were seeing a few months ago when things were surging in new york. what happens is that younger individuals who generally, statistically, are not going to have symptoms with the frequency that elderly people do. they are not going to get very sick. they know that. what i think is happening is that, understandably, innocently, but not correctly, the younger individuals are saying, if i get infected, the chances are i will not even have symptoms, so who cares? that is a mistake. by allowing yourself to get infected, or not caring if you do get infected, you are propagating a pandemic. it does not end with you. the chances are you're going to infect someone else who will then infect someone else.

and then someone who is vulnerable to severe consequences will get infected. that could be somebody's father, mother, or grandmother. i could be a sick child. it could be a woman. on chemotherapy. then you are part of the problem. somehow, we have to keep getting that message across. i do not mean blaming anybody because these are people doing this innocently and inadvertently. host: that is from dr. anthony fauci on web md. this headline from people christi,-- in corpus texas, 85 infants testing positive for coronavirus. this headline from the new york times -- older children spread

coronavirus as much as adults. a new study in south korea. here are some details. reopening,ate over one question is whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others. a new study from south korea offers an answer. children younger than 10 spread less often, but the risk is not zero. those between 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults can. the study suggesting that reopening's will trigger more outbreaks. open, clusters will take root, according to experts. several studies have suggested that young children are less likely to get infected, but most of those studies were small and flawed."

they go on to write "children to spreadas likely ."e virus under 10 that story this morning at nytimes.com. we sit down with a doctor on our podcast the weekly. he is the superintendent for the 10th largest school district in fairfax county, virginia. that district with a hybrid approach, allowing students to go to school two days a week or have a virtual learning five days a week. how has this affected you? from middleburg, florida, william, you are up. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment.

someone mentioned that if we could send a man to the moon, we could get the kids back in school. one topic i am concerned about is -- you do not hear anything about it -- kids. what had about -- what about when the exercise? overweight, these problems we do not hear about anymore. it is so different now, this world. when i was a kid, we had to work in tobacco. we were outside all the time. it is just a different world now. it is kind of depressing. to get beyond this somehow and quit letting it be so negative and affecting us. you hear about people drinking, doing more drugs.

just hoping things will turn around. host: william, thanks. we will go to jeremiah from birmingham, alabama. the governor of your state issued a mandate that everyone wear a face mask in public. caller: i think that was a wise decision. we are seeing an increase in covid just as states have reopened and it was not the time to do so. think you should listen to the experts as well as when you have the vice president to come out and say that he does not want to the cdc to direct the opening of schools, i just think it is ridiculous.

and 10 to 19 years of age, as i heard, spread the virus just as easily as adults. all of my children are grown. under -- i would not, these circumstances, send my child to school because there is -- chance of not catching it or dying. that would possibly affect them for the rest of their lives. the risks are too great. what you see with some republican governors in these states are beginning to break ranks with trump, and should be. absolutelyhave had no leadership whatsoever. when you see our hospitals, nurses, and doctors crying for masks and accounts and so forth.

when you see hospitals hoarding supplies. it is ridiculous that he has not invoked the defense production act. host: thank you for the call from birmingham. this is inside the new york times sunday magazine. losingdline, "why we are the battle with covid-19." a big uptick in texas, california, florida, and arizona. bob in utah. caller: my wife had it. this was back in march. host: how is she today? caller: she is having little problems. she was very sick when she had it. people are saying, masto work. -- masks don't work. they should be concerned about other people.

us.ad our green kids with -- grandkids with us. when she was diagnosed with pneumonia, we were not that concerned. they all got sick, had fevers. my granddaughter, she was sick, lost her taste. so i think there are 10 times more cases out there. they prevent you from not getting covid-19? caller: it is a miracle. i drink out of the same glasses and everything, just family life. copd, 82e one long, years old. just a lot of luck. host: you are at high risk. caller: as high as you can get. i am 83. i did not sweat it that much.

sake, quit for gods the political crab and put on a mask. you look stupid without one. i wear it. i golf every day. we don't wear masks out there when we are separated. host: how is your wife doing right now, bob? ok this morning. she's asleep. it is early here. host: thank you for calling. good luck to you. caller: it is stupid not to wear one. you look stupid without it, people. thank you. host: bob from logan, utah. this is the ordeal of one individual in new york. how miracle larry survived covid-19 after 51 days on a ventilator. joe is next in charleston.

caller: hello. steve, i feel a little bit guilty sometimes because financially we have not suffered at all. i have kept my job the entire time. my wife does not work. she is retired. my daughters in law are able to work from home. jobs that theyve are required to still be on the job. one works in manufacturing and the other has a cdl and is a beverage distributor. he found out the other day -- he delivers to a resort called wild dunes and an employee, 38 years old, has died over there. we have extended family. my wife's cousin and his wife both have it.

he checked into the v.a. and was on the hospital for two years and they sent him home. he was on a ventilator. he had pneumonia. kind of strange. i do not understand the cavalier attitude of people running around out there. care, justot seem to run around without masks. our social life is down to nothing. that is ok. we are very careful because i am 72. we are just trying to use good practices, which have been recommended by the cdc, and so far so good. i do have a grandson who is asthmatic. this school opening has us scared. the fortunate thing is that my daughter-in-law is going to be working from home for quite some time and she can take part in

the e-learning for him, but he wants to go back to school. he is a social guy, you know? i feel for the people who are out of work. withneed to get on board this second package and get it moving. i am a fiscal conservative, but i believe in upping people out when it is needed. host: you have seen an uptick in charleston. caller: yes. like our governor, but we have opened a little early. the beaches will be less crowded, so maybe that will help. host: good luck. good to hear from you. national review -- "pondering our remote work future."

he is a william f buckley fellow and journalist at the national review institute, the writer. out that earlier this year he planned to move to new york city. the national review hired him in midtown manhattan. ireland,w, i am in where i hope to be their -- where to be -- where i hope to be." tell how this is impacting you and your family at the six-month mark. lori this joining us. -- lorraine this joining us. caller: i know people who are at high risk and i am concerned about them. there are people willing to wear masks and some who are not. i do not know whether or not you the seen a video made by

last push president. he made it 15 years ago. just yesterday. he and dr. anthony fauci were predicting that there would be this enormous pandemic. he was saying it was critical, at that time, 15 years ago, to be preparing for this. and it included masks. -- io why did we not have mean it, dr. fauci is at the -- why did he not initiate, or did the bush going backion not, 15 years ago? we are not preparing for this. we are not getting the ppes in order so that when the known pandemic was going to happen, we were prepared.

this is astounding to me. it is either incompetence, or ignoring, or something. masks or a huge issue. wereis just one thing that a huge issue at the beginning. why we were not more prepared is beyond me. inside the washington post, anthony fauci built a truce, trump is destroying it. the fragile balance between politics and science. you mentioned the speech that president george w. bush delivered in november, 2005. it is part of our video library on c-span.org. he read a series of articles and books about a pandemic. fox news has this headline. "chris wallace sitting down with trump."

sunday.in its entirety among the issues, the face masks. [video clip] the firste a mask for time in public at walter weed -- walter reed this weekend. do you regret not wearing a mask in public from the start, and would you consider, will you consider, a national mandate that people need to wear masks? mr. trump: i want people to have a certain freedom, and i do not believe in that, no. our surgeon general, terrific guy, said do not wear a mask. all of a sudden now everybody has to wear a mask. with that being said, i am a believer in masks. seen deaths in new york, chicago, shootings.

how do you explain it and what will you do about it? mr. trump: they are democrat-run cities, liberally run, stupidly run. liberal. have been running these cities for decades. why is it so bad now? : biden wants to defund the police. >> he does not. >> he signed a charter with bernie sanders. let's go. give me the charter please. that from fox news sunday. an interview with chris wallace in a warm row garden. next. sacramento, california, lily. caller: good morning.

my phone -- host: we can hear you. caller: can you hear me? host: we sure can. caller: great. listen. i am a person that is recently recovering from the -- excuse me and im the coronavirus, -- i have lied -- i have high blood pressure. know, -- o you people, people with the blood type o. i do not know how i got it. i have been wearing a mask.

i am losing my thought. i am sorry. host: we are going to let you go. we got the essence of what you are saying. we wish you the best. we will go to joe in morristown, new jersey. i am callingeason is because i work in one of the school districts adhere. . am a transit aide is theyroblem upe set up is they have set an unemployment website for people affected by the pandemic. it was called pandemic relief. work,we have no summer and we cannot find summer work because when you go for a job they ask, when you can you start?

basically, you are only going to be there a month, but the thing is you cannot collect unemployment. i do not understand because i have a contract to go back in september. what does that mean? my supposed to sit here and not collect anything and live off whatever i possibly can? host: what grade level do you teach? caller: i do not teach. i am on the school bus. rate. -- right. now they are talking about the teachers. they are going to do this for them and this and that this. what about us? you are talking about separating children with six feet on a school bus that holds 60 children. where will you put these kids? how will you get these kids to school? host: yes, thank you for the call. as congress returns, expect tributes in both the house and the senate.

