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was on the floor of the house overseeing the certification of the electoral college victory count of joe biden's victory in the november election. yesterday on the house floor the democrats were in the chamber with a resolution aimed at the vice president, calling on him to invoke the 25th amendment. that resolution democrats tried to move by unanimous consent. they were blocked from doing so yesterday. i want to show you how it looked on the house floor. democratic congresswoman debbie dingell providing -- presiding as chair. steny hoyer opposing the legislation and republican alex moody of west virginia objecting to it. for what purpose does the gentleman from maryland seek recognition? >> i asked unanimous consent the committee on the judiciary he discharged from further 21 andration of h res

ask for its immediate consideration and the house. >> the clerk will record the title of the resolution. 21,ouse resolution resolution calling on vice president michael pence to convene the executive officers of the cabinet and activate section four of the 25th amendment to declare donald trump incapable of executing the duties of his office and immediately exercise powers as acting president. the --what purpose this for what purpose does the democrat -- does the gentle men from west virginia rise? >> i object. >> objection is heard. pursuant to section one b of house resolution 8, the house is adjourned until 9:00 tomorrow. host: 9:00 today is when legislative business is set to start on the east coast in the house of representatives. we will take you there live for gavel-to-gavel coverage when they do. this morning we are focusing on

mike pence. headlines focusing on mike pence as well. this is the story from today's new york times. "house to vote on impeaching trump unless pence act." the washington times noting mike trump,et with president the first time they met since their falling out over the right. --h men pledged cysts to say -- over the riot. both men pledged to stay in office. to visit trump is set the border in texas in one of his last official act, an effort to make sure americans remember the wall. that is where the president is focused as the houses focused on the 25th amendment and the beginning of the second impeachment of president trump. we are asking you for your view of mike pence this morning. do you support or oppose his actions since election day? if you support it, (202)

748-8000. if you oppose it, (202) 748-8001 . dean is in louisville, kentucky. should have section 25 come and play with donald trump. he needs to be investigated. to have ance wants career he needs to do what is right. , but donaldlican trump is just for donald trump. bidding.ll do his theovernor already pass buck to somebody else. he will never take credit. host: you think mike pence is somebody who has done donald trump's bidding? guyer: he is a pretty good but he has been on the wrong side.

i am a christian person. i can be onway donald trump steam with all the stuff he says all the time. would mike pence -- host: that is dean in kentucky. this is eric from new hampshire on the line for those who have opposed mike pence action. caller: i want to say i do oppose mike pence. i think he did support the president through his administration. at the end he pulled the rug out from underneath trump. he was setting up his 2024 run. a lot of other politicians, republicans, are doing the same thing. they are setting up the 2020 for run for president. picture of a had a

protester yelling at a security officer at the capital, but for some reason the security officer had a michigan state police caps on. i was wondering why you are using a picture from michigan to show the protests at the capital on wednesday? thanks and have a great day. host: thanks for the question. i'm not sure what picture you are talking about but i will bring it up with my producer downstairs and try to get to the bottom of that. rex in greenville, ohio. your thoughts on mike pence? signed an executive is nothat mike pence longer vice president of the united states. that is my understanding. host: say again? you think the president should -- and order and mike

make vice president mike pence not the vice president? caller: i have heard he has already signed that executive order. host: that is not something i've heard. what are your thoughts on mike pence and his actions last week? trump was feuding with mike pence over his actions last week when he was presiding over the certification on capitol hill of the electoral college vote count. caller: my understanding is mike that is on a list and mikedonald trump pence is in a situation where he has to go along with the deep state. host: your understanding from where? blogs on lot of it is the internet. a lot of that stuff has been taken down. host: that is rex in ohio.

these are the comments of vice president mike pence just hours after the storming of capitol hill, after capitol police and national guard had taken back both chambers of the capital. returns, to count the electoral college vote, and mike president -- and vice president mike pence made his own comments. [video clip] >> this was a dark day in the u.s. capital. the federal, state, and local law enforcement, violence was quelled. the capital is secured and the people's work continues. we condemn the violence that took place here in the strongest possible terms. we grieve the loss-of-life in these hallowed halls as well as

the injuries suffered by those who defended our capital today. we will always be grateful to the men and women who stayed at s to defend this historic place. to those who reach havoc in our capital today, you did not win. violence never wins. freedom wins. this is still the people's house. as we reconvene in this chamber, the world will witness the resilience and strength of our .emocracy even in the wake of unprecedented violence and vandalism in the capital, the elected representatives of the people of the united states have assembled again on the very same

day to support and defend the constitution of the united states. may god bless the lost, the injured, and the heroes forged on this day. hereod bless all who serve and those who protect this place and may god bless the united states of america. let's get back to work. [applause] host: vice president mike pence in the early hours of thursday morning, hours after the storming of the capital by riders on capitol hill -- by rioters on capitol hill. asking for your view of the vice president. you support him, you oppose him?

