1979. today we are brought to you by these television companies who provide c-span2 viewers as a public service. c-span two viewers as a public service. the house returns for legislative business. members debate five bills from the government and oversight committee. at 8:00 p.m. we have life election coverage for george's two senate runoff elections. is expected torew wheeler announce new rules on epa scientific research. morning, women for america first executive director kylie jane kremer talks about tomorrow's pro-trump rally

and washington, d.c. as congress meets in a joint session to certify the electoral college results. later, ohio state university law professor edward foley joins us to talk about challenges to the 2020 presidential election. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: perhaps befitting its status as the last of the original 13 colonies, the state of georgia is not only getting the last word in the presidential race for 2020 with runoff elections, georgia will get a say in the balance of power for the u.s. center for the next two years. welcome to washington journal for this election day in georgia. comments,ow you closing arguments from president trump and president-elect biden in georgia yesterday. we want to hear your thoughts on the importance of this race.

for democrats, the line to use is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, it is (202) 748-8002. we have a line for georgia residents. that line is (202) 748-8003. you can also use that same line for texting wherever you are texting from. on twitter, we are @cspanwj. facebook.com/c-span if you would like to post there. also want to tell you about our coverage plans for this evening at the polls open in georgia. here is the front page of usa today. georgia runoffs. control of senate and voters'-- as presidentnds trump alleges widespread voter fraud in georgia because his loss to joe biden on november 3. republicans are worried those claims, punctuated by trump's phone call saturday when he tried to pressure gop state

officials to overturn november's election, could discourage gop voters from turning out. peach state voters will decide whether david purdue and kelly loeffler will return to washington or if john also if -- jon ossoff and raphael warnock take their place. both ossoff and warnock will result in a 50/50 split in the senate, effectively giving democrats control the senate. vice president-elect kamala harris would cast the tie-breaking vote. today, aboutusa that potential of a democratic win in the senate. hoping forition victory but bracing for defeat in georgia. they write that joe biden is eyeing a more dishes -- ambitious agenda for the first

100 days of his presidency if democrats can win tuesday. biden's advisers are privately skeptical about jon ossoff and raphael warnock's chances. confidants say the incoming team's core priorities will remain the same regardless of the outcome. climate change, and racial inequality. they can see the scale of plans could change dramatically come tuesday evening. read more at politico.com for that. the new york times on their front page this morning write about a news conference we covered from georgia yesterday. the headline is georgia officials announced trump on the eve of runoffs. republican wanted to scream when he called. they write about the official yesterday, give real sterling -- .abriel sterling

mr. trump pressured mr. raffensperger during the conversation to find most overturn his general election loss. to scream, mr. sterling said, in a news conference referring to his reaction to the call between mr. trump and mr. raffensperger. mr. sterling said the president's allegation of fraud had been thoroughly debunked and , i found it to be something that is not normal and nobody i know who would be president would do something like that to a secretary of state. the sharp rebuke offers the most vivid example of how mr. trump's assault on georgia voting roiled the state. [video clip] >> what we have seen also is a difference in the turnout models

depending on congressional district and county in the state byfar in large part driven the continuing misinformation and disinformation concerning the value of people's vote in this state. the secretary wants to make clear that everybody's vote is going to count. everybody's vote did count. i want to make that abundantly clear. if you care about the values and directions of the nation you want to see, it is your obligation to turn out and vote tomorrow cannot be you democrat or republican. -- tomorrow, be you democrat or republican. statementsresident's , we are specifically asking you and telling you, please turn out and vote tomorrow. one of the things i have had to argue with people i have known for 20 years. they say come our election was stolen. our votes do not count. i said, ok, i am not acknowledging the election was stolen because it was not.

if you believe in your heart of hearts that there was, the best thing for you to do is to turn out and vote and make it harder for them to steal. if that is what you genuinely and your heart of hearts believe, turn out and vote. there are people who fought and died and marched and prayed and voted to get the right to vote. throwing it away because you have some feeling that this may not matter is self-destructive ultimately and a self-fulfilling prophecy in the end. everybody who cares about the future of this nation should turn out and vote. it is important. the reason i'm having to stand here and say -- today is because their people in positions of authority and respect who have said their votes did not count and it is not true. host: the headline from the atlanta journal-constitution reflecting the comments of gabriel sterling, georgians urged to turn out in u.s. senate runoffs despite and to dispel

fraud fears. those runoff elections get underway today in georgia for georgia residents. the line is (202) 748-8003. from atlanta, here is terry. caller: good morning. how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: i voted absentee both times, in the general election and for the special runoff. and i have a few health challenges. i tried not to expose myself to any potential illnesses. themy problem is with negative ads that i have seen. i am really quite fed up with that. -- it is like you cannot turn the tv on without seeing something negative and hearing negative things from people.

i know the majority of the things being said are not true. the candidates them and makes them look like edited -- 80 its. diots. i watch you every day. sometimes i tape the show and watch it if i'm not up that early. a lot of people calling in on both sides, it seems like you 45 or against 45 and you are for 46 or 846. the negative comments from people calling in a lot of times are joe biden has not done anything, donald trump, best president we have ever had, but i am not sure these people are getting their sources -- their news from credible sources.

they are getting opinionated news and repeating some of the soundbites on both sides, republicans and democrats. if people can just get their facts straight and stop calling in with all the hate and vitriol , get things the candidate has done and not just based on your personal like or dislike for someone, if that makes sense. terri.ppreciate that, i'm going to show you one more time. perhaps people elsewhere have not seen the ads you're talking about. here are a couple. [video clip] >> we have a job to do here in georgia. america is counting on us. >> only you can stop the radical left from total control. win. you vote, we will if you do not, we will lose america. >> this tuesday, everything is on the line. >> we are going to stop socialism in its tracks.

we are going to save america. god bless america. >> i'm kelly loeffler. i approve this message. , georgias the choice and kelly loeffler spent tens of millions of dollars trying to scare you. she has attacked my church, my faith, even my family. she is trying to make you afraid of me because she is afraid of you, afraid that you understand how she has used her position in andsenate to enrich herself others like her, afraid you will realize we can do better. i am raphael warnock. if you like me to senate, i will wake up every day guided by the values of hard work, passion instilled in me by my parents and inspired by the works of dr. king, who said that life's most urgent question is what are you doing for others. even in these crazy times, i think it is possible to work together to improve the lives of georgians, all georgians.

that is exactly what i will do in washington. i approve this message and humbly ask for your vote. the: a couple adds their in leffler-warnock race. -- loeffler-warnock race. we spent the first hour talking about the georgia senate runoff race is happening today. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. georgians, that line is (202) 748-8003. roy, on ourda, democrats line. caller: how are you enjoying this morning? host: great, thank you. caller: i think these runoffs are very important. i think it is going to show the balance of the senate. i think the democrats can do it. i will tell you why we need to change. republicans have done nothing but cater to donald trump for four years. they are continuing to do it.

instead of getting stimulus money to people, they are fighting for him. i think the democrats have a shot. i think people are sick of this radical left stuff that they came up with. what they do not realize is that the radical left put trump in the last time. he ended up demonizing all the left but i do not think kelly loeffler stands a chance. i think it is going to turn blue and democrats are going to get control of the senate. just the way the political .andscape is falling out it is heading in that direction. --st: -- line host: host: david is a natural, north carolina. caller: -- in asheboro, north carolina. caller: get out and vote today. we have a country that has gone to nothing.

our morals is worth more than anything in this world and the democrat party knows it as well as the republican party. we cannot get a hold of each other's minds. we have to do something because god is coming back soon. vote fored to really our morals. that is all we have left. ont: our coverage tonight c-span will be the simulcast of in results from wsb-tv atlanta, our coverage getting underway tonight at 8:00 eastern. you can follow it on c-span and c-span radio. and at c-span.org. frank, kentucky, on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. my comment is of course the georgia runoff is important.

for biden. if democrats get the seats, he could put forward his agenda, which i think is a good agenda. he is saying deal with the covid virus. it is a shame in the first place, unimaginable. then of course, very happy that he wants to deal with climate change. that is something that seems to always be put on the back burner. social justice is another important issue to me. me that that race in america is still very much an issue. i think everybody will probably agree for different reasons. when they are talking -- pundits are talking about a threat to our democracy, you have to still

really look at the history and it was never really a country where everybody had equal rights to begin with. the ideal that all men were created equal was something that was just an ideal. we are still in the process of living up to it and i hope one day we will. in 2022, the democrats are going to change. caucasians will no longer be the majority. be --e a chance to still set a good example to the world and such.f diversity thank you for taking my call. in illinois, democrats line. caller: good morning. wish all theto georgians would wake up this morning. have two and that are

running for reelection that were on the stock inside floor. glenn, listen to the phone and out the tv. caller: -- and not the tv. those: if we get rid of two, we get rid of mcconnell and that will send him back to or sittingr kentucky in the back of the room. host: this is the front page this morning of the washington times. elections bring out top political powers and a picture of president trump rallying yesterday. here is what joe biden had to say at a rally yesterday. [video clip] >> voting for jon and the reverend will be good for

georgia. rafaelu vote for jon and , you will send two senators who will fight for you, put georgia first, who put you first. you do not have that now. you have two senators who think it is more important to reward wealth and hard work in a tax system. you have two senators who think they do not work for you. they work for trump. think about it. you have two senators who think their loyalty is to trump, not to georgia. you've two senators who think they have sworn an oath to donald trump, not to the united states constitution. let me tell you something. i got elected when i was 29 years old and six more times to the united states senate from delaware. not once did i think i took an oath to any president, democrat or republican. i took an oath to the united states constitution.

as president, i do not believe you're united states senators are going to work for me. they work for the people of georgia. that is why i'm not asking your senators to be loyal to me. i believe they should be loyal to you, to georgia and the united states constitution. if you vote for jon and the reverend, that is what you are going to get, decent, honorable men. they will not put president or party first and they will not put themselves first. they know public service is about you. it is not about them, not about enriching themselves. it is about making people's lives better come about giving people a chance, and even shot. no guarantee, but an even shot. time to start rewarding work and not wealth. if you listen to jon and the

reverend, that is what they have been saying. that is what they have been campaigning on. host: we hear from james in california. about theam concerned georgen but also i think scalias elected because got jobs for the kids so the supreme court would slay -- sway the election. bush --georgia shall be was -- the twin towers and kennedy associate -- assassination before they happened. good morning and thank you for having me. i think the election in georgia is important. i hope anyone voting down there happens to check out the facts.

