and we talk with national urban league ceo and president about civil rights groups and the incoming administration. join the discussion. washington journal is next. [video clip] >> don't listen to my friends. just go out, go out. they are saying we want you to fix the system. the system will be fixed when these people get in. they will get in and we will fix this system because we are all victims, everybody here, these thousands of people are all victims, everyone of you. the next great victory for our movement begins here on january 5 and then we are going to win back the white house. we are going to win it back. ♪ host: president trump addressing supporters in georgia

last night one month before runoff elections there that will determine control of the senate. trump spent time protesting what he called a rigged presidential election and vowed to go to the supreme court. a question for you this morning. has the president made his case? has he proved his claims of election fraud? if you think he has, call (202) 748-8000. if your answer is no, (202) 748-8001. politicalll the action in georgia these ways, we opened up a third line for georgia residents, (202) 748-8002. look forward to hearing from you. you can send us a text here. the number is (202) 748-8003. @cspanwj is our twitter handle. you can also post to facebook.com/c-span. the president was in southern georgia last night.

he did his speech at the regional airport. theits in a county where president won handily. trump calls- supporters to back purdue and loaeffler. the president asked a crowd of thousands to support the u.s. senate candidates, but all the while, he decried george's rigged election system -- decried what he called georgia's rigged election system. incumbentslly for purdue and leffler after members of his legal team have encouraged supporters not to vote in the runoffs. trump's performance at the rally, partisans have said, will either convince his voters to turn out or keep them further from the polls by continuing to

remote -- promote distrust in the democratic process. his speech did a little of both, they write. here is the beginning of his remarks. [video clip] >> i want to say, hello, georgia. you know, we won georgia, just so you understand. won a won florida and we lot of places. thank you. thank you very much. chan --nick: we love you!. >> thank you. florida,lot of places, ohio, big, big, we won them big. remember, we were going to lose florida. we won by a lot. we were way down in ohio and we

won by a lot. i think they say that if you win andida and if you win ohio, history, you have never lost an election. that has got to be a first time. the truth is, they are right. we never lost an election. we are winning this election. [applause] and i will say we are fighting very hard for this state. when you look at all the corruption, all the problems. all i can do is campaign and wait for the numbers. but when the numbers come out of ceilings and leather bags, you start to say what is going on? i love this state, the people in mhis state, and i a thrilled to be back in magnificent georgia. host: the president in georgia last night. you can watch the whole speech

on c-span.org. we will show you clips in this hour. before we get to calls, politico writes this event in georgia is an early indication of what terms post presidency will look like -- of what trumps post presidency will look like. hopes that trump as ex-president will use his stature to boost down ballot candidates is complicated by the fact that trump is likely to use any platform to boost his own standing and perhaps is own 2024 residential run. that's from politico.com. the question, has the president proved election fraud claims? kathy is calling for michigan. you think no. tell us why. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: so far, every race he he thought he should win, he has been

admonished by the courts, no, you did not have the votes to secure the states. and what is really disturbing to me is in the midst of this pandemic, and we have a lot of cases here, coming down a bit, i think, from what i have read, but he has failed this country so deeply and it is going to be so devastating by the time people are inoculated and the country turns around, about another year. this is hitting people so very hard across the board and it is just going to get worse, the unemployment rate, people not having food, not having shelter, but the washington post, an article eight yesterday about that woman -- article yesterday about that woman. i was devastated. i think the vast majority of people feel this way. host: let me jump in. your calling for michigan makes me want to ask about the president's fraud claims.

did you catch any of these hearings and what did you make of the legal maneuvering going on in your state? caller: i do read a lot, paul. that woman with the blonde hair, with giuliani, but that was such ihorrible embarrassment -- don't know why he keeps going like this. i don't understand why he wants to destroy the country he says he loves so much. i don't understand it other than he is quite mentally ill. host: thank you for calling. gary in atlanta, first caller from georgia this morning on that separate line. good morning. caller: good morning, america. i wanted to say the reason donald trump lost georgia was because of stacey abrams. she went out and did a terrific job of getting the grassroots people to vote. she really did a lot to turn the -- alsoound, but also

-- donald trump was angry at the governor and the secretary of state, who are both republicans. the reason he was upset with them is because they did not suppress the vote. one of the things they are good at, republicans, suppress the vote. they could not suppress the vote with mail-in ballots by having longer lines in black neighborhoods. and what happened was is he is holding them responsible for not suppressing the vote. that's the problem. another thing i wanted to say to trump supporters. it is amazing how they can remember what barack obama said 10 years ago, you can keep your doctor, but they cannot room everyone donald trump said 10 weeks ago, 10 months ago, when he stated this virus would just disappear. he said it would be gone by easter. he said you could do your taxes on a postcard. all of those things he said it,

they seem to forget, but they seem term ever everything somebody else said. host: all right, gary. we get the point from atlanta. at thank you for calling in from georgia. we want more georgians to call in ahead of the debate tonight between kelly loeffler and raphael warnock. paul calling in on our yes line. you think the president has proven his case, correct? caller: yes i do, and i think our biggest problem is -- hello? host: you are on the air, paula. caller: i don't trust the republicans or the democrats that have been there for 30 years. host: paul, let me get back to your original point. you think the president has proven his election fraud claims. what have you heard from the president or his legal team that make you feel that way? caller: you see, four people pull suitcases out from

underneath a table, you see them put them in the machine when nobody is there. there are only four of them. i mean, how do you justify that? it is on tv. you see them doing it. nobody wants to believe it. our problem is we have politicians that have been in office too long. they don't give a damn about the american population. host: paul, thank you for calling. cliff, new york on our new line. -- no line. you don't think the president has proven his case. caller: i don't think he has. those court cases have all been thrown out except one. last night, saturday night live did a parody of the hearing the thatani -- hearing giuliani had and a blonde woman was sitting next to him. it was hysterical.

it was so funny. i thought to myself, isn't that sad? they could have played the hearing itself and it would be funny. it is so over-the-top. i don't understand how anybody believes. i don't think he proved it at all. what he has proven is that he will do anything at all to call the governor -- at all, to call to say to him to reverse the election and georgia -- in georgia, to throw out votes, i mean, i don't know how anybody supports him. host: he said he will take it to the supreme court next. what do you think? caller: i don't know if the supreme court will take it. i would be surprised if they will take it. i think they must be appalled. host: gail, thank you for calling from sea cliff, new york. washington post right up iteup yesterday

-- donald trump called georgia's governor to overturn the election results and order an audit of absentee ballot signatures. hours before the rally, they point out, trump called kemp to call a special session of the state legislature in georgia for lawmakers to override the results and appoint electors who would back the president. according to two people familiar with that conversation, trump also asked the governor to demand an audit of signatures, something kemp has said he has no power to do. he declined the president's entreaty, according to the people. cj from lawrenceville, what do you make of what is going on in your state? caller: it is a mess. i am a libertarian.

i belong to the libertarian party. eileen -- i lean republican. i have not voted for a democrat since 1988. the bottom line, i don't have any problem with people who voted trump in 2016. i can understand the reasons why they did that. i would go so far as to say i understand why they voted for him in 2020. what i cannot understand is how anybody can see what happened since november 3 and continue to support this guy. based on what he has done to trash the norms that have basically guided this country. we have a constitution. thet of stuff that happens, guardrails of this republic, are basically built up over time, how people, how politicians have and guided principles practices of their forebears, is

how we keep things. and we don't. what he is doing after an election, you don't do it. 2016 hady clinton and pulled these shenanigans -- clinton in 2016 pulled these shenanigans, the democrats could not come up with something as diabolical as what they have come up with here in georgia. every republican is just towing the line with this guy and if they cannot see what a disposable -- despicable human being this man is, if this does not prove to them he has no business being in office, i have no patience for anybody who can still support this guy. watchtj, are you going to the debate tonight between kelly loeffler and ralph warnock? caller: hell no.

i am not going to watch that. host: i actually voted for purdue in the first election. -- i actually voted for purdue in the first election. the republicans to have the senate. i am divided on what i will do. i will either split my vote were vote democrat, because the republicans need to be taught a lesson here. --t: thank you from calling thank you for calling from georgia. appreciate you calling this morning. taking calls on what you think the president has proven. fraud claims -- yes, no? we have social media comments. president has proven election fraud claims the on any doubt. he has proven massive fraud. no more investigations. time for arrests and prosecutions.

a text from virginia -- yes, i voted for trump, but he did not prove fraud that would overturn the election. cases in only one state and the circumstantial evidence at best. fox news will start reporting facts after january 5. last night, and southern georgia, someone talking about the potential for him to approach the supreme court. [video clip] >> we continue to fight. we have had some great moments. we just need somebody with courage to do what they have to do because everybody knows it is wrong. we need somebody with courage, somebody that makes decisions. and we will be going to the supreme court very shortly. [applause] if we have courage and wisdom, i think you know what the answer will be, because you cannot let people get away with what they

got away with. host: back to your calls. joseph from boston. thank you for waiting. do you think the president has proof of his fraud claims? tell us why. caller: good morning. i believe he did not make his case. let's look at things in reverse. in 2004, when the hanging chad's, the dangling chads, the pregnant chads in florida. what did the democrats say for the sake of america and democracy? let's give it to george walker bush. he was selected, not elected. here, the media says joe biden won the election. show the proof. what is the rush? it is called democracy. 75 million people voted for trump. i voted for him because i see he is a good man.