darrell on the line of those who support him. good morning. i do not support -- host: we cannot really hear you. just call back. we will try to get that line better as we go to high rock, north carolina. good morning. your thoughts on the vice president. caller: my thoughts on the vice president are pretty dim. the constitution has not been for a native person or a dark person since they wrote it. i think there are two separate constitutions and it does not cover us. look how they treated native people. please look at what they are doing to the navajo in new mexico right now.

look where their hospital is. please look. please look and see what you have done to us proud people who have tried to teach you mother earth is more important than religion or money. host: richard in oklahoma is next on the line for those who oppose the actions of the vice president. richard, go ahead. caller: how are you doing this morning. host: i'm doing well. what are your thoughts on the vice president? caller: i oppose the vice president and the actions he has taken since the election because he has fit in to the narrative the democrats and socialists in our country are trying to place --t there host: there was not any what? sorryorry -- caller: i am

, i have to turn the tv down. that there was not any improprieties in the past presidential election. mainstream media and the democrats are demanding we not believe our very eyes of what we have seen. we saw evidence of it. they are telling us it does not it in the faceng of facts that we have seen. host: some 50 court cases dismissed these lawsuits about the election fraud. what you say there is plain fact? why aren't the courts seeing them? court: did any of these cases get before a jury of the people? host: what would make you trust the election? what would make you trust the next election? caller: i am not going to trust any election going forward unless all of the improprieties

of and seen video tape we have over 1000 sworn , unlesss attesting to something is done about this past election. host: richard in oklahoma. taking your calls in this first hour about mike pence, the focus of the legislation the democrats will try to move on the house floor. they tried yesterday to move it by unanimous consent. this is the resolution for calling on the vice president to invoke the 25th amendment against president trump. democrats have said they plan to move forward with impeachment if mike pence does not do that. for the latest on the impeachment efforts, we are joint on the phone by lisa mascaro, chief congressional correspondent for the associated press.

good morning. what is the latest on the timeline for impeachment and how democrats plan to move this in a short window. guest: good morning. this is a very quick process. democrats are speeding ahead. there just six days from capital last week and we are hearing from democrats they want to take quick action to show this cannot stand. they are moving ahead. the house will be back tonight to vote on this first step, which is the 25th amendment resolution calling on mike pence, the vice president, to invoke his powers under the 25th amendment to the constitution, to work with the cabinet to declare the president unfit.

that resolution is expected to be approved tonight by the house. in a lot of ways it is somewhat symbolic because it does put the effort onto the folks at the white house, the vice president and the cabinet to take action. as we have seen, there is no movement from the vice president or the cabinet officials to do this. we have not heard any cabinet officials say they would be willing to vote that way. certainly the vice president has not said he would be interested in doing that. our folks at the white house reported the president and vice president did meet last night whathe first time and had was described as a good conversation about the next week. it does not seem that will happen. house democrats are preparing to on thehe debate

impeachment charge on wednesday. we will see if they get through the debate and get to the vote by the end of wednesday. house lawmakers are returning to the capital at the debate will start tomorrow. the impeachment resolution is a single charge against the president. it is the charge of incitement of an insurrection. that will be debated and eventually voted on on the house floor. all of thef not democrats in the house, are expected to approve that. we are hearing there could be a few house republicans that join in that vote. house republican leadership appears split on this issue, as do the rank and file house republican lawmakers. kevin mccarthy, the leader of

the house republicans, has told lawmakers last night in a letter to his colleagues that he did not believe impeachment would take the country in the direction of unity, that would have the opposite result. however, we understand that liz cheney, the congresswoman, third ranking republican in the house, did tell her colleagues last night that they should vote their conscience on this and they should do whatever they think is right. she has not said how she would vote, but she has been critical of the president's actions that led up to the day of the riot at the capital. we will see where those votes lie. the impeachment process, if the house does vote to impeach, the charges go to the senate, which

