and before the convention's evening session, watch c-span at 6:00 p.m. eastern for past convention speeches by prominent politicians -- senator howard baker, former secretary of state, colin powell, and former secretary of state, condoleezza rice. watch past convention speeches at the start of the republican national convention monday, only on c-span, your unfiltered view of politics. >> joining us from charlottesville, virginia, the director of the center for politics at the university of virginia. and give for being with us. -- thank you for being with us. us. let's talk about the democratic convention, and based on real , and newstics organizations, no immediate

balance for the former vice president and the democrats to be ahead in the polls, but not a convention balance. does that surprise you? guest: not really. i did not think there would be much of a convention balance, and i did nothing there will be much for president trump, either. two reasons why. biden, i think, is maxed out. this is a very polarized era, and you have a candidate ahead by 8, 8 .5, nine points pulling right now suggests that that that particular candidate, that is biden, has maxed out. he is not going to go any higher. we do not have a capacity for a landslide anymore. in a landslide, you have lots of other people from the other side coming over to vote for you. we are to polarize for that. democrats are not going to vote for trump, and republicans are not going to vote provided, other than an elite handful, which you see a lot. they write letters, and they write petition, and they are well-known people who appear on sunday shows, but they don't

command hundreds of thousands or millions of votes -- nothing close to it. and the other reason, steve, is simply because in this particular race, with these virtual conventions, virtual conventions are not real conventions. they do not convey excitement. i know you have been to tons of them. i started in 1976, with both parties, and have consistently gone. this is the first year i've not gone to a convention -- but there is no convention to go to. the emotion is not the same. it is a tv series. that is what the democrats had. that is what the republicans are going to. have this coming week so you do not have the same kind of emotional reaction among the audience. host: the other big story this fall, control of congress. based on your site, looking at some of the top senate races,

and you pointed three in particular -- iowa, north carolina, and maine, three states in which republicans hold that seat. guest: yes. conteare very close sts, if they went to the democrats. you have those and i will, maine, and north carolina defeated, that i think senator control. remember, you never know. what seems certain, as we approach labor day, is not necessarily certain by the beginning of november. host: let me ask you about south carolina. a lot of attention was senator graham, the republican, facing a challenge. some say it is now moving to lean republican versus solid republican. and, boy, there is not a more solid republican state van south carolina. guest: yes, and the democrat,

jamie harrison, has been a strong candidate, has done the right thing. mainly, lindsey graham, a longtime republican from south carolina, has been weakened in many ways. to 2016, he said donald trump was the third cousin of the devil. now he says he is the greatest thing since string cheese. i do not think donald trump has changed all that much. there was something about the way graham approached donald trump and the dilemma democrats had in 2016 and really the dilemma they have to date your having said that, i think we would all be very, very shocked if graham actually lost. it is one thing to have a race lean your way, it is another thing to have an upset. there is a big difference between having a close and having it go against the incumbent, so we will see.

it is possible. anything is possible. i can see the campaign moving in a way were democrats actually get comfortable, but i could also see it moving in a way where republicans retain, very narrowly, the senate. is pretty i think, secure for the democrats. host: last week, we talked to someone you know well, former congressman tom davis. he certainly knows virginia politics. he said for the democrats, they want to make that the personality campaign for donald trump, but republicans, they want to make this an issue-oriented campaign, and they want to get on the right side of the issues. your thoughts on that, especially as we deal with the coronavirus. guest: well, i think that is partly true, but it is pretty clear that the republicans actually want to make it a personality contest, biden vs. trump, and they are determined, at their convention enter their advertising, to "dirty a biden."

because right now, trump has very high on favorability. even if people do not agree with his issues, they don't like him. that includes people that are not in his camp. even a fair amount of republican say, "i like the policies, i am glad he is in they are doing x, y, z, but i do not like him." well, biden has been out of office for four years. by nature, he does not have a lot of sharp edges. it is hard for people to have strong feelings about him one way or another. he benefits from by going against donald trump. well, the trump people cannot let that continue. they have to drive up biden unfavorable, just like they drove up hillary clinton's nfavorables for years ago, though tha was a much easier task. she had a longer career in controversy, so there were a lot of things for republicans to cite.

