covered every minute of every political and weion since 1984, are not stopping now. the political convention will be like none other in history. with the coronavirus pandemic still booming, plans for gatherings are being altered. the democrats will meet to ofinate joe biden the week august 17. president trump will accept his party's nomination the following week. watch c-span for live coverage starting monday, august 17, and the republican convention starting monday, august 24. live streaming and on demand at c-span.org, or listen with the free c-span radio app. lipson -- your unfiltered view of politics. joining us now is aaron thes, editor at large of

19th. 19th news.org is the upside. a first time guest, welcome to washington journal. guest: thank you so much for having me. i am so happy to be here. host: thank you for watching. we look forward to hearing about your new organization. tell us about the 19th. how did it get started? what is the mission? just: the 19th began before the iowa caucuses. the idea was born about four years ago right after the 2016 elections. had anraham shaw election where we saw in juice -- issues of gender on full display. nomination and yet the narrative around gender was -- with that election were the same as they have been for so many cycles. questions around electability, likability. four years later, we started to

see, even with six women and a certain number of women running for president, the same narratives and tropes again. factoring their way into the election cycle. emily felt an urgent need to create a newsroom where women were discussed, not just as a special interest group but as the majority of the electorate and as a growing number of the folks who are represented in our government. so, she and our publisher, amanda, launched on trying to make this vision we'll -- real. a year later, here we are. host: how are you folks funded and how many people are working with you? guest: in the midst of a pandemic, our newsroom has grown so much since january. we officially launched one week ago today. with a staff of nearly two dozen. we have a mix of funders. whoave private donors

support us. we are a nonprofit business model. donate have members who as little as $19, who are very much a part of our support. we also have corporate sponsorship. put the phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for our guest and we look forward to hearing from you. tell us a little bit about your background. where were you and what were you doing before the 19th? guest: actually, i have been in journalism. for a couple of decades. at a training program, actually. with the tribune company of the los angeles times. i was a minority training fellow. that was when i began to write about issues of race. i did that as an intern at a

small black paper in atlanta, which is my hometown, the atlanta daily world. for much of my career, i have been focused on issues of race. -- an area ofing interest i have had for the entire time i have been a journalist. in atlanta, a lot of that was reflecting on the legacy of the civil rights movement. the gains of that era. i focus on the lack electorate and historically black colleges, the professional black middle class. and then i started covering politics in 2008 with the historic election of barack obama. i covered the georgia legislature, the virginia legislature for the washington post. i came to philadelphia about five years ago, which is my new adopted hometown which i love so much. hello to everybody out there who islls philadelphia home or from philadelphia. ira about urban affairs in philadelphia as well and then -- i wrote about urban affairs in

philadelphia as well and then got the job i wanted. i became a national writer on race in america. a huge platform, tremendously humbling. the covered everything from emerging black lives matter movement to, you know, the so-called post-racial america to the hyper racial moment in this country i think we now find ourselves. i did that until january, which i like to tell people is my new dream job. i get to lean fully into my experience as a black woman and bring that to the journalism are i am doing, where we building the culture that frankly a lot of us wish we had had a lot earlier in our careers. host: our guest is editor at large of the 19th. errin haines, we noticed 19

news.org, the number 19 has an actually askedrisk. what is the purpose of that? guest: as we prepare to celebrate the centennial of woman suffrage, which is august 18, we are very excited about that anniversary. we have a newsroom that his named for the 19th amendment, which ratified suffrage for some women but not all women. the asterisk is an acknowledgment of the black women who were frankly excluded from full access and had to fight trice -- twice as hard for their rights. before we get to calls for theguest at the 19th, outsized importance of joe biden's vice presidential pick, appease here says there is a feeling that this woman has to be the woman that gets it across the finish line. otherwise, the story is that a woman could not get it done again. tell us why you wrote this.