convenes for impeachment trial. that is expected to be potentially -- we can talk more about how that would unfold. in the senate it would take it would take a two thirds vote to convict. that does not seem likely with the senate so narrowly split. it would take more than a dozen toublicans to come on board join democrats. it is unclear there would be anywhere near that number of support in the senate. lawmakers are moving quickly. usually in impeachment process is a long process as we saw in 2019 when house democrats took on impeaching the president over his actions towards ukraine. a long, involved process with

lots of debate in the long trial in the senate. this will not be that. this will be a very fast undertaking. host: we are talking with lisa mascaro, chief congressional correspondent for the associated press about the impeachment resolution. i want to read viewers the last paragraph or two of that resolution. as you mentioned, lisa mascaro, one article, incitement of insurrection. this is the resolution proposed by congressman jamie raskin, congressman jerry nadler -- the last two paragraphs saying "president trump greatly endangered the security of the united states and its institution of government, interfered with the peaceful transfer of power, and imperiled the coequal branch of government. he thereby betrayed his trust as president. donald john trump, by such

conduct has demonstrated he will made a threat to national security, democracy, and the constitution if allowed to remain in office. he is asked -- he has acted in a manner incompatible with self-government and the rule of law. donald john trump does work impeachment, removal from office, and ineligibility to hold any office under the united states." the last two paragraphs of the impeachment resolution. lisa mascaro, what about some of the other steps being proposed by republicans? you talked about republican supporting this resolution, but we have seen a push by others for a censure resolution, something not quite the step of impeaching the president for a second time. caller: that's right -- guest: that's right. there is a group of republicans in the house considering a censure resolution and is

something leader mccarthy mentioned in his letter to colleagues that this is something he would review. there were other ideas around trying to review what has just happened, look back at the election and some other proposals as well. the censure resolution seems to republicans who did have concerns about what happened, those concerns may be willing to support -- i think democrats and others see it as a step back. impeachmentout an as part of the resolution that was put forward is the gravity of it. president trump would be the first in history ever twice be impeached. it also carries the weight of preventing him from holding

public office. that is part of this, when you look at what democrats are trying to do, they are saying because of what you read in the final paragraphs of resolution, they believe he is a great danger and should be excluded and that is the weight of the more weighty much than the censure resolution. you talked about possible republican support for impeachment. can you touch on whether democrats are fully united in this effort both in the house and senate. are you hearing about any democrats who may not support this step? guest: that is a very good question. at this point i have not heard of democrats who would be voting against it. that is definitely something we

have been looking at today. are there any centrist democrats , democrats from those areas where trump has been very who would be concerned of doing this? i haveow the initial heard even last week as there was such concern about what happened, the unprecedented nature of the violence at the capital. who the centrist democrats would not have wanted to vote to impeach last time or was wary of doing that this time were leaning into it. they felt they needed to go on the record to say this was wrong. we will see today as the debate unfolds and as we essentially get to the vote tomorrow or by the end of the week. ,ost: lisa mascaro congressional correspondent for the associated press, always

appreciate your time, especially during such a busy time. thank you very much. caller: thank you. host: -- guest: thank you. host: back your phone calls. we are focusing on mike pence. that is because the first action the house will take is an attempt to move resolution calling on the vice president to invoke the powers given to him by the 25th amendment to strip president trump of his powers as president. we will talk more about the mechanics of the 25th amendment later in our program, about one hour from now. michigan state professor who specializes in the 25th amendment will be joining us, brian kalt is his name. on thewritten a book, limits of section four of the 25th amendment. right now we are asking for your thoughts on vice president mike pence and his actions and selection day.

tennessee, on the line for those who support. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. -- i ame the president hoping the 25th amendment will pass today. i have two questions. i feel the president should be accessory to all of this business that happened. he incited this riot. i heard he was sitting in his office while all of this was going on and why doesn't that make him an accessory to the deaths that took place? andould have come out brought that crowd under control. he took no action.