it is always important when elections are going on. for people who did not know, rgct-check -- factcheck.o didn't excellent article on the claim that suitcases ballots were brought out during the last election in georgia. they found the video did not show that the video itself was actually edited to not show that the people in front of observers brought in the container that was properly holding votes. i also have to say that i do hope the democrats win in georgia, not just because i'm a democrat because trump and the people including the two senators from georgia that are republicans support him i feel try to steal my vote here in milwaukee. . am somebody who voted by mail

if you look at trump's legal case, it was a bunch of excuses to try to throw out legally cast here in the court cases wisconsin. the people who voted by mail, the majority of them had to send a copy of their photo id in when they requested to get a ballot by mail. some groups that trump wanted to throughout in terms of ballots were people who handed in ballots and what was called democracy in the park in madison . they handed their ballot in two and election staffer rather than mailing it back or they voted early, which means they show up in person, show an election worker their photo id, give their address just like you do on election day here and then fill out a ballot which is put in an envelope to be opened on

election day. those were among the thousands of ballots that donald trump's campaign suited to have thrown out. host: do you have an idea overall of how many mail-in ballots total were used in the election in wisconsin? tends if not hundreds of thousands. a significant portion of people voted by mail obviously because of the pandemic. possiblylking quite about hundreds of thousands of ballots because you have millions of people living in my state. host: this is where police one poll stands in georgia. six weeks between election day and now. this is one poll that real clear politics is reporting. both show a dead heat in those

david jon ossoff of aunt ,- jon ossoff and david perdue kelly loeffler and raphael warnock. our caller was mentioning vote by mail. .his is an article from georgia thousands of atlanta ballots at -- ahead oftal pivotal georgia senate runoffs as mail delays turn on. delays, whichail postmaster louis dejoy promised would improve following the national slowdown last summer, remain below u.s. postal service standards, threatening to disenfranchise thousands of legal voters who mailed in ballots in a pair of runoffs this week. like an nbc product out of georgia. franklin, wisconsin. this is our republican line. good morning. i want to say that, with the

democratic party, little by little radical people are getting elected. they lie as much as they can to get elected. powerful, youis do not destroy it from the outside in here and you destroy it from the inside out. georgia,hat, as far as i really hope that people are going to be watching. that last caller i seriously trump -- it was stolen from him. that as i want to say and as it is a truthful legal voting system, that is all

we want, nothing else. i want to thank you for taking my call. host: president trump was in georgia yesterday, and early evening rally for both of the senate candidates. here is some of that. [video clip] >> tomorrow, each of you is going to vote in one of the morse -- most important runoff elections in the history of our country. frankly, one of the most important elections really. it is elections because it is a biggie. our country is depending on you. the whole world is watching the people of georgia tomorrow. the -- you are going to swamp them because everything is so crooked. i am complained about eight different states. i think we are going to win them all. you are going to get everyone you know. you are going to show up at the polls in record numbers. you have to swamp them. going-- together, we are

to defeat the democratic extremists and deliver a thundering victor to david perdue. we love our david. he is respected and loved by everyone and someone that has really been a star in washington. kelly loeffler -- where is kelly? kelly?s our what a job you have done. thank you. we will tell you about kelly. [chanting] >> kelly fights for me. david fights for me. that i can tell you. republicanssay the -- you have to understand -- not for me, fighting for us. we have a lot of corrupt things

that happened. one thing i have learned about republicans, they have some difficulties but a difficulty they do not have -- they never forget. people are going to find that out because we have to go and go all the way. next what happens over the couple weeks. you watch what is going to come out. watch what is going to be revealed. you watch. i have to tell you that the stakes of this election could not be higher. you vote tomorrow -- people want to go out. they do not want to do the theot thing unless they are other side, in which case they just print them out. they want to go and vote and make sure your vote is counted. make sure they do not say somebody else has already voted for you. your vote tomorrow will decide which party controls the united .tates senate

the radical democrats are trying to capture georgia's senate seats so they can wield absolute power over every aspect of your life. host: the new york times reported on that rally yesterday. the headline in the newspaper, georgia rally to promote gop senators dissolves into a stew of trump's grievances. they write that mr. trump appears to have little patience for those who resist his call for overturning the election. any tweet monday morning, he admonished senator tom cotton of arkansas for saying that challenging the certification could only erode further our system of constitutional government. caller:pierce, florida caller:. we go to steve next. -- florida. we go to steve next. caller: i think we need to step outside and go into a real-world. history has a -- will repeat itself.

constitutions the ism the ussr from 1936, it the same thing the democrats are putting forth right now. almost exactly. last forrnment did not two years. it imploded from the inside. the problem now is we are an uninformed public. they do not know history. they do not know politics. they are directed by news media that is biased. i do not care what side you are on. there are no objective decisions being made about the selection. the government is not god and cannot protect everybody, cannot do everything. politicians promise those things for power. we trouble is, right now, are in a situation where they

are promising things because marxism has to have victims. victims are people. in the united states, we are the richest country in the world. the poor have cell phones, all the things that other -- indoor plumbing, public transit rotation, open hospitals for emergency rooms for anybody. people are considering themselves to be victims. they are not victims. there are opportunities in this country. thatwe do not figure out people are opportunities in this united states to do and have free will, we are going to be a socialist country, a bunch of victims. we are entitled to your money. there's a difference between a right and an entitlement. host: we'll go to our georgia line now.

in atlanta, it is virginia, democratic caller. itler: i wanted to say that has been very tiresome, listening to all the rhetoric. with all the elections. our elected officials, whether you be democrat or republican, is to uphold the constitution and represent the people. there is no such thing as red and blue. we have people. whoever we elect, that job is to represent republicans, democrats, independents, whoever. we go into office, we want to represent individuals. the president don't vote to send people to congress or even the president. the people does that and they

need to be reminded that they are there to represent us as a on thend get that focus purpose of what they go there for. we have a pandemic. people are dying. we are not addressing the real issues. we need people that are going to get back to the business of the people and not themselves. thank you. host: virginia in georgia. that line for georgia residents, (202) 748-8003. we are talking about the senate runoff elections happening in georgia. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. republicans, use (202) 748-8001. and others,ents that line is (202) 748-8002. earlier in theds loeffler and warnock race in erdue andfrom the p3 race.ac race -- ossoff

[video clip] >> make sure we do not have a democratic majority so we do not have to negotiation. >> it will be like getting 60 votes. >> when we take back the senate and have the majority, we will have a lot to do. >> total democratic control. if they are in charge, america will never be the same. save america. vote for david perdue. -- >> we demand justice no matter the caller of our skin. we demand immediate financial relief when somebody cannot afford rent, gas, or childcare. for these demands to be met, we have to vote. and the coast to columbus from the mountains to the florida line, make a plan to vote. -- i am jonoff of ossoff and i approve this

message. everybody isume assaying the democrats if they win are going to vote strictly democrat and the republicans the same thing. what happened independent thinking? when two people always agree, someone is not thinking. i believe we should have independent thinking when we vote in the senate and congress. have a nice day. also a republican caller. caller: good morning. that lady from georgia one caller ago really said a mouthful and she was spot on. whate need to take heed to she said. i'm going to reiterate what mr. sterling said. some people do feel beaten down. they have this attitude. it is hard to get out, especially older people. it is tough. i fear people will stay home, but they have to shake that

attitude off because that is what some people want. they want you to feel like just don't vote. i want to share this. african-american who founded black entertainment network, even he fears a lack of balance if democrats take control of the senate. he sees that is not a good thing. here is a man who calls for $70 million, one trillion dollars in reparations for slavery. on the other hand, he praises trump for putting african-americans back to work. he is one of those guys that is open minded. one more thing with regard to voting. not 1821. this is 2021. i would change the voting procedure years ago. we have millions of people trying to get to the polls. i would start voting when it is time to vote for the traditional

tuesday -- i would start 7:00 the preceding saturday morning for four days and go to 7:00 tuesday night. if you cannot find a way to vote in four days, that is tough. you will not be heard. it would make it easier and it would ease the crowds. i think everybody will find a way to vote under the circumstances. stay safe and healthy and thanks for taking my call. host: thanks for your call and suggestions. you mentioned your real sterling -- gabriel sterling, the georgia election official who had a news conference to talk about today's runoff elections, the number of ballots mailed in so far. also responding to the phone call released over the weekend by the washington post and other news outlets between brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state, his attorney, and the president and his advisers. here is some of what gabriel sterling had to say yesterday in

his news conference. [video clip] >> do you believe what happened in that phone call was an attack on democracy? [video clip] i will leave other people to make the decision on that. i found it to be something that was not normal, out of place, and nobody i know who the president -- who would be president would do some like that to a secretary of state. host: this is in spotsylvania, virginia. caller: i have a request. could you please show some historical data regarding mail-in ballots? as a nation cannot we have been there and done that. i recall seeing a clip about the mayor of chicago at the time and his cohorts laughing because they had stuffed the ballot box. that is what it was called then, stuffing the ballot box. how nation, we need to know this can be abused, how it has

already been done. it would be a great service to us. host: to the bronx, this is joseph on the democrat line. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. several things. i agree with mike and joe earlier. i'm am a registered democrat. i feel you should be a critical thinker, analyze the two different candidates, avoid the rhetoric. be an informed voter. ,f you are watching cable news that is entertainment. iknow c-span is on cable and appreciate you. you guys are neutral, but if you are watching fox, cnn, those people are getting paid millions of dollars. they are giving you opinionated information. that is not news.

there is no evidence at all that these votes have been stolen. just because trump says it over and over again does not mean it is true. all the data is there. -- georgia went over three times my hand counted. what else do you need -- went over three times, hand counted. what else do you need? republicans had no problem before with early voting. they were the ones that usually took advantage of it. this year, it is an issue. we are in the middle of a pandemic. i was just looking at the trump rally last night. i guess they do not believe there is a coronavirus spreading like wildfire today. everye basically a 9/11 day. thank you for taking my call.

a couple of comments on twitter by text. that line is (202) 748-8003. this is pam, who writes mitch mcconnell is proud his desk is a place where bills go to die. he has the power to arbitrarily decide what to bring up for a vote, such as a standalone vote on the $2000 to meals payments. the big question for voters today is whether they want this one man to retain total control legislation in this country. this tweet, i did my part. i drove my ballast to the dropbox with covid. vote for ossoff and raphael warnock. republicans are running against socialism. i just got a $600 check with trump's name on it. there are plenty of people -- i do not need the money but there are plenty of people in kentucky and red states that do. this one says democrats are trying to buy votes in georgia. last time it was flat screens.

this time, they offer $2000. from the wall street journal says gop money pours into georgia. four groupshat associated with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell have invested into races. a georgia battleground fun set fundraising targets each for the 50 states to pump about $50 million and advertising and the georgia gop voter turnout operations say democrats are also investing heavily in the race. expenditures by the campaign and outside groups have reached beyond $500 million, making them among the most expensive senate races in history. is in alexandria, minnesota on the republican line. caller: can you hear me? host: we can. caller: i am calling about the georgia election. i wanted to say that we the

states puthe united into our congress and our senate the people that are supposed to work for us. in the last four years, i have not seen one thing come through congress where it showed that congress was working for the american people. i am getting so tired of all of this money that we pay our congressman and senators. congress does not work anywhere near a year total in their workday. i think they are off more than they ever work. pandemic tos defraud the american people, and i am serious about that. you can walk into a grocery store, walk into a bar.

you can walk into everything and everybody was getting whatever they needed, but you had to send out mail in votes for all these people. fourminnesota received votesn votes -- mail in to go out and vote. i went and voted personally and that is a right that should never be taken from us. that person that said we should be allowed three days or four days for everybody to vote in person and show a driver's are, that to who you is the way it used to be and that is the way it should be. host: appreciate your call and more of your calls and comments coming up. greg has been with us a number of times throughout this series of runoff elections.