went into 2020we feeling like this was going to be the most consequential election that we have ever covered. and yet that has taken on a greater sense of urgency with , coronavirus and racism. the vice presidency is a role we have seen expanding in recent cycles, and given the challenges the country faces, feels like a role that is going to be even more important than it usually is. people paying more attention, and not just those of us in the media class. certainly a lot of voters i talked to, especially women that i talked to, as a became apparent that none of the six women running for president were going to be nominee, they set their sights on a number two thought and wanting a woman to be a nominee. joe biden said he would put a

woman on the ticket as his running mate which is fueled so much of the speculation we have seen over the past few months. he is expected to make a decision. that could happen as soon as this week. a decision and an announcement are not necessarily happening at the same time. two things are happening this year. joe biden is running for president of the third time. for the third time, it will be a as vice the ticket president. as much as we make of the fact that there has never been a woman president, there has never been a woman vice president either. there has never been a woman of color nominated for vice president. this is a really consequential moment that prevented -- presents both the opportunity to make history and defeat president trump, which is a lot of -- what a lot of democratic voters, especially women were telling me on the campaign trail. host: a look at the electorate, forall 54% of women voted hillary clinton, 41% for donald

trump. white women with a college degree, 51% clinton, 44% trump. white women with no college degree, 34 percent for clinton. 61% for trump. black women with a college degree, 92% for clinton, and black women with no college degree, 95% for clinton. clearly black females voting largely for hillary clinton. take us to 2020. do you see those numbers changing much during the cycle? guest: i think it is an open question for white women. i will tell you the black women i have spoken to on the campaign trail, particularly in south carolina and other southern states are absolutely galvanized with the idea that they want donald trump out of office. just said, did not support him in 2016 and do not plan to support him in any large numbers in 2020. i think that we can expect to

see that. this is what black women do in elections. they turn out in huge numbers. they are the democratic party's most loyal and consistent voters. they are the ones who, frankly, were responsible for joe biden becoming the presumptive nominee weeks ahead of schedule. showing up in record numbers in some of these primaries that were happening in the midst of a pandemic. we at the 19th news are reporting on white women, especially the conservative women who support president trump in 2020, to see if they plan on re-upping that support in 2020. we are hearing from some that they are still committed to this president. despite some of the frederick around -- rhetoric around race and some of the other issues that have been divisive, they are still with him. they believe the economy will

maybe turn around as he says in the midst of the pandemic and are trying to kind of wrestle with a lot of what they have seen over the past four years. president trump came into office in 2016, a lot of people were taking a wait-and-see approach. it that they have seen that is something of concern to some white women voters, especially suburban women voters. i think particularly amid this national reckoning on race where i think a lot of americans, particularly white americans are asking themselves who and what it means to be a citizen right now in this country. host: first call for our guest, errin haines at the 19th. we have calvin from clearfield, pennsylvania. democratic caller. good morning, calvin. caller: good morning. guest: hi, calvin. caller: i have a question for you.

people think joe biden, as far as running for buys preston, -- vice president, how many will he put on vice president for the democrat at baller for the november election? women for vice president, would he take maybe three to four women or will it be five? be about hime odds picking more than three women for vice president on the democratic ballot for the election? if i'm hearing you're right, i think you're asking about the vice president, who he is going to pick to be his vice president. which is, again, a decision that we could get as soon as this week. the democratic national convention starts next week.

the expectation was that there will be a vice presidential nominee by then. it is still, it seems to be up in the air in terms of who that woman will be. there are several women of color, several black women on that list. and the core has gotten louder, which is why i mentioned for a black woman to be on the ticket with joe biden, the party feeling diversity is important, especially during the national reckoning on race. but also because coronavirus is disproportionately affecting communities of color. in thinking about somebody who would be ready to govern on day one, a lot of people are telling me that they believe a black ofan, both because experience and because of the impeccable resumes of so many would be this list,

the best thing joe biden could do, not just from a governing standpoint but also to galvanize black women in the way that he would need to defeat president trump in november. host: is there a stand out among those women in your view? i should have asked, does the 19th have an editorial? i don't editorialize. we don't do that. we prefer to appeal to our membership with the facts. host: got it. let's hear from janice omma democratic caller, good morning. -- janice, democratic caller. good morning. 60 nine euros black woman. this is what trump wants. theou put a black woman on ballot with joe biden, we are going to lose. we need someone who is qualified. elizabeth warren is qualified to take on the task if anything happens to biden. think about it. people,h warren has the

ople tornie sanders' pe help joe biden. we need a person that is qualified. a woman, yes. warren fitsrman -- that ticket. i see the black women up there but they are not as qualified as elizabeth warren. me ask you, what would elizabeth warren bring to the ticket that kamala harris would not or susan rice would not? perhaps val demings or karen bass, some of the names of african-american women out there, what can you see particularly different about her and them? caller: are you asking me? host: yes. caller: this is what i am seeing. deep in our heart, elizabeth warren is a fighter. she is a fighter for all races.

