this is not an abstract notion. i am seeing patients in the office at 40% of our previous volume. we will be at 75%. we will not go higher than that. in order for us to meet the demand, we have to have telehealth embedded in our workload. that, and itdo goes away, and there no way to fix these regulatory restrictions, our patients will be in more trouble. >> monday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. here with former trump organization executive vice president barbara rez who will

talk about her book, "tower of lies." barbara, good morning. guest: good morning. host: the opening line in your book says " i have never been afraid of donald because i know who and what he is." so who is president donald trump and what is he? guest: he has changed over the years. i met him in 1978 and when he hired me in 1980, i had already had two years of exposure to him and at the time, i knew exactly who and what he was. conceited andt not knowledgeable about construction. he was very upfront and a little pushy, not interested in learning about the business so much as dictating what had to be done.

thatched him learn over time and he evolved. from the moment i met him from who he was at the time to a time when i started working with them a couple of years later, he learned that he didn't know everything about construction. he didn't know anything. but he started listening to people, listening to the architects, listening to the contractors, listening to his own people which he did not do when he was working on thehyatt. i got to see what he was like and how to get through to him and how not to let him get to you. i could see that he zeroed in immediately on weakness and i never showed that. i was not week. i was not of him. i saw people cower in his presence but that wasn't me. i understood him and i abouttood not to worry what he put on. he would walk away and come back two days later like nothing

happened. at the time, i watched him change and i continue to know him until i left him in 1998. i have observed him now for 20 years. i can see that everything about him was there when i met him in 1978. like you said, you oversaw construction of the trump tower and you supervise the renovation of the plaza hotel. what made you decide to go work for donald trump at that point? guest: i was on the hyatt working on the grand hyatt with the general contractor. donald got to know me on that project and although we had a crew, he had his own people working there. he had trump tower coming up any one of work on that. i was in charge of doing that.

it was an incredible procedure. it was a big move up for me. host: you write in your book about president trump's penchant for hiring the best people but also hiring yes men and women to be around him. bestdoes he want the people around versus when does he want the yes men and women around? guest: now, he always wants the yes men and women. he must be told and he must be built up any must be buffeted and supported. otherwise, he will do away with the person. years ago, it was about hiring

the best people. i watch that evolve and i left him and came back and so there were people there, not the kind of people i was used to seeing in top positions and overtime, the more he believed he knew more than anyone else, the more he needed to be re-told that until he got to this point. there are cases when you say you want the best people. has he got is the best people, jared kushner, rudy giuliani? i want to remind our callers that they can take part in this conversation. we will open up our regular lines for this hour which means and democratsns will have their own lines.

you can always text us and we are always reading on social media. barbara, i will reach way paragraph from your book and i want you to go into more detail with us about what you mean about this. that comes from your book "tower of lies." what you mean by that? people haven't experienced a time where they may be in a certain position and be forced to take another

position by virtue of the power they have or the authority. i myself was a school board member for many years. when i became president, i had to represent all sides. i rose to the occasion, so to speak and i expected that of donald. i should have known better. i think i did know better and it was just wishful thinking. trump does not know and has clearly shown what he doesn't know about the government. a classic example is the government shutdown. hadp was in shock that he to deal with anybody else and not dictate what was going on. he has no concept of the branches. he believed he was king and that's what he did.

all of a sudden, he had to answer to others. it came to the state of the union and he was taken aback by that. what happened with him was he was so fierce. i can only speculate as to why people went along with him. republicans were known for their integrity and are not known for that anymore. why did they go along with him? were they afraid of him? did he have something on them? whatever it was, he managed to go just to have everybody go along with this. the fact that he had the majority in the senate only reinforced that, it only made it possible that no legislation, no democratic legislation would not get through. mitch mcconnell would make sure

he didn't get to the floor. trump absolutely acted like a king. host: let's let our viewers take part in this conversation. let's start with the leo from franklin, new hampshire on the independent line, good morning. caller: good morning. m.i.t.d for a brilliant graduate during the late 80's and early 90's who worked all over the world and major construction jobs. he told me frankly, he could not work in new york city because the mob was so influential in , the aspect of it construction industry especially concrete work cost them $100 per truck extra to get a truckload in. at the time, the only one building with concrete was donald trump. would you comment on something like this? guest: that's not correct. steel, theou had