, ashowed the polls recently pull from that reason georgia showing a dead heat. is it really a dead heat in those races? guest: that is where the campaign operatives. a lot of the polls were wrong in the lead up to november, but the polls in georgia were pretty on target. just about every poll that was reported showed the races effectively tied between biden and trump. when you have a 12,000 or so margin, that is about as close as you can get. is concern over mail-in ballots because of delays with postal service in the land area. guest: there are concerns in general about how long it will take to tally all these mail-in theots, just like in november general. that is why analysts are urging folks to recognize that this race will probably not be cold tonight. it might not even be cold tomorrow.

it might be thursday or friday until we have networks and others and the associated press call this race definitively for one ticket or the other. host: what did georgia officials learn from the presidential race that they are and lamenting in these runoff races -- implementing in these runoff races? a rulebefore, there was saying counties may start processing absentee ballots in the run up to the electoral -- actual election day. last week, they must. counties started processing these. it does not mean they have actually tallied them. it means they went to the behind the scenes process of verifying signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and doing the preliminary things they need to do before they come ballots. there is a hope that the process is smoother this time. there are some problem child.

when it comes to elections in fulton county, the county is notoriously slow at counting ballots. usually does not matter much because the election outcomes are usually not that close, but when you're talking about thousands of votes, it matters a lot more. for: this is a tougher hill democrats to climb. runoff races in the past and georgia have not favor democrats -- in georgia have not favored democrats. guest: republicans have won every runoff election in georgia history. this year, all bets are off. we have seen more than 3 million early votes and a higher rate of african-american turnout then we saw in the general. feel optimistic, cautiously optimistic. republicans have what seems to toan early voting deficit overcome on election day.

you wrote yesterday kelly loeffler which challenge electoral college results and announced it yesterday on stage with president trump. what about david perdue? guest: no supplies there at all. that was a dramatic moment. perdue britto -- senator cannot vote on that. he is technically not in office. expired sunday because these runoffs take nine weeks instead of a few weeks in other states. that means georgia only has one sitting u.s. senator right now. even if david perdue -- even if the election is over tonight, he still cannot be sworn back into office until election results are certified, which is likely to take weeks. host: what is the weather like in georgia today? does a very good turnout? guest: it dies. it is nice. it is 60's in south georgia and 50's in north raja.

republicans are heaving a sigh of relief. texts last week saying if it is snow, we are doomed. host: you can follow greg bluestein's reporting in georgia. thanks so much. guest: thank you. host: continue this our asking you about those two senate runoff races in georgia. the line for georgia is (202) 748-8003. here is lori on our democrats line. caller: is it me? host: it is. you're on the air. caller: thank you ivy couple , one the woman for minnesota talking about the ballots she received in the mail. this is my first year i ever requested. i have always voted in person. last year i voted in person. they do not just mail you

ballots. you are mailed all kinds of applications and requests, but they do not just mail out ballots, not in my area and the people i know never received them. man who called in who was talking about a diverse congress , it is good to have the thelance of republicans in senate and democratic house or whatever, that is all well and good if you have people up there set aside personal views about certain things and think about the people they are representing. it has been proven -- we have years now with mitch mcconnell up there. proof that he is going to do exactly what he wants no matter what. that is not right. we cannot take that chance no more. it has gone on long enough. it will be good if we can get people in their that thought like that and thought about the

people they are representing. when they are talking about their personal interests, we cannot keep going like this. that is one of the reasons why we have such a situation today with the people and the fussing and arguing and fighting and not getting along. i have never seen what is going on. host: did you vote by mail? caller: i will be voting in person. , but request last time there was problems with the mail. that is another thing. trump created the problem with this mail situation we have going on. he has complained and complained about how the ballots have come in in different cycles and everything. it is ridiculous. he created this mess. let's hear from james in nashville on the independent line prn -- independent line.

caller: i agree with the previous caller in regards to what has been happening. i can't say no more in regards to what she said. mitch mcconnell and the republicans for so many years are not keeping an eye on the ball. their main concern should be about the american people. beinge $2000 checks brought by mitch mcconnell passed three times. for some reason, he does not want to give money to the american people, claiming we are too wealthy or whatever he has said. he is willing to give tax breaks and tax cuts and all kind of things to the privileged and well off people. american people need $2000. the only way we can get those checks is to have raphael innock and jon ossoff office.

otherwise, if other people get in office, we will not get the $2000 check. that is a thing that i want to be done and hopefully will get done by raphael warnock and jon ossoff. and stop the blockage by mitch mcconnell in regards to other things, helping out the unemployment, getting the unemployment checks higher and helping out small businesses and hospitals and helping out the local and state governments. host: we touch on this article earlier. biden transition hoping for victory but bracing for defeat in georgia. and the article we did not get too, i want to read a portion of that. teamical rights biden's does not expect to win the race teamlitico writes biden's

does not expect to win the races. the president-elect narrowly won the state in november. they attributed that to a powerful anti-trump sentiment that did not run down the ballot. the top republicans combined got more than 636,000 votes than warnock in the special election. few democrats are preparing for victory. the organizing principle, adding their planning is focused on democrats not having control of the senate. here is joe biden from the final rally yesterday in georgia in support of those democratic candidates. [video clip] >> this is not an exaggeration. georgia, the whole nation is looking to you for real. you know it. you cannot turn on any national television show without knowing about what is going on here and what you all are doing. the power is literally in your

hands. unlike any time in my career, one state can chart the course not just for the next four years or for the next generation. by electing jon and the reverend, you can make an immediate difference in your own lives, the lives of the people across this country. because the election will put an end to the block in washington on that too thousand dollars stimulus check, that money that will go out the door immediately , help people who are in real trouble. think about what it will me into your lives, putting food on the , paying your rent mortgage, paying down the credit card, paying the phone bill, the gas bill, the electric bill. just look around. millions of people in this country are out of work through no fault of their own. they are struggling.

many are fearful and many have given up hope. banks, the lines at food hours and hours. this is the united states of america, for god's sake, and there are food lines like we have not seen since the depression. they are getting longer. people whohildren, have worked their whole lives and never asked for a thing except a fighting chance. now they are lining up for food in america. over $2000 is not an abstract debate in washington. it is about real lives, the lives of good, hard-working americans. if you are like millions of americans across this country, you need this money you need the help and you need it now. , there is no one in america with more power to make that happen then you, the

citizens of atlanta, the citizens of georgia. host: a couple comments here on twitter. -- stacey abrams, on top of turning georgia blue, there is no contest giving her the dnc job. democrats need to win to prevent the obstruction sure to dominate the next two years. the u.s. cannot afford to waste time with gridlock. we are already so broken. edward says, the power of the vote is an example of how a vote time. not sure democrats can even legislate humanely. wendy is our democratic caller. caller: hello? i am not a democrat. i'm an independent. i am from georgia.

because -- calling you showing biden is irritating the crap out of me. i have seen every ad both sides are throwing out so long that i'm sick of it. my son voted for the first time because he thinks his vote was stolen. he is going to vote today. i am going to vote today. i am going to vote republican needs toause somebody check those people. we are in georgia because we had to move here because of obama. there ain't no jobs. gas prices were six dollars a gallon. are we going to have that now? it looks like it. it is really funny to hear a saycrat in new york

basically the whole thing we were doing in 2008, 2009, we had to move because there were no jobs. there was absolutely nothing. that is why we had to move here. nancy, good morning. caller: i want to bring up something i do not think i heard you talk about. if you go back and look at the constitution of georgia, it says that, if you are not eligible to election, i'mior talking the general election, you are not eligible to vote in this election. they have registered -- i am calling out stacey abrams on this because her sister is a federal judge who keeps blocking being able to go back and stop this. 100,000 newgistered

people to vote in this reelection. they are not eligible to vote under the constitution in georgia. you want to know why so many people are upset with brad raffensperger? it is not because he has treated president trump wrong. it is because he is not following the constitution. i have called his office multiple times to discuss this and he is not listening to anybody. you want to talk about people saying they are not cheating here? in my own neighborhood and evans , in columbia county, i have seen people move into this neighborhood in the general election, lease a house, put a biden sign up. the next day, the biden sign went down and a for lease sign went up and they are back here again.

it is happening. it is not a joke. you can call people crazy, that they are making this stuff up. we have been living through havh this. it has been has been -- it has been hellish. for some reason they think i am a democrat. they are promising democrats things. it is called pre-canvassing and it is illegal. it is going on here in georgia. that is what we are upset about. we live here. we know what is going on. it is not fair. host: that georgia runoff election is today. washington journal ahead. up next we will talk with kylie jane kremer, executive director of the women's or american

first. she will -- women for america first. she will talk about a rally tomorrow. later ned foley joins us to discuss today's expected congressional challenges to the electoral college vote. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] tonight runoff elections in the two georgia senate races will decide the balance of power in the senate. join us tonight as we follow coverage of the races between david perdue and jon ossoff and kelly loeffler and her democratic challenger raphael warnock.

c-span.org orn, listen on the c-span radio app. with covid-19 relief congresson approved by and coronavirus vaccines being administered, you c-span.org/coronavirus to follow the federal response to the coronavirus outbreak. track the spread with interactive maps all on c-span.org/coronavirus. >> washington journal continues. are joined by kylie jane kremer, executive director oneomen for america first, of several groups holding rallies in washington on wednesday. kremer, welcome to washington journal. guest: thank you for having me. rallytell us about your

tomorrow. what is the purpose? guest: we are so excited. we are hosting the save america rally. it will be in the president's park. we are excited to move it from freedom plaza where we traditionally have the rally. millions descended on d.c. to stand up for election integrity, to demand transparency and support president trump. we will gather at 7:00 a.m.. people are encouraged to go to .com for information on how to get tickets, what do you can and cannot bring in. you need to rsvp to let us know they are coming. we are excited to see so many in d.c. tomorrow morning. out ofhat are you hoping

this rally -? -- hoping comes out of this rally? guest: i started a facebook group called stop this deal. it was growing at a rate of 1000 people every 10 seconds. facebook shut us down. they said they were -- that we were inciting violence. there were 2 million people in queue waiting to join the group. we were censored by mailchimp and event bright. big tech came down on us hard. we decided to tailor our message. we keep beating that same drum.

