on friday's rally on racial unrest. join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal is next. ♪ good morning and welcome to washington journal. yesterday, dc filling the national mall 57 years after the original march on washington. requests remain the same half a century after martin luther king jr. spoke from the steps of the lincoln memorial asking for the end to racism, justice and equality for all. we want to hear from african-american viewers this morning. has this country changed enough since the first march on washington? do you have hope for more change? what is the state of civil rights in the united states? this is for our black viewers

only. if you are an african-american in america and you are under 50, your number is (202) 748-8000. for the black viewers 50 and .ver, (202) 748-8001 keep in mind, you can always and we at (202) 748-8003 are always reading on social facebooktwitter and on at facebook.com/c-span. once again we are talking about yesterday's march on washington which have been here in the nation's capital. conversations and revolved around some of the same issues that they talked about 57 years ago. in fact, here is reverend al sharpton who was on the national mall yesterday talking about why

the march needed to happen again. >> we did not come to start trouble, we came to stop trouble. you act like it is no trouble to shoot us in the back. you act like it is no trouble to put a chokehold on us while we scream i can't breathe 11 times. you act like it is no trouble to hold a man down on the ground until you squeeze the life out of him. it is time for a new conversation. , why did they have the march at lincoln's memorial. why didn't they go to the jefferson memorial? why didn't they go to the washington monument?

told me, you have to understand, 100 years before 1963 was 1863. 1863, abraham lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. he promised us. full -- he promised us citizenship if we fought the union. he promised us 40 acres and a mule. we never got the full citizenship. we never got the reparations. we come to lincoln because you promised, mr. came 57 years ago to say we are tired of broken promises. host: let's start out by talking to gwen who was calling from detroit, michigan. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call.

, is ited the question ever going to change? host: what do you think about the state of civil rights right now and on top of that, do you think we are going to see a change? , it has been 50 years since the last march on washington and the same things are still happening. we are still trying to fight against the same evil forces that are trying to keep us down, they were keeping us down then and they are still doing it now. the only way we have ever had any progress was through the democrats who offered unions and medical and things like that. do not cut me off. do not cut me off. but i am just saying, things have not changed. but i still have hope. we elected obama. that was something different

that did change. now we have an african-american woman running, kamala harris, running for vice president. but the systemic racism is embedded in this country and as long as people support trump the way they do, the way they just ignore all of the lies and all of the wrong deeds that he has done and all of the corruption and everything in his presidency, it is going to be a hard struggle. host: let's go to judy who was calling from baltimore. good morning. caller: good morning. for the march yesterday, things have gotten two times worse. i would say 100 times worse. i have never voted before in my life. but this is the first time in my life i am going to vote. and that is because i grew up in a house with seven black females

and a father and i never thought that i would witness the united states putting a man in office who we all heard say, you can -- at willn and wil if you have money. i knew right then that this country would be in trouble. and it scares me to death for little girls and little boys that if you do something like that and those children grow up still vote for a man who you knew does something like that to you and make him head of a country like this, it is shameful. and all women should be embarrassed who went and voted for donald trump. this is one of the worst things i have ever seen. i have seen the hate. i have seen the hate as a woman and as a little girl.

are the things that my father and my mother and my nephew have gone through, watching black women sitting on the ground holding their bibles on sunday. it hurts and it bothers me and this is the first time i'm going to vote, if i have to walk 40 miles, i want him out of there. i hate how this man has made me feel. made me feel 100 times worse living in a country like this. host: what kept you from voting before? why didn't you vote in previous elections? i didn't vote for barack obama. i would never vote for joe biden, but i don't like what i hear from donald trump when i see him on tv. my skin crawls because i feel the hate, how this man has made me feel as a black woman and i did not want to have boys and

give birth to black men because i knew the kind of stuff i would witness. i thank god that both of them are away from this earth. you have a pleasant day. host: let's go to william calling from houston, texas. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. hello? host: you are on the air. caller: good morning, c-span. 60. over if you look at the police force throughout the united states, it is 98% white. that will not change. you look at corporate america where we have successful americans in power but they have no hard power so there is no legacy. so i say to young men and young women of america if they are

don't let thean, same thing that happened in the 60's happen now. you can always find someone of color to act against their own will. there is no way anybody i would say that is african-american, that cany male, justify voting for a man that the blatanthaos and york five andnew what he did to president obama. youo, anybody of color, look yourself in the eye because you are one step away from the close to me. have a great day. host: our first three callers all brought up president trump. president trump spoke about what

he has done for the african-american community this week and here is what he had to say. pres. trump: to bring prosperity to our forgotten inner cities, we worked hard to pass historic criminal justice reform, prison reform, opportunity zones and long-term funding of historically black colleges and diversities and before the china produced the best unemployment numbers for african americans, hispanic americans, and asian americans ever recorded. [applause] and i say very modestly that i have done more for the african-american community than any president since abraham lincoln, our first republican president. [applause]

and i have done more in three years for the black community then joe biden has done in 47 years. [applause] and when i am reelected, the best is yet to come. to our phoneo back lines and talked to james who was calling from stafford, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. as a black american what i think is that things have moved and they have moved well but i think that the problem is that we are relying on others to do for us what we should be doing for ourselves. we should really be working on starting our own businesses, even if we have to help each other. you have people coming in from

other countries who banned together, help each other, build a business for themselves and move onto the next person in their group to help load a business for them. we keep looking for someone else to do something for us and of course, that is not across the board. you have many in the black community who do business opportunities. but you have so many who are just waiting for someone to give them something or thinking that someone owes them something. that might be an unpopular worked mybut i have whole life since i was 14 years i unfortunately do not have a college education, but i made sure my children did. i just think we have to do it for ourselves. we have to stop expecting or thinking that anybody else is going to do a -- do it for us. host: james, how do we get

around the racism and sexism we see all too often in american society and in those financial systems where you need to go to get funding for those businesses you are talking about? caller: and that is always the issue is that it is hard for us to get funding. and i understand that. but it is not impossible. it is something we are going to have to just keep pushing. if we have our own businesses, after a while, those other businesses are going to come to us and say, we need you. we need your dollars. we need help from this community. i can guarantee you that asian americans who have all of these businesses did not start out getting whatever they wanted. but it got to a point where they were taking so much money from everybody else that everybody else started saying let's go

this and then they can get the taxes and all the things that they want. it is in process. i don't think it is going to be something that is going to be believe that if ourselves, to build stop looking to others, i believe we can make it. host: let's go to frank calling from seattle, washington. good morning. caller: good morning. know theread -- you is public interest -- i think the united states has greatly increased -- i am 67. -- there was a racial consciousness level being raised as far as race relations is

concerned. i think compared to the 1960's the -- an awakening of the fact that people are andcious of the differences culture not based on race that are not geographical locations. the majority initial race americanss that we as notice again in the south. nowadays, i live in seattle. aside from political differences though the american black person has greatly been

accepted by the majority. as minority -- the word minority is synonymous with meager -- negro if you ask me. nowadays everyone is so welcoming. the beauty is there if you look for it because in the south, because at a time when race magnified ine so our collective conscious, the , it was alwaysss race relations. it emanated i think from the south. on the cotton belt.

nowadays race relations in the united states, like kenosha, wisconsin. where is that? no one knows. everyone knows where selma is. everyone knows where biloxi is. any southern state -- my father is from montgomery, alabama. the united states has, our populace, has accepted to a degree that it is areceable, race relations examined in every corner of this country and that is beautiful because we believe that there is oury for us to fulfill

constitutional -- our direction. we, a people, not specific color. so i do think the state of civil rights in the united states has greatly advanced and to me, it is a beautiful thing. in order to -- you have to , realize that education is paramount to understanding factors are the that involve a sense of racism, if you will, in an individual. host: let's go to james who was calling from north dakota. good morning.

caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. quickly i want to say that i believe that race relations has gotten better, way better than what it was. ceo of ay, a corporation. i am a high school dropout with no college education and i am a ceo. you cannot tell me one thing that if a person, regardless of their color, we are talking about black people, that if we put our minds to it, we cannot accomplish. people always say, we had a black president. that in itself, and we had him for two terms, that is evident as far as how far we have come. i heard the other caller james, he is right. we look into the -- we are looking to the government who we say we have a problem with to take care of us and that does not make sense. and we look to the democratic party which does not make sense. in california they are talking about striking down affirmative action and making it legal to disseminate -- this committee

based on color and that is the democratic party and kamala harris's name is attached to it as well. the democrat party has hurt us and we as a party -- we as a people come together and look to ourselves to a comp is what we need to accomplish, there is nothing that anybody, regardless of color, at this point in the game, they can't stop us. host: we were talking earlier before the show because there have been three major protest movements. first, we had the civil rights movement. and then for people around my age, there was the million man march in d.c. and now there is the black lives matter movement around the country. have you ever participated in any type of civil rights movement like any of those three? caller: no, i have not and definitely not black lives matter at all. host: what about the events

around the million man march or the civil rights protests? have you participated in any type of movement like that? caller: i'm under 50, i am 43. the million man march, no i did not. at that time, i was working for someone else. i did not take off. i did witness it, but i could not participate. i am in a position now where i can take time off. what i will not participate in black lives matter because i do not agree with the tactics and i do not agree with the leaders that came out and said they are trained marches. i don't agree with that. i think ultimately that will bring more problems not only to our nation, but to our people because i believe they are using black issues to push an agenda that ultimately is going to work against us. host: do you think any type of protesting is effective in the u.s. or should there be another tactic like boycotts or something else that should be done to get civil rights for

everyone and to advance the cause of civil rights? isler: i believe protesting effective and boycotts but what i believe we need to do is, another caller said it, we have to get educated and get our people into positions where they can effectively make changes that would benefit us as black people in this country. right now we look to other people to make those changes for us. they may or they may not. we cannot look for somebody else to solve problems within our own community. and one other thing really quickly, i have seen within our community and it hurts me, is that we also, a lot of young people, we have a community where we embrace things that hurt us like our music. dealers,y drug disrespecting women, killing each other and we feed ourselves that and what do you think that

is ultimately going to happen? you are going to see that played out, especially when you have young men and women without fathers in the home. they look to those things as a way out of their situation, they try to imitate. and we embrace that type of stuff. host: back in 1963, the reverend martin luther king jr. was asked about how he thought the march on washington went and what would be the impact. here is some of our archival video from what he said. [video clip] >> it is my pleasure to present the moral leader of our nation, one who has conducted a moral campaign in the southern area of the nation against the citadel of racism, dr. martin luther king jr.. >> thank you, mr. randolph. i would simply like to say that

i think this has been one of the great days of america and i think this march will go down as one of the greatest, if not, the greatest demonstrations for freedom and human dignity ever held in the united states. host: let's go back to the phone lines and talk to carnell who was calling from georgia. good morning. caller: hello. hey, cousin. host: i figured that was you. how are you doing? caller: i'm doing great. i think it is critically important to be discussing what we are doing. i want to say in respect to those who have spoken before, i think everyone has had the right part of the formula. sometimes describing the worst of what has been done to us and what we have done to ourselves, we get obsessed with our story, our own personal stories, perhaps our own section of the elephant.