floors were concrete. the mafia or whatever it is did have an influence in the construction industry especially with concrete. that was just a fact of life. you basically did all the dirty work. performed, they did good jobs. fabulous and they did a two day cycle which only new yorkers can do where they pour a floor, they trim it and then they pour other floors. it wasn't that they were inferior. it seems that they were controlled by the mob. host: let's go to philip calling from glendale, arizona, good morning. caller: hi, barbara. it's nice to see you on tv. i'm wondering why everybody that's an author these days think they have to write a book

against the president of the united states when it so popular to do. you say that you were an butrver of what he was like yet, you worked there and you became successful working underneath him. why is he such a bad guy? you have to ask at this point? i am surprised. whosetalk to the people loved ones died from covid. evolve.atched him i decided to leave. i lived in the world where many people were watching. up devolving into some character that i couldn't recognize. i would never work for him now

but he did have good projects and he gave me a lot of authority and he respected me. host: barbara, you did an -- iview on cnn earlier want to read your quote you and see if you still think this is true. after president trump's presidency ends, there are really to live it in leveled against him or hanging over his head. the minute he becomes a citizen, i think he may leave the country before the end of his presidency. do you still believe that? guest: i do to an extent. i am a lawyer but i am not an expert. there are legitimate charges and whether he will be indicted is something that

must be going on. i'm sure he is getting a lot of advice on whether or not he stands a chance of going to jail. if he does, he believes he will go to jail, yes, he will leave the country, absolutely. that's my feeling. there are so many different nuances and so many things to get involved in like in the timing but who knows? i know that trump cannata by going to jail. host: let's talk to larry calling from newport, kentucky on the democratic line, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i would like to ask your guest, what it was like for the children to be raised by donald trump? i would like to make a comment uses the wordsmp

disgraced and corrupt when he describes someone who disagrees with him. just as ironic as one can be. what was it like for the children being raised by donald trump in that family? guest: they had a lot of nannies. child may be shared one with another. i worked in atlantic city when they were very young. i don't know that the mother was homer's much is she would like to be -- was home as much as she would like to be. trump did not seem to have that kind of interest you see in most people. he never spoke about his children. he didn't brag about them. it was never like that. the kids were very young in the beginning.

and donald would show up in the office and trump would be upset. he did not want the kids in the office. he wasonce that he said playing lego in the office while he had a meeting and i never heard of anything more preposterous in my life, absolutely not. trump planted these disgusting saying itn newspapers was the best sex she ever had. after that, she was an embarrassment and disgrace. the oldest child, donald junior, did not speak to his father for a long time. they had the kind of childhood that would be normal because trump is a special and wealthy and important man.

barbara, i will tell you that several people on our about media are wondering your intentions and the reasons behind writing this book. i want you to respond to this? guest: for one thing, i am not disgruntled because i have no reason to be disgruntled. after ioluntarily and left trump, he gave me a wonderful recommendation and when i entered the bar.

i became an arbitrator. we were certainly on very good terms. withoutim intentionally -- i could have been annoying and sarcastic and i didn't do any of that. it was time to go. until that time, it wasn't time for me to go. he treated me relatively well. i was paid not what a man would be paid but i was paid well. he respected me and i got to work on fantastic projects. i enjoyed it and i had wonderful people working for me and i enjoyed all of them stop love construction and development and i enjoyed that. people say why did you stay with him? you go back to 1980, find me an employer that was different from trump in terms of racism and find me a union that would have accepted people that were not

white men. concept, i did my best to make sure that none of that, what he did, went through me and onto the people in the field. i cannot say that another person would have done that. myan say that no person in position would not be as racist as trump or xenophobic. i think i made a contribution to that end and i stayed with him until he got so into himself and so out of control that he actually blamed me for something he did. i said it was time. host: let's go back to the phone lines and talk to larry calling from elkhart, indiana on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, my thoughts are this lady here that wrote the book, if i was family or friends of hers, i would be real careful what i said.

she is just trying to make money off of it. if you work for 18 years with the president, why in the world which you write a book about it now? she knows a lot of things that the president did and she probably is part of a lot of things he did do. of thisbe very careful lady. thank you. that: i will not consider a threat even though it sounds a little like it. i don't think you listened to my answer to the last question because if you had, you would not have posed that question. i didn't write the book to make money. myrote the book about experience years ago. money.'t to make it was to encourage money who were afraid to go into construction because it was male-dominated. over the years, i saw trump become something i could not imagine he or any other human

being would turn into. when it came for him running for reelection, i said to myself, i have things that i know that i can share that may help prevent this from happening. that is primarily why i wrote the book, to make a contribution by not allowing this man to get reelected. host: let's talk to beverly calling from brooklyn, new york on the democratic line, good morning. caller: yes, good morning, hello. what i would like to say is i am a democrat. that a lot of republican people think we just have this ax to grind with trump. a lot of us are familiar with trump before he tried to run for president, before he was the apprentice, we know him from the we saw athe 90's and

