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republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. a special line for members of law enforcement, (202) 748-8003. that's the same number you can text us on. include your name and where you are from. otherwise, catch up with us on social media. on twitter, it is @cspanwj, and on facebook, facebook.com/c-span. you can start calling in now. the lead negotiators on capitol hill for police reform, republican tim scott of south carolina, democrat karen bass of new jersey, democrat cory booker of new jersey. [video clip] >> we are making meaningful progress. i'm committed. we have to have a nation where we have to in what i think has been a more revealed anguish and

agony of many americans, not just these horrific videotapes that we see almost like a drum be in our country, but we live in the nation where generations have had to teach their children that their encounters with police could end in death and they are buttressed by the personal stories of african-americans. i don't know a black male in my circle who doesn't have stories of unfortunate encounters with police or humiliating ones, including the person negotiating on the others with me, tim scott, who engaged with me on the senate floor, detailing as a u.s. senator it is unfortunate encounters with police. we have a challenge before us and our work is to address that challenge. we are making good progress, hopeful progress, but we have a lot of work to do. host: cory booker saying a lot of work to do. some hope from the

administration to have that compromise bill by the first anniversary of george floyd's killing in minneapolis a year ago tomorrow. that deadline likely to pass without that compromise bill. the reporting from the washington times this morning that the issue of qualified immunity is stalling the police reform negotiations now. they write senate talks remained deadlocked over democrats demand that police officers lose qualified immunity, which shields officers from being sued for their actions in the line of duty. it is the biggest sticking point that the stalled house passed george floyd justice in policing act had when it reached the upper chamber in march. the act is the negotiating position the democrats started from. it has the house march 3 by a vote of 220-212, mostly a partyline vote. some of the provisions in that

legislation prohibits racial profiling by law enforcement, banned chokehold's and no-knock warrants -- enforcement, bans chokeholds and no-knock warrants, requires police to wear body cameras, limits transfer of military equipment, and qualified immunity -- equipment, ends qualified immunity, makes it easier to prosecute offending officers and collects data on police misconduct and use of force. what do you think this compromise bill should include? democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independent, (202) 748-8002. law enforcement, (202) 748-8003.

as the country awaits a federal bill on police reform, individual states over the past year have taken action on their own. that same washington times article outlining some of the actions that have happened on the state and local level pointing to a third way think tank analysis of what's happened over the past year. colorado became the first state to eliminate qualified immunity for police officers. it set at $25,000 limit on what officers would have to pay with their departments picking up the rest. new mexico followed by repealing it out right april 7. -- the most tight restrictions were around use of force. 10 states banned chokeholds.

nine other states increased training. nine states have increased standards for accrediting officers. nine have created independent bodies to investigate police to conduct. but as of the changes in individual states -- those are some of the changes in individual states. what must the compromise bill include in your mind? tommy is first out of malden, massachusetts, an independent. good morning. caller: you and pedro are the best. you don't know where they stand in politics. i think the police reform bill should be tabled and we should have a criminal reform bill where, if you resist arrest, you get a year in jail, or soul and officer. -- jail, or assault an officer.

the police to a great job. this thing about them hunting down and shooting black men is a myth. if all these people who have been shot over the past few years, if they didn't resist arrest, would be alive today. host: that's tommy in massachusetts. phillippa is in indiana, a democrat, good morning. caller: i would like to add to the police force. we are not a compassionate nation like we used to be. more compassion and understanding would make a big difference. host: how do you do that? is there any legislative way of adding compassion? caller: i don't think you can do it. it comes from the heart. i don't think you can teach people compassion. you have to learn it on your own.

host: that's phyllis in hammond, indiana this morning. we continue to take your phone calls. won't want to know what you think it be included in a -- we want to know what you think must be included in a police reform compromise bill. this debate not only happening behind closed doors between these key negotiators, tim scott, karen bass and cory booker, but happening often on the floor of the house and the senate. here's one of those members of congress, john joyce, republican from the 13th district of pennsylvania, talking about this recently during some of the open debate on the house floor. this is congressman joyce. [video clip] >> instead of talking about defunding the police, we should be working to better train and equip law-enforcement officers to do the job we have entrusted them to do.

as we move forward, the american people know that republicans are leading common sense bipartisan solutions for over a year. senator tim scott and congressman pete stauber have led our efforts to improve transparency, accountability and training rather than defund or dismantle the police. the justest act -- the justice act will give bipartisan reforms. i was proud to sponsor that. i encourage my colleagues on all sides of the political spectrum to join a i common sense approach. democrats say they want to work together on police reform. now is their chance. getting this right today is critical for the future of policing. we cannot allow the radical left to erode trust in the justice

system and degrade the good name of public servants for the sake of their own agenda. right now, our own law enforcement community is facing unprecedented attacks every day. the left threatens to abandon these heroes who protect us. chief camacho leads an exemplary police force in franklin county, pennsylvania. he and the vast majority of the law enforcement community go above and beyond to protect our communities. we must never turn our backs on the police. we must never defund the police. host: congressman john joyce from back on may 12. the house is now on a district work period recess until memorial day. continuing work on nominations and legislation in the senate. at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, president biden is

expected to visit fema headquarters in washington, d.c. to get a briefing on the atlantic hurricane season outlook. that's what's happening in washington today. this morning, simply asking you what should police reform look like? what should be included in any bill that you could eventually support on police reform? steve, fort pierce, florida, independent, good morning. caller: morning. glad to speak with you. i look at it differently because society has really changed. i mean, we are getting more and more violent and hedonistic in our society and culture and the police department is only a reflection, sometimes, of those ways of life, and what's happening is this dissent in our

societies -- this sin in our societies. i wish there was a way we could make people trust the police, but police have the same our society. i have many friends who are police and firefighters. firefighters go into fires now to put fires out. they have to worry about being shot. host: i don't know if the washington post did this on purpose, but here is their digest news brief wrap up. it is on page two of today's washington post. five headlines back to back. from ohio, three dead, three wounded in youngstown shooting. from new jersey, 12 to. -- jersey, 12 dead. a girl fatally shot at a concert. atlanta shooting leaves three dead. dr. frank: five wounded -- five

wounded in columbus. what does that tell you about america right now? caller: we have devalued life and we have devalued individual responsibility to individual entertainment and being happy and when you take away the responsibility from people, they need to be happy. look at the gateses. they are getting a divorce. people we hold in high esteem have characters that are not acceptable. all of our heroes. i mean, you go from black lives matter, the things that have happened, and you go to, say, demonstrations on the right, where you have all this stuff about individuals collectively saying we need to have you give

me something for free instead of earn it. then you have a society that's never happy. and that's the whole thing. and of politicians play this game -- and the politicians play this game. everyone of these politicians you see use victimhood. everyone is a victim. host: that same question we asked about compassion. can you legislate happiness? caller: it used to be said you cannot legislate morality, you know? and if you cannot legislate morality, then everybody's morals are up to individuals. there are no definite -- and a computer cannot work -- if there are no numbers. in our society, there are no definites. host: steve out of florida.

as he mentioned, black lives matter. i was just going to the front page of usa today. the main picture on the front page, a large headline, blm activists clash over money and clout. some ask whether people are being left behind as the organization moves ahead. paul in milwaukee, wisconsin, a democrat, go ahead. caller: i believe the police should be drug tested on a regular basis, before work, after work, and as a matter of fact, not just them. one of the problems as they are intoxicated. a lot of them their families are scared of them and whatnot. they do a lot of lying. if you were a truck driver or a bus driver, you would be drug tested if somebody hate you -- if somebody hit you, so i think

they should be drug tested by somebody outside. that would slow a lot of this stuff now because they come in and makes -- and make things works and shoot unarmed people. if you have cowards on the police force. a lot of times, i have seen police escalate things. host: that's paul. we are asking what you think should be included in a police reform compromise bill being worked on behind closed doors right now. waiting to see when they can come up with some sort of compromise legislation. if you are behind doors with them, what would you include? this is a caller out of decatur, georgia, an independent. good morning. caller: one thing i like in the bill -- we have to understand the good policemen are being held hostage by the bad.

we have to free the good policemen to tell the truth. we need to take profit out of crime. the new york police department, $6 billion budget. chicago police department, almost $2 billion budget. los angeles police department, almost a $2 billion budget. atlanta, almost a billion dollars budget. crime pays and we have to take the profit out of crime. crime pays in america and it is a business. crime is a business. drugs make money. we have to free the good policemen because they are being held hostage. thank you. host: want to keep having you calling in on this topic. let us know what you think a police reform bill should include. we mentioned president biden is getting a briefing today on the

atlantic hurricane season for a look ahead -- season. for a look ahead at the rest of the week for the white house, we turn to ariel parker, bloomberg news reporter joining us via zoom. good morning. we hear that president biden will mark the anniversary of the death of george floyd in some manner. anymore reporting details coming out? guest: our sources tell us president biden will host george floyd's family. we have seen him quite vocal about the issue over the past year. he will be hosting the family at the white house tomorrow. the white house will also be releasing further details about what that entails later today. host: the white house getting questions last week about meeting this deadline for a compromise bill. president biden said he wanted to have, whether it was the george floyd justice in policing act or some sort of police reform legislation, together by

the anniversary of george floyd's death. likely to get more questions about it this week? guest: absolutely. it looks like the deadline will slip. as he mentioned it, he said the may 25 deadline -- as you mentioned it, he set the may 25 deadline for the policing bill. it looks like that will not happen. we know that he spoke with senator booker on friday. senator booker has been working with senator scott of south carolina to move the legislation forward. the white house is saying president biden has been engaged and getting regular updates. they are still optimistic something can be done. they will miss the deadline. host: you mentioned president biden talking to cory booker and tim scott, the leads in this negotiation, along with karen bass in the house. has the president engaged scott

directly at all? do we know if that's happened? guest: we have not had any reporting to show that he has spoken to tim scott. the president has a very close relationship with senator booker and karen bass, but we don't have any reporting that suggests he's spoken to him. we know the white house has ruled out any conversation between the two. host: on thursday, remarks on the economy is on president biden schedule. where and what specifically? guest: the president will be traveling to cleveland. it is another stop. he has been hitting these blue-collar states. i have been traveling, for example, to detroit with the president. the president is hitting some of these traditional blue-collar cities to sell this infrastructure plan that he is trying to get through congress. he is having a tough time getting it through negotiation,

which are strained to say the least. the republicans think they are far apart. the president came down on his price tag friday, but the strategy is for him to take this message to the everyday citizen on the road. host: and then on friday, the president's fiscal year 2022 budget is being released. what are the key storylines you will be looking for in that document? guest: yeah. we will be looking for insight into the white house's thinking on where their priorities are in terms of spending. we will be looking to see where the white house is looking to dial up spending to get a sense of where his priorities are. we will be eager to see, get further insight into where he has his priorities. host: did we leave anything out?