they are going to try to do something about it these coming weeks. host: this past week of course, among those speaking very critical of the president, his predecessor, barack obama. [video clip] in the oval sat office with both of the men running for president. [laughs] i never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. i did hope, for the sake of our country, that donald trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously. that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care. but he never did. close to four years now, he has shown no interest in putting in the work, no interest in finding common ground, no interest in using the awesome

power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends. no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves. donald trump has not grown into the job, because he can't. and the consequences of that failure are severe. dead.0 americans millions of jobs gone, while those at the top take in more than ever. unleashed, aulses proud mutation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before. host: mr. sabato, one former obama aide saying that speech was three and a half years in the making. your reaction to what he said

and the tone of the former president. guest: a lot of people have observed in the past few days it really is unprecedented for a former president, meaning a past president, to attack the incumbent president in the very personal way that president obama did. i agree with that. it is unprecedented. of course it is also unprecedented for a sitting president to come almost on a daily basis, troll his predecessor. ever seen that. we have not had twitter all that long, and president trump is the first want to use it for anything other than formal announcements, but almost on a daily basis, you will have tweets attacking president obama and his personal character. so you see the dynamic there. they are both setting precedents, and you can understand why they are. host: in your electoral college ratings right now, this snapshot, you are predicting the democrats would get 268

electoral votes, the republicans, 204. states thattates, donald trump won in 2016 -- north carolina, florida, wisconsin, and arizona. guest: yes. right now, if the election were held now, or were held on labor day, i think it would be likely that biden would carry arizona. i think florida would be very close, with an edge to biden. north carolina, i still that would go to trump. wisconsin, as you look at the polls, it is also biden, but the is what itwisconsin is for biden, so as last time, this could be an upset. so that is the point when you look at the polls in the summer. you know that. we have been through this so many times in the years, and one side or the other gets very excited by the good polls in the

summer, and they they are shocked when you get past labor day, and suddenly, it is a very tight race. very occasionally, it goes in the opposite direction, but usually it tightens up at some point in the fall, often not that long after labor day. so, you know, we will see. it is an answer that doesn't satisfy anybody. everybody wants to tell you a great decision, what is going to happen in november, and the people who do don't know what they are talking about. host: our fine lines are open. -- our phone lines are open. (202) 748-8001, that is our life republicans, and (202) 748-8000 if you are a democrat. our line open for text messages. or you can tweet us @cspanwj. sunny is joining us from long beach, california. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to make a brief comment. the first comment is about the

virus. i am a black american who did vote for donald trump, but i have lost all respect for the republican party. there's just too many lives. i compared this virus to the tuskegee experiment that was done on black and brown people, way back then. we as americans have to understand that this is not a hoax. republicanhe convention is concerned, i will not listen to it. i have already made up my mind who i am going to vote for. i will not vote for a man who said that this virus is a hoax. out here in california, we have people who are dying. we have children who are dying, and now you want us to vote for a man who says it is a hoax? a man who tells us to drink bleach? a man who, his own family says

he is out of his mind? no. the biggest mistake i ever made my life was to vote for donald trump, and i will not vote for him. are very, very happy about this virus. don't be misled. very,icans right now are very happy about the fact that they have successfully killed 40,000 to 50,000 black and brown americans in this country. host: larry savitz oh, to his first point, a republican voting for trump in 2016 but not for the president in 2020, what does that tell you? , you have a few percentage points, and this gentleman is in a category, that is republicans who voted, even independents who voted for trump, who will not vote for him again and plan to, primarily, vote for joe biden. the gentleman said that he is , in 2016, only 8% of

for president trump. that is a very low percentage. most publicans get 10%, 12%, something like that. they are operating within a low ceiling and a high floor, i suppose, actually, a high ceiling and a low floor. i do not think that will change very much. it is possible that trump will set a new record low among blacks this year. as far as the virus is concerned, though, it is more complicated than that. yes, a terrible thing has happened, 175,000 americans having died. most models have it well over 200,000 by election day. that cannot help trump, democrat'sy when a is in charge. now, if president trump had acted sooner, in january and february, we would have been well along, and if he had done different things, a lockdown, we

would be worth some of the european countries are today, in a much better situation. but it is also true that, for every crisis, we have an opportunity. the opportunity that trump has, which he has been hinting about in quite some time, is that october, not that long before the election, there will be a dramatic announcement of a virus that is both safe and effective and is going to be available at, pick a date, january. it may be true, or maybe cut from whole cloth. you know, that has happened with this white house from time to time. regardless, if trump can sell that, and he is fundamentally a salesman, then, i think, the conditions are little bit different for november, especially if the announcement has some credibility to it, and it affects the economy -- not so much the stock market, but the wider economy, so that the

