he has spent his entire career on the wrong side of history. >> our current president has failed in his most basic duty to the nation. he has failed to protect us. he has failed to protect america . my fellow americans, that is unforgivable. the first presidential debate is tuesday, september 29, at 9 p.m. eastern. watch live coverage on c-span. watch live streaming and on-demand at c-span.org. or listen live on the free c-span radio app. karen: improving police and commy relations." guest: it's great to be her, how are you? host: i'm well, thank you. and you tell our audience, unfamiliar with

your background. guest: i'm an alumni of the fbi citizens academy and part of a civilian office of police accountability in chicago. i have also done a couple town policeetings in chicago departments and had a privilege of speaking in virginia with seven different police departments, as well as harrisburg. book,so the title of your because it deals with improving issues of police and community relations. how would you characterize those relations as they stand today? [laughter] guest: if anyone has two eyes, two years and half a brain, they can see the relationship is very strange. police and community relations are probably at an all-time low. it will require solutions. host: would you say the status or the range of relationship has always been the same for many years and is only different this

year because of recent events? what has changed over time? guest: the reality is, if you understand history, history believes the black community relations were always trained militia goese or out to see [inaudible] so that relationship has always been strained. i think what we see now is because we have cell phones and see it on a weekly basis. i think it has been here all along but now we can see it. once you can see something, you realize how bad or good it is. host: so when you say the word stop as suggested in your title is accurately -- actually an accurate them -- actually an acronym. supporttop stands for the teaching of principles. my company has provided mentor programs for over 35,000 youth

in chicago and support -- in florida. this whole tension between police and community will be eliminated. students cover 70 to 80% of all suspensions. -- 70% to 80% of all suspensions. the police force is 20% of the police officers. so there's a correlation between the work we are doing and what i'm seeing now in the real grown-up world. just like we can fix it in the schools, we can fix it in the police department. host: as far as a specific principle, what is the overriding principle amongst the suggestions and advice you give. guest: that is a great question. integrity, trust, honesty, open

and honest communication, those are the principles we teach as --l as if they operated with those principles, you would 100 percent reduce the likelihood of someone getting shot unnecessarily. host: we live in an age where there is a debate going on as far as taking budgets from turningorces and maybe them into social officers. is that what you are advising and if that is the case, how does that work best? guest: defunding is one of the reform strategies. i'm not necessarily for police defunding, but i am for stricter accountability. i'm not for forcing -- funding these choices -- forces. they have a pattern of shooting

unnecessarily at citizens, a pattern of doing many different things that officers are not sworn to do. in those particular cases, if those agencies are not upholding their oath, we should look at how they are funded, do we need more social workers on the force? do we need to restructure how they are being funded, because i don't think anyone in their be fundingwe should criminal organizations that have badges to enforce unnecessary practices in communities. host: criminal organizations that have badges, what do you mean by that? guest: what i mean by that is simply this, i believe the majority of law enforcement officers are decent people. i still believe that. i also believe there are elements. some people say it is about 10% on fox but i believe it is closer to 20% or more. if you have 20% of your

officers engaging in patterns and practices that demonize the community, profiles the community, then we are paying the salaries of law enforcement officers that are destroying communities. many neo-nazis and white supremacist organizations have infiltrated law enforcement, so if that police officer is showing up to me, i mean no harm to anyone, and they are going to either kill, destroy, or figure out a way to destroy me, i don't think we should be funding them, and they are a liability to the american public. host: dwayne bryant joining us, book, and youhis can call us on the lines. (202) 748-8000 for the eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific time zones, and if you are a member of law enforcement, (202) 748-8002.

you can also text a set (202) 748-8003. i'm sure there have been a lot of books and studies on this issue. what made you, and why did you want to enter into this issue? guest: here the answer to that. i was at a workshop in chicago on the south side with fourth, fifth, and sixth graders. i asked a set -- a simple question, if you are on the court in a police officer came up to you, what would they -- what would you do? they said run. i said why would you run? because they said we don't want to get shot, harassed, or stopped from going home. toa grown man talking fourth, fifth, and sixth graders, i realize we have a major problem. when i was a child, i did not have that level of fear but did not see what they see on a weekly basis with law enforcement. so what can i do?