what else are you watching for on your beat this week? guest: mainly we are watching to see if the white house can have development in terms of passing the george floyd legislation and whether or not -- this is a crucial week, democrats and republicans say, in terms of negotiations for this infrastructure bill, one of the sea trial -- one of the central features of bidens early presidency. host: mario parker is on twitter. you can see his work at bloomberg.com. white house reporter with bloomberg. appreciate your time this morning. bacteria phone calls as we discuss -- back to your phone calls as we discussed what you would like to see in any police reform compromise bill. stephen in indiana, democrat, you are next. caller: let me say this. i don't think a police officer should ever pull their gun to

shoot anyone unless internet attempt to protect their life or the life of others -- anyone unless in an attempt to protect their life or the life of others. your first caller said a police officer wouldn't be shooting individuals if they wouldn't resist. maybe i could agree with him a little bit on that, but i disagree with the fact that the only person they are shooting when they are resistant is blacks. they are not shooting whites when they are resistant. they are only shooting blacks. host: we have a lot of states that have taken up the issue of training and use of force. is that what you would push for the most in the compromise bill, some sort of federal training standard? caller: no. of training is leaving things the way they are.

you cannot train racism out of a person. that's what's going on anger. training? they have been training police officers throughout history and we still get the same thing. host: when eliminating qualified immunity, allowing -- what eliminating qualified immunity, allowing individual officers to be sued and of her to seek damages, help? with that provide more accountability? that's what proponents of that say. caller: it would make them think before they pull a gun and shoot someone. host: that's stephen in indiana. this is dug out of key largo, florida, a republican. doug, hope you are having a nice morning in key largo. caller: good morning. that last gentleman said only blacks are shot, playing the race card, keeping the people

upset about something that is not true. it is not only 1 -- host: not only one what? caller: not only one race being shot. i think charges for people resisting should be increased and all these people during the riots, whatever you want to do it -- whatever you want to call it, the people agitating, throwing rocks and bottles, those fines should be increased and use the media, tv, film and everything to collect information to have those people serve their just reward. thank you. host: doug in florida. this is dale in riverdale, maryland, democrat. good morning. caller: i have basically a wish list. to begin with, police work is so

toxic. the occupational hazard of police becoming jaded is a real problem. i would suggest first to change our system to have a public service draft of people to be in the police department thereby keeping them somewhat fresh. you could have a combination of permanent and temporary. put term limits on that. consolidation of police forces state-by-state. having all these really small departments makes -- for a little fiefdom. you just have continuity across the line. and higher pay. you pay them like professionals, they act like professionals. host: can i ask you a couple questions about that? on term limits, have you heard the idea?

how long do you think a police officer should serve? caller: well, myself, i served in the military. i got drafted, but i did three years and that gave me a taste of what the military is about. i contributed, got a metal and everything -- got a medal and everything, but it can vary. there should be an outer limit of maybe five to 10 years because it is like working with radiation. it just builds up and builds up and i feel the police officers just cannot handle this stress. think about what they do. they deal with people who have attitudes. that's got to get with you. like i say, if you bring fresh people in, good things. maybe you would have to have a corps, a cadre of people who

carry the experience, but officers riding around in cars, telling people to turn their music. -- their music down, there's no need they be veterans. host: you mentioned that each state has their own department so there's not these individual departments. does that possibly hurt the idea of community policing, of a police officer working a beat, getting to know not only the good guys but the bad guys in the community, to have a sense, an awareness, of their individual community? does it harm that idea in policing? caller: not to be rude, but i think that idea is somewhat of a fantasy. i have lived in my neighborhood almost 40 years. i meet police from time to time, but they are in their cars. they are driving by. in fact, no.

i don't think it would create a problem. you would still have people assigned it to areas, but they would just wear a state police uniform. there would be no difference. the uniformity and rules from the top of the state, just one set. right now, where i live, there have to be at least eight different police departments within a stone's throw. ridiculous. host: to take it to the extreme, why not have one set of standards federally? why not just have u.s. police officers and have them work in individual communities? with that not work? -- what that not work -- would that not work? caller: that's a good idea but governors would not allow it. host: parent of. thank you. jim in fort lauderdale, florida

is next. good morning. caller: good morning. the crazy thing about this publicity with the police departments, politicians are beginning to sound like an encounter with the police is like visiting the service counter at a supermarket. police are paid to enforce the law and they deserve respect and, as usual, the thing that would cause less problems, the opposite is being done. if the politicians would get behind the police and foster a culture of respect for the police when you are being encountered by the police, maybe we wouldn't have so many black people being killed. you know, they expect -- all this training with police officers, are they supposed to be turned into some unhuman,

unfeeling person who can be spit on, socked in the face? host: what would you say to the caller who said it is not just black americans who are being killed, but white americans as well? when you talk about a better respect for police, does that cut across all lines? caller: let me tell you what's going. black people will never be allowed to think that they are being treated equally. there's just too much political power and too much money involved in it and the biggest threat to these people is for black people to everything that they are being treated by the police equally or anybody else. it is just too much power. and that's really what's going on. host: power by who, jim? caller: the politicians.

black lives matter, elaine waters. these people are threatened by black people being happy. they cannot be happy. host: that's jim in fort lauderdale, florida. this is joy, and independent. good morning. caller: it is people like that. i am married to a cook county corrections officer. before i was married, i will give you a fact. i was raped by a police officer. i am not going to mention the city. it was in illinois. it was in 2003 and i was impregnated by him, ok? this has nothing to do with how violent the world is getting. what this has to do with is about the psyche and the methodology of a police officer

and of policing. that's what it has to do with. no matter how violent the world is getting, what we are talking about is the psyche of a police officer and how the change -- and how to change the psyche of a police officer. they are supposed to greet people the weight someone at a corner grocery -- people the way someone at a corner grocery wood in an altercation. the sky was black. it has to do with the psyche. as far as the black and white things -- thing goes, i hear a lot of white men calling. i try hard not to be prejudiced. it is a battle because when my husband leaves every night, i get so scared, even if he is an officer, but the thing about it is, it is not a white male issue. the psychology of the man who

just call before let you know that. african-americans are terrified by police officers. it has to do with the psyche of that police officer. we are not asking for reform because we know this is a violent society we live in. we are asking who are these police officers? and they are not your everyday joe were people going out to enforce the law -- joe or people going out to enforce the law? the majority are wonderful people, but you have to understand that there are some out there who think they are in power, that if you don't submit to them when you ask a question, then they have the right to kill you. host: joyce, he comes down to what can be done -- joyce, it comes down to what can be done? how do you change the issue, fix that? caller: there needs to be a

psychological profile. the second thing is they need to be taught the history, the true history of policing, where it came from, why it was founded. they need to know that. almost like a clockwork orange for police officers. i hate to say that. they need to know, these police officers, individually, they need to be vetted and have the education. host: you are talking about psychological testing for police officers. someone on twitter putting for these suggestions -- yearly psychological testing, removal of tensions, and d unionization -- and deunionization. this is another account -- qualified immunity is similar to the exemption gun manufacturers receive.

eliminate both and watch how quickly gun laws and police behavior change. some of the comments on social media this morning. we have been talking about some of the negotiations happening behind closed doors. tim scott leading it up on the republican side, cory booker and karen bass on the democratic side. people trying to peer behind the doors to get a sense of what is happening in those negotiations. this is from a cnn story yesterday. the key negotiators have reached a tentative agreement on federal standards for no-knock warrants and banned chokeholds and placing limits on equipment the police department -- the federal government can send to police departments. there is -- the two sides are still trying to solve differences in the areas of qualified immunity and democrats

desire for changes to section 242, which sets standards for criminally prosecuting police officers. that cnn. from politico -- lawmakers already -- the anniversary of george floyd's murder. the president will be hosting george floyd's family at the white house. while lawmakers appear to have made some headway on some issues, including finding some middle ground regarding qualified immunity, nothing is agreed to until everything is, and from what we are hearing, that's unlikely to be this week. that's from politico's playbook this morning. brittany in d.c., democrat, you are up next. what would you like to see come out of the negotiations? caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i 100% agree about the

psychological testing and just doing things the right way. my husband is an mpd, a washington, d.c. police officer, and went into policing because he cares about community and service, but when you are going through -- and he applied to many departments -- and in some departments, he didn't get through based on a lie detector test or, you know, some aspect of that really rigorous application that they go through, but there are other people who, you know -- and it took a long time -- but other people who do get through on some aspects of the application process absolutely are going into policing for the wrong reason, to end up with macho cars and attitudes to manage, that really aren't -- attitudes

to match, there really aren't thinking about the community. maybe a good example of whether rest of the country should be doing, d.c. police have body cams that have to be on when there's any interaction. they have -- a lot of diversity. they watch a lot of things about the history of police and things that have happened between the immunity to re-that feeling -- the community to create that feeling. police departments need to be doing these things. host: do you think those body cams should be mandated for every police department? are those a good thing? caller: having a husband who is a police officer, he sees it as a good thing because then, whatever happens in any regard it almost -- to protect everybody because it shows what was happening in the intention.

i know that's what's he's looked for when he sees some things on the news or different things that have happened across the country, but i don't agree with the comment made earlier about a one-size-fits-all policing. policing is about communities. every community is different. so i think there should be some across-the-board standard. the way every community has interacted with it should be at that level. host: one question as it relates to your family, your feelings, your husband's feeling. this issue of eliminating qualified immunity, enabling police officers to be sued in civil court for damages. do you think qualified immunity should be eliminated? caller: i don't -- i feel a little bit torrent about that -- bit torn about that.

because i feel that people should be held accountable and if the city will not prosecute somebody, you know, there could be an avenue there, but the reason i am torn is because i had a good friend growing up whose husband was a police officer, was in a situation that did not have a good outcome for the citizen. severely collide -- the city declined to prosecute. the family went after him. all that litigation and everything that was going on, regardless of the mental strain -- when a police officer has a negative interaction with a citizen, it is difficult on the police officer. that's not the outcome they want or the interaction they want to have. he ended up committing suicide because of the stress and strain that got brought on by a civil action lawsuit being brought on one person. i work in medicine and there are

protections for doctors and providers and things like that when something happens. you are held accountable, but i think it has to be done in the right way, because it really can have some devastating consequences for police officers and their family. host: thanks to you for working in medicine and in policing. tweets. bobby writes that police need to be trained to respect life. they should not have to complete interest to the extent of killing or harming a civilian. jimmy gaskin with this tweet on the idea of eliminating no not lawrence -- eliminating no-knock warrants, saying it would cause the streets to be overrun with drugs. cholera, good morning. caller: --the key is qualified immunity.