economy gets a jolt, a positive jolt of the thought that the pandemic might be ending within months. there i am skeptical that would be such a vaccine, and it would have been tested and proven effective, but i am not in that field. in the vast majority of americans are not in that field, so they are going to be making their judgment, based in part, on what their political leaders tell them. host: let me take that one step further, because we got a tweet from kayleigh mcenany, the white house press country, there is a news conference scheduled for 6:00 p.m. tonight. this is the headline from fox president will reveal a breakthrough therapeutic in the coronavirus. that is coming at 6:00 on the eve of the republican convention. guest: that is a difference. that is a therapeutic. he will not stop there. there will be an announcement at

some point, and it is very favorable. a series of announcements. different companies are trying to produce these vaccines. and democrats, privately, will tell you they expect that. they will tell you summer worried about it, others are not, but they understand how this president operates, and they expect that to happen. now, this therapeutics, i have no idea what it is, and i am not a public health anyway, so i cannot tell you whether it is real or not. but the problem with announcing it this soon as it had better work "new york times it had better not be another "injected bleach into your body" kind of therapeutic, and we will see. host: a tweet from the white house president terry, again, live at 6:00 p.m. eastern time, assuming that time still holds, we will have it for you here on c-span. youngstown, ohio, on with larry sabato of uva. good morning. caller: good morning. i wonder if, during the

convention, they will talk about social security. in the last two budget cycles, trump proposed cutting social security and medicare by $2 million. now trump says he wants to illuminate payroll taxes, permanently, next year. these are the taxes that fund social security and medicare. depend want to have to on charity or my children and grandchildren to stay alive, when i fade into the system my whole working life. thank you. host: larry sabato? guest: that was a well put together question. she has done some research on that. look, you will hear a lot about social security, but the vast majority on the democratic side. again, this is a standard practice in democratic campaigns, to talk about the security of social security. is the system secure? can you count on it? usually, democrats are saying the public's are trying to cut, they are trying to undercut. guarantee social

security with them in charge commanded republicans will try to deny that. extent that social security becomes an issue, it almost always favors democrats, and that reason, republicans will be schlepping other issues and trying to make sure social security does not lose to the middle state. host: from miami, florida, and a minute line. chris, good morning. caller: yeah, good morning. dr. sabado, i am disappointed that even c-span does not or has not yet brought up the contrast in policy issues between biden and trump. three important ones to become as an independent voter, one, biden supports the continuation of sanctuary cities. that is against current federal immigration law. i am against sanctuary cities. trump is not. biden is opposed to school choice, which impacts minority people. from newdinal study

york shows charter schools help minorities immensely. why would biden be opposed to school twice? three commander first debate, it was asked -- do you support free health care for illegals? biden raised his hands peered i do not support subsidize health care for people who broke the law. finally, secretary of defense robert gates, under president obama, said that vice president biden was wrong on every major policy decision. thank you. host: thanks for the call. larry sabato? guest: well, look, number one, as a c-span fan, i am going to defend it. if you watch a lot of c-span, sir, i guarantee you, that before november, c-span will carry everything and cover everything twice, three times, four times.

everything can be done by august, so i would not be overly concerned about that. as far as those issues are concerned, you name three issues that do not favor with the large portion of the electorate, do not favor joe biden and would favor donald trump. be sure reason, you can that whether it is on tv ads or indirect mail some other medium, the republicans will stress those issues. activists will lead with materials that they get from republican leaders over public in emails or that they see on republican tv ads. is august. it and, democrats will be responding accordingly, because there will be things you cannot keep a tag on, and they will make their positions clear, too. something i have learned over independent,y obviously of republican-leaning

independent, if you look over time, and you watch elections over time, you find that activists -- people who feel strongly about issues -- almost unanimously say every election that their issues are not and that isgh, because, if they had their way, that is all we would hear about. [laughs] so you can't win. in many ways, the media can't win, and many times, the candidates and campaigns cannot win. i tell people, be patient. patience is so underrated. host: we also want to share with our audience, this is what the president said last thursday. he traveled to old forge, pennsylvania, just outside of scranton. of course scranton is the hold of joe biden. here is what he had to say. [video clip] pres. trump: i am going to make a speech tonight. it will be very interesting to see how he does peered i hope he does well put i really do. i really hope he does well, but i also hope he does the well. he has got to tell the truth