she is a fighter for the underdog. she has been there. those women that you just named, he just named, i love them all but they are not qualified. we need someone on that ticket that is going to bring all races together. she is the one qualified. host: thank you for calling. errin haines, strong for lisbeth warren. guest: listen, paul. let me tell you. janice is something -- articulate and something i have heard from black women voters. polling has indicated that while there is not necessarily consensus around which black woman, for those who say they want a black woman, the range varies as far as which black woman they would want. in terms of the white woman that black women voters would become to what with, resoundingly that woman is lisbeth warren. on the campaign trail, i heard over and over again from black women voters who were open to a lisbeth warren from a heart -- elizabeth warren from a heart

standpoint as opposed to a head standpoint. they felt like joe biden was in the best position to defeat donald trump but elizabeth warren had ideas that resonated with them. they hurt her on the campaign trail, talking about systemic -- heard her on the campaign trail, talking about systemic racism. so, this is somebody who, despite being a white woman, they feel like she is somebody who would use her privilege to govern on behalf of black women. host: errin haines, i meant to do what do you make or what you think is next following the 's signing of the executive orders dealing with covid-19 relief. ? what do you think is next? caller: i will look for how -- guest: i will look for how this pandemic continues to affect

people of color. we saw racial and gender disparities laid bare, even from the beginning of this pandemic, both from a public health standpoint and an economic standpoint. i think the same is true as the country is beginning to reopen, in terms of who can go back to school. who can go back to work and who is unemployed. whois housing insecure and is food insecure. i think that we do have to keep all of those things on the radar. what i am hearing from voters is that the pandemic is absolutely political. whichf the ways in peoples elected officials from the federal government down are responding to this pandemic is going to have an impact on the ballot box, i believe. host: let's hear from barbara in michigan, on the republican line. guest: hey, barbara. caller: hi. i almost want to vote democratic .

my first statement is the coronavirus information changes day by day because of the science. day, uponnge every discovery. there was someone who called and said i am a black woman and i can't own a business and i can't do this. i mean, you look pretty profitable to me. you have 2000 workers from the .hole coronavirus campaign i do agree with janice. actually --k they it actually has to be a black woman. that is the racist thing i have ever seen black people do.

want to gete don't the $400, how many black women do you think will not ask for it ?nd take it or black or white men or white women that won't take the money and apply for it? they know the system. they know how to work it. i saw you smile. matter?, black lives television black , not antifag stores , just a black woman looting stores for purses? tit probably won't even fit

them. barbara, calling there. errin haines, she left a lot on the table to respond to. why don't you go ahead? guest: what i would first say is to remind people that the unrest you have seen in cities across the country has been overwhelmingly peaceful as people are trying to raise awareness about the very real issues of racial disparity and policing in communities of color. that have been put back on the radar, even in the midst of the pandemic, around the death of george floyd, breonna taylor and ahmaud arbery. there lootings and destruction of property? yes, there was some of that. overwhelmingly, in cities across this country, we have seen the largest peaceful protest in the history of america and sustained over this summer, as people are withy just kind of dealing

the open scar that has been new in the midst of this pandemic. that is the first thing i would say. thinkly, you know, i um, folks folks who, who are wondering why a black woman on the vice presidential , certainly the people i've talked to on the democratic party have been for quite some time. what they say to me is that they have long been the architects of progress in this country, using their vote to move the country forward, not just for themselves or their community or their race but for everyone. and that they often don't get the same return on their investment, if you will. so, really, joe biden choosing a

black woman as his running mate would be a signal that he recognizes the contribution of black women and that he values not just their output but their input. host: errin haines, let me show missouri cori bush in on the night of her victory, discussing the view of change needed in washington, d.c. incumbented longtime lacy clay. here is a look. as we face down unprecedented crises from covid-19 to police brutality to auto patrol climate change and we have decided how to move forward. well, tonight, missouri first has decided that it's incremental approach is not going to work any longer. we decided that we were not going to wait any longer for change that is not actually