sometimes we may create faultlines with each other that don't need to be there. i agree with what everyone said. of course we need to take more ownership, of course. but there is also an environment and there is a social mobility and laws enshrined in our constitution that defined for everyone life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and property. the brother made a comment about the music we embrace, he is right. there is some low value music that we embrace. but it is also the executives that push that stuff to our community. nowhere else where you have -- do you have a community being inundated with hypersexuality. it is a sharing other responsibility we have. we get a little bit of hype about our success and our story and we think that is the path, no it is all the paths. i will make this comment and i will go. the civil rights act of 1964 and

voting rights act of 1965 and the fair housing act changed our lives. i am born in 1973. it changed my life and your life . it is policies that make the difference. policies, policies, policies. the brother who wrote the book about antiracism, he brings this up that racism was created by policies and we spent the next 200 or 300 years justifying the policies. we as a people have often thought to fight against the attitudes in the population, i , i am as clean as white folks, i am as smart as them, and the racism will fall away over time. black folkslks and have accepted the gradualism. that is not as all -- at all how you attack it. until those policies are referenced came about, you had a lot of marching, dying,

dogfighting and water hoses but not a lot was changing. policies. right after the civil rights happened in the 1960's, we were supposed to come in with an agenda after that. now that we have access to college and education and so forth, let's now live this way so that we can lift our people to the next level. there is a portion we have to do ourselves with the access. here is what we did. we fell into an 1980's hyper materialism that all of america was going through. our access to the mainstream that started in the 1970's swept us into this crazy thing that has been going on for the last generation where values of prosperity and pleasure over other values have been lifted up and we fell into that. instead of coming with an agenda and saying ok, king and all of these fighters who have gotten us this far, two generations ago, 4000 african-amanthat was 5 years. we have been living under trauma.

that does not just go away. it manifests in modalities we exhibit as well. the work is big. it is not about democratic and republican. do not get swept up in that. you go get a license to drive, you get a social security card, you go to vote because the democratic republican -- because in the democratic republic we have, the letters are on the wall. host: let's go to earl from florida. the morning. caller: good morning. i preface my statement by saying that white men have a tendency to repeat itself before history. i listened to all the comments from the previous brothers and i have to say they ponticated their opinion very well, some of them. the issue is -- i am 70 years old. wasmember when malcolm x saying instead of us fighting for civil rights, we should be

going to the united nations for human rights. civil rights is just a right that you give persons when you accept them as human. the in the day, i remember idea of martin luther king was pushed down because it became the lesser of the two evils. those of us who wanted to go was not a max, let's go to the rights,ations of human our fight became a non-thing because they labeled malcolm x as someone that the wife should be afraid of, etc. he was saying we should rally for human rights. but now you argue for the right to sit in the front of a bus or i can sit in your restaurant and eat. i could not go into the second

and third store because my mother had to take me to the first floor and basement. if they respected us as human, they would have treated us as civil. now everyone is talking about civil rights, we are human. aite americans claim this is christian society. i wonder what bible did they read because none of their behavior is reflective of judaism nor is any of their behavior reflective of christianity. where was jesus behavior like anything that they manifested documents? -- manifested on humans? we heard this before. i used to be with karen mitchell. he made a statement. he said, every time we thank -- fight for something and we get it, they work to take it back. he said there is that one of his

speeches when he was getting ready to retire. to try toy are going take it right back because they do that every time. and we fall for this and i like what doc rivers said. he made it clear. why do we keep loving a country that don't love us back? china, if you are listening, come here and we will try your communism rather than their democracy. host: let's go to moore from georgia. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span, good morning, america. i am a black 72-year-old african-american. i grew up under jim crow. things have changed. is thes not changed man's mind. just like your brother called this morning and said all we can

do to stop this killing and then we blame each other. that has been going on since i can remember is that the way a man thanks, -- thinks the way that he is. you have turned your thoughts against you. -- i will say it again, we are not responsible for the way people treat us. we have had our own. seen st. joseph. we have had, and it was taken away by what they call the law. .hey don't explain to you they can change the law and put you down. all i am saying, look at the way you think. my father gave me a book that was written in 1924 by james

allen. we need to read that. every life mail in my family a copy of that book. host: tell us again, what is the title? caller: sagan? -- say again? host: what is the name of the book you mentioned? caller: as a man think of, so is he. are, asto become who we , son think it -- thinketh is he. host: one of our callers referenced doc rivers. i want to bring you part of the statement from doc rivers. here is what he said. [video clip] >> they are spewing this fear. all you hear is donald trump and all of them talking about fear. we are the ones getting killed, we are the ones getting shot.

deniedthe ones that were to live in certain communities. we have been hung, we have been and all you do is keep hearing about fear. amazing why we keep loving this country and this country .oes not love us back it is really so sad. coach.d just be a i am so often reminded of my color. it is just really sad. we have to do better. we have to demand better. it is funny, we protest and they

guards, people in riot outfits. they go to michigan with guns and they are spitting on cops and nothing happens. the training has to change in the police force. the unions have to be taken down in the police force. i believe in good cops. defund thetrying to police and take their money away. we are trying to get them to protect us, just like they protect everybody else. i did not want to talk about it before the game because it is so hard. keep watching it. that video, if you watch that video, you don't need to be black to be outraged. you need to be american and outraged. and how dare the republicans

talk about fear. host: let's go to robin calling from cleveland, tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning. at the foot of appalachia. i went to school with white people that had never seen black people before. has peeledald trump white america back like an onion and they have realized that they are their ancestors. they are them. made $99,000 last year and we live in a nice home and i think we have forgot that we still live among their ancestors and they raise their children to be just like them. said,hat guy doc rivers

all last week was about their fear. what is their fear? are they afraid that we are going to treat them the way they treated us? that is their fear. because if you have been good to people, why would you fear them? all i can say to black america is to get out and vote. please vote instead of worrying about eyelashes. host: let's go to olivia calling from virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. , shelady that just called does not know what she is talking about. she has no idea what she is talking about. she is talking about policies? she would understand that the president has good policies but they go by personality and she does to. -- too. and that basketball player said i would be loved by country that

does not love us. you show me a country without san and i will show you a country that does not exist. america is the best country and if he does not like it, he needs to take himself somewhere else and see how far he would get. i guarantee you he would not be on tv complaining because he would be living under some ungodly situation. think docia, i don't rivers is saying america is not the best country in the road. but i think he is saying that america can be better. do you agree? caller: i would say this. , i have a harde time saying it, systemic racism, and that was true because there in every area of life of responsibility and that is not so today. professors,ers,

personalities, they owned so many things, homeowners, business owners, everything from mayors to attorney general's to governors. we even had a black president. black people, women, hispanic, asian, everybody is everywhere today. host: are you saying that you don't think that systemic racism exists anymore? systemic racism exists in your mind because all we do is complain about things that we -- you know, if we got real about what is going on, we don't want to be for real. it is like we just don't want to see the truth. it is likely just love being a victim. it is like, i can't just stand to see the truth, i probably should've listened to what the

police said. should the police have shot him? if i was walking behind him with a gun asking him to stop, if he was me and he went to his car, i would not wait to see what he comes up with. i would have shot him. i really would have. host: go to blake from the city. -- let's go to blake from mississippi. good morning. caller: good morning. i am from doc rivers' neighborhood. so many stories i'd ever come home and tell me, he ended up retiring as a fireman. he would tell me how they would do black people. as a whole other story. i want african americans to understand one thing.

the democratic party makes the republican party look good because they are killing millions of our kids, they have a globalist agenda. when people come to america, pie.bite off of our like the gym and from virginia said, they are collected together -- like the gentleman from virginia said. are related to their own country. isbe related to a party that literally killing millions of your unborn children, like joe a deal to lock up millions of people. i cannot vote for him. i rather not vote at all.

in biden has had 50 years which he has not done anything but destroy black lives. he was a moderate, he was not a progressive. i cannot stand him back then. sandra callingto from birmingham, alabama. caller: good morning. i am calling to say that president trump said he did more for the black people and he is saying about the black colleges. the black colleges and universities have always had the negro college fund. president trump took away money from the pell grant which granted people with low income to go to college and to get a degree. he keeps saying he did more for the black. i want to know what did president trump did for the twok people besides getting

black women out of prison. for the people that want to know about this, google it. go on your cell phone and computer and pull up black universities and colleges and it will tell you that president into the not put money black universities and colleges. thank you and have a blessed day. host: let's go to john from illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm happy to talk with you. i'm 77 years old and a vietnam veteran. i am a retired colonel list, newspaper journalist -- journalist. i heard you saying some things about dr. king. rosa 11 years old when parks refused to get up on the in 1956.abama i was 11 years old.

planhappened there was not in terms of a movement that will go nationwide but it started small. dr. king was the pastor of a church where i lived. he responded to the call. vietnamam when i got to and saw that there were no black officers, there were two black officers in vietnam my entire year there. i had to wonder, where are the officers? we saw them running around with rifles and helicopters and guns on helicopters and the door would be open and they were protecting the helicopter and they were going overboard in the civil rights movement. we did not even know what was happening in the states. finally we got a radio and someone was able to get a hold of a radio. we got one and remember i was so

excited because dr. king was wereing in 1966 and we listening to this march of dr. theywhen all of a sudden, holler on the radio, dr. king has been hit with a brick. here we are fighting a war in vietnam. the building was shaking because the bombs were coming in every night. we said, this isn't making sense. our people cannot bow back home and we are here fighting for somebody else's freedom which we don't have at home. when lyndon it is, b. johnson told dr. king, make me do it and they were talking about the civil rights movement, passing the civil rights bill, make me do it. , juste never sat down like in kenosha, we should have programs right now that we want

to see more black cops. inave not seen a black cop any of these movements, in any of these events where black guys are killed. i have seen nothing but white folks. where are the black policeman? they could have stepped up and said hold on, your foot off his neck. a black policeman could've said, don't shoot that boy in the back. the young man could have stopped and talked to the policeman. but we have no black presence in these organizations and we don't put nothing in place. it is always reactionary. dr. king was reactionary. dr. king was a good man. he stepped up to the call, to the movement. and all of our movements, let me say this and i am gone, all of our movements have come through the church. all of them. in 1958,ed in churches 1959, 1960. we had no other place to go.