havebeen working -- i been working with young people so what can i do to ensure they do not have to have that fear for the rest of their lives? also, i know a lot of great officers. my father was a police officer. i also want to represent the great men and women in blue that are doing a wonderful job whose name was also stained on what is going on. had: at an early age, you an encounter with police that i suppose shaped what you do today. guest: sure, i have a police encounter. my brother and i, my father left at two years old, we would run after school, jump on some of the students, and bring the bikes back. we jumped on a couple bikes that were brand-new, and when the child came out, they called their parents, police were looking for the people that stole their bikes. as we were headed back to the

school, the police put their sirens on behind us and said what are you guys doing? we said hey, officer, we are writing some friends bikes. what are the names of your friends? the names? we didn't know so he said those bikes are stolen. we said they are not stolen, we are just writing. my mom said what is going on? the police officers that ma'am, your children have stolen these bikes. if you're black and your mom gives you that look, you know that look. we were more afraid of her. she gave us that look and said, we didn't take anything. she said who's bikes are these? i said ma'am -- he said ma'am, i want to make sure your sons don't steal again. she said officer, please don't put your handcuffs on them and put them in the car. he said how are you going to stop them again? interesting,hing

he said i don't want you to beat your children. she said i'm going to beat them before you beat them with a billy club or shoot them in the back. and we are, what? why would we get shot in our back for writing bikes? , but everyave a clue child in america, black, white, or hispanic knows exactly what my mother was talking about. about seven different encounters i've had with law enforcement. i tell them what happens, but then i talk about what would have happened if my brother and i had jumped off the bikes and started running. what would have happened if my mom was rude and belligerent and started cussing the office out, what if this police officer was a racist and wanted to dehumanize us? everyone is responsible for the police encounter. police are not the only ones responsible. he have a responsibility as well.

however, they have the majority of the responsibility because they are trained and are swarmed -- sworn -- and have sworn to protect and serve in the law. chapter four, because of that encounter, it was a demonstration i participated in. was int encounter indiana and that went viral, that is what the book is about. host: let's go to calls from california starting us off. harold, go ahead. caller: i talk to a lot of police officers through the years and a lot of the fatal police shootings are due to the way they are trained, coming down from the top, the mayor supervisors, district attorney and everyone else, they are taught to shoot if they are going to pull a gun, because of liabilities and settlements, and

liabilities, they have to pay more so they are shot to -- they are taught to shoot twice in the torso and one in the head. this is what i've heard from a lot of officers. down just -- this comes from the top and so much of this is getting laid out on the officer. code because they have a that they probably don't want to say but that is the way it is, that they are trained at the academy to shoot like that if they will draw their weapons, because they do not want a liability. the city does not want a liability. host: harold in california, think you. guest: here's what's about that. say ife officer did you're going to pull your gun, you don't do it to brandish it or show it off or issue the threat, you pull it to neutralize the threat, and you continue shooting until the threat is neutralized.

so i hear what he is saying, and a two to the chest want to the head sounds like a jason bourne movie. most of these police officers don't you that well to start with, but now they will hit you in the head? let's go back to what he said, the liability portion. in chicago, from 2004 to 2020, $1cago paid out nearly billion in police misconduct. if i'm black, white, any race and i know my taxpayer dollars are going to pay $1 billion because police are not trained properly, shooting at moving vehicles, using on tactical, unsound police practices in discharging their firearms, that is a problem, but i agree that it is not so much on the officers. we have to look at the police departments, chiefs, and the unions. the unions get paid to shield

and protect their police officers, no matter how terrible of a police officer they are. some police officers need to be fired. i will say it again, some police officers need to be fired. they are not fit for the force and are more a liability in these communities than a asset. when a police department that serious about those police departments, one had over 17 complaints and murdered someone in chicago. he had dozens of complaints, so why are those police still on the force? because unions protect them. i talked to police chief's that want to get rid of police officers as may times as they can. host: akron, ohio, james is up next. caller: before i want to make a statement, there is one thing i do not understand that i hear most of the time, and most of the time it is white people that have not had any confrontation with the police. they always say most people who