flags remain at half-staff this morning to pay tribute to john lewis, the civil rights icon turned conscience of congress. that is the headline on the front page of the new york times this morning. he was 80 years old. we sat down with him for a c-span2 in-depth interview that -- thatay afternoon airs this afternoon on c-span at noon. from fleet word -- fleetwood, north carolina, good morning. caller: i remember you from yuri, pennsylvania -- theory, pennsylvania from early in your career. in northrgeon carolina. unfortunately, i was exposed to the covid from an employee that

came to work sick because she would not take sick days. apparently, because if you take sick days they are personal days, she decided to come in, take tylenol, and expose myself and subsequently another employee and my wife as well. wet seven days after, realized she was sick and we send her home. i contracted the disease. and within 10 days, i was in the icu at university hospital in north carolina. host: how long were you in the hospital? caller: i was in the icu for 11 days. i lost 25 pounds in five days. i went into renal failure. blood cell count was 1.7. 45,000 and myere

sodium was 123. i was just about ready to die. i was there for about four days. they told me to call my family because i was about 60 minutes from a respirator. being a physician, i knew what that meant: i would not. i told them i am not going to go on a respirator. in somedo not treat me fashion, i would sign myself out and go to a different hospital. i was told that there were only 400 doses of remdesivir available in north carolina and south carolina, and they were holding it for patients on respirators. host: what was the timeframe for this? caller: this was about two months ago. happened is i basically told them, you are not going to put me on a respirator.

they said it, we need a committee meeting. we will have to talk about it. i said it, talk about it now or i am leaving. an hour later, they came with the remdesivir and i received the medication. from not being able to move for four days and getting a sore on the back of my head from not , seeing a to move physician for about three minutes today. they gave me the medicine. within three hours, i was feeling so much better. i will tell you, when i received inicine, i was so sick that three hours i was sitting up and wanted to watch tv and call my family and have something to eat. i was not sure whether i was

dead. i thought maybe. i thought maybe i had passed away. the first thing i did was -- it was an amazing feeling. i called my wife at home with the covid. she did not get as bad as i did, but she was sick at home and isolated there. if she answered the phone, i was alive. host: are you feeling -- how are you feeling now? caller: good. i am back to work. i tested negative twice. i am back seeing patients and doing surgeries and things like that. right now, i have the active immunity. i have my antibodies. i signed up to donate antibodies, myself and my wife. but it was a horrible experience.

basically, i got it from a younger person who did not want to take the time to be out. host: is she still working for you? caller: by the time she came back, she had already found a different job. i did not get angry about it because she does not really work for me. host: your message to those individuals is what, robert? caller: if you are sick, stay home. if you have a fever, do not try to hide it. just take off and hope your company will work it out for you that you get paid for your time your quarantined or whatever. but get tested and find out if you are positive. and see other people. older, and the person that exposed me to this was younger.

mild symptoms, probably, for a few days. my officeperson in that turned a positive had mild symptoms for a few days. but myself, my wife was sick, and still not feeling well. it was a horrible situation. i did develop viral pneumonia be sickll probably for a long time. host: we appreciate your story, robert. stay well. caller: like i said, i remember you when i finished my residency. hammett hospital in erie, pennsylvania. i remember you through mutual friends. my wifeat is where

started to work as a nurse. robert, we appreciate it. this is from the washington post. congress begins negotiations on a new relief bill. the washington post reporting the trump administration is trying to block billions of dollars to the states for testing and contact tracing in the upcoming relief bill. according to those involved in negotiations, the administration is also trying to block billions republican senators want to allocate to the cdc and billions more to the pentagon and the state department to address the pandemic. the administration's posture has andred some gop senators some lawmakers are trying to push back and make sure the money stays in the bill. officials speaking on the condition of anonymity, cautioning the talks were fluid and influx.

the negotiations centered around a bill mitch mcconnell is prepared to unveil as part of a negotiation with democrats on what will likely be the last major coronavirus relief bill before the november election. and joins us from sterling, joins us fromn sterling, virginia. robert,i want to say, how brave and knowledgeable. i do not have covid-19. no one in my family has it at this time. we are all still self-quarantining. industry,, my corporate travel, has gone to nothing. i am on furlough and will probably be laid off with no health insurance at 64. a lot of these decisions impact me personally. host: from the washington post

-- fighting alone, an excerpt by the new book by republican governor larry hogan saying the president is leaving maryland vulnerable to the pandemic. governor ron desantis. 10,000 new coronavirus cases in his state. florida is a hotspot. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> we devised that people where facial covering -- we advised that people where facial ear --ng -- people wher wear facial covering. those are advisory, not punitive. if you look at the places that have had the most cases, like broward, they have had

compulsory since april, but we are doing advisory. we are not going to be prosecuting people. host: i want to share you this photograph from the new york times. it is from a gravesite in iraq as the death toll in that country continues to escalate. text messages. from john, this is a tweet, saying, my staffers are coming back to work full-time. they are experiencing a pay cut. in river a viewer falls, wisconsin. drove down the road and the rose party going on without masks. here comes the spike in my town. finally, this from dale in florida. retired and thankfully so. people at my age are at greater risk of covid.

i choose to keep doing activities instead of being locked down at home. i am afraid the economy will never recover. return andill never many families will suffer. we go to doris joining us from georgia. good morning. caller: i am reminded of biblical warnings that have been in place all this time. it refers to worldwide effects, not just a spot here and a spot there. if you will take the time to write this down, it made the hair stand on my neck when i read it. ii third chapter. it will enumerate all the things going on worldwide. it sets it aside from all these little outbreaks we have had. it has escalated from a few places to the whole world.

that is what this prophecy was referring to things that will affect the whole world. i hope people will pay attention to it. another i found was in thessalonians #:5. -- 3:5. "peace" and "security" is upon us. host: this is from cnn. linked toirus cases one house party in michigan. amongf the cases are young people between 15 and 25. it is believed the party took place between july 2 and third. that of course was a few weeks ago. aredditional 56 people believed to have had it

face-to-face contact with that large party. again, the headline from cnn. joining us from stonington, maine. caller: i want to tell everybody to wear a mask. trump turned around and fired everybody that had something to do with this pandemic. he fired all of the scientists. now, he turns around and picks on the scientists now. no. they ain't playing that. that is what i want to say. why do we believe him? down in a claim certain place last wednesday. they all had masks on. before they got done, they all took the masks off.

scientists is telling us the truth. trump is lying to us. that is all i have to say. in,, if you're just tuning our question how is the coronavirus impacting you? story, the coronavirus is only intensifying in many states. halfway through the year and the summer season, when officials once hoped warmer weather might speed the coronavirus retreats, the pandemic is only intensifying across much of the country. more, michigan. caller: how this has affected me. we have a man i knew from childhood. we had a guard at a store. he asked a woman to wear a mask. she refused.

they came back and shot and killed the young man. there is a situation where a man cannot go into a business without a shirt or shoes on, so where is the problem with wearing the mask? better not understand this. -- i do not understand this. host: when did this take place? caller: it has been maybe a month ago now. host: horrible story. fluffy he was a big, person. for him to have his life snuffed like that. they eventually caught the two perpetrators, but those are the incidents. if you remember in michigan, they went into the state capital with guns protesting because they did not want to wear a mask. all of a sudden, these groups popped up. when these groups popped up and got money to run buses and

stuff, this is somebody else behind all this. there is a law out there called forbearance about how to be able to deal with your bills. repossessed.ot be you cannot be evicted from your home. it is called forbearance. this law is a federal law. it was put into effect very long time ago. talkedsident said he has to these kids and they are ready to go back to school. my 15-year-old once to drive my new cadillac too, budding happening -- but it ain't happening. host: thank you. this is a tweet. "just heard that a family friend has been in the icu with covid-19 on oxygen and blood thinners.

the disease is no joke." next up is brad from virginia. caller: i work in schools. i was listening to your interview -- i will be listening to your interview with a doctor later to see how the return will be. i know the school districts around us are starting to switch to distance-learning. i am thinking that is the area we will head in. it was difficult this past year just because it was tough to get students to be motivated to do things. grades weren't factored. it will be interesting to see how that works. host: i asked him about arlington and prince william to the north are and south of fairfax county, and 189,000 students in fairfax

county alone. caller: the logistics are mind boggling when it comes to the buses, hallways, and lunchrooms. it is mind-boggling to see how that will work. every study on the planet says that kids being in school is the best way to go from a learning perspective, but there is that logistics perspective as well. host: thank you for the call from springfield, virginia. by the way, that podcast is the weekly. our conversation with the fairfax county superintendent of schools. the latest ad from the biden campaign taking aim at the president. [video clip] >> i am thinking of all of you today. and though the rise in case numbers is causing fear. people are frightened. they are worried about their parents, their grandparents,

loved ones who are at risk. this virus is tough, but we can stop the spread. it is up to all of us to do it. we have to do the simple things, the easy things, and the hard things to keep our families safe. wear a mask. i want every american to know that if you're sick, struggling, worrying about how you will get through the day, i will not abandon you. we are all in this together. we will fight this together. and together we will emerge from this stronger then we were before we began. i am joe biden and i approve this message. host: this from dave on our twitter page. "there are a list of 18 states. if i go there, i need to quarantine." i want to go back to the earlier called from michigan.

