go to c-span.org/coronavirus. >> the trial of derek chauvin charged and the death of george floyd. watch at 3:00 p.m. on saturday and sunday. on saturday, eyewitness testimony from a mixed martial artist and an off-duty firefighter. sunday coming you can hear from charles make ellen who spoke with george floyd during his arrest and george floyd's girlfriend. the trial of derek chauvin on c-span. >> joining us this morning from milwaukee, wisconsin, is the former governor of that state. republican scott walker, now the president of the young americans foundation, here to talk about free speech on college campuses. why did you decide to get involved in this group? e to get involved in this group? guest: it was a no-brainer.

i have been involved with young america's foundation, my wife in particular, on the board of reagan's ranch which young america's has operated. i just look at the future and said if we are going to have a good debate that involves both conservatives and liberals, we have to have a voice on our college campuses and increasingly our schools, and someone has to help lead that card, fight back to create that kind of balance, and i know a thing or two about fighting back and winning. host: what is the young america's foundation and who financially supports it? guest: the easiest way to ask lane it is it is the y.a.f. -- explain it is the y.a.f. trained the next generation of freedom fighters. one of the earliest leaders was ronald reagan.

that is why as governor and even president, he was a big supporter of y.a.f. over time, it was literally tens of thousands of people across the country, folks to give might be $5 a month to those who give a lot more than that. it is a broad spectrum of supporters. we are a 501(c)(3), so we are not involved in campaigns. talking about individual liberties, protecting free speech, promoting free enterprise, traditional conservative values, and a staunch national defense, the kind of things ronald reagan talked about all throughout his career. we are not limited to reagan. we are on over 2000 campuses across this country, where we support conservative students fighting for free speech, own

and operated the reagan ranch, where we do not just use it as a historical site, we ask we have conferences in santa barbara that teach the very same things. host: what is the current environment like for conservatives on college campuses? guest: in many ways, it is under siege. we see it in poll after poll, see it in the students we work with. some people might say why are you shocked, campuses are liberal, have been liberal for decades? they have. this is something -- you can trace it back to the 1960's. in the late 1980's when i was in college, certainly had a lot of left-wing professors, but i could still have a debate with them, communicate with many of them today who are ideologically not aligned with me, but i could have a good debate, and as long as i brought facts and could back them up, i did well in many of those classes. isaiah years later -- my kids are 25 and 26. that ship had already started to occur. today we see a move not just towards political correctness but outright cancel culture.

when you have -- we do extensive polling of college and high school aged students. we have almost 80% of conservative leaning students say they are afraid to speak up on their college campuses not just because of professors and the worry about what their grades would be like but even increasingly pushback from fellow students. that is troubling. that should be chilling to anyone, whether you are conservative or not. free speech is guaranteed in our constitution, it should be most revered on our college campuses, and that is, in many cases, where it is most at risk. just in a learning environment, i think it is deeply troubling. the place that you have to be challenged should be a college or university, to think different ideas, challenge those ideas. to have true debate over those ideas not just in politics but in life, religion, and other things. yet many, many of our students, the vast majority as well as those we survey say they are afraid to talk about those ideas

on our college campuses today. we see it in particular not only with our students but we work with students to bring in speakers onto campus. time and time again, they are either outright blocked or they put up these ridiculous barriers that are not consistent with what they do for groups on the left side of the political spectrum. so we fight back, part of our long game plan we initiated over the last few weeks is about pushing back, getting more members, starting sooner, not only in college and high school but also junior high and middle school, to get that kind of balance on life, because we believe conservative ideas work. i think i showed it overwhelmingly in a boost like wisconsin, our reforms are still intact today. we were able to fight back and ultimately will is not just about winning, it was about helping the hard-working people of our state, and we want to do the same for hard-working people across this great country. to do that, we have got to have a platform, and that is what we

are fighting for. host: republicans, democrats, independents welcome to call in. we also have a line for college students, what it is like where you are. (202) 748-8003 is your line this morning. that is the same number you can use to text us with your first name, city, and state. what types of viewpoints or thoughts are not allowed on college campuses? give us examples of what you are hearing. guest: we have eight tip line -- yaf.org -- if people want to tap into the long game. we have a tip line, so yaf.org/tips. every day, we get unbelievable tips that we looked into. good examples of that, we have exposed in the last few months, are professors who say you're not going to get a passing grade if you are pro-life. you are not going to get a passing grade if you say you defend the second amendment.

