moving forward with the mission to review the january 6 attack on the capital and a supplemental spending bill for added security on capitol hill. the senate at 3:00 takes up the frontier act, $110 billion for research to help the u.s. compete with china. a procedural vote is set for 5:30 eastern. they expect to work through the week and more of the nominees. watch gavel-to-gavel coverage of the senate live on c-span2, the house live on c-span. >> coming up, washington examiner reporter previews the week ahead at the white house. former members of congress explain why they are calling for a 9/11 commission style investigation into the u.s. capitol attack.

also talking about covid-19 treatments. a preview on congress and we take calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: good morning. president biden returns and will deliver remarks on the vaccination program. we will have it live on the c-span network. also an address to an academy wednesday and will meet with a president at the white house on friday. congress in session. we want to begin the first hour with a wall street journal opinion piece. the title, democrats are killing the american dream, based on the unappointed benefits and the

disappointing jobs report for april. details just ahead. we want to hear from you. for lines are open for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independent (202) 748-8002. send us a text message. 202-748-8003. a lot to get to. you want to begin with headlines. from the front page of the new york times, the deadliest day yet in gaza as the efforts at cease fire fail and vegan netanyahu vowing useful force on hamas. one of the photographs is a palestinian man, whose wife and three children were killed in the attack. according to the new york times, 192 have died including 58 children. in israel, 10 dead including one

child. the jerusalem post reporting 31,050 rockets have been fired to the israeli territory, pointing out that for 60 of the rockets failed. the so-called iron dome defense system has an intercept rate of approximately 90%. this headline from the washington post, dozens killed in a predawn is really strike. that is the latest on the situation in the middle east. we want to begin with an opinion piece from daniel henniker on the democrats. the headline is, "democrats are killing the american dream." here are some of the details. joe biden's american family span replaces individual striving with middle-class entitlement. the american families act makes a reality officially clear, democratic party is giving up on the american dream. the american families plan and

democratic legislation implicitly imposed several questions, is the idea of upper mobility important? how should upward mobility happen, through washington or individual efforts? should the habit of individual striving to give way to a or important goal of nationalized paternalism. the transition began when democrats enacted an insurance bonus of $300. that bonus pushing benefits past wage rates and indisputably is causing many to shun previously held jobs? why bother? held out for state compensation that reduces the incentive for me to work. skip the work choice public school teachers across the country have made the past year. hakeem jeffries. >> it is clear to many of us

that the differences between democrats and republicans at this particular moment in time couldn't be any starker, it can be any clearer. house democrats are fighting for everyday americans, fighting to crush the virus, to provide direct relief to everyday americans who are struggling, and to lay the foundation ultimately to supercharge our economy, working with president biden and senate democrats to stand up for every day americans. the american rescue plan, the american jobs plan, the american families plan. house democrats are fighting for the people, house republicans are fighting amongst each other.

host: that from akeem jeffries. the headline is democrats are killing the american dream. here more details from that piece. if the american families plan passes, we are all behind the same dependency, generations of similar welfare compensation eroded the dream for many black americans by disincentive eyes a upward mobility. hundreds of thousands living in public housing built for them in the 1960's. the unions, teachers refusing to return and the democrats do not apologize for the male governance and you want to the nonpoor. reaction from marsha blackburn on the senate floor in april. >> many of our tennesseans have also expressed concern with some of the provisions that were there in president biden's

address. this is doubling down on decades of failed policy that were seeking to prioritize incentives on the wealthier state, overlooking is family and communities what pushing defendants -- dependence on a welfare state. there was not anything earth shattering, a price from the price tag which is eye-popping and will take your breath away when you stop and think about it. for a long time, my democratic colleagues have champion programs that treat people like individual clients instead of families and communities. so here we are and the biden doctrine is a commitment to

spending trillions and trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars. we are talking 6 trillion since january 20. those dollars are being spent to incentivize dependence on the federal government, to supplant the nuclear family with the federal government and to centralize control here in washington, d,c, .c. host: this from our twitter page , chris johnson, demonstrates -- democrats are destroying america. jimmy is on the line. good morning. caller: good morning.

i don't think there is an american dream. blacks, there are people actually living on the streets that don't have a decent meal, can't get a decent meal. and then there are people where i watch lester holt, reeking news -- reeking news, -- breaking news, they have more money than god. what is the american dream? the politicians are there to keep us in line. they don't have term limits. they get all kinds of money and nothing ever gets done. that's my thought on it. host: thanks for the call from

west virginia. the host of a serious xm program every morning and a cnn anchor and contributor on his website, the headline, take this job and shove it. he points out the following, joblessness and manufacturing and live event production, restaurants, construction are going on answered for companies to sweeten the pot. in mcdonald's in pennsylvania, a $500 bonus upon higher offered. a mcdonald's in florida is paying people $50 to show up for an interview. a chicken express in texas supporting science warning customers to be patient with them getting, no one wants to work anymore. if conscious and life events resurrect, roadies have taking skills elsewhere, leaving venues worried they will -- if concerts and live events resurrect,

roadies taking skills elsewhere, leaving venues worried they will not have enough people to take them. your take on this? caller: i agree with the previous caller regarding term limits. every decision they make is based on the next election. it has nothing to do with the people. but that is off-topic. it is a harsh statement and very sad piece. in my heart i don't want to believe that the democrats want to kill the american dream. it is hard to believe that could be such nefarious motives and our country, but i think we have to believe it. you can at all the dots of the events that are happening, and it really just points -- you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to connect a lot of

these dots. we really have to stop going back to our past. yes there are some miserable things in our past, but that's not going to do us any good now. we never look at how far we've, and all it is is negativity. it really is killing everybody's dream. it doesn't matter if you are american or not. this is a worldwide thing, taking away an individual prosperity and individual pride in what you do. we don't need the government doing the thing for us, and they really have to get out of the way. it is so awful. as far as people not working, the pandemic has changed a lot of things, but i don't think we should be giving any more money out. we really need to get back to work. there is nothing more for the individual than working and

accomplishment in yourself in your own abilities. so i do believe the american dream, families, destroying the nuclear family, it is so contrary to the way things are and have been, not just in the united states, but everywhere. host: thank you for adding your voice. another headline from the hill.com, inflation fears grow for the white house. rising prices putting increased pressure on the president and federal reserve to prevent inflation from derailing recovery from the coronavirus recession. on the democrat line, luis from oklahoma. good morning. caller: i'll tell you what. i agree with the man about the

native americans and the blacks who have always been treated badly. myself, i have always lived in a fantasy land, my own world. i don't have a dream. if anybody is killing anything it is trump. he has killed much more people than israel or gaza. he has killed a lot more than them over the virus. why isn't he in jail? host: thanks for the call. device chair of the democratic caucus defending the enhanced unemployment program -- the vice chair of the democratic caucus defending the enhanced unemployment program. he is with the -- here is what

the congressman said last week on capitol hill. >> we know the american rescue plan and principles within it are popular. we know that because even in our republic colleagues are talking -- our republican colleagues are talking, vote no. as we turn the page and continue to talk about the jobs plan and the families plan, we are going to be focused on legislating. we are going to be focused on delivering results for our communities and we will let them do what they are going to do. host: on the democrats, are they killing the dream, the opinion piece by daniel henniker. that is the basis of our question. we have paul from the democrats line. caller: good morning. the democrats are not destroying

the american dream for people, and when i see a tax cut that rewards, the 1%. 83% of the benefits and i see these billionaires and major corporations evading taxes because of high-priced lawyers and accountants, that's whose storing the american dream. -- that's who is destroying the american dream. host: next is sarah from california. caller: i am an independent. i quit the republican party. this rhetoric is ridiculous. washout blackburn, they have destroyed so much of the white community -- marsha blackburn,

they have destroyed so much of the white community by taking money from the pharmaceutical companies and dumping it on the white people, kaiser permanente said there is more white deaths and a large part is because of the opioid epidemics and suicides that come with it. the government is going to favor a certain segment of the population. it has been favoring -- the republicans have been favoring the rich so much that it is going to have to balance out. we used to have moderate republicans like nelson rockefeller, even thomas dewey. the party has been given over to people who just want the rich to be richer and anything helping the poor is called socialism and that is how i stand.

thank you for letting me speak. host: politico pointing out the treasury department will be announcing enhanced childcare benefits kicking in on july 15. if you have a child under the age of six, you will get benefits of approximately $300 per child and $250 if your child is over the age of six. nytimes.com has this headline, job growth slowed in april modeling expectations -- m uddl expectations. -- muddling expectations. federal regulations prohibit people from continuing to collect complement insurance if they turn down suitable work. economists found little evidence to indicate unemployment benefits discourage people from working.

at the same time, many schools and daycare centers not back to normal operations and have kept them from taking a job. millions of others temporarily laid off and say they're not actively job hunting because they expect to be hired back once it is fully reopened. on the republic line line, carl is next. caller: good morning. host: how are you? caller: i'm great. when i voted for trump, i compared trump to biden. trump worked in the private sector. he built skyscrapers, golf courses, and signed paychecks. as far as i know, biden was a lifeguard at a pool when he was in college. that is the only private sector job he ever held. you've not to look at it, he

don't understand what the average person out here is going through. biden is a socialist. he thinks government can take care of all of our problems. i wish that someone in the media would look at hunter biden's laptop. if he would have the guy on once . i watched his interview with tucker carlsen for one hour. he made the same statement to the fbi, under penalty of perjury, he could have gone to jail, and yet nobody in the media is interested in that conversation. i believe the biden family, they

sold this country out to china and that is just the way i see it. host: thank you for your voice. catherine has this on facebook, can an individual who upward on their own? i have a masters degree and put in the time that have stool loan debt. do millennials have the same opportunities as the same generations or have big businesses found enough loopholes to tip the scales in their favor at the cost of the individuals? your view on all of this? caller: good morning. i would like to tell the previous color to listen to -- caller to listen to marcus he now. that was a bunch of lies. it sounds like a person making an opinion.

maybe he is getting urged to do this by the coke brothers. the republicans have been destroying this country for a long time, since reagan. trump came in and bumped it up a notch. who gave the tax break to the rich and trying the trickle down? who tried to kill health care 67 times? who has not done anything for the people? who didn't want to get the vaccines going? the republicans. look what they have done to liz cheney. i think it is going to be something good to watch the further destruction of the republican party. it sounds like mccarthyism again through this man who is nothing but the back end of trump. i don't understand where he is

going with that. wall street journal is nothing but a bunch of lies and i would call it fake news. the publicans are the destruction of the american dream and if we don't stop them they are going to start race wars. we need police reform. we are not talking about taking funding away from the police department. we are talking about getting rid of the mass weapons of destruction's they show up with when black people. that is what we need to fix. host: this is from --, there is no way to monitor someone who refuses and offered job paid we are asking the question whether democrats are killing the american dream. next is felix from north carolina. caller: good morning. how are you? host: we are doing great. good to hear from you.