very questionable behaviors from him back then. that's why we remain leery about him. it's not about the last five years. when people say we are just having something against him because he's the president, that's not really accurate for a lot of us. what i also find is that it's important to get your information from multiple sources. i listen to all the news channels and i gather all the information. if i hear conflicting information, i go to a source. for example, the housing discrimination case. trump lost it and was found to be guilty. he says he one and i want to know the result so i pull up the case itself and i read the actual law case to get a real answer to what happened. nott: obviously, you should

take one source but you consider your source. when you do that people just do out and out lies and it's hard to be able to discern. , is it athe source newspaper of record or a rag? themo to every one of [indiscernible] they made a settlement on that case. the whole idea was not to admit that he was wrong. see andsomething you everything trump does. he is never wrong. he blame someone else and treats it like it didn't happen. stay with that, do that for every thing, every american should do that.

don't just take my word or someone else's word, you can see in context my word is good. host: let's go back to another thing you wrote in your book and talk a little bit more about this. tell us more about. that, barbara guest: when he hired me, he said you are a killer. at the time, i didn't understand exactly what that meant. it meant everything to him. seeing weakness, he would just pounce on that. he would emasculate people in

front of everybody else because they were weak. he would make a sport oven. [indiscernible] -- he would make a sport of it. [indiscernible] it comes from a threat. never let anyone get anything over on you or get the best of you. if there is someone you can kill, even if you don't need to, go ahead and do it. phonelet's go back to the lines and talk to vivian from athens, tennessee on the independent line, good morning. yes, first of all, this

woman is lying. she doesn't know what she's talking about. she is making money off of donald trump. i come from new york city. even walk up the street because of the poop on the sidewalks. and mayor koch and giuliani and the attorney general and donald trump started building in new york city. there was a recession in 1972. the whole city was in a recession. mayor koch came in, the attorney general giuliani cayman and donald trump came into the city and they revamped the whole city. it was the golden years of new york city. they transformed the city into a wonderful place to live. now it is a ghetto again. trump atwith ivanka

the plaza hotel. donald trump was great. they all have faults, good points and bad points. but to take a man's faults and write a book about it is shameful. he revamped the whole city and made a great with giuliani as attorney general. they turn times square from a ghetto into what it is today. host: go in -- go and respond to vivian there. it's not a good connection but i didn't know what she was saying that giuliani should have been attorney general or something, i didn't understand that at all. i wroteioned ivanka and an open letter to ivanka. i told her what she could do and

what positive she could bring in a positiveat she was influence on her father. she did nothing. she says she knows what women need. she says she knows what it's like to have a job and make ends meet. she turned out to be a tremendous disappointment. i really don't know what else she wanted me to comment on. host: she was saying she doesn't appreciate the fact that you wrote a book focusing on president trump's bad qualities. focusing on the whole quality. she says everyone has good and bad qualities. you have talked about that's a talk about that. she failed to mention the

good qualities. there was a time when trump had so much publicity that it reflected well in the city and i think she was touching upon that. said, you have to see some things about trump. we had a very strong relationship. it was enormous. we were close on trump tower and the things he would've done could no longer be possible for him. writing a book, i think i explained to the other caller, i did it because i thought it would be useful to help determine where the country is and i still believe that. maybe some people write a book to make money.

you need a lot of passion to do something like that. host: do you remember when president trump first started talking about running for president? know, i remember --i went back to 1987. i think he had been doing some calculus. he might have mentioned it. 1980's,ater [indiscernible] the people in the office would say, oh, my god, trump is going to be president. oes what i have seen him do in the past which is higher good people and listen to them -- he has a tremendous amount of charm. senseght it would make

for him maybe to become president. that was a minute in time. he knows nothing about it. he knows nothing about government. it he has a terrible attitude. any kind of aspiration -- you trump will not accept it or acknowledge it. he does not pay attention. he will go out and talk about it he knows nothing about and say something completely absurd like you can swallow bleach for something to cure covid. he's not a good person for the presidency and i knew that when he was grappling with it, but

certainly when he ran, i thought it was a joke. i thought it was not a joke, but may be a publicity stunt because it had been one before in the 1980's. i did not think you would ever get the nomination. i don't think he thought he was either. i don't think that was his intention. when he finally did get the nod, i don't think he wanted the job. but the forces sort of came together. a little russia, maybe a little sanders. he hated the job when he first got it. that was very obvious. he thought,a sudden i don't have to do it they tell me. guy. became the tv he got the republicans to agree

with him and single-handedly started tearing apart our democracy. he had lost, without a doubt, the election to joe biden and there are people in this country that believe the united states process of election is corrupt. god help them. let's go back to our phone lines and talk to joan colin from hollywood, california on the democratic line. >> yes, good morning. i enjoyed your book. it's very interesting and informative. in one section you are trump tower and you said "working for the project." what did you mean by that? thanks for quoting.