the washington post has the story on that shooting in flint that took place. -- guard inard flint was killed after telling a woman that she had tori face she had totore -- wear a face mask in store. she drove off, returned to the store with her husband, and then shot and killed the security guard. that is from may 5 in flint, michigan. alan is joining us from georgia. caller: i have an unusual story about coronavirus. about two months ago in atlanta, i went to the doctor, thinking i possibly was having a heart attack. it turned out that i had shingles. apparently i had chickenpox as a kid. it finally came back to bite me as shingles, which is in inflammation of the skin.

they put me on an antiviral. plannedame time, i had to visit my girlfriend in mexico, in the yucatan. i went ahead because i was not infectious. andok the bus to merida spent a couple weeks with her and her daughter, who happened to be a cardiac surgeon. my girlfriend was not feeling very well. she was having diarrhea, breathing problems, so on. her andout that both her daughter had developed coronavirus and they have since recovered. but i did not get it. i certainly was not social distancing. we lived together in the same house.

either i wass somehowarly lucky or the residual effects of the antiviral i had been taking, which i took into the trip to clear up the shingles, had blocked the coronavirus from having an effect. i have no idea. but i was very fortunate. host: thank you for sharing your story with us. that is allen in atlanta. cindy on twitter says, i spent march and april isolating for my family, looking forward to better days in the summer. now it is even worse. it is clear due to a total lack of leadership that we will be in this state until a vaccine. the house republican leader kevin mccarthy saying liability shield should not be traded for

more regulation. republicans repeatedly rejected --ndards avin mccarthy says it sets up conflict with democrats who have been pushing since march for an emergency osha standard to strengthen protection for workers. however, republicans have prevented it from being included in prior packages. democrats agreeing to some liability protections in exchange for republicans finally consenting to the osha standard. --gressman mccook congressman mccarthy rejecting a trade-off. that again from roll call.com. we will go to jean in

pennsylvania. good morning. caller: it has impacted me. i have become unemployed. they are cutting up the cares act. i became unemployed starting on june 1. host: what were you doing before? caller: i was working as a contractor. been paid well. i liked the position. it shouldooner than have due to the coronavirus. it was expected -- the company is now having a lot of layoffs. i do not expect to be called back. and i hear this could possibly lead into me leaving my home if i do not regain employment. feeding my family. my husband is her tired and he

visitingwant family for fear of him possibly contracting it. on top of it, the government not doing anything. this is really making me angry. i hear that some of these politicians, their families are getting money. where been in situations i could have gone home and collected unemployment and i decided not to and i commuted to be employed. it just makes me angry that people who are working now are subjected to the cares act being cut off, but the big businesses are getting money. i also think they are politicizing the whole coronavirus. people keep blaming the president, but i am not. with thatcame out article that the cdc had wrong formation.

every time i listen to anthony fauci, i cannot understand one word he is saying. he provides no leadership. why is he still being heard from? i am also seeing the country being dismantled. our history, cities, are being destroyed. mascot is now under attack. they are trying to remove my high school mascot. host: what was the mascot? is a rater -- raider. raider.n grade -- they don't even know what the symbolism is. and i cannot get to the bottom of who is driving it. hoping, when it

comes out in the newspaper, that they reveal who is driving the petition. if they do not -- and this has happened to a lot of high schools. but what i am saying is people are locked down and there is no can been acacian. call, people do not answer phones. host: we will leave it there. thank you for the call. some stories. of howquestion coronavirus has impacted you, someone writes, it killed my dad. mom ised my mom -- my recovering at 93. a group of republicans critical of the trump administration and its handling of covid-19. let's watch. [video clip] >> there was a day when our nation's intelligence and public health experts pleaded with

donald trump to take the coronavirus seriously. did he listen? no. he probably scrolled through his twitter feed or daydreamed about his next rally, or asked lindsey graham to play golf, or ordered fewer tests. than 130,000 americans are dead. millions are sick. thousands more infected every day. work, imillions out of from the world -- isolated from the world. and what does trump do? he tells us to live with it. ♪

that from the lincoln project. how this is playing out in terms of the presidential election. this is the headline from bloomberg.com. "what is on the table for the next round of virus relief?" joining us on the phone is eric watson of bloomberg news. give us a sense of the dynamics. we will hear from mitch mcconnell as he reveals -- unveils a senate gop plan. where do things stand now? a the house in may passed $3.5 trillion heroes act that was comprehensive. it provided a new round of direct payments. it continued the unemployment boost that is ending at the end hazard pay fornd

essential workers. it also had money for expanded testing and tracing and a host of other provisions. we are at the stage where mcconnell is coordinating with steven mnuchin, the treasury only planned a gop that he will reveal probably on tuesday. the word of the week is that there is a lot going back and forth between the white house and republicans. first there was the issue of the payroll tax. trump has referred to a desire to suspend the payroll tax from paychex, potentially for six months or more, to stimulate the economy. that has not been popular among senate republicans. they are perhaps more open to the idea of another round of direct checks. if you implement this payroll tax change, it filters down to companies. it will not really get into pockets until october or later.

that was one wrinkle. another that emerged yesterday blunt has been charged with coming up with a new plan for health care spending. he has put in 25 billion dollars for testing and tracing and $10 billion for the cdc. the white house came back and said there is enough money already there. there is a real back-and-forth between the two sides now. host: eu, the new york times, others reporting though -- others reporting the white house is pushing back. ?here republicans on the aspect >> they are looking at $1 trillion. they are trying to cap it at that. they need to look at the deficit hawks.

the price tag has been $3 trillion for the covid crisis. they are trying to limit it to another $1 trillion. the democrats are talking about more money for school openings, approaching $4 trillion, going up. to get those guys on board, they are trying to limit it, but it becomes an issue of how you 500le that square with billion dollars going into a payroll tax deduction. host: someone has indicated that the house could be in session through the first week of august. give us a sense of the calendar and the looming deadlines. >> the house is looking to leave after the end of july. is set to be in session until august 8 or nine and then go on recess. there is a desire by senate republicans to go back and

campaign in their districts. it is very much up for grabs right now. there is a deadline pressure on mitch mcconnell, whereas pelosi is feeling her numbers are looking better for her vulnerable members. host: eric watson, his work available at bloomberg news. previewing what to expect when the house and senate return tomorrow, gaveling in at 9:00 a.m. here on c-span. back to your phone calls on coronavirus. how this has impacted you. we will go to ruby next in shelby, north carolina. how are you? caller: i am doing ok. i am at high risk of getting the virus. i have been listening to the people calling in this morning and everybody is taking this maybe the except for people in washington.

i do not understand why they cannot, put -- cannot come up with some kind of finance. month, therelast have been for day care centers shut down. also, i do not understand why some states where it is so high, why the governors do not want to issue a mandate on wearing masks , you know, florida, because these are the people that voted him into office. they ought to be concerned about their constituents instead of what the president or fox news is saying. i am so glad to hear so many people calling in and taking this seriously. it is a serious thing. and it does not look like it is going to go away anytime soon. i pray for everybody that has it

and the ones that are suffering. i have lost two friends to the virus. i did not even know she was sick. she got to the hospital and had -- and in the newspaper, i was shocked to see the name. it said he had died from the virus. i really hope the president will get a handle on this because he is not making any sense, not wanting to help people. i was listening about the money they needed to fight the virus. , finally, that some of the republicans are starting to speak up and listen to the people instead of whatever he is saying. host: we will leave it there. ruby, thank you for the call. stay well. caller: thank you.

ruby from north carolina. talkingp, we will be about campaign 2020, and we will be joined by bishop aubrey shines, chairman of a new group, conservative clergy of color. abc news chief white house correspondent jonathan karl has a new book called "front row at the trump show," in an op-ed this past week in the "washington post." you are watching and listening to c-span's "washington journal ," on this sunday morning, the 19th of july. we are back in a moment. ♪ >> during the summer months, reach out to your elected officials with c-span's congressional directory. it contains all of the contact information you need to stay in touch with federal agencies, state governments, and order your copy online today at c-spanstore.org.