we put strategies together. this is what we are going to do to integrate this white town. this is what we are going to do to get some black folks on the police force. we always had an agenda that we carried to the white folks, this is what we want. but we are not doing that now. all of them are millionaires. they don't put nothing in writing. host: let's go to david calling from flint, michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. glad to talk on the issue. i heard the caller from virginia , if he really was a black world, he is living in a that i don't know where he is living at because the things he racism,ut there is no none of that is true. none of that that that person said is true. the caller from mississippi said he is going to sit out because

of a crime bill. joe biden voted for the crime bill back then when the crack epidemic was wild in all american cities. black legislators voted for it, too because we did not know what to do. i remember, i was back then. they did not know what to do so they voted for the crime bill. joe biden is a decent man. joe biden is not a racist. you were talking about a third-party? a third party, you won't get anything done. what is the third party doing now? you will not get enough people to do anything. the black people are voting for their interest and their interest, the best people that represent our interest in this country, this country where so much crime against our people, is the democratic party. people always criticizing lacks for voting for the democratic

party. we have to. we have nowhere else to go. host: one of our callers earlier referenced what millionaire athletes have been saying and doing about civil rights and social change. bestweek lebron james, the basketball player in the world right now, talked about the police shooting of jaocb blake. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i know people get tired of hearing me say it, but we are scared as black people in america. black men, black women, black kids, we are terrified. you don't know. you have no idea. you have no idea how that cop that day left the house. you don't know if you woke up on the good side of the bed, the wrong side of the bed, you don't know if you have an argument at home with a significant other, if one of his kids said something crazy to him and he left the house steaming or maybe he just left the house saying

that today is going to be the end for one of these black people. because we see it over and over. as you watch the video, there was multiple moments where if they wanted to, they could have grabbed him, they could have done that. why does it always have to get gunspoint where we see the firing? there, hisily as kids are there, it is in broad daylight. host: let's see if we can get more phone calls. let's start with david from providence, rhode island. good morning. caller: good morning. i believe a lot of what is going on has to do with the lack of solidarity amongst us as black people. we have black people in the south would have dealt with the issues in this -- in the past.

and now we have a difference amongst us as black people. a lot of things we ask for our unlikely because the system we are asking for change from has been unjust. someone made a comment about every time something changes, they take it back. every time they give us something, they take it back. we as black people have to do things for ourselves. unfortunately with the lack of solidarity, that is a long way away. we keep looking to a system that is not built on justice. it is built on capitalism. and now that is the most important thing. ourselves,demeaning we have athletes, we have all types of people who readily d,cepted the and word -- n-wor but when someone else uses it toward us, put the brakes on.

we can educate ourselves, we can do many things for ourselves but we could looking outside of ourselves for something to be done for us. i think that is the root. we.b. dubois says, who are faithful to. we have to look at ourselves as who we are originally and that is my comment. i believe it begins and ends with us. we have to be better for us. host: let's go to eddie calling from los angeles, california. good morning. caller: how are you and good morning to the rest of my brothers and sisters no matter what color you are. after listening to the sister from virginia, which was a scary with a pistol, that is scary. and the brother from michigan, their water is getting to him, i think. there is racism here. it is institutionalized. this is why i called.

everyone is saying get out and vote. biden is a racist. i don't know what that brother is talking about but he worked and thurmond,rd two ku klux klan recruiters. we are dealing with a whole new issue as black folks. the homeless is beginning to grow with black people as they bring in illegals. you have a government who is breaking the laws to commit war on the black community. illegal immigration is there to depress your wages, your education, your voice. otherwise, these are the same people, the congress, the ones who set the laws. why are they breaking their own laws?

as, what did she call that? racism is in our head? of course it is in our head because it is in our lives. anytime you start getting up into the status of this country and then they bring in illegals and tell you you must learn spanish in order to work, we are still trying to learn the vernacular of english. this is crazy. as far as voting, faux fur who? -- vote for who? hillary clinton became a democrat because she did not like shirley chisholm running for president first. barry goldwater was the donald trump of all time, man. they have not changed. from let's go to terry detroit, michigan. good morning. caller: good morning.

i want to make a couple of comments. civil rights has gotten better. said, the other callers wehave doctors, lawyers, have gone to the highest office in the land. so i think civil rights has gotten better. i will comment on racism. .oday it is more covert is every white person racist? no. i think it is more covert today. this, i think donald trump has fanned the flames. i think people forget, the republicans have had their convention. i wish somebody would show a montage of all of the things, incendiary racial things that this president has talked about. the way he has conducted himself. i am not even talking about the policies. some of the policies i admire. i would still vote democrat.

, ifst think the conduct obama had been anywhere close to , heconduct of donald trump would have been -- there would have been a lot of angst against him. host: let's go to jermaine who was calling from new york. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: go ahead. is, i feel thing like we are divided as black people. first of all like the brother said who just called about the lady talking about she would have shot him in the back. come on, now. that is crazy. that is part of the problem, too. she is talking about she is a trump supporter.

me, talking about another guy saying he does not stand behind black lives matter, we don't stand behind each other. take the republicans. the map -- no matter what trump says, cleaner in your body, they stand behind him, no matter what. they still want him to be the president. blacks, iou have some don't know if they want to be white, they can't stand people of their own color. you have people wanting to do things off on their own. i made it now, i should not help anybody, there is no togetherness. but if we came together, the power and the strength that we unbelievablet is if we could just do it. host: let's go to troy who was calling from oso, oklahoma.

, myer: good morning brother. i am calling because this is about to be a year that is about to embark on history. embarked 100 -- we embark 100 years on the tulsa race riot. we are a great people. and what we are embarking upon right now, they are trying to take our lives, our history, they are trying to take everything, but we are coming back. and i want everybody to know we are coming back stronger than ever. i don't care what donald trump does. i don't care what the political party does. black people matter. black people matter. and we have to have a voice. host: let's go to donald calling from north carolina. good morning.

caller: good morning. when we came out of slavery, we have 4 million blacks in america -- we had 4 million blacks in america. violent actthe most against black people. these policies are the policies of the democratic party. ordaining same-sex marriage. as a christian, i could never vote for the democratic party for those two purposes. number one, killing black babies -- number one, killing black babies. hillary clinton endorsed margaret sanger. so did barack obama and other people. and so did joe biden. margaret sanger said, blacks are the weed of the world and we must did the world of niggers,

s.ws and half-breed most black people that i am a historian -- not know your history. they are drinking the plantation kool-aid. they have been voting democrat for 60 years and they are still crying about systemic racism. host: we would like to thank our callers for joining us for that segment. coming up, we will get a different perspective on yesterday's march on washington and the state of race relations in the united states. pressed up, conservative act of robinson, author of the local "coming home: how black americans will elect president donald trump." and later on ohio state history , professor hasan kwame jeffries will be with us to talk about the history of protest in the united states. stick with us. we will be right back. ♪

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trump."s really reelect we will talk to him about his perspectives and his view of the march on washington that happened yesterday. mr. robinson, good morning. guest: good morning. glad to be back on c-span. host: we thank you for being back here. i want to get your reaction to friday's 2020 march on washington on the 57th anniversary of the original march. what did you think about what happened on the national mall yesterday? guest: welcomed the i was not onre i have been depending reports in the various papers and various news organizations. it look like there was 3-5000, according -- there were 3000 to 5000. 50,000 was what the permit was for. th of the about 1/100 original march in 1963.

unfortunately, most of the rhetoric was 1/100th of the soaring and aspirational martin luther king jr., because dr. martin luther king said he had a dream. ofortunately, the march black lives matter activists and ntfs five conduct of burning down cities, looks like they are rhetoric is "-- activists and burning downuct of cities, looks like they are rhetoric is "i have a bomb." the one sister of the man who was killed in kenosha, she encouraged black men to protect their families. at that it was in direct contradiction of the really black lives matter platform plank of ending patriarchal families. on 27% of black children with

their fathers of the home. looks like we could use a little bit more. get closer to asian families, that have 84% of their fathers in the homes, because they have the highest income and the highest wealth, and all source of the needs -- economic outcomes which comes from having to parents in the home best two parents in the home. there was a gentleman who was a survivor of the shooting. i understand that it is very traumatic to have somebody shooting your classmates, but joined the ridiculous efforts to disarm law-abiding citizens. i don't understand the left. they said -- give us your guns and the police will protect you. now they are saying they want to defund the police and take our guns. that doesn't cut it.