-- we just want to make sure we have a free and fair election. we have seen voter fraud that has been rampant across the country and we wanted to protect the foundation of our country for generations to come. signs are the steel still being used prominently at rallies. steal signstop the are still being used prominently at rallies. do you still think the election was stolen? guest: we will have the opportunity for the american people to see the evidence firsthand. there have been a lot of talking heads who say there is no direct evidence. there is affidavit after affidavit showing the different things that no one wants to talk about. host: why hasn't that evidence been presented in court

proceedings, particularly in the states affected -- arizona, michigan, pennsylvania? guest: that is what we are all hoping to find out, the logistics behind it. it is difficult to get news that is straightforward and just the facts. when congress meets tomorrow we fourhear directly from the -- floor of the chamber. congressman will be bringing forward to the american people can hear from their representatives who we sent to washington to hold our values back at home. kylie jane kremer is the executive director of women for america first. we welcome your calls and comments. for democrats.

republicans.1 for for independents. fact that those electoral votes are coming to washington as certified by those states -- what do you hope members of theirss will do in deliberations tomorrow, particularly those challenging electoral votes in those states? guest: we are up to 12 senators who will be voting -- possibly more with kelly loeffler indicating last night that she will vote no if she is reelected 160 congressmen and women. we look forward to them voting no in each state. as it is now they get two hours per state.

they can bring evidence of what happened in that state. that will be an opportunity for us to see directly from our representatives what is going on in these various estates. host: a number of republican members will not participate. one is liz cheney, gop conference chair who put out day 21 page report on why she would not support it. she said among other things that by objecting to electoral slates, they assert that congress has authority to overrule state and federal courts. set a dangerous precedent threatening to steal explicit constitutional responsibility for choosing the president. this is at odds with the -- our republicans.as guest: someguest: of these republicans not standing up and supporting president trump is upsetting to me.

heck want trump to hold rallies in their state but when the president needs them to stand up for him, where are they? liz cheney is not the only one. tom cotton, i am really disappointed in. there are a number in the house i am disappointed in as well. it is all about them doing what is best for them in the moment and not what their constituents actually want. that is disappointing. i think people will see a number of primary challenges coming up and i will be supporting some of those primary challenges. people support donald trump because he is a fighter. he fights for them when they are worried about their lives and to some of these other politicians -- where are they? you do not know where they will come down on the issues.

it does not surprise me that there are some republicans scolding trump for going about this process. i often said recently that mitt romney, marco rubio -- if either one where the presidential candidate they would have long conceded since now because they are squish republicans. they have no backbone. we are encouraging trump not to concede. we want to make sure we get the selection right into that is what president trump is fighting for. he wants free and fair elections . it is about the foundation and direction of our country. host: you will be in the park closest to the white house. well the president speak to your rally? will the president speak to your rally? guest: he has indicated he will speak at the rally. the program will begin at 9:00 a.m..

yet there as early as you can. up at 11:00 a.m. -- get there as early as you can. at 11:00 a.m. president trump will address the rally. the: is it your hope that election will be overturned or is it a messaging moment for republicans supporting your effort or the effort to challenge the electoral votes on wednesday? guest: we have to let the process play itself out. it is a complicated process. there are many avenues that can happen on wednesday so we have to be patient and follow along with what is happening in congress. i am not a lawyer and i will not pretend to be one on tv but there are some brilliant legal minds on the president's team. if it does not work out in the way we hope it will, i want to

encourage people at home not to feel like they are alone into they are the only one who feels like there has been a lot of funny -- and they are not the only one who feels like there has been a lot of funny is this going on. --t: we have calls going on calls waiting we will go tell linda, staten island, new york, republican line. caller: good morning. let me say i hope the best person for the job wins in georgia. my father was born and died on georgia soil, but i believe this is about a legal residency issue. everything is out of order. license plates over i seeaster than i have --

georgia plates on our street. this is new york. i do believe there was a theft of the office of the united i hope weresident and can get it back. kylie jane kremer, any response? guest: i am a georgia constituent. i was born and raised in atlanta, georgia and i am curious to see how today plays itself out as well. amething i can speak to -- lot of people will not turn out to vote today because they do not feel like they trust the system. why are we still voting on the same system that have caused so many issues back in the november election? that will affect voter turnout. i think to senators while they may be conservatives and republican, we want people more willing to come out and fight

for us and our values. see kelly pleased to leffler came out to say she would vote no on the electoral college process, but she only stated she would do so for georgia. she did not talk about any of the other states that should be brought up for evidence of voter fraud. today will be interesting to see in georgia. i hope they both win and i have encouraged our supporters, friends and family to get out and vote for them but we will have to see. it is bigger than those two senators. i hope we remain in control of those two seats as republicans and retain control of the senate. host: you said you hope that people come out and fight for your values. this morning the washington post metro section with a picture of the rally from mid-december -- the proud boys gathering in d.c. for that rally -- the twin

headlines "district deploys national guard." churches boost security of vandalism in response to a black lives matter flag being burned in the last rally." how concerned are you for violence guest:? -- how concerned are you about violence? guest: i'm glad the mayor called in the national guard. she should have called them in earlier when in t5 and blm were burning businesses -- antifa and blm were burning businesses. antifa and rallies violencein and insight in darkness while people are going out to restaurants or are in smaller groups or alone.

it is not right. we should have every democrat and deleter calling to end the --lence but some of them democrat leader calling to end the violence. none of our supporters have ever resulted in an altercation. a blm flag being burned has nothing to do when we have been gathering and i encourage people to turn out. we are stronger in numbers. the national guard is for the protection of all americans so we could not be more thankful for their service and for the other agencies because they want for things to be peaceful and we will have a successful event on the sixth. i encourage everyone to turn out and not be deterred by this rhetoric. angelest's go to los

and hear from shelley on our republican line. caller: good morning. i have seen you before. i want to quickly make a statement -- i live in los angeles and i can tell you it is getting more and more difficult. i used to live in atlanta and i miss it. i can say, i did support trump. i am black and i voted for trump. my life has been difficult. it is unbelievable. --ant to say to my people black people -- you guys are being imposed old by joe biden and kamala harris. it read her background and what she has done. like trump said it is going to be socialism. if you guys want socialism -- hey. i support trump. i hope this thing works out.

i am sad and angry about what happened. i wish i could be there tomorrow to support you guys. guest: i would love to connect with you on social media. georgia is welcoming so come back to atlanta! we were just kicking off the trump bus tour in california and it is difficult to be out there. california is a beautiful state. the governor has destroyed that state along with the local elected officials. what it will take to turn it around. we are going to have to see. that is a direct example of what the rest of the country will go to if we follow these liberal policies. nancy pelosi is at the forefront of that. in georgia, we are very welcoming. a lotto businesses are moving to businesses areof

moving to georgia. we would love to have you back and i hope people look at that as an example. when they leave liberal places like california and new york, they do not take the values they voted for their and move to texas, south carolina and bring e and move tother texas, south carolina and bring those values there. host: let's hear from maryland, our independent line. caller: i am not a trump supporter. i respect him for running back in 2016. my thing is the evidence in the court has not been there. that is my only sticking point. if the evidence was there, i would say yes, he has a case.

it's like playing football and two days later saying "we won but the refs cheated." my thing is, show the evidence, .ip support your claim-- claim.ort your the evidence --that is what people are trying to find. it is not the democrats during the system away. you have to prove it to the republicans for people to go along with it. john in that same vein, in kalamazoo, michigan says " affidavits without proof are not evidence." time: tomorrow is a great to tune into c-span and see what happens in congress because i think you will see the direct evidence there.

without the censorship of any mainstream media talking head or any political spin that you will see tomorrow. what the direct evidences. then we will have clear direction. host: next step is mary, democrats line in cambridge, massachusetts. whyer: i was wondering would not the media and all these people, many of them republicans like the lincoln group -- and by the way i do not always vote democrat. before republican governor here in massachusetts. they were smart people. i preferred the republican to the democrat that was running. you think thatw

you have information that very important and high up republicans have. i am urging people like you to cut it out, stop it. biden won. do not be such terrible sports. do what the democrats did. ralph nader hasta the election -- lost the election when the bush election took place. there was a concession. you areling! -- smiling! this is not funny. guest: while i totally respect your opinion, i do not think hillary clinton still to this day has conceded. the lincoln project are not republicans. they are members of the

consultant class who are making more money trying to pretend didn't play this role that they are republicans trying -- attacking trump. i encourage you to watch c-span tomorrow and see what happens on the house and senate floor. we will be excited to see the american people first seeing the evidence and for that to play out in a direction that president-elect joe biden willlly exists -- we address that and cross that bridge when we come to that point, but right now we are not at that place. i encourage everyone to go into tomorrow and be willing to hear facts. guest: -- host: two weeks from now the vice president elect will be sworn in. what will your group do after that? guest: i think that we are all a

little bit in need of a break, all of us. 21re we are in january of 20 and we are still talking about the november 2020 election. ofre is a little bit regrouping. regardless of how it turns out, i think republicans and conservatives are encouraged to see people like ted cruz, marsha blackburn, senators who have been standing up and continuing to fight election fraud that has been happening. taylor green that was just sworn in -- we are -- marjorie taylor greene that was just sworn in. we are encouraged that there will still be peopling congress fighting for the values we hold back home. end isi don't think the

necessarily right around the corner. i think reform needs to be made within the election process. we will engage in being a part of that process because we want to see transparency. missouri,s hear from republicans line. years old.m 68 i voted democrat all my life until this year. i am so disappointed. i started listening to the politics going on and i do not know what is going on. in georgia,e voting i hope the republicans do win it , because i want someone in their will stand up for our constitution. ie democrats are not doing -- n there who will stand up or our constitution. the democrats are not doing that. they should be kicked -- their

votes should be kicked out right off the bat. i hope the people who do not want to go by the constitution of the united states should pack their bags and leave. i am proud to be a republican now. guest: i am happy to hear you have come over to the republican side. we are seeing that more and more. to brandrats used themselves as the most welcoming and accepting that value new ideas that we have seen that is not the way it is. they love and accept you if you believe the way they do and if you do not believe the exact same way you do deficit they do, same way docs -- exact they do, they will dox you on social media. we are the party of entrepreneurs into supporting women. one thing she was talking about -- and supporting women.