you have to get rid of qualified immunity. the abuse of brown people in america is in the culture of the police department. it is part of the culture. you look at the video of the cops in louisiana who abuse that person. they dragged him shackled. there are white supremacists in the police department and they know they have covered with qualified immunity, so once you take that away, they have to account for themselves. it is in the culture. it is not the training, not psychological tests. it is in the culture. get rid of that qualified immunity and then you will see things change. "washington journal," -- host: that's clearance in d.c. -- clarence in d.c.

in the newspaper -- "it is not a few bad apples. it is the whole tree shading the truth." that's charles below's column in the new york times today. call her? -- caller? caller: the minnesota man, daunte wright, in dayton, ohio, police chasing criminals that have ran into the back of cars, the side of cars. they've killed people. this lady in minnesota should be off furry. we should go to the supreme court and say a car is a deadly weapon. host: bring us to the

negotiation of police reform. what should and shouldn't be included? caller: that's part of it. i mean, this one memo go in front of a court, in front of a jury, and all she did was try to do something. a black man got in his car, which is a deadly weapon. my point is this happened in troy, ohio recently. this young black man ran a red light and killed a white woman and the baby did -- and a baby dead. before that, someone got in a cop car, took off, police chased him. herein into the back of a van and killed three children. we cannot allow people to jump in. quit resisting arrest. host:, in dayton.

this is allie in virginia. good morning. caller: i think that police officers be trained to de-escalate situations. i will give you an example it. can you hear me? host: yes, sir. caller: i am a 63-year-old man and my wife was getting a ride from her friend in hawaii so i was waiting in the neighborhood and i am a black man. somebody called the police. the police came in. all he said was what the hell are you doing here? you are not supposed to be here. i was like, why should i not be here? he was telling me, if i do not move my car, he will tear me out of my car. i said, ok, my wife is coming out now. let me go. he felt so bad. i told him you need to get more

training. because i am a citizen. i am paying taxes. you should not disrespect me. this guy was, like, 25 years of age. i do not think he should stand and talk to me like that because he has a gun and a badge. i think de-escalation should be taught to police. thank you, sir. host: that's ali out of virginia this morning. a couple more tweets from you, our viewers, and from members of congress writing about some of the ideas they want in a police reform compromise bill. ellen holmes norton, delegate for the district of columbia, writing last week that the police officers with federal and local police have asserted throughout d.c. -- and local police powers throughout d.c. will wear body cameras.

that's the body camera bill that was included as part of the george floyd justice in policing act. officially, the name, the federal police accountability act. that was the legislation included as part of the george floyd act and has now been passed in the house back in march, awaiting action in the senate. that bill will continue to await action as these negotiations on a compromise bill continue. that's what we are waiting to see, asking him about this morning -- you about this morning. sandra, independence in missouri, what do you think should be included in a police reform bill? caller: good morning, john. i think definitely psychological evaluations should be done on each police officer for the good of the community and for the good of the police officer. that should be done yearly if not every six months, a

psychological evaluation. also, i think trading -- training, better training, inclusive of assimilative exercises and watching videos of a crime that happened where maybe a black person was killed, and then just switch the races and maybe the genders of the people. and for example, switch the races. if george floyd were white and a woman and the officer, derek chauvin, was black and a man, just see how that would play out in the minds of the police officers. two more things. body cams mandated. finally, qualified immunity should be reformed. maybe the police officer can be sued with a limited amount and the city picks up the rest, but if qualified immunity stays in place, i think that a few community members should be

involved in the meetings when the police negotiate with the unions about their contracts. i think they shouldn't be done in secrecy. i heard on npr one morning, getting ready for work a couple years ago, that the st. louis city police were about to negotiate their contract with the union and that this is done in secret with no public involvement, no input from the public, and i think that's not right, but thank you, john. host: sandra, to your idea of compromise on reforming call of -- on reforming qualified immunity, we talked about this earlier, but that's what colorado did last year, eliminating it but setting a $25,000 limit on what the officer would have to pay, with

the department picking up the rest if the ruling went against the officer. these reforms happening in states across the country. talking about a big federal bill. here's what christie says it should be in it. "education requirements and accountability for job performance." andrew says "use stop and frisk." this is fred jessup -- fred in jessup, maryland. good morning. caller: there are two sides of the story. the police are doing their best with what they have to deal with. the other part is most of the inner cities, black violence is rampant. that is the issue. police are having to deal with all this and coming out and looking at it from different perspectives. when the time comes to apprehend somebody, it starts with yes,

sir and no, ma'am. i was taught that. the black leaders need to step up and do the basics of leading the way and showing everyone how to conduct themselves because blaming white people all the time isn't working. host: that's fred and marilyn. this is stephen illinois -- this is steve in illinois, an independent peer good morning. caller: congress wents -- wants $1 billion to protect them but to collect -- cut the police force in our neighborhoods. there were 108 shootings these last four months on police officers, either killed or shot at, so that's what i have to say. who wants to be a police officer in chicago? host: to your first point, you are referring the bill that was passed last week in the house,

that funding bill to better protect the united states capitol and reimburse the national guard and police organizations that responded to the january 6 insurrection. that bill passed the house on a tight margin, mostly on a partyline vote. this is congressman buck, republican from ohio, echoing what you said. democrats are fine with funding the police when it comes to protecting themselves but went to defund the police who protect their citizens. and bill pascrell, democrats from new jersey, with a different take on the outcome of that vote, saying every house republican voted against funding u.s. capitol law enforcement after riders ransacked -- after riders ransacked the capital and killed and named police. -- and maimed police. good morning. caller: i keep hearing this word respect.

at the same time, i see police officers provoke and antagonize people. they pull people over and were yelling and screaming at them. respect goes for both sides. another thing i don't like, they say shut up. your not supposed to talk? come on. give me a break. host: now max, oklahoma, a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. my comment is about the qualified immunity. this is a buzzword. people need to look at the term sovereign immunity. if you get rid of qualified immunity, you have to get rid of executive qualified immunity, the idea that the state has any

control over the individual period. look up sovereign immunity, the idea of having immunity by the state, the ability to make laws and rule people. cops are executing the law. if you don't like the laws, you have to get rid of the politicians. we are cops, everybody. we can drop what we are doing and be cops. cops are annoying until we need them. of course you don't want to be encountered by a cop until you need them, until you need to call them. they don't come around unless you call them. host: that's max in oklahoma. this is david out of los angeles, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i followed this because this is one of the things i would like to put out to you will, which is national and i think even international. how long does the system think that they have that black people from here to maine will

continuously adhere to it? and at some point, as the stuff persists -- and what is this stuff? white policemen, as one of your texters wrote in, policing black bodies. and there is a history. now, there will come a point, and if the politicians don't get ahead of it, all this superfluous stuff about qualified immunity and how we are going to do policing, at some point, the black community will say enough is enough. host: getting ahead of this as you describe it, what would you like to see in the negotiation between tim scott, cory booker and karen bass it? what helps? caller: what i am suggesting to you is that this problem is

obviously systemic and rotten to the core. it has been and it is to this day and this is being revealed to us on a daily basis, so i am suggesting to you what's going on with scott and these crazy little kids legislating around the periphery, if we don't have the kind of wisdom in the congress to just get a sense that, at some point, a people's oppression will react to the oppressor, and that will not be pretty. host: that's david in los angeles. alexis in north carolina, independent, good morning. caller: thank you. it is systemic. i am not sure what to say to tim scott. i wish i knew. i wish i knew what to say to

marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz, but -- host: if it is systemic -- caller: excuse me. sorry. it goes all the way up. the doj, william barr, he stopped investigations that should have gone forward. it goes all the way up, so people that are in the nra want to support this immunity because they have a dog in the fight. prisons have a dog in the fight. money, money, money. and if we don't get some truth around legislating, nothing will happen. host: is the answer to abolish police departments or defund police departments if this is a systemic problem, as you say? caller: first of all, it needs

to be redistributed for sure. and i'm sorry. i support the police with what they have to do every day because most of their encounters are to cast up the tree. somebody with alcohol on their breath, somebody with mental health problems, and nobody knows, but it does affect the police officers. what kind of culture is it to support that part of the psyche somebody called in about? if there's no support for it, or if they are being oppressed to comply within that culture, there no support for them. host: that's alexis. our last caller in this section of the washington journal. more to talk about this morning,

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for a spotlight on 2022, we are joined by nathan gonzales. publisher of the race reading group inside elections at elections analyst with roll call newspaper. one of your more recent pieces, the headline, "republicans should disband if they do not win back the house in 2022." guest: we are going big on a monday morning. let's start off with the math. republicans are very close to getting house majority. they need a net gain of five seats. when you look at key factors, they are well-positioned at this stage. looking back at history, the president part party has lost an average of 30 seats in the last 25 midterm elections. republicans just need five. when you add the extra layer of redistricting, every state

except for the six at-large states will redraw lines, republicans are drawing more districts than democrats. they are in control of more states, and they could gain more seats from redistricting alone. five seats, republicans have a lot of room for error. i think that is why they are not only confident they will win the majority, but it impacts how they legislate over the next year and a half because i do not think they feel the need to compromise or give in because they can smell the majority. if we just hold the line, we will have more power. host: you mentioned a 30 seat loss for the president part party. when was the last time a president's party did well in the midterm and why? guest: the last two recent instances where they didn't lose

were 1998 and 2002. 2002, george w. bush, mainly there was a rally around the flag effect from september 11. that helped republicans buck the midterm trend in the house. 1998, bill clinton, republicans overreached in their pursuit of impeaching president clinton and that was not popular with voters. those are the instances where -- i would say democrats, how could they buck the trend into -- the trend in 2022, we are coming out of a pandemic. hopefully our country is healthy economically, physically and socially. if voters have a sense that the country is headed in the right direction, that might take some

of the typical angst we see in midterms out of the equation. the reason midterm elections are often poor for the president is because if voters do not like the direction of the country, they can't vote against the president so they often take it out on candidates from his party. host: what is the early house line? are you making a prediction? guest: no. we do not have lines yet. we do not have actual congressional lines yet. redistricting has been delays due to delays in data from the census bureau and we do not have finalized the lines. we are not going to have them until later this year. the census bureau released a portion of the data, which states will gain or lose districts, but they have to drop the more grand role -- granule level data so they can actually draw the lines and that takes a while.

drawing lines, improving, court challenges, it is a whole process. i am more comfortable with looking at districts and candidates who are running before making those final early productions -- predictions. host: we don't have to worry about lines in the senate. take us through the senate battlefield. how many seats are in play? guest: the senate majority is in play. republicans need a net gain of 1-c. we have a 50-50 senate right now, we have identified eight battleground states right now. at this stage we are calling them battleground and later we will shift to a tossup category. each side looks like they have four vulnerable states. republicans, we are looking at the open seat in pennsylvania where pat toomey is not running fairly -- not running for reelection.

north carolina, richard burr not running. wisconsin, ron johnson has not decided, but that is going to be a battleground either way. florida, marco rubio. florida i would not call a swing state anymore. republicans have won key races, but it has always been close. when you flip to the other side and the democratic states, we are watching eurozone or, georgia, they just won special elections last cycle to fill the remainder of those terms. now this is for a full term. the last two states we are watching on the democratic side are nevada with catherine cortez masto and new hampshire with maggie hassan. that is a key state, not only because new hampshire goes with the national trend but we are waiting for chris sununu to

decide if he is going to run. that might be the premier senate race in the cycle. host: nathan gonzales, if any of those races strike your fancy give us a call. we will talk about it. we want to hear your questions or comments. it is an early spotlight on 2022, but never too early to talk the next relation. -- the next election. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independentw (202) 748-8002. you are talking about the republican senate committee on mark kelly in arizona to the tune of releasing an ad early in the cycle. this data -- this ad up recently. [video clip] >> markel he has learned to speak politician, washington politician on immigration.