there was some vandalism that .as done to a bridge there was a reporter pointing out that a young lady was spraying in red -- appropriate for a communist -- you have nothing to lose but your chains, which is a paraphrase of the line from the communist manifesto, the planetary it has nothing to lose but their chains. left -- we have much to country.his lose the standard of living we have make everybody poor accept the party in power, which doesn't allow any other parties. across the golden egg that yields the greatest opportunity on the history of the planet for black people or anybody else. that is why everybody wants to come to this country. if socialism is so good, why aren't folks flocking to venezuela, which is an exemplar , citizens' scarcity

revolt, and, finally, body bags. that is the 100 million dead people's history of socialism and communism around the world. unfortunately, i think the event missed the mark. certainly, putting al sharpton and dr. martin luther king jr. in the same sentence is a travesty, given his track record of fomenting violence, encouraging political violence. and i am very disappointed. one of the other things the sister of the gentleman who was shot in kenosha said was, we are not going to use violence. it is the only time i have heard the left condemn the paramilitary actions or systematic use of violence for political goals has been going on in this country as the country burns. the problem is that eventually the public, the citizens will

respond with that -- with deadly force. i don't understand. we can't be children here. if there is a shooting in a democrat city, and most shootings involving police officers that become controversial are in democrat-run cities, democrat city councils. democrat mayors control the police force. democrat prosecutors. democrat governor and attorney general, in the case of wisconsin. how is that the republicans' fault? how is that donald trump's fault? they seem to think that even 1940's andike the the 1950's and 1960's, when blacks in the south had no voting rights to speak of, or those voting rights were not enforced, white folks had voting rights and could vote out those city council members who are conducting and running those

cities to the ground, doing is substandard job of policing in their view. but instead, they want to blame the president or the republican party that have nothing to do with it. tot: what is your reaction all of the police shootings that we have seen around the nation? what is your reaction to the protests that are about -- the peaceful protests. we just heard you talk about the violence, but what is your reaction to the peaceful protest wes have seen around the country calling for investigations, prosecutions and convictions of police in the unjustified shootings? guest: i think the police should be prosecuted for unjustified shootings. it is not clear that several of the shootings were unjustified. it is clear that there is a lot up for grabs in the case of the gentleman who died in police

custody, who had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and had no hemorrhage in, which he would us you normally occurs in an autopsy with someone who was strangled. so there is a lot in play in those cases. but misconduct of police officers should be prosecuted. why democrat prosecutors in these cities run into the ground by democrats do not do that beats the heck out of me, but to blame republicans for the conduct of democratic city councils and democrat prosecutors and democrat mayors and democrat city councils is childish. they need to grow up. you have the franchise. remove those people and put people in who will do your will. but 80% of black folk do not presence.ed police now they are going through this

dance to say, defund the police doesn't really mean defund the else., it means something we believe in english. it means reduced police presence in black neighborhoods, which always results in more killings of black people by black people, more rapes, more robberies on -- and black on black crime. they want a greater police presence. you know this that is basically my view. host: we want to remind our viewers that they can join in on the conversation. we will open up the special lines this morning. if you are a supporter of the trump-pence tickets coming up this fall, your line will be 202-748-8000. if you are supporting their biden-harris ticket, we want to hear from you at 202-748-8001. if you are undecided or you

inport some other ticket, this presidential election, your number will be 202-748-8002. keep in mind, you can always and we at 202-748-8003, always reading on social media @cspanwj, and on facebook. guest: i did want to make one point, which is as vice-chairman of public safety, in the eight years on the winston-salem city council, my absolute worst day was when i sat in the meeting thee it was revealed that cops or the da or both had exculpatory evidence that would have cleared deryl hunt of a murder that he served 17 years for. the city paid him a $7 million settlement for a gentleman who

theitted suicide -- but gentleman committed suicide even though he was paid. seem toharris does not be concerned at all that she kept a guy who she had knewlpatory evidence on, that he was innocent, kept him on death row until the courts forced her to release him. that is not the way justice should be done. the mass incarceration ticket of harris-biden, probably put more black men in jail for nonviolent offenses than anybody except the apartheid government of south africa. host: actually, we have some video here of senator harris utter want to play. this is kamala harris speaking about the protests and the ongoing violence in the united states. here is what she said. [video clip] sen. harris: people are rightfully angry and exhausted. and after the murders of breonna and george and ahmaud

and so many others, it is no wonder people are taking to the streets. and i support them. we must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protesters. we should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. and, make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice. here is my promise to those mothers and fathers and all who stand with them, in a biden-harris administration, you will have a seat at the table. in the halls of congress, and in the white house. host: i want you to go ahead and respond to what senator harris said there. guest: senator harris has not

conducted herself in that fashion as attorney general. she too put 1500 people in jail for smoking brca 1 and then joked about it. sheattached joe biden -- put 5000 people in jail for smoking marijuana and then joked about it. she attached joe biden of racism and of sexual misconduct and then when asked about it, she said, laughing, that was just the debate. i don't believe the american people can believe anything that the senator has to say. host: let's talk about the title of the book you co-authored, "coming home, how black americans will reelect trump." tell us what you mean by that title. guest: as a historian, i hope you enjoy reading the book sometime. if you don't have a copy, i will send you one. of the major theme of the book , havingfor 71 years thed slavery and passing

13th, 14th, and 15th amendment, the gop enjoyed the moral high ground, vis-a-vis the democrat party, the party of slavery, jim crow laws and is paramilitary arm of the time, the ku klux klan. however, as john franklin points out, professor emeritus at duke , he pointed out that hoover, herbert hoover wanted to create a lily white republican party in the south and stop doing all the things the republican party used to do with andrd to black americans, every segregated the white house after wilson had segregated it, in hardin and coolidge had removed those segregationist policies from the white house. so, it was further complicated because republicans, while they

did support civil rights legislation, the abuse of black voters in the south continued from the 40's to the 60's, and voting rights were not enforced. the voting rights of the 15th amendment or not enforced. fdr's staff said, we cannot sell the democratic party to black voters, of whom 6 million had just left the house, including my parents in the 1930's and 1940's. personally, let's go on a charm offensive. let's do all the things republicans used to do, like invite prominent individuals to the white house -- this is after the 1932 campaign. low 30's -- it is an estimate because gallup didn't start pulling until 1935.

he's got 86% of the black vote in a stunning turnaround. republicans said, blacks will never do the republican party, lincoln.e party of but they were wrong. the charm offensive work even though the policies were still racist. many of the policies of the fdr administration left racial discrimination in place with regard to compensation of blacks versus whites, etcetera, but the charm offensive essentially worked and democrats were able to -- black voters did not become or identify majority democrat until the '48 election when truman was elected. so they sold fdr. did not try to sell the party, which would have been impossible to the citizens who left the south and became voters in the north, midwest and west. so we fast-forward through the civil rights struggle. unfortunately, the conservative movement dropped the ball and was more concerned with voting

rights for the shipyard workers than they were of my mother and grandmother, free and fair elections in indiana, which did not happen until the late 1960's and 1970's. that failure, and the reason -- well, there are several reasons why the conservative movement, bill buckley's modern conservative movement didn't work. one of them is that buckley was a segregationist. he didn't think black folks were worthy of the franchise and made fun derisively of the freedom riders. now, regardless of the union enforcer that john lewis became as a congressman -- as a young man, he was absolutely heroic and fearless. there is a vignette where

someone was sent by kennedy to tell the freedom riders not to go because someone would get and johnnd diane nash mpower said, wemu know someone will get killed, that is why we wrote our wills. the reason why conservatives or the conservatives opposed civil rights act is because for the first time, it expanded the role of federal government to regulate personal conduct. budget they had no answer for the fact that, across the south, the english, law that says you feed people who need to be fed or house people who need housing was being ignored, and without the right to vote, the best answer berkeley had was you could move. in some cases, the police forces tear upouth would

tickets and otherwise abstract black people trying to be the south. we fast-forward, and as a result without any conservative organization to press voting rights forward, the hard left did very well. in fact, they signed my mother up. my mother was an executive board member of the national student association -- national negro student association. they registered voters in the south. my mother was 1 out of 10 in her hometown. there is a great story in the book dust she was accused of being a communist by the times-picayune in new orleans, leading the good white girls ulane because they were joining the effort to register voters. my mother was not a communist,

she is a liberal democrat. and the fbi -- she has an fbi file. that was because there was no other entity other than -- and it turns out it was a communist front. the guy who ran it became the worker."buthe daily that is not why my mother joined . she wanted to register. she was appalled that the five permanent citizens in town, three business owners, a dentist and a doctor, were not registered to vote. host: let's see if we can get some of our callers. i have a lot of people who want to talk to you this morning. let me jump in really quickly and let's get some callers to ask you a few questions, ok? ron,: from with abingdon, maryland. that morning. caller: good morning. thanks to c-span. i am supporting

joe biden and kamala harris. but what i want to say is that i that the people that are having all these problems in the protests, i think these people have been planted by the republican administration. it is clear. you see the guy that killed the two people a couple of days ago, they showed him sitting up in one of donald trump's rallies. the people they arrested at the protest and then releasing them, i think the police officers know who these people are and that is why they are releasing them, because they know these people. throwing these firebombs around. there by theted in trump administration. i think they are doing this tryuse they want to show -- to make it look real bad. most of the people are protesting peacefully.

so, that is all i wanted to say. host: go ahead and respond, vern on. guest: i thank the caller for his question. i thought it was somewhat hilarious that the cnn reporter who was reporting on kenosha said that the protests were mostly peaceful, while we watched as kenosha burned in the background. burning of a black church, burning of a car dealership that had a black lives matter sign, etc.. the notion that the violence is not the hard-core left, the paramilitary arm of the democratic party, the marxist black lives matter and communist antifa, it is just laughable on its face. i invite your viewers to do a smell test. white nationalists take baths. just a smith. if it smells bad, it is probably a leftist because they haven't taken a bath. host: robert from raleigh,

north carolina. caller: hello, c-span. i am robert from north carolina, and i would like to ask mr. vernon, and i actually support the president on the little things. how doesn't understand such an intelligence person that knows history get pulled all the way to the right, or how the people get pulled all the way to the left, when we know there is no perfect party, all parties have done good and done bad toward the citizens of the united states. so my question to such an intelligence person is, why not just a on the right policies? no matter if it is coming from the left or the right? if it is right, let's promote that.