one thing she was talking about -- one thing people are missing in this whole thing is this whole sigil could have been avoided -- situation could have had avoided if brian kemp -- he inserted himself when it was not necessary for him to do so. i think we will see some primary challenges there. ryan kemp has failed the state kemp hasa -- brian failed the state of georgia with the election in november. i am disappointed in governor brian kemp. host: shell lake, wisconsin on the independent line. caller: i have one question for ms. kramer -- ms. kremer.

trump. for i still think he was the best person. you have a lot of power, young lady. you are the executive director women for america first. we need term limits bad. and they forget about us. they have people behind them with millions of dollars. -- aof these people challenger does not have a chance anymore. you have the power. you have the power with the ladies, especially the new ones who have been voted in to change this. we need term limits. guest: thank you so much. i could not agree more. it is the one job you can go to, congress and have no money, no

experience, and come out a millionaire. whenhappened to the time people went to d.c. to serve then they went back to their families, their successful businesses back in their state? the wayappointed to see the country has gone. most of the politicians in d.c. are career politicians. they have lost touch with what goes on across the nation. that is something that should be addressed and i appreciate your support. let's look forward to tomorrow and hopefully we get another four years of donald trump. that is truly a man who does not do this for any reason. he has been donating his salary as president. his net worth has gone down. mar-a-lagoher be in hanging out with my kids and grandkids been fighting, but i

am grateful for him and his family, what they have stepped up to do. host: you came to this activist role with a long history with the tea party. tell us about that. guest: i got started with the tea party when i was in college. mother founded tea party patriots and went on to be chairman of tea party express. i got my start in politics with her. i thought she was crazy. i wanted no part of it. havehave gotten older, i come to respect everything she has done. it is about women in government. the power andave autonomy to choose what is best for them and their family. they want more money to decide what they want to do for their family, if they want to send their kids to tutoring or take a vacation.

i believe in the american dream. when people have the power to make those decisions, the best things happen in our country. donald trump has been fighting for americans to have those decisions, to be able to give people -- i worked for sean hannity. one thing he would drive home is freedom is money. that is true. when you have the money to make the choices you want to to not be struggling to keep food on your table, that gives you freedom and that is what the american people want. they want to feed their family and go to work and half the things necessary for a successful and happy life. host: the republican line, bob. i can't understand why they send out mail-in ballot. i got two.

gonefe has been dead and and she got a mail-in ballot. they have been pulling this stuff for the last 80 years. that is how they get their support in chicago, by counting the dead man's vote. they should do away with mail-in ballots. if you can't get up and go vote in a poll, you don't vote at all. for the loss sorry of your wife. with theot agree more mail-in voting. that is where we have seen a lot of voter fraud. people should be voting in person with an id. you cannot go buy a bottle of wine without id, why should you be able to participate in the election if you cannot prove you are a legal and valid citizen. there are things we need to talk

about. states have the rights to make their own election laws. we need to be involved at the local level and get involved now rather than waiting for the situation we are in. people need to be involved at the local level early on and pay attention. host: you said mail-in ballots, that is where the fraud is. let me ask you about that. susan collins said the administration has filed dozens of lawsuits, none of which have found there was compelling evidence to support voter fraud. ach that it would made difference in the election. the courts have spoken, the administration was given opportunity to pursue remedy and it is time for us to move on. guest: senator collins is who i believe you have been talking

about. she is not a supporter of trump and is not a strong republican. she is a rino republican in name only. back to peopleo need to tune in tomorrow. it is one of the most important days. it may seem boring to watch, but they need to be watching and seeing -- she is right?hink do you think the president has been given every legal remedy to prove his case? guest: i do not. i think we will see that tomorrow. host: paul, yuma, arizona, democrats line. know where tot start. we have heard every phony conspiracy theory that is possible from daily wire, breitbart, from this little gal.

the election is over. -- 50retary is secretaries of state have certified their elections as fair and balanced. only trump thinks he can win it. why are all republicans that are now against trump rinos? they weren't before trump. all of a sudden, this gal says rino,collins is now a even though she voted for every ,upreme court pick trump wanted every program trump wanted, but now she is a rino because she does not agree with this phony effort to overthrow a certified election of the united states. this is ridiculous. host: paul, in arizona. you for being

condescending and keep calling me gal. i have done amazing things to be participating in this movement across the nation. i have been to 49 of the 50 states meeting with individuals across the nation who hold the representfs i do and the values of women. rino collins has been a for a long time. same thing with mitt romney. people, especially republicans, we have seen the party of the republican party has shifted. we want to see more fighters in congress then we have now. perfect examples. it is not just because it is convenient they are now rinos. we have seen that in their voting record. this is one of the times we need republicans to stand up and

fight for the constitution. shakinghappening now is the foundation of our country. host: michael, the republican line, san diego. you for giving americans a place to vent our opinions. george conaway, steve schmidt, and rick wilson and in my opinion, any person who supports this evil man who american is not a true and does not know what the words at the bottom of the statue of liberty mean. that is what our country is about. not this liar. guest: thank you for your call. i will talk about the lincoln project. i don't know if they truly believe what they are doing and spewing, but they are laughing all the way to the bank and

making millions of dollars off the things they are saying to make themselves personally relevant. they have little support within the republican party. it is laughable anybody uses them as a valid source of anything. host: remind us on your rally tomorrow, how many folks are you expecting? caller: i am -- guest: i am not sure how many people we are going to expect. we hope people show up in droves. they are coming in caravans from northeast, georgia, texas. people have felt discouraged because of what the d.c. mayor has done with the hotels in the shutting down of the restaurants and road, threatening things like calling in the national guard. now is not the time to be intimidated or back down.

we are stronger in numbers. we need to encourage the president not to concede. we need to show we are watching and listening and if congress does not do the right thing, ied. will be primar a.m.art at 7:00 the program will begin about 9:00. you need to be there early. it is right outside the white house. of constitution between 15th and 17th. all of this information can be found at trumpmarch.com. the president did the motorcade around the freedom plaza and the fly around on marine one. we could not be more honored that the president will be joining us at 11:00 a.m. coveragewill have live

so you can check out our schedule at c-span.org. thek, delaware, on independent line. go ahead. hope you would consider changing the format of your program, go back to the fairness doctrine, where you have two competing views while you moderate. in thebeing disingenuous way she is presenting her case. cases where the trump administration went into the court and not one time did they claim fraud in any of their cases. why? because they do not have a case. for her to say the republicans are the ones who love the constitution, when you look at this president, who has broken every law and it looks like he may be up on federal charges for

trying to interfere in the georgia runoff, you have to wonder, are they doing it for -- by thean people or senators in the republican party. host: that will be the last word. your thoughts? guest: the difference in political beliefs right now are distinct. discouraging. i encourage all americans to have an open mind and open heart about this election. it is not about one political party and one president. it is about the foundation of our country and the direction we go. of beingpeople disingenuous and throwing crazy words out like sedition and those things, it is discouraging. i want the american people to engage in the election process, to get involved in get their news from the sources and not

listen to mainstream media. tomorrow, the people will have the opportunity to do that in congress and we are looking forward to hearing directly from the president tomorrow at 11:00 at the save america rally. for --t's thank you thank you for being on the program. guest: thank you for having me. host: ahead on "washington the count of the electoral college and the challenges expected in the u.s. senate in the joint session by senators and members of the house. here is how to join the conversation. our coverage begins at 1:00 eastern on wednesday. we anticipate a long day. here's how to join the conversation. democrats, (202) 748-8000.

republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. still ahead on "washington talk to ned will foley, director of the election law program at ohio state university. he will talk about what is expected on capitol hill tomorrow. more ahead. ♪ >> coming up live, the house returns for legislative business at noon eastern. members debate bills from the house oversight and government reform committee, including one on access to budget materials for federal agencies. with00 p.m., live coverage election coverage for georgia's runoff elections. on c-span two, 10:00 a.m.,

andrew wheeler is expected to announce new rules on epa scientific research. you are watching c-span, your unfiltered view of government. c-span was created by america's cable television companies. >> "washington journal" continues. countthe topic of the tomorrow happening before the joint session, the reading of the electoral counts. aterage getting underway 1:00 eastern. anticipating a number of challenges from senators and members of the u.s. house.

democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. trump.top of mind of he was rallying yesterday for inators leffler and purdue georgia. here's what he had to say about the count. [video clip] >> i hope our vice president comes through for us. he is a great guy. if he does not come through, i will not like him quite as much. mike is a great guy. he is a wonderful man, a smart man, a man i like a lot. he is going to have a lot to say about it. you are going to get straight shots. he is going to call it straight. host: mike pence will preside

over the proceedings tomorrow at the joint session of congress. politico writing about the road ahead for a number of senators. scheme.lectoral college the 2024 republican primary has begun. in the clashes over whether to overturn joe biden's election win. holly and cruz are setting themselves up for challenging certification of the vote, aligning themselves with trump. arecotton and ben sasse staking out the opposite turf. marco rubio, tim scott, and mike pence are playing it safe and saying little. let's go to your calls. randolph, massachusetts. this is robert, democrats line. say, we arented to

being laughed all over the world regarding we are fighting each other. we, susan that now, she votedno against the impeachment of donald trump. i don't think this is right that we are acting this way. she said the party of the republican's love. -- what are we doing? one lady said hillary clinton still doesn't concede. she called donald trump and she conceded. how can we go on with people

saying we are the party of love and we want freedom for our people, but his daughter and sons are making more money on the side. people swallowing that madness and there are people who are buying it. we need to change. the world is laughing at us. the world knows the guy is not qualified. they are not stupid. militarycalling in the . we have to stop the charade. we are american. we have kids, grandkids raised in this country. is a rally, one of four today and tomorrow in washington. a headline here about the leader of another group anticipated being in washington. arrested, leader

accused of burning church banner. police arrested the leader, who is accused of burning a black lives matter banner. policearrested by department officers after he to participate in protest he was taken into custody after a warrant was issued for his arrest for destruction of property. he was facing a weapons charges after officers found him with two high capacity firearms magazines when he was arrested. here is ralph, in washington, d.c., the independent line. caller: good morning. host: good morning, ralph. caller: i am an independent. i believe there was cheating done during the bush

administration on the election. bushis well documented for one. i believe there is cheating going on here. laws needs to be draconian against this. if you get caught cheating, you lose everything. we are these boys sending to dive for war for freedom and democracy. some politico in the back room to steal our election. don't like trump, but the one thing i like his he has pointed out the media. boyscently said the proud stole some banner and burned some banner. all the't report stories. they only report half the stories. some lady who was confronted by antifa thugs-- by

set all lives matter and she was shot in the face and killed. that did not make national news. this bias in the media and the games the media are playing are dangerous. truths and only showing one side of the story is destructive for democracy. it needs to stop. needs to stop. i don't want to see my cities burned by the left like portland. oris not good for democracy the health of our country. host: bill, arizona, he is on the democrats line. i would like to start a group of stop the jokers. grapesd up with the sour from the trump side.