>> it is a humanitarian crisis. >> the crisis on our southern border is a crisis mark kelly helped create. kelly voted to end border wall construction, and allow sanctuary cities. send stimulus checks to illegal immigrants. when joe biden ended the emergency cancellation on border security, mark kelly was silent. the border is a disaster, and what does mark kelly say? >> it is a humanitarian crisis. >> he says one thing in arizona and to opposite in washington. host: nathan gonzales on mark kelly, the immigration issue. what is the point of releasing an ad 500 days before election? host: to give your viewers a sneak peek, if you are watching a video like that, longer than

30 seconds, probably not an ad that is on television. it is probably a web video. i do not this -- i do not believe this had the normal disclaimer of who paid for it. that does not mean it is not irrelevant. that is telling us where republicans want to go. when he ran two years ago, he got to run as a political outsider of sorts and he did not have votes in either congress, senate, or state legislature that republicans could use against him. when we get to 2022, he is going to have a voting record and i think they are anxious to not only highlight votes that are out of step, but paint him as a politician and not an astronaut. that is a preview of what we are going to see. host: to be fair, to pay nash to

play ads from both sides -- to play ads from both sides, this is a go at endorsing -- [video clip] >> q is a patriot. >> marjorie taylor greene expressed support for executing members of congress. >> the only way you get your freedom back is with blood. >> get ready to boot marjorie taylor greene out of congress. she says she will tour the country, raising money with an alleged sex trafficker. the company you keep. if she has not going to do the job in congress, we know someone who will. someone who knows honor and service. -- endorses marcus flowers for congress. he knows the danger radical

extremism does to a country. he saw it in iraq and he is not going to let it take root here. join us in this fight. let's send a true patriot to congress. host: there's another one of those. guest: those are web videos, not ads. the first word that comes to mind is fundraising. we have to remember that con -- the context of taylor green's district. now, she sits in a northwest georgia district that former president trump received 75% of the vote. somebody who has been doing this for a while, democrats are very unlikely to win this race no matter what the circumstances are specific to her. her district could change a little bit, but in georgia, republicans are in charge of drawing the lines. she has not going to go from a

75% trump district to a 50%-50%. i think this is going to try to raise money for flowers. i am interested in how -- if democrats are going to try to elevate her status even more to raise money for districts and races over the country. in 2020 two, what happened in 2020, democrats defeated former president trump. the unifying mission of the democratic party was to defeat trump. he was driving turnout for democrats. now that he is no longer in the oval office and will not be on the ballot, they have to find someone to make sure that the democratic base is excited. congresswoman greene could get excited, i do -- she is not the

household name that former president trump is, and she could become that galvanizing factor democrats need to make sure they're turnout does not drop. host: you have been doing this as long as i have known you. guest: this is my third redistricting cycles, so 20 years. you are a veteran at this too. host: we asked to viewers to try to give nathan an election question. before we get to phone calls, we touched on the immigration issue. that ad touched on the january 6 insurrection. also, the supreme court taking up an abortion case in the supreme court cycle. is that likely to be an election issue? guest: it looks like it. it depends on specifically the mississippi case, i would say it depends on what the decision is.

that could impact things. the timing of it -- it will probably be in june, a lot can happen in that time. the polling on abortion has been fascinating because it depends on how you asked the question in terms of where the electorate is. i have found the electorate is more nuanced in their opinions in regards to abortion and choice dan what politicians say. this mississippi case, it is widely viewed that this is a threat to roe v. wade. gallup has been asking these questions, and if you asked americans whether they want to uphold roe v. wade, a majority have said yes. consistently. but, if you ask about the timing of when they are comfortable with people having access to abortion, in the first trimester voters will say yes, that is

legal, but the second and third trimesters, there are the less than a majority. the mississippi case i believe is 15 weeks would ban abortion with limited exceptions, so both sides, you can pick and choose what numbers you want to present your case. in the context of the midterms, this could also be key for republicans, turnout on the democratic side. republicans have shown that turnout can be a struggle when former president trump is not on the ballot. republicans did the whole trump coalition to turnout and maybe this is an issue to make sure conservatives are energized when he is not as prominent. host: this is greg in indianapolis. democrat, good morning. caller: yes. i notice you said that you have been doing this for 20 years.

so basically, your green? [laughter] guest: i've got plenty of wear on the tires to go. caller: i am interested to know if there has ever been this nasty -- if it has ever been this nasty in your your ears? -- in your years? i recall the george wallace era and stuff like that, but i do not recall it being one sided. just, so -- no bipartisanship at all. i would like to know what you think. the little bit that you do know. host: thanks. guest: i am looking forward to visiting family in indiana this summer. two things come to mind. we have had partisanship for the entirety of our country.

we have had disagreements, this is nothing new. we tend to forget some terrible times we have had sun what is happening right now but to me one thing that is different, one thing that strikes me right now that could have also happened in the past, not only do we not disagree with each other -- we can't agree with each other, each side does not view the other side as equals. the other side is some human -- subhuman. when you view the other side as so terribly, you see things -- i think the tone of the conversation and the arguments are different. you make choices that are different because you do not value the other side. not only do you value -- do you not value their opinions, you don't value them as a person and

that is a scary place. it is easy for us to blame politicians for the lack of bipartisanship, both from an electoral perspective i do not think voters are rewarding bipartisanship. usually when we see candidates or members on the hill who do compromise, they are often threatened or punished by voters of their own party, particularly in a primary, who say no, we want a real conservative or a real progressive. we can talk about who is to blame in this, but it is not just the politicians. we have a delighted, bitter congress that reflects who we are is the country. we can't just blame politicians. we've got to do soul-searching. host: is this going to be an active primary season? guest: i think it is delayed, particularly on the house side

because of a lack of districts. before they put their lives and jobs on hold, their families, put everything aside, i think they will want to know if they are going to run. we will see high-profile challenges to congresswoman cheney. she has more than a handful of people running against her. on the senate side, we are seeing a crowded primary in north carolina on the republican side. there will be a primary on the democrat side as well. florida democrats are going to have an interesting competitive primary between val demings and stephanie murphy. there are primaries developing, but the house calendar is delayed. those lines are not going to be done anytime soon. host: on the issues driving 2022 , this is rick in california. he says, defund the police and

crime will motivate the right to the polls. guest: there is going to be an aspect of that. rick has some foresight there. there was one special election we were watching in new mexico's first district. this is an albuquerque district, deb haaland was appointed to be secretary of the interior by president biden, so we are watching this special election. republicans nominees are trying to make ryan the focal point of the race. it is interesting because this is a democratic district. biden defeated trump by 23 points. we have a baseline metric where democrats have about a 17 point advantage. democrats have the advantage in this race, but we are looking at the margins.

are republicans able to move the conversation, move the electorate significantly with an issue like this? i expect republicans to be talking about crime and defunding the police because that is where the things helped them over perform in 2020. i do not think i was the only one who thought democrats could have expanded their majority, turns out republicans had a net in of 12 states. part of that is because of republicans using that message effectively. host: insideelections.com, plenty of free content, but subscriptions are available. nathan gonzalez, taking your phone calls and -- lake city, tennessee. republican. caller: these pollsters that call 1200 people and anybody in their right mind does not answer

a phone call from somebody they don't know, to tell all 350 million americans what we believe, i have never been asked about abortion. i am against it. especially this overturning biden has done enough trump stopping the use of aborted babies for experiments that they are doing. that is disgusting. it reminds me of nazi germany. george soros made the comment that they are in chaos. when you look at the cities where shootings have occurred, all controlled by democrats. our border is chaos. biden flew four plain fools -- airplane full of immigrants into chattanooga. host: i didn't hear about that. guest: her skepticism on polling, she's not the only one

who feels that way. there has been a level of soul-searching about the effectiveness of paul's, hand how we use polls that is healthy and we should be doing that. for years, we hear people like that calle, the goal is not to call everyone but to call people who are like each individual. with low response rates where fewer people are calling -- taking up the phone or answering an email, are they similar to their neighbor or their coworker? are we getting a good sample of the electorate, or are there things pollsters are going to wrestle with? host: you can pick up the phone and call asked. (202) 748-8000 free democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

independents, (202) 748-8002. we've got about half an hour left with nathan, what races do you want to talk about? we can even go into 2024. caller: i am puzzled how nathan has come to the conclusion that voters only come out when trump is on the ballot when he has only been on the ballot since 2016 and also the misinformation. the previous collar is believing a lot of things that are out there. why don't people investigate things further instead of just listening to a politician who is going to say practically anything? this is ridiculous. how do republicans get -- isn't there another way? guest: sure. one of the key elections that stands out was 2018 when president trump was not on the

ballot. he won in 2016, but 2018, democrats were more energized and turned out in greater numbers because they were shocked trump won and wanted to send a message. the full trump coalition, i don't think the full trump coalition came out in 2018 which is why democrats did so well in the house. republicans did ok on the senate but it was largely because of the states. the losses were not as bad as they could have. 2020, trump possibility to bring out all forms and all aspects of the party were key and that is why the race was closer than what many expected. republicans can win, and actually in 2022, we started the show by talking about how republicans are in good position to take the house, they are

close in the senate. i just do not know. we have wrestle completely with the fact that the trump coalition is not just republicans. there are parts of the trump coalition that do not like republicans just like they don't like democrats. they think mitch mcconnell land the republicans in washington are part of the swamp and that all democrats are corrupt. if trump is not on the ballot having them a reason to turn out, why would they vote for these republicans? it is possible for them to do that based on other issues that are important. i just do not think it is a guarantee. host: from trump to biden, there was criticism in 2010 of obama not doing more to help save house seats in the midterm. where does president biden appear to be? guest: president biden right now , the key thing he can do right