then i just wanted to say that, we are people that want to vote for the lesser of two evils. we don't even know what the lesser of the two evils are anymore. i just wanted to hear his comment. host: go ahead and respond to melbourne on. guest: i thank my fellow north carolinians for the inquiry. i'd announced the republican denouncethe most -- i the republican party as the most corrupt and the most contemptuous of the grassroots, donors most beholden to in the 36-year history there have been involved in the left the party two years ago. four months later, the former chairman,n and party robert hayes, was indicted on five felony counts of attempted

bribery of a republican official and several other things. yes, the republican party didn't learn its lesson. sometimes in the future, i major in a different party. the answer to the question is that there is really a team. there is the american teen represented by the trump republican party, and the commie team. i would offer the following achievements, and the president will just continue to do an even better job in the next four years, which he is going to win because the antifa and black ares matter marxists scaring middle americans to death by using violence for political gain. the shortlist is that, saving black babies, defunding 900 abortion facilities, most of which are located in black neighborhoods. margaret ciber is so bad her name was removed from a new york facility recently -- margaret

sanger -- because of her racist past, and the embracing of her eugenicist views by the nazis, and the killing of people who were undesirable, as she called them. continued american holocaust of slaughtering babies and selling them for body parts. on school choice, the president has pushed all forms of school choice, including trotter schools. made -- including trotter schools. made funding of historically black colleges the highest ever. -- joets are saying biden doesn't remember it because he has dementia -- but the remix ago he said we're going to eliminate all school choice options -- three weeks ago he said we are going to eliminate all school choice options including charter schools. he said we should be fun police,

than last week he said, no, i don't support the funding the police. trump does. so it is hard to take this guy seriously. with regard to the economy, the only private-sector job joe biden has ever created was for his son in the ukraine. the president has created more jobs than there are people to fill them. for the first time in 30 years, he raised wages. lowest black unemployment rate and the lowest gap between white and black unemployment rate since it has been measured in 40 years, since 1978 -- i guess that is 42 years. we had black people moving back into the workforce, 600,000 people who were so disappointed in the obama administration, they just left of the workforce and weren't counted anymore is unemployed because if you are not counted as unemployed, you

are not counted in the workforce. and finally, there was a 400% increase in black business firstps in donald trump's full year as president. with regard to securing the border and deporting criminally , democratsens can want to create sanctuary cities and leads criminal illegal aliens in our cities. they will not cooperate with i.c.e. one judge went as far as conspiring with a defendant to get him out for i.c.e. could get him. and she is going to jail democrats want open borders. that is a dagger at the heart of the black middle class. i asked viewers to take a look at your local bank. where did all the black tellers go? did they become black vice president's? no, they were replaced with spanish speakers because they

wanted to do business with the illegals. as the youn caller said, a young lady should not have to learn spanish to get a job at mcdonald's to work through college. you shouldn't have to dial 1 for english. open borders are a disaster for folks, undercutting wages and destroying black businesses. donald trump is dedicated to stopping it. a majority of native-born it,icans will no longer do which is voting for democrats. donald trump is defending the second amendment. you should be supporting the second amendment because they are burning down the country. host: let me jump in, i want to get in a little bit about the book you wrote. let me jump in real quick. i want to ask you about

something in your book. -- ifve a graph that says donald trump wins 20 or even 30% of the black vote, he will have taken a major step towards establishing the nearly unbreakable alliance black people had with the republican party for more than 70 years after the assassination of abraham lincoln. however, to do so, he must end the division that has existed between republicans and black americans since 1964. do you think it is realistic to think that 20% to 30% of black voters will support president trump, and what is that division you are talking about in that paragraph? guest: a couple of items. one, i believe the president will get 20% less of the black vote and that will form part of the basis for possibly in 1972 total blowout of the democrats

and their very scary and failed policies. the division that i talk about is, i think it was kim clay klaci who is running for congress who saidk, the democrats think black people are stupid. the mark critz think the republican party is stupid, and in some cases -- the democrats think the republican party is stupid, and in some cases, it is. after the blowout with goldwater in 1954, they said, do not committed with black people. that is the most stupid and representative republic. so the republican party largely has not communicated with black voters for 56 years. stupid,s, not being recognized that this was an opportunity to demonize the republican party and its candidates. it is called "every candidate --

it has every candidate since gor a racist. they did it for romney, mccain, bob dole. the bushes. ronald reagan. gerald ford, etcetera, to richard nixon, because it works so well with barry goldwater who had an exemplary civil rights record, and was accused of being racist by a guy who used the n-word on a regular basis, so much about his teenage daughter repeatedly used the n word to refer to her aide as in n"ere is my in a confrontation reporter to reporters. problemis the gop's big , the failure to enforce what he thees in the 40's through 60's, and the failure to

communicate at all. runuse the democrats terrorist adds like my favorite in missouri which says, vote for a democrat or another black church will be bombed. the impact of that on black voters essentially is that black voters believe that positive things come from the democratic party and negative things come from the republican party, irrespective of the party's position. kellyanne conway, who was a said, wean a poll and want to know your views on certain issues, with regard to protecting the innocent unborn, which party is able to do that? 69%, the democrat. cutting taxes, democra.

to defend your second amendment right, democrats. both a lacklegacy, of trust and a lack of communication that the gop has engaged in. we are superpac and about to spend $1.3 million in swing states making the case that the republican party defends innocent life, in the democratic party wants to continue the holocaust of black babies. the republican party believes in school choice and has passed all the school choice legislation. and the democrats have dropped the kabuki mask of playing like they want to charter schools, while trying to kill them from regulation, and now just said we are going to get rid of charter schools. that is a very dangerous position to take. 44% of the kids in charter schools in north carolina are black. in florida in 2018, the reckless democrat nominee for governor

said he would get rid of all the school choice programs. 100,000 black women said, no you not, and provided three times the census margin of victory on the school choice issue. 100,000 black women, 18% of the black female population in overall.and about 15% so if the trump administration or the trump campaign does its job and starkly draws the distinctions on these issues, and the party gets off its butt and actually -- nobody has ever sold anything at amazon without asking for the order, and the super pac's do their job, there is a chance we could get 20% of the vote. and that is a good thing. host: we need to get more callers in before the end of the segment. let's start with the james who is calling from wilson, north carolina.

james, good morning. caller: good morning. issues. couple of i am a supporter of joe biden kamala harris. i am democratic all the way possible. my thing is, number one, the areon why so many things going wrong, is, for one, in our constitutional rights, it is in the constitution that black april is nothing. that is why when why people kill nothing, that is one of the main reasons why they get off the hook. it is so ridiculous how people look at black people. everywhere we go. i was listening to a friend the other day. they were trying to get an apartment. everything is systematically set up to make a black person feel

like they are always failing. why would you go and get an apartment, it tells you, we have to check your credit. credit doesn't have anything to do with your apartment. it is another tool to discriminate against a black person. that you have president donald trump. he is a supremacist. everybody knew about this man before they elected him. they knew about donald trump before they put him in the white house. they knew that his dad was with why wouldck in -- they allow someone the donald trump to come to the white house? but is why so much violence is going on around the globe, in the schools, the churches, communities. host: go ahead and respond, vernon. guest: i thank my fellow north carolinian. of course, i don't agree with his view. the civil rights establishment -- the naacp, the urban league

sharpton,, jackson, the other eted donaldcts all f trump his entire life. regard towards with what he was doing in terms of supporting them, in creating a workplace where blacks could rise to greater heights because of his policies both on black men and black women. how you believe that the guy magically became a race just at 70 that either you believe that that is why folks were in shock for a couple of days and they would noted accept the outcome of the election. , i am waiting for the justice department investigation of the two plotters who tried to topple, mostly from the intelligence

agencies, that tried to topple the duly elected government of the united states with a phony thedossier paid for by democratic party of hillary clinton through her campaign. so, you know, i have to reject the caller's conclusions of of hand -- out of hand. i encourage him to look at the trump record with regard to black folk and make a decision there. if you want your black children to be invalid to go to any school, not one run by the teachers union, you should theort the trump ticket and candidate running for lieutenant governor in north carolina. goes to cynthia, calling from birmingham, alabama. good morning. caller: good morning. i will try to be brief as

possible. number one, with the police currently being underfunded because that next stimulus package has not, it, along with the first responders. americans,e, african are certainly not talking about the funding police. make work on policies to things better for all races, ok, there is enough money to support the police as well as have mental health care in the communities. next thing i would like to as mr. vernony -- is so supportive of black babies not being aborted, does he support changes in policies that make things better for those black babies who grow up to be african-american men? host: go ahead and respond.

today,the united states on the 29th of august, 2020, is the best place on the planet for a black man to be, in terms of educational opportunity, in terms of employment opportunity, etc. if you engage in certain misconduct, you're not going to go very far. if you graduate from high school, work at any legal job he can find and do not drop out of the workforce, get married and stay married, and don't have children out of wedlock, there is only a 6% poverty rate in that group. this is a country of unparalleled opportunity which is why anybody who can tries to come here. if we have open borders, everybody will be here. so i ask the caller to please look through your constitution, article one section eight, which

enumerates the 17 powers of the constitution and where does funding local police or mental or any of that stuff, which one is that? and the caller will be hard-pressed. host: let's see if we can squeeze in one more caller before the in the segment. . caller: ronald, calling from fayetteville, north carolina hello. caller: hello. robinson, got a little problem. hey, you know, as far as that talk on donald trump, i will never support trump. i don't support a liar. i am a military guy, over 20 something years. crap that he sales, never vote for him. black folks not being able to afford housing, two words

for you. what about gentrification and redlining? were allose overwhelmingly conducted in democrat-run cities. meme, as a military man, you and i may remember that we nuked that the sake and my favorite meme on facebook shows nagasaki flattened by an atomic , and detroit and all the other areas in the united states were a thriving metropolis. in 2020, nagasaki is a thriving metropolis and all of those democrats-run cities were run into the ground, which goes to show you that it is easier to recover from a nuclear attack on it is to have democrats running your town for 71 years. i love visiting cumberland county in fayetteville. i pulled reserve duty in the 317

wing after i got off active duty in the air force. host: we'd like to find vernon robinson, co-author of "coming home. how black americans will reelect ," for being here this morning. thank you for your time. guest: thank you for having me. host: next, we talk about how the 2020 march in washington compares to the original 157 years ago. the conversation will be with ohio state history professor hasan kwame jeffries. stick with us. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ >> american history tv on c-span3, exploring the people and events that tell the american story every weekend. coming up this weekend, today at 1 p.m. eastern, we mark the 57th