that is it. the: lawrenceburg, indiana, republican line. maria, go ahead. caller: thank you. i watch you every day. thinks these mail and things, there should be more, everybody who mails in a vote should put in the last four digits of their social security number, which they are given at , and we also should put our thumbprint on there, that way there is no identity problem. put your thumbprint on it, your social security on there. -- whenx issues like they go for the $2000 for a

person, don't mix it with throwing other -- throwing money to other countries. host: what is the procedure in indiana? caller: i go in. i did not want them to transport my vote anywhere. i brought my family with me. when you go in, they know where you live, they know you voted before. i cannot understand how people can throw in balance, make up ballots, have them sent to your house. everybody should have the same roles. for the presidential election, they should have it on presidents' day and have everybody else excluded. host: a story about the president awarding a medal of freedom. monday,s awarded on bestowing the top civilian honor on a close republican ally during the closing days of his

presidency. the white house praised nunes discrediting -- with russia. of theonsidered one highest civilian honors, awarded to people who have made meritorious contributions to the security or national interest of the united states, to world peace, or to cultural or other significant and private endeavors. next in minnesota on the republican line. the topic about nunes getting an award. that is strange. can you imagine what people thought about finding out after four years that there was a memo

in his file telling him about how he explained to obama about how hillary was going to use russian disinformation to divert from her emails? it was alwaysing in collusion. you should not be switching off and doing that stuff right now. party hase democratic turned communist. there is something wrong with today's world. the media is running the party and it is all about power. we continue to go down this road and until the media gets thrown out firm running the democratic are going communism. there is something wrong. there is something wrong with c-span.

host: we will go to donna in north -- in new york. good morning. caller: after listening to your last guest and several callers, i tooted because i like to see and hear what my citizens -- my fellow citizens here and think. i would love to see the fairness doctrine come back. kramer know how kylie does not know the history of the lincoln project members. sakes, areaven people giving so much airtime to misinformation, misdirection? the gripe trump has with the election results has been brought before the courts 60 times and 60 times it has been reputed. i am not sure why this has been allowed to come out of c-span

uninterrupted and unvented by ms. kramer. to virginial go next on our republican line, sylvia, good morning. you for c-span. i thank you for your format. on, the report was going the mueller report, i thought about not voting for trump. i did vote for trump. i was wondering if maybe during this election, some of the people in the suburbs, they may have voted for the other people and not republican and not trump. i think this can happen. have you think it may happened where you voted in virginia? caller: i was thinking about the suburbs and all. you can vote for the house of representatives and so on and though for and you can vote for biden.

maybe that is what happened, where things looked disparaging. it could have been they voted for a democrat and republican. after the soleimani killing, u.s. iran tensions are rising. tensions ran high on monday after the drone strike that a yearqasem soleimani ago. ton might still be preparing retaliate. a strike could be more attacks lobbedn at basis or at the u.s. embassy in baghdad. the militiamen have added new weaponry to their arsenals. let's go to tommy in kentucky, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i can understand republican

saying the democrats want to go has inviteden -- the russians right into the office. everything he can do for russia, he has done. from the get go. he asked for their help to get hillary emails. he has always backed russia. afghanistan, killing their troops, he would not even sanction them for that. he will not do anything against russia. anyone who doesn't believe that president is a -- president, i don't understand them. i have got common sense. when it is right there in front of you. everything goes back from his

mouth to russia. he has done everything possible for them. i love this it and country. i hope and pray we never get another president like that that can bring us on the brink of losing our democracy. i have common sense. she lady that was talking, was paid money to run her mouth for trump. anybody can see that. we are losing democracy. too many men have died to see this world come to what it is. your we appreciate comments. up next, we will be joined by ned foley, director of the election law program at ohio state university. he will join us to discuss the congressional challenges to the formal electoral college vote. that is ahead on "washington

journal." ♪ >> tonight, runoff elections and the two georgia senate races will decide the balance of power in the u.s. senate. as we follow the coverage of the races between david perdue and jon ossoff and kelly leffler and her challenger, raphael warnock. it begins at 8:00 p.m. >> stay with c-span for our coverage of the transition of power as joe biden moves closer to the presidency with the electoral college votes cast. atn us on january 6, live

1:00 p.m. eastern, for the joint session of congress to count the votes and to declare the winner for president and vice president. on january 20, the inauguration of the president of the united states. coverage begins at 7:00 a.m. eastern. watch it all live on c-span. >> "washington journal" continues. ned foley is with us. he is a law professor, author of " presidential elections and majority rule." than 24 hours away from the start of the process. tell us about the process and walk us through that as it would normally happen on the sixth of

january. normally it is a ceremony. it is compelled by the constitution, the 12th amendment talks about this joint session of congress. the purpose is to receive the electoral college votes cast in in states by the electors the states. congress receives them, opens them and counts them. an hour takes less than and should not be controversial. obviously, this year is different. processnding the requires going back into history. ands a product of the 18th 19th century, the mindset our predecessors had about the electoral college system. technology, transportation and communication as it existed in the 19th century is reflected in actbasic mechanisms of the

adopted in 1887 by congress, that implemented the basics set forth in the 12th amendment. host: tomorrow we have the vice president serving in his key role as the president of the senate. perfunctoryally a role unless he is casting a tie-breaking vote. what are we likely to see tomorrow? officer, the presiding he is supposed to make sure it runs on time. mention, statute i congress did not intend for the vice president to be decisive, to control the outcome of the process or the way the process would be determined about how votes get counted. congress wanted to retain its own power.

jointlybers of congress to control the outcome. structurally, the statute makes a key decision on whether or not submissionince one of electoral votes, one package. here are votes we want you to count. if there is a single submission, the statute has one set of procedures. it is if there are rival submissions from the same state, each claiming to be the true electoral vote. complicatedn more when that has happened, as in 1876, for example. procedures are different in that scenario. that has been largely untested throughout american history. one of the big questions as we think about tomorrow is are we going to see the rival

submissions scenario in any of the states that have been under discussion? i have not seen a clear indication on whether the vice president's office thinks it is going to bring a single submission of electoral votes from a state like arizona or there has been talk about alternative electors having met in december and whether this would be an example of that rival submissions scenario. see some senators objecting and trying to bring or alternative electors. we could potentially see those brought into the argument? those have no official status. , 1870 six is our

historical reference point. that was a situation where the rival submissions, which had a plausible claim to speak for the state. we had different institutions of state government backing the claims on the part of different electors. that was hope for here by the trump electors. stephen miller went on fox news on the morning of the electoral college meeting hoping legislatures or the states would to thesecial sanction alternative electors who have it on separate meetings. that never transpired. fromif a second submission arizona is put forward, it does not have equal status. there will be one official submission from arizona signed by the governor and there will be this other submission claiming to speak for arizona

that has no official backing whatsoever. it is clear what should happen. the official submission is the one to be counted. because this is the first time in american history if this is what unfolds, exactly the procedure for how it unfolds, it will set a precedence. the outcome is not in doubt. the chambers of congress will control counting the votes. know the two chambers will count the official votes from each state. the process for getting to that bottom line is murky because we don't know whether the vice president will announce he has one submission because there is only one official submission, or instead whether he will say i have two packages and congress must deal with them. statute calls for taking the

states in alphabetical order. p.m.rocess starts at 1:00 we expect arizona will be the first state where there may be question about how the process moves forward. the first thing to indicate is what pens says. he is in that role, the presiding officer of the senate. he will have to announce what he has received from the state of arizona to be disposed of under the procedures. ned foley, the director of election law project. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002.

you touched on this a bit. thent to show viewers opinion piece -- january 6 is not an election do over. you write this is not the time to relitigate the election. tomorrow could have some feel like it is. -- guest: it's a misunderstanding or abuse of the process. point. a nonpartisan democrats in the past have abused the process in the same way, have made the same mistake. two wrongs do not make a right.

understandtant to the constitution expects what is supposed to happen. appoints how to electors. nature is built on state sovereignty. they talk about it having its own power for appointing its own electors. chosen ae states have form of popular vote. appointto have to electors directly.

congress's job is to open packages and ask do we have the electoral votes from persons who were appointed as electors. answer,gress knows the it counts the votes. it is not a recount and congress for the underlying popular vote. it is not a question of the georgia or arizona make a mistake. the arizona is, did government appoint electors? yes, we know who they are. to revisit the question of did georgia do its recount properly in the joint session of congress, that is inappropriate. that is true in the matter of the constitution and the 12th

amendment. after 1887.lear there is a provision of that statute called the safe harbor provision. it uses the word conclusive. congress, act of congress saying it will treat as conclusive any final that the state itself makes pursuant to its own procedures ofial any litigation of controversy over the appointment of its electors. thatess says it is determine is asian that will be conclusive and govern congress -- congress says it is that determination that will be conclusive and govern congress. have a lawsuit and you

resolve the lawsuit definitively, congress will .ccept your resolution we won't second-guess that. as long as we know it is your decision we are looking at, we will accept it is your decision. some members of congress to reopen that decision . host: how to these votes arrive? how do they get open and read on the house floor? writtenongress has rules on that. it is complicated. there are multiple copies sent from the electors. this was written in the 19th

century. it talks about the postal system there by certified mail. one goes to the president of the copy goes to the national archives. a copy goes to the local secretary of state, the local federal district court. about lostncern copies in the mail, make sure there was no forgery. office --dent pence's there are two parts to the documentation. the electors themselves send in their own votes. officials.vernment

certify their own votes. the document called a certificate of ascertainment. provided by the government of state. are electors of the state. the certificate of ascertainment. arependently, governors obligated to send another copy of the certificate of ascertainment to the federal government. --re are multiple transition there are multiple transmissions so everyone is clear what is going on. a number of those vote counts were counted live.