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this gentleman exuded with his counterparts during the inception of our civil rights icon leaders. we certainly hope and pray that the strength and magnitude of what john was able to really accomplish, at least in the inception, is something that all of us can take a lesson from. host: when you say "mixed legacy," what do you mean? guest: well, during the latter years, he kind of divorced himself from some of the principles that dr. king and others at the time adhered to. dr. king was opposed to abortion. he was pro-traditional marriage. during the latter years, congressman lewis' perspective kind of got away from that, but it does not, obviously, discount the fact that he had a tremendous impact bringing black-and-white together during 1960's.

host: bishop shines, talk about your organization, why it was formed, and what your mission is. will: this organization give an alternative voice to the various issues that are out, whether it is antifa, black lives matter, part a schism that is unfortunate, and the mainstream media and their negligence as it relates to doing all americans great services, and that is simply making sure that our voices are here., our voices will be t host: do you support the president's reelection? guest: i do. and also, for your viewers, i traveled for then candidate trump. and all the clergy, by the way, in the united states of america, when hillary clinton wrote her lost, ithe reason she am, by name, listed in her

blood. so i support this president. i think he is doing a fantastic job. steve, not just here, he is doing a good job for all americans, whether we are black, white, brown, and/or yellow, and he is doing a great job with trans international issues as well. host: when you look at the latest poll numbers come in abc poll/"washington post" pau has joe biden up by 16%. president trump turn things around? guest: i don't, steve, subscribe to those polls. [laughs] in 2016, all of the numbers did not reflect anything called accuracy. even into the night, when the votes were being counted, they still had then candidate trump down 12% to 14%. and then the map turned red. we are dealing with an economic

fallout of the coronavirus, black lives matter, how do trump supporters contend? guest: the policies that this president has put forth has helped all americans. host: i have to ask you about the public health threat of , because you have to admit there has been an issue, the president and the fox news issue, getting too conflicted sides to the issue. guest: i don't know.

it is a very contentious moment with this, because we have achieved dr. there, in one breath, saying one thing, depending on what month it is. there are all mixed signals coming out. again, reflecting as far as the president going in a certain direction, i do not think that is going to impact in, because we are seeing these mixed signals, not just from the federal government, but let's think about it on state levels as well. look at florida, georgia, etc., we are hearing different things as well, but we are also seeing false reporting. we are seeing the cdc seemingly saying one thing versus another, and i am hoping and praying that this issue of resolve will find clarity "new york times in -- in just aou know, moment here. host: trump says he thinks he can get 15% of the african-american vote. where does it come from?

how does he get there? guest: i think americans are awakening. our group, for instance, we put videos, etc.,eds, and blacks in america are actually resonating to -- case in point, steve, they are realizing who margaret sanger was, what her organization was about, how they have been impacted. they are also learning that there has been one political party in the united states history that has fought against blacks moving forward, and that is history that no one of us can deny. blacks are awakening to that. they are understanding the impact of the democratic party, and this is why president donald j. trump is pulling not just 12%, but in some of the polls that we are looking at, as high as 28%. inse things are coming out spite of the mainstream's ability to seemingly try to shut the ears of blacks in america to

these folks. host: the most recent nbc news/"wall street journal" paul has african americans support at 6% for joe biden, 80%, for 2% undecided or don't know. guest: [laughs] well, again, when i see these steve, butn't help, reflect just a few years ago, the sam's pollsters had the same numbers. my recollection was hillary donald was going to win, trump was in single digits, and, again, we know how those things turn out. people say different things. i had people say to me that they would intentionally get pollsters that information, because they fear retaliation. they fear that something would be exposed in their lives, so i think we are seeing the same template lived out all over again with some of these posts.

i do not believe there is a real scientific understanding, as it were, for individuals that are really reporting these facts. there is nothing factual at all. it has been quite an anomaly, to say the least. we do not believe the polio. to bishopre talking aubrey shines, a native of chicago. he serves as the chair of the conservative clergy of color. spend a moment, give the audience your background. guest: so growing up in a business-oriented home, when my dad was living, he was one of the first blacks, of many, to accomplish some of the things that he did in the state of illinois. a very hard-working home. taught ethics like work, responsibility, non-entitlement, that you could make it, in spite of whatever odds are against you. and to watch a man who was born in the 1920's, in a very segregated south, never use racial epithets, never burned a

building down convoluted against someone because of some seemingly unfair treatment, to watch the success of my dad has really been my inspiration to transfer that to go into the prison systems, and on the streets as well, to share an inspirational message about the judeo-christian practices in this country and how great this nation has been to overcome some of the divisiveness that we have seen. i think it is a testimony, not to me, but really to men like my dad and my mom. host: let's go to anne in jamaica, new york. democrats line. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. host: please go ahead. you are on the air. caller: can you hear me? host: we sure can. caller: i am an african-american woman, about 80 years old. hello? can you hear me? host: we sure can. go ahead, anne.

caller: i think this man is a disgrace. trump is a disgrace. he will go down in history as the worst president ever, ever, ever. he is a disgrace to society. how can someone come another black person say they support trump? ofmp will never get 10% black votes. he is a disgrace to this country, a total disgrace. .ost: we will get a response bishop aubrey shines. iest: thank you, anne, appreciate your response when someone disagrees with someone, that tends to cancel them. i heard you say that i am disgraceful, that this president nne, pleasece, but, a member when you share those types of words without sharing, ma'am, why you feel that way, you add to the narrative that

when you disagree with someone, just call them a name. note, anne, you did not bring up any policies that mr. trump has brought forth. disgrace, butt lik i am a you do not know me. my mother is jewish, so i guess i am a disgrace to blacks and a disgrace to jews. i would vehemently disagree with calling someone names without speaking of any specific policy, but i do appreciate your calling and. host: we go to javier, joining us from miami on our line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning to both of you. i just want to commend bishop aubrey, because he is courageous to stand there and talk truth, and i am just amazed at the level of brainwashing that is occurring by the media, because

anywhere you go, anywhere you turn, any newspaper you pick up, or magazine, is the same rhetoric about president donald trump. it 1000e i repeat times, first becomes perception, and then truth, for some. let's just take, for instance, one issue, and that is abortion. the democratic party and their platform is the active promotion of either the dismembering of sucking through a tube of little infants that cannot defend themselves or the cutting into pieces. now, if you want to promote that for money and politics, you are willing also to lie, to cheat, to steal, by logic, huh? by just sheer logic. if you are willing to do that innocent human beings -- by the way, most of those are black, are black babies, are the ones

that end up being killed in abortion. host: we will get a response. thank you for the call. guest: javier, i think you are right on point there. and, again, to every viewer, believe,point, i should be amplified. just briefly here, consider this. planned parenthood started by a white eugenicist who happened to be a democrat. that white eugenicist, margaret sanger, her words, not mine, "blacks are no more than weeds," that is how she viewed them, and she believe they should be exterminated. well, that view is still being held by her party. only 13% ofsent individuals who are in this nation, yet they make up this totality, as far as large numbers come over 20 million plus since roe v. wade have actually been started. note fertility clinics that help ladies produce children are

predominately in white areas. however, planned parenthood is an prominently black and brown areas. t, i think he poin is onto something. again, when i hear the rhetoric of those on the left speaking of the horrible things that this president has done, remember, he is the only sitting president who has ever marched even for life. those things are protecting, by the way, black children in the womb. they and their lives matter as well. host: last month, in an op-ed in the "washington times," you wrote the following, quote -- "of course there is racism in america, and it is in the democratic party." can you explain? yes.: the democratic party of course was proslavery, the crow kkk. they are the party that gave us jim crow laws.

it was the democratic president that said, and i cannot use the n-word that he used, that if we continue to give blacks in america these entitlements, we -- don't votee for it for the next 200 years. so we see systemic racism, and it is still by a party that fought the 13th, 14th, 15th the men met in our constitution to even prevent blacks from even voting. they are still doing the same thing, and that is they are divideto be divisive and americans by issues of black-and-white kid ruts . wass remember, steve, it the republican party that said we are all equal in the eyes of god. by the way, i am not a republican, i am a conservative, for gods's sake, and that is conservative clergy of color, we fight for this. includinges, symbols,

the confederate flag, there was a statement by the defense department that did not list the confederate flag, per se, but listed the flags that were , care and military bases in this country and around the world. this past week, on cbs news, she used to be at fox, katherine harris with president trump. [video clip] catherine: back in 2015, you said about a flood belonged in a museum. do you still believe that? pres. trump: my attitude is freedom of speech. very simple. like it, don't like it, it is freedom of speech. catherine: would you be comfortable with your supporters displaying the battle flag at your events? pres. trump: it depends on what your definition is i am comfortable with freedom of speech. catherine: you understand why the flag is painful for some --

they are not thinking about slavery. i look at nascar, you have the flags all over the place. they stopped it and i think it is freedom of speech, whether it is confederate flags or black lives matter or anything else you want to talk about. it is freedom of speech. host: the full interview available at cbsnews.com. bishop aubrey shines, your comments. guest: well, i agree with our president. again, if we are going to remove the various landmarks, then what are we doing? this brief analysis as case in point. if we remove the icons that do not represent the best in america, then how do we teach our children, our nieces and nephews, that this nation actually overcame individuals like that? what is next? tomorrow, are we then going to remove martin luther king, after all, he traditionally believe that abortion was one of black'' biggest ailments that

they needed to rid themselves of. when we remove these historical icons, again, like them or hate them is not the issue, we then take away our ability to teach our children. the good of america actually overcame these individuals, and once you begin, steve, to go down that road of removing things, then what are you doing subsequent? you are now putting black lives matter's individuals as icons, and these individuals have their history, their origins, it is based out of marxism. so what are we going to do now? start america from marxism? i believe, in the words of our presidents, let these icons estate. if states want them, it is states rights. let's use them as a teaching tool and not being divisive. host: the organization is conservative clergy of color.