you are not going to get a passing grade if you say you somehow support former president donald trump. to me, those are outright barriers to people. they are not saying -- challenging them on why, they are just flat out saying. we see this over and over again sometimes from professors and teachers. we see pushback from other areas. years ago at the university of california berkeley, we were working with students there to bring in a number of speakers, one of whom was very popular at the time, ben shapiro, and they put up unbelievable areas, saying that you cannot have the event after 3:00 in the afternoon, that students could not attend, that they charged a fee that was multiple times greater than what they were charging -- i think it was about three times more than they had charged a left-leaning group. so we went to court, they ultimately settled, because the constitution is on our side, which clearly states, if -- you

have to have a similar circumstance to provide for free speech. you cannot just say that you are for free speech but then effectively block it by restrictive security barriers and things of that nature. we won. they had to pay for the legal fees. most important, they had to pull back on their research their policy against conservative speakers. that is part of our game plan. not just wait for students to come to us but aggressively seek out students and campuses where they feel like their free speech rights have been infringed. host: we go to scott up first in kansas, democratic caller. you are on the air with the former governor of wisconsin. caller: good morning. i love c-span. good guests that have different points of view. i think free speech is great, but i also look back at former senator patrick monahan who once said that it is fine to have an opinion, but facts should be

shared. and when you look at facebook and you have a counter point of view based on facts, you are called names. and i feel like our country has some problems, like with radio, they webinars -- weaponize words, calling democrats enemies instead of just opponents have different points of view. the fact checkers -- i told one of my republican friends that if you got fact-checked, it is your response ability to prove that that was incorrect or wrong -- y our responsibility to prove that that was incorrect or wrong. and they couldn't because what they got called on was not true at all. the misinformation we have in our society is so damaging. and i think colleges should be a place where facts are more important than just opinions.

i have quite a few thoughts on it, but that is probably enough. thank you. host: all right. guest: two parts. one part i agree with and one part i may challenge. certainly in the larger context, particularly in social media, i agree. one of the most frustrating things -- again, a lot of our students feel this way -- is there is a difference of opinion, and not just students but many conservatives feel like many immediately go to name-calling as opposed to defending a position. if you raise a concern about blm the organization -- not the concept of black lives matter by the organization, but you have three people who have admitted publicly they are marxist

sympathizers and organizers, you raise a question to that instead of the idea, immediately says someone says you are racist, call you a neanderthal, you name it. whereas we try to argue with our young people we are working with, our message should be universal. whether you are talking with someone young or old, rich or poor, black or white, wherever someone comes from, conservatives should be universal. we believe in freedom and opportunity for everyone. we believe the best way to do that is put our faith in the individual and the family. we contrast that with people who put their faith in the government. do not need to radicalize one group of verses another -- versus another. we do not break it up via identity politics. i am on twitter, but i got to tell you i hate it, because i think it is pithy and obnoxious,

at any end of the spectrum, people are just taking shots at each other. but one point scott raised i have a little contention with. lester holt received an award, and he said fairness is overrated. that is a shocking statement to come from someone who is a network news anchor. in his give it was similar that it should be based not just on giving multiple sides consideration but rather on determining what truth actually is. the problem with that is who are the truth tellers, who are the people who get to determine that? nbc news, last year, well before the election, gave a fact-check, if you will on their twitter feed and on their other social media platforms that said that donald trump's claims that a vaccine would be available by the end of the year were not accurate. they quoted someone saying it would take an absolute miracle.