i would never allow that project --be heard, and that project when i saw trump doing something -- i would try to stop it. was tomy responsibility make this the best project it could possibly be. when you see people who are out -- they had an equitable loss. they -- when trump tried to do

the school contract, i would never allow it. i had to think that equitable would not work with that reputation. reputation. kind of represent the interests of the ones who hired you. you respect the interest of what you are supposed to be doing. i could work for what was bless -- what was best for the project. host: when our social media followers points out that threatenedrump has

to sue people and they want to know if president trump has threatened to sue you? guest: i think trump in his wisdom knows that the book only makes you more popular. it's not about that. i'll think trump considers me to be on his radar. he wants to go after them. from let's talk to brian rate and 10, california on the republican line. caller: good morning. as far as sitting down and riding a book about donald trump, that would have been fine, but to garner your living off someone for 18 years and call your book "tower of lies,"

anyone can do that. but where you summed it up the rest was when you? went on to be a lawyer, ok i am -- where you where -- where you went on to be a lawyer, ok? i'm around a lot of construction lawyers. i am sure if we went back in your history and i'm sure i can find a lot of people, i am sure you would not be the most reputable and greatest individual. you did not have to call it "tower of lies: what my eighteen years of working with donald trump reveals about him." wrong,i think you are sir. i will not allow you to impugn my integrity. i am very well-respected in the construction industry. book because i thought

i should write the book. because ior trump project. the i thought i was making a the remarks and , i think people know what it has been. host: let's talk to sharon from minnesota. note the name of your town for me. bedmmi, way up north. truthm to forget that the

always hurts. isn't that right? his supporters are having a really hard time listening to the truth. i guess i'm hoping that you could put to bed the question -- is donald trump a racist? you have been with him a long time. that is a question that a lot of people claim he is a racist and i remember years ago when trump tower was first built there were stories that came out that black to be were not allowed seen in the tower when trump and ivana came in the tower. i would like you to answer that and i would like people to remember his sister and his niece have also come forward and i think that whether you believe them or not, they are family and

they have stories to tell. is if you could hisibly touch on relationship with his daughter of anke. -- ivanka. comment about not wanting black people working in trump tower, it was not in the tower. it was the casinos. i believe that was in jack o'donnell's book. it wasin my afternoon working hours.

trump called me and a couple other all. -- couple other people. and i thought the comment was -- he said it one time, the first thing he said was what is the man doing up there. it was just ridiculous. unfortunately this was one that they were able to get into in 1980 because the stores were completely closed. they were working at trump tower.

it was not like that at that time. i think i answered your questions, but yes, i think he is racist. it is something, he came from brooklyn, and clearly, there was a lawsuit and they did not admit to it, but they asked for the punishment for keeping black people out of the building. , i tried tosay that put it in context. i went back and forth. it to this day i still go back and forth on that. sense.not good in that it was something i heard a lot.

i did my best china to fight .hat it was not necessarily -- anke, i don't know what that relationship was like. strange, but looks i will tell you, trump had a fascination with strong women. liked women -- i think given a choice between male and

female he would take female if .hey were equal it's very logical, when you think about it. and he said this to me. men are better than women. statement, beginning, and. but a went on to say, good woman is better than 10 good men. and i think he thought that. because we have to work harder. we have to prove ourselves. why did he want me? toknew i would break my back look people. he liked having his top person be a woman because there were never be a question of whether or not that person was better than donald. has that for answers? -- how is that for answers? host: the main read another

paragraph from your book. "i will always have mixed amount -- emotions about donald. even at his worst merely days, he was human and even sometimes humane. that version has been so thoroughly subsumed by his yes-men, his experience -- his ignorance and arrogance, his focus on appearances, his lies and sheeting, his disdain for the working people of this country, his denigration of anyone who isn't a white christian male, and his incessant need to attack." any ofossible to glimpse the attributes of the earlier donald? were a couple occasions were he did things that were nice. he bought me a coat wants because i said i wanted it. get it, i will pay for it. that kind of thing. he was what he is.