its chair is bishop aubrey shines. caller: good morning. bishop aubrey shines, thank you for taking the time to speak to people on this issue. i am sorry about the comment that that lady anne made in your direction. i will say this, as someone who voted democrat and then voted republican, anytime i set i voted for a republican candidate, i have gotten the worst from white liberals, so let me say i am not an advocate for donald trump. i think donald trump is the consequence of the people like a joe biden. now, donald trump has done some good in the country, has done some not so good in the country, but when people call in, and they make attacks against you, or they say "black republicans," or "black this," i think the fact that you ignore the fact that joe biden was in office for 40 years as u.s. senator,

and not one thing was passed to support the black community, that is why i cannot vote for him or taken seriously. thatefore anybody gets on joe biden/anti-trump bandwagon, joe biden, not donald trump, is the person who eulogized a former clans member. joe biden is the one who eulogized strom thurmond, who gave 24 straight hours of a segregationist speech. the democrat party has been the party, historically, tied to systemic racism. if you are offended by the confederate flag, you cannot support the democratic party, because the democrat party was the party that the flag was protected by. so, mr. shines, keep working hard and doing what you are doing. i do not agree with some of the things you are saying, but i do agree with the idea of black independence and black voting

independent, because for 80 years, since 1936, we have voted for the democrat party, and we are still talking about, "we shall overcome." so for the future callers coming in, you should catch yourself before you attack mr. shines, because you vote for a party that has failed, failed, failed the black man over and over again. take care. host: frank from lynchburg, thank you. bishop shines, your reaction. guest: i think that that gentleman just displayed what we are trying to help individuals consider, and that is, listen, let's have discourse. let's use diplomacy. the very stats that that gentleman shared, look, these are on our website, we talk about these things, we produce videos about that subject matter. we get a complete history of those things. by the way, to that gentleman, if he is ever interested, i did a five-minute video that homes.y reach 60-million

it gave a historical account of the democratic party. again, these are not my opinions, these are things that are embedded within our history books, and anyone that can continue to overlook these things, they are either intentionally deceiving themselves or, unfortunately, they are under a cloud of under individuals, rather, that have pushed this narrative and they have fell victim to themselves. steve, i just say, to that caller, we can do better. host: the website, by the way, is conservativeclergyo fcolor.org, and this is what it looks like, as we go to new jersey. caller: good morning, steve. good morning, bishop. we are not under a cloud when the republic and party's only conservative when the democrats are in office.

that first $2 trillion tax package, 83% went to the top 1% in america. martin luther king was a republican. the problem is, he was a republican because of the dixiecrat's. -- of the ku klux klan supported the democratic party back then. today, the ku klux klan supports the republican party. just like donald trump says that -- he calls some people "anti-semitic," but when those people in charlottesville were saying that "jews will not replace us," he kept silent, and then said "there's nice people on both sides." for the pro-life, but democratic -- for the republican party to have voter suppression

you to say that you support donald trump, donald trump was a democrat for over 60 years, for the majority of his life! he only became republican when he ran for president. now, for you to say that we are delusional? the delusional one -- this is the first president that they had fact checkers on. this is a president that won't even unveil the portrait of president obama, and he just covered the portraits up of george bush, and he covered the portrait up of hillary clinton. host: we will stop you there, cornell, and get a response. thanks for the call. guest: cornell, i am sorry, i was not able to kind of follow everything you are saying there, , but if i took your one

point only, how could i support donald trump him all, he was a andcrat for six decades, therefore, i guess you are and then that he only became a republican to run, well, if he was a racist in the party of racism, which is the democratic party, wouldn't logic at least imply that he should remain a democrat, and he should run as a democrat? please remember, sir, people like al sharpton, jesse jackson, oprah winfrey, and a host of other blacks that are in america actually was not only no donald trump prior to him running, they supported him, he supported them. so, again, if he is a racist, sir, he is doing a horrible job at being a racist, because, after all, he is the president who has reformed prison issues. by the way, that primarily affects blacks. he is the first president -- if

he is a racist, he is doing a horrible job, because the policies that this gentleman has created that have helped blacks historically in ways they have never been helped before. so, sir, if he is a racist, i certainly hope he continues to be one, as he continues to do a great job for all americans. host: on the issue of reparations, this is a story in "usa today," moving ahead for reparations for black americans. a reporter, nicole anna jones, was asked about the issue of reparations. she is part of the 1618 project. let's watch that and get your reaction on the others. [video clip] nicole: black americans phase a single economic crisis, both prior to the pandemic and after the pandemic. what it would look like is a comprehensive program, and investment of resources in black communities and schools, constructive by federal, state,

and local governments. actuald call for enforcement, civil rights laws against discrimination in housing and its cremation and jobs, and, most importantly, it would include individual tax payments to black americans to make up for. black households have $.10 of wealth for every house that white americans have, and black american households with children have one cent of wealth that white americans have. host: your reaction, bishop shines. guest: i have one word -- "misguided." i think it is fair to say that any civil minded individual, let's be honest here, if you commit a crime against me, should i go to your neighbor and have your neighbor pay for that crime, or should i go to you? the same concept is true as it relates to reparations for reparations, as they will be given, should not go to the individuals who believe in this go to the party that gave them

to them in the first place? it was the democratic party. so if we are going to be paid, shouldn't nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, be the first ones in line, writing out checks to blacks? that i go further. what about blacks that own blacks? i will go even further. if that is the case, and historically it is, shouldn't we countries?islamic after all, they were the major buyers of blacks, selling them to people in spain and other places. this narrative is silly. the only time we hear about reparations is when an individual sits in the overall office, that happens to be a republic, and that is when we hear about it. every four years, the same race identity issues begin to surface over and over again, hoping to stir up the emotions of individuals. and, by the way, if race reparations were necessary, when barack hussein obama was in the oval office for eight years, having a senate and a congress that he could have used, why

didn't he ask reparations? no one would have been able to stop him. they certainly didn't when he passed socialized medicine called obamacare. so it is a silly notion. it is only used to create emotions within a particular community, and, steve, i just think we should do better than that. as a nation, we should not be divided. we are the united states of america. host: we will go to alabaster, alabama, on the republican line. karen, thank you for waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing this morning? host: we are good. thank you for joining us. caller: first, i want to say, i love your guest. i agree with everything he has said. i also agree with the person from virginia who called in just earlier. he mailed it, 100%, why has been elected. pros not that people are trump, they are anti-career politicians. i was going to say that is one reason why jeff sessions lost, because we are tired of career politicians being put into office. but my question for your guest

facts, how can we get the out about president trump? he has been the first pro-african american president we have had come up with a lot of the things he has done. to do we get the word out people with what he has done, the facts, without everyone listening to the media and airspan on what he has done -- their spin on what he has done. thank you. host: karen, from alabama, thank you. guest: karen, we get the facts showsing into like steve's show here. i cannot help it. i think it is a great show. go to your favorite media outlets, whatever they are, share it. print them out. share them with friends. meet other people that are perhaps not part of the circle in which you run in. identify church groups, etc., civil groups, etc., and get the information out.

again, i believe facts will always went. there is a reason why the continues todia suppress groups like ourselves, conservative clergy of color here. why? they cannot find them selves able to stand against facts? why? it doesn't fit their narrative. the work you're doing in alabama i think personifies the work we can all do. let's talk about it. let's have a civil, diplomatic conversation. i thing we can find out that america is a great place to live. if you don't believe that, by the way, get a passport, travel somewhere, and you will come back to this great country, and you will thank god for the united states of america. host: we will go to greenville, north carolina. robert, you are next. caller: yes, bishop, what do you think about donald trump's racism? guest: could you become a circum-a little more specific? that goesn the racism

to those who were incarcerated, primarily blacks? are you talking about the racism when he get historical amount of money that no other president has done, historically black colleges and universities? are you talking about the same racism but dated a black woman? or are you talking about racism when he supported people like rosa parks, al sharpton, jesse jackson? i guess, sir, you are going to have to be a little more clear on what part of the racist rhetoric this president has, in your opinion, shown, that i am just not aware of. host: robert from brooklyn is next, republican line. good morning. ohioans caller: good morning. -- caller: good morning. really think a christian person would support donald trump in this election. butsaid you were a jew,

gentile andw is arabs. israel commits genocide and homicide on the palestinian people. you were excited about it. do you have one testament, sir? because jesus was born in palestine. so i would like you to address that for me. palestine.orn in but yet when you talk about in christmas time, you keep silent. let's talk about bethlehem. host: robert, we will leave it there and get a response. bishop shines, is this something you have been focusing on? guest: robert, actually, i find it very difficult to believe that our president is anti-semitic. after all, he does have a sign and some grandkids that are

jewish, so i am really not sure the part of anti-semitic schism that you are referencing. as you asked a question about where jesus was born, let me very briefou a theological premise of crisis. it is not about the color of one's skin. it racism, as we know it, sir, here in this country and abroad, was never reflected in any of the torah and/or the new testament. there were tribe issues. there were cultural issues. . . but race was not the issue. christ did not come to save a specific race. if you are a judeo-christian believer, you believe one blood, all mankind, every waste was created, so i never put my race above my christian principle. that you those is something that practicevers that orthodoxy in christianity is something we all believe, never race above principles.