caller: i have a great topic, how many lives -- lies do we have to listen to before we listen? wall street journal opinion page, let's have an internal argument. jot this down and allow one of your people to look it up, you can show with the democrats are twice as good on the economy as republicans. worst jobs, worse track record. what it does, it is not the article but the chart that goes down from 1945 with truman all the way up to bush 43. obama is in their and it came out that democrats do twice as many. this is direct evidence. you are putting and propaganda, why don't we put in reality.

have one of your people pull it up and look at it. it's as president, jobs created and payroll expansions, all i can say is god bless americans and all those who protect and serve this great country. godspeed on your endeavors. host: thank you from north carolina. the president back in washington today, focusing on the vaccination program. joining us is captain doyle, for the washington examiner. thank you for being with us. guest: good morning. host: let's talk about what the president will be discussing today. what do you think we will learn new? guest: people here about biden building on his message to get out and get vaccinated or wear a mask. there was confusion of the are

marked by the cdc of the rabbit overhaul and i think that he will be looking to reassure americans and to push the message that americans should beginning vaccinated. host: there has been hesitancy for people to get the second vaccine. how does the administration plan to deal with it? guest: they are looking to push the message that as soon as you get your second shot you can resume on a life. you can sit with friends in the vaccinated section at a sports game. i think that will be key to ensuring that they are able to up the total number of people getting shots and ultimately coming back for a second. host: you have a headline from the washington post, the director of the cdc defending the abrupt reversal unmask

recommendations. she made rounds sunday morning including this week with martha raddatz posting and was asked about mixed messages. >> this is an important point, and that is about individuals and what individuals are at risk of doing if they are not vaccinated. if they are vaccinated, they are safe. if they are not vaccinated they should still be wearing a mask or get vaccinated. this is not permission for widespread removal of masks for those who are vaccinated it may take time for those to be comfortable removing masks. has to be made at the jurisdictional, community level. some have been hit harder and have lower vaccination rates could we wanted to deliver science at the individual level we understand these decisions have to be made at the community level.

martha: let's talk about the unmasked and on vaccinated. his specialist told the washington post there is no way to know who is vaccinated and who is not in most scenarios. the likely result is that almost no one will wear a mask. she went on to say the risks would dramatically increase as most stop masking. do you dispute that? >> what i would say is the unvaccinated people need to work to protect themselves and mask and better yet need to get vaccinated. we are asking them to think about what this means for their workplaces. it is to make it easy for paid time off for employees to get vaccinated. host: catherine doyle, your reaction? guest: biden has repeatedly said that he wants people to get vaccinated. we have push from governors over

the week. the cdc director's remarks were setting out to appease those that some state leaders have expressed and put the onus on individuals and perhaps concerns people have as begins this -- as businesses begin to roll back. host: tomorrow the president travels to dearborn, michigan to visit a ford plant to look at electric vehicles per the message is what? guest: the vestige -- the message is that we need to overhaul our energy system and he is pushing the green energy agenda and pushing the electric vehicle plant in america and that is the message that green vehicles are being built in the u.s.. we don't have to import them

from overseas in order to have a great energy revolution the democrats are pushing. host: on your website, the situation in israel is front and center how will the biden administration deal with this? guest: the situation is coming to a head. he has been on phone calls with palestinian leaders and with benjamin netanyahu. it marks a moment for the relationship and trying to find a solution that will calm the violence. there are some democrats on capitol hill pushing for a more pronounced voice from the united states. we haven't seen that from the

administration and there's been some criticism, but biden's priorities have lied in the domestic area. whether this pulled his administration further into the middle east remains to be seen, but there is pressure on him to do that now. host: one final foreign policy issue the president will be taking up. the south korean president will be at the white house friday as the administration pivots to asia and the challenges and threats we and they are facing from china. what will come out of that meeting? guest: there is vaccine diplomacy going on here. the south korean leader is looking for assistance in boosting their vaccine supply currently and i believe that the u.s. has -- is discussing opportunities to do this, not necessarily with south korea,

but countries around the world, and there is interest from usaid leaders in pursuing something like this, but most important i believe to the south koreans is the dean -- denuclear is ancient issue with north korea. they are likely to bring this to discussion with biden. host: joining us on this monday, your work is available at washingtonexaminer.com. thank you for being with us. back to our question. it is the bottom of the hour. if you are just tuning in, the question from an opinion columnist at the wall street journal. the headline is democrats are killing the american dream. he goes "they will become tax collectors

for the permanent welfare state with payroll tax increases or a national vat becoming inevitable. the current biden entitlement pays for higher taxes on the 1%, permanently unanswerable be whether american people will conclude that the traditional paths upward or out of reach from them. biden never asked voters if they wanted to replace the american dream. he is doing it anyway." steve has this point on our twitter page. "propaganda piece. typical republican mythmaking. historical revisionism. democrats always have to fix the damage to the economy caused by gop control of government." romney is joining us on the democrats line from irving,

texas. good morning. caller: the fact that the right wing rag the wall street journal would even print that is laughable. the first two words say all republicans. there is no republican party anymore. it is the cult of trump and has been for the last four years. he has done nothing but race bait and spread his hate filled agenda and his cult members have bought it lock, stock and barrel, including the suppose it republican senate and house. there is no republican party. it is a cult. thank you. host: a number of you have mentioned the republican party and representative liz cheney, who of course was ousted last week as number three of the house republican conference. she dare number of -- she did a number of interviews yesterday where she said she would not

support what she is calling president trump's big lie. [video clip] >> president trump continues to be a danger. his refusal to accept decisions by the courts, his claims, continued as recently as yesterday, that the election was stolen. he is causing people to believe that they cannot count on our electoral process to actually convey the will of the people. we have to be a nation of laws. if you continue to reject, if you reject the rulings of the court, if you work against the rulings of our courts, then you are at war with the constitution. he is a continuing danger to our system. those millions of people that you mentioned who supported the president have been misled. they have been betrayed. certainly, as we see his continued action to attack our democracy, his continued refusal to accept the results of the last election, you see that danger.

host: that from representative liz cheney on fox news sunday, one of the five programs we air on c-span radio on sunday. be sure to get the c-span radio app. another tweet from a viewer -- looking over the head from canada, saying what is the american dream? it is the same dream everyone has on this planet. greed and corruption get in the way. those you elect are only in it for themselves. this is what happens when you want others to build a future. j on the republican line from wake forest, north carolina, what is your view of this? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: the entire democratic party and their media employees are nothing more than nazi trash. that is my point on this. you should be imprisoned. you interfered in a presidential election. stop talking about the election, steve. you interfered with it.

he rigged an election -- you rigged an election. host: we will go to marion west virginia. good morning. caller: hello. i have so much to say. but i watch c-span every day all day. i watch pbs and frontline and all the news channels to get insight. and you know, the american dream, my god. biden is bringing it to us. he is giving access to the american dream to everybody. and the greed and corruption stuff, that can be handled, for example, if from now on

democrats annihilate the use of a word, which brings emotions, and you know, an i.t. engineer, he wrote, if you want to make creativity, you have to -- it is lovely people are more on the forefront today. host: thanks for the call. this is from a viewer, saying the american dream is thinking you can raise a family well working a job. instead, waiting to have kids until you can afford it. send us your comments at @cspanwj were taxed at (202) 748-8003. this headline -- democrats pushing biden for a permanent extension of unemployment benefits, changing federal standards as part of an antipoverty package the president is expected to unveil. the headline from fox news.

responding to these proposals, senator tim scott, who delivered the republican spots of the -- the republican response to the president's speech last month. [video clip] >> before covid, we have the most inclusive economy in my lifetime, the lowest unemployment rates reported for asians, african-americans and hispanics and a nearly 70 year loafer women -- low for women. wages were growing faster at the bottom than the top. that happened because republicans focused on expanding opportunity for all americans. in addition to that, we passed opportunity zones, criminal justice reform and permanent funding for historically black colleges and universities for the first time ever. we fought the drug epidemic,

rebuild our military and cut taxes for working families and single moms like the one that raised me. our best future will not come from washington schemes or socialist dreams. it will come from you, the american people. black, hispanic, white and asian, republicans and democrats, brief police officers in black neighborhoods. we are not adversaries. we are family. we are all in this together and we get to live in the greatest country on earth, the country where my grandfather and his 94 years saw his family go from cotton to congress in one lifetime, so i am more than hopeful. i am confident that our finest hour has yet to come. host: that's from senator tim scott. tell us what you think. the american dream, are the democrats killing it?

that is the perspective in the opinion piece. someone on our twitter page -- how can you define the american dream? surely it is not getting a once-in-a-lifetime position through luck and living happily ever after. from ohio, tom, your next. your view? caller: i do not think there is such a thing of the american dream anymore thanks to our political system. i think they are all crooks. that's why they are politicians. and it is not only in the federal government. it comes right down to the state and local. here in ohio, look at our great speaker of the house. look at our commissioners and the cities. they all take bribes. look at psycho don. all his bankruptcies and everything and he is such a great businessman. all these idiots in congress and the senate.

talking about mccarthyism -- look at mccarthy. he's a good definition of it. i feel sorry for my great grandkids. i have seven great grandkids and one on the way. i love all of them but their future is very, very bleak. host: tom, good luck to you with the grandkids and great gang kids. caller: i appreciate it. i live in florida. i use live in florida. i used to see psycho don every day of the week in his parking lots set up with rush limbaugh. my wife's sister went to school with him all the time he went to palm beach county schools, which lasted three days and he was barred because he is a bully, but he is a great politician. steve, don't get me started. i guess i get upset when it comes to politics. i will never vote again in my

life thanks to psycho don. host: don't get upset. thank you, tom, joining us from ohio. eric on facebook -- the middle class has been america's bankroll for the rich. it is time for in economic shift to boost prosperity for the middle class. don't let the writer full you -- writer fool you. and this from the wall street journal. the plan is meeting resistance. some are skeptical of the proposal being put forward by the biden white house that would broaden access to higher education. sophia is joining us from the bronx in new york, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. host: how are you? caller: ok. how are you? the person who wrote that was president trump.

in 2016, he said the american dream is dead. john was the host of c-span. i said the american dream is not dead. my party, the republican party, is dead. i wish they would never use such words like this. so anyway, with the pandemic, with all the stuff we went through, we are still a country, ok? one thing for you, steve. i hate when they call and attacked the host -- and attack the host. if they don't like it, change

the channel. another one i want to ask you. when the pandemic started, your first gift was the person that wrote the book about 1918 influenza -- first guest was the person that wrote the book about 19 influenza. he showed the picture about the mask. that was the day i started wearing the mask. i am a book freak. can you write a book? write a book about your experience with c-span. put that there. thank you. host: we have done a number of interviews with the author of that book. it is available on our website. i want to share with you from the new york post website.