trump.'t come donald power corrupts. there's no question about it. if anyone has that, he certainly has that. i don't think you see that anymore. there's a lot of comments about it. let's go back to our phone lines and talk to jane. jane, good morning. morning.ood i cannot believe you allowed this woman who was on prior to me to make that sick comment

about trump and his daughter. i find you an absolute disgrace. you went on and on about trump and yet, pedro, you allow to old wantlk as long as they against trump and they are democrats. how dare you interrupt a young man that was speaking that was trying to tell you something in favor of trump? he is going to come down as the greatest president who ever lived for the united states of america. i find you a disgrace, ma'am. guest: i think you are a bit of a disgrace myself. we are even on that score. anyone who thinks donald trump a good president needs to rethink and be honest and look at the damage he has caused. disgrace, -- i'm not a

disgrace, and neither are you, ma'am. good morning to you. wife told me that i need to write a book. donald trump did not start this raises him. i never got a bad appraisal until 1980 when reagan came up, and we have a standard -- when , mymiss four times immediate supervisor told me the area man was trying to get me fired you read what happened was , it has been there the whole time. whohave millions of people voted for trump. i'm going to tell you all something. you just have something that ,appened in nashville tennessee. 1991.ired me in

this is the day, the twice six of december is when they fired me. my mother was terminally ill. the contract you could go take care of your parents. she was on the ventilator. the supervisor, a white supervisor told me, i don't care if your mother is dying, i have a business to run. she was the area manager for at&t, but they fired me on this day, the twice at of december. this is what they gave me. at my supervisor came to me and said, they are trying to fire you, but i told this lady that i can't do that to you. you are the best man i got in my production work was above. seems to be having a trouble with his firing today, but barbara, let me ask you this question. what made you decide to leave the trump organization?

have you had any contact with president trump since he left the trump organization? guest: i left trump's employment three-time. i did trump tower and i finished it and he did not have a thing in the pipeline. he was a temp boss. so i left. and when i building said,nished with that, i .et me come and talk to you i went into the office and i said, i will come back. the conversation took about a minute and he said, come back.

and i did find him to be different. but we had such a good relationship on trump tower. he treated other people terribly. he treated me ok, but he was very bad to other people. they accrue, the hired man, he wept them out, and from other people. wiped them out, in front of other people. him.w how to work for i was on a project on the west side. it turned out that trump had and along with this motion i decided, you know, this is a

good time. we're working on a project in .alifornia and he had partners what happened was, i ended up staying with him as a consultant. at the end of that job, something really bad happened. wrong and itething cost people money. there was a devastating effect on the project. andtrump had a big meeting

and was very in disrespectful. meeting, that was it. i did not say you should not have done this. it was not for you, either. and i am going to leave. but he was very nice about it. we stayed in contract -- contact. it was very, very close.

when i needed , he gave meons stellar reviews and was helpful to me. is like arned on me dog. we have heard a lot about his relationships with women. we have also heard him talking about sexism. did you ever experience sexism , or didrking for him you witness it with other women who worked for him.

guest: he was the least sexist treating me came to like a man. he did not treat me like a woman. forceful. i was not a woman to him. i was an employee. and he became more and more .exist he talked about women in very

bad ways. this is an evolution on his word. i never in my life i did not think trump would be that bad. there was a combination. it was the more he needs to get away. when he started the presidency .e was not an overt racism i saw him open women and speaking disparately about women. by theiro judge men

wives. and if you are ted cruz, very cruelly. he had a falling out with -- hedy and decided thinks of women as trophies or awards. of anna was. -- ivana was. let's see if we can get one more caller in. that will be holland from perrysburg, ohio. good morning. go ahead. thank you for taking my call. barbara, shame on you. sitting there in all of

your opulence. i am on social security. $200 a month. to, iok to be pretty old thought that we were taught respect. respect your boss, especially the president, because he worked hard to get where he is going. i would like you to say three bad things he did for america. guest: ok. for one thing, he allowed people who were in the shadows to come -- he gave them the opportunity to be like anyone else. he said, i am the president of the united states.

that in itself was something he did that was very that. undo everyd to single thing president obama has done, press obama is one of our best presidents. he has undercut government -- that was because it was all about business. and that tax he gave businesses was a sin. it was wrong, what he did. god knows what he got in return for it. your caller should try not to

judge people by their apartment. there's some good stuff out there. host: we would like to thank barbara res, the author of "tower of lies: what my eighteen years of working with donald ," andreveals about him former executive vice president of the trump organization for dealing us. barbara, we appreciate you taking time to be with us today. guest: thank you.