president trump travels to georgia for a rally in support of republican senators. both are facing runoff elections on tuesday. the races will determine which party controls the senate. watch the rally live from the city of dalton in northern georgia starting at 7:00 eastern on c-span. listen on the free c-span radio app. >> yesterday was the opening day of the 117th congress. common up, we look at the week ahead in congress, including the vote to certify the electoral college results. up joins us. power

molly reynolds gives an update on the new congress and some of the challenges facing the incoming administration, including the coronavirus pandemic. next host: good morning. asked thetrump georgia secretary state to find enough votes. the washington post released a recording of the conversation. you've probably listened to that phone call. this morning, we are setting aside this first hour to get your reaction. is arats (202) 748-8000 number to call. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent voters (202) 748-8002.

you can send us a text this morning. that number is (202) 748-8003. include your name and where you are from. a very good monday morning to you. you can start calling it now. from that recording obtained by the washington post, this is president trump and that phone call saturday afternoon. ballotsare shredding based on what i've heard. and are removing machinery then moving it as fast as they can. and of which are criminal you are letting it happen. i am notifying you that you are letting it happen. all i want to do is this. 11,780 voteso find

, one more than we have. we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. a lot of people think it wasn't a mistake, it was much more criminal than that. it's a big problem in georgia. it's not a problem that's going away. that was president trump in that phone call. here is a bit more from that phone call with brad raffensperger. what about the balance, the shredding of the balance? have they been shredding ballots? >> they have not been shredding any balance. there was an issue and cobb county where they were doing normal office shredding, we

investigated that. that was from past elections. past the smell test. we hear they are shredding thousands of ballots. >> the problem you have with social media, people can say anything. >> this is trump media. it's really not. it's not social minute. i hope care about social media. social media is big tech. i don't even know why you have aside. you should want to have an accurate election. you are republican. >> we believe we do have an accurate election. >> no, you don't. not even close. you are off by hundreds of thousands of votes.

that recording was released by the washington post. we will show you more throughout the program today. phone lines are split as usual. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent voters (202) 748-8002. we also want georgia voters to call-in. (202) 748-8002 is specifically -- (202) 748-8003 is that number for georgia voters. if the democrats pick up those seats, they with kamala harris as the vice president would gain control of the united states senate. georgia yesterday, trying to get out the vote to the democratic candidates.

she made some comments about the president's phone call. you heard about that recorded conversation? it was certainly the voice of desperation. most certainly that. it was a bold abuse of power by the president of the united states. that was yesterday evening in georgia ahead of the runoffs happening tuesday. some of the reactions from democrats on capitol hill. the minority whip in the senate said this is a disgraceful effort to intimidate an elected official into misrepresenting the legally confirmed vote total

in his state. it merits nothing less than a criminal investigation. the president is unhinged and dangerous. those who support his conduct including my senate colleagues are putting the peaceful transition of power at risk. that is from dick durbin. king, this would make richard nixon blush. it's an overt attempt to overturn the will of the voters. the calls tosaid the secretary of state was far from perfect. it's a violation of the law. resolution ofce a censure in the house. he should resign now. we are getting your phone calls as we take you through some of the reaction to that phone call from saturday. more reaction from sunday shows

david perdue, one of the senators who is in a runoff taking place in georgia on tuesday. he was talking about the secretary of state and this phone call. reaction to your this tape that's been leaked. your secretary of state was talking to the president. how do you think it will affect the election? that astill shocked member of the republican party would tape the sitting president and leak that. whatthe president says is he's been saying the last few months. we've had some irregularities in november and he wants answers. he has not gotten them yet. that is one reason why i asked for him to resign. we haven't gotten it from our state legislature. he went to court and i went to court.

the court denied his hearings, saying it was a legislative issue. what the president said in this tape is no different than what he's been saying the last two months. host: that was republican david perdue. he is up against jon ossoff tomorrow in georgia. kelly leffler is up against raphael warnock. on tuesday is control of the senate. getting your reaction to all of this, the phone lines are open. steve is an independent. what did you think about that conversation? i want torst of all, wish everybody a happy new year. close, itten to it sounds like the phone call made to the ukraine guy. remembers the republicans let them off scott

free. proved that isn't going to matter. it doesn't matter to him. host: this is randy in wisconsin it a republican. caller: good morning. there is nothing out of the ordinary. i think these go on all the time. shouldn't that secretary of state inform president trump that he was recording him? that's kind of a dirty trick. that's the way it goes. they just don't like him. hopefully people of georgia will wake up and republicans will keep the senate. that was randy in wisconsin. this is bernie in new york. caller: thanks for having my call. i want to make sure it's clear what he said, what the president said.

he said that he was looking for votes to bey 12,000 found. that gentleman it, , theother republican secretary of state, he said he wanted him to find another 12,000 votes. find. what does that mean? thank you. host: that was bernie new york. the phone lines, democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent voters (202) 748-8002. that special line for georgia voters (202) 748-8003. some of the back story behind

the phone call, behind the recording. this is what playbook rights.

that was politico playbook and their story about the call saturday afternoon. the recording was released yesterday. you're getting your reaction. tommy is in massachusetts. go ahead. caller: you are one of my favorite posts. lamb hasnow if brian the idea that trump lost the election. he did not lose the election. he wanted a landslide. the media has lost all credibility, which c-span is

supposed to be nonpartisan. defundedhey should be by the cable companies. i would say seven out of 10 of your cohosts are left wing liberals. why do you think he won in a landslide? what do you .2? suitcases coming out from under a table, trump having a lead in pennsylvania and then he's behind. come on. it's the emperor's new close. bad onidn't say anything the phone call. the secretary of state should be impeached in georgia. it's probably a crime to do what he did it, to release that call.

it's executive privilege. understand. i know the democrats know they cheated. they are trying to pull off this charade. host: brett raffensperger is a republican secretary of state that the president had this conversation with. he has to about some of these issues that you bring up. let's wait another minute of that phone call from the recording that was released by the washington post. we have a new tape we are going to release. it's devastating. much more thanis the 11,000 votes we are talking about. event was a disaster.

something, it can't be disputed. we have a version you haven't seen. it's magnified. it's magnified. you can see everything. they put it in, three times. i don't know why three times. go ahead. >> you are talking about the video. thatnk it's unfortunate rudy and his people sliced and diced that video. them see the full run of the tape. areevents that transpired not what was projected. >> there were no poll watchers there. there was no security there. host: president trump in that

conversation with the secretary of state of georgia. are getting your reaction to it. this is olivia in birmingham. good morning. caller: the gentleman that called from massachusetts, stop it right now. to are a disgrace to try uphold what donald trump just did. host: rather than getting in a fight with other callers, give me your reaction to the video. how much of it have you seen? caller: everything. it was racist.

we as black people are sick and tired of this. we are sick and tired of some white people. disenfranchise black people's votes. intoot going to get anything. c-span doesn't need to be defunded. you are giving the public an option. we say what we feel about it. you should be applauded for doing what you were doing this morning. he has no morals. he is a bald-faced liar. host: that was olivia in alabama. from the line for georgia residents, this is barbara. say thei just wanted to

night of the election, the biden not tod concede. they would find the votes. what's the difference? talking about people focusing on this word finding votes. caller: exactly. what's the difference? what did you think about that call? think thedon't democrats say they are going to find the votes, which they did find. to redo it all. host: rerun the election? caller: it would be nice if we could. host: do you think it would be a

different outcome? caller: i do. host: why is that? think it would be fair and everyone would have more confidence. that is barbara georgia. this is jack in illinois. could morning. caller: good morning. in my opinion it, i just look at it as donald trump is concerned about raising more money for his campaign. people are willing to contribute to his campaign fund. he's concerned about getting --icted after he has been after january 20. all of this is going on because of those reasons. thank you. host: fort pierce, florida. you are next. caller: good morning.

i believe donald trump won the election. i come from new jersey. of disgustingn democratic cheating. every republican in hudson county works for the democratic party in terms of working for the state, they work for the county, they work for the municipality. they pretend to be republicans. what the secretary of state in , isgia did to the president reprehensible. it truly is. the fact that every single media outlet hates donald trump with a passion makes me like him all the more. why? ownuse i have seen with my

lying eyes the fouled horrible events that the media has done to the president. disgraceful. jobthen they ask this whack biden what color socks are you wearing? are you kidding me? the man and his family have stolen money from our country and put our country in peril all the time. nothing is done. host: where do you go for your news? caller: honestly, i trust no one. i have an mba in marketing. i was taught communication. organization, i hear

little and you windows. the president is wrong. it's always a nasty little innuendo. a nasty little tonto. tot. i want news. i want reporting on events. i could not care less about an opinion. we don't want opinion. we don't want narrative. we want a reported event so we can make the decision. host: that was henrietta in florida. this is the front page of the washington post. they wrote this story yesterday. pressures gop official in

georgia to find votes. the sub headline, begging and threats on one hour car -- call. that is the front page story of the washington post. they also note the first day of the new congress yesterday. one of the pictures on the front page, one of the new members joining the new congress and a picture on the front page below the fold, nancy pelosi obtaining the gavel, holding up the gavel and her mask after receiving enough votes. that was one of the key storylines to watch, if she would have enough votes to maintain the speakership yesterday. that vote counting process took several hours across the afternoon as members of congress were split into groups to be

brought into the chamber to offer social distancing rules. broke ranks and voted against losey or present. votes.ve her enough three other -- present. despite the -- host: back to your phone calls

about this tape. caller: republican line. host: you are republican? caller: republican line. my question is still this. ballot in red states and republicans one, the only complaints are where trump lost. georgia where there are 16 electoral votes. why does that matter so much? when 16 cannot overturn the election. that is my question. thank you. host: if this gets overturned, does it make it easier for other states to get overturned? no.er:

i don't agree that it be overturned. i don't think it would be easier for other states. my question is there are 16 votes in the electoral college for georgia. host: i've got your point. that's less than what is separating joe biden from donald trump. claudia is in georgia on that line for georgia residents. good morning to you. go ahead. caller: i want to remove all emotion. i am reading this from the transcript. this is directly from the call. this is the general counsel. she is a gop lawyer. say mr. i would secretary one of the things we have requested and what we saw read, we would take

the names and birth years and we have information available to us. we have asked for records. there is a universe of people who have the same name and birthdate. we don't have the records you have. one of the things we've been suggesting is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary. says, even before you do that, that's why i included that number. in one state we have tremendous amounts of dead people. i'm sure we do in georgia. then he just rambles. he doesn't ask. he doesn't give any facts. where are his facts? they've gone to court. they haven't presented any facts. that's why he's reduced to making this phone call, to steal

the election. he will not turn over my vote. be voting tomorrow. i have no doubt the election is fair. i live in georgia. campow what happened when stole the election from stacey abrams. that is why donald trump is so focused on georgia. the lady in virginia just asked about the focus on georgia. donald trump knows that georgia when history, our governor he was secretary of state, he was involved in stealing election. that's why donald trump is focused on stealing the selection from georgia. it's complete nonsense. he doesn't have complete thoughts. what peoplerstand see about this guy. that's all i wanted to say.