common sense will tell you something fishy is going on. will smith's father voted seven years ago dead. in giuliani, he said that -- and giuliani, he said that he voted. joe frazier, a boxer, dead five years ago, voted in philadelphia. so why the rush? let's wait. let giuliani and the crew bring out proof that the election was stolen. i believe the election was totally fair and square and i been living in america 47 years. i am 55 years old. i feel sorry for america. these democrats have made jim jones look like mother teresa, make david karesh in waco, texas lake mahatma gandhi. -- taxes look like mahatma gandhi. s look like mahatma

gandhi. i believe the election was stolen by democrats. host: thank you for calling from boston. we go to stephen in baltimore. you don't think the president has proven his claims. tell us more. if you want to actually believe that he won the election with no evidence, then you are setting up this society, destroying the constitution, because, again, he has no evidence. now, i am for trump 2020. 20 years for obstruction, 20 years for tax fraud and reason. one more thing is that last caller from barbados, tell him to stop smoking so much marijuana. thank you. we move -- int: we move on to trish

hawthorne, new york. feel proves the president has proven his election fraud claims? caller: there is a lot of evidence that has come out and more evidence that will be coming out, videotape, visual evidence, cyber evidence. host: is there a particular piece of evidence that moved you? caller: basically, it is all of it together. there is so much fraud that has been going on through this election and it is disgraceful. it is disgraceful what has happened to this country. and, by the way, donald trump does have evidence that -- he had an executive order signed in 2018, which was an emergency, which allowed him to monitor the election in real time, so that you willoming out, so

be able to see that. that will be coming out soon. we have turned our backs on the this worldhat is why is the way it is now. and it is not just in the united states of americ it is -- of america, it is global. we have to turn back to god's laws and reinstate them. and this tyranny and oppression will end. that is the only way we can go back to freedom. host: trish calling there from hawthorne, new york. in case you missed the news of the last couple of days, here is the wall street journal, "trunk campaign suffered fresh legal defeats -- trump campaign suffered fresh legal defeats." they claimed the election in

nevada was facet with fraud. t with fraud. in michigan, appeals were ejected to stop the counting -- were rejected to stop the counting of absentee ballots. the trump took to ready its emergent application. by the time, michigan already certified its results. just a little bit about what has been happening recently in courts. beverly is calling from wyoming now on our line that says no, the president has not proven his claims. go ahead, beverly. caller: hi. i just think president trump is

a super spreader and it sickens these ralliesdo and nobody wearing masks. can you tell me something about that? host: well, why don't you tell us something about that? how does that make you feel? tell us more about your concern. caller: my stomach, that he is spreading all these terms to all these people, and spreading his lies to all these people, and then they believe him. you know, and -- do you think, what about the president's continued legal push to overtone -- to overturn results in various states? caller: he will do that because he knows it takes time and all these legal things to -- he just is wasting a lot of precious time on these people and

spreading this virus. it's awful, awful. he is spreading lies and everything else. it is awful. host: beverly, thank you from calling -- thank you for calling. let's hear from ray in virginia. you think the president has proven himself. tell us why. caller: absolutely. trump won by a landslide. i have been watching the hearings on oan. thank god. there needs to be more media coverage rather than just oan. should puttations excerpts on. there needs to be a blitz. there has been so much evidence and all the swing states, pennsylvania -- evidence in all the swing states, pennsylvania, and, like i said, it was general butler that helped washington in the revolutionary war.

my city is named after butler. ,he citizens in each state beside from calling your state legislators and demanding they exercise their constitutional authority, that they demand that -- no governor, no cortez to be involved, just the state legislatures. there is only one example, one example, when state legislatures are no longer state bodies but are made of federal body, and that is in a presidential election. united states citizens need to rise up, contact their legislators, and not just their own legislators and general assemblies, but also the people on the committees and the head of the governmental committees, and they need to demand that they do their federal authority. thishe federal body, and

one instance, they are given the authorities of a federal body to take back, reclaim the authority of the vote and say we are casting our own electors. host: linda ray, before we let you go, let me ask you one question. the president's own attorney general william barr said he did not think there was enough fraud to overturn an election. what was your reaction? -- what is your reaction to what mr. barr said? caller: i have watched the hearings all week. overnnsylvania, you had 250000 and -- in one u.s. shipping ballots into pennsylvania. that is one case.

biden votes were switched -- trump votes were switched to biden. then you have -- just overwhelming evidence. host: linda ray, thank you for weighing in. looking forward to more of your calls. an abc news headline -- the trim campaign in the gop has raised money pushing baseless election fraud claims. that is the headline abc is using, "baseless." our coverage of the debate starts tonight. we will show you the full hour in georgia. it is one of those runoff races. senator the incumbent, running against ralph warnock, the democrat in that race. kelly leffler trying to win the seat for another two years. -- kelly loeffler trying to win the seat for another two years, the old johnny isakson seat, and

she would have to run again in two years. here is the president last night on the importance of georgia races this year. [video clip] isthe stake in this election control of the senate and that means control of this country. willoters in georgia determine who runs every committee, rights legislation, controls every taxpayer dollar. very simply, you will decide whether your children will grow up in a socialist country or in a free country. i will tell you this, socialist is just the beginning for these people. these people want to go further than socialism. they want to go into a communistic form of government. i have no doubt. host: as the president speaks there in georgia. , thery from politico.com president hits the old south against the new south. people supporting jon

ossoff, the democratic candidate in the other runoff. the story begins -- it tells a tale of two states. includes spots walking a puppy. kelly loeffler's spots take a grimmer tone. warnock is superimposed over footage of riots. intoned, saving the senate is about saving america and that. with demographics shifting, this playbook is likely to prove out of step with the changing electorate. it is pitting the politics of the old south, often characterized by racist rhetoric and maintenance of the predominately white status quo, against the new south's

increasingly young and racially diverse constituency. this fundamental tension is shaping the contours of the messaging wars in the senate race and could reverberate in the region for decades to come. politico.com is the place to read that story. off to severn, maryland now. it is chinese. how do you feel about the president's election?fraud claims ? caller: he does not have a claim because trump's lawyers have filed over 30 lawsuits, all of them thrown out. trumps judges, some of them appointed by trump -- trump's judges, some of them appointed by trump, throwing out the lawsuits. people are calling and giving their opinions. just because you give your opinion does not make it a fact. i would like us to get back to truth. several yearsaid ago truth is not truth. you have one person quoting giuliani, that massachusetts

caller, and so-called facts that there's fraud? come on. this is ridiculous. there was no fraud. they have not proven it in the court of law. they can have all the hearings they want in hotels, hotel rooms, and they get in front of the judge -- when they get in front of the judge, their tune changes. thank you. host: thank you for calling. he is the atlanta journal-constitution homepage. trump tells gop to vote in rigged election. we have a call from peg in michigan now. you are on our yes line. tell us why. caller: i am on your -- yes i am. i am from michigan. my brother is the sheriff of my county. i am very familiar with what went on in antrim county. and the reason i know it is true

is because i talked to my brother and i know that what he explained to me what happen with the dominion votes was they had a sheriff that was running unopposed, and all the votes did not go -- and no votes were counted on his behalf and then the county clerk caught it and it was switched around. so it is not opinion. it is a fact. and the other thing is the covid situation here is -- i feel sorry for everybody that has to suffer it. i have had family members that have suffered it myself. but in our county, it is not as bad as what they are plug creaming -- what they are proclaiming. the hospitals is not as high as what they are claiming it to be in the media. i tend to believe what he tells me to be the truth. trumpknow that president

has changed a lot of things in my life in the last four years as far as what has happened to me as a person in the united states, as a middle-class citizen. host: thank you for calling, peg. gloria in meridian, mississippi, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am well. how are you? caller: wonderful. i would say no, because as the caller prior to this to say that a sheriff of a small county can speak for the nation is ridiculous. trump lost, point-blank. theyhe trump supporters, actually cannot believe that the majority of the country has had enough of this circus show. greatt to get back to the

united states of america, where our leaders, what they say to us, is truth, not lies. the majority of the american people, they came out and they spoke, and i find it very highly suspicious that the only county or the only states that are saying wasey are fraud are highly populated black and brown communities. i don't understand why anybody would think that donald trump would win the majority of the votes in places like atlanta, county, wayneett county and michigan. -- in michigan. why in the world would anyone think that trump would win those areas? he talked about suburban women. atlanta and the suburbs of atlanta is a multiracial community.

i lived in that community. i lived in georgia for 17 years, in a subdivision that was multiracial. so i am a suburban woman. i don't understand why they keep saying that. the courts have spoken 30 times. you can say whatever you want to say. to can say whatever you want say on twitter, on facebook, but when you go into court, you actually have to prove what you say, and they know they cannot lie in court because that has repercussions for a lawyer. so trump lost. let's move forward. let's get back to the great united states of america. host: gloria, you have a wonderful day. meridian, mississippi. let's move on to pounding mill, virginia. perhaps a different viewpoint. john is calling on our yes line. you think the president has proven his claims. tell us what you have heard that

mix you feel the way you do. caller: maybe he has not proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt, but there is no doubt prove that there are a lot of things that have gone ron this election. -- wrong this election. i notice a lot of your callers on the liberal line badmouth fox, although most of them probably do not watch fox. the cover this of -- the coverage of this election, you know there is big problems. a lot of people, you don't watch the other side of the news. you don't think there's a problem. the fbi investigating -- be investigating some of these things? and there are a lot of things you just cannot believe. how can you have mail-in ballots that were not folded, had no crease in them?

the truck driver that drove 250,000 mail-in ballots from new york to pennsylvania. somebody needs to investigate this stuff. host: john, several colors have brought up the 30 or so legal actions around the country. the vast majority, nearly all of them, have failed. what do you think of what the courts have done? caller: i don't know those 30 some legal actions. rudy giuliani said three. it is just like saying trump told 18,000 lives. -- lies. host: john calling from virginia there. we will do this for about 20 more minutes. we are talking about whether you think trump has proven his election fraud claims. we should point out that congress comes back into session tomorrow. we will have a -- they will have a pretty busy week on their hands.