well, in december when the vaccines were coming out, nbc news amazingly had a similar headline about vaccines being available and how import that was to get out. i think it is important, but who was the one who determined it was not factual in october, but then embraced it in december when it actually happened? you can dispute or debate gets credit for that, but that is a prime example of where, if you do not hear multiple sides, you just says that it -- you just say that is not right. and anyone who says otherwise is not fact-based, we will fact-check them. in this case, the fact-check was actually wrong. check was actually wrong. so that is why i really do think -- and liberals like bill myers

and others have spoken out, saying they don't like this cancel culture. they don't like this atmosphere. they think that they are only going to take the -- the opinions of those they think are factual. people have different interpretations. students, we should be teaching them to be critical thinkers. teach people how to look for, validating those facts. i certainly taught my kids that. to look at more than one source before you make a determination. scott brought up a point i agree with. i look forward to hearing from more callers. host: we will go to edward. independent. caller: diversity in the opinion benefits -- diversity in the opinion benefits us all, including conservatives. i'm not afraid of your ideas being out there, let's put this scenario out there.

you say school lunches should cost $1.50. if you are going to say that school lunches should cost four dollars and there should be no lunch for anybody, or you want to push the big lie, i'm going to call you out when you come to my community with -- with that kind of nonsense. please. host: do you want to respond? caller: i hear what -- guest: a hear what you're saying. you teach people in the same way that i would not say every level -- every liberal believes in every radical idea people put out. often what we hear is somebody taking a really extreme position out there and trying to blanket it on everyone. those are not the views that are being blocked on our campuses. i think people -- again, like in schapiro, michael knowles, alicia krause, art leffler, who

was an advisor to ronald reagan, these are the speakers we bring on campus and we routinely see attempts to block or at least attempts to indirectly block by putting up these unreasonable and unrealistic barriers. any talk about diversity. paul after poll shows -- this is not disputed -- that when they survey, particularly in the liberal arts, that campus after campus there are no republican or conservative views on many of these campuses. the odds are clearly stacked against it. this is not about specific issues. this is about people who identify as being conservative or liberal. our argument is, particularly on a college campus where free speech should be revered and taught and reinforced, that is the place where we see most under risk. host: sam in new york.

where do you go to college? caller: i went to binghamton university. i grew up in wisconsin. that was a great experience, but i go to school at binghamton university now. i want to echo some of the points former governor is making. it is not a very open environment for conservatives. there are a lot of instances that happened to me while i was at ingham tim university that shows conservative views are being stamped out. i used to be on the radio there. i tried to get involved in the news department. they would enforce these vague rules such as, like, they would have a rule like, don't be a jerk. if you try to espouse a conservative viewpoint that would cite you under that rule and kind of press you out. another instance that happened is myself. i was dating a girl from the college democrats at the time and the two of us went to, like,

it was a students for bernie sanders college progressives meeting. we were trying to get someone to go on our radio show with us. what we found at this meeting was basically an antifa training session. these people were getting a crash course in, you know, any kind of dissent brought up in this meeting that is a little bit left wing, not left-wing enough, they would get shut out. they had someone like an enforcer, a big type, recognize we were not supposed to be there and they treated us like we were not welcome at the meeting. these sorts of things. there were other sorts of things that happened to us. they used -- after that they would sort of use the school newspaper to write hit pieces about myself and her, sort of

the way they learn from their heroes in journalism. host: ok. governor walker? guest: it is a story we hear all the time. my 26-year-old and he was in college was involved in college republicans. he brought a speaker in. he was in the student senate and he and the college democrat chair got along real well. they did a profile on them in the milwaukee paper. even in the last two years that sort of thing has changed. they really weaponized. it is increasingly becoming a very militant approach to anyone who disagrees. i think that is dangerous in a civil and free society. it is also one where why we are initiating this plan is because not everyone is aware of that. not just in terms of people who are in college, but 538, not a