about things, but hopefully not well enough. now, we are leading a war -- that's incredible -- but right now, we are leading in so many polls that they refuse to put out. we are doing so good in this state, in north carolina, and florida, and texas, and ohio, and michigan. you know how many car plans are being built or expanded in michigan? we are doing fantastically in michigan. we are doing great in new hampshire. these are real polls. these are poles where they do registered voters. you want to do voters that are going to vote. registered voters. you want to do what is called likely voters, in other words, people who are likely to vote, not registered voters, many of whom have died, many of them were not going to vote, and then you want to do it evenly. they do many more democrats. they do a paul -- many, many

democrats, few republicans, by six, ifwn that poll is true, we are up by 10. so we are going to see. i did it last time. host: larry sabato, does the president have a point, in particular from what we have seen in 2016? guest: i think you do have to look at the balance of democrats and republicans in the background with any particular poll. you have to look at how the police constructed, whether people taking the poll are partisan, are not partisan. i do not pay that much attention to partisan polls. i am always open to receiving data from partisan polls. sometimes partisan polls are well done and they are not bank come of frequently, they are produced to generate another storyline, a counter storyline to whatever the polling averages showing. and, by the way, people should poll thaton the agrees with them, that gives

them the numbers that they want to see. that is not help them at all. instead, if you take a polling average of all of the various nonpartisan polls that have been taken, at least some of the error is washout. not all of it, but some of it will be, and it is a more accurate representation of what flawed, whichare are imperfect -- are saying at moment.n poin candidates always say this. if they are behind, they say the polls are wrong, they are ridiculous. if they are ahead, basically they pretend that they were handed down by god. neither is true, in normal circumstances. we learned a lot about polling four years ago. a lot of changes have been made with some of the best organizations, and so i think you can rely little bit more on them. that's absolutely no way most of us will use them the

same way we once did. we paid perhaps too much attention to them, but i will look at them. i will pay attention to the polling average. i will think about it. but it won't be the only ingredient in any predictions, a crystal ball here at the university of virginia. host: four years ago, you were on this program and walked through the path in which donald trump could get to 270. that is exactly what he did. guest: well, i am glad you remember that. i must say, though, that my entire field, and that includes my outfit at the university of virginia, were convinced, by the end of the campaign, not just by the polls, but by all the other indicators that we had come up that hillary clinton was going to defeat donald trump -- and she did, 3 million votes, 2.1% of the popular vote. thes just that, only popular vote, and you try to translate that into the electoral college, you are going to make mistakes. that is something else that we

learn from 2016, and it is a mistake -- i hope -- that we will not make again in 2020. host: back to your phone calls, chris in marion, indiana, democratic line. thank you for waiting period good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for having me on. i appreciate that. we will see in the republican convention is pretty thatthe same that w rhetoric we hear everyday from president trump. everything is great, he is the greatest thing there ever was, and he never does no wrong, and democrats are evil and immoral. i think that is what we are going to see. host: thank you, chris. guest: well, there is certainly some truth to that. just as you got what you expected from the democratic convention. these are non-convention

conventions. that is what virtual conventions are. you cannot have a convention if you don't convene. you cannot have a convention if you do not have the thousands of live delegates who can react spontaneously, sometimes favorably, sometimes unfavorably. at a's always doing convention, the organizers of the convention don't like it, but delegates are activists, they are uber activists, bank spread themselves -- they express themselves. as i said, these are tv broadcasts, not a convention. so who are they for? they are for the activists. they charge up the activists. i think the democrats did a good job. they charged up the aggregate a. democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of what they saw. the odds are -- and i have not seen any particular agenda -- they have not released a

detailed agenda for the republican convention, but based on convention, we can be pretty sure that the same thing will happen at the republican nonconvention. you will have eight speakers, some live events with very small audiences, that have been carefully scripted to produce a certain emotional response. there's nothing wrong with that. that's what i a lot of nonpolitical tv does, too. differentare very situations, and you will not see massive fluctuations in the polls. host: by the way, the convention that's underway tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. we will have it here for you on c-span. the evening sessions each night at 8:30 p.m. eastern time. thomas is next, springfield, florida, republican line, with mr. sabado. caller: i have a question. a lot of your independence realize jill biden is nothing more than a figurehead to the

left-wing part of the party, the social is part of the party. when you look at these cities, mostly blue states, democratic-run states, they see the riots, they say the chaos, they see the hatred for law enforcement. do you think the majority of americans, mostly independents, are going to overlook that? do you realize the democrat party has been hijacked by the left? at one point, they were the party of police officers, the unions. now they are anti-. a lot of the support is for donald. do you feel like independents will overlook that? host: thank you, tom. thet: we will know more by weekend, because this is one of the themes we will see driving home after the republican nonconvention convention throughout the week. it will not be one committed will be repeatedly, because her publicans believe that is one of the best ways they can find

biden negatively and therefore win the election. look, here is the problem that publicans have. incumbentinvolving an president are always about the president, and you will see two names with the major party candidates, minor party candidates are not having an impact, at least at this point. you will see donald j. trump, and you will see joseph r biden, but some people, most people will see not donald trump. so it is donald trump versus not donald trump. now obviously, the republicans and president trump will try to define biden to the extent that he appears as his real name as opposed to come if you don't like donald trump, you vote for d joe biden.