some highlights include the annual defense authorization bill. lots of interesting policy provisions within that bill that we will hear debated on the floor of the house on tuesday and the senate later this week. there is a deadline of friday night for government funding. they might need a one-week extension according to the hill before they can get a larger bill together to fully fund the budget for the year. then there is covid relief, intensifying talks in recent days on a covid relief bill for certain segments of the population. it may be coming. you come on the house on c-span and the senate on c-span2. couple callers mission covid, of course. cases stay above 200,000, newly reported cases for the fourth straight day. 213,800 75 new cases reported saturday according to john

hopkins -- johns hopkins, down from a day earlier. and 2254 new deaths according to the johns hopkins data. a linkton post has talking about the vaccine rollout. it is claimed that it will be smaller than pledged, at least in the beginning. states are scrambling. the story says federal officials have slashed the amount of shipne they plan to because of strains on supply, sending officials into a scramble. some of the details here. instead of the delivery of 300 million doses of vaccine immediately after emergency use approval before the end of 2020, as the trump administration had promised, current plans call for availability of 10% of that, or 35 million to 40 million doses. that is one of the lead items in

the washington post. back to your calls. jean from detroit. you don't think the president has proven himself. caller: no. never, never, never, never. first of all, i just want to say something. just as i knew back when this iraq war was coming up and i called into c-span several times to say if we go into iraq, it will be death, destruction, and chaos, i recognize the president for who he is. he is a liar, but even worse, a deceiver, because he for people into believing a lie is the truth. so all of these people rallying around him. -- for all of these people rallying around him. i believe our country is in spiritual bankruptcy. when you have a man who goes against the word of god and 70 million people support him, it shows we are in deep spiritual

trouble. the scripture says thou shall not lie. and president trump lies every day. i watch some of the things he says. i watch some of his rallies and i hear the lies that he tells. not only does he deceive people into believing his lies are peoplehe also tears down . when they tell the truth on him, then he gets them fired. he puts incompetent people into positions of authority. he creates chaos. and i always room or at the prayer breakfast when the minister who presided said that he should, you know, forgive. i don't think i can do that. he says. the scripture says we are not the ones to be revengeful. repay.the one who will

president trump will have a lot to answer for, for god is not mocked, and whatever a man so also that he shall reap. these cases where he has filed claims, they never mentioned fraud, because if you go into accor and commit perjury -- into a courts and to commit perjury then you can be prosecuted. host: all right. let's hear from maryland now. it's derek on our -- no line. tell us what you think. caller: the lady from michigan is right on. trump. hasn't proven anything theonly thing he has proven is that he is mentally ill. last night, that was a textbook trailer park pity party rally. he lost. these people, i do not know what is wrong with them. he has raised all this money.

how can they trust a guy, $270 million he has raised, that will go to the money that he owes. i will be glad when he is gone. nothing is good about him. thank you. host: all right. someone is calling from wisconsin. good morning. caller: good morning c-span. good morning, america. i am a democrat and most of my friends are republican. we don't typically talk politics, but let's just look at the facts. republican legislatures in swing states like mine are ones that made the voting rules this year. and in georgia, they had the election and three recounts. trump still lost. trump is actually a cold leader. are we just -- trump is actually a cult leader. are we just waiting for him to

call for violence? it is insane. his leadership on coronavirus is pathetic. i am sad to have to say that, but thank you, c-span cover for your time. host: appreciate you calling, 10. we have a yes caller from pennsylvania. mark, tell us more. caller: good morning. i have actually witnessed all the testimony, hours and hours of testimony, and it has been proven. i live in pennsylvania. they start off with breaking state law by doing these -- doing the governor and the secretary of state making rules. the last caller is incorrect. it was not the legislature that made these rules. it was governors and secretaries of state, which violates the constitution, and starting the whole game off on the wrong foot. in pennsylvania, startling statistic -- 1.8 million mail-in ballots mailed. 1.4 million. came back and 2.5 million were counted.

nobody has said anything about that that that is not true and has not been proven. as far as these court cases, there are only three. the one in nevada, in particular. that one had 8000 pages of testimony. and alles of testimony sorts of statistical analysis that proved there were more than enough votes that were illegal, out-of-state people, illegal aliens voting, all sorts of things that had been documented, and they threw that case out. how could you even read a thousand pages? there was no testimony. they have never hadn't one person testify in front of a judge. these judges are throwing this stuff out, which i can understand. it is a big thing to hear a case to hear a case -- thing to hear a case that would overturn an election. all these people that say there

is no fraud, what about there is no republicans at the count when they are changing from the ballots from one ballot to another? there is not even a republican on the table to actually witness it. so it is a gigantic mess and i want to know why the media has blacked this out. c-span has not had any coverage of these hearings at all, none of the major news networks. the only person that has had this on is one america news, and not everybody gets that station. i have many friends who have not been able to hear these things, either. this is really a catastrophe for this country. if anybody can sit there and say there is no fraud, then they do not have their eyes open to have not paid the least bit of attention. ask the people if they have read the lawsuits. none.antee there are we have all these no callers in neuro-. -- in row. -- ina a row.

why are you covering this stuff? --arch you covering this stuff? you covering the stuff? host: we have been covering it all morning. we will do this for maybe about 12, 13 more minutes and bring up two guests. first, cal thomas, this indicated columnist and author and later the president and ceo of the national urban league. but comments on facebook -- susan writes, no. cases keep getting tossed out of court. text messageeet, -- trump did not prove fraud. he proved how gullible his supporters are forgiving him money and how cowardly the gop can be. we have been talking about georgia this morning. we will take a call from georgia

in a moment. i want to show you a short clip of former president barack obama, who did a virtual rally on behalf of the democratic candidates in those senate runoffs. here is the look. [video clip] >> the promise of the biden presidency rests in part on their ability to have a cooperative posture with congress, and to do that, we have to have the two gentlemen who are running for senate in georgia, rafael warnock and jon ossoff, there to help move that agenda forward. then win those two seats, you have a 50-50 situation in way, i am and, by the making here not just a partisan statement. the good news, if you have that kind of 50-50 situation, it

frees up some of those republicans who know better to say, well, maybe we should cooperate, the ones who are slightly more independent minded. host: the current president, president trump, just like with him, you can watch the entire event with obama. joe is calling from covington, georgia. thank you for waiting. tell us your thoughts. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good morning. if trump had evidence, it would be out in the open in terms of the courts. but in terms of fraud, yeah, when the been fraud secretary of state of georgia has taken 200,000 people off the voter rolls. and the rule that if you are a ly registered voter,

you have to have a car in georgia. and if you don't have a car, they would give you a hearing. they are basically challenging your rights. and that hearing would come after the election. [indiscernible] do know ise happening is with trump wasting over $200 million for these election challenges, which you can read the fine print. this money is actually being diverted to other uses when people are donating money to challenge the election. there is fraud but not proven by trump. that is all i have to say. host: joe, thank you for calling. someone ism writes floating doug collins for a run against brian kemp for georgia governor.

loefssing the crowd for fler and purdue, he noted collins was in attendance. collins came in third in that special election last month that advance to that runoff. more on that at the hill. lisa calling from philadelphia on our . tell us more. caller: it was more than a month ago and he is claiming all this fraud, has all this proof. ok, firstly, if i had prove, i would present it. i would want my presidency .ecured it goes in his pocket or wherever he chooses it to be.

if you need pardons, you are a crook and you broke the law. and if it walks like hitler's, talks like hitler's, it is hitler's. hitler, it is hitler. host: wayne. if you look at the november 25 tape, obama and biden are sitting together with other people. biden himself said the biggest part of american history. [indiscernible] they played it. i got them people on my tv. thank you. host: terry is calling from jamestown, new york, on our yes line. hello. caller: good morning.

i live in western new york. all up and down through western new york, all you see is trump supporters, all the way to jamestown. you go down into pennsylvania, nothing but trump supporters. and it is just so hard to elieve that -- and i go in rie. everywhere in this location is nothing but trump supporters. and when the president was democrats cried impeach, wanted him out of there. they tried everything they could do to get this president out of his seat. thatat makes us think there is not something else to make this election fraud -- alection of

fraud? republicans need to start doing this with biden, crying impeach. personally, my own belief is he would not have gotten anywhere if it was not for who was the person he chose to be his running mate. that had a lot to do with it. thank you. host: on to patty, another georgia caller. welcome. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. host: you are welcome. caller: i do not think there is any voter fraud and i believe there are a few votes that should not have been cast. my concern is trump is asking for all these recalls on the votes and asking for state governments to do the re-votes. who is paying for all this? i mean, is he paying for it? are our state governments paying for it? is it coming out of our pocket? concern is he is

costing us money and he needs to say i lost and be a gentleman and say biden is our president. patty calling from georgia. more from the president last night in georgia about what he sees as his winning the election. [video clip] >> these people are sick. 17 points and we actually one. remember? so many of the states, and i won every one of them. and the swing states we are all fighting over now, i won them all by a lot. [applause] lost, ive to say, if i would be a very gracious loser. if i lost, i would say i lost, and i would go to florida and take it easy and go around and say i did a good job, but you cannot ever accept when they steal and rig. [applause]

host: more from last night's rally in georgia. you can watch the whole thing at c-span.org. michael in portland, oregon sends this -- has president trump proven his claims of fraud? no, to democrats. to most republicans? no. two his cult followers -- to his cult followers? yes. as long as he does not go to some martial law to press his claims, the nation will survive him. line.you are on the no go ahead. caller: this is cuckoo for cocoa posts. puffs. it is unbelievable. i remember years ago i was listening to the radio, the howard stern show, and he had donald trump on the and he

there -- donald trump on and he asked why are you changing from being a democrat to republican? his reply was republicans are naive. butas trying to be funny, that is what he has been doing, he has been taking naive people joneseating them like jim when he had everybody drink the kool-aid. i am just wondering, are they going to be drink in the kool-aid on january 20? -- drinking the kool-aid on january 20? cy, good morning. caller: yes. if there is one drop of truth in china having any investment in dominion, than that is scary and how could we let this happen?

it is leading us to a horrible place. and i think we need to do a political hail mary at this time. thankfully, we have the electoral college for this reason. i mean, god bless our founding fathers. only the top three vote getters can be considered, and therefore we must have at least one faithless selector, and hopefully -- faithless elector, and hopefully there could be more. i nominate the one person that has universal respect across america, brian lamb. trump and biden are not old enough. i know he is retired and he does not want it, but what other option do we have? host: one last call. jack calling from warren, ohio. you finish up for us. caller: good morning, america. i wanted to call to say that it

is a shame what is going on with the democrats these days, because when you look at the wealth gap between black and white america, whatever, you know, it is terrible. they are trying to bring in 645,000 more illegal people with this virus. what is that telling america? what are the democrats doing? they bring in these illegal aliens and they do not even care about the black people in jail. we went to give black people -- want to give black people chances when they get out of jail. we are struggling in america now and they have forgotten about us, especially the ones that have been to jail, done their time, and will become out, they still leave us on probation or whatever, but these illegal people get to come over here and vote illegally. finds.n't have to pay you have people paying fines out of this world right now. we have to abide by rules.

every time we black folks and white folks fought for this country. short breakl take a and we will come back to begin our guest segment. thomas be joined by cal on the president's legacy and the incoming administration. presidentrban league and ceo will discuss what priorities the incoming administration should have for term.xt we will be right back.