a look back at november 19 63, the assassination of jfk. the headline from the new york post. it is based on a new book called zero fail -- the rise in the fall of the secret service. in november of 1963, then president kid in it he telling his detail supervisor saying he should tail him, saying it is excessive. the president saying it is giving the wrong impression to people. we have an election coming up. the whole point is for me to be accessible to the people. getting that headline from the york post based on a new headline from the secret service. jfk was assassinated november 22, 1963. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to bring up a point that the republicans, they

always talk about the american dream. that points to the 1950's. so given that, ask yourself, what were the rich being taxed and what was you membership -- what was union membership back then? both things the republicans are against. the fact that they are marketing themselves as the champions of the working class is a joke. it is a hoax. it is a marketing scheme. host: thanks for the call. sheila has this on our facebook page. "the democrats are trying to eliminate the middle class. these are people succeeding without government help because they work hard and save. they tend to be conservative and cannot be controlled by free stuff." the question is whether

democrats are killing the american dream based on an opinion piece at the wall street journal. republican congressman adam kinzinger with host chuck todd on meet the press on the state of the republican party. [video clip] >> any republican that is may confused by the moment we are in, policy does not matter anymore. all that matters is your loyalty to donald trump. this is something that echoes out of north korea, where nobody -- where no matter what policy comes out, your loyal. a lot of people have said i do not like what donald trump tweets, but i like his policies so i will support him. people saying of liz cheney, i like her policies, but not what she says. we have to recognize that as a party and recognize that, four months ago, we allow the

narrative to lead to an insurgency on january 6, and until we take ownership of that, we cannot heal. that's why i think it is so important. host: that's from republican congressman adam kinzinger. are the democrats killing the american dream. that's based on a piece in the wall street journal. this from boomer food -- i am concerned about federal overreach. all politics is local. james from myrtle beach, south carolina, independent line. you are next. good morning. caller: good morning. host: turn the volume down if you would. we will hear you much better. caller: i just saw tim scott on the tv. he can keep telling those lies if you wants to, him and lindsey graham.

they go over those lies every day, like some rock band writing a new song. south carolina is in the worst shape it has ever been because of lindsey graham and tim scott following behind donald trump. we held wish them two would just move down there. in that respect can that you had -- and that last republican that you had, adam kinzinger, if we had 10 more who could replace the 10 worst, like ted cruz and tom cotton and those idiots, john kennedy, down in louisiana. i feel so sorry for those people. they are worse off than we are because of the republicans. we have got to clean house on the republican side and get some people in there like you just had on there a few moments ago

and we will have the american dream back. until that happens, until we get those crooks out of their, those liars out of there -- those instigators that want to keep this country divided, we will never have the american dream again. host: thanks for the call. libby has this. "maybe c-span should provide an op-ed on how the gop are killing the american dream with their continued support of donald trump." this is from forbes.com. some republicans backing a bill that would end the $300 a week unemployment benefit by june. tom calling us from pittsburgh, california, a democrat. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. you would have to say defining the american dream.

if you are some of the wealthiest people in this country, they are living the american dream. corporations are living the american dream since they are not paying any taxes. i think the question is if you want to define the american dream, i have always considered that everybody would just like to have a piece of the pie, not the whole thing, just appease. everybody is entitled to something. over the years, we have watched the rich get a bigger piece and the working people get a smaller and smaller piece. what they are trying to do right now is even up the pieces of the pie. and until they do, you tell me. you define the american dream. host: how would you define the american dream? caller: well, considering that i have spent most of my life at what they consider the working poor, i live from hand to mouth.

i mean, i go from paycheck-to-paycheck trying to make ends meet, so if that is the idea of the american dream, i think that is more of a nightmare. host: what do you do? caller: i am retired. host: ok. thank you for the call. stephanie sending us a text message -- the american dream has never been realized by the majority of people. this is the only argument republicans have to support what would make -- to not support what would make this country great, a program similar to what fdr did in the 1930's. in stockbridge, georgia, republican line, good morning. caller: i am 83 years old and i came up the hard way. there were seven children in my family. my father worked and my mother stayed home and raised the children, and consequently, eventually she had to go to

work, but we pulled ourselves up by the bootstraps. i went into the army and later got my college behind me and i got a decent job and i feel like that my grandchildren now are going to have a hard way to go. they are going to be paying these taxes that mr. biden, the president of the united states, has put before us, and of these children won't have a chance. they will have to start at the bottom and pray they can get out of debt. i thank god, and i think the american dream, as you call it -- i think i have lived it. i was able to better myself. i have never done anything good under the democrats. host: thank you for your service. how many grandkids? caller: i have four. host: ok. thank you for the call.

this is the headline from the business section at reuters.com. after the shock of u.s. jobs data, republicans and democrats sparring over the issue of benefits. this is a text message from another viewer, angela, saying i think the american dream died a long time ago. dave is joining us this morning from hot springs, south dakota, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have been watching your show. good topic. i have been watching this country slowly but surely dissolve and we have allowed the media, in large part, to keep driving us apart to a point that no matter, from this point forward, what happens, i don't know if we are ever going to be able to get back together again. it is a shame. i am older.

and my race is almost run. it is running out. let's leave it at that. host: i hope not. caller: what's that? host: i certainly hope not. caller: well it is a fact. for us baby boom generation, we are all aging, getting sicker, and watching the country dissolve around everybody. it goes back to a house divided cannot stand. and i do thank you. host: thank you you for the call. stay well. annie is next, joining us from georgia. good morning. caller: how are you? host: i am just fine. caller: being an old lady like i am, i appreciate the opportunity we have to express our views. and the american dream, i think

people have different ideas of what it is, and i think we need to be operating under the same definition. i was an fdr baby. i was born the year that fdr came into office and i remember his dream was for every american to have a chicken in every pot, a car in every driveway, but that also meant you had tona home -- you had to own a home and your children had to be raised in a safe place where you have freedom from people with guns coming into schools, killing our children. you had have freedom from other things, from -- i think it is hard to define this american dream that we have,, but i think

really what it amounts to is everybody can get a leg up to get to the place where they need to be. back in 1975, you can imagine how old i was at the time, at the college for the first time. i got my degree. i started in the community college. and my till wishon was about $100 a semester -- and my tuition was about $100 a semester. i was able to get a degree and i started teaching and i got a masters degree. i was able to pay all that without going into debt. that's one of the great things that supports the american dream. host: we will leave it there because we were short on time but thank you for your call and comment. one tweet from facebook saying if you feel the american dream is living only for yourself and not caring about anything else and bullying others as you see

fit and forgetting you have rights, then yes. democrats seem to want the american dream where we work and enjoy life and are kind and helpful to all. one last call from north carolina. good morning. caller: yes. i am an extra republican. i have become independent because republicans have turned against everything they were supposed to be standing for. to address this issue for unemployment. when people go to work, for every two dollars they earn, one dollar would be a reduction in their unemployment benefits. the democrats try to fulfill the american dream. they try to do things people for each person in this country -- things equal for each person in this country.

the concept is that i have a right it belongs to everybody. host: thank you for your call. the conversation continues on social media. facebook.com/c-span. we will continue to read your tweets at @cspanwj. coming up, two former members of congress, tim roemer and zach wamp, will join us to talk about what they view as what should be a 9/11 style commission looking into what happened on january 6. later, we discussed covid-19 treatments with a senior editor and writer at silverman. you are listening and watching c-span's washington journal. it is monday morning, may 17. back in a moment. >> tonight, on the communicators, ohio republican congressman bob latta's discusses issues facing congress on broadband access across

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should prepare for future disruptions on the weekly. you can follow and listen wherever you get your favorite podcasts. >> go to c-span.org/coronavirus for the federal response to the pandemic. if you miss our live coverage, it is easy to find the latest briefings and the biden administration's response. find a gallery of maps. go to c-span.org/coronavirus. >> washington journal continues. host: for the next hour, our guests, two former members of congress, tim roemer and zach wamp, both members of the national council on election integrity. tim roemer served from 1991 to 2003 from indiana. he is joining us today from virginia. zach wamp, tennessee, 1995 to 2011, joining us from

chattanooga. our subject is a january 6 commission to look into what happened on that day, the insurrection on capitol hill. it would investigate the facts, circumstances and influencing factors on that attack. five commissioners at a chair appointed by democrats, five commissioners and a vice chair appointed by republicans. they must have expertise in law enforcement, civil-rights, liberties, and security. the commission will be granted authority to issue subpoenas and the final report is due december 31 of this year. last thursday, the house speaker, nancy pelosi, defending this plan as the house takes up the issue this week in washington. here is speaker pelosi. [video clip] rep. pelosi: they had a concern about subpoena power. ok. we conceited on that point -- we

conceded on that point, but we cannot concede on the scope, and that was sort of the last stumbling block, because there was an interest, and liz cheney addressed that in her remarks this morning or last night. it was reported this morning. about those in her own party who do not want this focus on january 6. they kept talking about what about what happened last summer? responses to george floyd's murder. for some reason, antifa, which has nothing to do with any of this, so we are not going down that path. if they want to use 9/11 as their gold standard, then we cannot go down that path. 9/11 was about 9/11. and i really thank you for the question and i hope you all will help spread the word that

this is a 9/11 type commission. host: that from house speaker nancy pelosi. let's turn to former republican congressman zach wamp. what is your reaction to what speaker pelosi said? guest: we are in a time of extreme polarization and tribalism. last year was extremely difficult from the covid pandemic forward. if you want to say the political year ended on january 6, it was an awful year and a divisive year and a tremendous amount of misinformation flowed all through the year, not just after the election. and a lot of things contributed to what happened on january 6. it was a dark day in the history of our country. it was not the civil war. it was not even 9/11 in terms of the destruction and death, but it was a troubling day that needs to be documented properly

in the history of this nation. we have a tradition on issues of national security and homeland security in this country of meeting at the water's edge, meeting -- meaning the parties come together and put their country first and nobody tries to take advantage of the other party. this was very problematic on a lot of fronts. the only way to really document it, go forward with the changes that need to be made to make sure it never happens again, is to have a very independent analysis. it is very hard for congress to do its job or carry out its responsibilities under article one when the country is this divided, when everything is political, and frankly, some things should not be partisan. they should not break down on republican and democratic lines. this is one of those events. so credit to the speaker, who actually has come to the middle on this. the middle means right down the middle. the middle means everyone --

there is no elected officials on this. there's not any gaming of pro-trump, anti-trump. this is all about what happened, how did it happen, what information was spread, which agencies did not carry out their responsibilities? a lot of this fell on the capitol police. the former ranking member of the appropriations subcommittee, as that is me, i hate seeing them being the fall guy. the senate did a good job of looking into it. the house has not gotten to it yet. the best way to do it is to follow what we did with the 9/11 commission. credit to ranking member kat co. and chairman thompson. they did it in a bipartisan way. let's see if we can get congress to follow. host: i want to bring in congressman tim roemer. you mentioned the congressman