now is try to do a good job. try to keep his job approval rating, keep it in good shape so voters do not have anger, resentment toward this fattest -- or dissatisfaction. you are right, president obama and the democrat and -- the democrats went through this in 2008, obama won, 2010, he was not on the ballot in democratic turnout suffered. democrats got clobbered. 2014, republicans have a great cycle as the full obama coalition did not turn out in the same numbers. this is not a new dynamic to former president trump, this as something we have seen particularly when the party becomes primarily, or at the top , a following of a person rather than just a set of specific

issues or an ideology. host: we touched on that race in arizona, let's head to phoenix. this is linda, it democrat. caller: i was calling because he said that it was showing on the --? no, that ad was showing local in phoenix all the time. i was surprised to hear that other cities are not getting political ads. what is going on in arizona is really different. between everything they can to change the votes, they are back at it trying to figure out how to change the votes. they are shocked that arizona went democrat which did not shock the people who live here. it is definitely changing. [indiscernible]

anyway, that is my comment. guest: make you for bringing that up. there probably could be a version of it without the actual legal disclaimer, but you are there and we should listen to what you are saying. what is striking is arizona, you're right, states are changing and arizona is one of them. with the growth in the suburban areas, voters that have a college degree, which are -- which we are seeing increasingly , one of the key tellers is that voters with college degrees tend to vote democrat, those without vote republican. there are still republicans want to relitigate what happened and challenge the official certified

results. the republican governor and republican officials who helped oversee the process have been saying, this is what happened. but other republicans are trying to sow seeds of doubt and i do not know how productive that will be. it may be productive for republicans to keep the base energized by the voters in the middle are not excited to see this relitigation go forever. host: from that ad if we talked about to the other one, mlb on twitter saying both -- is one of the most effective groups i have seen for campaign ads supporting their candidate. who would you recommend to keep an eye on when it comes to outside groups spending on 2022? guest: everyone but you and me has a normal job.

my answer was going to be to try to get as many pieces as possible and not focus on any single group. i think campaigns are complex organisms. there's not any one issue or thing that is usually driving them. it is going to depend on the race or the district. that will be in districts where they have a candidate they feel they can endorse, but not in every district, so it will be an outside collection of figures. host: you think this is a normal job? guest: i do not think we are necessarily normal to most americans. caller: i would like to ask your guests about new york's 22nd congressional district. -- won after all long count, a

little over a hundred roads, defeating anthony brindisi. i am wondering if he had any insights into the upcoming election in 2022. guest: great question. one of the last districts to be called, to be finalized, congresswoman tenney who lost and came back, i think she was aided by former president trump's performance in the district. trump getting more districts -- more votes in that district. what we are watching in new york's redistricting. new york lost a district, but other viewers might not know that new york lost a district in apportionment. the redistricting process is convoluted. there is a coalition but essentially democrats in the legislature can basically do what they want.

we are watching to see what that looks like and how much the 22nd district changes and that will impact the congresswoman's reelection chances. one scenario is that further into western new york, the 23rd district with tom reed who announce he is not running, his district could then be dissolved into some neighboring districts. the 22nd could change as well and i would expect, unless republicans -- unless the political environment shifts against republicans for her district changes, i think congresswoman tenney will start the cycle as a favorite to win another term. host: you touched on the upcoming special election in new mexico to replace deb haaland. with all of these districts changing, what is the point of

playing in a special election before we eventually get to the actual election in november of 2022? guest: right now, both parties need every seat they can get. speaker pelosi can only afford a couple to a handful of defectors because the majority is so narrow. the benefit for republicans taking over a seat like this in right now only holding it for a year and a half is that they have one more vote to stop democrats from doing what they want to do. another point is that special elections can become larger than life. they can become rallying points. i can almost guarantee that if

republicans narrowly lose this race in a district biden one, they will be shouting from the hilltops that a tsunami is coming and try to use it to recruit other candidates and get them into districts that might look very democratic on paper but say, look how close we came here. get into this race over here. parties try to use special election outcomes to gain momentum for the broader battleground in the general election. guest: an interesting article. if you want to read more about redistricting cycles, rolecalled outcome. roberto in houston, texas. caller: i am truly independent. concerning hispanic voters, we don't vote as a block. i think i have a unifying issue

and that is, am i still on? ok. abortion. in texas, the state legislature has a six-week window in which a woman can abort because, this is what gets my attention, it is called a human heartbeat bill. if there is a human heartbeat at six-week, i am against abortion. your opinion please. guest: on -- just looking at the national polling, going back a little bit, at six weeks, a majority of americans believe that is within the window where they are comfortable with access to abortion. texas, those -- those are national numbers and those numbers can be different in texas. i have not seen polling specifically broken down that way with regard to texas.

some of this legislation, there are multiple motivations to it. it could be because republicans in particular believe this is something that has to be done. that this is a life issue. another motivation could be to try to get it to the supreme court to get as many cases like this to the supreme court in order to make -- so that the court with some newly appointed associate justices from former president trump to get a more favorable ruling with regard to roe v. wade so i think there are multiple motivations. hispanic voters do not vote as a block. one of the reasons why former president trump did better in 2020 than expectations is because he did better with hispanic voters. part of it, also texas. what i am watching specifically is how much of that growth with hispanic voters was specific to

trump, or was it to the party in general? this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, once trump is not on the ballot, can republicans maintain those numbers with hispanic voters in 2020? can they keep that momentum? we are not going to know until we get closer to the election. host: how many people does it take to keep an eye on every house and senate race? guest: we are a lean, mean fighting machine. my colleague, who i am sure will be on washington journal in the future, and other contributors. follow jacob re-tasking on twitter. also bradley washer, particularly on election night crunching data for us. they are going to be taking our

jobs before too long. host: [laughter] ed is in houston, texas. democrat. good morning. caller:. -- caller: from san antonio to el paso, that has been competitive for 20 years. i know a republican was elected, and solace? is he -- gonzales? who are the democrats putting up? guest: we have yet to see. we are waiting to see what republicans do with the districts in texas. it's one of the four key states we are watching where republicans are in charge and we will see what that district ends up looking like.

i expect it to be competitive. it has been one of the most competitive districts for 10 years running now, but we have to wait and see what the field looks like. also, the factor with hispanic voters, was it something specifically trump was able to do, or can republicans to it? or, can democrats gain ground back there lost in 2020? host: this is kathleen, independent. caller: the reason i am calling is i heard that gentlemen say how republicans and democrats, everybody is subhuman. that is true. one suggestion, i watch cnn and fox and i read papers and outlook all over the place so i could get to some truth. you cannot sit there and watch

one channel and hear everything because i have watched cnn and fox and i thought i was watching -- i thought i was in two different countries. voters have an obligation to get -- i do not know if you agree. guest: yes, yes. [laughter] i agree with you to the extent that people, in the course and rhythm of their jobs and families, to diversify your information intake i think is valuable. i agree with you that if you only watch one channel or another you are going to get just an entirely different view of america. i know that seems -- but it is striking. it is not just have some bd outlets cover issues, it is that they cover different issues and

focus on different parts of what is going on in the country. i would take that 26 seconds or however long you summarize that and encourage people that if you can diversify where you get your information, that will help. host: fox news headline, "haley headed to iowa in june, sparking 2024 speculations." should we talk about a gop primary? guest: we can. the first question is whether former president trump is running. i think there is a possibility he does run. if he does, there will not be much of our primary. if he runs, he is still the most popular person in the republican party. by now, if there were a republican primary, he would annihilate anyone who runs

against him. a lot of people we were talking about would simply not run. if he does not run, the field is going to be wide open. there will be 20 or 30 candidates including haley, and everybody is going to say they are heir apparent. i do not know how it is going to play out. there are a lot of candidates that are going to be vying to lead the republican party if trump does not want to. host: tom cotton going to iowa. mike pompeo was there last month. who am i missing? guest: specifically iowa, i have not checked the travel logs. we can't forget, mike pence is probably gonna run again. there will probably be outsiders

who think they can capture the outsider mantle that the president was able to ride in on, but it is going to be crazy. host: 10 or 15 minutes left with nathan gonzalez to talk about the races. what do you want to talk about? inside elections -- this is hilton in north carolina. an independent. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: good morning. host: what is your comment? caller: i was listening about the news, i don't look at the news on both -- i look at what is going on in the country. with everything going up jobs wise, higher taxes, higher food, the work demand is having a hard

time to make a living. therefore it is a mess. host: how do you find out what is going on? where do you go to find out? caller: i go to the grocery store. i go get gas, there is none. you are sitting online for 20 minutes, it is a shame shutting off the pipeline. it's ridiculous. it's not for the working-class people. host: stansberry, north carolina. guest: hilton is not alone in what he is seeing and what he is feeling. the questions in my mind are, what does the country look like a year from now when we are getting closer to the 2022 elections? the state of the economy? how are people feeling about the direction of the country?

that is going to drive voters in the middle. let's face it, the majority -- i will say even most americans have probably already decided whether they will support a democrat or republican and key congressional races but there are voters in the middle that are still persuadable and i think a lot of that persuasion will come from what is the current state of our country. then it will be a drop performance review on democrats who control the white house and the house and the senate. voters are going to give them that review in november of 2022. host: buie, maryland. a democrat. good morning. >> -- caller: good morning, america. i think the republicans on capitol hill are putting their eggs in one basket -- are putting their eggs in trump's basket.

people are betting against democracy. is that what you are seeing? also, the governor of florida is holding appointing someone to the seat -- i forget the democrat's name that died -- he is not appointing anybody until next year. what are the people of florida saying about that? i am betting on democracy. i do not believe americans want an authoritarian government. guest: first of all, i think you were talking to the -- to the second part of your comments, the late congressman hastings passed away. governor desantis, what he did do was delay a scheduling of that special election until late this year. i am not convinced that if that district had been a republican district that the governor would

not have found a way to get that special election scheduled sooner in order to get another republican on capitol hill sooner. what do voters think? i have not seen date on what voters think about that, but that is the situation going on there. in terms of whether republicans are making an anti-democracy play, what we are seeing now i think is still the influence of trump within the republican party. there are a lot of republicans on capitol hill that her feel full -- that are fearful of doing something to anger him because they are worried about the backlash from his voters who like him more than they like them. he is still leading and guiding, although he is not on twitter and facebook he is still guiding

drug publican party because of his influence over the voters because republicans do not want to face primaries or they do not want to have the threat of primary challenges. i am looking forward to -- i need to go back to the bowie bay sox, i will make it to a bay sox game before the end of the year. host: from prattville, this is bruce, a republican. caller: i want to ask a question here, he was talking about -- she might not run. what if trump runs? and they announced together that she is going to be his vice? guest: that is a possibility. that is a viable scenario and i do not think she would run against him, but having a trump-haley ticket, i would not bet against that. i would not bet my bay sox tickets against that.