get shot get shot because they do not obey the orders of the police. the thing about that, the tone of voice the police use when they talk to black people, when they pull you over or whatever the situation is, is far different than the way they talk to white people. i have been present in both situations with the white gentleman that happened to be riding in the backseat, being the only black in the car. they let us go with a warning, but the way they approached it was different. when they come to the black person car, they come with a belligerent type of an attitude, so automatically, if you are man, and i don't care what race you are, there is a tone of voice. you don't just talk to another man like he is a kid. so you owe them a little bit of respect, but here's the statement i want to make about the police is that i have a

couple good friends in the police and a niece that is a policeman and a grandson that is a policeman. firsthand, about the situation, what goes on in the department, and they are not going to cross the line, as far as telling what went on in the situation. they will take the one guy they know will make the kind of report they want, and that is the person in charge of making the reports. host: let me stop you there and i apologize for that. we have to get more calls in but take what james has brought to the table and go ahead. guest: james is right on point. we've all seen the videos of the white guy jumping at a police car, fighting with two police officers, grabs the billy club, is the police officer, then takes the police car and drives down the street, the whole time the police are stop, wait.

if that was my black behind, i guarantee you i would have two bullets to the chest, one to the 12 more. about they treat white people different. implicit bias, that is what most police departments are starting to understand. everyone treats people differently the way you were raised or brought up. there are police officers afraid of white people and they are a blackity in neighborhoods. police officers that are inherently racist, as many are, we really have to know who these police officers are. there's another point made at the end. i have to start writing things down and 50 now so the memory is not what it used to be. host: we will go to joe. , new jersey.k

caller: i want to say, respect and comply. ok, sounds like that was it. is two beautiful words why people love to use. all you have to do is respect and comply. that is absolutely true and absolutely foolish. comply withtile did everything the police officer he said io do, and have a firearm and the police officer said get it and show me has firearm card. as soon has he was complying and being respectful, he got killed. a policeoyd, also officer he was complying and respect so -- respectful. he even called the police officers serve multiple times and he got killed. i believe white people, not all,

many have this myth that police officers, generally speaking, are the good people. the myth of a few bad apples is a lie. let me prove that. over 35,000 police officers in america have lost their certifications. drugs 4000 of them were -- had drugs and alcohol in their system. them for robbery, another 2000 for theft. when we look at a few bad apples, we really need to get our facts straight. i know there's a population in america who don't like science, don't like facts, prefer opinions. i'm cool with opinions, but i like facts better because you see more intelligent -- i see more intelligent when i go to bat. has been disbarred.

over 85,000 has been investigated as well as received some level of reprimands. in new york, they released 323,000911 officers -- 911 officers had complaints against them. chicago just released their files on 100,000 complaints and less than 3% were investigated. when i hear ignorant statements such as comply and respect, i say sir, i appreciate your statement. i wish i had the white privilege you have that you can do that say whatever you stopped me for and not get shot. i do not have that privilege as a black man in america, but i always say if a police officer will treat me like a white man, i'm cool.

if you can't, treat me like a white person's dog. but if you treat me like a black man, i might get shot and that is not what i want. host: you talk about this book of -- concept of bad apples in your book changing police forces from within, can you kind of summarize for that -- summarize that for the viewing audience? guest: sure. stop five years ago, even though it is definitely applicable today. i just completed a 17 part online series called the new conversation because we need a new conversation in america. we are tired of the same conversation. onre's a new conversation the left side. i talk about a few bad apples and we break down different statistics and talk about the ones i just mentioned being to certified -- decertified, looking at the different state of going on, different state -- different state of what's going on. right now, the second-most

crucial pandemic in america is police brutality. number one is covid. we are losing to any lives to this. series,bout in that solutions, what everyone can do in the community. it is not just a police problem, it is a policing community problem. when it comes to improving relations, i lay that out beautifully in the 17 part series. he is referencing , we are talking with duane bryant. -- dwayne bryant. caller: i'm so glad you are on because i have had this question for a while. 12ave been in since march because of the pandemic and i watched the mayor briefing every day. a journalist said to him, why did they get rid of the requirement that police officers