he is all over the place. host: that was claudia in georgia ahead of those two runoffs that will take place tomorrow. at stake, control of the senate. one of the stories from the wall street journal today, gop money pours into georgia. for outside groups associate with mitch mcconnell has invested $138 million in the race. ifif you want to read more on tt

campaign spending in georgia, that from the wall street journal today. rick, savannah, georgia, your next. caller: good morning. i guess i would care about this if i would have equal access to the tape and to the conversation that biden had in ukraine, when he threatened the leaders of ukraine that if you do not fire the special prosecutor prosecuting my son that you will not get the $1 billion. it is on tape. he said it. access.ot really no air but when trump says something, buddy, it's all over the place. so maybe you could have a show for an hour, have people call in about what biden threatened to

billionthe taxpayers $1 to the people of ukraine, who were probably going to put his son in jail -- host: do you think this story has any impact on what is going to happen there in georgia tomorrow? think if the people get out and vote, the truth will come out -- host: do you feel like people you know will be getting out and voting? yeah, there is no question about it. there is a silent movement, because we are very, very sick of what happened november 3. there is no question that and certaines places, there are things happening between 12:00 and 6:00 in the morning, not only here but in philadelphia, other places. it was not right.

if this whole election was run right and properly, with voter id -- you walk in, have a vote, things would have been different, but that is another day, another -- it is in the past. -- i do feel like and here's the deal. it is not the people. it is the ideas that people are voting for in georgia. and i do not believe in the big government, and i think perdue and loeffler will win. it will be a tight race, but i think the ideas will win. we definitely need to keep our government in d.c. in check, and with the senate, it will be in check. savannah,'s rick in georgia, where vice president-elect kamala harris was yesterday. we will hear more from the president today, headed to

dalton, georgia for a campaign rally ahead of the runoff races tomorrow in georgia. we will likely hear from him on this topic that we are talking about this morning on the washington journal, the lead story in most of the major papers in today's headlines. california,an jose, you are next, republican. caller: thanks for taking my call. do you know what would be one of the greatest fireworks show in your history would be if you -- markt mark live in levine, and we are all familiar with who he is, a staunch constitutionalist -- he has his own tv show and radio show. he is fully versed in the constitution. and i've heard him argue this issue. if you could get him together on your program with chief justice roberts to discuss why the

supreme court refused to hear ie issue of texas, and believe it was 17 other states, taking these battleground states, namely pennsylvania, to the supreme court on the issue of these battleground states laws that wereon ,ot changed by the legislature constitutionally should have been changed by the legislature -- in some cases, they were changed by the secretary of state, the governor, and the courts, and the supreme court refused to hear the issue. the supreme court was heard arguing, coughing and swearing, in their private chambers over the riots that would take place if they took the issues. when a state sues another state, the only place you can do that is the supreme court.

if there is, for instance, a river that runs through two states and one state is polluting the river that is affecting another state, the only court that you can take it to is this up in court. and in this case of the election laws that were changed, this is the only place that it should happen handled, the supreme court, and the supreme court refused to do it. and i want an answer as to why they would not take that issue, because it was clearly unconstitutional. for instance, in georgia, you have that deal between the secretary of state and stacey abrams -- how about bring both of them on the show and let them explain to a republican, someone the is deeply embedded in constitution, what gave them the authority to do that? where did their authority come from to do that? this is what the public wants to

know, why these laws were changed unconstitutionally. host: mark levine is someone the president has been re-tweeting quite a bit overnight, with three retweets of some of his commentary. mark levine has been on c-span some 16 times over the years, most recently in 2019, summer, the talk about his book, "unfreedom of the press." if you want to watch any of his videos in the c-span video library, you can do so on our website, c-span.org. miami, florida, independent, up next. caller: good morning. i just want to put out there -- teacher, have been watching politics, having worked

from home all this time. being from florida, i really believe that trump pressured all of his battleground state governors, and he pressured them hard just as hard as he did over the phone. desantis has been a puppet for him. if you could know all the things i've seen him do, including having a bar association meeting with trump, and all the bars are open, the places are packed down here, everything is going on, the no mask mandate -- i really feel that he expected the governor of georgia to go along, and he was disappointed, or maybe he had, you know, too few. but this answers has changed the deaths -- covid, the he basically opened up

jacksonville beach when everybody else was quarantined, the whole entire country was quarantined -- he does whatever trump asks him to do. out ofhis is debbie michigan, good morning, democrat. caller: good morning. my comment is from some of the ironic words that trump used in the call. like "rumors." a rumor isn't truth, isn't fact. it has to be proven. clerk for 20nship years, the dominium machines being removed, that is a lie. the dominium machines are owned by each and every city and township. , the headocumentation of government in those divisions

, that you own those machines. there is no way that those machines are being removed from anywhere. that, it mind-boggling after three recounts in georgia, that mr. biden still won and this government fails to recognize the winner of an election. debbie out of michigan. from the op-ed pages of the washington post today, here is one from the time living former u.s. secretaries of defense, getting a lot of attention overnight, including two that served in the trump administration, jim mattis and mark esper -- the time for questioning the election results has passed is the headline. those 10 former u.s. secretaries of defense saying our elections the occurred, recounts

results and the electoral college has voted. the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the constitution and statute has arrived. armeds to involve u.s. forces would take us into a dangerous, unlawful, and unconstitutional territory. that op-ed pope best -- ten formery those secretaries of defense in the washington post today, ahead of the formal electoral vote counting process taking place wednesday in a joint session of congress. that will be overseen by the vice president, mike pence. we have been talking about the efforts by republicans to put forth challenges in that process. that will take place wednesday. it will all play out on c-span.

you can watch the action on the floor here on c-span. the wall street journal with a bit of a primer about what will actually be happening in that process wednesday. the law specifies congress convenes at 1:00 p.m. january 6 for a joint meeting to officially count and validate the 538 electoral college votes certified by the 50 states. under that process, mike pence opens all the certificates reflecting the vote tallies sent by the state. he then sends them to tellers to verify the results. statellers then read the certificates in alphabetical order, stating that the certificate from each state seems to be regular, in form, and authentic. mr. pence has the power to recognize any lawmaker who jack -- who objects. it takes one member of the house and the senate to formally object to a state's results and

bring the challenge to a vote by lawmakers. once an objection is filed, with the backing of house members and senators, lawmakers break into their chambers to discuss of the vote. there is a two hour time limit per objection. at the end, that is a simple majority vote. both the house and senate must agree for a challenge to be successful. when it comes to whether a challenge will likely be upheld, they note the democratically controlled house is unlikely to uphold any of those challenges. but we will see what happens wednesday, the action all playing out before the cameras for you to watch on c-span. if they go to the senate chamber for one of those discussions, on c-span 2. sheila in massachusetts. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to make a couple of comments. you are making a big deal out of call of ourphone

president. i am just hoping we have a lot of leaks of biden's private phone calls. i wonder if you can do a series on biden's connections to the chinese government, which you never seem to mention. also, anyone who believes biden received more votes than barack obama has rocks in their heads. and this whole thing that will happen on wednesday, with the legislators casting those votes, needs to be looked into. this election was a scam. anybody that would believe that mail-in votes don't have creases in them have got rocks in their heads. this is a whole scam. the democrats are playing dirty. they have been playing dirty the day he came down that escalator. isust hope that when biden elected president or sworn in, i hope you will give all of us the opportunity to call c-span and call him every vile name in the

book -- host: on the leaks issue, do you think there will be as many leaks in a biden administration or coverage of leaks in a biden administration? caller: of course not. there will be nothing said about things he does. everything that he has done so far has been covered up by the press, and we are in for a rude awakening, because this country will change drastically, and it will not be for the good. host: patrick in pittsburgh, democrat. good morning. caller: you know, i'm a democrat. i voted for trump. sheila hit the nail on the head. i literally listened to all the testimony from the people who participated in the process, and this is just one wonderfully smart, indian immigrant to the united states, came to the

united states 20 years ago, and she is standing in front of a table lined with hundreds of ballots, and she lifted up the theres and say why are sequential addresses on all these ballots? it is the equivalent of every person in my community voting at the same time and mailing in same ballots at the mailbox and standing in line to do so -- this did you listen to testimony, was this a pennsylvania case you are talking about? rifer: allegheny county is with treachery. the allegheny county announced that 30,000 ballots were sent to wrong addresses. course, the information is being completely managed. and then they turn around say, well, the court required them to do this count at 5:00 on friday -- you know, i am a democrat.

i am indicting the democratic party. this entire election was a sham -- to listennyone wants to the same testimony you're talking about, where can they? caller: they do not have to listen to my testimony, you have to listen to the ceo of dominion who said there is no effing way we'll let this president have a second term. he indicted himself on this. of course, c-span and the rest of the media is covering this up, thinking the american people will be ok with it -- guess what? the american people will not tolerate this. i voted for barack obama twice. i worked with his campaign. what they are asking you to believe is, at the height of ronald reagan's presidency, at the height of barack obama's presidency, that this pathetically deranged new

president got more votes than both of them combined. it is obscene. they are not even hiding this. the democratic media sets the standard for treachery. host: shirley out of florida, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i do not understand why c-span does not have recordings of the state hearings. if you watch the georgia state hearing -- a lot of people have not even seen the georgia video, where they are pulling out the vote boxes from underneath the table. you have those recordings up on your site, so people can go in and actually see the evidence, see the testimony of these poll workers, who have been working at these polls 20 years, and then they report these irregularities and these anomalies that have never happened before? this poor gentleman that drove

his trailer from new york to pennsylvania with all of these ballots in it, only to have his and then been investigated by the fbi -- the poor guy. there is evidence out there, it is just that people are not seeing it. thing gentleman from california, mark levin, to invite the people to watch him -- if we do not uphold our constitution, we have nothing as a country. it is time for the baby boomers to uphold this constitution, so that we have a country to hand over to our children. and we cannot just pick out certain parts of the constitution, we have to uphold it all. it says the state legislators dictate the rules for the election. many of these states, the courts took over.