from new york who worked out this bipartisan agreement. he is a republican. the looming question is whether or not kevin mccarthy will go along with this plan. what are you hearing from your gop colleagues? caller: it is split. obviously, last week was not a good week for the republican conference because the whole cheney thing makes this even worse because they are sort of perching anyone who shows any independence -- sort of perching anyone who shows any independence and that is not good for the party. i think republicans make a mistake when they start pushing people out. however, as a former hard-core conservative congressman, it is in leader mccarthy's best interest to do this. it really is. go ahead, independently look at this, document it, go forward with the changes, and then you don't have to be on the defensive all the time. part of the problem with the

leadership is if they are always on the defensive, they cannot get anything done. last week, republicans could not get anything done because they were engaged in a circular firing squad. it is in the interest of the leaders to agree with this, let it be done. they moved up the schedule to let it be done by the end of the year. this needs to be done now for the good of the country. host: congressman tim roemer, what are the looming questions you have? what do you want to find out that you don't have the answers to? guest: good to see you again. good to be on the show with brian lamb -- show that brian lamb, a fellow hoosier, put together for the good of the country. always good to be with my friend the congressman zach wamp. he and i worked together, played basketball together, try to find

common ground, and that's what we should be doing today. we are putting country over party. we are putting truth before partisanship. we are saying that there is no black or white to this issue of protection -- there is no left or white to this issue -- there is not a left or right to this issue. there is a true answer. -- the national council on election integrity, a group of 40 democrats and republicans coming together to try to make sure that our elections are fair and honest and the american people, their voices are heard and their ballots are counted. we have come together before the election to try to make sure that happens and then january 6 took place. i don't care if you ara progressive dishes you are a progressive or at party republican, we were all

horrified to watch that day. i was at the capitol on 9/11. that was a terrible day for the country. yet we all came together, giving blood, flying the flag, looking out for each other, making contributions and donations. this is the kind of thing we should be coming together on, democrats and republicans. we might not agree on tax issues, on where to go on the climate issue in the future. trying to make sure americans don't kill americans and attack a peaceful constitutional process at our capitol, that's something that should unify us, so the answer that you asked for, when i served on the 9/11 commission, helped write that legislation to create the

commission, senator john mccain helped me get that to the house and senate. we looked independently and thoroughly at questions such as who did this? how was it organized? how did the mistakes take place? was our own government responsible for not dropping the ball -- for dropping the ball and not sharing information? who attacked our capitol on january 6? why? was misinformation involved in that effort? was there intelligence passed on by law enforcement at a local level that did not reach the level in d.c. that it should have? are the capitol police trained properly in the 21st century to protect the capitol? do we need a rapid deployment force to protect our capitol

today? and what do we need to do differently to respond to this the mystic terrorism that seems to be on the rise? -- to this domestic terrorism that sees to be on the rise? i think they have done an extraordinary job working across party lines to find common ground, put the country first. and speaker pelosi, have talked to her six or seven times about this bill, she is tenacious, strategic, very savvy about getting this done for the country. host: our guests two former members of congress and part of the national council on election integrity. tim roemer also a former member of the 9/11 commission. we will be focusing on the events of january 6. the phone numbers will be on the bottom of the screen. two different perspectives on what happened on january 6. you will hear from democratic congresswoman maloney and

republican congressman clyde. [video clip] >> we know who provoked this attack. that is why 17 house and senate republicans joined all congressional democrats in the bipartisan effort to impeach and convict, and i quote, "inciting violence against the government of the united states." to quote mitch mcconnell, "there is no question, none, that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events that day." but the -- of january 6 go beyond the craven lies and provocations of one man. the federal government was unprepared for this insurrection even though it was planned in plain sight on social media for the world to see. >> as one of the members who

stayed in the capitol and on the house floor, who with other republican colleagues helped barricade the door from the mob who tried to enter, i can tell you the house floor was never breached and it was not an insurrection. this is the truth. it was an undisciplined mob. there were some writers and those who committed vandalism -- there were some rioters and those who committed vandalism, but it was not an insurrection, and to call an insurrection is a lie. video showed people in an orderly fashion staying between stanchions and ropes taking pictures. if you do not know the video was from january 6, you would think it is a tourist visit. host: congressman clyde and before that congresswoman maloney. your reaction? guest: the wonderful thing about

a bipartisan commission is we don't have to rely on the interpretations, specifically, of the congresspeople who just spoke in your show here, steve. their job is to independently, thoroughly seek the truth. there is a lot of video from peoples cameras, from news organizations, from independent sources to rely on, figure out what happened and what to call this, whether it is a violent mob or an assault. there are capitol hill police officers who were attacked and will testify and talk about their experience. there are intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, that probably have intelligence -- probably had intelligence leading up to this particular attack on january 6 and they will be, you know, asked,

inquired of, talk to about what exactly led up to and lit the fuse to inspire this kind of attack on a peaceful constitutional process in our united states capitol. and it is not only the police officers and the members of congress that were disrupted. there are custodians, republican and democratic staff people who work out there. lives were threatened. a constitutional process to transfer power peacefully that is outlined very simply and our constitution was upended and we don't want that to happen again, steve. we cannot afford for that to happen. in essence of history -- in a sense, from the perspective of history, we have not had the capitol breached and assaulted like that even in the civil war,

yet there was a confederate flag in the rotunda on january 6. the confederate army never even did that. we have to go back to a foreign power, the british army in 1814, temporarily breaching that capitol and ransacking and burning some of it to see the context of what this means to the pride of every american. again, i don't care what your politics are or where you are on the spectrum. i don't think anybody ever wants to see that repeated. so an independent thorough commission will look at how it happened, why it happened, where we dropped the ball, how we make sure the capitol does not turn into a fortress or a castle with guards, guns and gates. the american people always have to have access to the lawmakers. we the people governed are the

legislative branch, not the other way around. so congress has to take this balanced approach. a commission has to look at what we do to protect the integrity of this process and make sure that people who come to washington who want to watch the lawmaking process see their legislators, tell them what to do. that building needs to be able to be approachable and accessible to the average american person, so this commission has a big job. host: let's bring in our viewers and listeners and remind our audience we are talking with former congressman tim roemer and former congressman zach wamp. we will go to rate and syracuse, new york on the republican line. thank you for waiting. good morning. caller: i agree with the representative, the republican representative.

this being called an insurrection is a joke. the video is so inclusive, from outside, through the window, the door, and while inside, it is obvious what happened. this was a planned attack. some of the police inside were obviously part of it because they ushered the group inside. they lead them through into the capitol. it is all on video. yes, there were actors who were at the rally who should not have allowed themselves to be dragged inside. they should not have been in there. they should be prosecuted if they did something wrong, but there was a group in there that planned to do this. it is all in video. it will come out. and the truth is that's the people's house and we have a right to go in there.

host: zach wamp, to that specific issue, your reaction, comment? guest: the two narratives you heard at that hearing from maloney and c -- clyde speaks to wyatt the analysis and investigation needs to be taken out of -- two why -- to why the analysis needs to be taken out of congress and given to a commission. for my home town on january 6, there were five women, grandmothers, who drove to washington because they thought that president trump was having a rally that day to support him. they drove up there and they were at the rally. they did not go into the

capitol, but they are an example of the innocence that did get -- the innocents that did get lured into this because of misinformation, but there are individuals who intentionally misled people for a long period of time. they are still misleading people. this attorney lynwood said this weekend that president trump had already signed the insurrection act and is still the president. that is lunacy. that is lunacy and these people are still out there doing this misinformation. that's really unproductive, counterproductive, problematic for the u.s., because you have to get to the truth. the truth matters. today in american politics, a lot of the time, truth doesn't matter. where there innocent people who went to washington thinking they were supporting president trump? yes.

where there people who probably even came to the capitol not knowing what was about to happen, but as the caller said it, were there people who planned this? yes. we knew this was going to be a problematic day. we actually predicted -- did not know what would happen -- but knew this would be a problematic day because across all the disinformation campaigns from these more radical groups, they talked about how to bring weapons to d.c., how to get in, and how you could actually assemble weapons. where they a majority of the people? no. but they intentionally did this. so do we need to make sure we get to the bottom of it -- and recognize some people got caught up in it, but there were some really bad people that were actually involved in this, and

as the caller just said, they need to be brought to justice, but we need to make sure we are not caught flat-footed again. i want to know as a former lawmaker if anyone in the executive branch or federal agencies looked the other way. did anyone in the capitol? i want to know more why january 6 was not treated more like inauguration day, because there is a wide range of security paradigms. i know from my own service on how secure everything is. and why did it take to .5 or three hours for the national guard to show up? who did what? we need to get to the bottom of this. it is kind of like fred thompson and howard baker in watergate. who knew what and when? we need to know the end history needs to reflect that so

congress will make the changes to ensure it does not happen again. host: zach wamp who spent 15 years from tennessee's and tim roemer. our next scholar. caller: glad to hear that you are back. i am calling about mr. biden. he has been in the government 46 years, compared to donald trump, who has no experience whatsoever, as a businessman, having six bankruptcies, and them wanting to run the united states of america like it is a business. will if he runs it like a business and his business is being bankrupt by donald trump

and the republican party. i don't have much to say other than that i am disappointed in the way the parties following a man that has so many lies and so much baggage and corruption that he's done over the years through bankruptcy so i don't see any benefit in having him or the republican party over our government. host: thank you for the call from dallas. let's bring in a republican voice from worthington, pennsylvania. wanda, good morning. caller: some of what i have heard here, they are talking about what the bottom of this -- with this really comes down to. -- what this really comes down to. this never would have happened if our representatives on both sides listened to what the people actually are saying and asking for. i know the election was supposed

to be all this hoopla and nothing ever happened and there was no wrongdoing. when clinton was running, my votes were changed from who i was voting forward to the clinton group and i am a republican, so there could have been no mistakes made on our elections, so between our representatives not representing the common people, nancy pelosi standing there -- clinton also did it when she was running -- the representatives and the people who are republicans, the middle class, we are like stupid. we are really dumb. we don't know anything because we have common sense. if you want to get to the bottom of this, you need to talk to the regular people. i didn't go out in protest or anything, but my feeling is the same as a lot of those people. host: thanks for the call. tim roemer, we will get a response from you. guest: wanted talked about the

importance of experience in -- the first caller talked about the importance of experience in elected officials. knowledgeable people are willing to work across the aisle and compromise on issues. that is what the founders advised on -- founders devised our entire system of government on, working together. one side might get 75% of what it wants and the other side 25%. the minority views are always respected in our government or should be. i think the comments about experience are exactly what we want to see on this 9/11 style independent commission, not somebody from congress right now who is going through an election who has to respond to the election fever, the hyper-partisanship in our politics today, somebody removed