that is called idolatry. host: bishop shines, we have seen not only a spike in coronavirus come in a number of large cities, most notably los angeles, houston, chicago. a spike in shootings, predominantly, among african-american men, and the issue of police shootings are coming up. this is more from the interview between cbs news and the president on that topic. [video clip] >> if you save you shooting of george floyd was a terrible thing -- pres. trump: terrible. >> why are after american men still dying at the has a law enforcement? pres. trump: so are white people. what a terrible question. more white people, by the way. more white people. response?shines, your question guest: i think the president is right. justi in the last several year, several hundred thousand are diane, by the way, that was not by white police officers,

94% of those individuals were black killing blacks. the president is right. last year alone, killing nine unarmed black man that were killed by the police, but guess what? it was double that number and then a few for whites, so we are not seeing officers hunting down individuals, like we have heard some of the entertainment area talk about. it is a false narrative. it is something that the media continues to push without any facts. listen, if black lives matter -- and all black lives, all lives matter -- where is the outcry, when 70% of those individuals who have died just in this weekend, they were from blacks killing blacks? the president is right. i do not. . think the question is fair. it certainly is not a statistical question, and, again, when we begin to address issues of this magnitude, the pushback that we hear our name calls or demeaning of some sort

of way. let's talk about the facts. the president is 100% correct. black on black crime is something that we should look at, and there is an answer that has nothing to do with the police. it has everything to do with black fathers taking care of their black children. once that happens, by the way, there is no difference in the difference in employment, there is no difference in household median income. so when the black father is taking care of their black child and black children, there is no difference in whites and/or blacks. that is the reality, and until we are going to be intellectually honest about it in this country, we are going to continue to see this type of divisiveness continue to run rampant. i just believe we can do better than what we are hearing. host: our next call is from your hometown of chicago. steve, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing today? host: good morning. we are fine. go ahead with your question. eah, trump is a

disgrace to he lies every time his lips move. that is why he is a disgrace. disgrace, because you are nothing but a profiteer. you are not a preacher, you are a profiteer. you are a bootleg preacher appeared you're a profiteer. that is why you are a disgrace. you are a disgrace, because you are a profiteer, not a preacher. host: do you want to respond? i, again, theve, insults are not going to get you a long way. if the republicans are going to givee, i wish i could them a po box that i could receive checks from. [laughs] i will say this to you, sir, my life has been threatened many times. i have to have, at times, security in places that i am going, so if i am profiting from a group that i am not getting a check from, again, i'm not aware

of it, and i wish that the threats would stop. but until then, i will continue to champion this cause, because calling someone a name is not how we get, sir, anything done. when i look at the city in which you are a part of, a beautiful city that my grantors of my data my heartve lived in, like is broken, because i see the carnage on the street, and that is not by the republican party, sir, it is not by white police officers, those are black kids killing other black kids, and if we don't address that issue, we will continue to see the economy -- steve, thank you for your call, but i think we could do better than calling each other names. host: let me go back to the issue of police officers and really the division that we saw since the death of george floyd. how do communities rebuild that trust between law enforcement and the communities that they represent and that they serve? guest: yeah, well, steve, every

time there has been, that we are aware of, especially on video, that does not fit the narrative of the great men and women that protect our community, those individuals, and, again, they are prosecuted, as long we saw in north carolina, where they stop the guy and gunned him down who was running, they are in a prison somewhere. i do not like calling them police. i like calling them peace officers, because they really do create peace. the reality of it is, when bad cops go bad, guess what? they go to prison. but, again, we can't take a small fraction and a look at that and say, "aha, that all of them are bad." something i learned about in school is called deductive logic. andannot say an egg is hard a rock is hard, therefore an egg is a rock. let due process have its preeminence, and in doing so, we

will get rid of the bad cops, but we need these peace officers on the streets of our inner city, especially -- as a matter of fact, instead of defunding them, how about increasing the number of police officers, because these areas that are riddled with crime, they need help more than anyone else, and we can see that, unfortunately, of littlee the lives infants and those that are 79 years of age, that they are being gunned down. they did not do anything wrong. and by the way, they were not killed by police officers, they were killed by other blacks. we need our men and women in blue to continue to serve. we will respect them, we will honor them, and we will prosecute those who have gone astray. we can do better, steve, then back callers suggestion. host: your organization was founded when? guest: it was just founded recently, but the body of work has actually been going on about a dozen years or so. we have been doing it -- these

individuals that i have used to help me cofound this, these individuals have extensive work in the communities, doing various things. several -- a few, rather, have been before our congress, doing work, sitting on other boards. so we have come together, because we often work together, doing other things, and that we have said, "you know what? let's unite. pool all of our resources together," and, by the way, we have so many people who want to be a part of this organization, black-and-white, and we can preserve the dna of this nation. wayit is not racism, by the , it is the united states of america that overcame racism, and this is why, steve, we do the work that we do. yofcolor,twitter @clerg and the chair, bishop aubrey shines, the conservative clergy of color organization, thank you

for joining us. guest: thanks again, steve. always good to be with you, sir. host: please come back again. the book is called honoré "front row at the trump show." karl, chief white house correspondent at abc news, he will be joining us in just a moment from the d.c. bureau. look at thell reelection of the president of poland. for nato and the future of europe. you are watching and listening to c-span's "washington journal" on sunday, july 19. we are back in a moment. ♪ >> monday night on "the communicators," california democratic congressman ro khanna , who represents silicon valley, talks about how twitter ceo jack dorsey and facebook ceo mark zuckerberg reacted differently to president trump using their platforms to suggest there could be mail-in ballot voter fraud. nna: they handled it

differently. i think jack dorsey handled it better, but i do not think that if the main issue. the reality is i do not think donald trump's misleading talks about voter ballots, in doing that did not leave less people reading tweets. it probably lead to more people reading tweets. so do i think dorsey took a better approach? questioni think the for facebook on civil rights is more broad. how are they handling speech that is giving people false information about how to vote? >> congressman ro khanna, monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on "the communicators" on c-span2. ," theight, on "q&a american conservative director editor, john burtka,

on his special edition of the magazine. john: i perceived of the project because there is a lot going on right now, and it is unsettling times for a number of americans. everything having to do with the covid crisis to the lockdown, the killing of george lloyd and the subsequent protests and riots, and the presidential election. a lot of people are taking the opportunity to re-examine first principles and trying to figure out where we stand as a nation. >> watch tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's "q&a." ♪ >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us from the d.c. bureau of abc news is jonathan karl, chief white house correspondent for abc news. his new book, "front row at the trump show." and for the last year, he served the whitesident of house correspondents association. thanks for coming back here. we appreciate it. guest: thanks, steve. host: white house press

secretary kaylee machen only, you wrote the following, "as a reporter of the white house press association, i have often advocated regular briefings by the white house press secretary, which lapsed in 2016. canmerits of the briefings be debated, but i think the white house has obligation to answer pronouncements of the executive branch. the white house press secretary's job differs fundamentally from those of a spokesperson, a candidate, or a political party, and the white house press secretary serves as the president of the -- pleasure of the president, but their salary is paid by the taxpayers." from your standpoint, we are not getting that from the administration, correct? guest: no. i am glad to see that briefings are taking place, but if you look at the briefings, they are very short events. they are almost always less than

half an hour. sometimes no more than 15 minutes, and they have fallen into a pattern where there is kind of an opening monologue that is meant to, you know, either attack the people in that room, the reporters in that room and the news organizations, or to promote some political issue that the president is harping on. and then they closed in kind of precisely the same way. and it almost seems to me that the purpose of the briefing is, one, to promote the president's two,ical prospects, and, to go on the attack against reporters, instead of trying to inform the reporters in that room. host: in your article, in your essay, you point out one exchange in which you are asking the white house press secretary about the president's between regarding nascar and bubba wallace. let's watch and get your reaction. [video clip] jonathan: what is the president's position about

nascar banning the confederate flag? sec. mcenany: he said he was not making a judgment one way or the other. the intent of the tweet was to stand up for the men and women of nascar and the fans and those who have gone in this rush to judgment of the media to call something a hate crime when in fact the fbi concluded this was not an intentional recess act, and it very much mirrors other times when there has been a rush to judgment, let say with the covington bullies or jussie smollett. jonathan: let's drill down on the confederate flag. does he say it was a mistake for nascar to ban it? sec. mcenany: you are focusing on one word at the very bottom of a tweet that is taken out of context and neglecting to complete rush to judgment -- jonathan: he said ratings are down because they banned the flag. that is what he said. sec. mcenany: the president was noting in aggregate, the men and women who are being demand, called racist, and being accused, and some venues, of committing a hate crime against

the individual, those allegations were just dead wrong. host: so, jonathan karl, what is going on there? guest: well, what is not going on there is the press secretary, in good faith, answering a question. you heard me asking a very civil question that i was only asking because the president himself had raised it with a tweet. so what is the president's position on nascar and confederate flag? because it sure looked like, in black and white on the president's twitter feed that he was saying it was a mistake to ban the flag, and it caused nascar's ratings to go down. i'm taking the president's words out of context, focusing on one word at the end of a tweet. all, it was not one word, and i was not taking anything out of context. i was asking a question. "what is the president's position on this?" you know, and then she went into an elaborate explanation for the

president's tweet that really bore very little resemblance to what was actually said in that tweet. andy press secretary as they are to answer questions, good and bad, you know, difficult questions, to give a semblance of truth of what is happening. you cannot just go in there and make things up because it sounds better for the president. and, to me, that is what is going on there, it is just one example. i did not even mention, steve, but as he played it again, it is actually -- it is frankly after allthat even the controversy generated by the president accusing bubba wallace somehow,behind a hoax he actually compares him to jussie smollett, who actually was involved in a hoax.