and under the blanket of covid, changed the law, and that was unconstitutional. that needs to be brought up into the daylight on january 6. i am calling on senator rubio and senator rick scott, who was in the senate committee hearing -- they've heard much of this evidence, with rand paul -- i am calling on the senators to be part of this coalition of senators that are standing up and objecting to the certification of these electors without looking at what actually happened. host: shirley in winter park, florida. this statement from the republican from colorado, and several other house members, their statement respecting states' authority to respect their own electors, these republican members coming together with a lengthy statement from yesterday.

this is what it reads, in part -- as of this moment, not a single state has submitted multiple, conflicting slates of electoral votes. in other words, every state has sent either biden or trump electors. of the six states to which questions have been raised, five have legislatures controlled by notblicans, and they do have the power to send a new slate of electors to congress. unless that happens between now and january 6, congress will have no authority to influence the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. --take action on their wise otherwise is to unconstitutionally insert congress into the center of the presidential election process. that would amount to stealing power from the people and the states. it would, in effect, replace the electoral college with congress, and in so doing, strengthen the efforts of those on the left who are determined to eliminate it or render it irrelevant.

from a purely partisan effective, republican presidential candidates have won the national popular vote only once in the last 32 years. they have therefore depended on the electoral college for nearly all presidential victories in the last generation. if we perpetuate the notion that congress may disregard certified electoral votes based solely on its own assessment that one or more it states is handled the presidential election, we will be delegitimizing the very system that led donald trump to victory and 2016 and that could provide the only path to victory in 2024. oft statement from a slew republicans. kathy from bellingham, washington, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. in listening to some of the other callers, it seems like there is a lot of misinformation

that has penetrated people's brains. and i respect republicans, independents, democrats, i respect all of their opinions. i am just very concerned about effect, onof -- the our democracy, of an electorate that does not seem to be able to pick out truth. the truth has always been the goal of america. i believe in our constitution. i believe in the peaceful transfer of power. everything that has happened since this election seems to have been that the people currently in power are unwilling to give it up and are looking for any way to hang onto it. it is very upsetting. i am very concerned what can happen until january 20. thank you for your time -- host: before you go, do you think this concern over

misinformation, people having too much misinformation, is it worse today than in the past? caller: it sure seems to be. i am only 68. i have not been around as long as other people who have called. but i cannot recall any time where i was concerned about a group of people who have all voted, and even though we have disagreed in the past -- i have disagreed with how the elections occurred in prior ones, but i that ist, all right, our system, i have to accept it. even if i am still vocal about not being happy, i accept it. i accepted it many times in the past. so i do not know why, but it is much worse. i do not know who is leading and putting more division out there, because there has been nothing but division, and just trying to make the divisions worse. host: do you think both sides

are responsible for that? caller: i believe that is true. i believe it falls more on one than the other, but both sides do have rhetoric that is very charged. people realize their words affect everybody. they are like poison darts. host: kathy out of washington. just about five minutes left in this segment of the washington journal, getting your reaction to that phone conversation that happened saturday between president trump and georgia secretary of state -- georgia's secretary of state. here are some comments viewers have been making online. saying theyitter tried everything else, next they will say the call was doctored, blaming the media for trump's crimes. rednight saying the deceptively edited clip released prior to the full phone call amounts to a

national security concern. windsor, connecticut -- democracy is stopping trump from becoming a dictator in that phone call. from john in san antonio, i am old enough to remember when secretly recording the president and linking it to the press was a crime -- leaking it to the press was a crime. alicia called in from surgeon bay, wisconsin, republican. caller: good morning. i really do think it was edited. feel that that tape is -- i don't know. i'm a trump supporter appeared i think trump has done the best for our country in the last four years. the democrats have just been going after him. one thing after another, after another. what else can you say?

call?dited the phone think trump is going to become a dictator. that is alisha in wisconsin. eve out of grand rapids, michigan. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. ise again, my take on this they say he asked for something -- if i call up a friend of mine and say that i am broke or whatever the dealers, and i need something that the person knows i need is money. they know i need money. how can they explain the fact that this -- that donald trump is asking for something, the something he is asking for is for them to change the votes. giving just as simple as a baby a candy stick.

so, no. donald trump has been an anomaly ever since he has been in weice, and no, republicans, are not trying to overturn the election. it seems as though you guys are trying to overturn the election. if you do not have an election, you cannot change that many votes and you cannot have that many votes that are out there that are not for donald trump -- and is for donald trump and not joe biden. i went in person and voted by vote.o the office to so i don't believe there are still in votes. grove,ike out of oak missouri, good morning, independent. caller: good morning. i would like to start with let's have steve back. evidencehis is further of the loss of morals and ethics

of the republican party. trump turned the party of lincoln into the party of trump. governed by lies and deceit. for four years, republicans, led by trump, have claimed dems t ried a coup, to overturn the election with no evidence. but now there is evidence out the rear that trump is doing exactly what tehe dems have been accused of for four years, trying to steal an election. court, 60 the supreme other courts say the election was aboveboard. what more do republicans need? called on thet i independent line, i am an independent, but it just looks like the republican party been poisoned so bad that i am going to have to have a lot of change from them before i will never vote for another republican -- host: who was the last

republican you voted for? caller: pardon? host: who was the last republican you voted for? roy blunt. senator of josh very ashamed hawley. i mean, he is just very -- he lied his way into the senate. he lied to clear -- that claire mccaskill cost our state health care when the republicans the insurancerade , the state insurance. -- i'malso lied about thanks for having me. more we have time for one

call before we finish up this segment. hey, how are you doing? host: doing well. we have about a minute. say we i just want to all saw on november 3, that night trump was ahead all the way up until midnight. 1:00 in the morning. by hundreds of thousands of votes. coincidence that five of the battleground states decide all at the same times that they will the counting or wait until morning or whatever it is, that is the key. it has nothing to do with trump talking to the people in georgia. we all saw it. host: do you feel like -- do you feel like you will ever be able to trust another election? caller: say again? host: do you feel like you will

ever be able to trust the results of another election? caller: i don't think, unless they straighten this out, i don't think that we will ever have an election that you will be able to trust. host: what does straighten this out mean in your mind? caller: straighten it out means please, just -- how is it possible that in michigan he is ahead by 700,000 votes and at 4:00 in the morning, they have a spike of biden votes, of hundreds of thousands in order to just barely be able to beat trump? you see, this is what is happening. it is plain. everybody can see it. the democrats even know they stole it. of we justhe matter need to have it fixed. this is going to be -- i don't inw whether or not people congress or the senate will fix

it, but someone will fix it. otherwise, you will lose 75 million peoples trust. host: that his friend in massachusetts, the last color in this first segment of the washington journal. plenty more to talk about this morning from tomorrow's georgia senate runoff graces to wednesdays -- runoff races to wednesdays electoral college showdown. we will be joined by jackie with preview. later, we will take a look at package,ouse rules said to be voted on the house floor. we will be joined by molly reynolds for that discussion. stick around. we will be right back. >> on tuesday, the balance of powers in the senate will be decided by the winners of the two georgia runoffs. david perdue and kelly loeffler

are defending their seats and the gop's control of the chamber. the democratic challengers are jon ossoff and raphael warnock. hear from them in the final races of campaign 2023 live coverage on c-span, c-span.org and the c-span radio after. you are watching c-span, your unfiltered view of government. america's crated by cable television companies in 1979. today, we are brought to you by these television companies that provide c-span as a public service. >> go to c-span.org for video, live and on-demand to follow the transition of power. president trump, president-elect biden, news conferences and event coverage at c-span.org.

stay with c-span for our continuing coverage of the transition of power, as president-elect joe biden moves closer to the presidency. with the electoral college votes cast from states across the country, join us on january 6, live at 1:00 p.m. eastern with a joint session of congress to count the votes and declare the for president and vice president. at noon on january 20, the inauguration of the 46th president of the united states. our live coverage begins at 7:00 a.m. eastern from the statehouse, to congress, to the white house. watch it all live on c-span, on the go at c-span.org or listen using the free c-span radio app. washington journal continues. host: jacquie alemany joins us. she is the author of the washington post's power of column. for those who have not read it, what is power up?