and the issues you mentioned will be one of the ways that republicans will try to do it, but it is usually a referendum on the president when an incumbent president is on. and that is going to be a problem for republicans, or at least it is to this point. host: as you know, the white house, the president was supporters continue to call into ofstion the mental fitness the former vice president. in an interview that aired tonight on abc and an expert on joe biden responding to that, saying "watch me, mr. president." your thoughts on that, larry sabato? guest: i will say that, my bias upfront, and i will say of someone close to 70, i think they are both too old. i do not think we should be electing presidents in their 70's. i am sure a lot of people disagree with me, but the ideal age for a president, which requires vigor and energy to the extreme, is somebody in their 50's, maybe early 60's, someone

who can serve eight years and still be vigorous and have all of their faculties. extent that somebody just watching on television can determine, they both seem relatively vigorous to me, but that is not my field. i don't know how to judge that. so i am not thrilled that we have two candidates, trump, 74, biden 77, will be 78 before inauguration day. i think that is a bit old. that 74so don't think or 78 is 87 or 97. if somebody is vigorous, who has had a long life and has exercised and eaten well and the kind of job stimulation that both trump and biden do, i think they will be ok. they may not be as sharp as they were at 50 or at 60, but they will be ok.

you know, ronald reagan had early signs of alzheimer's, which was not clear to everybody, in his second term, but we know he function pretty well, and even his closest aides, who were concerned at one point about it, watch very carefully, and that resolve their concerns. they considered invoking the 20 for the amendment. matters, thee job constant stimulation of events day after day, really hour after hour and minute after minute, that ought to be taken into account, too. host: we will go to missouri, next, carla, and independent. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. i am 88 years old, and i have been watching -- host: we are glad you are here. caller: you are my main source of news. question, and then i will get

off the phone so i can hear, this presidential polling, i don't think polling in this climate is a very good idea. afraid to express an opinion, one way or another, today, in front of their friends. experience,my own when people called to ask my opinion, i just hang up. so i think that the vast number of people, i guess you could call it the silent majority, who just keep their opinions to ifmselves, and i just wonder you thought that would be expressed in your polling data. i am going to hang up and listen to your answer. host: carla, thank you for the call, and thanks for being a regular c-span viewer.

listen, we appreciate it. caller: ok. host: larry sabato. guest: well, she was wisely observant, and she has been wisely observant. that is a problem. there is no question that some people will simply say they are undecided or they have not made up their mind, when they know very well who they are going to vote or. i am suspicious of any poll that undecideds higher than 6% or 8%, macs, because the truth is, how can anybody be undecided? [laughs] we have had more politics in more ways over the last four or even five years, counting the 2016 campaign, then we have had in any comparable period, at least in my lifetime, maybe the exception late 60's, early 70's, but i do think a lot of people do hide their views, to a certain extent. they are wary about their neighbors and coworkers, and even other family members. they don't want to be in

constant argument. inall know people like that, our families, in our workplaces, so there's something to that. at the same time, i think over the past four years, people have become a little more upfront about their opinions about donald trump. they may not have a strong opinion, at this point, about joe biden. republican activists do, but others who are not so involved in politics may not have that strong of an opinion. but i have yet to meet a person who does not have a strong opinion, one way or another, about donald trump. so when i look at that undecided figure, i do wonder what percentage of it is actually decided and simply won't say. our listenersme on c-span radio and siriusxm. this program is carried live every sunday morning on potus channel 124. eleanor is next, joining us from morganville, new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning.

it is nice to speak with you this morning, and i would like to ask your opinion and everyone else's opinion out there, how do we choose a president today that values? strong moral not only a president who knows his foreign policy, he has to have people around him, strong moral, strong people with values and integrity? when i look into the eyes of a man, i can tell if he is being honest or deceitful, and i am has that everyone else who gained the privilege of age, as i have -- i am 88 years young. i wonder where can we find republicans, people -- not look at the money aspect of our country all the time, but moral valuesat the

that we have to go back to? today losing our society to people who are looting and doing terrible, terrible things. we have to get back to moral values. host: eleanor, thank you for the call, and we will get a response. guest: my response is this -- too many people wait until the general election to purchase pay. they basically say let the parties pick their candidates, and then i will make a choice between those two, from the major candidates, and yes there are some who support third parties and so on. 95% of the people who vote end up voting between the two major party candidates. that is a terrible mistake. you should not wait until the general election. you should get active in the primaries, maybe even before the primaries, and activities. that is where the choice is made.