coming. so, we decided that we the people have the answers and we would lead from the front lines. so i say thank you for standing with me. host: errin haines, first tell us more about cori bush. we know she is an activist. tell us more about her as she springs onto the scene and what is the significance of her victory in missouri? sig. gives. a few cori bush is a pastor and a nurse who was an activist in 2014 in ferguson and has continued that activism work and which,tory on tuesday, given the way the lines are then, makes her representative from missouri is the latest victory for the black lives matter movement from a politics standpoint. that movementen kind of evolved from protests to

talking politics and policy. especially in missouri. ferguson just got its first black woman mayor ever this year, this cycle. so, i think that what she represents is part of that evolution. we have seen prosecutors across with antry being elected black lives matter agenda in mind in places like philadelphia, where i now live. in chicago, they got rid of a prosecutor who was involved in andlaquan mcdonald case subsequent cover-up. message hasow, my gone the mayor of ferguson. this is the first time it is going from the streets of protest to the halls of congress.

after she -- she ousted a 10 term congressman who comes from a dynasty in that state. it is a huge deal in that state but also in black politics and also the black lives matter movement. host: we have brenda on the line from georgia, independent color. hey, brenda. caller: how are you doing and thank you for having me? . i want to address the last caller, what she was saying about the black women looting the stores and all of that. no, yes, some of that is true. i have seen white people running out of the stores too, white women and they are outsiders. let me address the black woman

on the ticket. i am up black woman. heart,ing honest from my because black women sitting back are holding back and they don't want to tell the truth. if we want to get donald trump be af office, it shouldn't black woman on there, i am not saying the black woman he has are qualified because they are. but let's tell the truth. the white men aren't going to vote for them. they will sit back. arewhite suburbans, they thinking. they will probably stay at home. we have to get trump out of office. i am not looking at well, it is a black woman or white woman -- whether it is a black woman or a white woman on the ticket. praying biden sticks through it all the way eight years. we have to be realistic, also. cuomo from new york

would make a better vice president for us to be donald trump. ok? they could put a black woman as secretary of state and all the other cabinet positions. let's be honest. i am telling you, people are nervous. if he puts up black woman on the ticket right now, ok, he is nervous. people are nervous. we need to get trump out of office. that is period. office,n get him out of get them out of office. let's be honest. i just don't think were going to beat him if he has a black woman on the ticket. host: thank you for calling. guest: thank you for that. that questionsnk of electability are resurfacing, frankly with the veep conversation and race and gender

factor into those questions of electability. our premise at the 19th is what makes somebody electable is if they get elected. sayblack women i hear from to me that they plan to vote for joe biden, regardless of who is on the ticket, frankly because they want donald trump out of office. but a vice presidential running mate who can galvanize the electorate is also something that is important to them and a lot of them do see that person as being a black woman. biden also say that joe did commit to picking a woman, miss brenda. so, whoever is running mate is, i don't think andrew cuomo qualifies or is going to be on the ticket with him when he announces whoever he announces. host: errin haines, i wanted to get your take on joe biden having to backtrack a comment made in recent days added in pr

interview. he was contrasting diversely between the black and latino communities, suggesting african-american communities -- the african-american committee is not diverse compared to hispanics. what was he saying or trying to say here? and what is the follow-up, if any to all of this? out, if any to all of this? during the came national association of black to the national association of hispanic journalist convocation. that happened this week. the in a bj is celebrating its abj's cell running its 45th -- celebrating its 45th. what joe biden was trying to say is latinos in this country, whether we are talking about

cubans or folks from central south america, what have you, ,aying they are different isinos is an umbrella that married geographically -- that varies geographically. as opposed to african americans many of whom feel that they have a shared cultural experience, and also tend to vote overwhelmingly democratic. voted intinos 2016 for donald trump. he was trying to make that contrast, did not do the best job of it and got some backlash on social media and the campaign circle back and he had to say he was not trying to imply that the

