support based on what you've heard today? mr. johnson: just heard her first testimony. she's come with some good recommendations from senators i respect. o.m.b. director is an incredibly important position. especially for myself, another accountant. numbers matter. and we need information. that's the main thing i'll be look for from the nominees, to make sure i get a commit frment them that they'll provide congress -- commitment from them that they'll provide congress and the senate with information they need. i don't know how much that trillion dollars or how much that $4 trillion isn't unspent. we've been told it's close to $1 trillion. it would be nice to have that information real-time, every day of the week. but we don't have that information. reporter: you haven't heard anything yet from ms. young -- mr. johnson: the process has just begun. reporter: thank you. mr. johnson: thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] jone

ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. talk about the mastic extremism. thank you for your time. what did you think about the information that was received and reaction from representatives? guest: we have been tracking extremists for decades. i would describe what january 6 was as the most printable terror attack at in american history. these white supremacists, they told us what they were going to do. then they did it. you need to listen to these people and take what they say seriously. when the capitol hill police uncovered a plot to attack the capital, it is in their interest

to take it seriously, require legislators to leave the building. it underscores the threat of the mastic extremism and their pension for violence. host: going forward, what happens to work on the capitol if these events impact what they do day today? guest: the secret service could neutralize those threats. i think we will have to see fortunately or unfortunately, a perimeter unfold around our government buildings like the u.s. capitol to prevent these kinds of attacks from obstructing the day-to-day process of government. host: a perimeter like we are seeing now or harder? guest: i would venture to guess it would be harder. you might not need the tall

chain-link fence with barbed wire on top, there are different ways you could harden the perimeter. domestic extremism is a clear and present danger. what we have seen is these individuals, these groups, they are willing to commit acts of violence to undermine democracy completely. we have to take that threat seriously. host: one of your associates is quoted in usa today, a senior research fellow saying looking at these kind of threats and also the story saying it would be wrong to think the q community had given up. could you talk about the information you look for when you look at these threats? guest: it is fair to say that extremism today in america, the right wing variety is the one that we are most worried about. right wing extremism, you have

white supremacists, you have armed militia groups, you have citizens. one of the new forces serving as an on-ramp to bring more people into this dark world is qanon. qanon is this mutating conspiracy theory. it is only a few years old. it spread dramatically thanks to social media. it is this notion that there is this deep state. there is a pedophile ring among the democratic party. they are trying to take over the government. there is long-standing anti-semitic ideas. it is very hateful mythology. because it has spread so rapidly, it is constantly morphing and mutating. it is very dangerous. this idea that somehow the real

inauguration will take place today, that notion which is popular really got accelerated thanks to qanon. there's a number of people out there who believe that somehow, someway that president biden wasn't truly inaugurated on january 20. that today's the day donald trump himself will come back and be inaugurated. you have to understand the nature of the conspiracy theory is when the facts disprove the rationality, they move the goalpost. they change the story to fit the new narrative. march 4 becomes the symbol of a new hope. nothing is going to happen today. they will come up with new

guest questions not only about the events of yesterday but the larger issue of extremism in the united states, the work of the defamation league does in assisting, i think there is a story related to events in miami. could you talk about the work you do in the space? guest: we are the oldest anti-hate group you we have been fighting all forms of bigotry since 1913 when the organization was first founded. a big part of what we do, we try to protect minorities. we do it in schools. we also monitor extremists. we have been fighting since the 1930's.

adl helped to crack open the kkk in the 1950's. today we are using intelligence to monitor all variety of extremist groups. we've really got to keep our eye on the ball. after four years of donald trump who elevated these individuals to the mainstream, extremist threats will persist for a long time. host: greg is in colorado, democrats line. caller: two points, number one, if they don't believe the president is sworn in until march 4, how to donald trump get sworn in on january 20? in my opinion, these people attacked members of congress,

the vice president, just like we acute -- accused of muslim people of doing, they lost their right to be american citizens. they lost their rights to constitutional protections. we should not treat them any more or anymore different then we treat any other terrorist. we find out where they are at. hate to say it but george w. bush said you have to fight terrorism no matter where it is at. it is in our backyard. treat it the same way we would treat anybody else. these people are killing americans. they are terrorists. don't call them domestic terrorists, right-wingers, militia groups. let's call them what they are.

terrorists. host: thank you. guest: i think he is hitting on a couple of important points. what happened at the capitol was not a riot. it was an attack. they were militants. it was the most printable terrorism attack in american history. extremists of this variety have it proclivity toward violence. previously the most violent attack was committed by timothy mcveigh. in oklahoma city. the bombing that murdered hundreds of people. this was in the 1990's. flash forward to today. what these individuals tried to do was literally disrupt the very nature of our democracy. we are tracking these people. we are listening to what they are saying. we should take them seriously. they want to kidnap and kill elected members of congress. they wanted to try to seize the vice president of the united

states. there is nothing political about this purpose. we need to move past president trump, whose pension for these people is inexplicable. they're opposed to democracy itself. they are a threat to everyone, regardless of how you vote. host: california's next, this is sharon. caller: good morning, i would like to say first off that i kind of want to clarify what the qanon movement is, at least from my perspective. i think the way it is being represented is not correct. it is really more about the -- [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] jen: today we are joined by the secretary of veterans affairs, my former boss, who is working tirelessly to build and restore trust in the v.a. as you all know, secretary mcdonough