why is he exempt from being arrested and charged with these crimes? this is read in king george, virginia, poses the actions of the vice president. go ahead. caller: good morning. i often hear people speaking, senators, congressmen, in this country about we are a nation of laws. , you are a nation of laws say there is no one above the law. shown there is someone above the law -- the president of the united states of america. wants.pardon whoever he

he can even attempt to try to pardon himself. people you ever show the in this nation and around the oned that truly there is no in america that is above the law? host: one weight we have in the constitution to help contain the president is if the vice president and majority of the cabinet choose to do so, section four of the 25th amendment. do you think vice president mike pence should invoke that and what you think of this is -- of his actions in the last couple of months? caller: mike pence should invoke that good the senate and congress should have been on top of that that day. they should have stayed in session.

the people involved in this terrorist act need to be charges terrorists. not these little charges i see being given out there not terrorist charges. red in king george, virginia. it would take a majority of the cabinet and vice president mike pence to come together to invoke the 25th amendment. we have seen resignations from the president's cabinet in the last several days including chad wolf abruptly resigning is how the washington post put it. wolf was overseas in the middle east last week during the siege of the capital. he attributed his decision to "recent events." gaynor, administrator of the emergency management agency will take over as acting dhs secretary.

it will be the sixth chief, twice the number of any other administration. it comes at a time of high anxiety for law enforcement officials as they prepare for the possibility of violent attempts to disrupt the inauguration of president-elect joe biden. is going to happen on inauguration day. expected onecurity capitol hill. a story from "the washington post" says 15,000 national guardsmen could be deployed for the inauguration. that story looking into the defenses that have gone into place around the u.s. capitol including a seven foot high fence around the capital and other fences as well, chain-link blocks from the capital down the national mall. here is a picture of some of those tenses around the capital. the layer's of security that have been put in place.

our colleagues out taking those pictures. that is a seven foot high fence. one closer to the capital, buses are being brought in for national guard members. colleaguesrom our here at c-span. the story focusing on what will happen that day for joe's inauguration. barack obama, george w. bush, and bill clinton will join for a wreath-laying ceremony at the tomb of the unknown soldier after joe biden's swearingen. -- swearing in. the announcement came yesterday following president donald trump's announcement that he will skip joe biden's inauguration. we are expected to have vice president mike pence attend the swearing-in ceremony and the inauguration. vice president mike pence

stepping into the spotlight once again today with this effort by house democrats to get him to invoke the 25th amendment. he is the focus of this question in the first hour of washington journal. do you support his actions or oppose them? for those that support, go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. not only is mike pence complicit, but all other republicans -- [indiscernible] organizations are cutting their ties to trump. sanctions ond countries like iran. the people are suffering and it is time for trump to take a little bit of his medicine. i think it is a time for all other international and domestic companies to cut ties to trump.

carol in iowa city, iowa. the line that have opposed the president -- the vice president actions. hiser: i have opposed actions before election day and everything. but afterwards, i have to say that his speech in the senate to get the senators back to work to take a vote was probably the best thing he has ever said. as far as him using the 25th amendment, i don't think he's going to do that. i'm not sure, but if trump could -- if he just resigned. i think pence is looking at the impeachment process so that trump could not run again.

chance to beave a president after all this is over. i don't know what his chances could be, but they don't look very good right now. probably, we will have to wait until after the inauguration for any kind of impeachment to occur. it i hope it does because would certainly cancel any plans trump has of doing anything and curtail his moves for his followers. in iowa, from the vice president's home state, this op-ed appeared late last week. it is written by the henry county council president from 2009 to 2019. he said that he has known pence personally since at least 1990. this is what he wrote directed

to mike pence. "now is your time. your remaining days, you have the weight of the world on your shoulders and can be our unifier. you can restore our reputation as a shining city on a hill both at home and abroad. willtive january 20, you become a natural leader of the party. you're the only one who can unite fiscal conservatives and social conservatives, traditional republicans, and trump republicans or cow -- trump republicans." it's from the indianapolis star the day after the attack on the capitol. from a line supporting the actions of the vice president. caller: good morning. i am a democrat poll worker be 78 yearsn to

old. ande people that call-in question the validity of the vote need to get out and work at the polls. bovine fecal reuniting the divisions that the republicans have used for years to separate people is nonsense. you called in on the line for those that support the actions of the vice president. caller: i know i'm off subject but i usually call at the end of the show. host: why do you support the vice president's actions? caller: i think he has no choice if he wants to have a political career. host: and that is his main focus right now? caller: yes.