>> president trump is questioning the results and is not conceited the election. tonight, we will look back at two of the most contentious presidential transitions. in 1860 one between james buchanan and abraham lincoln and in 1933 between herbert hoover and raichlen roosevelt. >> several southern states did not recognize the election of abraham lincoln as legitimate. they considered him a sectional president. his support came from non-slave states. good torolina makes move toward seceding from the union. hoover had no choice given the resounding nature of the way it was reported. it was clear he lost the election. you never conceded the substance of the argument.

he believed the new deal as representedamed it a fundamental threat to the american way of life. he devoted himself to preventing roosevelt from being able to enact it. ontonight at 8:00 eastern q&a. >> washington journal continues. host: joining us now is cal thomas, author. thank you for joining us. it's the first time since the election. it's good to be with you. your reaction to the events of november 3? guest: i've written a number of columns about it. people who are having trouble sleeping at night can find online. think there is at least as much attention in america now as there has ever been. that's going back to the thomas

jefferson john adams elected and 1801. the civil war with abraham lincoln, the vietnam war with lbj. we are not our enemies. issuest to be arguing based on the outcomes and not about the value or worth of a fellow american. calling people names, diminishing their patriotism, all of these things are not helpful. we are supposed to be the united states of america, out of many one. we are becoming the divided states of america. a poll i saw a couple of weeks ago found 70% of republican said 20% of democrats believe that the november 3 election had fraud in it. courts,like to see some it doesn't have to be the supreme court, a lower court except all of these claims by

the trump campaign for review. let's hear it under oath all of these people, more than 200 they affidavitshave filed under penalty of perjury, sworn an oath that what they saw was true, let's air them out. but the people under oath, put it on television, let's see what they have. if there was fraud, let the court decide. theot, it's move on to haydn administration and discuss of his policies are better. that seems to me to be fair to everybody. we can't continue to have this division. there are plenty of people on the outside of the united states who would like to see us fail. why are there so many people inside there would like to see the same thing? host: the phone number is on the bottom of the screen. cal thomas is a longtime guest

on this. if you are republican, (202) 748-8001. democrats (202) 748-8000. , (202)dent voters 748-8002 (202) 748-8002. did of survey they republican lawmakers in the house and senate, they found that 220 gop lawmakers are silent on a biden victory. just 27 congressional republicans out of 247 are acknowledging that biden one. does that surprise you? tell us your thoughts. the 2016u look at election, you see how democrats were crying fraud and trump was illegitimately elected. they did everything in their

last four years to denigrate and undermine the president. i would say it's a double standard. for them to go out and have this be fulfilling. the media has a serious problem. i started out as a copy boy at nbc news in washington during the huntley brinkley era. these were great journals who came out of newspapers. i didn't know my politics. they were really great reporters. i fear that so much of the media has become an arm of one political persuasion that it is earning its credibility. the only thing i believe in the wash and a post is the obituaries. i'm thinking of calling the funeral home to fact-check it. i think it's been an embarrassment. editorial hasvery

been anti-trump. they have not given him any credit at all. the lowest unemployment in history across all demographic groups. specifically to answer your question, a lot of republicans are remaining silent because they want to see the outcome of these challenges. they believe the president is still in force. this rally last night in georgia is an indication that he is. joe biden never turned out crowds like this. he doesn't have the kind of enthusiasm. there are many people on the right who believe joe biden is just a placeholder and, harris will become president or somebody else will if he only serves one term. is peter from new york. no ahead. caller: it's a pleasure talking

to you. sidney powell kept talking about the crack in. i watched a podcast with general flynn. they had general mcinerney on there. mcinerney said it was a strike force that went into frankfurt the serverseize that were part of the dominion counting facility. to have been immediate blacked out. no newscast that i've heard has even mentioned it. i was wondering if you know anything about it. maybe you could give us more information. guest: i do not know anything about it. i think it's very difficult to get into the weeds and join conspiracy theories and watch

only those networks that reinforce what we already believe. that laying out all of this evidence that is claimed i the trump campaign in a court of law so everyone can see it, that's the point. not something that happened with voting machines that were flipped because they were partially made in venezuela or some secret meeting, democrats have done this. you may remember there was supposedly george h w bush set some emissary to continue a war so that he could claim that he was bringing peace to the conflict. there are these things in every election cycle. in order to maintain credibility and have a listening ear by the majority of the public, you have to have evidence that is oath,ted by facts, under

very transparent for the people to see. trump has lost the election and is regarding in the ballots are counted fairly and there was no skulduggery, then fine. after four years of pounding this president, i don't believe the democrats would sit back on election day with their arms folded and do nothing. judge or a series of judges adjudicate this in a way that most people would accept as final. i think that's the only fair way to do it. host: on to springfield, annoyed. caller: good morning. guest: i've been trying to get in for the last hour. recommending that it goes to a judge. he's an educated man. where do you think all of these

hearings are being heard? they are in the courts. they are in the courts all over the states that are georgia, they can't find any justification to turn the other people's votes. host: thank you for calling. things ie of the disagree with john roberts on is there are no republican judges or democrat judges. there are no trump judges. there are. tose people who are named the federal courts by republican or democrat president hold certain points of view, they hold views of the constitution and whether the legislature ought to be making the law. byre are political biases some of these judges. all of the evidence ought to be

presented in a court, open, televised, people under oath so we can get to the bottom of this. if there is nothing there, fine. for these conspiracy theories to continue and for certain networks to continue to promote them and have on people who this or thatey saw and suitcases coming out from under chairs and tables, the governor of georgia has said that was legitimate. let's see those ballots. let's see how the process works. in philadelphia, they kept the observers far away. this is the kind of thing that contributes to suspicion. it is not healthy for a good political order. wouldto this point, what you say is the trump legacy? wins: it depends on who

the georgia runoff on january 5. i don't think there is any doubt and only the most partisan person would disagree with this, the tax cuts have produced as an economichave boom. people have more money in their own pockets to build their businesses, to pay employees, to live a better life. the three-piece agreements, i never thought that could happen. prince the saudi suggested that if trump were reelected, he might make a deal with israel. this is about isolating iran. that is a tremendous benefit. the confidence building in this country, individuals are the answer. prison reform, which the african-american community

celebrated. they are since to prison for lengthy times. senseis so much disparity. that's a tremendous legacy. i think all of these things are good. the problem for president trump is his personality has overcome his policies. ago, interview a year responding to a pole that found dr. fauci the was more popular than president trump, he actually said maybe it's my personality. bingo. host: you write about president trump and evangelicals. loyal.icals have been where should they go now? i didn't mean it to be

rhetorical. i did make some suggestions. there are some clear commands. pray for enemies, those who persecute you, care for widows and orphans, visit those in prison. those of the top five commands from one who doesn't run for collective office. as you look around the country, many evangelical christians seem to worship government more than god. if you wanted to make a difference, go out and do some of these things. i think the stereotype is if you are an evangelical christian, you've got to be republican, you have to be a trump supporter. you don't get any credit for doing these things.

our great adversary as we say in the church wants to divert our attention from worshiping god and obeying his commands. it doesn't solve anything in the end. politicians would've solved all of these problems. you hear the same thing. we are going to improve education. we are going to help the poor. we are going to solve racism. think there are plenty of opportunities to do good. you are supposed to pray for those who are in authority. i wonder, the evangelicals will be praying for president biden. for calre of your calls

thomas. go ahead please. you are on the independent line. caller: good morning. thing to point to one that cal thomas is saying. at fox news disclosure. some of the things they show of only fox isning, the one that shows it. pretty damming evidence something is going on. the entire network on the other , the left wing press just ignore it. a point.becomes it is never addressed in any of the courts.

if they would grab one, i would be more satisfied. let me add one more thing. over the years, i have come to see the fact that the legal profession in the united states has become a great parasite. earlier, you mentioned someone who was in the lower income bracket cannot afford that payment to the lawyers. it's a sad thing. guest: this is -- i worked for fox for 19 years. we had immediate critique show.

the reason fox started was because of the perception that the other networks were biased. murdochles and rupert had a beautiful vision. intoroblem is now, we tune those things that reinforce what we already believe. readch liberal networks, i liberal friends in the newspaper industry. most of them don't read me. people tune in to msnbc or cnn. is now getting criticism, including last night. are calling griff jenkins a traitor because he didn't report certain things. we tune into all of these things that tell us what we want to believe.