guest: thank you for having me. that is the washington post early-morning newsletter that covers everything going on for power centers around washington. sometimes, we are focused on day of news. sometimes we have things that are more feature like, looking ahead. this monday morning, after taking the last two weeks off, thank you losses, there is a ton going on looking at the week ahead. host: the headlines this morning, trump divides republican party on his way out of washington. take us through it. with the we lead president doing everything possible to divide the republican party on his way out the door, right up to georgia runoffs that will control the senate happening tomorrow in georgia. we started the christmas holiday with trump's last-minute 11th hour demand. not0 stimulus checks, after having participated in

negotiations for several weeks, followed by him forcing the ofate to override his veto the defense bill. arelatest exercise, what we seeing play out, is the electoral college challenge, which will culminate with a joint session on wednesday. wranglings have been -- the president has been wrangling republicans to contest the electoral college results. he found quite a bit of support in the house. we have a count on the washington post.com. two senators, led by ted cruz and josh howley of missouri are spearheading the effort on the senate's side of the chamber. and it is unlikely that this is going to actually materialize. procedurally, it is difficult. the house is controlled by democrats. there will not be the votes for this to follow through. but, it is detrimental, nevertheless to american

democracy and our electoral process. host: this was all happening before the tape came out. we spent the last half hour of the program talking about that phone conversation between the secretary of state in georgia and the president that happened on saturday, obtained and released by the washington post yesterday. how do you think that will impact both the georgia runoffs that are happening tomorrow, but also the effort to object the election results come wednesday in that joint meeting? gardnery colleague, amy had the scoop obtaining this hour long phone call between brad raffensperger and president trump. and various members of the , a conservative theer, and some staff on secretary of state's side. we have not heard much from republicans yet in response to

the president's threats toward the secretary of asking him and really warning him to find a votes that are not missing. the results were decisive. joe biden won the election. he won georgia. there has been quite a bit of litigation, no election fraud happened that was identified. there is consensus, republicans are split. privately, you have people like mitch mcconnell warning republicans to not sign onto the electoral challenge. that is not helpful for the party, especially before an election. you have other republicans who are -- a call like this, hearing from the president's mouth these conspiracy theories and debunked claims bolsters what they are

doing. i imagine we will see a lot of reporters asking senators and lawmakers on the hill today for their response to this. are calling for a criminal investigation. a member of george's board of elections has called to open a criminal probe because the president is attempting to tamper with election results, which legal experts say veers into questionable legal territory. host: in the mitch mcconnell leadership era, explain how unusual this republican senate split is. a hallmark of the trump presidency has been that republicans, in general, have trump'sd in many of orth th -- unorthodox policies

and way of doing things very we have not seen much pushback -- things. we have not seen much pushback in general. he is leaving the white house in 17 days. joe biden is the president-elect and won the election decisively per year sing republicans pushback. mitch mcconnell realized that there could be some potentially devastating- outcomes from the president's behavior right now, in terms of republican control in washington. he is worried about these two runoff races, which will determine control of the senate. senators david perdue and kelly loeffler, if they both lose to jon ossoffocrats, and raphael warnock, democrats will have control of congress. is also 2022 race was that -- races that mitch mcconnell is worried about.

along with leadership positions in the senate, including roy blunt. they are up in 2022. mitch mcconnell has always been strategic in his maneuvering. that is what he is thinking ahead to while the president is not getting much foresight into anything and is burning the white house down on his way out. host: jacquie alemany is joining us, the author of the washington post power up column. ahead of a very busy week in washington. we will get to the phone lines to call in. .emocrats, (202) 748-8000 republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. jackie alamein he will be with us until about 8:45. emany will bemei with us until 8:45.

what do you think the president will say? i think that phone call is a preview of what we will hear today. that is a concern. we can't say this enough, it is unspent -- unsubstantiated. georgia election day eve, the weekend leading up to the election in november. the president went to georgia and rally. were 30,000 people that came out during the pandemic to rally behind this president. his appeal is undeniable. if anyone thought that him losing the election would be the end of trumpism, i think a lot of people were mistaken. republicans understand that, which is why there is a schism

in the party right now. you see people hugging the president. and others backing away. perdueoeffler and david have had to do a tricky dance here, because of the dynamics at play. they obviously don't want to fully embrace the president's claims. that would mean potentially weakening their own supporters confidence in the electoral system, maybe deterring them from turning out tomorrow. turnout is always a big question in special elections. always generally lower than it is during a regular election. at the same time, they realize that the president's base in georgia is still strong and they need to support him in some regard. when thehy stimulus checks conversation came up, you saw david perdue and kelly loeffler have their finger up to the wind and change

their mind and support these to thousand dollar stimulus checks, which was something new for people who had considered themselves fiscal hawks. see a lotat we will of claims from this president that have not panned out about election fraud. there will be quite a bit of fact checking. i think we will also see some of the same red meat and all-time hits we have seen from this president when he goes to rallies. he thrives off of these rallies. it is where he feels like he is usually at his best. host: we will be airing that on c-span at 7:00 p.m. tonight, the president is in dalton, georgia. joe biden is scheduled to be in atlanta today. all eyes on the peach week. plenty of calls for you already. let's chat with a few of them. robert in california, democrat, you are a first. good morning.

-- up first. good morning. caller: i don't understand the media's obsession with donald trump. every day that goes by, he is less and less significant. that this was some kind of threatening call is ridiculous. i listened to the call twice. i am not a trump supported. all he -- supported. all he basically did is make his case -- supporter. all he did is basically make his case saying he won the state by hundreds of thousands of votes. the call went nowhere. are, oncehe democrats again, at the national level, attacking trump. it is almost ridiculous. he will have this rally tonight. 3 million people have already voted. this election is already decided. him going to atlanta tonight is almost meaningless. storydo you think this and the president's complaints

about the media that will likely come today at that rally are going to help him with his base in georgia? caller: i don't think it matters. he is not on the ballot. what his base thinks or does not think does not matter anymore. help david perdue and kelly loeffler who president trump is going down to georgia for? caller: i think trump is going there for trump. i think he personally cares less if perdue or kelly loeffler wins for he is so trying to stay in the media limelight. what is he going to influence tonight when 3 million people have already voted? it does not really make any sense. host: jacquie alemany? guest: i think you are dead on in that the president does not have much of an interest in the outcome of these races or the republican party per his primary interest is himself --

republican party. his primary interest is himself. the separate issue is a substantial amount of the theseican party believes a source and unsubstantiated allegations and accusations of -- baseless and unsubstantiated allegations and accusations of fraud. much of what the president said is flat out. a lot of people listened to that and came away from it feeling like they believed the president. that that further reinforces a lot of the conspiracy theories that they are reading online. flipside of this, you are completely right. democrats at this point, i think, should be focusing on mapping out the next four years. maintaining power in the house, what they are going to do with this and how they will deal with

a republican-controlled senate. i do think it would be -- we wouldn't be doing our jobs as media if we did not call out potential questions the audio raises. tot are subject prosecutorial discretion. the call was a little bit inappropriate. and some are saying that it definitely violates certain u.s. codes. you see, actually, people who , opening --s calling to open up investigations. it is not just a one off. at ourhipping away democratic norms. falsehoods and bounds of mistruths and inaccurate information are repeated time and time again, it becomes commonly held beliefs

among a substantial part of the party. that is why you see media going out of their way to constantly fact-check. you know, it is that news of the republican party where this party is going toward trump. host: louisville, kentucky. this is bob, independent. caller: thanks for taking my call. what i wanted to say was that i am six states in doubt, surprised that somebody doesn't come up and let them six states re-vote. eliminate allld of the conspiracies. it would take two days. host: would you like to see a revote in kentucky? .aller: no i'm talking about the six states

-- youe -- you note -- know -- they are saying there is fraud. host: is a revote something you think would be fair after you casting your vote on election day? caller: i think it would be fair. if everybody suspects there is corruption, why the hell am i rebuilding? no machines. let's hand vote only. host: that is bob. jacquie alemany? guest: i think the counterargument we are hearing is what about republican's who won races in those states? do you want those racist a revote as well ? caller: good morning. my question goes to the lady. i want you to expend me why

[indiscernible] today, georgia, america, tomorrow the world. what does that mean? host: what do you think he meant, aldo? why are you concerned? caller: i don't know. i want the lady to explain to me. guest: i'm sorry. i missed your question. host: he was concerned about some of chuck schumer's statements. we can go to patty in harrisburg, pennsylvania. democrat. caller: good morning.

trump is so out of control. he only has 16 days left in office. i was shocked last night when i saw the news and heard the news. he is threatening people in georgia. he lost. what more does he want? he doesn't want to be president. he just wants the power. i think he is a very dangerous man. host: jacquie alemany. guest: you make a valid point. there has been quite a bit of reporting over the past six years since the president started running for this position that he was not all that interested in the role of the presidency. but more of the process and then

the title. we were surprised when he did win as were the people repaired to take control of the white house. we are seeing him relinquished the role that he did not enjoy playing. you are not seeing someone who is seeped in policy, legislation. you are seeing someone who is singularly obsessed with overturning the results of the election, who does not like being a loser. -- he does not have any regard for constitutional the raging norms or pandemic that has killed over 350,000 americans. that is also what i heard from a handful of senate republicans yesterday when i was calling around about the electoral college challenge. one senate gop member told me

that this whole saga was embarrassing for republicans, as they are so focused on this issue that is based in conspiracy theories while the pandemic rages. a member of their own party just recently died from covid-19. want to go back to the headline of today's power up column about the divided republican party you talked about, especially on the senate side. if republicans are able to maintain control of those two georgia seats, the runoffs that are happening tomorrow, what does this mean next week for mitch mcconnell, as the head of republicans in the senate? and months from now, after donald trump out of office, is there any lasting impacts, you think? guest: that is the key question. that a handfulnk of people who are presidential hopefuls with their eye on 2024,

including the two people who are spearheading the electoral college challenge, senators ted cruz and josh howley. then you have people like beenor tom cotton, who has rumored to be interested in a presidential run and has bigger aspirations than the senate and who applied his originalist thinking yesterday and was against the electoral college challenge because it is not congress's role to challenge the outcome of the election. think that is going to be a constant push and pull that we are going to see. how republicans try to appeal to trump's space. who can outrun each other. at the end of the day, it will be very valuable for whoever is running for whatever race, up and down the ballot, for trump to support them and, and campaign for them.

we know that this president can be transactional and vindictive, quite frankly. we saw him after roy blunt came out against the electoral , encouraged kristi to primary him. time, if senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has maintained control of the senate, it will be helpful. we know that democrats right away will want to come in and try to push through more relief to americans. whether that is more direct stimulus payments or an additional package that gives money to local municipalities and states, which we know

governors have been begging for. the blossoming biden administration has been bullish on this idea that joe biden is going to be able to work with mitch mcconnell and he will finally be the democrat that will be able to strike some bipartisan agreements. but i am a bit more skeptical of that. i think it is going to be something we are all watching closely. host: you mentioned tom cotton's overturning the election results. from breitbart, this is what they write. senator tom cotton became the first republican senator on anday night who has been supporter of donald trump's agenda to oppose the challenge of the electoral college. saying it would create dangerous precedent that democrats would all but certainly use in the future to underline elections integrity.