our listeners and viewers can see that, including the signing of those votes and documents people ned foley mention. i am not sure if you had the chance to hear the comments on trump's expectations for mike pence. [video clip] presidentour vice comes through. he is a great guy. if he does not come through, i will not like him quite as much. mike is a great guy. a is a wonderful man and smart man and a man i like a lot. he will have a lot to say about it. with him, you are going to get straight shots. he is going to call it straight.

think trump is putting pressure on mike pence? guest: you can hear what he wants, the outcome he wants. if pence plays it straight, it will not be what trump wants. playing it straight is following the rules. that does not give the vice president the role trump seems to contemplate. are inmbers of commerce authority of counting the votes. the processes over but he does not dictate or control the process. is inconsistent with the constitution and the law. mike int's hear from

belton, missouri. caller: good morning. i would like to say i am a lincoln project republican. i am ashamed of what my party is doing. takei am called a rino, i pride in that. i know i am doing the right thing. disappointed by people like your last guest, who want to go on and tell lies with no proof and the party of lincoln has become the party of trump. pot.epublican has gone to thank you for listening to my call. host: any response? there is a fight within the republican party for its future. it has come to the point where

one part of the republican party seems to want to abide by the basic principles of electoral competition, paying back -- playing by the rules and recognizing when the other side wins, they have a turn of government. americanair play, the way for centuries. , in that phonemp accepthat he will not defeat and he tries to create this alternative narrative he won when that is not true. there are members of congress who seem to be going along with this untrue narrative. it is inconsistent with the idea of taking turns based on the will of the voters. a voter should be able to decide whether democrats have a turn for the next four years in the

white house or the republicans have a turn. that has to be the most basic principle. part of the republican party seems unwilling to accept that basic element of our system. that is dangerous to the project of republican government. host: rick, the republican line. there are a number of people who want to object to the electoral counts, but there is a condition to that. donald trump wishes the election would be overturned. i don't believe it can be.

there has to be confidence in the election process. there is a lot of stress. process needs to go through, calling people to support trump. i think that is wrong. i do not think that is healthy for the country. that is all i have to say. thank you. foley, his point that members would use this as an opportunity to point out some problems with voting across the country. rob portman put out a statement that spoke to this.

the purposes are not to investigate the underlying popular vote. if there are concerns about integrity of the electoral process, there can be separate hearings for that or a special commission. it is important we do not buy into fabrications of allegations that have no basis. i agree with the caller that it is imperative both sides believe in the integrity of the system. america has to work to allow for competition. our version is essentially a two-party system. the structure of politics, as we all know, causes it to be a two-party competition. both sides have to believe the system is working and it is fair.

obviously we have problems in that respect. we need to figure out how to improve that. there are valid conversations to be had about how to make the system work better for next time, what sort of statutory reforms congress might adopt. i am uncomfortable with using the word treason. our polarization and the rhetoric is toxic. we need to lower the temperature and get back to the normal version of american politics, where each side recognizes each other as the loyal opposition, it is taking turns and fair play. dothing we can get -- we can to get back to the way it is supposed to work is important. tomorrow's procedure is not an occasion for a hearing on the underlying integrity of the

popular vote process. that is not what the count is four. every objection shall be made in writing and shall state clearly and without argument the ground thereof and shall be signed by at least one senator and one member of the house of representatives. when all objections so made has been received and read, the senate shall withdraw and such -- and suchhould be shall be submitted to the senate for its decision. will they tackle all of the objections out once or do they come back into the joint session to address each separate one? of thethat is one

uncertainties and ambiguities about the statute. maybe the parliamentarian offices have been advising the leadership, including vice president pence on how this should go. looking at a report that the congressional research service released, there is some ambiguity. take each state one at a time alphabetically and cannot move to the next state until resolving all issues under consideration. it cannot package several states together. if we get the situation where there is a claim to be an alternative submission of electoral votes, whether both packages get sent to the chambers for separate deliberation at the same time or whether the packages get taken

up one at a time. that is what is unclear. beingatute talks about two hours of debate in each chamber on each objection or question, raised in the joint section that puts in the chambers for deliberation. rule of thumb, we expect one objection per state, but it is possible there might be multiple objections per state, which could multiply the number .f hours divisivegress faces session, looks at the history of the process. objectionsut the that happened back in the 2004 race, john.

george w. bush. and george w. bush. happened there, ohio , this was in the aftermath of the fraught 2000 election. kerry and bush, ohio ends up being the pivotal state and there are allegations of impropriety in the counting of the popular vote. lines, issues of provisional ballots. the key point to understand is there was no doubt the president won the popular vote in ohio. the margin was over 100,000. team looked at litigation and conceded defeat because the numbers were not

there. there were problems, but not in the magnitude that would have affected the outcome. thers and other used litigation and recount process to have a second look. used andcedures were produced the appointment of the electors at the appropriate date, cast their votes for bush. that goes to congress. an objection signed by a representative that triggered this process. submission of one electoral vote from the state of ohio. there was no rival submission. kerry conceded defeat. it was inappropriate for those objections to be launched. the statute entitles objections

in the process goes forward if it is signed, but it is incumbent upon each member to ask themselves if it is appropriate or not under the rules. i think senator boxer should have answered that the opposite way she did. given the provision we talked about earlier, that any final determination the state makes over its electors and popular vote will be treated conclusive by congress. that happened in ohio. ohio had that litigation. they reached the final to probe -- state reached the final decision based on its laws. senator boxer should have accepted that as conclusive. stephanie tubbs jones

lodged her opinion on the floor in january 2005 four some historical perspective. here is a look. [video clip] >> i see two objects [indiscernible] to object [indiscernible] >> has the senator signed the objection? writing presented in and signed, it complies with the law. the clerk will report the objection. >> we object to the counting of the electoral votes of the state of ohio on the ground they were

not under all of the known circumstances regularly given, ,igned stephanie tubbs jones state of ohio. , state ofxer california. objectionse further to the certificate? none.air hears .he two houses will withdraw each house will deliberate separately on the pending objection and report back to the joint session. senate will retire to its chambers. host: the vice president dick cheney presiding officer. that is the correct way to handle it when the objections are lodged. the statute speaks to the

procedure and the substance of an objection. vice president cheney handled that properly. we were talking about whether the objection should have been made in the first place. mark, ohio. republican line. i am from california. anyways, i was calling to say there should be some kind of provision so we can have more transparency in this process. every time i see different things on the news, i see people saying no evidence and i see other people saying other things that -- people are saying there seems to be massive evidence. in all these different battleground states that because this. -- that cause this.

it should be more transparent. sayingheard 100 people people were involved in the election. or more people. understand why there is not more transparency, why more people -- i don't hear democrats saying we need more transparency. oversight or something because it is ridiculous. i feel like the election was totally stolen from president trump. host: mark in california. guest: representative cheney from wyoming issued a statement in the last 24 hours where she documents all the court cases

that have happened in all of the states that have reviewed the kind of evidence pointing out there has been transparency and review of this. the ohio example is instructive with the outcome coming the other way. every election has some degree of problem. this one, to be sure. in 2004, to be sure. the question of the level of the popular vote for each state to is it enough to call the outcome in doubt? there were democrats who claimed the same thing. .hat ohio was stolen for bush that john kerry was the true winner of ohio. there were conspiracy theories. people do not like to lose

presidential elections. i understand that but we have to have an evidenced based process for declaring winners because only one side can win and the other side has to acknowledge defeat. i know ohio in 2004, the republicans honestly won that race and the democrats lost it. yes, there were problems. yes, there were affidavits and litigation and some evidence, but it did not rise to the magnitude that the declared winner was an incorrect declaration. that is the key point to focus on. the office of the secretary of state of general -- secretary state of georgia said yesterday that georgia looked into all of the issues that were raised. this was true of the other states, but i just used torture as an example. the recount -- i just used georgia as an example.

it is a pretty significant error in a recount context. there was a problem in that sense. given the margin of victory was 10,000, a0 or roughly 1000-error margin does not negate the validity of the declared outcome. in none of these states -- not arizona, pennsylvania, that is the point that seems to be missed in terms of president trump and his allies. just because there were some problems, you can't say that this meant this election was flawed. there is no election that is

given the millions and millions of ballots nationwide. is key to a valid election was the correct winner declared in each of the states? under the structure of electoral college, that is a determination for state law to make. that is the promise congress has made to the states, that it will treat conclusive those determinations. all of which occurred in -- once the electoral college votes in december, that is what is final. congress does not relitigate those recounts of the popular vote. congress says do we know who the electors of the various states are so we can count the official electoral votes? host: let's get one more call. caller: good morning.

i was trying to decide if i was going to get on today. when i was aware that you would be speaking to ned foley, i had some questions. the hayesous about concept. that has been cited in many different types of things, the compromise of 1837. i would love to hear about that. the other historical thing, and witht to kennedy some court challenges were made, ,oth in illinois and texas which may or may not have had to gouaded nixon not

ahead with the challenge. it ended up in something like this. host: we will get a response. isst: the election of 1876 the most contentious one we have had. there were these rival claims of different groups of electors to speak on this -- speak on behalf of states. senator cruz has invoked that history. is itk my understanding is just a different circumstance because the dispute back then was genuine in terms of -- we do not have time to go into all the the fight was real

over florida and louisiana and south carolina in terms of disenfranchisement and manipulation of the vote tallies. the allegations this year are not of the same character. there is not any underlying reality. aere is no dispute that second submission of electoral votes had this backing of state governments. that is what is missing today compared to back then. if there is a claim in arizona of a second set of electors, it does not speak for the legislature. it does not speak for the governor or the judiciary. it just speaks for individuals wishing they had been appointed electors, but they were not. if you want to talk about the kennedy election, that's fine. guest: there were these allegations of fraud in illinois and texas.

nixon did not pursue them himself. he conceded defeat quite quickly. the litigation was resolved against the claim of impropriety. by the time the electoral college met, texas and illinois are not in dispute. interestingly, hawaii was a state that was still undergoing a recount and hawaii was a state that presented two alternative submissions to congress. it did not affect the electoral college outcome because kennedy was going to have the majority votes whichever way hawaii got counted. but nixon was the sitting vice president. nixon had to say he was in possession of two packages, one in favor of himself and the other in favor of then senator kennedy. he asked for unanimous consent to go ahead and count the votes

in favor of kennedy. that is what happened. there was no objection. that is our only example where you had multiple submissions. it was not controversial. vice president nixon said he was not intending to set a precedent. it is a little unclear how that historical incidents would apply tomorrow if arizona is in contention over multiple submissions. host: it will all reveal itself starting at 1:00 eastern tomorrow. we appreciate the insight. law professor at ohio state university. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you for having me. host: the balance of power of the u.s. will be decided today. could be decided by the end of the day with the elections in georgia. we will ask you about those elections up next in our