black community is not diverse because it certainly is. we certainly say in our that black voters are not a monolith. he took the point, responded to it. it was certainly a moment that raised some eyebrows. news.org, a 19th story with kamala harris, black women insist that biden write us into history. interviews with adoption -- a dozen strategists revealed that voters believe selecting a black woman to be vice president is a requirement and not a recommendation. contrast that to some of the callers we got in the last 10 to 15 minutes. guest: thank you for giving me my bow to fix. i missed the campaign so much. hearing from folks who are voters or potential voters are in the -- or are not

process is so critical. this has been part of an evolving conversation i have been watching unfold. from the time joe biden said he was going to pick a woman, i was hearing from folks in the activist community, saying he should pick a woman of color. he should pick a black woman. and then the list emerged of who some of those people were on the list. he haswere saying well, several black women who have the that fit thee role, why not pick a black woman is where they are now. the demographics of our country and with the demographics of our party being where they are, that you would have an all-white or all-male ticket does not reflect

the contributions of the base of the democratic party. black women in particular. so, i think that that really is how you have so many of the folks that i have talked to kind of saying that this is no longer a maybe for them. this is a must for them. happent if this does not , while they still plan on voting for joe biden, black women never go to the polls alone. they take their church, their summer already, their salon -- ity, their salon, so many institutions that are the cornerstone of the black amenity. black women are able to galvanize in their election cycle. for them to put this election on their back in the way that they could and have done in previous cycles, i think that they are looking to see something different. they are looking for him to potentially make history and at a black woman to the ticket. host: a little more than 20

minutes left with our guest, patty from harrisburg, pennsylvania on the line. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: i am registered democrat because i have to vote for one or the other. i support biden. i wish he had specified who the vice president would be. and the fall efficiency is -- qualifications he is looking for. trump has done so much damage to this country. [indiscernible]

i think she would have been a great vice president. for: patty, thank you calling. it is interesting. i think because joe biden became the presumptive nominee as early as he did, we had a lot of time to think about this whole question about who should be the vice president. a lot of people wanted him to name somebody fairly quickly after he became -- it became obvious he was going to become the nominee. that heere surprised said as early as he did that he was going to pick a woman. usually, yes, candidates say that kind of thing as a surprise in the announcements. was a think for him, it

recommendation of the majority of the electorate. the other thing is, i would say that as it became apparent that it would be a contest between two white men in their 70's, that was not something that was very appetizing to a lot of the base of the democratic party, despite having a historic six women running for president this cycle and the most diverse field of democratic candidates that the party has ever seen. host: betty, calling from virginia beach. betty you are on the line with errin haines. good morning to you. caller: good morning. i see you all the time on morning show. i would not normally say my race but i am white and i am saying it for a reason. if i am wrong, you can correct me, a black woman called in and she stated that she was black

and that she was for elizabeth warren. i cannot stand it was with warren. i want kamala harris, hands down. and i am hoping and praying that that is who he is going to pick. i like susan rice but susan rice, i think there will be times that they bring up benghazi. i would love to see kamala harris. if i am mispronouncing her name, i apologize for that. susan rice can be secretary of state or secretary of defense. i hope he does pick her for one of those. kamala harris, maybe it should not be like this, has a lot of things i call a plus. first of all, she is so sharp. racepresident obama, mixed , not black and white but black and asian. also, she happens to be married

to a jewish man. i am jewish too. i'm not religious. that is not even why i want kamala harris. reasons,ll of those all of those are positives. i don't know if anybody cares who she is married to. there is so much anti-semitism out here to nibble. i don't know -- out here too. i don't know if people would go against her because she happens to be married to a jewish man. hopefully not. she is so sharp. i have hurt her so many times. i listened to the cavanaugh hearings. she was so sharp on questioning him. she was sharp unquestioning bill barr. trump, i't get rid of will have a nervous breakdown. her faxd she have right, first of all on the

senator's background? guest: yes. ofala harris is the daughter a jamaican american and an indian american mother. turnley --ks, she certainly talked about the influence her mom had on her life. on the campaign trail, she was the only black woman running for president this cycle. and really was somebody who was presumed to be a front runner when she announced her campaign about -- a little more than 1.5 years ago now. that came with a lot of the baggage and not many of the benefits that come with the front runner status. a lot of that did have to do with her race and her gender. senator harris is also somebody who really has either been at or list,he top of the