from the day today election stuff who has experience in law enforcement, racial equity issues, issues of national security, misinformation, etc. those are very important qualifications to serve on the commission when, hopefully, this legislation gets through the house and senate. and by the way, steve, it is not there yet. the fact that mr. thompson and others have come to an agreement, the rules committee will come up with a rule tomorrow. there may be a vote in the house this week. it still needs to pass the senate. there could be changes in the senate. the date may move a little bit later to give this commission time to get staffed up thoroughly and get the members in place and get it working. and there a lot of work to do yet. so the american people have to

show support for this. wanda talked about the people's house and listening to common sense. i think that's something that zach and i congressman zach wamp and i, agree with fully. the congress and senate have to this independent commission just like our 9/11 commission did, we went out and did 19 interviews. what did law enforcement have to say? that sense that comes from the american people has to be reflected in this commission, in its findings and scope and how we fix things on capitol hill. host: as tim roemer pointed out, this proposal put together by a

republican and democrat, one question is the role that kevin mccarthy will play, including will he be subpoenaed to offer his testimony? it came up yesterday with republican congresswoman liz cheney who was ousted last week as the chair of the house gop conference. [video clip] >> you say kevin mccarthy should testify about what appears as -- and should testify specifically about the conversation he had with the president on that day when he reportedly called the president and said " you have to call this off," and the president said " evidently some people are more interested in the election then you are." >> has the president reach out to you -- reached out to you to

talk about what you and he discussed on that january 6 phone call? >> no. >> that never happened? and if it did happen, you would agree it would be witness tampering? >> it never happened. host: -- >> do you think they reached out about what happened on the january 6 phone call? >> mccarthy has spoken to small and large groups about his exchange with the president. he spoke on the house floor about his view of the president's responsibility. he clearly has facts about that day that an investigation ought to get to the bottom of and i

think he has important information that needs to be part of any investigation, whether it is the fbi, the department of justice, or this commission. host: zach wamp, what is the back story to this? guest: the back story is leader mccarthy did have a conversation with the president in the middle of this insurrection, and that conversation like any other conversation that took place -- the speaker had conversations with the national guard -- all of those would be part of this commission. i do not think kevin mccarthy has anything to hide, therefore, he should want this to be cleared up. let's go forward, instead of someone's impression of what he said, get it on the record. let's do this the way we did the

9/11 commission, which is document it all, look at the remedies that need to take place, but we also have to acknowledge here in defense of representative cheney, leader mccarthy has been on both sides of this issue. he went to the floor and clearly talked about president trump's responsibility on january 6. since then, he has retracted all of that and said " not really." he has to come to terms with that, but i believe and many conservative republicans believe it is in the house republicans' best interest to have this done have been bills introduced by both parties in the house to get this commission done. some have three dozen republican cosponsors on the bill, so this is not a democratic effort to get this done. it is bipartisan.

we all know mitch mcconnell took a different approach to what happened on january 6 them leader mccarthy. he -- than leader mccarthy. republicans are divided here, but i believe that the majority of republicans would like to see this done, like to see it documented and at some point the country has got to move forward, totally agreed, get back to the issues, but we cannot sweep this away in the past and act like it did not happen and there was not an insurrection. some of the narratives are just so false and to some of the misinformation so heinous, we have to get to the bottom of it. it would behoove the republican leadership in the house to get that done. host: if asked, serve on this commission? guest: well, number one, it

needs to be very diverse. the 9/11 commission was great but it was not as diverse as today's requirements. i would serve because the country calls but i do not think i would be the one. i think someone needs a higher level of law enforcement knowledge then i have. i have some historical knowledge but we need the best experts in the country and it needs to be done regardless of their political persuasion or their belief of what happened. call a professional jury to call all the strikes is so we do not get this land of the modern american political agenda. host: tim rimmer, what about -- tim roemer, what about you? guest: if i was asked to do this, which i doubt i will be, i

certainly would say yes to the republican leader or a democratic leader making that request, but we are not there yet. we have a long way to go. let me step away from the question about mr. mccarthy -- there is a eight house bill -- there is a house bill from rodney davis. he has cosponsors to create a january 6 commission. congressman upton was on the talk shows yesterday. he said he is in favor of this legislation by mr. thompson. the republicans will have to step up and to show bipartisan support for this. on the senate side, steve, i have to tip my hat to those who have worked closely with senator peters on the oversight hearing

on the homeland security committee. senator portman, a republican from ohio has been joined at the hip trying to put our security over partisan politics. that is what we need to see more of, those kinds of answers sought by both democrats and republicans. if this passes the house, then we need to see leaders like senator portman, senator murkowski, senator collins and others step up to ensure this is a bipartisan effort. host: both of our guests are members of the council on election integrity. you can get more information on their website. we will go to jean joining us from pineville, missouri, republican line. caller: welcome back, tim

. i do agree with zach. i think this investigation needs to go on. it needs to be fair and unbiased. i watched it all the way up until the riot started happening, if you want to call it a riot, but i believe it was planned, and i believe it was to stop just connelly -- from the protest. they were trying to get the audit from the election going. i believe that is the whole reason behind this planned riot that was going on. it was just to stop that from happening. i believe it would be a favor to all americans to have this investigation go on. host: thanks. let's go to edward joining us from keyport, missouri.

caller: i have two thoughts -- one would be what is conservative media's role in priming these individuals? to this day their vitriol is " you're going to lose your way ." the rnc, three days they had a fest of hate. " ms 13 is going to move into my house." you are sitting there, listening to this vitriol, what is the role that your party has in this as well? host: zach wamp, we will turn to you. guest: i grew up a democrat. i voted for jimmy carter in 1976. ronald reagan made a republican out of me.

i am a reagan republican. our party is very much in turmoil. it is split. the democratic party has nothing to brag about. they have this wild, woke left, then they have ambassador roemer . but the republican party needs to get its act together. we need to restore the reagan tenets of the party and build it on a more conservative platform. limited government,, lower spending. the spending is nuts! and way too much in american politics, money drives action. people talk about the role of liberal or conservative media. there is not much journalism anymore. that is what makes c-span so good. they do not take sides. they just report. i was on the jim lehrer murder

news our, -- -- jim larimer news our. -- i was on the gym larimer -- it is propaganda from the left, from the right. it is designed to sell advertising period. do not take information from the propaganda sources or else you will not know right from wrong, night from day. the scripture says towards the end times, that is what happens. i am concerned about all this information. i am concerned about how money dominates the party. i am interested in how the party -- concerned about how the party defends anyone no matter if they are wrong. both sides have some blame. one reason why i am so involved

on issue one is we have 206 former members of congress all in a bipartisan way who are trying to put their country above their party, trying to restore confidence and trust. the earlier caller talked about how trust has been lost. without trust in our officials at the federal level, this republic will not survive. in order to have trust we need to operate in good faith. the politics of today are out of control. they operate in 2 year cycles and all these incumbents care about is us staying in power. when they get together in teams, it is all about who wins and who loses and the american people lose. this is an example of how we have to come back together. there are certain things that unify us, and our capital and free and fair elections.

for all the people who believe this was not a free and fair election, there is no scientific evidence that any kind of fraud or irregularity anyway influence to the outcome. that is a fact. you may not like it, but that is a fact. these are the basic truths we have to stand on or this republic will be lost. host: zach wamp is joining us from chattanooga, tennessee and tim roemer, former democratic member from indiana. this tweet saying " there should be no division on what happened on january 6. we all watched. the former guy is responsible for drumming up the false narrative that the election would be stolen." our cameras were inside the capital on january 6.

we will look at that while we talked to police -- elise. \ caller: we have had-- caller: we have had many commissions. what i am sincerely terrified about is when the insurrection took place at the white house without the protection of the secret service and the many injuries that happened. there would have been an insurrection at the white house and they would have burned the white house, no doubt about it. if you are just going to do it with one insurrection, you need to look at both insurrections because it was dangerously close. it was so close that they had to move the president to debunker. -- to the bunker. i know he plays it off, and that is good because he is not terrorizing us, thinking " we have a president who is kneeling

somewhere. he is a decent man." your commissions, i do not have any faith in. as far as the republic, as long as we have free speech and the ability to hash these things out among the populace, we will have a better republic sometime down the road, but right now we have both parties, i am talking about the two specifically sitting here, i would not trust them as far as i can throw them. host: she referred to the black lives matter demonstrations that took place at lafayette park in june of 2020 when trump was still in the white house. is there a parallel between those events and what occurred on january 6? guest: the simple answer is no. january 6 commission is all about january 6.

it is not about what happened two days before in cincinnati or seattle. it is about a mob assaulting the peaceful transfer of power established by our united states constitution. i want to respond to something she said that resonates with me. she said " i do not have a lot of faith in these commissions." commissions are very difficult and arduous to put together. i have served on 4 or 5 blue-ribbon commissions from the 9/11 commissions due counterterrorism -- to the national parks. there are two big hurdles to get through to have a successful commission. the first is to create it. that is what zach wamp and i are showing today, we are putting

right before wrong. you have got to get this thing done through congress, the senate, and have the president sign it. second, you have to get the right commissioners together who will establish a culture of frankly talking to one another, listening to one another, digging for the facts, knocking down doors for the truth. washington has a peculiar way back in our history to protecting people and not letting these truth seekers succeed. commissions have to have aggressive, tough-minded, truth seeking people on them that will work collaboratively and establish a culture of respect and truth. thirdly, they then have to make recommendations that are unanimous in nature and then pass them in law through

congress. those three steps are extremely difficult. 90% of commissions probably fail. the 9/11 commission succeeded for many reasons. your viewers will remember this -- one of the primary reasons we succeeded in the 9/11 commission in all three areas, passing it into law, getting the right kind of people to serve, and getting almost everyone of, our recommendations passed into law, i give full credit to the 9/11 families. here were family members who lost a son, a daughter, a wife, and uncle, and aunt, and they do not sit back and grieve -- an uncle, an aunt, and they do not sit back and grieve.