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watch live streaming and on-demand at c-span.org, or listen live on the free c-span radio app. continues. journal host: we are back and we are joined by ohio state university professor hasan kwame jeffries, who is here to give us some historical perspective on the march on washington and the rights in the united states. professor jeffries, good morning. guest: good morning. you. to be with host: thank you so much for being with us. first, let's get your impressions of yesterday's march on washington and how it original.o the guest: it was very interesting, because there are certainly a lot of parallels. certainly in terms of what was being asked of the nation as a whole, what was being asked of the government. the march on washington that we saw yesterday was essentially organized around this idea of a justice,t to racial

specifically focusing on ending police violence. think abouten we the original march on washington in 1963, we only focus on that portion of dr. king's speech that focuses on his imagining a different future, a different america, in the second half of the speech, and we don't pay attention to the first half of the speech in which he called for an and to police violence, and and and police brutality. cannot bet "we patient and we cannot rest until police violence comes to an end." in that sense, there were parallels. there were parallels in terms of demand for legislation, in this iteration on the march of washington, demanding the voting rights reforms, the john lewis act, police reforms, federal inislation, and of course, 1963, those 200,000 plus came to marshal support for what would become the 1964 civil rights act. difference, and

notable improvement, i would say, would be the presence of women. women speakers from the podium. versus inin 2020, 1963, where you did not have that representation. but unfortunately, one of the reason why you had so many women who were speaking is that so many of the women were mothers and sisters of those who had fallen victim to police violence, who had been murdered by police. so it is important to put at least that aspect of the difference into perspective. host:. is a little bit of what you wrote a few years ago about the march on washington. i want to read that to you and then we'll talk a little bit about it. you wrote -- leading the march was a call for meaningful civil rights laws. at the time, federal civil rights measures lacked teeth, prosecutorial power was limited,

and punishments for racial discriminations were light, if they existed at all. major civil rights legislation was passed before the civil rights act. but many complained that it too lacked teeth. today, it remains externally difficult to bring to justice or potatoes of crimes where racial bias and discrimination work -- bring to justice perpetrators are crimes where racial bias and discrimination were clearly at play. march?ust an anniversary guest: it is certainly more than a anniversary march. it is important to point out, there is already before the senate, major legislation to deal with the kind of policy issues that people on the ground are being animated by, the george floyd justice and policing act, the john lewis voting rights act.

these are two pieces of legislation that those who much on washington yesterday were calling for. it remains to be seen that if, certainly this legislation is being held up by a republican-controlled senate, and mitch mcconnell will not even bring it up for a vote, it remains to be seen that even if they were, what it would look like in its final iteration. certainly, under the present administration, and the present republican-controlled senate, whatever would come out of it would be less than satisfactory in terms of what people are animated for and are demanding. that is partly politics -- party politics. but i don't doubt that those who marched yesterday would not be content or satisfied with anything less than measures that fully address the issues that people are demanding. at the same time, it is important to note that even

during the original iteration of the march on washington in 1963, there were those who felt that whatever would come out of washington in terms of legislation in the civil rights act and eventually the voting rights act, would be insufficient to deal with the weres luck black folk facing. we saw that yesterday. many were like, this is more than a reform issue. we need to fully defined, to -- defund. to reimagine what america looks like. so it is a spectrum of demands and concerns. but there are real parallels in terms of what people are asking for. and although this certainly will not be the end of it, rest assured that people will continue to fight afterwards. host: we want to let our viewers join in the conversation. we will open up regional lines for this segment. that means that if you are in the eastern or central time zones, we want to hear from you 202-748-8000.

if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones, you can call in at 202-748-8001. google open up a special line for those who remember the 1963 march on washington. we want to know what you remember and what your impressions were of the 1963 march on washington. the line for those who remember the 202-748-8002. march, keep in mind, you can always text us at 202-748-8003, and we always reading on social media on twitter at @cspanwj, , and on facebook. at facebook.com/c-span. professor jeffrey's, one thing we haven't talked about yet this morning is the racial unrest going on around the country right now because of the police shooting of african-american men and women. tell us what you think about what is going on in kenosha, for

example, and the unrest going on in this country, and how it 1960's. to the guest: just like the march of washington between 1963 and today, there are parallels. there is a through line. when people are angry and upset and frustrated with the slow progressa, when they feel unheard, they will protest and demand change. what we are seeing whether in kenosha or minneapolis is not different than what we saw when people were demonstrating in the 1960's. it is important that we be clear that the vast majority of people who are taken to the streets are doing so in nonviolent ways. we cannot allow those who want asspin what they are seeing being a function of anarchy and violence and domestic terrorism, because that is certainly not the case. at the same time, we ought not whoiss out of hand those

are choosing to express themselves politically by targeting property, specific kinds of property such as those elements that are connected to the state -- federal buildings or police cars and the like. but too is political expression of frustration and rage in and that of change. i don't think we should be cavalier about dismissing that were lumping it together. we should look at the full spectrum and take people seriously and listen to what they are saying and what they want. host: do you think protesting is still effective in this day and age? we have a lot of people who talk about moving from protesting to politics. but is protesting even effective anymore? guest: absolutely. we have already seen some of that effectiveness already just within the last couple of months. from memorial day to the present, we have actually seen, if you go by the crowd-counters of the "new york times," they

produced a nice piece in july, you are talking about 25 million americans have taken to the streets in just a couple of days in june. with this being the largest protest in american history, they are occurring right now. as a result of that, we have democrats in congress, in control of the house of representatives, putting forward police reform legislation. it is important as well not just to look at what is happening at the federal level but also look at the local level, the ways in which cities have already reimagined and begun to at least talk about reallocating resources away from overly-funded police departments and disturbing that the social services and schools and the like. you have universities, university of minnesota, saying that they are going to sever their relationship with the police department in minneapolis. that was unheard of and unthinkable an until people

took to the streets. protest is still a viable and effective. it is important to put pressure on elected officials. you can't move from protest to politics and have effective politics, unless you have effective protest, and that can take many forms. host: i have seen several of our social media followers ask. your older brother is congressman hakeem jeffries of new york and chairs the house democratic caucus. how often do you t get together and talk aboutwo politics? guest: congressman jeffries is a busy man. [laughter] i am fortunate, he has been kind enough to share with me his personal phone number. [laughter] so when things come up, i am entitled to text the congressman and to get his thoughts. we talk as much about politics as we do about sports. but here, again, there is an intersection between sports and

politics, and we do get to share ideas and whenever time allows. let's go to the phone lines. let's go to regina from norfork, virginia. you for taking my call -- thank you for taking my call. i loved the march yesterday. it brought back a lot of memories about my own father, talked to me about a lot of things after that march. i even had to talk to my own children about the things that were going on. going back to what i remember from that time, i remember malcolm x. retrospect, he was absolutely right. you need to go to the u.n. with this. this is a human rights

violation. you don't have police in those cities. you actually have a situation where you have gang wars. blackpeople are calling people like they are calling a herd. then there is a situation with this coronavirus. there is no testing. you don't know what black people are actually dying from, but you know they are dying. there is no difference between what is going on with people and the coronavirus and the people who are being gassed and a lot of these things. you have a government who will not take any serious responsibility. they are cutting off everything. you don't have any outside people to actually test to say what is going on with this coronavirus.

go ahead and respond, professor jeffries. guest: what we are actually seeing is human rights violations. we are not talking about one or two bad actors or apples, we are talking about systemic racism and the ways policing it self is a violation of basic civil rights and human rights. banner did raise the that racial discrimination and segregation was a fundamental human rights violation, but it wasn't just malcolm. presentamericans to the have not only advocating for also rights, reforms, but for gaining basic civil rights granted by government also basic human rights. there is nothing in the constitution that says anything about decent housing or

education or equal pay, fair wages, but these are all human rights issues that african-americans have been and continue to advocate for and organize around. have a couple versions of this question that i will ask my social media followers and i want you to respond both about now and in the past. this one twitter follower wants to know -- how much of the violence and property damage in kenosha and other places is because of white supremacy provocateurs and can your guest talk about the possibility of wingnce from right agitators and playing into the hands of trump's be afraid mantra. there is someone who is thinking those are from outside, perhaps right wing provocatuer's peer

what you think about that theory and that happened -- provocatuers. -- do youu think think that happened? guest: there are white provocatuers who are infiltrating the crowds during the night to promote violence, who are stirring violence and engaging in violence. we saw that lead to literal murder. i am not talking about the militia gangs specifically targeting african-americans and activists, but what we saw in oakland, california. a white supremacist killing people in the name of black lives matter. we know for a fact in the current moment that you have, and has been social media documentation of this, white organizations who are using the

cover of nonviolent protests to destroy property to attack and engage in violence into blame african-americans, blame black lives matter protesters for this. there is certainly a major element of that here. you have always had that when it comes to the african americans in the struggle. in the past, it was different s towhite provocatuer infiltrate because they were fewer white people willing to take to the streets. the context was slightly different. you still had african-americans who were sent in to infiltrate by the police for various reasons. it has always been an element of provocatuersand

any time people have taken to the streets and fight for justice, and we are seeing that this time. and because you have these white supremacist groups who are organized and there are more white folks in solidarity taking to the streets, so it becomes harder to distinguish one group to the other. host: let's go to john from new york. good morning. caller: good morning. time i went to the march in washington. was politically active, suggested to me and my brother that we go. and at the time we were living in the bronx. i remember it being a very hot day. quite polite and

it was almost like going to church, that feeling. people were there best. really am proud of what i saw yesterday and i wanted to say something about that. host: go ahead and respond. guest: it is interesting, because one of the reasons why 1963arch on washington in appeared as it did is because it was very planned and coordinated. march, theers of the proverbial big sick sixnizations, -- big organizations, were aware that you could not bring 250,000

black full and their allies to washington, d.c. and them not burn down washington, d.c. it was not a prediction for a great day. the prediction was for violence to overtake the streets. the organizers worked very hard at controlling. they knew that was never going to happen, but the messaging was there. hardrganizers worked very to control the messaging and to make sure that people looked respectable and engaged in these politics of respectability. that was very much a factor of the performative aspect of the march on washington. after the march was over, the headlines across the nation's were not like folk -- black folk come and demand justice and freedom and labor and jobs. it was black full didn't destroy

d.c. let's go to robert, who is calling from aurora, indiana. caller: i think i and the first white person who has called in this morning. first of all, i don't believe in protests and marching. i believe if people want to get this country straightened out, is get together and go into the the black,talk to white, red, whatever color they are, and get this straightened out. i would have every policeman country and see what these people come up with. it is nothing but destruction. our country is being destroyed by you guys always talking about racism. i love what people.

i am 83 years old. i dead and brother served this country. they fought for this and you guys want to always say it is the white people that are killing the black. it is the black killing the black. if you had been a black cop that sit on this guys knee, where would we be today? it would be a lot different situation. it is hard to imagine that you could be american and not embrace protest. of nation was born out protest. the american revolution was nothing but protest.