in new york not have to live in the city. he said because it is too expensive to have police officers in the city. the journalists said the administrative people that work with the police department department live in the city. i wonder if it would be better if they have that requirement. at least it wouldn't be like police owing into a foreign land with their fear and strapping up. maybe it would be part of the solution. what does it say about our cities that people accept this idea that police officers on their salary cannot afford to live in cities like chicago and new york. beautiful --s a guest: that's a beautiful question, my answer is yes and no. i think it is a great idea because it brings back the concept that dr. brown introduced, community policing. when you are a part of the community, you have more respect , knowledge, and the community has more respect for you versus

an outside force here to patrol or sometimes terrorize communities. however, just because you may live in a community does not make you a better officer. if i am a racist, i don't care what community i live in, my mind, my heart, my thoughts, and my action are going to be the same no matter what community i live in. to me, it is not so much about location, it is about who you are as an individual. if i live in a an all-white or all spanish community, i'm not going to start harming people or stealing from my neighbors, or robbing or shooting the dog. i'm not going to do that because that is not who i am. that's why we have to find out who are these police officers, what type of mental capacity do they have, what implicit or explicit bias training have they reactionswhat kind of

if they shot a black boy and thought he was a 40-year-old man. when one talks about different ways police officers dehumanize black kids. personally, you don't have to live in my community to respect me, to uphold the law, to not break your own laws. i would rather have a police who did not live in my community, getting a professional versus one who does not live in my community but is paralyzed in my community. i understand the premise, i support it, it is not 100% necessary and depends on the officer. host: to follow-up on reactions law enforcement can do, this is libby on twitter. she asks that the leo department s haveforcement office several nonlethal means. she advises use these instead of

killing a suspect. guest: i think it makes perfectly good sense. i have no questions with that. however, there are times where lethal force is necessary. when we did some simulations at the fbi academy, i had a firearm in my hand, and we were to known white supremacists and i could feel my blood -- i knew it was a computer screen, but i could feel my body getting prepared. quickly andm out had no second thoughts about it. but it is because there are times where lethal force is necessary. there are times where a rubber bullet and taser will not do a trick. -- do the trick. america is a drugged out nation. there are people walking around on pcp and all kind of illicit drugs that makes them stronger,

more aggressive, makes their mental capacity not where it should be, so if a police officer is against that, they are not against a regular human being. so lethal force is sometimes necessary, not always. host: here's gary in connecticut. go ahead. caller: good morning. i wanted to say that i have been outraged of all of the shootings of black individuals. it is horrifying to me, but i wanted to make the point, going back, i am in my 70's. going back to my childhood, i worked in the movie theater, picture an alley with a cabaret. my job that evening was to put the letters on the marquee. i was going back and forth with letters, and there was a disturbance at the cabaret with a number of police officers there. one of them grabbed me and threw me against the wall and put a club in my throat because someone made a snarky comment,

not me, from someone else. he wouldn't even let me explain that i was doing my job, working there, wasn't interfering with them. that was one of a couple unpleasant encounters i have had with abusive police officers. there were two or three, and i have been clean-cut, hard-working, college-educated do think it has gotten worse now than it was when i was a kid. >> ok, thank you for your comment. believe it or not, it has actually gotten better according to the data. police shootings, particularly of unarmed black man have decreased nearly 70% from the 60's. that's not to say it is good at but that means in the 60's

police were just killing black men randomly anytime they wanted to. welcome, you can name a city and it was going on. now,se we had cell phones it seems like it is actually worse. it is absolutely terrible. however, the police shootings of unarmed black man have actually gone down. however, it is still completely unnecessary, it is really high, and it is higher than what it needs to be. host: can we extend the conversation to what we're seeing in some cities across the united states with issues taking place in some of the studies that you've been talking about? what you see, and what should be done? guest: could you be a little bit more specific so i could answer? the rights that people

described in portland and other places, what do you think of those incidents, and what should be done in those incidents? guest: got it. let's say george floyd, we can look at breonna taylor, we can look at -- i'm sorry, i don't always remember the names. we can look at different instances. what is amazing is when we see the footage like george floyd, what do we see? complied, this man did everything that a law enforcement asked. breonna taylor, police came to the wrong address. now we find out that the whole government is trying to reject for five -- regentrify. we saw that the guy in denver was killed and then the police withto the grave and posed pictures making fun of him dead.