tos is something we have work out on her own. we have to do the investigation and read different sources to find out what the truth is. tax cuts improve the economy. overspending doesn't. nobody is talking about it. republicaned to be issue. do we want to be indebted to china? why is nobody talking about the debt? cut anything.o they don't want to cut the rate of increase in spending. spending helps them get reelected. that's what it's all about. biden wants to spend even more money and trump is not guiltless. he spent a lot of money as well. we've got to get the debt under control. no newspaper is talking about

this. let's hear from stratford, connecticut. caller: good morning. all trump does at these rallies is complain. he never has any solutions. a good leader has solutions. do you think this is why he lost the election? guest: it's a good question. it will be debated by historians and political leaders to come. he does complain a lot. had a great line. don'te i liked best, you overcome the negative with another negative. jack was optimistic. i imagine that helps encourage other people. you can point out things that may be wrong. how are you going to overcome them? i wish he would spend more time

on his accomplishments and suggestions for what actually works. to call people names doesn't solve anything. what worksook called a few years ago. i included some of the hate mail that i get. i couldn't put it all in there. some of it is very funny. calling me names doesn't convert me to your point of view. tell me why you think i'm wrong. don't demean other people. i wrote a column after the last national prayer breakfast where i thought president trump a great opportunity. the main speaker talked about reconciliation. he could have gone down and shaken the hand of nancy pelosi. it wouldn't have cost them anything. it would have been a gracious

act. ronald reagan was gracious. kennedy was gracious. bill clinton was gracious. way to get you the ability to be listened to by people who might not necessarily agree with you. will take more of your calls. i wanted to get your take on what a president joe biden administration would look like. i want to show you a clip from washington journal. this is a former speech writer for george bush. he was asked about joe biden's faith. let's take a look at that and we will talk more. think the way to understand joe biden as a catholic is not so much his politics, it's in

his person. me, the most impressive quality about joe biden are not political. he has suffered enormous grief and loss of his life. his wife and daughter were killed in an accident, his sons were badly injured. of rain cancer. those who be tremendous blows to everybody. he deeply loved these people. wasave lost them that way tragic. it's been said the parents shouldn't bury their children. that's not the right order of things. he has had to do that a couple of times. it struck me how his faith has sustained him through the

processing of grief and the sorrow and the perseverance. i think it has changed him and made him an almost pastoral figure in many respects. at 60 given eulogies funerals. you can see from the accounts of his life that he is somebody who's empathy and sympathy have been developed over the course of his life. i think he himself would say his christian faith, his catholic faith has been the primary reason he has done that. party,r you think of his i think as a human being he is an admirable person. not a perfect person, but admirable. i think that temperament and disposition, that life story is

what this country needs. i think our country is broken and exhausted and in pain. healing figure of some to repair the breach. helps inis life story that respect. perfect, but admirable , almost a pastoral figure. what is your take on joe biden the person. guest: i love pete. we've been back and forth on a number of things. i regard him as a good friend and a thoughtful man. he's been a never trump are from the beginning. everybody has tragedy in their lives. abraham lincoln had a son diane office. calvin coolidge had a son die in office. many believed he didn't run for a second term because of that tragedy.

the kennedy family has been a full of tragedy. not just the assassination of president kennedy but plane crashes and all kinds of other things. most people know somebody close to them who have had tragedies in their lives. i do not doubt this has changed joe biden dramatically. it should to any person unless they become bitter. that's not what we are electing. we are not electing personal stories. you can call yourself anything. you can call yourself catholic or jewish or atheist. the only thing that should matter is what are your policies. what are your policies on taxes? the central doctrines of the catholic church other than theological ones are pro-life. they are against abortion. they are for traditional marriage. joe biden said he wants to get

rid of the hyde amendment and federally funded abortions. he is fine with transgender's and all kinds of other human relationships. this goes against the roman catholic church. there is a retired catholic bishop who came out this past week saying joe biden should not receive communion at the catholic church because of his position. we are not talking about a nice guy and tragedy. we are talking about policies. the people he appears to be nominating for various positions are obama retreads, many were on the side of iran nuclear deal which was a disaster. prop upthem tried to the palestinians, which is not the central problem in the middle east. all of this is nice.

i don't want anybody to fail. i think the policies are wrong. host: 15 minutes left with cal thomas. good morning. i had one of the most interesting experiences when you're book came out. i was driving through alabama. i had to stop. i had the day off. it was deeply moving. was youo part of it talked about hugh hefner and porno and the destruction. the statistics i'm reading are half the men in america are addicted to poor and.

i have dodged so many fiery darts of addictions in my life. at, it wasit came like heroin to my brain. i struggle with that. i want to say something about the micro part of your book. ourof the unsung heroes of movement is dennis peacock. unlesser use the f word you are at war. i was watching steven spielberg's munich, about how the masonic created an assassination team. as these assassins were taking care to assassinate these terrace, they began to feel, what are we doing? , one of the men

said we have to prove -- let's hear from cal thomas. guest: he covered a lot of things. i appreciate mentioning my latest book. in these eight empires i looked was inspired by nsa violate critters diplomat. he found a pattern to history. the average age of empires that he studied was 250 years. the look united states will be to under 50 years old. i'm not walking around with a sandwich board saying the end is near. the united states is on the same path. what are the common denominators?

one is massive national debt. i mentioned that a few moments ago. no individual can continue to exist in a financially healthy way if they don't control debt. another is uncontrolled immigration. a verynt trump has done good job on that in building the wall and sending some of these criminals back to their home country. joe biden has said he wants to help 11 million people. there is the loss -- you touched on that. a survey found 20% of millennials no longer believe in god. you have to have a reason for living on this earth. there's nothing to a life where you get up in the morning and go to work and make money.

all you are doing is storing up things for an estate sale. allfounders were not religious. they understood this. this is why jefferson said we are endowed with certain elite -- and -- inalienable rights. we have civil rights legislation because god made african-americans. we have these other laws because they are endowed. you don't have to go to church. if you believe those rights came from them, they can be taken away. is david for cal thomas. caller: good morning. i listened to the comments and i will get back to the first part of the show where we were talking about the election.

just the purity of a child who was watching the election it could not comprehend how somebody could win while everybody was sleeping and got all of these votes at one time. we can see something has been pulled over our heads. trump exposed a lot of corruption. everybody needs to think back to four years ago. trump created a great economy. he stopped us from getting ripped off by china. it's like obama and hillary

clinton, they are not going to pass up a good crisis. they saw a way to steal that election. that was a robbery. host: let's hear from cal thomas. again, there is fraud in every election. you've got mickey mouse on the ballot. is there enough to overturn the results? in georgia, you've got a republican governor and republican secretary of state. why should they not want republicans selected? give them a bias that they will be more favorable to trump ballots than hyden ballots, how come there were not more trump ballots? exposed inee this the courts. i want to see these ballots. i went to see signatures that

match or don't match. at least we got some of that in the 2000 election. you had people standing right there next to the counters. the supreme court decided it. this is far more complicated. let's see the evidence. that's get it in a court of law. let see people who have signed these affidavits under oath. under penalty of perjury. thethe evidence put on table. let the tv cameras show them. let the people decide. restorehe only way to confidence to our process. host: one of your columns had what are you,

writing here? guest: the supreme court ruling on thanksgiving day was the inspiration for that column. i am grateful that the court decided that governor cuomo and others were making arbitrary decisions about certain businesses and groups that could get together, they were discriminating against jewish synagogues and the archdiocese of new york, telling them they could not worship or perform a wedding ceremony. that's what has got people upset. you see nancy pelosi going to the hairdresser. you see governor newsom going to a meeting in hawaii. the mayor of chicago not following the rules she has set down. the mayor of denver saying

everybody should stay home for the holidays. this is what angers a lot of people. any of these businesses are closing. new york is like a ghost town with boarded up businesses. the inconsistency and the hypocrisy of some of these political leaders who are saying do is i say. it has lowered the confidence level of a lot of people. host: we have a call from linda from minnesota. did i say that right? caller: way up north. good morning. host: thanks for calling. caller: i have a question and a couple of comments. i would like to know if the guest believes that obama is the ringleader of the pedophilia ring that is out there and if he believes president obama is a muslim. believe president trump

is a terrorist? host: let me stop you there. guest: no to all three. caller: i'm so glad to hear that. our president believes that. say all of his supporters. i don't believe that. caller: not all, but many. say that weyou don't give the president enough credit. i want to give him credit for his sexual assaults. i understand that. all of that is going to be adjudicated after he leaves office. it is hard to judge the credibility of certain things. the hypocrisy is not the sole property of one person or one party.

you've got people out there like kathleen willie and paul jones and many others that the neverats were saying you know what you're going to get when you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park. the people on the left when charges made against a republican or conservative, we must believe the women. let's see if this is adjudicated in court and people are put under oath. talk to you to about the pandemic. i am very grateful as i'm is, this ismerican another tribute to president trump's leadership and this warp speed movement. getting a new drug approved under an emergency has taken

years sometimes. the fda could use some reforms. i don't know anybody else who could have done what he's done. the epa will start in ocular people this week. we are going to start sending out these vaccines to the united states to various places. i think this is a wonderful and marvelous thing. i don't think anybody should being behindfor this. i think he's done an excellent job. his team has done a tremendous job on this. hopefully it will work and we can get this thing hind us. host: let's hear from virginia. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. that id to say something definitely believe, that biden won the election. there is no doubt about it.

i've been around for a long time. i don't ever recall ever seen the situation where people went out into the street during a pandemic, when they found out who was the actual winner of the election. talk about like to the enthusiasm of the trump rally. i've never seen anything like that enthusiasm when they found out who actually won the election. this was something that wasn't organized. one other thing i wanted to say about the people who are making these claims about fraud, you never mentioned the fact that the gop offered $1 million for anyone who had information about fraud. theyhey aren't saying how got all of that information, i would like to know.

that color is an independent. guest: that doesn't sound and to me. i'm curious when i see these preprinted signs show up at these demonstrations. this is what social media does. this is how you communicate with other people. how can looting be considered a political position? defunding theg, police, how can that be a good thing for america or people who are relying on the police to defend them when criminals assault them or break into their home. say it was spontaneous.

i don't necessarily agree with that. i think of trumpet been the winter, there would've been the same in the streets, they would be rioting and looting as many did after the 2016 election. i wish you well in your independence. thank you very much for joining us. we will be right back in a moment with another guest. he is from the national urban league. he is the president and ceo to talk about priorities for the incoming by demonstration. we will be right back. >> american history tv explores the people and events that tell the american story. sunday, un-american artifacts immigrant families coped with

poverty and crowded conditions. at 6:30 p.m., a look at presidential leadership during the cold war with william hitchcock. america and the world in the 1950's. the u.s. constitutional debate hosted by the colonial williamsburg foundation. watch american history tv, sunday on c-span3. >> president trump is questioning the results and has not conceded the election. tonight, we look back at two of the most contentious residential transitions in u.s. history. between james buchanan

and abraham lincoln and between herbert hoover and franklin roosevelt. states did not recognize the election of abraham lincoln as legitimate. they considered him a sectional president because my largest support came from non-slave states. >> hoover conceded the election on election day. he was given no choice. it's clear he lost the election. he never conceded the substance of the argument. asbelieved that the new deal franklin roosevelt framed it during the campaign represented fundamental threat to the american way of life. he devoted himself to preventing roosevelt from enacting it. >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern

on q&a. washington journal continues. host: we are talking about civil rights groups. join us as the former two-term mayor of new orleans and current president and ceo of the national urban league. welcome back. guest: good morning. it's great to be with you. host: what do you think the election means for those in your organization. isst: the biden victory proving to be decisive. you are looking at maybe a 7 million vote popular vote advantage. ,hat's a significant victory maybe 5%. you were looking over 300 votes in the electoral college.