the question of policing is not colorblind. we saw, for example, that in new york and nypd. that the nypd has been engaged in police violence when people take to the streets paired the ind is the most multiracial, the u.s. it is not black and white in that instance, it is black and blue. it is important to separate that that this is a question of policing. this is bad actors. it is not black or white it is because the policing has been so bad in regard to the

african-american community. --t: i will redo the tech text we got. this person said mlk was a conservative republican who opposed democratic policies. mostly peaceful is an interesting way to say violent and instructive. more damages have been done to minority businesses across america due to riots in any other national disaster. respond to that. guest: that is false. that is not even hard. conservativesto trying to blame her and let the king -- martin luther king for themselves. the time get to the mid-1960's, martin luther king is clearly here comes the word people don't like, a democratic-socialist. he said, how can you have the richest nation in the world and still have so many people in

poverty? he said we cannot continue to engage in these wars of imperialism and destruction. critiqueid he have a of democratic policies? wasn'tt his critique that they were problematic that -- his too far, he critique was they didn't far enough. whoave two be clear about they were and what they believe. it is clearly not a secret because they said what they believe. we just have to read the text and we would have a better idea of who he was and what he believed. --the time he was murdered believed at the time he was murdered in 1968. att: you may want to look

other cities that were earned where others were lost in the past. let's go to john from greensboro, north carolina. good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: just fine. -- hakim. i love him. guest: he is my older brother. i am sure that i am my mama's favorite. we will leave it at that for today. host: i have to mention the great poster behind you as i bring up sports and the activism we have seen over the last week or so behind the kenosha shooting. we have seen activity from the wnba, major-league baseball, the national hockey league.

what message does that send that major fractional sports leagues are now talking and taking some action toward what is going on in america right now. moment really a historic when we think about sports. we have seen individual athletes -- protest over the decades, so that is not particularly new. what is new is the number and how widespread it is, and the fact that the professional organizations, professional leagues in which they play are taking a stand on behalf and backing up the athletes. that is fundamentally different. what the athletes are saying, whether it is the view nba, is that we will not entertain why are people die in the streets. that is powerful and there leagues are standing behind them

for the most part. that is new. this is within the last couple of months. just four years ago when colin kaepernick to the simple act of protest and took a knee, you cannot find a job after that. the fact that we moved from being blacklisted and then colluded against not get a job to the league taking a stand in support of the athletes is nominal. the baltimore ravens came out with a very strong statement. the ravens as an organization or talking about the need to pay attention to the legacy of slavery and racism and calling for expanding voting rights. and it a powerful moment is yet to be determined where it takes us, but i know we can't go back in the athletes are not

going back to the moment of silence. the time for that is over. talk to barbara from oklahoma city, oklahoma. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm a little nervous. i have a few things to say. i keep hearing about these two people jump has let out of the risen, and i have never heard anyone -- out of prison, and i have never heard anyone say that obama let out 300 from prison. he came to oklahoma and he is the first president to visit the prison and talked to the black people. some of them were white but most were black. i was so proud of him for doing of them sayingk

he helped what people. has had to pay a legal. he had to pay $25,000 to illegals. he won't pay them and thinks they can't get money. it was 20 years they work for him and they finally got their money this year. he is acting like he closed the border. he has that border open for his businesses. they are streaming through. he has done it one than anyone. an education, wanting let to pay for charter schools. do you think that poor people can pay for going to school for their kids? respond,ahead and professor jeffries. guest: the president of the

united states is playing a very unique kind of racial politics, he says he has done more for black folks than any other president. in a month, i wouldn't be surprised if he said himself he signed the emancipation proclamation. we have to be careful what he says around race, because he is using these kinds of racial claims for being progressives to overshadow the horrendous politics that he played when it comes to race and sewing racial division and using racism as a little rallying by. he signed legislation but was not the author for providing additional funding. but let's meet clear and put it in perspective that there are far more things that need to be and fart he hasn't done more horrible things that he has

done that he isn't standing up for and claiming credit for. host: civil rights activist clarence anderson presented his own perspective on what the administration has done for african-americans during the republican national committee last week. >> politicians are a dime a dozen. the leaders are priceless. gaveunding that trump hbcus and so is the number of jobs you gave for the black community. the investment and tax incentives and opportunity zones, and so are the lives that heat saved bypassing criminal justice reform, where 91% of the inmates released our black. these achievements demonstrate that donald trump truly cares about lack lives. -- black lives. he has done more for black americans for 40 years then joe

four has done in 50 -- in years then joe biden has done in 50. that embraces the spirit of the civil rights movement of the 60's, a place where people are judged by the content of their character, talent, and ability, not by the color of their skin. host: i want you to respond to what he said. guest: i appreciate mr. henderson and his commitment to civil rights. but in so many ways he is wrong and the spin coming from what he is saying needs to be slowed down. it is clear that the trump administration inherited an economy that was surging upward and he doesn't acknowledge that in any way, shape, or form.

theyetends as though brought into being this american economy and they pretend as though the inaction on the part of the top administration to slow things down and respond that has led to the collapse of the economy and the surging employment numbers has somehow nothing to do with the policies or lack of policies that the trump administration took. you can't have it both ways and you can't take credit for an economy they inherited. it is important to went out the question of policing or incarceration. america has an incarceration problem that was born of the republican party, starting with nixon and reagan with the war on drugs that was exacerbated. , they the clinton years began to increase funding for policing and expanding policing.

there is enough wrong to go around on both sides. let's be clear that momentum had shifted by the time trump had taken office, partly as a result of the great recession and people realizing it makes no sense to spend billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars not -- locking up nonviolent drug offenders when in many instances, those who find themselves misusing or addicted to substances need medical help rather than imprisonment. trumpf those kings that wants to claim credit for, if you will, are things he more or less inherited and was certainly not initiated. he is a showman and he likes to hang his hat on these one or two high-profile things and an immigration ceremony, when the

is, that hey reinstituted the federal government moving in terms of prisons, moving towards prison privatization which the obama administration had moved away from. you have to look at the whole picture and not just the snapshot of the candy that trump tosses out to soothe the ache we may have in our souls. host: i am going to ask you this western, because i have seen several versions -- this question, because i have seen several versions of it on our social media. it is a question related to the protests over the shooting of unarmed lack men and women in the united states. -- unarmed black men and women in the united states. when is a police officer justified in using lethal force on a black man? guest: when that officer's life

is in danger. it is not just about a black man . when can an officer use lethal force? when that officer might end in danger, when there is a credible threat. the problem is the officers are using lethal force when it is not a legitimate credible threat to their lives. it is not like they can't do it. they do it all the time. they apprehend white men who are armed and murderers and have killed people peacefully doubt using violence themselves. it is not that they can't do it, they do it all the time, something gets triggered when they see african-americans that there is a sense of threat or they don't recognize them and resort to coward acts of violence. when there is a real threat to

one's life, then the courts have said the use of lethal force is justified. too many police are resorting to lethal force when it is clear that there is no threat. the fact that you can shoot an african-american man seven times , and the fact that you can do that when there is no credible threat, that is problematic. so many people are saying, this with lawst doing away , just abolishing laws. this is about getting the police to actually police in fair and adequate ways so they actually protect and serve rather than doing harm. host: that's get some more calls. let's start with anna from

texas. caller: morning to both of you. -- good morning to both of you. televisions where people put them on layaway and got them out. i lived in the country in the community would come to whoever's home who had a tv and we would watch it, the family, and the neighbors, everybody. we knew after the march that the ku klux klan was going to rise. the part that bothers me when you asked the question about the march yesterday, the march had a bunch of screamers. not anybody who is coming up with any type of ideas on how we are going to ourselves -- we first have to look at ourselves. that is what martin luther king was talking about. his granddaughter was cute, but

the one thing was that president johnson put out the great society. asking -- they were asking come of this great society and what is great with us? we can't get jobs or loans. grandson, who is 20 years old and who is a policeman. the reason he came -- became a isiceman after he graduated because my 25-year-old nephew was killed in iraq and really recognized and i called a senator, and yes, people were republican. jeffries,e thing mr. that you have to stress, we were republicans before we were democrats. those sort ofwas

like donald trump took over the party, completely. 54% -- because, i attended a segregated school. our teachers made us write about what we have seen and what we have heard. nowadays, it doesn't happen. host: we will get you to respond before we run out of time. guest: there was a lot there. about the points was party politics and clearly we know that african-americans have switched parties over the years. but the core truth that has always driven ever can american political decision-making -- african-american political decision-making was who was going to be texting civil rights and extending human rights. when that was the republican party, african americans were in the republican party and when it

was the democrat party, they switched over and they are still there because the republic and party does not offer them which would help them move forward as a community. people have to take personal responsibility. black folks have always burden.ed the we are not assumed that black folks haven't been doing the work. they have been always doing the work and been called upon and had no choice but to do the work. freeing the government, local, and national to provide services and protection to its citizens, which what folk are. from one last call roswell, new mexico. debbie, good morning. caller: i know this is short and

i will ask the question straight out. book about the -- system in the united states. how do we get rid of this system that was created from day one in the united states by skin color by the europeans who came here with a country that doesn't believe the system exists? guest: the first thing that we have to understand is that race as a construct is not real. there is no significant difference between anybody in the world when it comes to their dna on what is on the inside. so race biologically is meaningless. but socially it is meaningful, because over the last 500 years in global history, we have used race to create a hierarchy in our society. because of that, we can't ignore it. we use race in america as a

stand-in for cultural heritage and inheritance. race is very meaningful in that way as well. we have a problem of racism in the society, because we have used it to structure our society. that doesn't mean in order to get rid of it that we can pretend it doesn't exist, because we use it as a stand-in for culture. we can't fall into the .olorblind trap when we say as a society that we need to get colorblind, no, we need to recognize and appreciate and celebrate the racial heritage and culture, we just don't need to discriminate against people on race. the latest -- get rid of the racial class this to him is to celebrate the race but celebrate people's cultural inheritance and then do away the ways in which racism has been

embedded in our system and structures. bad actorsout -- how it perpetuates we need to change the ways we have created inequality in our lives and in our political systems and structures, then we can move forward to where that more perfect union. host: we would like to thank hasan kwame jeffries state.fessor at ohio thank you so much for your time. guest: it has been an honor and pleasure. host: we will go back to phone lines and we will talk to african-americans only about what you think about the state of civil rights in the u.s.. we will be right back. ♪

on tuesday, treasury secretary steven mnuchin urgent need for additional coronavirus economic relief for children, workers, and families, and the implementation of key stimulus programs approved earlier this year. watch beginning at 1:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, on at at c-span.org, or listen live on the c-span radio app. "washington journal" continues. host: we are talking to african-american viewers this morning about what they thought about the march on washington and what they think about the state of civil rights in the united states. if you are under 50, like myself, your number is going to 748-8000.

if you are over 50, we want to hear from you at (202) 748-8001 if you have pacific memories of the march, --(202) 748-8001. of thehave memories march, we are going to open up a . we are always reading -- open up a new line. we are always reading on social media. the new york times had a story about the march yesterday through a direct line between the march on friday and the original arch 57 years ago by talking to the son -- original march 57 years ago by talking to martin luther king's son.