this is robin out of old forge, pennsylvania. a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. think want to say i don't there was one thing wrong with the phone call. this lady that you have on here said that they would not be doing their job if they didn't cover all of this stuff with donald trump. let's see. --er he told the truth about biden selling out the country. let's see, if when he is in office, the media and this lady here does her job and investigates mr. biden. let me let jacquie alemany respond to that. guest: yeah, robin. i don't really think there is all that much left to investigate. if you remember, this has been

litigated, investigated. i do think we will potentially see some investigation conducted by congressional committees. know, -- and, you i think you have a bit of a point in that joe biden has not necessarily been vetted as thoroughly as president trump has, by nature of the amount of time they have spent in the spotlight. i think the media will do just that over the next four years. host: a collar on our previous segment asked a question, wondered whether there would be many leaks in a biden seen inration as he has the trump and ministration. from the newsgathering perspective, where do leaks come from? how do you get access to them? biden think a

administration will have many leaks? caller: this -- guest: this is a great question. i was talking with someone about this over the holiday break who asked me if people were paid money, if reporters paid money to get information, which is not how that works. reporter --cur when a reporter strikes up a relationship, a conversation with a source. hands onho has their piece of information or is privy to information that we are not privy to and decides that it is, for one reason or another, motivations are always a bit unclear. generally, what we see in the trump administration, those leaks have happened for all different reasons for it sometimes they have occurred because staffers inside the trump administration have decided it is for the greater good for this information to get out into public view.

leaks work. and then those leaks need to be verified by the reporter. juste just -- we don't take any piece of information and put it out there. after we get the information, we have to confirm it. check back in for comment on it. verify it. there are a lot of different steps that come after information is leaked to a reported. i don't think we will see as many leaks with the biden administration. even if you look at the way the biden campaign operated, it is a tightly knit, well oiled organization. they did not leak much information. we are seeing much controlled, much more controlled releases of what they are doing, who they are picking for their cabinet picks. they are getting behind in terms of different legislation they are going to be supporting. i think it will be a more tightly controlled environment than what we saw in the trump

administration, which is a lot of different factions working out for themselves. of peoples circle around the president who were, at times, worried or trying to thwart the president's actions and use leading to the media as a way to hold the president in check. host: kathy greensburg, pennsylvania, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i want to talk about the impeachment, how they had said the democrats straight upset what this president would do. up said what this president would do. republicans are divided, i'm sorry republicans. you have not watched what this

president has chosen to talk about and do behind everybody's back. call sayss phone straight up how he runs this america. he doesn't care about us. i hope we get the increase but i don't think we will. thank you very much for your time for you have a wonderful day. host: jacquie alemany on the $2000 stimulus checks. obviously, legislation, anything that was in the 116th congress died in the 116th congress. do you see an effort at the beginning of the 117th congress to move to thousand dollar checks? guest: that is a great question. i really think it is worth a dire andjust what devastating situation so many americans are in right now. because of president trump's the-minute haggling for

$2000 checks, millions of americans unemployment insurance actually expired. those $600 checks that were ultimately passed should have been sent out per individual already, or $1200 for married couples. on decembermailing 30. hopefully that is providing some relief to americans. democrats and some republicans supported the $2000 checks who americans need a system it's -- assistance. economists too. they really need this money. , the $2000 checks did not ultimately make it through congress. down 2020ound without pushing back. it could potentially gain more

traction again, as has been backed by a pretty odd combination, which is president trump and kratz and -- and democrats and a handful of republicans. mitch mcconnell has blocked those at tim's and i can't see him relenting on the issue. he has not been in support -- attempts and i can't see him relenting on the issue pretty has not been in support of that -- issue. he has not been in support of that relief package. alemany, author of the washington post's power up column. viewers wantif to become a subscriber, how can they do that? google washington post power up. or you can go to my twitter bio and i have the direct link where you can stick in your email. alemany, clickx

on my twitter bio and my link again, that should show up. a messageto send me at jaclyn. alamein he at washington post ja cqueline.alemany at washington post.com. waiting to speak with you. caller: my question is why is the white house allowing this to go on. we set the goals for all of the country. they don't realize that the ander they let this go on other countries see us like this, so vulnerable, they don't divided we will fall. , whether ittates was a republican or democratic

president that one, we moved forward. we are at a standstill where this president is continually trying to bring division to the night stays. somebody, somewhere in the white house needs to put a stop to this. host: when you talk about division in the united states, do you foresee, if and when trump leaves office on january 20, do you think there will be less division in this country? caller: no. i don't. i really don't. they have toonce remove him, he is showing us right now that he is not going to leave quietly. him,they have to remove and we as the united states come to an understanding that we need to pull together and rally -- right now, we are so

torn up, we are so messed up that we need someone to come forward. i believe that biden will be the one that brings this country back together. when do you think the last time was that the country was not messed up? that we were together? caller: the last time i believe this country was together was when jimmy carter was in office. and this man brought us together. he didn't discriminate against color. of presidency or whether you are a democrat or a republican. he always looked for what the people were going to do. what he can do for the people. host: that is jaclyn in texas. jacquie alemany? guest: i think you have a point.

with over 100 different house members want to disrupt and challenge the electoral ratification that has, you know, played out very fairly . again, joe biden decisively and fairly won this election. the election process has been extensively investigated. there have been many different recounts and nothing has been found. it is troubling for our democratic system. i hope we canre get back to a place where our democracy gets the respect it deserves. i think it is, especially in the media, i think there is some thesece as we call out

events playing out in other countries, as you noted. own countries, there seems to be as much turmoil. int: this is sally charlestown, rhode island. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i am just concerned that the two of you are not really telling the truth, the whole truth. is lots ofre examples of fraud. some of the machines are hooked up to the internet. in georgia, especially in many of the states, the legislature did not change the laws for the voting. they were changed by courts or raffensperger signed a consent cree. -- decree. i think with a lawsuit brought

by stacey abrams, who even now, thinks she won the governorship of georgia. it is ok for democrats to contest. also, trump never had a chance. we had a jill stein recount. it just went on and on. it went right into the electoral too. these machines are counted in foreign country. spain, serbia, germany, italy, why are you telling your people that? host: we will give jackie alamein he the final few or so thetes -- jacquie alemany final few or so minutes to respond. guest: that is not accurate information prayed i am not sure where you're getting that information from. it is not accurate, not true. no such thing has been found. this has been litigated over and over again.

feel free to reject me and i can provide you with more -- reach out to me and i can provide you with more accurate information with -- then what you're eating. tomorrow will be all about georgia. with when i dealing was on the ground there in november. i have heard from sources that the internal poorly -- internal polling says races are pretty tight with david produce slightly ahead. runoff.r know with the all aboutage, turnout. tbd. can: jacquie alemany, you find her on the washington post and on twitter at jax alemany. guest: thank you.

host: plenty more to talk about on the washington journal. we will look at areas of conflict and copper mice with the new congress. he will take a look at the ash compromise with the new congress prayed we will take a look at the -- compromise with the new congress. we will take a look at the house package. ♪ >> you are watching c-span. your unfiltered view of government. c-span was created by america's cable television companies in 1979. today, we are brought to you by these television companies who provide c-span2 viewers as a public service. >> use your mobile devices and go to c-span.org for video live and on-demand to follow the transition of power. president trump, president-elect

biden, news conferences, and event coverage at c-span.org. on tuesday, the balance of power in the senate will be decided by the winners of the two georgia runoffs. republican senators david perdue and kelly leffler are defending -- kelly loeffler are defending their seats. the democratic challengers are jon ossoff and raphael warnock. hear from the candidates in these final races of campaign 2020. live coverage on c-span, c-span.org and the free c-span radio app. stay with c-span for our continuing coverage of the transition of power, as president-elect joe biden moves closer to the presidency. with the electoral college votes cast from states across the country, join us on january 6, live at 1:00 p.m. eastern, with a joint session of congress to count the votes and declared the

winner for president and vice president. finally, at noon on january 20, the inauguration of the 46th president of the united states. our live coverage begins at 7:00 a.m. eastern. from the statehouse to congress to the white house, watch it all live on c-span, on the go at c-span.org or listen using the free c-span radio app. washington journal continues. is a seniorreynolds fellow at the working institution. she studies congress with a focus on how congressional rules and procedures impact governance. the major action on the house floor today will be a vote on the house rules package for the 117th congress. what should people know about how democrats want to run the house in the 117th? guest: it is good to be here. thank you for having me. that is a standard part of the star of the new congress.

if we look at this year, we see a couple of places where democrats are responding to things that have happened in the house, not just over the past two years but longer than that. theeat example of this is motion to recommit. an opportunity for the minority party. , now.publicans to offer one last amendment before a bill comes up for a final vote. of the past several years democratic control, republicans have tried to use this motion to embarrass democrats. try to divide the party on the floor. so, in response, democrats have taken the sustenance of packaged use in that way. it is the culmination of a long tit-for-tat between the parties.

is one place. we also see, for instance, some clarification around committee subpoena rules. which i think is a signal that democrats in the house tend to try to investigate things that happened during the trump administration. and then the rules package also has the number of things that may -- a number of things that may seem small and technical. they are important to the functioning of the house. particularly in the current --ent, where we are still the house is largely operating that in person. like making more information available in formats online. tactical things with things that house moreo make the

acceptable for the public. but also for folks who work there in these unprecedented times. host: getting into the motion to recommit, you say republicans have used it to sometimes embarrassed kratz on the house floor, when bills are moving. explain how. guest: sure. represents the last opportunity to amend a bill before it comes up for final passage. does, the minority party not reveal what is going to be in the motion to recommit. that motion will make it through legislation. they will announce what will be in it. in a number of cases, they have tried to offer motions to recommit that are contentious. democrats- that some

may look at and say i think i really need to vote for this. whereas my party is saying no, you shouldn't vote for this. divisioncreated some within the party on the floor at times. is meant to be a got move by republicans. move by republicans. it is not new to the last two years. we have had the same conversation about whether the parties will make changes to motion to recommit before. but this year, it looks like democrats have finally decided. host: this was a congressman's take on it but this house rules package that democrats have moved.