coalition,, a broad states in the upper midwest, states in the far west. colorado is considered mountain west. .his is a sweeping victory there was significant support from white americans, black americans, latinos. is a sweeping, decisive coalition. represents is a turn away from the failures of the trump administration, the division, the isolationism, the corruption, the nepotism. the self-dealing. the out and out reality show approach of the outgoing president.

only the third time in a long time that an incumbent president has been defeated. george h a b bush was defeated by clinton. count thet, i don't ford and carter race. that was more of an open election. to've got to go back franklin done a roosevelt defeating herbert hoover. the idea, for the american people to reject an incumbent president means a deep dissatisfaction with the course of the country at the direction of the country. we are hoping for a more inclusive administration, and

administration that will be serious about the issues, it will focus on getting us past covid. an administration that will focus on building an economy in this country that those left out can participate in. there is a lot of hope. this is about the incoming administration. joe biden and, harris are well-known to the communities that we represent. i think because of their presence in those communities, there is a great deal of faith in them as people. host: the phone numbers are on the bottom of the screen. we will get to your calls and just a couple of minutes. i wanted to talk a little bit about this transition and one of

the pieces out there that nbc legacy civilwhere, rights are being left out of the transition. i wanted to talk to you about the transition and diversity. here is a clip of what joe biden had to say about the issue of diversity in his own cabinet. >> i'm going to be announcing 15 members of the cabinet. the first eight is the most diverse anyone has ever announced. men, --e three white three men. there are five women. color,re five people of three white people. this is going to be a diverse group. i am going to keep my commitment. this is going to look like the country. i am going to be meeting with the naacp board.

tuesday. my job, their job is to push me. , i don'tcial-interest say that in a negative way, every advocacy group out there is pushing for more of what they want. that's their job. my job is to keep my commitment, to make the decisions. people can take a look and say you will see the most diverse people,representing all asian americans, african americans, latinos, lgbtq. host: what are you looking forward to and abide in cabinet and generally? guest: we have asked the president-elect for meeting. we mean seven historic civil rights organization. we have been in this work since

the 1960's or before. we represent tens of millions of people in all 50 states. we are looking forward to. we are looking for a dialogue. awaiting confirmation about that meeting. the president has made his commitment. we also want to make sure that those that are recommending names to the president-elect have the same sensitivity with respect to diversity. let's sharpen it a little bit. i have a particular interest in african-americans. important,ed very large turnouts in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania and

virginia and georgia. tohink they will want propulsion jet this victory. that westituency represent has high expectations that the president is going to meet his commitments. at this point, i have confidence that he will. it's very important that there be a dialogue, not that the organizations represent all people or all black people or all people of color, we are an important voice. it will be an important voice in the confirmation process. i have known joe biden for a long time. there is nothing like direct dialogue.

direct dialogue with those of us who have been in leadership. we worked with president obama. many of us had engagements with president bush. we had engagements when i was the mayor of new orleans with president clinton. there was no working relationship with donald trump. we are witnessing and administration which had the least diverse cabinet, least diverse senior staff. assault on civil rights enforcement. they chose not to. to fill the responsibility to enforce the civil rights law's at the department of justice, housing and urban development, key departments that are involved in the enforcement of civil rights laws. host: let's get to our first call from california on the line

for democrats. good morning. caller: i'm sorry. i wanted to speak to the speaker before. said they are republican or democrat's. there was no corruption in the election, why should we go to the supreme court? they do the laws for the election. host: thanks for calling. we've been talking a lot about the presidents legal challenges. he says he will take his case to the supreme court. guest: i think it's a fundraising scheme. he's raised over $170 million by saying he is contesting an unjust outcome.

outcome of the election is a smokescreen. there has been an overwhelming defeat by donald trump in this election. disservecan people are elevation ofued falsehoods, conspiracy theories, nonexistent evidence. the burden is on those who challenge and election to suggest that it is somehow unfair, that it was somehow inappropriate. phote contested the 70,000 margin by donald trump. that was four years ago. in the run-up to that election, donald trump said the election was rigged. when he won, he was happy with the outcome. this is all about sour grapes.

manipulating public .pinion to suggest you are raising money. i am urging people to look at how that money is spent. look at what goes on with those resources. i think it's up to $200 million. follow the money. i think there is an element of this is about fundraising. host: pennsylvania, our next caller is an independent. good morning two. america.ood morning, i am calling to say i'm not a huge fan of joe biden and kamala harris. i don't think their record on race is good. i think joe biden is an architect of mass incarceration. cop in being a top

california unlocking people up, i hear a lot about diversity. i don't hear a lot about policy from the brown faces and women in his administration who helped marginalized community and people of color. specifically, medicare for all. joe biden promised to veto it. -- i'm covid-19 we are getting close to cheat thousand, 3000 people a day, joe biden saying, hey, -- 2000, 3000 people a day, joe biden saying, hey, wear our mask. what is clear to me is we have one corporate party, democrats and republicans. they serve billionaires, the 1%.

there is a major new party starting in this country, folks. it's called the people's party. we do not take corporate money and we will have policies that help real people and i would encourage this gentleman and his group, check us out. we are an alternative to the two corporate party system. we will stop there -- would say this. the president elect is not president yet. the front part of a transition is about personnel. are sworn in and you govern, then you lay out what your policies are going to be. let's not prejudge. i take great offense at the criticism of kamala harris because she served as a prosecutor. black long time we had no prosecutors in the united states.

she was the da in san francisco she took a stand against the death penalty and it almost cost her the election. it is unfair to paint her with a brush, when many people have not looked at the effort she made. and joe biden should be taken on his full record. i will remind people that crime bill that people talk about was supported by bernie sanders, too. it was supported by half of the congressional black caucus. if you are going to call out joe biden, call out everybody who supported that in the 1990's. not single out anyone. it's very important to recognize , now that joeoint biden and kamala harris -- the election is over. they have to be judged

on their record going forward. we are going to press this administration on issues of racial justice. we are going to press them on police justice issues. as well as broader issues of race and economics. progressive policies in america today are not defined solely by medicare for all. it's a broader set of issues. the racial wealth gap. increase the homeownership rates. elevate the minimum wage. a broad set of very important energy -- issues when it comes to racial justice and inclusion in america and i think joe biden in kamala harris have to be record theye will establish as president, given the fact it will be a challenging political environment in the united states

congress with a narrow majority in the house and the senate still up for grabs. i am encouraging, hopeful they are going to be bold and imaginative, while at the same time being pragmatic. , for folksmorial watching, you can go to the national urban league website and see a letter that marc morial wrote to president elect joe biden. points,the main fundamentally transform the criminal justice system -- something we touched on -- improve voting rights, achieve economic parity for african-americans, prioritize testing and treatment for covid in communities of color. anything else from those points you want to talk about this morning? guest: i think importantly in front of us will be what is the

plan and how will we ensure that the vaccine is safe for all the great doubts about that and that has to be addressed. i think that there is transparency around the process and how inclusive the clinical and a short people the speed with which the process evolved did not involve thetcuts that sacrifice safety and integrity of the vaccine. i was on a call today and i heard people talk about they want transparency around what the side effects may be. there's a lot of work that has to be done vis-à-vis the vaccine. there's also community distribution as well as broad information to help people make the decision as to whether to take the vaccine. secondly the covid relief effort

the congress is discussing now, in my view, is not enough. but if they pass something, it is may be better than nothing at this point, understanding there has got to be a broad effort, a much acre effort after bigger effortt -- after president-elect biden becomes president biden. workers withotect expanded unemployment benefits, a moratorium on foreclosures and evictions, support for small businesses, we need help. we need dollars for cities, dollars for states, the transit authorities, the school districts. government has got to be, if you will, in this crisis what they have been during the great depression and during the great recession to help this nation navigate through this and that's part of our agenda as well. what we need in terms of a broad

response. a lot of specifics in it that we think will make it more responsive to racial justice issues, but when we talk about racial justice issues today, it is democrats, republicans, independents, there is broad support in this country to make progress on issues of racial justice. go to brian, brian insult lake city, republican caller. how are you doing? caller: hey, i cannot believe 80 million people voted for joe biden. he could not draw flies and these conventions he did not go out to and there is so much fraud here, and it's right there. the media is not telling it. all of the can see

fraud going on, but it has all been started. there was fraud -- president trump went through four years of a bunch of lies that the media tells about him. appointed toyour all of the frog you are seeing. -- you are pointing to all of the frog you are seeing. you say the media is not covering it. where are you learning about it? newsmax. i stopped watching fox news. you have people driving these mail trucks, they drive it to a place in it disappears and you have people coming up that have been threatened. they are losing their livelihoods that were there. you see in georgia, everybody leave -- there is a toilet that is plugged, everybody leaves, and then they bring out more ballots. biden,n the spike, biden, biden. ray charles can see it. host: thanks for calling. marc morial, "the new york

times" talks about record turnout, hinting at the future vote in the u.s. guest: the turnout was powerful. the gentleman who called, he's upset because his candidate lost. when your candidate loses, do not disparage those who voted for the other guy. do not disparage the will of the american people. i don't like the electoral college one bit. i think it's antiquated. yet for years ago, when donald trump -- 4 years ago when donald trump won the electoral college victory, people assented, clinton conceded, and the peaceful transfer of power from obama to trump took place. in this instance, you have a big majority, a big margin of some 7 million votes in the popular