depending on where your reporting is. the reporting i have been doing has shown her at the top of the list for most of the time the conversation has been happening. as we get in the home stretch, that remains to be true. susan rice, somebody who emerged at the midway point of this her foreign, for policy credentials but also starting to talk about the idea of racism as a homeland security .ssue that is something she would have some knowledge of. even if she has never run for office, she is somebody who could bring governing experience that joe biden might need in a partner. karen bass, also somebody who has come up very recently as a who could workdy well with the vice president, they have a relationship

obviously from their time in congress. of thethe chair congressional black caucus. she is also somebody who is seen as being pie partisan, -- bipartisan, who can work with republicans. joe biden as indicated before that bipartisanship is something that matters to him. thaty looking for relationship he is talking about, the kind of dynamic -- not reppo the dynamic with obama but -- replicating the dynamic with obama looking for a true partner. trying to find out which of these women might have that dynamic with is where he is owing into the home stretch. haines is the editor at large of the 19th. 77% of women hold jobs that require close personal contact. those jobs account for positions

that cannot be easily done remotely like food service, health care, personal service, speak to that particular these but more broadly about your approach at the 19th to coronavirus coverage. how are you looking at this pandemic from a news standpoint? guest: you know how the , among the things it the campaign trail, which vanished beneath our feet by mid-march. and while this was not necessarily the start we thought we would have as a newsroom, that was focused on this huge election this year, i think we realized fairly quickly that women were being disproportionately impacted by the pandemic. in almost every area except death. line are your front workers in sony cases. so many of the essential workers that we -- in so many cases.

so many of the essential workers we think of our women. the front lines of the sandwich generation, taking care of children while trying to navigate issues of taking care of maybe elderly loved ones, trying to figure that out. the work from home, especially with children challenge is something we hear from women over and over again. as women are being called back into the workplace, trying to figure out how to do that, their child's school district is not ready to reopen or it is only open in a hybrid situation. most people's jobs are not hybrid. how do you straddle that? women,health issues for who we know are feeling a disproportionate impact of that. domestic violence being on the rise for women in the midst of a pandemic. over and over again, we saw that there was a need for us to report on these issues as a

newsroom that cares about women in policy. not just that but that these issues are affecting the majority of the electorate. in the middle of a pandemic, we are still seeing so many women headed to the polls. we also feel an obligation to make sure that those women are informed about how they can safely participate in this democracy in the middle of a pandemic as well. host: does the 19th have a correspondent in washington, d.c.? a women inave congress reporter and a woman in health care reporter in washington. host: let's go to wanita. caller: hello and thank you for taking my call. something that has been on my because i think , who did notlin appear to be qualified to take over the presidency, i think she

cost john mccain the election. her candidacy cost john mccain the election. therefore, i think we need someone who is really strong. it was with warren, kamala harris i believe are strong women. -- elizabeth warren and kamala harris, i believe are strong women. we need someone who could take over running the country on short notice. i mentioned this because our friend of mine who saw joe biden on television last week said he appears to her to have become more frail, especially in his cognitive abilities. age, 77, weis definitely need someone who is strong enough to take over the presidency at a moments notice. i believe that that is the kind of person that will help joe biden win the election. host: thank you for calling, errin haines.

guest: she does articulate really is known but is not always acknowledged publicly. that is the fact that joe biden's age is a concern for some voters. and it also factors into who those voters would like to see as a running mate. they are thinking maybe somebody who is younger should join him on the ticket, because that might be a person who will need to take over or should be prepared to take over on day one, given the reality of joe biden's age. i will also say that recent polling has shown a plurality of support for a black woman vp that also includes white women who are open to this prospect. which i think is really interesting and i don't know how

that is factoring into the vice president's decision. pick whodon't get to he will pick as his vice president. voters don't get to pick that person. that is joe biden's decision alone. say that that is something that voters seem to be open to when polled about that question in particular. host: you mentioned white women at the 19th news.org. amanda beckett has the story at your website. our white women finally waking up? amid nationwide protests, white women are reckoned isn't -- reckoning with racism. guest: amanda becker has been why identityork on and how that is affecting the politics of white women. this is a newsroom where we are centering women. that does not mean we are celebrating women. we are interrogating what it means to be a woman in this