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members debate five bills from the house oversight and government reform committee, including one on the public public'ss access -- access to budget materials. on c-span2 at 10:00, epa administrator at andrew -- andrew wheeler's expect it to announce new rules on epa scientific research. host: we will spend the last part of the program talking about the georgia runoff and the headline this morning, this is from the atlanta journal-constitution, the headline, georgia runoff election polls are open as a nation watches.

we will get to your phone calls momentarily. the story just published in politico about the presidential race still being contested in georgia. georgia fights latest trump suit to overturn november election. the legal brief was launched as the president took the stage in georgia on the people of the senate runoff elections. attorneys lit into a 13th hour effort by president donald trump to decertify the results of the states november 3 election, calling it a belated bid to nullify the ballots of millions of voters. they say there have been numerous suits filed since november 3, general election challenging votes. in all, the claims have been --tly rejected and lawyers

rejected. let's get to your calls and comments. bob is in virginia, democrats in. good morning. caller: the reason why i am calling is because you can see by the complexity of our system with the electoral college, 100 places to throw a wrench into the works. if there was ever an argument for getting rid of the electoral college, this is it. we need a simple system, one vote per person. so much of this controversy will go away. georgia, goodark, morning. caller: good morning. i am so pleased to be on this morning. we have been working really hard to get out the vote in clayton county. how i don't understand is we could have a secretary of

state that has done everything he could possibly do to show there was no fraud, no problem, this was free and fair and yet , theyy of my neighbors have to make these incredible leaps to try to believe something that is not true with no evidence. i am really curious to see what they will do today. clearly, no evidence anywhere in the country and yet there are people twisting like pretzels to defend the indefensible. it is sad and unfortunate and we don't have to change everything taste on things that are not true. host: from professor mcdonald with the u.s. elections project on the georgia vote so far, he

375 people have voted in the 2021 georgia senate runoff election. a democratic caller from georgia, this is kathy. caller: good morning. i am so excited for our runoff today. hopefully, we will elect jon ossoff and rev. warnock to the senate. republicans that will boycott because they believe the unfounded accusations of fraud, ballot shredding, conspiracy theories run rampant. it is hard to keep up. jon ossoffwe can let and rev. warnock.

georgia is still a red state. we did elect biden as president but are down ballot in the senate did not go as we wanted and that is why we are in the runoff. good morning. happy new year. i hope the best for georgia. host: thanks. to duane in mississippi. go ahead. caller: i want to pick up on what the lady just said. i am in mississippi by the way of the navy. georgia is a red state. to me, it is blatant fraud. beforeyou had a talker and he was saying that all of these lawsuits had been litigated and that is not true. i want to know what court case went through the full process. do you have a list of those?

host: which cases? caller: if any of the cases went to the court system. that has been litigated. brought out and dismissed. i want to know what court case. all of them have been thrown out -- whatny litigants court case has been litigated? host: i don't specifically which -- 60t 60 cases have been legal challenges. have they gone to full litigation? i cannot answer specifically. susan is in tennessee. caller: good morning and happy new year. now thatble to breathe trump is getting out. something is wrong with him mentally. i believe he is a big baby, a

spoiled brat that has never been told no in his life. i believe he is trying to start -- ie war, some kind of don't know. it's frustrating. somehow put him in handcuffs for inciting riots. host: the president tweeting this moments ago, pleased to announce that kelly loeffler and senator david purdue have joined our great stop the steel group of senators. they will fight the ridiculous electoral college certification of biden. how do you certify numbers that have now been proven to be wrong and, in many cases, fraudulent. caller: i would never live in the city of atlanta. it is full of fraud, and so was

the election. it is an absolute disgrace. the governor made a secret pact with this lady that ran -- i will not even say her name. stacey abrams. i will have to say it. i totally disagree with a lot of what the professor said. technically, on a lot of points, he was right. constitution, this is a constitutional republic. until they vote biden in. more rule of law because it starts at the top. if they let this election stand, we are done for as a country. my parents came here -- i am the son of holocaust survivors. that the new

representatives were not voted on pelosi.e vote the democrats have used every trick in the book. they started out many years ago trying to get dead people and people that moved out of state and whatever, and he kind of dirty trick they could to expand their vote count. host: the new members did vote for the speaker. they voted -- they were sworn in and they voted -- they got to vote in the speaker election, which nancy pelosi won by a narrow margin. let's go to columbus, ohio, and hear from brian on the democrats line. caller: it is amazing that so much disinformation -- your previous caller. we don't understand how the election process -- local

elections are held and democrats and republicans vote and watch as watchdogs over each other to ensure they are fair. the rationale by these total conspiracy theory sees -- theories. it is ironic that these conspiracy theories occur in places where there are people of color. their underlying issues that we as americans are not addressing. we know this election is fair. there are -- in this country, at the local level, we act as watchdogs over each other. republicans and democrats, to ensure that elections are fair. host: our georgia caller mentioned stacey abrams.

tweeting this morning, she said georgia voters, have you requested and received a mailing ated -- ballot -- received mail-in ballot? , trump georgiall triggers debate on criminal penalties. called forlawmakers probes into whether trump's call amounted to an illegal effort to solicit secretary of state to engage in voter fraud by overturning prison elect joe biden's victory in the state. here is some of that phone call. >> but they are shredding ballots, based on what i have

heard, and they are removing machinery and they are moving in as fast as they can. both of which are criminal fines. you cannot let it happen, and you are letting it happen. i am notifying you that you are letting it happen. all i want to do is this. 780ust want to find 11, votes, which is one more than we have. we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it, if it was a mistake, i don't know. a lot of people think it was not a mistake. it was much more criminal than that. it is a big problem in georgia. it is not a problem that is going away. host: president trump from saturday night from a phone call

that was leaked on saturday night speaking with brad raffensperger, georgia's secretary of state. a number of lawmakers raising questions about that. the opinion piece from the new york times, is it too late to impeach president trump again? the president showed that he still has georgia on his mind. i do believe that with only 14 or 15 days left in this presidency, it would be a waste of time to pursue impeachment. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i wanted to respond to a gentleman that just called about name one court case that was litigated. just to bring to his attention, in order to have litigation, you make your allegations and you have evidence.

you have to have proof. could walk into any court and say that is my car or that is my house. that is why the 60 plus court cases were thrown out, because there is no evidence and that is the brunt of what is going on right now. there is no evidence. were closed,ces the equipment was removed. that and it is awful what is going on. president trump should be removed from office. the georgia call was ridiculous and he needs to be impeached so he can never run again. i do not know what is happening to america but it is horrible. host: we are talking about the senate races. we will take you live to a news conference with new york city mayor bill de blasio. a text from renee, so many here

in georgia are believing these untruths. i am hopeful and impressed. in new york, republican line. caller: good morning. there is so much evidence and he have been -- we have been watching hearings day after day. the courts said they were without standing. they never heard any evidence. no evidence was presented. the court was the wrong place to go. the case to go -- the place to go is to congress tomorrow. there is overwhelming evidence. anotherne patriot after affidavitsup, signed under the penalty of perjury. if anybody thinks for a second

that elections don't have problems, every single election in history has had problems. this one complicated by the china virus has been the most incredible, worst election and it should be fixed. nobody wants to look at the evidence is because the press is just one-sided. they ignore everything, including the hunter biden computer and all that other nonsense. it's not nonsense. it's real stuff. joe biden is the worst candidate in the history of america. he has nothing to say. and he was turned down and thrown out a couple times before. never was a good candidate. he's just the guy that they needed to beat bernie. host: kathleen in los angeles on the republican line. l.a., go ahead. caller: hi. good morning. i wanted to respond to the woman who called in from rancho, i'm

in california. los angeles. and, in fact, the cases were decided that there was procedurally no standing. but none of the cases have been decided substantively on the merits. none of the cases have looked at the evidence which there is tons of evidence. if "washington journal" would have carried the hearings of each of the states, they would have seen -- c-span, "washington journal" listeners would have heard the evidence. there was testimony. there were mathematicians and stigs that testified how mathematically impossible for joe biden to have secured the number of votes that he did secure. these were not legal votes. also, the dominion voting machines were connected to the internet. there was a contract employee

from dominion who testified that she saw -- this is with an affidavit, a sworn affidavit, which is evidence, one american news carried those hearings. but "washington journal" did not carry the hearings. therefore the listeners have no idea. now, getting back to the issue of the constitutionality of the electoral college. the electoral votes going into the joint sessions of congress. the state legislators must decide how their electoral process is held. when the state legislatures don't make that decision, it is unconstitutional for stacey abrams and all the other people, the secretary of state or the governors, to enter into an agreement, consent agreement as to how their election will be held. that's unconstitutional. and the constitution is a

supreme law of the land. host: kathleen, los angeles, who mentioned dominion voting machines comes up in an article lie slate looking at some of the allegations of fraud in the election. the headline, where the president got his lies about georgia while pressuring election official, trump borrowed claims from qanon followers. posters enand a random twitter guy. read that at slate.com, including their details on the dominion voting machines. ray is in aurora, colorado. go ahead. caller: good to speak to you again. i think when i last called in i happened to be speaking with you. while everyone -- not everyone, but while a lot of people were watching the battleground states last year on election night, my eyes have been fixed on maine. have been curious about their voting system.

i know that your guest has said historically even though we have had third parties, eave been primarily a two-party system, i would like to see reform at the state level to take on either the right choice system or other systems so that other parties could have the opportunity to, really, have a better chance of getting their voices heard and being taken into consideration. that's certainly the reform that i'd like to see. host: thanks for that i rarks. that will do it for this morning's program. we appreciate you joining us this morning and hope you are here tomorrow 7:00 a.m. eastern. have a great day. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. isit ncicap.org]

>> here on c-span we were planning to take you live to new york city at 10:00 for a briefing with mayor bill deblasio, obviously running a little late. we'll get to that as soon as it starts here on c-span. taking a look at the u.s. house today, members will be gaveling in at noon eastern. there are five bills on the calendar, including one requiring all federal agencies to make their annual budget justification materials available to the public. and another to notify congress within 30 days whenever an inspector general is placed on paid or unpaid duty status. one round of votes today starting at 1:00 p.m. eastern. and under the house rules for the 117th congress, which were approved yesterday, house floor proxy voting has now been reinstated and is in effect until february 18. watch the house live beginning at noon eastern here on c-span.