conservative publication. we did a story on a pole that was recently taken of young people from 18 to 44. they found when they distinguished between republican leaning younger people and democrat leaning people that about one out of every four republican-identified said that cancel culture was a top issue of theirs. probably would've been higher if you did under 25. less than 1% of that same category amongst democrats identified young people said it was an issue. i said, well, it is simple. the republican-leaning folks, particularly those at the young and are still in college are experiencing every single day. they see the counterculture -- the cancel culture, they feel it in the neighborhood,

particularly when they are in college. when they are on social media, when they are at work there is very much a weaponized approach that sam talked about, where it is not enough to make your case and respectfully disagree. anyone who disagrees even a little bit with your position -- goodness, look at this in chicago. barack obama's name was being put up to be put on some of the schools they are, and even there some people thought there were things to be opposed because he was not oak -- woke enough. host: we will go to rick, savannah, georgia. republican there. caller: good morning. thank you. greta, you are like sunshine today. thank you. mr. walker, thank you for what you are trying to do. i feel like the last 30 to 40 years the donations from china has infiltrated our colleges. i think they are more or less

letting america destroy itself from within, starting with children. i have two kids in college. free speech, there is no such thing anymore. maybe we should stop our tax dollars from funding these colleges that are spewing hatred for america, for free speech. there is no such thing. i was wondering what you think about, you know, our tax dollars going to fund these colleges. can we stop it? the fairness doctrine in the media should be right back. let's be fair. without that you have nothing. let me get your thoughts. thank you. guest: interesting points. first on the point of china, the iaf has raised concerns about the inroads they have made on college campuses across the country. there is a pushback on a larger

issue beyond free speech. china has become the new version of the evil empire, taking that away from the old soviet union in terms of what they are trying to do and the genocide occurring in that nation with religious minorities. we have got to be very cautious of that, particularly when it infiltrates our colleges and university campuses. to the larger issue of free speech, when i was governor we worked with our board of regents. some of the best examples of policies of free speech come not from conservative campuses are what you might view as conservative, but even the university of chicago, princeton, purdue, all not only make statements in support of free speech but actually have some teeth behind that. that is one of the things we talked about with our regents at the university of wisconsin system. it is not enough to say you are for free speech. if you say you allow people to come -- protest is one thing.

i have given many speeches long before being the president of young america's foundation. i completely expect that i'm going to have protesters. there is nothing wrong with that. again, a free society you can do that. there is a distinction between someone protesting holding up signs and actually stopping people from speaking. that is what we have seen not only with yaf speakers, but with other right wing speakers on campus, where they literally -- we call it ddos by protest. you shout, he put up barriers. we had another school in california that literally told people -- the administration said they could not bring a speaker in, that somehow it would be disruptive because it might upset some of the folks. a very mainstream, traditional conservative speaker. the students said they were going to do it anyway.

administrators literally surrounded the auditorium all and created a human chain to try and block them from coming in. this was not david duke or something we would denounce, this was mainstream conservative thought. we've got to push back against that, we've got to say that's not right, that's not just, that is a clear violation of the first amendment. when you put up physical barriers or financial barriers, like charging someone three times the security fees to bring in ben shapiro versus a supreme court justice that was brought in by a left-leaning group, where they brought in the a fraction of the security costs even though it was someone on the u.s. supreme court, or you would think there would be just as much or greater security concerns, that is blocking free speech, and that is where one of our 12 tenants is about aggressively going out and fighting. when we go to court or threaten to go to court, time and time