the motion to reap commit -- recommit is one of the only tools a minority can use to alter completely partisan legislation. he says this is proof democrats are afraid of a publican ideas and will go to any length to shut them down. the house rules package will be the debate that is happening on the floor today. it will be a debate and vote that will happen in person. all of those rules go away at the end of the 116th. this is the new rules package for the 117th congress. do you think proxy voting after the pandemic is over is here to stay? guest: that is a great question. i think as we have seen over the past year, there is a lot of debate over whether proxy voting was the right response to the pandemic. there has been an effort in the house to try and come up with a

way for fully remote voting. they were making progress on this. it will be interesting to see how that turns out. it is always hard, and congress, to put something back in the box once you open the box back up. i would hope that, as it becomes safe for people to gather again in march, large groups like the , wee of representatives would turn in most cases to actual in person voting. votings -- i think proxy was a reasonable and appropriate response to the pandemic. but i do think that there is in norma's value -- enormous value in doing their duty in person. it will be interesting. it will be interesting to see

whether there are some cases where the house continues to allow proxy voting for a member who is absent because of illness or a member who is absent their spouse just had a child. i think we will have discussions about where the line is. like i said, i really hope that, returned to, we operations from before the pandemic. host: why do you think that is valuable? what about proxy voting could make for bad legislation? guest: it is not so much that proxy voting it self as it is that proxy voting allows for , notrs to do their work from washington. importanto much of deliberationnd

nose to the grindstone, in person work. houseat i think a organized around proxy voting or voting, of fully remote permanently for the long term, would have the effect of keeping members away from washington. in making it harder for them to do the really important work. importantment, it is to keep safe and keep their families safe. and avoid gathering as much as possible. over the long-term, i think it is important for the house and the senate to largely return to sure theywork to make are doing the best they can to have those deliberations. host: molly reynolds, joining us until 9:30 a.m. eastern. she is a government studies senior fellow at the brookings

howitution, focused on rules and procedures impact government. today on the house floor, the main action, will it -- it will be about the rules of the house in the one at the 17th congress, laying out the rules and 117th congress, laying out the rules and procedures. .ou can watch that here we will take you live after our a.m.am ends at 10:00 if you want to join the conversation, publicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 up next is built from new jersey. good morning. -- bill from new jersey. good money. -- i would like to see if anybody has checked on the disputed states, the voters in number of

those counties. camp them up and count up the number of votes that were cast number ofand the votes that were cast for trump and see if the number of votes that were cast exceed -- my second comment would be the stimulus bill was passed. it is my understanding there were 60 bills. that were passed. the 60 bills were ridiculous bills that i believe the average american in this country does our money spent the way it is in those bills. don't they print the names of the sponsors of those bills and what the bill was so we can determine whether we want them in office or not?

host: molly reynolds, why don't you pick up on the second part of that, the stimulus legislation moving with larger -- a larger government funding bill. explain why that happens and why it so often happens that, at the end of a congress, that some of these major must pass pieces of legislation get wrapped up and rolled together at the end of a congress. guest: that is a great observation about contemporary -- the contemporary legislative process. in congress now is to build whatd you need to pass something. especially in the senate, where the senate makes -- where the filibuster makes it necessary to get 60 votes to pass something. congress has responded to this by doing more and more really big bills.

built on something that has to pass. in this case, we had the omnibus spending bill that funded the most federal operations. if i have not passed, large parts of the federal government would have shut down. that is a must pass bill. think of that must pass bill as a train leaving the station, the last train leaving the station. it gets really attractive to members to try to attach their cars to that train as the train pulls away from the station. , the 60hese other bills bills the caller was referring to, these are bill's members have worked on for a long time. often, they have been deliberated on committee. sometimes they pass either the house or the senate. they are really just things that are looking for that last push

over the finish line. that last ability to hook onto that train to leave the station. we should pay attention to what they are. sometimes, they can be really important. at the end of this congress, we saw a really important anti-money laundering measure get enacted by being attached to the authorization bill. is a provision in the omnibus and stimulus package the helps folks from islands access medicaid. we should be paying attention to them. this kind of last step of the process is often away to get things over. host: you mentioned the filibuster, we mentioned the motion to recommit as a tool of the minority in the house when

it comes to legislation on the floor of the house. the filibuster is a tool of the minority in the senate. do you think the legislative there will ever be a push to eliminate it? do you think it will ever be limited in the senate? senate? i think there will be a push to eliminated. senatecrats win both seats in georgia in tomorrow's enough, they would have 50 seats , republicans would have 50 seats and vice president elect harris would be available to break ties. act to see the eliminated. and certainly anytime in the future that democrats have a majority in the senate and the house and the presidency, for me the big question about eliminating the filibuster is

always -- what is the piece of legislation you could build a coalition in the senate who was blind to eliminate the filibuster -- who was willing to eliminate the filibuster? we should be paying attention to, is there something they would really like to get done that publicans are obstructing and that democrats are sufficient -- that republicans are obstructing and that democrats are supporting. host: this is amelia, independent. caller: i want to say, i have been listening to you since 6:00 this morning, and it has just appeared so relevant to me that it has been a continual bashing of the republican party. i am independent, but the republicans are no worse than the democrats. if you think nancy pelosi has

not hidden agendas and has not structured everything so that she can get what she wants, then you are definitely pulling the wool over your eyes. i also listened to a woman just totally wake a man over the vote.about the georgia if the rules have been changed and the democrats like they were and had republicans changed during the voting, you would not hear the end of it. to say voter suppression all the time is getting real old. there is not voter suppression. there is a suppression of people who don't want to get out and vote. that is not the democrats or republicans or independents fault, that comes from each person. host: molly reynolds, what do

you think election 2020 will need for electoral rules in 2022 2024? how much will congress be looking into this and how much will states be inclined to make changes to how people are allowed to vote in states? guest: i think there will be a lot of pressure in states to look at the certainly. i think that in congress, we are likely to see a lot of interest in this as well. going back to exactly two years ago when democrats came into the majority in the house at the beginning of 2019, the very first piece of legislation they , a designationne we give to what the party sees as its signature policy priority, that is a big piece of

pro-democracy reform legislation that in part did seek to address voter suppression and expand voter access and make further changes that were meant to improve the quality of our democratic electoral system. i do think that is a place we are likely to see, particularly given what happened before election day with the massive expansion of access to vote by formsnd other alternative of voting before election day, and obviously what has happened since then. we are likely to see particularly democrats in the house try to work on that issue again. another thing the caller mentioned is the question of centralized power in the house. nancy losey was reelected waserday -- nancy pelosi

reelected yesterday and a lot of power comes through her hands. that is not new. we have seen this centralization of power in the house and what we have now is the culmination of a long progression to this point and goes back to previous andkers of both parties not specific. host: augustine, georgia, this is ralph, a democrat. good morning. caller: i just want to share a couple of quick things, because i believe right now, i was in the military and a counselor in the criminal system and also opportunity and what i have two say is i feel right now there is not going to be any compromise.

we talk about trump and how he was treated. mccarthy has already said that he is not going to compromise and he is going to go along with the vote. mitch mcconnell, we know that he is packing the court. the attorney general is going to be the most important announcement, because the previous attorney general shared disorderbout civil when the militia group when into the state that he has control over, he said nothing about these people when they went in and said nothing about the treatment of this lady in kentucky in mitch mcconnell's country when she was went in and killed.

we should not have to be marching. someone with opportunity is going to take the place. this issue reynolds, of compromise in the 1/17 congress, will we see more of it? --est: i share the color' caller's skepticism that we will see widespread skepticism. i will draw the attention to two possibilities that might open up some space for some problems when there is divided party if democrats do not win both of the elections in georgia and republicans control the senate, we have divided party

control and there is some sense that both parties feel a little bit more responsible for what happens. it is hard to to simply blame the other party for not getting things done when there is shared party. that is one possibility. that is contingent on one particular outcome of the races. the other thing i would say to keep an eye on as an opening for billsmise is must pass when congress has to act in some way aware there are severe consequences. keep an eye in 2021 on a couple of opportunities where we will see the need to do something. as always, the need to keep the government open after september 30. at some point in the second half of 2021, we will need to raise the debt again.

and that will be an opportunity to try to reach some sort of bigger agreement, again because progress needs to act on that and if they don't, the consequences are quite serious. host: congress acting on the $600 stimulus checks was a result of a group of bipartisan members coming together and billionforward a $908 plan and that eventually got change. it is what jumpstarted the discussions about these checks. that doesn't view hope that bipartisan groups of members coming together can get the leadership moving on bills when they see they can work with the other side? examplehat is a great of some senators from both .arties working together with the challenge can be is getting those -- what the challenge can be is getting

those senators in those situations to be willing to use as much of their individual powers as they want to to continue the leadership that they need to continue for what they are approaching. groups of bipartisan senators working together to come up with policies and then the question really is, can they convince their leaders that if the leader doesn't move forward with whatever agreement they've worked out, then somehow those senators might withhold their support from something else the leadership wants to do. ,ost: to michael in oklahoma republican. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: doing well you are on with molly reynolds. caller: these people get on here

and run the republicans down and call them all liars and liars, and when this disease hit, they ran around and spreading it screaming and biden and no one told them to stop. they went through the whole city spreading that stuff and not anyone told them anywhere to stop it except two months later there were a bunch of , and nowme-lately's they want to blame it on the college kids and they say biden got elected and there is no way reaganmore votes than and bush combined. they want to raise gas to $10 a gallon. people who have to work that takes away food from them. thank you. what do you think happens in the joint meeting of congress

to countgress is set and certify the electoral college results? guest: i think the most important thing to know is we will come out of wednesday with congress having counted the electoral votes in favor of president-elect biden and vice president-elect harris and we will proceed in a few weeks to have them inaugurated. the process by which we get to that point is likely to be somewhat messy and potentially procedurally ugly we have groups of republicans in the house and senate indicated they are willing to object to the counting of the particular states. exactly which states and how many states, i think we are still learning from their planned strategy. but the way that objections to

the counting of particular states unfolds procedurally in congress when congress does this involves the house and senate splitting from their joint into meetings of the separate chambers, where there is no more than two hours of debate on the objections and then they vote, each chamber votes on whether to sustain the objection are not. because democrats have the majority in the house and ofause there are a number about the good senators who have come out and said they do not object to thes to counting of the votes that we will not see those objections sustained in both chambers. the process could take a while and could involve some very

and will atdebate the very least continue to put forth into the national conversation these claims that somehow the election has been it has not been. cruz leading this effort on the republican side to object to some of the state results his tweet saying, we have a responsibility to follow the law and protect the integrity of our elections. another take on this from lindsey graham, one of the president's staunchest defenders, said yesterday proposing a commission at this late date, something that ted cruz and those who support that effort want to do, is not effectively fighting for president trump. he says it appears to be more of

a political dodged and an effective remedy. his tweet getting a lot of attention. this is the republican saying, every republican member of congress who shows doubt about joe biden's legitimate victory greatlytting acts that damages the strength of our democracy. 15 minutes left with molly reynolds, governance studies senior fellow at the brookings institute talking about rules and procedures and how it affects governments. brian in michigan, independent, you are next. caller: i want to talk about national security. a top-secret compartmentalized security clearance. i worked around annapolis.