people often say -- how did we get these two turkeys? not that i think these two are turkeys or others are turkeys, but people will say, how did we get these two turkeys as the nominees for president? and my answer to them always is, because you did not for dissipate. the vast majority of people do primary up for activities. you leave it for others, you let george do it, and then you are stuck with the two candidates you get. so participate fully, as early as you can in the process. express yourself, your issues, your values. you may win, you may lose, but you will have an influence. you and millions of other citizens will have an impact on that party's nominating process. host: brenda, you are next, fort lee, new jersey, our lives were republicans. welcome to the conversation, brenda. caller: good morning, america. i just have a quick comment.

i am so disappointed in the democrats. i have always been a democrat. i listened to the debates last week of joe biden and kamala harris, and i was so disappointed. i need to hear more of what they are going to do to make our america better. i did not hear that. a goodnt trump is president, and i really, strongly feel, for another four years, he will do good for america. let's give him a chance. gets in, such as biden and kamala harris, we are in trouble. thank you for listening, and i will stay on the line for your comment. thank you. host: brenda, thanks for the call. there was chrysostom, larry sabato, that there was more rhetoric than substance at the democratic convention. guest: yes, that is frequently at these things.

look, read the platform, which is online. read the whole platform. it is a lengthy documentary always is. specific some very pledges in it. so that is more meat on the bone. the fact is that democrats randy convention the way they did because they want to run against donald trump, not just on specific issues that they disagree on, like, say, immigration, or the coronavirus, and how he handled that, but also on character, and so they are trying to define their ticket as being very different from the republican ticket, particularly biden versus trump. lots of opinions on that both ways. it would take three hours if we started discussing that. but that is the reason they did it. host: based on what we know so far of this convention, the democrats did include former presidents jimmy carter, bill clinton, and of course barack obama. george w. bush is not inspected to be part of this republican convention. is that unusual?

guest: yes. yes, it is very unusual, but i do not think it is a surprise to anybody that the bushes are not all that close to the trumps, certainly to donald trump. yes, president trump did attend the funeral of former president george w. bush, and that seems to tamp down the conflict for a while, but they could not be more different. and most of the theaides that served in bush term do not like donald trump at all. they may agree with him on some they were very disappointed that republicans nominated him. now, president trump has gone out of his way to stick it to the bushes and say things that are unfavorable to them, but nothing of the trolling that he does to president obama. so you reap what you sow. a lot of people do not want

trump to reach out to the bushes. they have rejected that form of the republican party. so there is a split in there, just like the democratic party, split between really the biden wing, the more moderate wing, and the biden/clinton wing, you might call it, and the more liberal/progressive wing of the party. it is in the nature of political parties. they are a coalition. they all have factions within them. they are coalition parties, which is why we only have two. you have to set a lot of different factions into each of these umbrella parties. host: larry sabato, 10 weeks before the election, early voting underway in september. we will check in with you often during this campaign. thank you very much for being with us. guest: i always enjoy it, steve, and i love c-span, along with many of your viewers >> the postmaster general and

the chair of the united states postal service board of governors testifies before congress amid concern about changes to postal service operations and their impact on the upcoming elections, monday at 10:00 a.m. eastern before the house oversight and reform committee. watch live coverage monday on c-span.org, orat listen wherever you are with the c-span radio app. ♪ week, the republicans--- republicans' turn. here there vision for the future and their priorities. watch president and vice president pence accept the nomination for reelection. live coverage begins monday at 9:00 eastern as delegates meet to nominate president trump and vice president pence.

at 8:30 eastern, the evening session. watch on c-span, live streaming at c-span.org, or listen with the c-span radio app. before the evening session, watch at 6:00 eastern for pass convention speeches by prominent politicians, howard baker, pat powell, andlin condoleezza rice. watch past speeches and the start of the republican national convention monday on c-span, your unfiltered view of politics. ♪ later, we expect an update from president trump on the federal response to the coronavirus. here is a look at what his chief of staff had to say on abc's senatork, followed by chris coons, who appeared on fox news. >>