when people begin to see that we have some people in uniform who andjust not good people, they are being protected, they that makeshielded, the neighborhood angry. because, how do we trust the people that we are supposed to trust when they have proven themselves unworthy of trust? it is the same thing we saw in the 1700s. when america said we are tired of the british, we are tired of the unfair practices, we're tired of the oppressive government and policing, so what are we going to do? we are going to declare independence and we are going to destroy some buildings. this looting and destruction is not new in american history, it has always been done. we don'tit in 1776, like it now because something else a shifting. now it is not just black people, it is white people.

because white kids are playing with black kids and listening to the same music, so when their parents with some of their views, portland, my lord. hasmany days hasn't been -- it been? wedon't even want to go to the police department. now america has a privileged problem because black people have a privilege that we don't have. now that they are saying we want are goinghange, they to get it or else america is going to have a bigger problem on its hands. host: such as what? guest: we have one police department burned down, we may have more. what people are saying, my friend, is that we want justice. we want to stop protecting and shielding unlawful, criminal officers working in police department. they need to be prosecuted.

that's all people are asking and personally, i think it is fair. we want them in our neighborhoods, we want them controlling our streets, but the ones who are criminalalizing communities, we're not going to stand for that. everyone, police and owingnities, stop all criminals to terrorize your neighborhoods and we can be human beings again. host: we will hear from bruce in denver, colorado for our guest dwayne bryan, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. my quick comment is that, and i will stick to colorado, for some reason, there is this narrative that blacks are not for law and order. i'm 57 and never member just jokingly when i was like 10, i made a comment about calling the cops a cop and my mom and dad

said you respect officers. in my state, it is amazing that you are saying that i don't know officers who think that blacks are more prone. in my state, the three officers that i've known who have been murdered, one was a white supremacist. another got shot by a 15-year-old kid, and another guy got shot responding to a domestic violence, i can't remember the exact years. in all cases, these shooters were all white and the officers were all white. how these white officers think however every time we approach a black person, we're going to do harm. in my state alone, even if you years ago back in 2009 or 2010, a guy got released from prison, he was a white supremacist, he

killed a guy working at a pizza ande, stole the uniform, killed the correctional officer who was white and ended up getting killed himself in texas. that was my comment. i don't really think you understand why white officers think we are going to be more of a threat. bundy, he points weapons at federal officers. about a week or so after that shooting in el paso, another guy in ohio, a heavily armed white man, they talked him down. and there was a shooting in a church in the bottom burger king. but when you are unarmed in black, you are a threat. host: we are going to leave it there so he can respond. guest: you are absolutely correct, but that's why we must understand the history of america. know we have many white folks

including our wonderful president donald trump who wants to pretend that races and does not exist, slavery is a thing of the past and has no implications of the present. those are all lies. black people had decriminalized in this country since they came here in 1619. let's look at a couple of things. black on black crime. blackpeople kill more people, white people kill more white people. whitever hear white on crime because in america it is a crime to be black. another thing, blacks are known for drugs. use way more drugs than black teens, however, we think about black people. do,ything that black people and this may seem like a hyperbole, but when black people do is criminalized.

when white people do it it is just a bunch of rambunctious teenagers. when black people are in hurricane katrina, they are looters, they are refugees. white people, we need help. black people, historically speaking, have been treated differently in this country week of this country was founded on white supremacy. country's systems, education, health care, government, media, religion, have been founded on white supremacy, so white supremacy, and i talk about this quite a bit, is one of the greatest evils in this nation across the world because it makes white people feel as though they are better just because they are white and you are worse just because you're black. and factually speaking, there is of theirl proof military power other than killing people, destroying people, civilizations and committing genocide on people. outside of that, there is no proof that white supremacy is a

real thing and we need to get away from that. host: ken from michigan, go ahead. caller: i've noticed two things. the first comment i want to make, i am for equal justice and i think a lot of folks really are for equal justice. exists, iracism believe it exists on all sides, though. there's as many black racists who believe they are superior as they probably are whites, proportionally. here's my question for you. with that in the background, you talk about the amount of white supremacist police officers. in new york city, 48% of the police force is black. -- in you describe chicago, 28%. you can look this up yourself. i googled it five minutes ago. of, you look at the amount i will call imbalance in white, black, hispanic, however you want to say it, you are trying