again we win. we should be in a world where we don't have to. as i said before, free speech should not only be upheld, it should be revered on campuses. host: the caller mentioned legislation. i am wondering about florida, intellectual freedom bill. with this prevent negation? it requires an annual assessment of the viewpoint diversity at some institutions, allows students to record classroom lectures, and prohibits universities from banning controversial speakers. guest: just to be clear, we do not lobby, we do not get involved in political activities. i think the concept ultimately that people are talking about in florida -- which, by the way, i think governor desantis is among governors by far the best at different levels, but this is

one of those where he understands the importance of fighting for free speech. living in a free society, i think one of the wake-up calls for many people and part of our tip line has come from all across the country with so many courses being on zoom and other digital formats, we have been able to more accurately take charge of showing people what some of these professors, some of these universities are doing to block students from being engaged in free thought. as i talked about before, literally telling students if you are pro-life, don't bother. you're going to fail this class. if you have a certain conservative you point, don't bother. that is fundamentally wrong. i think it is perfectly right for there to be all sorts of viewpoints -- and again, as much as i may disagree with someone who considers themselves a progressive or liberal, they have every right to be heard. i have every right to be heard in return, and i think in the

end if we have mostly close to a level playing field, i believe our ideas work. it is the example i give students. there is a reason why people risk their lives over the years to flow across sharp-infested waters florida, because in the united states there is freedom available to everybody and anyone, no matter they come from or what they look like. they know firsthand, it is what they are playing, the oppression they are fleeing, where they promise power to the people but the people end up in poverty. the elite accumulate the power and oppress the rest. you don't see it the other way around. you don't see people floating on rafts from florida down to cuba. there is a reason for that. i'm more than willing to have that debate between those of us who believe in freedom and those who believe in socialism. host: jeff in roebuck, south carolina. independent. caller: thank for taking my

call. hopefully you all are doing well. just listening to a few of the democratic callers, it is interesting because the points being made, oh, if you want to talk about ideas you need to come with facts and abate them. but then you, obviously we no one conservatives try that they get shut down and called a racist, called a homophobe, called whatever the term of the day is. it is interesting how democratic callers say we want to engage in the battle of ideas, and at the same time they shut you down. how do you even do that? my last point. what about the whole trump conspiracy? that has been proven false. why is that not being brought up? if you want to talk about facts, why not talk about the facts that that was all just fake at the end of the day? totally agree that counsel culture is getting out of hand. guest: the larger issue you

mentioned in terms of debates, again, that is a really important fact. i have said that not only is america -- not only as young america's foundation president, but when i served in office to me it is frustrating and people don't address the facts but trying -- but start trying to label people. you are for this or for that. often times jumping to a conclusion and then later coming back and having a correction or flipping without paying attention to it. the example i gave was with the vaccines, when people said there is no way it's going to happen by the end of the year. then lo and behold, we had a vaccine. now, i don't entirely give all of the credit to the trump administration with operation warp speed. that was a part of it. a phenomenal effort by the private sector, a phenomenal

effort by scientists around the world. that is a prime example where they call people names. most recently what we are experiencing now, what frustrates me is -- and we see it. college students are sick and tired of people being divisive. that is something we see in our surveys. often times many on the left and even in the media will try to say that conservatives are divisive. maybe there are some, but i would say by and large our arguments, our viewpoints we express our for our ideas. more often than not at its core is putting our faith in the individual and the family, saying the role of the government should be limited to things like protecting our health and safety, and for everything else get out of the way. those on the left traditionally have a much more expansive view and think they should run a bigger part of your lives. when i talked to students i'm like, do you like people telling you what to do and how to do it? if you do you are probably a

liberal. if you think, given the facts and information, as long as you are protected locally with fire and police, federally in terms of our national defense, and protected from others violating your health and safety, than the rest should be up to you, with some exceptions for people in down times. there is poverty and things of that nature. what do you faith -- but if you put your faith in the government, let's have that discussion. i keep arguing that as conservatives we should be the happy warriors reagan talked about, making the case for freedom and opportunity for everyone. these days there has been a distinction where if you saw what happened to george floyd -- and i think across the board -- certainly i was one of the first to talk about it -- it doesn't matter whether you are liberal or conservative, overwhelmingly people were outraged, and rightfully so. that is outrageous.