i mean, bubba wallace did not do anything. somebody on his team found a news operating as -- you know the story -- as a garage pull, and the fbi investigated, nascar investigated. bubba wallace -- there is no -- he did not do anything wrong, at all! and you have the spokesperson -- this is not a campaign person, this is not, you know, a political talking head on a cable tv show, this is the spokesperson for the president of the united states, for the executive branch of our government, to go out and suggest that bubba wallace is somehow equivalent to jussie smollett, um i, don't know, you littlet leaves me a speechless, to be honest. [laughs] host: midafternoon on tuesday, we received word that the president was going to have a rose garden press terry. we carried it live in its entirety on the network. he spoke for 54 minutes in an

opening statement and then took about nine guest: [laughs] host:? what was your reaction to that? guest: well, my reaction to that was i was sitting in the rose garden, watching a political rally come a political stump speech, and i have never seen that before. we often talk about a rose garden strategy for a president running for reelection. it usually means that the president, you know, does a series of official acts that will ultimately help him in reelection, because the people see that the president is out there, you know, doing work on behalf of the american people, but you don't usually see -- it is usually about avoiding the messiness of the campaign by being above it all and acting as president, but in this case, all the messiness of the campaign came right into the rose garden. i thought it was unusual. my back to the briefings, good friend george kahn's and i, and i know you know well, a reporter for national journal, a

historian for the white house and press relations, and just a really, you know, i think one of the true great reporters in washington, asked a very simple question that today about that speech, noting, saying -- is there any place at the white house that the president would not engage in politics? that he believes, you know, it's kind of sacrosanct, that he would not bring politics into it, and the press secretary george condon, that the hatch act protects the president. he did not say anything about the hatch act. and then wrapped it up by saying "you are just upset that the president gave such a great speech in the rose garden." [laughs] again, you cannot just say things because it upsets the president. i think it might have suppressed the following day, steve, when the president held the event on the south lawn, just, you know,

steps away from the rose garden, that featured a red pickup truck and a blue pickup truck with massive weights in the back and a big crane lifting the weights off the red pickup truck -- get it? [laughs] and the crane had a sign saying, "trumpet administration." it was this elaborate, again, political event on the white house grounds. presidentshing -- engage in politics, that is what it is, they are politicians, but you do not usually see such blatantly political events there on white house grounds, as you know, someone who has spent a lot of time at the white house. host: let's turn to your book, then we will get our viewer and listener calls, because you explain in great detail when you first met donald trump included a photograph and that a headline from the "new york host," where you were employed at the time come "inside michael jackson's honeymoon hideaway." explain. guest: well, i go way back with

donald trump. it is why i wrote this book. it has been an ordinary interaction, extraordinary relationship goes back 26 years now. that first meeting was in 1994. i was a young reporter for the "new york post." on the job just a number of months. rudy giuliani was the mayor, had just gotten elected, and michael jackson had just gotten married to elvis presley's daughter, lisa marie presley, in secret, and it was revealed that the new couple were actually saying -- was actually staying at trump tower, in new york, right there on fifth avenue. [laughs] [laughs] storywas an all-consuming in new york, as you can imagine. there were so many people can be and come of that went to trump tower to try to get a glimpse of these famous newlyweds. and michael jackson was at the absolute peak of his popularity. the police had to kind of put police tape all around and push

people to the other side of the block, camera crews, paparazzi, news organizations -- everybody was there. so i called up donald trump -- i did not know donald trump, and he definitely did not know me, but i just called the general number, and i eventually got him on the phone, and i said, "i want to do a story about why the most famous newlyweds on the planet decided to start their honeymoon at trump tower." [laughs] and he invited me over, and we spent an hour walking around trump tower. he showed me where they were staying, introduced me to their bodyguard, showed me the secret passageways where they could get outside on their own to get outside, showed me his own apartment. it was really a tour de force. i put that photograph in a box 20 years ago when i moved from washington to new york, and when donald trump that elected president, i went frantically trying to find it, and i found it in that box, and i look at

it, and i am just amazed at how little he has changed. in my memory of that incident, and i wrote -- you saw the headline in the "close," i wrote, like, five stories inside about what was transpiring. his approach to the media, his approach to, you know, promotion and self-promotion has not really changed, either. host: let's take your phone calls. mary is joining us from auburn, new >> good morning. andtch all of the briefings today you are acting so nice. why can't you say anything positive? you come on this show, and you cut this poor woman down. mediaves facts, which the does not like. .ou know i am right

why don't you stop this negative stuff? guest: i do appreciate the question. i have been in that briefing room under now 15 different press secretary secretaries. our job is to ask hard questions. i certainly did that in the last administration, if you just rewind the tape and just watch the questions i ask of barack obama upon press secretary's. we are not there to sit there and praise the president and talk about what a great job he is doing. we are there to report on what is happening. we report on successes and failures. i will say something nice, i think kelly is the most effective campaign spokesperson that trump has ever had. i think she comes into the room and she is well prepared. she is a very effective spokesperson for trump.

being soism is about heavily political and not always facts.ore to the facts are very important. we are there to report facts. that is what i do. i asked those questions. i do not shy away from asking tough questions of this iesident or spokesperson, and certainly did not shy away from asking tough questions of the s and theiresident spokespeople. that is our job, focused on the facts without fear and without favor. host: as you pointed out, stefan oneisham did not hold conference, but are you saying that the current press secretary is more effective than sarah sanders? guest: i think she is well

spoken and quick on her feet. certainly more effective at that then sean spicer. i think again that the briefings , as i outlined in the article, the reason why the different job is because you are the spokesperson for the executive branch of our government, somebody who gets paid by the taxpayers. you are somebody who the people rely on for information, not skewed by politics. it could be information in crisis pretty i have been in that room during some really weighty times, being in there in the aftermath of the boston marathon bombing, for instance. being there after terrorists france and london and

someg the rise of isis, very tense times where people lie on the information that they are getting from that person. they need to know it is not just about putting the president in the best light. it is about providing the american people with facts. i was in there during the ebola crisis, and now obviously under the current pandemic, the information that comes from that reliable. to be of course it will put the president in the best like. every stick terry does that -- every press secretary does that. host: joining us from boston from the democrat line, good morning. caller: good morning. the last question at her press

chanel,ce directed to which appears to give kelly the opportunity to vent about whatever the last course of the day is. i am surprised that nobody has reported on this, especially you guys. perhaps some comment on that. i'm not going to report people in that room, their strategy, but i understand the point. often seemns designed to give the press secretary to tea something up. seem to surprise the press secretary or the ,resident when he calls on them but i fully understand what the

caller is saying. --t: >> is the white house trashing the doctor and sending out research like memos to reporters, the president has gone off on anonymous sources in the past, why not have the guts to trash dr. fauci? >> i will refer you back, there researchingtion that, and we were ask a specific question, was the president noted that dr. fauci had made some mistakes and we provided a direct answer. >> hasn't the president suggested that he made mistakes? these notes tot reporters about what dr. fauci said in the past with your names on it?