to say that these police, a large portion of the police are treating the people differently. when you have a 48% black police force, how do you describe or how do you somehow rationalize the same thing? have all these wonderful black police officers gone rogue? i'm interested. want toirst of all, i say thank you for being for equal justice, i appreciate that and we need more people like you. second thing, i think i want to on 20% ofyour stat officers in chicago are black and 48%. now, i don't believe the majority of police officers are bad or racist, i don't believe so. i believe probably about 20%, which is nowhere near a majority. however, that 20% to create havoc in any city and any police department around america.

if you have a classroom of 25 students and you have 20% of the students acting a fool all the time, that is only five students. can overrun it0% and make it very difficult for the teacher. that, andd never say if i did say that, i would like to apologize. i would never say i believe the majority of police officers are racist, because i don't think so. i believe the majority of them are decent. however, i believe the majority of them lack the level of leadership we need to make sure that they keep their officers, their comrades in check when they are violating human rights, when they are violating constitutional rights, when they are violating the own that is there to protect and serve. people feel the same way about black police officers as they do white police officers because black police officers

can be unruly as well. a black we would prefer police officer because a black police officer is less likely to kill us whereas a racist white officer would do it without any knowing iughts, thought they had a gun, my life was in danger, they know the rules that will get them off. we are not gung ho about black officers just because they are black. we are gung ho about professional police officers, and that is that we are asking for patrolling our neighborhoods. house passedthe legislation when it comes to certain police practices, we saw not passing, we saw an executive order. solution legislative as far as practices by police? i think legislation is good, i think if it has teeth there is a level of

accountability. i think it is the on legislation, it is about how human beings react. we all have biases. racism is theof ability to affect systems that can systematically destroye. we have a few black people in the country who are powerful. none of them together with all of their money have the power to affect systems that can systematically destroy white people. i'm going to push back on the black people being racist thing because i don't think he has that level of power in this country. but i do believe policies are necessary, i do believe if you're a politician, right now, 92% of black people believe there is a problem with policing in america, 75% of hispanics, 92% democrats, 55% of republicans. you have an ounce of

intelligence and you're a politician and you're not talking police reform, you probably won't be in office long. host: the department of justice has a certain role in overseeing and looking at cases, some of these cases shootings in the light. what you think of their oversight? guest: i absolutely love what the department of justice did. they went to different cities, chicago, baltimore, and they found many patterns of practice by letting our citizens constitutional rights, shootings which are against policy. it is almost like these are rogue police officers doing toothpi the h e double cks they want. many people say oh my god, if you would just respect the police and comply, they wouldn't be a problem.

have intelligence agency called the department of justice that came down and said it doesn't matter if you comply, it doesn't matter if you're respectful. if you are black and brown, you might get treated a certain way just because this particular officer is a white male who is 37 years old, and usually what is going on, we need more department of justice inquiries into what is going on in police department. we need more accountability and we also need more things to help with police accountability in chicago to investigate police misconduct. host: lancaster, virginia, james, hello. caller: my question to the author is, did he ever think that his first encounter with the police officers that if he did not steal the products, he would never have had the encounter in the beginning? thing, black people do have power. look at vice president that biden pick as his running mate. 100 influential black people

wrote a letter saying who to pick and he picked. i'm just confused about this, right is right and wrong is wrong. not stealing would never have put you in that spot in the beginning. your mama did the right thing because that is what my mama would have done. guest: [laughter] james, first of all, brother, i want to say i love you. chapter one, it is not called stolen bike, it is called our invite -- borrowed bike. affectsrontal cortex your ability to have sound reasoning, lost her decision-making, short-term decision-making. we thought we are just going to jump on the spikes and have some fun for about 10 minutes. we never thought we were stealing, we were borrowing the bike, we had done that several times and nothing had ever happened. so let's say if you were that