i am surprise, i thought there was a nonzero chance he could have switched, he would have tried to switch tickets for 2020. that didn't happen, but yeah, i am not running -- i am not really out a trump-haley ticket. host: karen in alabaster. caller: i have just a couple of comments. the first is regarding your poles. the only pollster that got it right in 2016 and 20 teen was trafalgar. nobody else got it right. so, why should we believe yours? number two, when you say people -- trump is hijacking the republican party, you pretty much said this, it is is based that is taking over the party. the people of america are taking over the party. we want the swamp drained and we

want our country back. thank you. guest: with trafalgar, i do not believe they are pulling in the closest -- they're pulling in the upper midwest had biden leading. i will look at those to see if they indeed had biden winning those key states and biden winning the presidency. i am happy to be wrong if my recollection is wrong. host: do you do polling? guest: i do not. we are not pollsters. we digest as much bowling as possible. republican, democrat, public, private, we tried to look at as much as possible but we are not pollsters. thank you for being able to make that distinction. the republican party, i certainly didn't use the term hijacked. your paraphrasing what i said. the parties can do whatever they

want, it does not matter to me which direction they want to take a party or who j -- i am just trying to explain the dynamics that right now trump is leading the party. what i heard was some of what i was trying to explain. there are voters that are tired of both parties. they are tired of republicans and democrats. they are all the swamp, which is a term the caller used. where do they vote when it comes to 2022? that's a key question. or, do they vote at all? are the democratic politicians, are they equally the swamp compared to republicans? host: a text message from manny in california, wants to know why you think rubio is vulnerable? guest: florida is still a background -- battleground state. it is not a tossup or a swing

state, it is hard to call something a swing state when one party has won the most recent big election, but we are talking about margins of less than 1%. republicans have shown that if they win there raised -- publican's have shown they can win the big races, but it has been close. it usually involves tens of millions of dollars. to call florida safely republican i think overestimates the republican advantage, but rubio will start the race with the advantage. when we do more traditional ratings and breaking them out, it won't start at the tossup, it will start as a republican advantage. host: time for one or two more calls, this is in aurora. caller: good morning.

i am of asian-american dissent but also a registered libertarian. wrap your noodle around that. as far as my media diet, going back to an earlier call, there is c-span but i also read reason.com and democracy now. we are fortunate enough to have an hq world japan as well as the german public broadcaster. i just want to ask about colorado's six. it did not feel as competitive in 2020 as it didn't 2018. of course our state is going to gain another seat in the house, i was wondering if i could get your take as far as the competitiveness of that district in 2022 but also how the redistricting might impact -- since we will get a new seat? guest: i think there was a significant trump -- drag from

trump on republicans down ticket. colorado was actually fairly close in 2016. i believe it was four or five points that hillary clinton won, it was 15 for biden. we saw that filter down to down ballot to congressional races. you're right that colorado is getting a district. it is interesting that this will be the first cycle there were redistricting commissions for the congressional districts in the state legislature. there is a ymca coalition amendment that passed and those are being implemented so it is kind of new, wide-open territory in terms of what could happen. the districts are going to have to change somewhat because there is going to be an additional seats there. until we get the lines, it is hard to ultimately handicap who is going to -- which party stands to gain more over the other. host: how about you come back

and we will reassess everything? guest: we will have it instantly. as long as we know the candidates. the district lines are a first step. host: nathan gonzalez, insideselections.com. guest: i will see you next time. host: stick around for a discussion about race, public health, and the legacy of the tuskegee setting. we will be joined by the president of the voices for our father's legacy foundation. we will be right back. ♪>> on the weekly, putting this pandemic into perspective. a doctor has made countless media appearances to explain covid-19, vaccines and treatments, and says we have made a lot of progress since the virus came, but it is not over. >> if we keep going on

vaccinations -- we are at about 60% of adults now -- rates will get low. part of in management -- part of the management is keeping it low. behavior changing. in the past, if you woke up and had a fever or a runny nose, you often still went to the office. that kind of stuff will start changing. people almost never wore masks. i think you will see more. host: more -- >> more of our conversations with the dean of brown university's school of public health on the weekly. be sure to follow wherever you get your podcasts. >> today, federal reserve board member lloyd brenner talks about cryptocurrency. watch live at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span two, as c-span.org, or

listen on the radio app. ohio congressman bob a lot of talks about the newly released republican broadband plan today from the free state foundation's annual telecom conference live at 9:30 a.m. eastern on c-span two, c-span.org, or listen free on the c-span radio app. >> washington journal continues. host: our topic in this half-hour of the washington journalism race and public health. our guest is lillie tyson head, president of a voices for our father's legacy foundation. start by explaining what the foundation does and whose legacy you are focused on. guest: good morning, john, and thank you so much for having me today. excuse me. voices for our father's legacy foundation was organized in 2014

as a title i see three -- as a title ic3 two remember and honor the african-american men who were victimized and unethically treated for 40 years by the u.s. public health service syphilis study in alabama. these men were human beings, but were dehumanized and used as guinea pigs. they were our fathers, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, neighbors, coworkers, and they were dearly loved. the foundation, in solidarity with descendants, the national center for bioethics in research at health care at tuskegee university, many dedicated supporters, we are trying and

working to preserve the history of the longest lasting non-therapeutic study that the u.s. has conducted in history. we want to tell the untold stories about the study and field a lasting memorial, healing and inspiration garden at the center. we want to provide restitution to the descendants, encourage them to go into the medical field, encourage research, social justice and education. we are moving forward, determined to transform the legacy of the u.s. public health syphilis study from shame and trauma to honor and triumph and the daughter, and my personal connection to the foundation and the study.

i am the daughter of freddy lee tyson, who was unwittingly deceived to be a part of the study along with all of the other 622 men. i am deeply saddened and concerned about a system that allows such inhumane treatment, deceitfulness, and lack of respect for our loved ones and human dignity, but as president, i am honored and humbled with this responsibility and hopeful that, today, we can make a difference. host: lillie tyson head with us in this section of the washington journal. we are here to take your calls about the group and the legacy of the study. if you are in eastern or central

time zones, (202) 748-8000 is the number. mountain or pacific, (202) 748-8001. you can start calling in this morning. most of our viewers probably know the name of the study, the tuskegee study, but you said in your remarks there that the official name, the u.s. public health service syphilis study conducted in tuskegee and macon county, alabama. why do you prefer that longer name, that more involved in -- more involved name, of the study? guest: that is the correct name. when the study was started in 1932, the name was the united states public health syphilis study -- i am sorry. the united states public health study of untreated syphilis in the negro male. that was the name of the study and that it -- that was what

it was first funded for. after the study became known to the public, it then went to -- or they started using the name tuskegee study. that is, in my opinion, wrong and a continued injustice. tuskegee is not the owners of that study. the public -- the u.s. public health service is the owner of the study and so should it be named that. and you also have some type of accountability for that study. none of the medical professionals, even after it became known, were held accountable for the study, so we should start referring to the study as the united states public health service to study at tuskegee -- service study at tuskegee and include macon

county because that's where the men came from, rural macon county, and when you disregard that, you are disregarding the whole community of people that were affected by the study so this is why the whole foundation is trying to change and improve their -- improve there. and i think wim we accept responsibility -- when we accept responsibility for the good and the bad, we can do much better. host: the tuskegee study itself was not a vaccination study, but in this time of vaccine hesitancy, when it comes to the coronavirus vaccine, what do you see is your role today? guest: icus our role -- i see as

our role as someone who could play a big role or big part in helping to join together with medical agencies and health care agencies to build a bridge that we all could cross from mistrust to trust in our health care system. our voices are important. an hour voices -- and our voices i think would help to provide an insight as to how and when injustice is done, how it impacts individually not only for that. of time but for generations after. host: i want to give you the

chance to chat with some collards. kyle is first out of buffalo, new york. caller: good morning . i am just calling in. we talked about the chavez trial, an educator here in buffalo, new york. host: i remember that call, kyle. caller: i was waiting to get in touch with you, but you weren't on. anyway, new topic. as an educator, it is hard because a lot of the history lessons i have learned is it really shared in the mainstream -- learned isn't society when it comes to different cultures. i am. patrick campaign. there are people who don't get

the history of african-americans in the country, is purposely being done to us. i am glad we are fittingly on topics that many of us have known for decades, but i guess with the vaccine, hence why you have skepticism -- that's why you have skepticism based on smooth things. definitely see -- especially

with that we are seeing today i will listen to your responses. i appreciate this format. host: thanks for the call. lillie tyson head, giving you a chance to respond. what do you think? guest:'s to follow, i would like to thank the caller for coming -- first of all, i would like to think the calling in and i would like to echo what he said about the history.

although this study is referenced to quite a bit with the vaccine, and one of the reasons for the hesitancy about the cobit vaccine -- the covid vaccine is that some people believe they will be injected with something and they are basing that on the misinformation and the false facts that the men were injected with something and they were not. the men were not injected with syphilis. the men stepped down paying to better their health as they were told -- down on -- down in good faith to better their health as they were told deceitfully that they had bad blood, but were not told what the study was for. this study is only one of the mistreatments and the social and

racial injustices that black americans have experienced in this country for centuries and some are still experiencing, especially when it comes to health care. there are other racial injustices that we are seeing now every day with the black lives -- not black lives matter movement, but with the killing of a lot of black men, but i want to focus on the health part of it, because when you really affect one's health, you are affecting one's life and lives for generations to come, so i appreciate the caller for making that point. i will add i am hoping that, by talking about what has happened, reflecting on it, and seeing how

we can change and make a difference, especially with our attitudes, because if our attitudes do not change, we will not change, so we need to look at each other as human beings and be treated with the respect and dignity that each human being deserves to be treated with, especially when it comes to health care. host: the tuskegee study went on fo. -- 40 years. bill clinton formally apologizes. one individual at that ceremony, hermann shah, a test kiki study survivor -- a tuskegee study survivor. here are some remarks at the white house. [video clip] >> in my opinion, it is never too late to work to

restore faith and trust. a quarter of a century after the study ended, president clinton, we are sitting together here to allow us to finally put this horrible nightmare behind us as a nation, a most commendable decision. for america to reach its full potential, we must truly be one america, black, red, white together, trusting each other, caring for each other, and never allowing the kind of tragedy that has happened to us in the tuskegee study to ever happen again. host: lillie tyson head, hermann shah saying it is never too late to restore faith and trust. do you think faith and trust has

been fully restored when it comes to the legacy of the tuskegee study? guest: yes, i do, but i think it will take a lot of work and a lot of hard, serious, heartfelt conversation, and i think, together, not alone, but together, we can bring about the faith and the trust in getting better health care and equity in our lives. i believe that, truly. it will never -- i don't think we will ever be perfect because we are human beings and we are still going to have some discrimination and some injustice, but i think we can do much better, much, much better, than what we are doing now.