the people involved with that should be held accountable. but at the same breath, that doesn't mean that immediately those of us who are outraged by that jump to this conclusion that we should defund all of the police. i can defend the vast majority of good and decent men and women all across this country who every single day put their lives on the line to keep us and our families safe in law enforcement, who overwhelmingly are out reached by what happened in annapolis. sadly society today the viewpoint is if you are outraged with one thing, you have to react by saying defund the police or attacked the police. the two don't have to be one or the other. you can actually be outraged and still think we should defend the vast majority of people in law enforcement. that is part of the problem with what happens when you say people either have to be 100% with you or not.

we lose that sense of community and good discussion. that is what we are fighting for. that is the one of -- that is one of the things we are pushing for. host: indiana, democratic caller. caller: good morning greater -- good morning, greta, and good morning, mr. walker. on the one hand, let's talk about fake news. the national enquirer, they are free to tell lies about people and get away with it. there is a story i heard about a young man wore a washington redskins shirt to school and they made him go home and change it. come on. how does that even work? in a perfect world it doesn't. you want to talk free speech on college campuses? are they going to make the seminoles change their name? the florida football team?

i have an idea for the redskins name -- the groundhogs. that is all. guest: that one sounded more like a statement of opinion. to me, i'm not even going to get into the details of that particular point, other than to say the things we are talking about by and large mainstream conservative speakers on campus are people talking about the benefits of having individuals and families make decisions about where to spend their money. not even in terms of government. i tell people all the time as a conservative, i believe if you take a dollar out of your wallet, you look at it and say where would i rather spend that? what i rather spend that to washington and my local community its pennies on the dollar or what i rather spend that in this local community? what i rather spend it in

washington or fix my roads here locally? what i rather spend it to washington or what i rather keep it here in my community to take care of elders? i think the founders had when they clearly spelled out in our constitution that if it is not defined in the constitution itself it is inherently the right of the states, and more importantly of the people. those of the sorts of arguments we want to make. it is increasingly difficult for our students to do that not just in college, even in high school and younger ages. we see the indoctrination happening sooner and sooner in our kids' time in school. it is why another wall -- another one of our points is to create a network of support for not just conservative educators, professors, teachers, but also for people who are -- who just

want to be objective. i can tell you how many teachers have come to me and said, i just want to teach the facts. i want to teach american history. i want to teach government. i want to teach economics, but i don't want to get sucked into one way or the other. i want to present the facts and teach our children how to think critically. all too often they are marginalized themselves or they are given curriculum or textbooks that are flat-out wrong. that include more opinion and bias and they do facts. i think that as well is a disservice. host: james is a republican in connecticut. caller: thank you very much. first of all, governor walker, i was impressed with what you did in your state. i think you were an excellent leader. sorry that things change. my question in terms of the wokeness, is we see this council

culture all over our universities. we know that journalists, given a test, 85% say they are democrat or liberal democrat was wondering, can your organization give a rating for each college as well? we say we are data-driven. what percentage of the tenured faculty at universities and schools have a defined political and that would show up as a graph so that someone as an educated parent could make a decision on whether or not i want my child to go to hillsdale or the university of north carolina at chapel hill? i really mean that we are getting to a point where i feel that conservative christian values are the minority, and maybe we should be applying for legal status as a really- government-recognized minority deserving affirmative action. host: we are running out of time. i will have governor walker jump in. guest: there are groups that do

that. there is no doubt about it, i think people would be interested. too many peoples's surprise there is not just a liberal bias or bias against conservatives having -- it is not even left or right, but i would take it a step further. it is not enough to know whether it is conservative or liberal, but what is the free speech backer? if voices can be heard they can counter what some of the others might be hearing. it is not just on government-run institutions. increasingly we see it in private and religious or faith-based and -- faith-based organizations. where that wokeness is sucked in to those places. it is important and it is why you talked about the media. i mentioned lester holt before.