i will be glad to answer any aboutons you have of me how elections are run in north carolina. i can't speak for any other state. host: you worked at the polls this election? caller: absolutely. host: do you plan to do it again? caller: absolutely. like military service or jury duty. it is something that should be expected of everybody. host: that is tim in north carolina. from the line opposing the actions of the vice president. go ahead. caller: i really don't understand why the republicans haven't tried to impeach nancy

pelosi because of her riot.ciency during the let's face it. asked,mes someone was and the buck stops with her, if they should get the national guard in. and five times, they were told no. where is the republicans on an impeachment charge for nancy? host: you are referring to the washington post interview with the now former chief of capitol police about the number of times he asked for help and it was either slowed down or not given. the focus of his criticism seemed to be on the now former sergeants at arms of the house and senate. a story in the new york times focusing on them, paul irving and michael stanger, now the

former sergeants at arms. that is noting their backgrounds working as service agents before coming to capitol hill. out of raleigh, north carolina, the line of those opposing the action of the ice -- vice president. caller: good morning. i will make it quick. i accidentally called on the wrong line because i am betwixt and between. to doeople i have spoken not understand the 25th ammendment. to my understanding, based on the legal scholars, the 25th ammendment is when a president is incapacitated. stroke,conscious, had a he cannot carry on his duties. that is my understanding of the 25th ammendment. most people don't understand

that. talking about are is one of the sections of the 25th amendment, one of the earlier sections that does deal with that. section four of the 25th ofendment is the focus democrats efforts and has been the focus since the attack on capitol hill. let me read you what section four of the 20. andnever the vice president a majority of the executive department or such body as congress may, by law, provide to the president pro tem of the senate and speaker of the house, a written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the vice president shall immediately assume the power and duties of acting president." it goes on to talk about challenging the decision of the vice president and how the congress would step in and make

that decision if it is challenged. that is the focus right now. democrats want vice president mike pence to do and are giving him 24 hours to do or they move forward with impeachment. caller: right. thank you very much for that. making wasoint i was that for four years, they have been trying one way or another to impeach this president. that is why i'm against it. i don't believe it will unite the country. i am an undeclared voter. i vote democrat and republican. i look at the track record of each person and look at what is for thetion

country based on what they've said. host: this is michael in flint, michigan. the line for those that have supported the actions of the vice president. caller: hi, how are you. host: doing well. go ahead. caller: first of all, i would ise to say that mike pence between a rock and a hard place. the situation he's in right now is a creation of his own. he has supported this president for four years. he has created a monster. that has come to bite him. now that he is, what you would , is relieving. at the same time, we have heard

over the past few hours that he has spoken to the president and they have tried to make amends. you have to look at the situation where himself and his family were put in danger by the rhetoric put out by the president and his supporters. how do you mend that situation? host: how do you think that situation could be mended? caller: i don't think it can. if you put yourself in that same situation or you put yourself into his shoes, would you forgive an individual like that that put your family and , your lives in danger. host: it is unusual for the vice president as the presiding officer to make too many comments when they are presiding over a joint session for

accounting and certification of electoral votes, but he did make those comments. what did you think of them from early thursday morning? caller: sure. don't get me wrong. he showed some spine, right? there was a call for north mention that made i somewhat agree with that there are political intentions behind him doing this. backing up the support, somewhat support of the 25th ammendment. and he's holding back now. so in saying all that, i just think -- like i said previously when i started off, he's between

a rock and a hard place. it's hard to know which way this will go. theren't get me wrong, are political aspirations behind everything he does. it is commendable what he's doing now. down the road, who's to say? host: michael talking about the pence's familye was in and members of the capitol hill were in during the storming of the capitol hill. this tweet is from the democratic congresswoman bonnie includingouncing, sheltering with several colleagues that refused to wear masks, i have decided to take a covid test and i have tested positive. -- i williencing

continue to work on behalf of my constituents. one other note on covid and capitol hill. this is from congresswoman jamia ayapal saying that i just received a positive covid test after being locked down with several republicans who not only cruelly refused to wear a mask but mocked colleagues and staff that offered them one. that tweet from very early this morning. about 15 minutes left to talk about your thoughts on vice president mike pence, his actions since election day. chesapeake, virginia, you are next. caller: good morning. president.e vice since january 6, he has been holding the actions that the as treason.ok