when i asked my father about how he felt a few days after he learned that he had been a part of this study, and my father said that "i cannot do anything about what has happened to me and all of those other men, but it is up to you all to make sure that it doesn't happen again." and you heard those words paraphrased and echoed in what mr. shaw just said. and some of the words that was in the apology by president clinton, you also read and heard some of those words, and it began with forgiveness and working together to make sure that each person is treated with

respect, dignity, and equity. host: here's a little bit of thin president clinton's remarks from that day, may 16, 1997. [video clip] >> 40 years, hundreds of men betrayed along with their wives and children, along with their community in macon county, alabama, the city of tuskegee, the university there, and the larger african-american community. united states government did something that was wrong, deeply, profoundly morally wrong. it was an outreach to our commitment to integrity and equality -- it was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all citizens.

to the wives, family members, children and grandchildren, i say what you know. no power on earth and give you back the lives lost, the pain suffered, the years of internal torment and anguish. what was done cannot be undone, but we can end the silence. we can stop turning our heads away. we can look at you in the eye and finally say, on behalf of the american people, what the united states government did wishing and -- government did was shameful and i am sorry. host: president clinton from 1997. lillie tyson head, one of the children president clinton was referring to, is the head of the legacy for our fathers foundation.

we are taking your questions as we talk about the legacy of the tuskegee study. barbara is next. good morning. caller: good morning, john. good morning, ms. head. there was no mention of a booster shot when the vaccine was announced, but now dr. fauci is announcing people will need a booster as soon as this fall. nobody who got the vaccine got a label telling them what chemicals are in the vaccine, so at this point, how likely do you think it is that something was put in the vaccine that will make people need a booster whether they want it or not? host: any thoughts on that concern you are hearing in that question? guest: i am not a medical professional, so i really cannot address the facts about what was in the vaccine, but i can tell you that i trust the vaccine as

far as one can trust. i have relied on the history of vaccines over the years. i know that i have always taken a vaccine. and when i found out that the vaccine was becoming available, i was ecstatic because i knew that that would protect me and my family from possibly death or serious illness and i knew that i had always taken vaccines and it has always turned out that way, so i am an advocate of taking vaccines. i was not overly concerned about the expediency of the vaccine, nor was i overly concerned about the fact that it had not

officially approved by the fda, but it has received emergency approval and i trusted that. i did my own personal research. i talked to my personal doctor. i talked to my family. and most of all, i saw the devastation that it was doing to all people, especially in the black and brown community, so that was alarming to me and i became a full-blown advocate of taking the vaccine. if you are able, and that is how you can better protect yourself, better protect your family, your loved ones, and those who are around you, and for me, there's just no getting around that. it is important that we do our

research. now, understand that the men did not have this opportunity. they were not informed. they didn't know. they were less educated, but they trusted and they believed that what they were doing wou ld help them to be better as well as help them to protect their families, provide them with some type of health care, but they were deceived and immorally treated my opinion -- treated in my opinion, so i would suggest everyone do your research, become informed, and find out. make your own decision as to what you want to do if you have not taken the vaccine. you make your decision on that. and then for those of us who are still uncertain, realizing you

may need a booster, i have no problems with that if you have to have a booster with the shot. i will take it. and i must say the descendants that i spoke with and the board of the directors of the foundation, all of us have taken the vaccine and we advocate for it because our fathers were denied penicillin after penicillin was discovered as a cure for syphilis. they were denied that. so here we are in a position that we can do something for ourselves and our generations to follow by taking the vaccine. host: was your father or the other survivors of the study ever compensated by the federal government for what happened? guest: yes. there was some compensation, emphasis on the word "some."

there was a class-action suit that was brought by attorney fred gray tuskegee -- great in tuskegee -- freddie gray in tuskegee. they found out because someone told him about it when he was out and about, that he was part of a study, and he did not know, so there was part of a class action suit brought on. it was settled out of court in, i think, 1973, about a year after the study became known. host: a couple more calls. thierry has been waiting in atlanta, georgia. your arm with lillie tyson head. caller: good morning, john, how are you? host: i am doing well. caller: ms. tyson head, i first

want to salute you and your daughter for the work you have done so consistently, and you have been so committed to this cause. i have so many questions. i know i am limited to time. i found out about the tuskegee study through the hbo program /documentary ms. evers boys. i was shocked. i have been to tuskegee several times. as a child, my older sister attended and is a graduate from tuskegee, so i have been all through the campus, the carver museum, and i guess my question is how much of the documentary was true and how much was embellished and also, do you have any support for your

foundation from any organizations such as, perhaps, pharmaceutical companies or major contributors -- host: let's take up those two questions you asked. guest: thank you for calling in and good morning to you. let's talk about the movie ms. evers boys. it was embellished and untruthful. it painted the men in a light that was uncomplimentary and inappropriate. you could say it was wrongfully done. that is another part of the mission of the foundation, is to produce, or to do a documentary

that would shed light and tell the truth about the story of the men. they were wonderful, wonderful, loved men. that's the first question, so don't use that as your means of, i guess, understanding, and believing that what you are seeing on the screen is true. as far as donations for major foundations -- from major foundations and different companies and so forth, we welcome them, because we need funds, but we have received one grant from a foundation. we received one sizable grant from a foundation to help with our research project, the untold story.

and the other donations are from individuals with donations. we also have a membership that you can go to our website and become a member. you can also donate there. and my number is also available there. you can give me a call if you want to talk personally with me, ask me any questions about the study. i would appreciate that. host: it is a kind offer of you to do that because we are running short on time. we will go to riverside, california. ginger, can you make it quick? caller: yes. good morning. this is ginger from riverside. i want to make it brief, but if we can convince others in the black community, someone developed moderna, i believe,

the medicine or shot. she was on tv last week. with all due respect, you are a marvelous talker and i respect you very much. thank you so much. host: i will give you the last minute. guest: thank you for calling in and morning to you. -- and good morning to you. coming together in solidarity and support would be wonderful and it would be welcome. we could come together and also discuss and share all of the information that is happening out there and i think that would be another way in which we could improve the trustworthiness that would lead to trust and confidence in the treatment of the vaccine. host: lillie tyson head is president of the voices for our fathers legacy foundation.

it is voicesforfathers.org if you want to check it out. we appreciate your time this morning. guest: thank you so much, john, for having me, and i'm grateful for having the opportunity to talk about their legacy, the foundation and how we can make a difference. host: about 30 minutes left in our program. in that 30 minutes, in the wake of noaa announcing its 2021 atlantic hurricane forecast, a question for those viewers in the atlantic states and all states -- and gulf states. is your state and community prepared for the hurricane season? phone numbers on your screen. you can start calling in now. and we will be right back. >> go to c-span.org/coronavirus

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c-span.org and listen on the c-span radio app. >> washington journal continues. host: a little later today, president biden is going to be visiting the federal emergency management agency for a briefing on the atlantic hurricane outlook and preparedness of states around the east coast and the gulf of mexico. that's in the wake of last week, the national oceanic and atmospheric administration released their forecast for the 2021 hurricane season. it officially begins june 1. here's one of the headlines from their forecast. "expect above average atlantic hurricane season this year." this last segment, we are asking viewers in atlantic states and gulf states to call in and say whether you think your community is prepared this time. are you prepared for the atlantic hurricane season?

(202) 748-8000 if you live in the atlantic states, (202) 748-8001 if you live in the gulf states. and from the national atlantic and atmospheric in ministry shim, they released -- and from the noaa, they released the report last week, this is the acting administrator of the administration. [video clip] >> the outlook indicates an above normal season is likely. specifically, there's a 60% chance of an above normal season, 30% chance of near-normal, and 10% of below normal. for the range of storms that we expect, the outlook calls for a 70% probability in the following ranges. 13 to 20 named storms with top winds of at least 39 miles per hour.

of these 13 to 20 named storms, six to 10 will become hurricanes with top winds of at least 74 miles per hour. this includes three to five major hurricanes ranked as category three or above with top winds of at least 111 miles per hour. host: that last week on the atlantic hurricane season outlook. we want to hear whether you think your state and community is prepared. again, (202) 748-8000 if you live in the atlantic states and (202) 748-8001 if you live in the gulf states. last week from the virginia pilot, the newspaper here in the commonwealth, this lead editorial. this is what they write. "the seas are calm and the wind soft for now. it is a perfect time to enjoy the bounty a coastal community affords residents, from kayaking to devouring seafood. we know that come june 1,

hampton roads residents must again cast our weary eyes word, watching for disturbance he -- weary eyes eastward, watching for disturbances in the atlantic that can become perilous." that paper going on to encourage residents to prepare to start preparations at home. this briefing that's happening today for president biden coming just days after the first main tropical storm -- first named tropical storm formed in the atlantic over the weekend. tropical storm ana heading east of bermuda and away from any threat of land, but a reminder of any approaching hurricane season. it came little more than a week before the start of the hurricane season. there were a record 30 named

storms last year, seven categorized as major hurricanes with sustained winds of at least 111 miles per hour. only the disastrous 2005 season, which brought 15 hurricanes, including the notorious katrina and rita, has generated more. ana transitioned into a tropical storm sunday. in the wake of the annual news headlines about hurricane, do you think you are prepared where you live in this part of the country, whether you are in the atlantic waters or in a golf state -- in a gulf state. hernan is in san juan, puerto rico. caller: i am calling because i live in san juan. as some people know, puerto rico took a big hit from hurricane

maria and a lot of money was spent on rebuilding the infrastructure, particularly the electrical system, and one of the things i wanted to mention is that a lot of money was also wasted. and i was wondering that, if sometime in the future, c-span could have some experts chime in on the reality of the privatization of the electrical system in puerto rico as well as the reality in terms of what was actually improved. we have not got a lot of confidence here even with all the attention given to that issue. host: hernan, that's a great topic for us to take up. i will certainly bring it up in our story meetings -- our story ideas meeting we have. where were you during rita and

how bad was the destruction where you were? caller: for hurricane maria, i was in oregon teaching. so i had to stay in touch with friends and stuff like that to find out how serious the damage was, and it was really, really serious. we were out of power and water for many months. that was in september. then in january, i went back to the island to see how things were. they were still in pretty bad shape, and so i decided to quit my job in oregon and move back to puerto rico and get involved in the rebuilding and restoration of homes and that kind of thing, so -- host: what led you to that decision? caller: well, i thought the damage and the reaction by people in terms of helping each other, i was really moved by it, and i thought it would be a

great idea just to be a part of it, and of course, it is still going on, and a lot of people here are very, very concerned because, you know, puerto rico as an island and as a place that has generally low income and a more fragile economy, it takes us a lot longer to recover to the basics. if you had some people that could actually tell us the reality about where we are at in terms of just dealing with basic services, it underlies the subject you brought up, hurricane preparedness and survivability. i think that would be appreciated. host: four years since maria. thank you for telling us about your experience down and san juan -- in san juan. taking your phone calls. (202) 748-8000 if you are in the atlantic states. (202) 748-8001 if you are in the

gulf states. let us know if your community is prepared for the hurricane season this year. more from benjamin friedman, the acting administrator of noaa, encouraging americans to act now, plan for the hurricane season. [video clip] >> it was a mere six months ago that the most active hurricane season on record ended and here we are now on the cusp of a new hurricane season. lighting in this briefing, the fema administrator will talk about the importance of preparing for hurricanes and greater detail -- in greater detail, but i will emphasize that if you are in a hurricane zone, now is the time to make sure you have a plan in place to evacuate, disaster supplies, and a plan to secure your home. hurricanes bring not only dangerous winds but deadly storm surges and inland flooding, so

make sure you are focusing on the impact of water. i want to emphasize that since last year's hurricane season, noaa has continually improved the observations, modeling and research that are the backbone of our forecasting. we are committed to providing the most accurate data to the public for the hurricane season and all your long. host: a discussion in this country right now on hurricane preparedness ahead of the official start of the season on june 1. out of hampton roads, this new story, the hampton roads community foundation and old dominion partnering up to educate the community before hurricane season kicks off. tomorrow at 6:00 p.m., the event taking place, hurricanes before and after the storm. they will talk about what residents can do before the storm and in the aftermath. want to hear your stories.