officer, let's say you may have said look at these black thieves, let me block them up now. gone toer and i have college, i went on academic scholarship, he is a contractor that is worked on $100 million projects. us, it islocked up very likely that our whole lives would've been changed. so police have powerful discretion. which is why they choose to do what they do. bikes, we steal the borrowed the bikes, but i do appreciate that you had a good mother, too. harris, she was definitely my pick. she had something of a

controversial history as well because she was considered a cops, she is a perfect candidate for joe biden because she understands both sides. i also think she has a heart for justice. i also believe that you have the mental capacity and the mental cognizance that she can make the proper decision tool law enforcement accountable but also not just take the side of the community, but she also has a standard for the community, and she wants those to improve. kamala harris, you've got my vote. host: on that front, i'm sure you've heard as much as many about who is the next president about joe biden and his work on the 94 crime bill. what is your opinion of that bill and what it did for african-americans. guest: oh man, this is why you are on the station, because you ask great questions. my answer is this. nixon, '72, criminalizing black

people. reagan doubled down on it. just say no, doubled down. president clinton, black people give him a pass as the first black president. bill clinton locked up more black people in the bushes did, but he got a pass. he no longer gets a pass. the crime bill or whatever it is called, three strikes and you're out was detrimental to the black community because again, according to the stats, black people use drugs just as much as white people. people get off. they are not criminalized. now we have millions of these men locked up. drugs so theye can participate in these revenue streams that they got locked up for. to me, that is criminal in and of itself.

joe biden, donald trump calls and sleepy joe, i believe we have to leave room for people to grow. i believe we have to leave room for people to evolve. we can make a mistake like i did , however, now,e i won't take anything from anyone. i do believe that we have to i am not goingso to hold that against them as long as they understand where we are today, where we are with the need for a cut ability for law enforcement, i believe, harris could keep him mindful of some of those mistakes he has made because she did that during the campaign. everyone gets a break, everyone should get a pass. up,if you keep messing first of all, i'm not a democrat, let me say that. don't assume that because i'm black. host: looking at president his effortften cites on the criminal reform act, what

do you think his influence has been overall? guest: when you tell a police officer, hey, if you arrest them, if you happen to knock them in the head, tight not the handcuffs, what you're saying is it is ok to criminalize people. butcan't write legislation say something else that is considered inconsistent. it is considered bipolar, it is considered mentally unstable. now, do i think the policy or the order is the first step in the right direction? absolutely. guess what, i'm not public in either, so don't get excited. i'm independent. i believe it was a step in the right direction, i believe it came out with more teeth than any legislation that is not looking at these police unions that is not doing enough because it is the police union that are helping to aid and abet what

we're seeing across america. host: another quick question because you brought it up, the topic what unions bring up, that of qualified immunity. guest: i think we need to end qualified immunity because here is the deal. if you have the right to kill me, to destroy me, to assassinate me, to plant drugs on the, i cannot go after you and your assets, i believe that is a problem. if everyone that is watching this goes to youtube and looks yant, i have a piece on their called the white lie. it is talking about how many saide have lied and certain things about blacks that did not happen and it creates crazy problems. in that, i am talking about qualified immunity. end this is loss

of revenue or loss of life. loss of revenue, you can sue a police officer for damages, they might think twice about killing you. loss of life is not saying go out and stop telling them, that is absolutely crazy. but the mentality of white supremacy has to end because telling you that i'm better than you just because i'm white, because i drive a mercedes, i must be a drug dealer, that cannot happen today because what is going on, many people are being criminalized when it is completely unnecessary. oncheck out the white lie youtube and you will see a lot of different things that are going on that we can solve. we've got to figure out this white supremacy stuff because that is the foundation of all of these things that are going wrong. white people are not the only white supremacists. some black people are white supremacists as well.

host: texas, ben, good morning. caller: good morning. mr. bryant. guest: yes, sir. caller: i just wanted to bring to focus will we talk about these at apple police -- bad apple police, i'm reminded of about a week and a half ago, they had them on tv, a city in colorado. these three police officers stopped a black girl that was 17 and the other three, the oldest one of them was faucie now is dr. anthony joining the research america discussion on the latest science on the coronavirus pandemic. >> i'm glad to be here at have this opportunity to talk with dr. fauci.