pence has been under his wing for the last four years. he knew which direction he was going into. trains at theed midnight hour when he knew that if he didn't switch the train now, he would also be considered part of trump's group. but he's been there all the times. and the fact that he has not done anything since january 6, and he saw what happened. , and how thecrated meanshouse -- the capitol nothing to those people. how much -- it

shows their character. for any humans being to do that kind of thing in a public place. host: joe is next out of stafford, virginia. the line of those that support vice president mike pence hoss actions sincece's election day. >> i have a lot of difficulty understanding what is going on. how things are mischaracterized. for instance, it looked like an attempted assassination from these films where people had gallows and people are using bludgeons on police officers. i don't see how in the world tobody could be declared fit be president involved in an attempted assassination of public figures for political gain. the word assassination has not

been used. call me old-fashioned. i will give other people an opportunity host:. host:-- an opportunity. captured of the chants on video, "hang mike pence." caller: exactly. you clearly have a mob looking to assassinate. and one thing that happened with the nazis in the 20's was that they had individual assassinations of prominent jews before it got carried away. the mentality of this is clearly and pro-fascist anti-american. the word assassination is certainly appropriate in this circumstance since they had gallows up. like your picture there. and it is a problem of getting our language in line.

describing what happened, it is shocking. it is like getting hit in between the eyes of a two by four. host: kingsport, tennessee, the line for those opposing the action of vice president mike pence. caller: i think trump has done a lot of things for this nation. we have corruption on both sides of the aisle. you have corruption in the senate and in the house of representatives. until you get all that cleaned -- they have opposed trump ever since he was in there and they want to get rid of him. host: what do you think about the relationship between donald trump and mike pence? haser: i think mike pence

been a decent vice president, supports trumpe and sometimes he didn't. futures are looking for down the road, i think. maybe a third party to run in the next election. host: just sorting through the -ed's in today's papers. through a few of them -- i will sort through a few of them for you. the challenge is to hold the president accountable without harming the effort of the new administration. the editorial board of the new york times, impeach mr. trump again. , hewall street journal could help his country and the

presidency by calling off the house. and from washington post, cori bush, a first-term congresswoman from missouri, this is the america black people know. it's one of the paragraphs from her column. she said what transpired on wednesday was not america and they are wrong. this is the america that black people know. to declare this is not america is to deny the reality that they toited this coup by working overturn the result of the presidential election. it is to deny the fact that one of my senator josh hawley went out of his way to salute the white supremacists before the attempted coup. it refers to valid votes of black, brown, and indigenous voters in the midst of a pandemic that disproportionately kills us. we overcame voter suppression to deliver a victory to joe biden

and kamala harris. from formerte secretary of state and first lady hillary rodham clinton. america: we need to do some soul-searching. calls for thehone final five minutes or so. house coming in at 9:00 a.m. eastern for legislative business. a shorter than usual washington journal. we will take you when it happens for gavel-to-gavel coverage. miles patterson from new jersey, good morning. caller: how are you? host: doing good. go ahead. caller: before the riot started, they said the president would be there at 11:00 but he came at 12:00. right before he left, what they republicans are talking about how they are supposed to be about law and order. host: what do you think about the vice president? caller: that's what i'm speaking

on. he is the vice president and they are talking about law and order. he has to do the right thing. if they will keep talking about law and order, this is where he has to step to the plate p. -- to the plate. people are chanting to hang him. you have people chanting to hang the vice president of the united states. you have the next in line, nancy pelosi, in that building. you need to bring her back and ask her what she thinks about all this. i think what they did was wrong. and mike pence has to do the right thing. if you don't, he's no better than the rest of them. -- if he don't, he's no better than the rest of them. caller: i think it is nonsense. listen to the speech. nothing was said to intimidate, to aggravate the people to march.

the mayor was told it was a huge crowd coming through the streets of d.c. she was told to get the guard out. she refused to get the guard out. in the disaster, to take advantage of it -- host: what do you think of the vice president? caller: he should not do anything. charleston, the anti-fascist, what are they, communist? the democratic governor allowed the state troops to stand back? they were attacked and nothing was done about it. host: we'll leave this conversation here. president trump is in alamo, texas, today to mark the completion of 400 miles of border wall. giving his