peoplethe most credible i have found on television and a long time and i am wondering along the lines of national security and why he has not been in before congress. i want to know how these investigations are going. given the investigations into the biting family, he has first-person knowledge, first-person evidence. we have laptops that we know there is a lot of, but we don't know what exactly, but there seems to be a lot of nefarious stuff. we'll meet talk about national security, it is a very serious issue. host: how much do you think if republicans come if they keep control of the senate depending on georgia tomorrow, how much do you think they will be inclined to move forward with these investigations? caller: when you bring up lindsey graham, and i don't want

to get off track, and it doesn't help when you interrupt, but i will finish. when you bring up lindsey graham and say that he is a staunch supporter of president trump, you are absolutely wrong on that. belinsky toed tony come on your show? host: i have not talked to him, no. caller: why don't we do that. what are you fearful of? he has the highest level security clearance you can get. you will not find one thing wrong with that man or you cannot get to that level unless you run a perfect life. host: i appreciate the suggestion. -- molly?st: guest: how the majorities in democratsers, either

or republicans, approach the task of conducting oversight as we go forward? one important thing to watch in degree dois to what house committees continue the investigations they have been working on of the trump administration. been administration has quite obstructive over the past two years of efforts by the house and committees to oversee certain things that have happened. piece ofof ongoing litigation between the house and either companies who hold some of the financial records with former white house counsel and that sort of thing. one thing to watch is to what degree the democrats in the house continue to do that oversight and then in the senate, as you mentioned, if

republicans do hold the majority in the senate, will they continue to do some of the investigations aimed at joe biden personally that they have hinted at and done some work on already? than the focus on more conduct of the biden administration? we will have to see that is in a period where legislative compromise is difficult, paying attention to what issues congress tries to oversight -- conduct oversight on an is there and under standing on that? this is shae out of florida, a democrat. caller: i want to start off with shame on ted cruz to bring all of these texans into his craziness.

train leaving the station, nancy pelosi and congress, and have to keep track of the cars they are hooking onto that, we could lose social security and medicare and we don't pay attention to those things. the biden administration, we all may have skeletons in the closet, but the biggest skeleton of all is for a human being to walk into the white house who is sociopathic and who has not empathy or remorse for people who have died. all they can think about is needs andic, greedy put the entire nation behind all of that. donald trump squandered his daddy's money and the assets of the united states and the repetition of this country, all because he wants to be a dictator. thank you for letting me be on your show. ist: molly reynolds, what

the brookings oversight tracker? guest: i was talking about oversight, and we have for the past two years been rigorously tracking efforts by communities in the house to oversee the conduct of the trump administration for the oversight tracker is a tool that folks can go online and use to see oversight hearings that housed committees have held and letters that have been sent to agencies to individuals connected to agencies. it gives folks the opportunity to look at different issues the ande has worked to oversee provide a really comprehensive house in thehe hundred 16th congress approach 16th congress

tracked the trump administration. host: will there be one in the 117th congress? guest: we will not do it in the same way but we will look at data and really try to get a there is aether change in the character in nature of oversight, now that there will be a democrat in the white house was a republican. legislating is difficult, oversight is really important. it is really important, especially given the conduct of the trump administration to get a clear sense of what is happening. mike, dallas, north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i would like to ask a couple

questions. is arookings institute democrat kind of thing. we are going to be friends after this election and we have to get the country together, but the democrat callers don't sound like they want to get the country together. they keep preaching hate against republicans. how are we going to get together if you hate me? host: molly reynolds, do you want to talk about what the brookings institute is? guest: it is nonpartisan. -- on issues -- partisan sides on issues. it is a nonpartisan think tank aimed at doing high-quality research and informing the policymaking process. in my case, with conversations

like this about what congress -- and wheness works congress makes changes to its rules, what are the likely consequences of that? that is the kinds of stuff we do. host: the house is getting ready to make changes to its rules today, the main action on the housework today. today is the second day of the 117th congress. we will take you live for gavel-to-gavel coverage when they do. alexandria, virginia, and independent. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for c-span and happy new year's to the c-span crew. host: thank you. caller: you're welcome. a rule change that allows the supreme court justice roberts to swear in biden as soon as the

at the is announced congress that he has won the election that is it. host: what are you worried about for the 15 days in between? caller: i am worried about what donald trump might do. there is no telling. host: ali reynolds? guest: -- molly reynolds? guest: you can't change at this point when the president is sworn in. us and it is on all of certainly on members of congress as well to pay attention to what happens over the next two weeks and to be prepared to use the powers that they do have in the last few weeks of this should to respondlse happen

to that before president-elect biden and vice president-elect harris are sworn in. host: a republican, good morning. caller: good morning. unlike some of the other republicans, it is hard to listen to this young lady, because she is a little young, and it is hard to take. host: why don't we talk about what you disagree with? caller: what i disagree with, it is very clear that her real problems with the election coming in putting it mildly. i used to have to convince juries of things improve the surgeon things to win. i can look at this, and it is just unbelievable the flaws that were in the election. you had dumps in the middle of the night where 500,000 votes would come in for biden and 2004 trump. it was unbelievable -- 2000 four

r trump. going to you ever accept joe biden as president of the united states? caller: sure, but yes to go through the process where everybody looks at this as a national institution. the congress has to look at what about the vote dumps in the middle of the night where the observers were told to get out and we find cameras on showing them pulling out more votes. host: molly reynolds, what do you think? guest: i want to pushoff on the notion of the widespread misconduct and counting of ballots in the presidential election. i do think the point that you would taket what it for large segments of the country to accept the results of the election is really

important. we were talking about forslative compromise and them to work across the aisle in the regicide of process, folks need to believe that is in the best interest of their constituents and that working together is what they need to do. that, to the its dent the -- to the extent the election has revealed the divide in the country, that presents a real challenge for the country and for members of congress going forward to address the many big problems the country faces. host: basten sandy out of waynesboro, virginia -- last caller isent -- last sandy out of winnsboro, virginia. caller: i want to speak about

the young man who called in from florida who raised the specter of huge fraud in the election. it is obvious and everyone ought to be able to see it. other people call in about the line republicans. i was a republican for 30 years and i have now been a democrat for 20 years. i was the same overweight, loudmouth active,, wife, church member when i was a publican as a democrat. i didn't turn into a fiend or child pedophile like something like that to become a democrat. are grassroots people, we going to have to take hold and stop the where fare back and forth between each other. i don't believe the 51% of the people here in winnsboro who are republicans -- waynesboro who

are republicans are my sworn enemies. we will have to do something at the grassroots level. the latter we scream we believe there is conspiracy, more the guys that want to get elected are going to say there is a conspiracy and they want to please us. host: what is an example of something to do at the grassroots level to help? thinking have been about this, and it may be a silly little bit of thing to do but i am going to make a statement and go door to door on my block until i find a republican. i don't know if there are any here, but i think the guy across for theet who works county jail might be a republican. i am going to say that i have my believes and i have my ideas and i have my feelings. i am a democrat. i hope you are a publican. and if they -- i hope you are a it,blican and if they admit

and some people don't want to, and try to get people to say yes, they will respect me and believe that i have my right to my leaves. -- my beliefs. i'm going to go door to door and get my neighbors on the block that we can all agree to disagree and maybe institute something like having a buck party once the covid thing -- having a block party once the covid thing is over. i am going to work through the democratic committee to reach out to the republican committee. we tried it once for but the young democrats screamed they would leave the party if i tried to have a picnic with the republicans. that kind of got booted out. i think there might more for it now. i want to say one more thing. i want to say a word nazi. to think about this

and all the people who call and on either side. there were 79 million nazis in 1939 germany. misled.e dreadfully people can be misled and we need to all that when we are getting hot and ready to get our guns out and have fight over this election. host: can i ask you a favor? caller: sure. host: will you call back and let us know what that door to door effort with your neighbors? i would like to know what happens. caller: i will do that. thank you for your interest. host: molly reynolds i will give you the final minute. caller raises the something important about what we think about why congress doesn't work as well as it should and it comes back to the single -- signals that members

are getting from their voters and whether voters want them to collaborate and negotiate across party lines or if they want them to dig in and just work for one set of rules. to talked about her efforts reach across party lines in her neighborhood, and i think that members of congress need to get those signals. host: molly reynolds, an expert with the brookings institution. we appreciate your time this morning. guest: thanks for having me. host: 48 minutes before the house is scheduled to come in this morning. until they do, we are turning the funds over to you. we want to hear your thoughts on president trump's phone call with georges secretary of state -- georgia's secretary of state.