it was sent out by a white house official. the president had said he does not trust anonymous sources, and you are sending out these notes to reporters anonymous ely. >> i would know in terms of the president and his record on the coronavirus, he stands by the steps he has taken. you have dr. fauci who said that the record of this president is impressive could i cannot imagine under any circumstance that anybody could be doing more and those are his words. we provided a direct response, and that is about it. to the notion that there is opposition research could not be further from the truth. dr. fauci and the president has always had a good working relationship. host: they talked on the first time in about two months, so jonathan, your reaction. the notion that there is could not besearch

further from the truth, again, you cannot just say it because it sounds better for the president. it has to be based in fact. the facts were that the white house press office, that jim acosta is 100% correct in what he asked. the white house press office put out information that they felt was critical of dr. fauci, a series of quotes, some of them taking out of context that amounted to opposition research. you also had just hours before aveeno, theg dansk deputy chief of staff for communications and one of the people in that white house that have been there since the beginning of the trump campaign, as close to trump as anybody in that white house, dan put on his facebook page a cartoon

ridiculing anthony fauci. you also had -- we did not know --the time, but peter novato peter navarro writing an op-ed that he submitted to usa today saying that dr. fauci had been wrong that he had dealt with him about. there was a lot going on in that onte house trying to take dr. fauci and question his credibility. theas not the furthest from truth. it was the truth. jim acosta asks pointed questions, and that was a pointed question. i think he had a good reason for asking it. -- it may was not have been putting it in the best light for the president, but it was not factual. host: jonathan's op-ed in the washington post is available

online and from his newest book "front row at the trump show" he writes the following, it is a reporter posture job to be skeptical of those in power. for all of the stonewalling i have encountered, did disregard for the truth that i witnessed at this white house is different. i have seen senior officials taking a cue directly from the president willing to just make things up. the president himself has waged a complaint to make people think the truth is a lie whenever he does not like the truth. this is an assault on truth itself. that is from the new book. john is on the phone from maryland. good morning. caller: first i wanted to say becomeou because i have addicted to c-span going back 30 plus years. factsalso wanted to say

do matter and your last guest, for example when he opens by saying the democratic party was for slavery and so forth, he could lead us towards the shifting of parties in a way that is useful if you are deceiving people for trickle purpose. your shows have focused on history, which is so important, in the same way when people talk about the flag, they have to be truthful about what it represents, meaning the confederate flag and how it was reintroduced as part of proactive supportive terrorism. when i heard of your book i was quite happy because i think facts matter. the last point on the concerns around the covid crisis, the president should do proper press conferences. you should have a chart that shows how many infections have occurred and how many people have died since the president

has done a proper press conference and hold him accountable for that and for the facts. thank you. guest: i think that is exactly right. you have to focus on the facts as a reporter regardless of whether the lead -- daily. i think context is important, and the historic context is important. pandemic, the a question of trustworthiness with the information you're getting is a matterte house of life and death. want to know how we should deal with this threat, a threat to our health, to the health of our loved ones. having that information, without

spin, not intended to frame things as good or bad for a political figure, but what is the information to help us protect ourselves, that is what matters. it is always important to be truthful and have a level of trust, but now we see truly what the consequences are of a lack of trustworthy information coming from officials. georgia, goodm morning. caller: i've have been watching your show, which i really like, but i listen to him, and he talks about facts. how many times have we heard bidens, the quid pro quo as far as what joe did for his son or the release of his money to get him off. also for three years we have

going after just, and in my opinion i ask all of the newspeople, has he ever done anything right? to me the man has done right under the pressure he has been under as far as getting attacked every day, kelly is the greatest one he has ever had because she stands up to people who are sharks and just want to destroy the man every second he wakes up. yet the bidens get off. they do not get asked any questions. i watch what is going on every time trump wakes up, i got to destroy him. yet the democratic party gets zero coverage for anything could we got a serious election coming up. guest: what is your name again?

caller: rick. guest: rick, i want to tell you in my book i address one of the points he made, the relentlessly negative tone of so much of the media coverage of trump since the day he walked into the white house. agree that the overall tone of the coverage has been one of every day, look at what he just did, look at this outrage. a lot of that, he has provided material to fuel that coverage. i do believe that it has obscured the fact that there have been real accomplishments of this administration. but iowledge that point, think it is incorrect to say bidens do not get looked at. i actually asked, the very first question asked about hunter

biden, i think before most people had any idea who he was, i asked about that in the white house at a briefing of jay carney right after he was named to the board. i said isn't this at the very least a conflict of interest? sonave the vice president's getting paid by this ukrainian energy company at the time when not only was the vice president dealing with foreign policy questions, but he was the point person on ukraine. i think that was legitimate. that is why i asked about it. a point on ao have lot of the coverage, so totally negative, you cannot distinguish what a real story is and what a trivial thing is. reporters asking

tough questions and do investigative reporting on political figures, certainly candidates for president regardless of party. host: every administration has been trying to go after those who leak stories that are negative towards the president, but does this administration leak more than previous administrations? mark meadows is trying to figure out who is doing that. aret: yes, the leaks different than anything we have ever seen. there are different kinds. there are leaks that are less important about fighting between various factions in the white house, people turning to undermine others pretty see a remarkable amount of that in this white house, but there have been leaks that have been damaging to the president. i have a chapter on this. this is a president that has

seen transcripts of his phone conversations with leaders leaked, entire transcripts in newspapers. that is an extra neighbor each -- breach. i think he had a right to be outrage. a president should be able to have a conversation with world leaders without thinking that the entire conversation will be splashed on the pages of the washington post. been of the leaking have coming from the president's top aides. who knows where they came from? the president himself is somebody who is known, i can tell you from experience, to pick up the phone and talk to reporters. it is qualitatively different. this is a very leaky white house , and every chief of staff, now

everyber four, i believe, chief of staff is determined to stop the leaks. none has been successful. host: the president on twitter this sunday, make america great into thed also looking situation in portland saying we are trying to help portland not hurt it. their leadership has lost control of the agitators. they are missing in action. we must protect property and people. these are not merely protesters. they are the real deal. rico is next. good morning. news,: i watch all of the and i understand a lot of people , presss is slanted conferences, speeches, news

events, particulate with this andident, i've seen cnn msnbc, they will say we will break away and we will monitor this and let you know if anything important comes up. i have even seen fox do it occasionally. i want to know what your and whatare about this you are going to do about it to make sure that the american people get to see and decide for themselves what is important. host: and c-span carries all of these in their entirety without interruption. that: i was going to make point. if you want to watch the remarks in their entirety, you will be able to do that. c-span is right here. the the white house on twitter feed puts out a lot of the stuff completely unedited. eight news channel is not there to simply be a conveyor belt for

white house statements. it is entirely appropriate for a news channel to say we will monitor and see what news came out of it and bring you the news. i do not think there's anything wrong with that. if you want to see the full remarks, you got c-span. host: you mentioned at the end as we know the press secretary had a parting comment. probably 12ed questions about the confederate flag. this president focused on action. i am dismayed that i did not receive one question on the deaths in the country this weekend. not one question about new york , not onetings doubling question that i did not receive one question about five children killed, and i will leave you with this remark, one dad of an

eight-year-old lost in atlanta, they say black lives matter. you killed a child. she did not do nothing to nobody . we need to be focused on securing streets, making sure no lives are lost because all black lives matter. thank you. host: then she walked off the podium. you've been saying that quite often lately. what is she trying to say, she is trying to suggest that the reporters in the room do not care about people getting murdered on the streets of new york. it was a short briefing, about 22 minutes long. the only reason why the confederate flag was brought up was because the president brought it up. they wereeason several questions, not 12, by the way, but because the question was not being answered so reporters were following up, which is important. furthermore, regarding the

thatings in new york city, would be a serious issue, and if i was at a new york city conference, i probably would be leading with that. it was not as if the president had put out any new initiative dealing with crime in new york. we are there to report on the activities of the president. by the way, if that press conference had gone on longer than 22 minutes, including the opening and closing, you seen've seen, may have questions. if she wanted to bring up new york, she could have. if you listen after the walk off, you hear one of my colleagues saying, can you stick around, we will ask you right now about new york. but, no, you have to have that walk off, and lectured the press and walk out. next, gooda is morning. caller: good morning.

it is nice to see you. i have enjoyed you for many show.on your is i am veryint upset, number one, c-span has not covered anything on what is going on in seattle. i have watched every single morning. it just dismayed me that there was no coverage on what is going on up there. secondly, jim acosta is a hostile reporter and he takes everything he can out of context for the one thing that really ofs me is that business trump told people to inject themselves with whatever. he never meant that. we all know what he meant. scientists show there are antibiotics that work just like

disinfectants in the body that is really disturbing. every single day for three hours isc-span we listen to he incompetent, he has done this and that. see a guest on who is positive. there are a lot of things wrong in this country one of the things that really needs to change is the attitude of the black community must take some responsibility for the positions they are in. host: we appreciate the call. i think jim acosta is a good reporter, a tough reporter. he asks questions to get under the skin of a press secretary he did thatent, and under the obama administration. injecting, i the

do know if jim said anything about that, but i was in the briefing when the president did bring up the idea of having this effect that's used inside the body. he did not say inject it it was an odd moment. he also said somehow putting uv light inside the body and asked if it could be researched. something happened there. i agree with you, if somebody said the president told people to inject disinfectants, that is not what he said. he implied something along those lines. the chief white house correspondent for abc news, his new book "front row at the trump show" and before we let you go, a quick question about what we can expect this week, the house and senate back in session, and the president and his team part of the negotiations. what is going to happen? isst: i think there

significant incentive for both sides to get something done, but they are far apart. the interesting wrinkle that we that in what is the republicans propose, the white house is trying to strip away money for coronavirus testing which seems to be kind of an odd move paid my sense is that republicans will not go along with that. it is a huge issue. this crisis is clearly going to .e going on for some time i think both sides will want to show that sites will want to do something to help people who have been hit very hard, both in terms of the fear of the health and, but obviously the peer of the impact.

it is great to be on. , your work with the incredible grace, and you are always fair and always balanced, and i think you are a model. thank you for having me on. host: we turn our attention to the reelection of the president in poland, what it means for nato and the future of europe as the washington journal continues on this sunday morning. order your copy today,

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