democracy and how all women are engaging or not engaging in our politics. reckoning on race, what has been so interesting about this moment and what has made people think we might be in a different moment in terms of talking about race in america is the fact that you do see so many white people on the streets in solidarity with black folks around the issue of black lives matter. so, you have white folks, including white women, again, thinking about what it means to be a white person in america. some of those people thinking about that question for the first time. amanda's excellent reporting in kind of lures them at the beginning of that journey. that, at the start of especially for many white folks who are becoming aware or more of systemic issues

racism that frankly black americans have been trying to raise for a long time in this country. tina, in's hear from alexandria, virginia, just outside of the sea republican, welcome. d.c., republican, welcome. caller: i just called to say that we are in a high peak racist climate. clearly this country is not ready for a person of color to be our vice president because the president has promoted and still does promote racism. really -- i want understand, i am african-american myself and i support all of the others who said -- and i to double believe elizabeth warren is the best candidate. the country is not ready for an

african-american vp. it is not because i don't promote my race of people, it is not that. you have to look at the facts. the truth. the truth is this country is not ready for a woman of color, whether she is african-american, black or whoever she is. host: let me jump in. i think you have said ready three or four times. what do you mean by ready and tot makes a country ready elect an african-american for vice president? caller: the president has promoted so much racism in our country. he has put to double much racism -- too much racism in our system and the country is not ready for it. host: errin haines, and a to that? guest: what tina says is so interesting.

so, we know that hillary clinton in 2016 was a democrat who had the second-highest number of votes that any presidential candidate has gotten in that party behind barack obama. the question of whether a woman can win, yes, we know she did not win the electoral college, she won the popular vote. , as an answer question. what i was hearing over and over again was that it's not that i wouldn't vote for a woman, it's that i don't know if my neighbor would. i would support it but i don't think the country is ready. that is the conversation coming up again around race, when we are talking about this, is the country ready for a black woman to be on the ticket as vice president? it is something that is

interesting to see as we head into november, what voters attitudes are about that. i think we need to hear from voters about joe biden's pick, whenever it happens, to see if it is something that motivates them, turns them off or if they are in different to the person who is the number two on that ticket. usually the role of the vice president on the campaign is to do no harm. what some folks are saying is that it could potentially be harmful, not because that woman is not qualified or capable but because of the racial climate that we find ourselves in, woulding if that person be somebody that could be seen as a liability, although the nominee,idential really is the reason a candidate loses. if they win, the vice presidential candidate gets none of the credit, if they lose, they get all of the blame.

host: let's get one more collar, david from georgia. caller: i have three quick points. these will be things you have never heard in a sentence before. guest: [laughter] caller: the conservatives, we know they just live. trump has -- fly. -- lie. trump has over 30,000 lies. abortion, if you look at sb 12017, you will get the broke back mountain boys doing nothing but attacking women. on abortion, the question is who causes abortion? i will let you answer that. this rupert murdoch style of conservative government coming is extreme news and they are selling it here. they took the guns away from australia. that is the most conservative party there is in a democracy

and twice they have taken the guns away from their people. on the third, next time you are on in mess nbc -- msnbc, talk with george reed about -- joy id. mccain bought it from steel when trump started running for office and just lay there and he found out about it. these are the three biggest lies that have run up and down our party. address those three things. host: thanks for calling. we are down to about 30 seconds or so. you can respond to anything you want to say or talk about what the 19th will be reporting on or looking on beyond the vice presidential picks, looking toward the general election. guest: we will have and i the ongoing pandemic and especially

with women how they are responding to coronavirus, the economy and racism. i would encourage everybody watching, our virtual summit is kicking off tomorrow. we have a stellar lineup of people, hillary clinton to melinda gates to kamala harris, meghan markle will interview our ceo. we will be tackling issues of celebrating the suffered centennial. you can go to summit. 19 news.org. register for all five days on that site. our news, journalism is at 19th news.org. we encourage you to go there, read the journalism, sign-up for our newsletter. host: errin haines is editor at large of the 19th. first-time visitor. guest: hopefully not the last call. host: we

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