>> standing where martin luther king laid out a vision between white and black people, his son talked about police brutality and violence targeting black americans. we must never forget the american nightmare of racist violence exemplifies with a ander on this day in 1955 the justice system failed to convict his killers. martin luther king iii spoke to thousands. 65 liters we still struggle for justice. dismantling mass incarceration and declaring that black lives matter, king said. we want to know what you have to say. ebe.re talking to b

caller: black lives matter. what they don't understand and my question is, they are saying they need training. what kind of training to the policeman need? at training is really concerning and i don't understand hearing it from the elected officers. it is mind blowing. i wanted to say i liked the march yesterday. the other thing i wanted to say , the african-american that yesterday- that spoke wantthat people who don't to take themselves, they should

be ashamed of themselves. allison, i understand where she is coming from. i don't know how much they got tod to stand on the others biggot.r this big it -- this other guy lies. be ashamede should of himself. ist: let's go to annette who calling from harrisburg, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: i am so proud of the fact that after dr. martin luther king's death that the torch has gone to the younger folks. there are many had the ability to think, act, and respond in a

way that will make all of us proud. i am trying to recall the young woman who had the fire in her voice who said we are not going to allow this to continue any longer. people who wasse active during the time of the poor people's march and resurrection city, i could go into that. i sat with a group of us from harrisburg, three tractor-trailer loads of nonperishable items, such as , blankets,oducts nonperishable items, and things others had not thought of before they had the tents and so forth. what annoys me is -- we forget one thing.

those folks that lived in the house did not see the need to fight for the union. they fought for the confederacy. so don't be at all surprised when you have all these nice, glorious things coming from presidentsee what our has done for the black community , the black nation, those who live in the united states. towe had not had the ability look through the foolishness and then expect more of the same, i hate to say it, those who don't understand our need to show up because my vote don't count know how. i am hearing foolishness such as that. i am just grateful for those who came, made a point to show what is going on in that sense

disturbed me of all the folks who have lost lives. callingt's go to duane from boynton beach, florida. caller: i appreciate the opportunity. there is a lot to be said and it is sad we have to go through what we are going through, even after those people have killed our forefathers and hand and murdered and raped, and now they are doing the same to the offspring. we have to keep fighting, no doubt. pay moreave to attention also to our own community and stop the hate and killing in our own community, regardless of how long this takes to create laws that the dvernment shows not to give a amn about us like people we still have to learn to stop killing ourselves because that is going on in every black neighborhood.

it is almost that we are immune to our own killing of each of their peer that is wrong, man. host: let's go to gilbert from birmingham, alabama. caller: thank you for c-span. as a 70-year-old man living in you knowm, and if anyone who was black in birmingham you know they experienced it, what we have is generational trauma that is being suffered in the black community because of the perpetual humiliation that has been allowed by the government of this country. , imagineugh the years -- 400ed doors, four of imaginene 800 doors and

400 white people in front and 400 four blocks. occasions -- for the caucasians, they wouldn't be locked and would be wide open. but for the blocks, there would be locks on them. kevin from go to louisville, kentucky. caller: find it funny that we are still fighting for civil-rights. for the democrats, we are there salvage voting block. more,k we need to ask for worked and ancestors we still have the same talking points. we need our reparations because

this is our country. host: let's go to lynn who is calling from washington, d.c. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think the major component missing from this march and the original march is the spirituality component. i am a 45 years old. there was a lot of yelling and screaming which and up being unproductive. as a young african-american, i have four degrees and no student loans and i paid at dollar for dollar. all of my friends received some sort of assistance. we all have jobs inking from spiritually based backgrounds. this has been really fortunate generations. from the we benefited 1960's but there was a spiritual component that was not there

yesterday. there was a lot of anger and it is going to come back and hurt blacks because a lot of blacks will vote conservative this time. host: let's go to diane in st. paul, minnesota. march: i thought the yesterday was excellent. i was there. i made the trip from st. paul. it regenerated me. the 1960's, i was 13 years old and i didn't have the money to go, but i watched it. this was even better, because i could take part in it. there were a lot of people who were angry, but i liked the control and there was no violence or looting. before.been here

it is what dr. martin luther organizations were asking for is the civil rights. forn say had it not been what was done in 1964, my family would not have gotten out of poverty. over the years, those have diminished, or we could once grab a hold of education. were was a time when we told to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps but you can't pull your self up when you don't have any boots. when the march came in 1964. ist: let's go to georgia who calling from louisiana. caller: good morning.

how are you doing? host: i am fine. go ahead. caller: what we have now is very unusual. the republicans are the old democrats with the bad behavior. the democrats now are the new democrats. we need to stand together to get this off, because he is talking about taking away social security and medicare and medicaid, which we would lose everything that we worked for. you need to stand with the democrats. heat will take everything from us. -- he will take everything from us. host: i want to make sure you are ok after the hurricane through -- came through louisiana. did you survive? e.ller: we did fin

just a little bit of rain peered we had some prayers going on -- rain. we had some prayers going on. host: let's go to mike. mention twonted to things from scripture peered when the pharaoh had the children of israel enslaved in that, hery, with all did not want to free those people. it took for them to be destroyed by god's hand for those people to become free. i think what people of color need to do in this country is stop begging the white man to give us this and that, give to yourself. we are a free people. there is college and online learning. take people from the

streets and dignify them and start working with each other to build an institution for ourselves and stop trying to bag your enemy to give you some -- eg your enemy to give you something. this country was built to be structurally oppressive for those you want to keep down. it is not like they don't know what is going on. it is in their history, and we know. brenda: fromo to north carolina. caller: i am happy to be on. and i remember, i was a little girl when i watched the march. what i don't understand is, we all marched together peered we all pray together. why don't we buy from black businesses? we run and bike everything from y everythingn -- bu

from the white man. how do you expect somebody else to respect you? we prayed together and go to church together, but start buying from your own people as our people can have. stop begging the white man. of white friends, but i tell any of them, i am not begging you all for nothing. to delante from washington, d.c. caller: the think about the 1963 march was these people paved the way to be where we are now. they went through the segregation. the current march was cool and great, but i believe that is as black people need to start

working on ourselves, our families, play the white people's game. raise your children up to be politicians, lawyers. put them in a position to make a difference and have a great platform to make a difference, instead of laming and laming and blaming- blaming and and blaming. host: go to olivia from alabama. theer: i would like to say young lady that said that the people looked so angry yesterday. after 57 be angry years the same thing is going on. it is time for us to wake up. , we had king marched

black men stepping up. we have a lot of black men not doing the job. these black men knowing trump called them dogs. you are telling me that is not racism. look at the criminal justice system. man was handcuffed to a bed paralyzed from the waist down. who shot him walked away without punishment. wake up. al in let's go to maryland.

are you there? val from long island, new york. caller: what a pleasure it is to talk to you. your question was to ask for --yes, i am here. i had an opportunity to watch the march yesterday and it was amazing. i am a great supporter of rev. al sharpton. to have so many people support the march was amazing. there were things that we would like to see differently. we are going through a pandemic. but here is something i would like to say -- it is very difficult to hear people call in and say they are supporting trump currently.

here is someone who wants to do your harm. regardless of what those politics are, he wants to do you harm. there is no way you can say i'm going to follow trump because of the ideology. if you understand what -- whattive conservatism is, that means they don't want you there. is there anything we can do, please continue to vote and make sure we can get congress and senators who will actually allow some of these things to happen. host: let's go to lynn from columbus, ohio. i was calling for a couple of reasons. ondad was at the marches washington and his photos are in

the library of congress and i discovered them after he died. part of it is looking at the photos and how many people came from all walks of life and faiths to participate. so the hope for me is when i saw the protests around george floyd death, that there are as many if not more white people who are like, enough is enough. the thing i find distressing is it just keeps happening. every day you turn on the news and another black man has been shot and you still here people saying, why didn't they comply? it was a collar or dr. caller orho said -- a dr. jeffries who said that white

people get arrested every day and don't get shot in the back. on some level, it feels like there are still people who think we should be lynched. host: let's go to eleanor in fayetteville. say,r: i just wanted to the march was meaningful. the event should have been virtual. , thethe thing going on more we do to elevate him, are. we need to unite. moreou unite with understanding. there is the fact that we have a ruwe are trying to save people's lives. we are trying to unite the party again. march, but like

the young lady said, there was screaming. him, buton, i love they are sitting with no masks on. that is no way to continue to move forward. tot: let's call -- let's go darrell calling from cleveland, ohio. c-span i am so proud of for what you have done over the years. in relationship to the march, i think america needs to listen to the commercials with a top about abused animals and replace the words animals with black people and people of color. think about how sensitive you need to be to your own brothers and sisters and continue to empower ourselves and support

black businesses. more than ever, be supportive of each other as human beings and get trump of the office. to bric in talk springfield, illinois. caller: i have been watching your show for a long time. three years ago, there was a black woman who called in and referred biblically that when people wanted the king, they got a king. this is where we are in the united states or they want a king. tosha calling to from buffalo, new york. caller: good morning. after the civil war, black people were promised 40 acres and a mule, why? black people to truly be free, we had to have an

economy and be self-sufficient. we never would get the 40 acres and a mule and that is why we are in the condition we are in today. if we can't be self-sufficient and call on our own selves to do things to lift us up, we will never be free, and we are not free because we have never been given reparations. all the marching is not going to change anything. thank allould like to of our callers, guests, and viewers were being with us for this addition of "washington journal." join us tomorrow at 7 a.m. for a new show. 7:00 a.m. for a new show. we will see you again tomorrow morning. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.

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