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c-span.org for the latest video live and on-demand to follow the transition of power. trump, president-elect biden, news conferences, and event coverages -- at c-span.org. journal" continues. host: the congress set to come in in 25 minutes. we are focusing on the lead story in today's washington post . trump pressures geo to see -- votes.to find the call wasrnoon released. here is a bit from the phone call. >> but they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what i've heard, and they are removing sheena re--- moving

machinery as fast as they can come and both are criminal fines and you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. i am notifying you that you are letting it happen. all i want to do is this -- i 11,780 votes,ind which is one more than we have, because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country, because it is a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it, if it was a mistake. a lot of think of -- a lot of people think it was much more criminal than a mistake. it is a big problem in georgia and not a problem that is going away. cominghat conversation three days before the georgia senate runoffs set to determine control of the senate in the

117th congress and for days before they will help the electoral valid -- the electoral college votes. the phone lines are open at democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, , andendent (202) 748-8002 especially for georgia residents, (202) 748-8003. that is where we will begin with sean, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say one thing, there is no fraud in georgia. i voted in this process. they asked for my id twice and my signature matched. the sick -- the secretaries have done audits on the signatures this is the same thing we were warned against he said there will be no transition of power and trump won not really wish

power peacefully. i am not surprised. i believe he did the same thing with the president of ukraine. he pressured. now?are they going to do they have the president of the united states committing criminal activity on a call. he is actually trying to have this guy find votes. host: what do you think this means for georgia tomorrow on the last election of 2020? have seen on friday and saturday how long lines were. they were doing voter suppression down here. they had to close the voting locations. people were waiting in line for four to five hours. the democrats are turning out. it is not going to be close. there is no automatic recount in

georgia. and raphaelossoff warnock will win. we are sick of trump we do not want him to be present anymore. host: president trump headed to georgia today for a campaign rally for senators david pretty and kelly loeffler, two republicans trying to hold onto their seats in georgia. president-elect joe biden headed to georgia today he will be in atlanta, georgia for a rally for the democrats. it is vice president elect kamala harris in georgia yesterday. this is a bit of what she had to say to supporters there. >> 2020 is not really over until we get to the end of tuesday, january 5 and elect to the united states senate a son of savannah, raphael warnock and a son of georgia, jon ossoff to

the united states senate. that is the task before us. us. and in the hands of you and the voters of georgia. to do what is not only in the best interest of the people of this beautiful and great state, but by extension what you will do for people all around the country, for people for whom you may never meet, people may never know your name. because of your activism, because of your voice, because of your fight, they will forever benefit. sen. kamala harris down in georgia yesterday. if democrats pick up the two georgia seats tomorrow, senator harris is vice president elect

and the job as president of the senate could be more interesting because she could be called into break 50-50 ties. independent.r, caller: thank you for taking my call. i really sincerely hope we can get together this year. i want to talk about the telephone call. i want to comment on to comments that were made by previous callers. the first was the lady from virginia. statements, good and she compared the trump voters to nazis. i don't think that is helpful. the second one is where the person suggested that we -- and see what he has to say.

molly was on and she was nice, but she is not firsthand experience of what is going on. she is more of an opinion ist. i am looking for objective data. of course the news is saying that trump was asking him to rig the election and asking for all of these votes. my big thing is, i think there has been a lot of voter fraud and hasn't gotten any coverage in the news except for on fox. find it hard to believe, not only that people went around the state legislatures in several states and i think that needs to be investigated. in nevada, they said they had 130,000 votes from dead people are from people who had moved her people who were undocumented

-- who had moved or people who were undocumented. in my town, a councilman one by three votes. they went with the mass vote by mail here, and my family members who don't live here who are dead got ballots. host: went republicans are independents, or whoever it making the argument, the pushback from the other side is, there were dozens of lawsuits and none of them went forward when it came to claims of election fraud. you would think if there was information, the lawsuits would go forward. what would your response me too that? -- what would your response to that be? caller: they didn't look at the data in the objective nest of the103,000 in nevada -- 130,000 in nevada and they didn't do that. that, there is

not enough to turn over the election over not going to look at it. that is another thing. the person from georgia who had ,he phone call the other day have you seen the ads where they have the people after they send everybody home in georgia because of a water main break which was reported that night, and it seems like there wasn't a water main break, but they were still processing ballots that they pulled from underneath the table. why can't the guy from georgia, and address that and say, these were just patriots working off of the clock and they didn't take a bathroom break because we had a water main break. they just wanted to get the election done quicker? why can't we just have that in the news? host: a lot of these things are back in the news because president trump bought --

brought up the claims and the phone call that we now have the full transcript and recording of. this is the president asking about one of the ballot stuffing claims to the republican secretary of state. this, we have a new tape that we are going to release and it is devastating. that one event is much more than the 11,000 votes. >> what are you talking about? >> the one event was a disaster. that -- itthing can't be disputed. we have a version you haven't seen, but it is magnified and you can see everything. for some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot, and i don't know why. i don't know why it three times?

go ahead. >> you are talking about the video and i think it is unfortunate that rudy giuliani or his people spliced and diced that video and took it out of context. therought it into television and the events that transpired were not what was shown. >> there was no security there. host: that from the transcript of the conversation that happened between president trump and the georgia secretary of state on saturday, released yesterday and getting attention over the past 24 hours. here is an update late last night. georgia state election board member the only mccright of the five board members -- the only democrat of the five members

asked for an open investigation into possible violations involved in the phone call with president trump. getting your thoughts on it. this is sherry out of georgia, an independent from clarkston. good morning. caller: i listened to the whole tape. in the tape, the officials in georgia said they went over every point that the president and his team made and basically debunked it, saying the information they had was not true. in particularly, the tape that spliced presented was and misrepresented what happened. brad am so proud of because he is sticking to his principles and not allowing himself to be bullied by anyone. and i appreciate that in him and the damage it may due to his

career. you did -- host: what do think happens tomorrow in two senate runoff elections? caller: i don't know, because both sides are passionate. it is a tossup. mind saying who you will vote for? caller: the democratic side. host: this is betty, republican, good morning. caller: i want to say that president trump was the best president we've ever had. he has been harassed whole time he has been in there for four years. won thethat he election. the first stimulus check out, he tried it -- try to build a wall. i hope and pray that the

republicans in the senate. that is my thought, because he has been a good president, and i will never vote for a democrat and i will never accept biden as my president. take for republicans to the senate, senator david pretty would go a long way if he was able to win his runoff election tomorrow. senator david could do one of the two republicans in the runoff. he was on fox and was asked to comment on the phone call between president trump and brad raffensperger . >> can i get your reaction to the tape of your secretary state talking. how do you think that will affect the election? caller: i don't think it will reflect. i am shocked that they would

release it and it is disgusting. president has said and what he has been saying and that is that we have had some irregularities in the election in november and he wants some answers. he has not gotten it from our secretary of state. it is one reason i asked him to resign. we have not gotten it from the state legislature. the president went to court and i went to court and the courts have denied as hearings, saying it is more of a legislative issue. what the president said in the tape is no different and what he has been saying the past two months. news.david pretty on fox this is peter, a democrat. caller: happy new year. host: same to you. caller: i listened to the fox tape and i watched a little bit of fox and friends. at one moment, they had the senator was going to contribute to and participate in the

undermining of the outcome of the election and the next minute they have the number one republican in the house praising everybody for putting in so many republicans, that the numbers were astounding. nancy pelosi now is in jeopardy because of the groundswell. the contradiction and deception was apparent this morning and the self-deception of the publicans to on the one hand -- of the republicans to on the one hand, say it is no good and then say we did so well. inn i voted this year and other elections, you only get one ballot, and that ballot has all of the contest on that single ballot. when you talk about ballot tampering, why do we see the distortion reflected in other aspects of the election?

it just does not make sense to me. texas,his is rachel, in independent. aller: we are talking about republican that released phone,. during the conversation, -- release the phone call. during conversation, trump pension the ballots. he fired the postmaster general and then he put someone else in there and they removed sorting machines so they couldn't count the ballots or they would be delayed. people are complaining that the ballots came in later, or they were told that the ballots at the post office needed to be turned in and they didn't do it and the judge ordered them to be. anything that was postdated before november 3 should be isnted, and that is what he

saying. he is corrupt. host: that is rachel in texas. virginia beach, republican, good morning. caller: as a republican since 1988, the election was november 3, now we are paying for it. republicans fall in line and democrats fall in love. you keep poking people in the eye to make them cry, you are going to unify them. they got unified and we are split down the middle. i am a republican. i am not a trumper. we are paying for it now. forget the politics. we can't get people to where masks. we can't get the mail to run on time. we screwed it up and now let's see what the democrats can do. host: what happens to the republican party the coming weeks and months after donald trump leaves office? office,once he leaves

the professional politician will figure out which way the winds are blowing and will reassess. the trouble is, everybody has a camera. you can't say i didn't say that anymore. they got you. we will see a clear out in the next two years. host: who could you see yourself voting for for the gop nomination in 2024? caller: young man senator out of utah. host: mitt romney? yeah, great character. i didn't vote for him the first time around. he is the voice of reason and is made of the and not a personality. we have to get away from personalities and go back to true politics. are: do you think democrats stuck on personalities?

caller: they used to be, but now they are unified. you unified a bunch of different groups to one, they are hard to beat. there are a lot of democrats and when they move the emotion and become a smart machine like the ticket they have now, they are hard to be. if we split our own party, we are going to lose again and again. host: this is pat out of huntington, west virginia, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. that was a very good response right there by that republican. he sounds like a man who has reasoning -- who has been reasoning things through. i was happy to see that. i want to put a little humor in things. i have three clearances and

everybody can take what i say to be gospel. this idea of rerunning the have the why not just best four out of seven since we are in the playoffs, just have like they have in pro basketball. he used to be it was over in the spring. let's just have seven elections and see who wins? al joking aside, there was comic called bullwinkle and rocky. and it said, bullwinkle is acting as a magician and he said, hey, rocky, watch me pull a racket -- rabbit out of my hat. rocky would joke and bullwinkle would pull something out of his hat.

he would stuff it back in and say, i don't know my own strength. happen, from now on, we will be pulling a lion's head out of the hat. we have got to go ahead and do things the way they are supposed to be done and settle for this election and come 2024 go out and work for your candidate. host: that is pat in huntington, west virginia. just a couple minutes before the house comes in. democrat, what, do you think happens tomorrow in your state? caller: i definitely don't know what will happen tomorrow. i am a democrat, but i know what georgia,in 2012 in they know who we are and they know where we are. truth, america, is anything

you believe. if you believe what you want to believe, that is on you, but the truth is what you believe, so who can change that but themselves? have a good day. in hampton,s dj independent. good morning. caller: i have a question for you. i am curious and i watched every channel there is, who released the state of the president and the georgia legislator? nobody has said the name. host: there is a story in political about that that i would point you to. the house is getting ready to come in in a few minutes so i can't read you the whole thing. but they looked into the background of the recording of this call, the washington post obtaining the recording and releasing it yesterday. go ahead and finish her comment.

caller: you should know who it is if you read the article. politico story from talks about advisors that political advisors to brad raffensperger thought it was the best thing to record it and why they wanted to record it to have a fact checking. i would point you to today's political article is the place to go for that story we are out of time this morning on the "washington journal." we will see you tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, four clock and pacific. now to the house. -- we now go to the house. verage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]