, decisive is a clear win and i can understand people upset when their candidate loses in politics, in an election, but to disparage the system, to take spreade house, to conspiracy theories, to suggest legislatures overturn -- you are suggesting -- i'm not going to make this charge, but it sounds like insurrection and coups. i don't like the outcome of the election so i claim fraud. i think people should understand we have had an election. it is time for the country to consolidate and come together. we will have numerous debates over policy and direction in this country, but at this point in time it serves no useful point if you talk about what people can see -- i can see that 80 million is more -- 81 million

is more than 70 million. i can see that. that constitutes a victory. 300-plus is more than 200-plus and the electoral college. the election, you know, we tould move on as a nation addressing covid, to try to rebuild our economy and not 2024 the 2022 and elections before think is dry on these election results. . goodgary for marc morial morning to you. caller: good morning, gentlemen. how are you? host: doing well. yourself? caller: for the national urban would you compare the obama administration and the biden administration, things you

like from the obama administration, and from the --en in the station, things administration, things you would like to say? host: gary, thank you. guest: i cannot judge the biden administration yet because their ideas are just that. simplyd work is not proposing, but disposing, putting those policies in place. with respect to a comparison with the obama administration, it's very important -- president obama took office 12 years ago during a recession with a different set of circumstances in the country. joe biden comes to office in the middle of a different crisis, a crisis of covid as well as an economic crisis. thatimportant to recognize donald trump is the third republican president in a row will leave the economy worse off than the economy they inherited and leave their successor with an economic downturn, a mild

recession of some sort -- a mild to a severe recession. what i am hopeful for a biden-harris administration will be a laserlike focus on issues of racial justice, particularly when it comes to enforcing civil rights laws and passing new voting rights in making progress on criminal justice reform, and really focusing on racial wealth and the income gap, which is so corrosive to the economic future of the country. we will be working. that is the work of the national urban league for generations and we are looking forward to pushing the administration and engaging the administration to make progress on those issues. ist:

and that should be the most important take away from the jobs report. going to mark. a couple -- comments.couple brief one thing mr. morreale said we need to do with trump is to

morialthe money -- mr. said was we mean to do with trump was to follow the money. a love these legacy -- i would love these legacy organizations to follow the money of black lives matter, the hundreds of millions of dollars a somehow managed to accumulate with their one blackhat not community that they know -- the leaders who do not have these names that no one will ever know of and no one has seen any of reach thears, at any black community they are allegedly representing. the caller said something about kamala harris and her prosecution of young african-american males with regard to their redistribution, of that making lights

-- like of that use. i agree that the crime bill was horrible. eight years in the white house of present obama, he did absolutely nothing about it. it's not until now that he's running for president -- yes, hold the congressional black caucus responsible because i cannot think of anybody who has less useful -- i live in an area represented by a member of the congressional black caucus and it looks like crap. lastly, i think it's funny that he said we should not disparage the winners of this and that. four years ago everyone who voted for trump and every day since then, those who supported him were attacked, some beat up, and i don't remember hearing

beat people up. i required maxine -- i remember maxine waters telling people to from people. guest: black lives matter has to stand for itself. iat happens to investments -- can only speak for the national urban league. i am proud of the things we do. we do not have a presence in mccormick, mississippi. we do have a presence, a new presence, in jackson, mississippi. just in the last year we helped 1200 people become homeowners even in the face of this difficult work -- we provided hundreds of thousands of people with assistance in securing a job, with assistance in securing job-training. hundreds of thousands

of people who participated in ,ur free afterschool program's over 15,000 small business owners who purchase abated and free services. i can go on. i can speak for what we do. i think other people have to speak for what they do. otheronfident that many organizations were very hard. the caller is in mississippi. he should look at his city government and the state government. caucussimply look at the member, but the united states senators. the responsibility for conditions are far broader than wet and i might add that need to, i think, understand we have an opportunity here for a new start, but no president is

an emperor. here is the policy, here is what we are going to do and people line up like soldiers. it is a dynamic process for the congress to put these policies in place and it's going to be a tough road, not an insurmountable road, but what this country absolutely means is, i think, a president who will be serious, not look at press conferences is an opportunity to entertain, not wake up this morning to disparage upon his. to me toeply offensive ,ear john lewis and john mccain american heroes dearly departed, attacked. people want a debate. they want a discussion of

issues. they understand the friction that happens in american politics, but they also want the boundaries of decency and respect on how officials conduct themselves in. --lic host: our guest conduct themselves in public. host: our guest is marc morial. we know the full story is not written yet, but what is your reflection on the election and the fact that many women and people of color were elected in how would you like to see those policy.fluence -- policy? many state ande members.

charlotte, north carolina, just to name a few places where there are strong black women in public office. thing. a positive .hey vote for people you have african-americans who are elected to non-majority african-american districts. that is a bit of a new trend. being an african american not something that will the quality -- disqualified them.

-- disqualified them. that is all you want. for people to look and understand and it has long been the case that african american members of congress mostly represented majority african-american, majority people of color districts, and that trend is evolving to some extent. i would say as many as 60 black members of congress, i think the nexus is probably nearing 40. it's very strong representation. closer to representing the united states. caller: hi, mr. morial.

i am just not that familiar with the national urban league. can you explain to us exactly how it was created? why it was created? was it created in new orleans? i'm not familiar with it. guest: so, the national urban in 1910 infounded new york city. it was founded by an african-american phd social georgiay the name of mccain's, and a white woman who was a suffragette and philanthropist and they rounded the national urban league to prove -- founded the national servicesgue to provide werefrican-americans who ar

migrants from the south, to get away from the collapse of the economy, the rise of terrorism. this migration was probably three to 5 million people from the south to the north. and we began to assist people by finding quality housing, finding , finding jobs in the new industrial economy and we also became a civil rights six.ate as part of the big no one provides more direct do.ices than we we are a civil rights advocates at the local and national level. the impact on communities is

well documented. impact statement and meetld say that where you in the united states, we have -- people may know that role more than the direct services role, but those things are the thrust of what we do. we work in coalitions with civil , ints organizations coalitions with business organizations. and wes on our mission make alliances with those who .lign with our work 2000-plus, we have

employees. we probably have 20,000 volunteers and we have hundreds ofy thousands, maybe close to a million people who are in our online digital community.

host: all right, darnell. just as important, in the , today, weban league served mostly african-americans, but we serve people of all colors. our job training, counseling, home buying, we served people

regardless of race. we are multiracial. history and our focus is on the locked out and the left out in the african-american community. we focus on its. our broad hope is for a multicultural, democratic nation. our strong hope is that people temperatures debate -- can participate in the economic prosperity of this country. but we have to focus on the locked out and left out communities. african-americans have been locked out and left out. the economic numbers paint a tough picture. we have to continue that work. we have to continue to call on

everyone, politicians, elected officials, business, labor, to be part of that work. to be part of that fight. our last caller. jenny. ok.er: i have a couple comments first, ok? yesterday, president trump, he georgiahe governor in to ask him if he can overturn the election there. -- it waswell known on all the stations, ok? and another thing. has not said a word about all the people that are dying in our , about the covid-19 or anything, so i just can't he is not saying

or concerned about that, and as far as blacks go, yes, they have been left out, and one of the things i think, one of the main things is education. they don't get the right education, but some that are were over educated, they still can't get the job that really they deserve. that's a big problem, too, as far as education goes. from the beginning, they don't get to go to good schools, they don't get a good education. host: thank you for calling. a final word from you this morning, marc morial? guest: i encourage people to follow the national urban league ,

@marcmorial across all the channels. it's always great to be on "washington journal." it's always great to engage with people across the nation. and i hope that people will recognize that we are at a pivot .oint and i am going to be in this fight. we have racial justice and when we fight for these things, we are fighting for something that is good for all americans. marc morial from the

national urban league. guest: thanks for having me. we will take another short break and then we will return to the theme we product earlier, the president's legal pursuit to overturn election results. has president trump proven election fraud claims? if you think that he has proven his case, call 202-748-8000. .f you say no, 202-748-8001 for georgiate line residents because of the debate between the senate candidates and the rally last night. 202-748-8002. we will be right back. >> american history tv on c-span3 -- exploring the events in the history that tell the

story of the american people. on sunday, on american artifacts, tour the lower east --e with buildings. and we have the author of the age of eisenhower. then at 9 p.m., a u.s. hosted to auttle debate featuring reenactment from founding fathers james madison and george mason on issues from voting rights to slavery. president trump's questioning results and has not conceded the results of the election.

we will look back at two of the most contentious presidential transitions in american history, in 1861 between james buchanan and iran lincoln and between herbert hoover and franklin roosevelt. they did not recognize the lincoln as ibrahim legitimate. they considered him a sectional present because by and large's support came from non-slave states. no sooner had he been election -- elected that south carolina makes good on its promise to secede. -- hoover had no choice, but he never conceded the substance of the argument. he continued to believe the new deal, as roosevelt framed it during the campaign and began to work towards it after the aection am a represented

fundamental threat to the american way of life. he devoted himself to preventing roosevelt from being able to enact it. "q&a."ght on c-span's >> you're watching american history tv. all weekend, every weekend on c-span 3. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we want to get more of the president's claim about the elections. first, a little taste of his rally with supporters in georgia. [video clip] president trump: we continue to fight. we just need somebody with courage to do what they have to do, because everyone knows it's wrong. we need someone with courage, someone who makes decisions. we will be going to the supreme court very shortly, and we , if we haveave

courage and wisdom, i think you know what the answer is going to be because you can't let people get away with what they got away with. same time, we have this headline in politico "donald trump's, brutal day in brutal results from republican judges and in some cases donald trump appointees. rebecca says he has not proven the claims. he sureno, not yet, but is working on it. he is like a dog with a bone with those ballots. there is no way this man is going to give it off. it's not over until it is over. biden is still waiting and watching. there's a lot that can happen between now and january.