teresa is in savannah, georgia. good morning. caller: good morning. i just have a question. how do fixed income american citizens pay related to inflation for repairs? because, for example, moms and even military veterans may not have the same equality that other people do america -- in america and, you know, retired people, so how do people actually pay for repairs during hurricane season when resources are not available? host: one of the issues we always talk about during hurricane season, especially later in the season, is fema funding, whether the money is there to help rebuilding efforts, those fema grants and other programs. there seems to be a need nearly every year to re-up the fema funding level.

caller: well, who is fema helping? is that like people who are working for a company ration or something -- company or corporation or something? how would it help individual people so you don't have to pay it back? host: various programs in fema. some are focused more on businesses, some on residents, but certainly another topic that is ripe for further discussion. thanks for the call from savannah, georgia this morning. that's teresa. this is mlb from twitter, saying "we don't depend on any civil services for hurricanes or any other weather related disaster. we bought a generator that literally runs for our entire home. we learned from experience and invested in our own peace of mind." perhaps this is a segment for telling us your prep, proper stories -- prepper stories,

prepping stories, especially for those who live in the atlantic and gulf states. (202) 748-8000 for the atlantic states, (202) 748-8001 if you are in gulf states. about 10 minutes left this morning and today's washington journal -- in today's washington journal. a press release from mississippi senators roger wicker and cindy hyde-smith among a group of senators from coastal states seeking to ensure the federal emergency management agency workforce is ready for the 2021 atlantic hurricane season. the mississippi senators sending a letter to administrator of fema in light of ongoing agency obligations to disaster response, covid-19 assistance, and border affairs.

marco rubio on the letter, richard burr, tim scott, rick scott. the senators requesting these responses. what is the current workforce posture? comedy employees does the agency have on hand for emergencies? how does the agency plan to respond in the event of natural disasters? what are they making sure to make states are as prepared as possible? president biden will be asking some of those today. he will ask fema for a briefing on the hurricane season. let us know what you are doing in your part of the country. orlando, florida, this is philip. good morning. caller: how are you, john? host: i am doing all right. what are you doing in orlando? caller: i am fine.

beautiful sunshine. it is the sunshine state. i think people at the head try to ignore climate change. i believe that there are signs where florida has problems that will be real. i don't think they are preparing for the future. i think they are telling about the good stuff we have to offer now, but each month is hotter than it should be, so you know that there is going to be a problem. i don't get the sense that they are proactive. i get the sense that they are reactive. host: do you think that members of congress are proactive, or do you think they reflect what you are seeing from the people you are talking about? caller: i think members of

congress no more than they are allowed to talk about or will tell us. i think it is much more serious than we are being told. and i think we really need to be honest with the american people. if there is anything racially or economically or religiously we need to galvanize around, that is our environment, because we live in it. host: that's philip out of florida this morning. it is (202) 748-8000 if you are in an atlantic state. it is (202) 748-8001 if you are a gulf state. let us know what you are doing to prepare for hurricane season. we showed you the official briefing from last week. this is the press release from the national oceanic and atmospheric administration last week, predicting another above normal atlantic hurricane season. forecasters predicting 60% chance of above normal, 30% chance of near-normal, 10%

chance of below normal. they have a range of named storms that will take place, of which six to 10 could become hurricanes with winds of 74 miles per hour or higher, including three to five major hurricanes, category 3, 4 or five hurricanes with winds of 111 miles per hour or higher. that is what the prediction is for this year. we will see what happens in the weeks and months to come, but you can see -- but you can call in to let us know how you are preparing and whether you are feeling prepared and whether your community is preparing or how they have changed how they prepare. president biden heading to fema to get a briefing today on the atlantic hurricane season. president biden, the rest of his schedule this week is as follows -- he will meet with the family

of george floyd tomorrow at the white house on the anniversary of george floyd's death. we are looking for more details today likely on what that meeting will entail, what those events will entail, but that is officially on the president's schedule for tomorrow. thursday, the president heads to cleveland, ohio, to deliver remarks on the economy. on friday, the president will travel to wilmington, delaware, where he will remain over the memorial day weekend. and of course, we are expecting the president's budget to be released on friday. plenty of storylines to come from that budget, plenty of things to watch for, but tomorrow specifically on the desk of george -- on the anniversary of the death of george floyd, the lead story in today's washington post on that topic -- "a year later, scars and division" is the headline on that story.

"minneapolis prepares to mark the anniversary of george floyd's killing. as minneapolis prepares for the anniversary, it remains a city in turmoil with many of the racial inequalities highlighted during last year's protest unresolved. the police department is in crisis, woefully understaffed. it's officers are demoralized and its practices under investigation by the justice department." that from the front page of the washington post this morning. when it comes to the issue of police reform, we spent the first hour of our program today talking about that. negotiations continuing behind closed doors between cory booker, the democrat from new jersey, tim scott, republican from south carolina, karen bass, democrat in the house from california, involved in those negotiations. biden hoped to have a police

reform bill passed through congress, or at least a negotiated bill with republicans available, by the first anniversary of george floyd's death. there are reports this week that that is likely not going to happen. as these negotiations continue, more questions for the white house about how much involvement they have had in that process and about not hitting that deadline. this is jen psaki from the white house briefing room on that topic from friday. [video clip] >> it looks like this soft memorial day deadline is going to slip without legislation being passed. is the white house losing some confidence in the bipartisan talks that are going on on capitol hill? and also how does president biden plan to address that issue on tuesday when he speaks about the anniversary of george floyd's death? >> i would say first that the president used the occasion of his joint address, one of the highest profile moments any president has, to speak about and reiterated his view that police reform is overdue.

the george floyd justice in policing act is the right form and fill that could help get that done, rebuild trust. what we have heard from negotiators is that they feel there is progress. it is unlikely. we will not meet the timeline the president outlined, which he did because he felt it was important to be ambitious about how we talk about important legislation, but we have confidence in the negotiators and we have seen them convey publicly that they feel the vibes are good and they continue to make progress. host: jen psaki from the white house briefing room friday. a few moments left this more meant. if you want to join the conversation about how your state and is preparing for the hurricane season, that's what we are talking about. atlantic state collards, (202) 748-8000. gulf state callers, (202)

748-8001. that conversation also happening on social media. this is jan on twitter saying "does anyone really prepare for hurricane season or do they wait until the threat is imminent and then panic buy?" tillman saying "if you live in a hurricane zone, you should be prepared 365 days a year." another -- a hurricane in 1994 did extensive damage. our town did a major overhaul of rivers and dams. we are much better prepared. this libby -- that's libby from twitter. a color from new jersey, gail -- a caller from new jersey, gail. do you worry about hurricanes in new jersey? caller: we should i guess because we are on the shore.

the worst we were ever hit was hurricane sandy. i lost power for about a week and it was really cold back then, but what i am calling about is george floyd. why are we worshiping this man? this man has a criminal record. he was known to have put a knife to a pregnant woman's belly. now we are worshiping this guy. i cannot believe what is going on. host: you don't believe the president should meet with george floyd's family in the wake of what has happened with the trial, the conviction for murder? caller: it should have been a mistrial because, let me tell you, the people on the jury were probably afraid to give a different verdict because they knew if they did the town of minneapolis would have been burned down, and you know we

have a congresswoman, maxine waters, who was there inciting a riot if they did not get the verdict that they wanted and this black lives matter -- all lives matter, not just black lives. what about what is happening to the asians? they should get together and start protesting asian lives matter. well, white lives matter. host: that's gail in new jersey on black lives matter, one of the lead stories on usa today today on that topic -- blm activists clash over money and clout the headline. if you want to read that story, it is from today's usa today. on this issue of police reform, just coming back to that topic as we get closer to the end of our program here, one story from the washington times today on

where that bipartisan legislation is right now. the negotiation going on behind closed doors. the lead negotiator saying progress is being made on some sort of compromise bill. democrats starting from the position of the george floyd justice policing act passed in the houston early march -- in the house in early march on a mostly partyline vote, awaiting action in the senate. the story says qualified immunity is the impasse stalling the negotiations. they remain dead liked over the democrats demands that police officers -- they remained deadlocked over the democrats demanded that police officers lose qualified immunity, shielding them from civil action. the story going on to note that

the controversy over ending qualified immunity, which has been opposed by police unions, not unique to washington. it is a controversy that played out in other states as well. colorado became the first state to eliminate qualified immunity police officers -- immunity for police officers. as a compromise, they set $25,000 as a limit what officers have to pay. new mexico followed, repealing qualified immunity outright on april 7. colorado and new mexico both have democratic run legislatures and democratic governors. if you want to read more on that story, it is from the washington times today. time for just maybe one more call this morning. this is randy, pell city, alabama. we have been talking about hurricane preparedness. how are things in pell city, alabama? caller: they are good, but i live in gulf shores. my home is in pell city.

but people need to pay attention to the storms coming up. they will do bodily damage. but now, to the lady that called just before you on george floyd, no, they should not be meeting with him. they don't meet with none of the comps the end of getting killed, so i don't think they ought to meet with george floyd and his family. have a blessed day. host: that's randy in pell city, alabama, our last caller. we will be back here tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 a.m. the civic. in the meantime, have a great monday. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] >> c-span is your unfiltered

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