on our college campuses many of the services i have seen, for all of the talk of diversity, increasingly the only diversity that is not celebrated as ideological. host: you mentioned that you fought back when you were governor. one of those fights was the recall effort against you in 2012. as california looks like they are heading toward a recall effort of their governor, governor newsom, what is your advice for governor newsom? guest: in his case he is in trouble, because the difference between wisconsin law and california law, is in wisconsin it forces a new election. i ended up literally running against the same person, the mayor of milwaukee. we ended up winning with a larger percentage of the vote and more actual votes. by that time people could see that our common sense conservative reforms worked. newsom lee is in trouble. a lot there is an up or down

retention. if you don't want to retain the incumbent, then you decide the replacement. it goes beyond republican or conservative voters who are upset, to a much larger piece of the population who really feel frustrated with not just the way he has handled the economy and lockdown and the pandemic, but in many cases the hypocrisy of telling people they could not do something and then, famously they saw the images of the french laundry, having dinner without a mask on most amazingly, with lobbyists from the health care industry. those of the sorts of things that i think you're right, regardless of what party you are, hypocrisy is one of the most potent attacks in politics, because i could respect you even if i disagree with you, but if i see someone who contradicts the

very things they are telling the people they serve to do, that is really, really dangerous. i think he's got a real problem. the one saving grace he might have is if on the right there is more than one candidate, that will disperse the boat. that might be his path toward success. if the upper down vote is first, i think he is going to be in trouble. since -- host: he says, since generally sex i have viewed the republican party as the big lie. can you explain why this is an unfair caricature of the gop in 2021? guest: look at what we are talking about. but the facts. look at what we are proposing and opposing. we are opposing more big government. we are opposing massive takeover of our industries and tremendous increases in taxes.

we are hoping to recover from the global pandemic. instead conservatives are countering with ideas about putting more money and power in the hands of the american people. i think this is one of those where i think that is the big lie, if you will, coming from the left. to try and -- just as i talked about on college campuses, to marginalize people by narrowly focusing on a handful of people and what they did on one particular day versus a larger movement and larger discussion. i think the big issue we have seen in this last year is the difference in america between blue-collar and white-collar jobs. this is not universal, but i think there is a lot of truth to it. any people who worked white-collar jobs were working on zoom, did not disturb their lives, certainly did not disturb their income levels, their kids often were able to go to school virtually, may be in another room in their home, on another

computer. their life has not changed dramatically. any of those people were very comfortable with the government telling them they had to stay in longer. contrast that with many people like my brother and sister-in-law, who, after the first 15 days, were in the jobs on the front lines where they did not have a choice. if they did not go to work each week they did not get paid. if they didn't get paid, they don't make their rent payments. i think there is a lot of blue-collar folks, particularly with kids who are school age, who did not know where their kids were going to go while they were working because schools were not open and many of those communities their parents or grandparents were not physically in a position because of their concerns of the pandemic. they look at all of this and say, why are things not open? why after it was shown you could reasonably and safely reopen, particularly our schools?

we heard a couple of months ago from the cdc director that schools and students and staff could safely go back to school, yet in many of our large, urban areas they are still closed, and part because of the teachers union bosses -- not the teachers . there are teachers who were sickened tired of zoom. who want to see them learn and give them support. that is where we are at right now. i think some of those points raised are really a distraction from the larger issue that affects the vast majority of us. that is, when and how are we going to safely reopen our schools and economy and start to get back something close -- we will never be completely, but when we would to get back? we are back in florida, we are back in texas, but if you live in new york or california you are still throwing your hands up. host: the former governor, scott walker, is now the head of the

young america's foundation. you can go to their website yaf.org to learn more. thank you for the conversation. guest: