coming up here on c-span, conversational global distribution of the covid-19 vaccine. that is live at 1:00 p.m. eastern here it after that, secretary of state antony blinken deliverance respond -- for marks on the covid-19 response. live coverage at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span and online on c-span.org or listen with the free c-span radio app. tonight at eight :00 eastern, hearing on the national security applications of artificial intelligence here at officials with google, the pentagon, and the federal communications commission testified about emerging challenges with ai technology. that is tonight at 8:00 eastern here on c-span. >> this week on c-span, we are featuring the host of podcasts, and joining us on this monday is a host joining us from des moines, iowa. show. he is the author of a new book called "faucian bargain." good monday thank you for being with us.

guest: thank you for having me. host: let's talk about your book and your criticism of dr. fauci. what is it based on? steve deace -- guest: all of our lives, families, schools, sports teams, businesses, churches, every aspect of their lives, whether they can breathe free air outside. last week the state of nevada which is a desert, for the first time in a year allowed you to go to a park but yet you can walk into the casinos, remove your masks and inhale carcinogens and blow them out months and months ago. the stupidity. the stuff that doesn't make any sense. the way our lives are being turned over stems from the power of one unelected bureaucrat

without one vote cast, without informed consent, which is what you and i are given when we go to a doctor and given a series diagnosis good we are even an opportunity to reject at treatment or get a second opinion. this guy has had complete, unadulterated power for the better part of a year. that would be a dangerous premise enough for our rate of life or any way of life, but you throw out how inaccurate and inconsistent as we document in the book "faucian bargain." it has more footnotes than pages. this just isn't pontification. this is often into foti in his own -- often anthony fauci in his own words. host: you are calling him the most powerful dangerous bureaucrat in american history. why dangerous? guest: human nature cannot

handle that much power. that is why the founding fathers felt that individuals were angels. they wanted power limited and still washington famously comparing government to a fire. it is necessary to provide warmth and shelter and security but left on intention, it -- unattended, it rages out of control. there is a balance and when one person has way too much power and way too much accountability, other than three testimonies in front of rand paul and a couple of recent media interviews where they pushed back on him saying things, a, get an experimental vaccine and you still have to wear a mask. with those limited exceptions within the better past of the year, he has left unassailable. whenever someone is unassailable, that is when it is

time to get suspicious. host: when it comes to the pandemic and government health officials, who do you trust? guest: that is a good question. one of the things we raise in the book is what has been fascinating is we have been told to trust the experts. i don't know how many of the audience realize this, that the day after the imperial college survey came out in the u.k., the very day after, oxford university had a primary expert, the number one rated in the world, and she was in the pages criticizing the integrity of that model the very next day. even before anyone knew who dr. scott atlas was, there were numerous scientists at stanford university, where the top five in the united states, already pushing back on some of the data assumptions, some of the models and procedures and policies we had in place. we have seen people in

universities of harvard, yale, carnegie mellon, these are esteemed, elite universities, places that probably don't agree on social policy like someone like me, but they also thought what are we doing? never before in human history have we ever quarantined the healthy. that is just not how this works. anthony fauci said last january that respiratory virus contagions and outbreaks are not driven by a symptom attic spread. -- by a symptom attic spread -- asymptomatic spread. in the world, 3% 8% spread. he was right about that in january and yet we have largely pursued for a year a policy according to quarantining the healthy out of in unscientific flat earth voodoo that the data does not support of asymptomatic

spread. there are questions we need answers to. we believe we need a 9/11 tribunal when this episode is over for an in-depth look at what went on, why only some who fit a narrative work considered and why others from esteemed colleges were ignored. we have to say, i have a right to know. someone said show them your papers. we are saying this in the united states now? we are saying this as if we've never read a history book for as we sit here today on april 5, 20 21, the case fatality rate for covid-19 is 1.8%. we are doing this over a cfr of 1.8%. the cdc says we have 10 more

cases than we have been able to detect, that would put the infection fatality rate at 0.18%. we are tearing our lives asunder for something that has impacted lives on an individual level, but in terms of public policy, the data doesn't justify. if we are going to have radically different views of society, then we need truth. we don't need to know what changed anthony fauci's mind, relax we can get this under control to run for your lives. we also need to note in the future we may run into something that is ebola-like where there was a 50% infection rate and have serious considerations about how much to live it -- limit freedoms and liberties. now we have sanctioned another half of the population to not believe that because they have been gas lighted and like to. we need -- and lied to. we need a 9/11 tribunal so people answer questions and

explain why their solutions did not real-time data. host: our guest, steve deace, joins us from iowa. he is the other of a new book "faucian bargain." he is also the host of his own podcast which is one of the reasons we invited him on we are focusing on podcast guests. we want to follow-up up on the mlb pulling the game from atlanta. this was due to the georgia law to change the voting laws. to the point and the mlb decision, your reaction. guest: the washington post of all places fact checked a lot of these and found them to be false. the premise of the georgia law is to expand voting opportunity

while increasing identification. i can't walk up and get tickets at will call in any major league stadium without showing my identification. we have to show id almost everywhere. this issue has been pulled -- has been polled so many times in the last years. if i tell you is mostly sunny, someone will call and say it is partly cloudy. this has overwhelming support across the board. this issue was gas lighted. i have to give a toast to stacey abrams in georgia. she baited this so successfully that it went beyond what she thought was capable. her own media listened to her so much now she is complaining that mlb has pull out of your state. i don't know how many times your audience has been to fulton county, georgia but i have been

there and there are a lot of minority owned businesses around the games and now they have been destroyed with the gas lighting associated with this and the backlash is quite substantial. i think you can see it right now in what is happening and half of america's social media accounts in regards to major league baseball. as someone who grew up as a fan, the last hearing -- thing america's pastime needs is further alienation of fans. we have to start saying, we went to this evolution. when i was first coming up in politics, corporate america was considered a tool of the republican party. hey, we will fund your social causes if you keep government of our backs from a tax and regulation standpoint in the 1990's and early 2000's, corporations of solved themselves, which is a smarter

play. now, corporate america has largely become woke corporate america. now it wants to wield the hammer and sickle for the left of america and make themselves into partisan beings. what we need is a lot of red state governors to say it is a free country, but you're not coming to my state for low taxes and low regulation. you can go to the blue states with the high taxes and high regulations and screw over your bottom line and enjoy all the woke but we are not subsidizing. when you see senators like ted cruz and mike legal after the antitrust exemptions, the corporations will soon learn that the blowback and wanting to exert so much political influence, particularly on a false premise like this, is a motherless goat. host: will go to linda in new york. good morning with steve

deace. caller: i don't understand how he is complaining about dr. fauci and what he has done with the pandemic when all across the world people have come to the conclusion that they had to do even worse shutdowns. i don't think that -- i don't understand why he thinks somebody in the united states is trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. the other thing about the voting, i don't know what to think about having the id. i know in new york state when i have been voting for 50 years, we go and sign in below our signature for all the other times we have voted and we vote and there have been no issues. i just think that a lot of this is just being created by donald trump who came into office

basing things on complete lies. most of the crab he spouted was just --crap he spun was lies. and now he is raking them over the coals with donations. one man's account was empty because they kept taking money from them. host: let me follow up on the first point because this was a text message a question about dr. fauci. do you really believe dr. anthony fauci did anything but show good faith and due diligence in regard to the best practices with this virus? guest: you bet i do. that is why there are 200 footnotes that say the exact

opposite that point out the inconsistencies. on february 28, 2020, he wrote in the new york medical journal, he wrote about what we know about respiratory viruses and sars, he estimated that in the end the fatality ratio would be somewhere around a pandemic level flew in monday fatality ratio for flu is .1 and the infection fatality for covid is 0.18, he was exactly right. it was a pandemic level flew. we would not have shut the country down -- flu. we would not have shut the country down. norway does not mandate masks. their public health department found they would have to mandate masks for 200,000 people to stop one single infection. they don't have masks. almost every other western

country in the world returned to school quicker and sooner than we did, have more kids in school than we do right now. there has been more about what to lock down and went to lockdown and we would believe. we have a control group in sweden. there has been a lot of gas lighting and lies about what went in -- on in sweden. in 2020, sweden's death was 7% higher than the last four year average, the rest of the european union was between 12% and 18%. this idea that we don't have a control group, we wouldn't know what would happen if we didn't do the mitigation and the fallacy and falsifiable fallacy, it would have been worse if we had not done these things, sweden is the control group and showed they have actually outperformed the rest of the world. they had the lowest mask compliance in all of the european union as well. it is not true that everyone has done the exact same thing.