they held our feet to the fire on the commission. they work so effectively to help us pass those recommendations into law. the real success, steve, of the 9/11 commission was after those 40 items were passed into law, we have not seen the same kind of attack happening on our country. that is where the rubber meets the road. do you change things in that society that were vulnerable and make the country safer? republicans into democrats -- it is a tough task. i hope in addition to 9/11 family members supporting the january 6 commission, i hope we will have pro-democracy groups from the lugar group to the bipartisan democracy center,

common cause, all these groups coming from right and left to say " truth shall prevail. country comes first. our constitution is sacred. let's get to the truth of what happened on january 6 and make sure the people's house is protected." lincoln used to talk about how a house divided will not succeed, will not be achieved, will fall upon itself. he quoted scripture on that. the house is not the people's house per se. we cannot succeed going forward if we cannot come together for things like january 6 to seek truth. host: i want to go back to another caller but, tim roemer, how many members were on the 9/11 commission? guest: five republicans, five

democrats. we had split subpoena power so democrats and republicans working together could get a subpoena. we had staff who were highly experienced. we had 9/11 families holding us accountable and helping us pass things. we had a best-selling report that was on the nine -- new york times bestseller list. the opening chapter to our report was " we have some planes," the terrorists saying over the loudspeaker " sit back in your chairs, and do not do anything." flight 93, the folks on that plane did not sit back and let the terrorists do anything. they attacked the cockpit, they brought that plane down before it hit the capital or whatever target it was going to hit. it went down in pennsylvania. those brave, american patriots stood up, voted to take action,

attacked the cop plate -- cockpit and took that plane down. host: charles in alexandria, virginia. thank you for waiting. you are on the line with tim roemer and zach wamp. caller: thank you for coming, particularly the republican gentlemen. as an independent i appreciate you coming because you are exactly what i feel. tell me what can win? in the truth that needs to come out. on that day as a black man and a 24 year military veteran i was appalled from to frontd. as -- from two fronts. we both know that if -- i'm sure you have heard it before -- if it were blacks in those

capital we would have an independent review long before now. it would have been long over and the truth would have been told. i do not understand why america does not want to know the truth. our democracy is at stake. it was being -- attempted to be overthrown. we need to know who knew what and when, anybody and everybody who was involved. we need to know the truth and that is the only thing that will set us free. again, the brother from tennessee, i appreciate you. thank you. host: zach wamp, your response? guest: thank you for your service. i want to come back to what you said -- you asked " is there a parallel between antifa and blm

and what happened january 6?" i think they are parallel. the question is did they intersect? i don't think they intersected, but they are parallel in the sense they are both politically motivated. there were a lot of politics between what happened last summer, there was a lot of anti-trump stuff attached to it . the reason they do not need to be combined is because they are parallel. what happened on january 6 got all the way inside the capital. people died. destruction took place. that did not even happen during the civil war. during the civil war the capitol may have been better protected! i'm just trying to call balls and strikes like a referee. what happened?

we need to know the truth. let's not confuse these issues. the january's -- that january 6 is also antifa. they may be parallel, but they are not the same. host: both members of the council on election integrity -- in half a minute, what is the council? guest: the council, steve, is a group of 40 democrats and republicans, people like former senator bill fresh from tennessee, former leader -- all coming together, putting country before party, and insisting that our elections are fair, free, and votes are counted, and integrity and truth be important there. a fellow hoosier from the great

state of indiana serves with me on their, and we will continue to stand up for truth and not let people say that this election was rigged. we want the truth to come out. more americans voted than any time since 1800. more young people voted than any time in our history. there is no evidence of any widespread fraud or problems in counting those votes, as the state of georgia had 2 or 3 different recounts. many brave republicans stood up and said " this vote was held with integrity and honor and truth." host: you said you end zach wamp used to do play -- and zach wamp used to play basketball in the house gym. who was the better player? [laughter]

guest: they stay very quiet as to who got assists and rebounds and who score the most points. some of them are greatly exaggerated! zach, i have to give him credit, he is a better baseball player then he is a basketball player. not nearly as good as his arm and keep batting eye. -- keen batting eye. guest: no one got more than four inches off the ground in that basketball game. host: that is not an answer, but i will leave it there. tim roemer is a former 9/11 commission member and zach wamp also a member of that -- thank you for being with us. guest: great to be with you. host: thank you to both of you.

we want to turn our attention to covid-19 end different treatments available to you -- and different treatments available to you. c-span's washington journal continues on this monday morning the 17th of may. stay with us. ♪ >> tonight on the communicators, bob latta talks about issues facing broadband access. >> it is important when you think about 5g and the accountability of big tech. those are some of the big issues right off the bat. when you think about the broadband issue, because i look

across my district in ohio, i know there are a lot of areas in my district where we do not have broadband. it is so important after what we have seen with covid, because we saw everything from telemedicine, to tell education, -- teleducation, it is crucial broadband be out there. this is not republican, democrat or independent. this is all our issue. >> watch the communicators with bob latta tonight on c-span two. ♪ >> on c-span's the weekly, a lesson on america's supply chain. how our pandemic, and a barge stuck on the suez canal all serve as reminders that we remain honorable.

rob teaches the subject at south carolina university. >> demand for things went down, some things went up, but people were conserving, they were not spending much. these supply chains slow down, and as people got vaccinated and we started to see life coming back into the economy, people started spending again. these supply chains do not start on a dime. they take a while to go up. you do not step on the gas and they start going. >> how the supply chain works and how we can prepare for future disruptions on the c-span's weekly. >> combat is back in session -- congress is back in session today. they return at 2:00 eastern. on the agenda, moving forward

with the commission to examine the events of january 6. at 3:00, the senate takes up the endless frontier act, to gang up money for technology to help us -- they are expected to continue work on that through the week as well as more of president biden's nominees. watch gavel-to-gavel coverage of the senate on c-span2 and the house live on c-span. >> washington journal continues. host: at this time we take a much closer look at coronavirus, the pandemic that began in late february, early march and we want to focus on various treatments. joining us now is ed silverman. he is a columnist for stata new -- statin news -- staten

news. guest: thank you for having me. basically, therapeutics are either monoclonal antibodies designed to mimic, restore or enhance the body's immune response. the antibodies rather in the immune system. it is an artificial way of training the immune system to attack the disease. the vaccine stimulates the antibodies. they are in different ways to do something similar, which is get the body's antibodies moving towards a disease that needs to be sent out. host: let's look at the numbers -- operation warp speed put in

place by the trump administration, the vaccine daba element -- development totaling nearly $13 billion. compare that to therapeutics manufacturing at $2 billion. why did disparity -- the disparity? guest: that study was issued a few months ago and not all the numbers were in. barda has awarded contracts for therapeutic development, and it says the number is above $8 billion at this point, but that seems to have gone up also since then. the reason there is a disparity is -- there are a few reasons. in an ideal world it would

be nice to have a preventive rather than a therapeutic. let's emphasize whatever we can do to develop preventative tools. that is the philosophy behind vaccine investment. the reality of courses when people get sick, you need treatments. what happened in the covid pandemic over the past year is initially the thought was, let's look at existing drugs. monoclonal antibodies, see if we can repurpose one or more of those for treating covid-19 patients before they are hospitalized for instance but showing signs of developing serious covid. it makes sense to go after those kinds of products, and initially the federal government pursued it with contracts two different

companies to -- to different companies. at the same time, there was a lot of interest in vaccines for the reasons i have mentioned. you want a preventative tool. of course, there was at the time the need to place different bets. producing these products is time-consuming and expensive. you do not want to put all your eggs in one basket. the issue was let's -- vaccine production usually takes a lot longer than x number of months, but that happened with the covid vaccines. a little more than a year from the time a lot of this activity began, we have various vaccines

that are able to help prevent the coronavirus in varying degrees, but that has lessened the need over time to look at monoclonal antibodies and other therapies. barda said they would stop accepting pitches and needs from companies who want federal funding for developing some of these therapeutics -- and bids from companies who want federal funding for developing some of these therapeutics. they have earmarked billion's of dollars through the cares act for instance to develop different products including therapeutics but i do think it reflects the belief now that we

have enough vaccines, at least enough choices, but we have enough choices that if there is enough vaccination, hopefully there will be fewer cases of covid that develop. it is hard to know if that is the right step because as we have heard discussed over the past several months, there are new variants of the coronavirus emerging over time. we do not know what to expect, so saying we might not need therapeutics or as much investment in therapeutics later on, i would think we may want to keep our ion that. -- our eye on that. host: we are talking to ed silverman. he has written for the new york journal and new york newsday.

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company and it has the opportunity to remote its product -- promote its product. whether or not anyone company decides to accept a lower than market price, i am not suggesting that is what regeneron is doing here, they are also promoting their brand, their ability to deliver, not just a necessary products, but doing so in a crisis. that is good for their image. that builds confidence. the idea is to build confidence among investors. i also think that there is an element of old-fashioned marketing the pharmaceutical industry is trying to change its image more broadly because of

all the criticism it has taken for pricing debacles over the past few years. regeneron has not really been targeted that much as other companies have, but it sees into that psychology. host: i want to share with you what washington state talked about at a congressional hearing last month looking at some of the stands with covid-19 treatment. here is cynthia alexander. [video clip] >> the marketing of unsubstantiated covid treatments -- we have investigated a number of businesses engaged in this conduct. cease and desist orders, warning letters, to protect our consumers in washington. early eight in the pandemic, a company started promoting a

virus destroying drink to consumers. in any mail sent to washingtonians, they said " i think this drink is so effective i am giving it to my pregnant wife daily so click the link below>" we also heard about -- click the link below." we also heard about an allergy clinic who was offering treatment for covid-19. these two matters we resolved with a cease and desist letter. host: that from the washington state assistant attorney general. how are state investigators able to track these scams? guest: well, there are different ways. to a large extent, the same as any kind of scam. you get complaints from people who are suspicious, even though they may not have tried such a

product, but they have seen the marketing pitches. then you get complaints from people who may have taken that step and made the mistake of ordering something that is not proven. then they get concerned because perhaps there is harm or they just feel they got ripped off so there is no effect. then you have others watching it who are in the industry and know very well that certain efforts of the sort that she just described really cannot have any kind of positive effect. and they wanted to alert regulators and law enforcement to that sort of scam. those are the obvious, usual ways that occur. as i said, any opportunity to cause a scam to come up, we have a global pandemic, it is going to be like lacrimal. scams -- like whack-a-mole.