the last thing i would like to comment on is maybe it's a good thing the inauguration will be wouldl because trump probably jump up on the stage and put his hand on the bible. that's where we are at now. i just want to say to the american people, we will get through this. we will. thank you. out west,ng albuquerque on the yes line. david is calling. david, you think the president has proven himself. what have you seen or heard that makes you feel the way you do? caller: check this out. the video they showed yesterday --have you showed it? on the fraud that is being taken care of? host: these opposes video from georgia? caller: yes. host: we have shown it. caller:? what do you see in that video? host: what do you see, david? caller: what do you see? host: i'm going to push it back

to you. this is about the viewers. caller: i know everyone in the whole united states can see what is going on. you can see how they were switching the ballots and bringing them out. you smile and you laugh. are you listening to me? caller: i am and i'm not laughing, david. i am i'm not laughing, david. caller: everyone one of you show c-span when they president trump, they never show what he is showing on the screen. you just show president trump. in that video, you guys know just as well as the whole united states knows that is the tip of the iceberg of showing you these people, you know that they were

throwing those ballots over and over again. you guys know this, but you won't. advertise it -- you won't advertise it. host: all right, call from david there. no line.ur right, president trump. he has hotels. he has casinos. he has golf courses. president trump, who is a businessman, should not be in that white house. doing is blowing smoke out of his mouth, out of his nose, and out of his rear end. president trump, he needs to be removed from the white house, send in the u.s. marshall on him, get him out. thanks for calling, w

ilhelm. i want to remind you, tonight there is the senate debate , theen kelly loeffler incumbent in the senate race, and raphael warnock. no commercial breaks your review can watch the whole thing life. we will show you a couple times in the overnight as well and rally froment trump valdosta in southern georgia, you can watch that anytime you like. bob is on the line. do you think the president has proven himself? caller: thank you. no, i don't. even though the evidence is overwhelming there was fraud, he he refuses to make a case with biden's own confession when he said "we have put together the most inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of

american politics." confession ofa the sites, the case is moot. that goes to the states. the constitution guarantees the state select the electors, so it's not up to any judge or -- superiorir court. thank you very much. i appreciate what you are all doing. i will be watching tonight. host: thanks for calling. meantime,ral college, meets tomorrow. you can look at the coverage of that gathering a week from tomorrow. mike calling from ohio. on the yes line. thathave you seen or heard makes you: on the yes line? tell us. presidentdid watch trump last night and i do agree with the gentleman who called in

briefly ago with the comments -- i think it's really suspicious it wasn't shown what exactly was going on in that video. it showed president trump. the nation was to see the video. we havele scenario -- steelworkers here in ohio and we have a contract situation here a little over a year ago where we voted it down twice. it went to a mail-in vote. it went to a mail-in ballot, and i just -- i don't buy any of this stuff is going on. i think there's too many people coming forward and president trump has done miracles for this country. my job is the result of the present we have and i am very proud he is my president. all right. decatur, georgia. good morning. caller: good morning. his did mary and trump say,

sister? he is cruel and has no principles. that's his sister. and his niece said he should be she wrote thato book "too much and not enough," how her family created the most world, hisen in the family is telling america who he is. thank you. host: donald in detroit. back to our yes line. i really appreciate c-span. you guys are fantastic. any newi don't have comments. it's just to reiterate comments that have been made. i just think it's a statistical anomaly that barack obama got yes that's less of the african-american vote than joe biden. i get the pandemic, the early vote, the mail-in vote, i understand, i just do not .elieve it's possible

i do not believe that is possible joe biden got more of the female vote then hillary clinton, the first female nominee for president and something i want to point out, we have heard stacey abrams throughout the process, specifically down in georgia and i respect her a great deal. aboutggest criticisms donald trump, that he comes off as crude and crass. speaker of as the rap battle and she spoke at the beginning and there was a poster i saw on twitter where they used --re than 100

host: i want to hear more about the present proving election fraud claims. what are you pointing to exactly? caller: i really appreciate the question. i do a simple google search in the morning time and the first , cnn,that comes in politico, vineyard times, the washington post. i am one of those who has signed up for the parler platform. i am calling from detroit, michigan. corruption is part of the political process. that the voteve count was valid.

what i am suggesting is there of absenteeng ballots. i don't think it's an effort.ated i don't suggest that. i think it was corruption. i would love to see the absentee ballots and the signature matches. i want to see that nationwide. , right?ave anything new we talk about individuals, a receivedresident who almost 11 million more votes than he did the previous time, the first time he ran and then to lose -- that's a statistical anomaly. all right, one of these voices, lindsey graham, the republican senator from south carolina, and how i have

president trump, i think it's fair to describe him that way. here is what he had to a recently about the fraud allegations. [video clip] trump legal to the team, you're making all of these claims. you've got to prove it. doing a video is not proof. you've got to take these claims into a court of law and get relief. trump's." that day in court struck out five times in states pivotal to the path, and losing a sixth in minnesota for good measure, another harsh milestone in a month of legal futility, a company by sharp rebukes from state and federal judges who remain shocked at the trump team's efforts to scrap the results of the election he lost. the most devastating opinions, but friday and in recent weeks, come from

conservative judges, and, in some federal cases, trump appointees. ?hat do you think has the president proven his case? caller: no. the courts in republican states ,hat handled the elections there was no fraud. trump's justice department there was no fraud on a what skill that would change the results of the election. trump is just the trying to raise money for his campaign and keeping his base stirred up and feeding them false information that has been proven to be false. i think they should introduce a bill or something in congress to and him removed from office put pence in as president until

the year is over. we have our caller on the yes line. tell us why. caller: yes, i do believe he has. i do not believe it is him who has proved it. it's the american citizens who have come forward. also this election, to me, was not an american election. it was a socialist election. november 3 became the first time we are experiencing socialism. host: what do you mean? break that down. to when wem pointing went to these unsolicited ballots where there's a lot of fraud that can occur. verification that it dead,erson, alive, illegal, knows the dentures, and i don't believe in those ballots at all because in my state eye out my drivers license and i have my voter registration card,

and anybody who wants to vote can get a state id for free and they can take that into vote, so when we excuse people and put in these unsolicited ballots, we are just right for really fraudulent ballots to be brought in -- from where? there is no verification on those ballots. result, the people who are on those ballots, how do we know they even exist? had an illegal using my address and she was voting and serveso got a notice to jury duty in my county. is a democratic county, although i voted republican, and they never gave me an answer as to why she was using my address, why she was allowed to serve on

jury duty. which he wasn't, because i got it out of my mailbox before she got it. apparently she had been getting stuff out of my mailbox. i lived in a rural area -- host: did you get that straightened out legally? caller: no, no, i didn't. if it is her, how many others are doing that? they kind of ignored everything. was upgosh, when i there, they give me nothing, except they took the information i had from my mailbox and they kept it. i gave them the name of the government person who had contacted me previously -- that's how i knew she was illegal -- dorothy, thank you. i have a couple thoughts. of course, he lost.

the american people and voters delivered a very strong -- is he likes to phrase everything -- two word message. you're fired. being a tantrum throwing, incompetent nincompoop he is, he cannot accept the fact that, you know, the message. hit the road, already. i have one grievance with the missingbecause i was the journal for the last few months and then when i got it -- steve scully was let go. please bring him back. as delighted as i was to have the journal back on, when i found out he was gone, it was like getting punched in the gut. i don't know what he did, but i don't feel that i should be punished because he was my favorite. the voice of tim there.

time for a few more calls. recap forgton post recent events in georgia. he is pressing the georgia governor to flip the election results. he called governor kemp, a republican, saturday morning to urge them to persuade state legislatures to overturn a result biden and asked the governor to order an audit. the latest brazen effort by the theident to interfere in 2020 election. hours before he was to have a toly, trump pressed camp appoint electors who would back the president at the electoral college, according to people familiar with the conversation. he also asked him to order an

audit. something that can't has noted he has no power to do. that is in the washington post. and we do have this georgia call now. it's frederick from new brunswick. good morning. there are so many topics to cover. thist to try to talk about dominion software. i was watching on newsmax and they were showing giuliani cross-examining the man in charge and they were showing graphs in reference to the votes and these 600,000 votes, it seems like that got placed for biden, and there is no way that the machines could put that many votes out at one time and only 30,000 votes for trump. broadcast. being the major networks are not covering any of the real

evidence, it seems to me and you also have social media where people are ignorant and -- not ignorant and they can see things and even though the major media outlets don't cover it, the american people are informed in a lot of ways and have their ways of finding out the truth and you've got 5000 ballots here, 2000 here, they found them in a box. is that not call fraught --fraud ? they are not matching these signatures up. bring them out in the open. bring these out. think of theu performance of your governor, brian kemp, and some of the election officials we have seen so much of on the network recently? caller: in regards to he just said he does not have the power to be able to order that, i am not a politician, i don't know

-- openness is what should be out there. host: frederick, thanks for calling. a reminder that the house and senate are both in tomorrow. the highlight of the week, the defense authorization bill, the annual bill that deals with the senate policies. we do expect the senate to take that up. debates onnd smaller the networks. also waiting on a bill for a one-week stopgap. they may not be ready to fund the government for the fiscal year. maybe one of the short-term continuing resolutions. of course there has been accelerated talk about a covid bill.

we will learn more as the week goes on. kentucky, on the yes line. good morning. caller: good morning. i enjoy your show. , theoverwhelming circumstantial evidence and some actual evidence, it has been proven. am an air force veteran. 42 state, 42 states, that was the result of my career that i 35 years,ose to college-educated, but crawled out from under a rock in eastern kentucky. 1968, i did not watch directly, news,me magazine, u.s. parade magazines have the long college protesters -- they beforethem beatniks

1966. then they change their names to hippies. they vandalized chicago during the 1968 the media has been hostile towards sandreps christians all my adult life. it's clear this is the most corrupt media that we've had ever in my lifetime. and, yes, there's so much stuff that i would like to share with the listening you'd here, but we don't have time, and you're certainly not going to allow me that time. it would take hours to explain my thoughts and reasoning. but look, i didn't just fall off a turnip truck yesterday. i've been across this country. i've met with a lot of people, from new york to california. and the bottom line, folks are folks. but there's an appalling,

appalling absolutely ignorance among most of the population. host: going to let you go, and thank you for calling. that was the last word for this program. thanks, everybody, who joined the program today. we'll be back tomorrow, like every day. another edition of the "washington journal" at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. enjoy the rest of your weekend. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] >> georgia republican senator kelly loaf scompler democratic challenger rafael warnock will debate today. this is one of two georgia senate runoff elections that will be held on january 5. we'll have live debate coverage