i would also say the caller made my point and the fact that countries have gone f dirt wave and wave -- have gone on with wave after wave after wave of lockdown's is that they don't work. lockdowns don't work but they do kill. they have created a mental health apocalypse in this country right now. lockdowns do not work and haven't worked anywhere in the world, but they do kill. host: the podcast is available on the website the place.com. our guest, steve deace, "faucian bargain." bridget is joining us from washington, d.c.. caller: i have three points for steve i was open he would address. the first 1 -- do you know who

faust is because there is no correlation. what kind of medical authority do you have as a political analyst and podcaster to have any kind of informed opinion on the medical advice that anyone is having at all, much less dr. fauci? and thirdly, why should i listen to a man's opinion who has a poster of his dark night in the basement. guest: i will take offense to number three. i have to pride myself on the place i have in pop culture. if you want to dog the greatest movie trilogy of all time, the dark knight trilogy, i have to question you whether you are part of the mental apocalypse we are on. but as to the rest of her questions come what right do i have to question, i am a dammed american. it says we, the people, not the

public health experts and professionals. your government told you for 80 years that you are full sartre real and suddenly now they want to tell you they are. as the tuskeegee airmen what they feel about medical officials. this government begins with we the people, in order to form a more perfect union, not just the health department. when you go to a doctor and say you have breast cancer, are you not given informed consent options, are you not entitled to get a second opinion? michael author, todd erzin and i, that is why we quote so many doctors. the center for responsible medicine, evidence based medicine at oxford come all the epidemiologists come with a b expert enough for you? dr. john in these a director --

john ianidies, would that be expert enough for you? i would ask you, who are you to question by your own logic, who are you to question all these experts at harvard, yale, stanford, carnegie mellon, the number one university in america, in the world according to u.s. news and world report, oxford university? who are you to question the justifications of dr. fauci? who are you to tell those doctors you don't know what you're talking about. i would refer to you, why are you questioning those who question dr. fauci? they have farmer impressive diplomas and accreditations, ma'am, then you do. host: let's go to johnny from tacoma, washington. caller: good morning.

i just want to say to steve. you are on here promoting your book and dr. fauci is a scientist and we have to understand science. so at one point we might say that you don't need masks, but with science and then you realize that out there without masks this is spreading faster. so you regroup and say, ok, maybe we do need masks paid you try different things and you tell the people who lost family members. we had over half a million people to die from this. this herd immunity who was talking to trump about letting it go. how many people do we want to die before we say we need to do something like quarantined? i am a schoolteacher, so i

understand how quarantining students and doing virtual learning has impacted these students. don't get me wrong, because i have kids who have not logged on and i am concerned. i am concerned if we had just let it go and done herd immunity, we would have millions die so staying home for a year so we can eventually get back to the way we possibly work it seems to me like you are promoting a book and we have to believe the science. even if there were half that many people who died, inc. about the family members who lost someone -- think about the family member who lost someone. if we say dr. fauci was out to showboat on his own, don't crucify the man. that is how i look at it. host: thank you. we talked about the book and dr. fauci, but you are also the host of your podcast.

guest: we are noon to 2:00 right after going back for two hours monday through friday. i would like to explain what she said. i have not ascribed any motivations to anthony fauci, so that is a false claim. we have to follow the science, whose science? i can cite experts across the world. the idea that mines would've died, we have a control group. -- the idea that millions would've died, we have a control group. it is called sweden. they beat and surpassed and dominated the rest of the european union and excess deaths last year with nowhere near the mitigation efforts the rest of the world did. we have a control group that answers that question. the notion of herd immunity. it is funny to watch people who

say they believe in science go around one of the most scientific things in history. you are here as a human being despite far worse plagues than the current one. you are here because of herd immunity. it is not a theory as trump wrongly said. it is an observation and we look to this because we recognize and observe how contagions work and what is the threshold for when cultures and communities can begin with healthy immune systems pushing back. let me blow some minds this morning. do you know what a vaccine program is designed to get us to? wait for it wait for it, herd immunity. the point is to get us to herd immunity quicker so we don't have more loss of life on our way to the herd immunity threshold. i would encourage that teacher

to study science before coming on a national program and outing yourself as a teacher and saying follow your science what she spewed was unscientific psychobabble. this notion that i don't care about the half-million people that have pierced with covid, that is another fallacy. every single one of those lives -- yesterday was easter, jesus died for every one of those visuals like he died for you and me and everyone was fearfully and wonderfully made. look how she just dismissed -- we have a couple of students who don't show up by zoom and i worry about them. where is the concern for them? where is the concern for people who didn't get cancer screenings? where are the concern for people who didn't get their heart screenings, which killed over 600,000 people every year. how many people didn't get early detection? how many will have a lump on their scrotum or breast that could have been detected and could have saved them but now

the cancer is too far gone and they will now not survive question mark who cares about all of their lives -- survive? who cares about all of their lives? it works both ways they don't want to make it work. you can throw many accreditations up for it dr. fauci but i can throw up many who have just as good and better accreditations pay this is why we have checks and balances and why we didn't have an expert class that all power was given to and who knows if they are right on any day? in my lifetime, 47 years old, fiber is good, too much fiber is bad, fiber is good. this is why we >> we will take you live to a discussion on covid-19 vaccine distribution. live coverage here on c-span. >>