host: our guest is joining us from new jersey. charlie is on the phone from hayward, california. caller: what fascinating subject matter! i have a question as to if ed has any opinions on hydrogen peroxide and if that has any interesting process in this covid-19 pandemic. host: thank you, charlie. ed silverman? guest: i do not have anything to suggest that we should be looking at that product to treat covid. i do not recall reading any medical literature that has indicated that there is evidence to that effect. host: but you have written about

remdesivir. what does that drug do? guest: remdesivir is developed by alien sciences known in the industry as an antiviral company. they develop treatments for very widespread infectious diseases like hepatitis c and hiv-aids. remdesivir is a product that was tested earlier for the ebola virus. the company tried it for covid-19, and it testing determined it could help some patients who had contracted the virus. it is not a preventative tool, but it is a therapeutic. there has been some back-and-forth debate about the extent of its effectiveness over the years -- over the past year -- but the fda did get out

early and authorize emergency use for the product. the who seemed to be contradictory, but remdesivir is now widely used in many countries around the world. host: if our viewers have tested positive are recovered from covid-19, tell us how your treatment worked or did not work at (202) 748-8000. our focus this hour is on treatment for covid-19. let's talk about the role plasma has played in treating covid-19. can you explain? guest: i cannot remember which month, but last spring convalescent plasma popped up as a possible treatment to try and combat the coronavirus, but it was a very premature

notion. there were some who believed that by using that tool, you could have a positive effect. science is not always perfect. you have to have this notion of experiment and testing in order to prove a theory. in this case, it was not fully proven. this was is still in the early stages of the pandemic, if you can call a year ago the early stages. there was a lot of concern, fear and anxiety. the u.s. government was looking at the best way to invest in treatments, vaccines, so convalescent plasma popped up, and it was embraced for a time, but it really never panned out. in fact, two days ago, the lancet, which is a widely

respected medical journal published in the u.k., came out with an analysis of the use of convalescent plasma, showing that there really was no effect virtually. they compared 2000 patients given convalescent plasma to those who were not. there was no statistical significance to suggested that it could be useful unfortunately. it is another one of these instances where with good intentions in this case, and the idea is floated, -- an idea is floated, some pursue it, but it does not pan out. host: casey joins us, huntsville, missouri. are you with us? caller: yes. host: go ahead please. caller: i tested positive for covid back in september and was admitted to the hospital with a

treatment of remdesivir. the doctor had indicated a normal course of treatment was five days, and most people came around. i did not, so they completed another five days, and after that i was still on oxygen. in fact, i was on oxygen the whole time i was there. they sent me home on oxygen. one of the things i noticed they had to do along with the steroids they treated me with, they had to give me insulin. it through my body out of whack like that. i do not know if it really did anything. host: did you have any side effects during that 10 day treatment plan? caller: no. it was just oxygen. just being treated for oxygen. the side effects were from the

steroids. my levels were going out of whack, and they had to treat me with insulin. host: how are you doing today? caller: i still have some residual breathing effects, but i also had a little bit of diminished passing even before i went in. host: let's hear from clarence as well, also someone who tested positive for covid, joining us from charlotte,. north carolina -- charlotte, north carolina. caller: i got it last year. i had pneumonia along with it. i was in the hospital for three weeks. i have been out of the hospital since then. i came out of the hospital with my lungs messed up.

i am still seeing a specialist today. i am still coughing from it. i still have aftereffects about six or seven months now. my breathing is not back. they took that out for about two months, and my breathing is still not back. i have been seeing a lung specialist for the last four months, and i am still not doing better. they have -- last week they took a bio sample of my lungs. i am still going through with this now. host: thanks for sharing your story with us and good luck to you. ed silverman, from both of those colors, what are you hearing -- callers, what are you hearing? guest: the first caller reminds me that each of us in our own

way is something of a laboratory. we are dealing with a new virus that we have not seen before that was being transmitted extremely rapidly and attacking so many different parts of the body, but with each person there could be different effects due to the virus. it became a huge scientific guessing game. as the first caller said, he was given remdesivir, two different treatment courses and apparently from what he indicated it did not help much. at the same time, it helps other people. you have to slice and dice. and say " well, it helped some other people, but what adverse effects were they having from the virus and it what extent did

it help?" one person with one harmful effect versus other people with yet other harmful effects caused by the virus. all of these mysteries popped up over the past year, year and a half, and we are in still -- we are still in some respects trying to sort out what happened and what is the best way to treat it. the second caller, i think unfortunately he hits home that this is a very deadly disease. i think there were a lot of people who did not take it seriously at first unfortunately. unfortunately, i think there still are some people who are not fully convinced for whatever reason. unless you know someone or you yourself end up in a hospital, live through it, get on c-span and talk about it, it is maybe

not that apparent, but it is not going to change just because someone else wants to look the other way. host: joining us from tennessee, you are on with ed silverman. good morning, brad. caller: i have a question -- personally, i take medications and my question is can y'all tell me what is in the covid-19 -- which of the covid-19 vaccinations if i wanted to take it would be safest with my medications? host: what kind of medications are you taking? caller: i take cholesterol medications for one thing. i do not want to go into it over

the phone but i'm am hesitant to take the vaccine because i have heard it can cause side effects. i want y'all's advice. host: i recognize you are not a physician, you are a reporter, but can you answer it? guest: i am not a physician, but if i were in your position, i would want to do two or three things. i would talk to the physician i am seeing, whether it is an internist or a specialist and say " here is my chart. let's make sure we are up to date. here is what medications i am taking. let's see if there is any research that indicates" -- and you can google certain things using keywords such as " cholesterol medication, covid vaccine" -- i have not done

that. i think that level of curiosity would behoove you, and i would encourage you to talk to whatever doctor you are seeing to see if they can find anything that pertains to your specific question. before i even get to the point of which vaccine might be best, you want to establish if there is a particular concern in general. each vaccine is different and different studies have been conducted for those vaccine. to what extent any of them show a harmful interaction with the use of a cholesterol medication, i do not know, but that kind of question you are asking, i would push your doctor or doctors to look into on your behalf. candidly, i know the internet is a bit of a guessing game sometimes whether it is medicine or law.

it is not an all or nothing situation. you should not necessarily believe everything you are researching, but i would not ignore it as a useful tool, as a starting point for conversation with your doctors. host: there is moderna, pfizer and the johnson & johnson vaccine. will there be a fourth? guest: in the united states? host: in the u.s.. guest: there could be. novavax is pursuing its vaccine. right now in the united states, we are heading a point where the fear is we will have sufficient supplies for two reasons. many have gotten vaccinated. but some will not get vaccinated. if you do that math and try to

project, " well, we have what we need." there are variants of the virus. we will hit the -- we are hitting the warmest part of the year. in october is when we see respiratory viruses emerge. between the emergence of cold weather and variants, it could change the picture a little bit and we therefore might see more cases take up, mort transition -- tick up, more transmission. it is never bad to have another authorization granted. host: we will conclude on that note, reminding our listeners and viewers that ed silverman right -- writes for staten news.

-- this is -- host: this is the headline from the associated press. here are the details courtesy of the ap. the house expected to vote this week on two bills aimed at preventing more attacks on the u.s. capitol with one seeking to establish a commission to find out what went wrong on january 6 in the other allocating $1.9 billion to address security problems revealed by the insurrection. the top democrat and republican on the home nancy early commission on friday unveiling their plan to form a commission after weeks of delicate negotiations host: again, the full story is available on the ap website and joining us with more is

christina marcos, who is covering the story for the hill newspaper and the hill.com. what's expected to happen this week? guest: one of the big things is this bill to create a commission to study the events of january 6 and what can be done to prevent another attack on the capital from happening again. it's a bipartisan bill that was unveiled on friday by the chairman of the house homeland security committee and its top republican. the main question going into this though is whether this will have widespread backing from republicans. the top republican on the home nancy early committee helped to negotiate the bill but it's not clear if he has the support of an kevin mccarthy. primarily because mccarthy has been advocating that such a commission be expanded to study other kinds of political violence in the last year, such as the protests last summer over

racial justice. because it's likely, because there is no such limitation, because there is no such mandate for the committee in this way and it's expected to focus solely on january 6, which would focus on the role of former president trump in those events, that is something that many republicans have indicated they are uncomfortable with. it's not yet clear whether most republicans will support this bill. host: the question we want to ask viewers and listeners is what will we learn from this january 6 commission. the phone lines are open. you can begin dialing. for democrats, (202) 748-8000. for republicans, (202) 748-8001. we also have a line for independents. we are talking to christina marcos. i want to get to your reporting as well. the headline, democrats moving to center three republicans for downplaying what happened on

january 6. friday you wrote that david cicilline on friday began asking democratic colleagues to sign on to a resolution to censure three house republicans who tried this week to minimize the severity of the insurrection. in a letter to house democrats host: explain. guest: so, cicilline says he's introducing this forthcoming resolution. we are likely expecting a lot of democrats to sign on to it. democrats have also previously introduced resolutions earlier this year after january 6 two censure mo brooks and louie gohmert for making false claims

of election fraud ahead of january 6 and on january 6. those resolutions haven't gone anywhere because democratic leadership has been wary of going as far as censuring. very few members have ever been censured. they are wary of taking this step in establishing this precedent. however, after a few weeks ago republicans forced something similar on maxine waters over the george floyd verdict. some democrats have warned that this could open the floodgates and it's clear that tensions are simmering over january 6, still and democrats are particularly outraged over last week's hearing, when we saw numerous republicans in minimizing the severity of january 6. host: we are talking about the january 6 commission and

christina marcos, who is joining us live on the phone. the question, what do you think we will learn in terms of what happened and who might have been behind what occurred in and around the capitol on january 6. from the sunday shows, fred upton, asked by the moderator whether or not he supports the commission and if so, what we would learn. [video clip] >> absolutely i support it. john katko has done a top job on the homeland security commission -- committee. he's a member of the problem solvers caucus and he has been working very hard the last number of weeks, five to six weeks on trying to craft a deal that really does make sense that will bring republican support to it. you will remember initially speaker pelosi said it was going to be a partisan commission, seven democrats, four

republicans, virtually all of us balked at that. the democrats have moved. i've spoken to steny hoyer and others. this is an equal commission with subpoena power. both sides have to agree to it, there has to be a majority vote for the end of the year. not going to be current, sitting members of congress. i think it will be fair, get a good number of votes and i hope kevin mccarthy supports it. host: that from congressman fred upton. the commission will be front and center this week, we are getting a jump on that with your calls and comments on what you think we will learn. christina, the last point the congressman brought up, one of the looming questions is the idea of whether or not this commission has the support of kevin mccarthy. guest: that's right and in recent weeks mccarthy in a variety of ways has been working

to make sure that he has aligned with former president trump and because not only will this shine a light on the actions of former president trump that day, we know that mccarthy was one of the people in direct contact with the then president that day. and he would likely have insight into the former president's state of mind that day, his priorities. the congressman was asked about the possibility that kevin mccarthy could be asked by the commission to answer some questions. that would also put the house minority leader in an uncomfortable position as well as he tries to align himself with trump ahead of the midterms. host: why is kevin mccarthy at least appearing reluctant to testify? guest: because he is trying to align himself with the former president and also remember, right after the attack on the capital he said that trump bears

some responsibility. but then he bet -- backed off of that in subsequent weeks, as he realigned himself with the former president. so, as he's trying to maintain this balancing act of trying to stay in the good graces of trump while also trying to reflect the facts of what happened on january 6, it will again put him in an uncomfortable place. he's trying to defend the former president while also complying with whatever the commission would ask of him. host: this tweet from steven green saying that the commission will be denied by trump and the republicans just like every factual study. you can continue to send your comments to us, @cspanwj. we will continue to take your calls, for democrats (202) 748-8000 and (202) 748-8001 four republicans. what do you think we will learn?

what else is on the agenda this week on capitol hill? guest: another major bill coming up related to the aftermath of january 6, the house is expected to take up a 1.9 billion dollars supplemental security bill to address security needs at the capital, including roughly 500 and 29 billion dollars in upgrading security at the capitol, hardening doors and windows so that, a junior a6 a lot of the riders crushed the windows with their bare hands. they are trying to do things like hard in the windows so that can't happen again and funding towards member securities back in their own districts. all sorts of other funding for protection and hardening the capital. that is something we are also expecting to see on the floor this week. host: christina marcos, her work is available at the hill.com and she covers congress.

thank you for being with us. guest: thanks for having me. host: donald, do you think we will learn anything new and if so, what? caller: i don't think we will learn anything new, it's focused on one day of the year and they have to look at what the aggravating factors are that led to the riot. we have to look at everything, everyone there, like maxine waters, bernie sanders. all of them that also led the riots on the day after the inauguration of donald trump. host: thank you for the call. at some of those scenes inside and outside the capitol on january 6 as they began to develop late in the morning and into the early evening hours. harrisburg, pennsylvania. patty is next. good morning. guest: i think that people have

to be more accountable for who they vote for and have to really just not take somebody's word for it. donald trump, you know, whatever it set -- she said, they thought it was true and didn't check it out. he did a tremendously hurtful thing to this country, the insurrection and some people don't seem to look at it that way. they are not informed. the people we send to congress are accountable to us but we are accountable to ourselves and others. host: thank you for the call. samuel is next. port arthur, texas. caller: calling in on january the sixth, trump is responsible for everything that happened. i don't understand what they are looking for. they want to know what happened? i can tell them what happened. trump incited everything that happened. he's responsible for everything

that happened on january the sixth. thank you for listening. host: we will go to janet, joining us from west virginia. caller: yes. they are so interested in who called. trump didn't burn down places. stoled everything they could, that was never accounted for. just because he said that if they came up there to do it in a peaceful way. i heard him say that. so but then like biden says that he's the one that caused people to come over the border. they just lie. i can't believe what's happening to our country. i'm just really worried about it. there's numerous things that the democrats are lying about. so. host: thanks for the call. president biden spent the weekend in delaware, arriving back at the white house after a short trip. this picture is from marine one

as the president and the first lady, jill biden, returned. the president will have remarks later today on the vaccination program. tomorrow he travels to dearborn, michigan, where he will tour the ford motor company electric car plant. wednesday the president will be traveling to the coast guard academy for the commencement ceremonies and friday at the white house the president will host the south korean leader. a busy week for the president at the white house and for congress . live coverage of the house here on c-span, the senate on c-span2 . bill in putnam, illinois. the january 6 commission, will be learn anything new and if so, what? caller: i'm in favor of a commission but i would be against any politicians or congressmen being on the commission. i believe it should all be private citizens, individuals who give a fair assessment of the whole situation.

they were talking about agencies to be interviewed. the primary agencies that should be interviewed are the four leaders, two from the house, two from the senate. you all know who i'm talking about. in my opinion, this was not an insurrection. everybody calls it and insurrection. i wish that would stop. look at the definition of insurrection. so far from it it's pathetic. anyhow, i believe the situation could have been resolved. these congressmen are sent to washington to represent the people. i've been in politics. anybody knocking on my door that severely is looking for answers. they should have been welcomed with open arms and at least four leaders stood up and answer

their questions, or their complaints. knowing that nothing would be done about it. instead of turning and running away from the situation, they should have tasted. talked to the people. undoubtedly a few there had to be taken control. but i think the vast majority of the people just wanted certain answers. one of the answers i would have wanted, everybody calls the election situation the big lie. let's not call it that either. nobody really knows. in my opinion, none of the courts even, even wanted to review the information. host: bill, we will leave it there.

just a few moments ago, the president returning from wilmington, delaware. these pictures from the south lawn of the white house. more details on the situation in israel this week, the headline from "the new york times," deadliest day yet in gaza as the bloodshed continues, including 58 palestinian children killed. more than 192 palestinians in the last week. this picture from "the new york times" shows a palestinian man whose wife and three children were also killed. 10 israelis and a child among the bloodshed last week. benjamin netanyahu vowed to use for force on hamas. back to your phone calls on this january 6 commission. congress taking up debate this week. patricia joins us from minneapolis. good morning. caller: just a couple of things. i hope we find out when the cop is going to be arrested for

shooting the unarmed female veteran. also, i would like to say it's refreshing to see stories that aren't 100% against and smearing the president. because it's biden. how come you came back? you were art it -- you were outed as a never trump or before the debates. i always knew that you were. you deny being biased, but we know you are. host: that was a tweet sent out on a piece from "the new york times," written by devon brooks, the headline was never trump. good morning, terry. dixon, illinois. caller: you know, talk about the big lie. trump started saying back in last year, before the election in may that this is going to be rigged and he carried that on

through the election and then he lost. then he just kept on stoking it. then we had january 6. i'm sorry, we know exactly what happened. the president incited the violence and insurrection and people can call it whatever they want. sure, they didn't have like weapons, but they had like spears that they were beating cops with. trump flogs that they were beating cops with. i'm sorry, we need to get to the bottom of this. the trump administration and mccarthy talked to each other and we need to get to the bottom. host: that was an issue that came up yesterday on fox news sunday. we will get the sound ready for you in a moment. the question was asked by chris wallace to liz cheney. texas, good morning, welcome to the program. caller: i just wanted to say

something about the insurrection. it's like hillary clinton said when she was running against trump. he was going to be vladimir putin's puppet, which she was. on the insurrection, he incited it. something else that his mother said about him. if he ever got into public office, it wasn't going to be nothing but chaos and that's all it's been ever since the guy was in there. that's all i have to say. trump, he's a crook. a hook and crook, that's all he is. host: thank you for the call. from the washington times, the cheney campaign putting political future at risk, insisting it's a battle for the soul of democracy. the earlier caller brought up the issue of the conversation that cap -- that kevin mccarthy may have had with president on january 6.

here's the exchange with s wallace from fox news sunday. [video clip] >> you also say kevin mccarthy should testify in a new commission to investigate the riot on january 6 and testify specifically about the conversation he had with the president on that day where he reportedly called the president and said you have got to call it off and the president said kevin, it appears some people are more interested in this election than you are. i asked congressman mccarthy about that a couple of weeks ago. take a look at the exchange. has the president ever reached out to you since report came out to discuss what you when he talked about in that phone call? did you say to him that i can't because we are under oath? >> no. that never happened. never even close. >> and if it did happen, you would agree that was witness tampering?

>> yeah, but it never happened. >> congresswoman, do you know anything about that, whether or not kevin mccarthy and donald trump talked in the president reached out to try to get their stories straight about what happened in that phone call? >> leader mccarthy has spoken to a number of people in large groups and small groups since the sixth about his exchanges with the president and he has spoken publicly about his view on the president's responsibility. he clearly has facts about that day and an investigation into what happened, into the president's actions, should get to the bottom of. i think he has important information that needs to be part of any investigation, whether it is the fbi, the department of justice, or the commission that i hope gets set up. host: regarding the commission,

this is the headline from nbc.com but leader mccarthy does have some concerns and the question is what do you think we will learn. samantha, new york, thank you for waiting, good morning. samantha, are you with us? we will try earnest, joining us from massachusetts. the democratic line, good morning. caller: i guess the name wasn't incorrect. but anyways. yes, what i would like to see is no politicians on the commission. ok? and another thing is that we have a lot of little people going to prison. some politicians should go to prison. i mean, they are the ones that were stoking up this insurrection. ok? we have to have that. this was only a start.

to get away with it now, something more serious is going to happen. also, one of the prominent leaders, i'm not going to say who, ok, a republican, said that some of the damage should be, remain inside the capital with some kinds of bronze plaque or something saying this was an event that happened with the date and this and that. we have to remember this. this is a part of history and something that is very serious and it isn't a political thing. this is an american united states thing and it has to be remembered. host: thank you for the call from massachusetts. john has this tweet pointing out that a high partisan commission cochaired by jimmy carter found that absentee balloting is the largest source of misinformation

and no matter what democrats work to destroy america. lee is joining us from pennsylvania. independent line, good morning. caller: what i would like to find out from the commission is what, who, which representatives gave the tours and if any of them were calling during the insurrection and telling the locations of any of the representatives. host: lee, thank you for the call. the role of president trump within the gop, the issue came up with larry hogan, who was mentioned as a potential gop candidate in 2024. here's that exchange. [video clip] >> do you agree with liz cheney that trump poses an ongoing threat to american democracy? >> i think he's toxic for the

republican and for the country and with i think we have got to find a way to get the republican party back to the party of lincoln and reagan and get back to the more traditional big tent party that can appeal to a majority of people, otherwise we simply won't have control, won't get the white house back or control of the house in the senate? >> how do you do that given that your entire party leadership in the house is on the side of the big lie? >> i know that folks talk about what's going on in the house with republican politics but the average person across america i don't think does and the folks in the house of representatives i think don't represent the views of all the people in the country. there are a lot of our public and governors that -- yeah, we don't want to alienate the republican base, but we have to tell them the truth and figure out a way to move on so that we can win elections. you have to have the base and

then you have to appeal to other people, like i did in the bluest state in the country by broadening the tent to win elections. host: that from larry hogan. steve has this tweet -- they didn't show up out of nowhere, they were blocks away where's -- where trump was storing them into a frenzy that the election was stolen, march to the capital and i'll be with you. morning, kansas city, democratic line. caller: hi, my question is that if we see this on tv and we see how they are attacked, attacked the capital, breaking windows, going into the office, what is it that needs to be investigated? it happened. we saw it. the police came on to tell their stories.

i just want to understand what is the commission for? host: thanks for the call. more of your calls, teresa, good morning to you. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. what i'm wondering, we all saw how they cheated on the democrats, kicked out people that were republican observers in elections and things like this. they, they keep telling us that we didn't see it. this causes a lot of pain for people. that's what causes all the mistrust of the government. that's what causes things like that. as far as january 6, the only people with weapons were the police and the capital. those people that came to the capital, there wasn't even one

done. the only murder that was committed was by the police of the unarmed veteran lady. that's the only murder. democrats keep telling us that there were five people that were murdered. they were not murdered. they died of natural causes. they keep lying to us and insulting our intelligence and it just makes everybody mistrust the government, mistrust of the media, mistrust everybody. it's just horrible what's going on. host: we will leave it there. ron, pennsylvania. you get the last word. congress is taking up the debate on funding for the capital, additional security members -- measures including this between the democrats and republican members. what do you think we will learn? caller: first of all, they have

to find out why president trump had a rally the same day that the electoral college was being counted. that was kind of absurd. first of all, another thing is this commission will be better than the warren commission that told everybody to deviate from anything else but the level status theory. the other thing is, the weapons, many of the people were there on crutches, using them as weapons. they used polls as weapons. one guy had a taser and used it on one of the policeman those were not weapons used in that riot and insurrection. i hope that they get down to it to find out why trump had a rally the same day as the electoral college account. thank you. host: as the debate continues, c-span will remain your source for the commission and a quick reminder that the senate is in session this afternoon.

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