potential benefits for displaced workers. host: david gantz, a professor of law emeritus at the university of arizona. thanks forannouncer: washingtonl continues. host: this is erin durkin of national journal. she reports on health care issues, joining us to talk about the new effort by the biden administration when it comes to vaccination rates. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you for having me. host: what is the best way to understand what put forth this new push yesterday? guest: the president had made a goal for july 4 to get one shot to 70% of adult americans, and right before the july 4 weekend, they were just coming in shy of that goal, but that was anticipated. and so what you really heard yesterday was kind of a doubling

down and really strategizing where to go from here, how to reach those last americans who are either hesitant to get the vaccine or are struggling to access it for other reasons. and certainly your hearing this shift. from where we were at the beginning of the vexing campaign, focused on mass fax sites, getting this out quickly and efficiently, you are switching -- you are getting it through family doctors and pharmacies, places that are easily accessed, maybe to answer questions. host: when it comes to those who are hesitant today, how would you categorize those groups? guest: i think it is hard to put them under one umbrella. simply because you have people with personal concerns.

but certainly you could break them down. maybe into a few groups. there are certainly some people who might be a little hesitant but they might be willing in the future to get it. and in might be dependent on the trusted messenger. there are some people who said they don't want to get it. the kaiser family foundation vexing monitor actually -- their numbers show that the people who say they don't want to get it at all attend to be white, republican, and younger. i think maybe it could break down like that, but i think this is where it is important to drill down to individual populations and individual neighborhoods, because blocking people from getting the vaccine could be pretty unique. i'm talking about the attitude toward vaccinations, but there are also people who might not be

able to take off work to get the vaccine. there are multiple reasons why people might not be able to get it. host: those populations and neighborhoods -- one of the commonalities as far as what makes those populations in neighborhoods where you find a lot of people who have not gotten the vaccine. guest: i just mentioned the kaiser family foundation numbers, but also a number of vaccinations come as we are getting more people vaccinated, you are starting to see certain population groups pop up, lagging behind. if you look at the cdc map, it becomes clear that -- the stefan mississippi -- mississippi has a much lower vaccination rate. the government is trying to explore key messengers for these groups. i think what you're seeing is,

you are having some populations like 27 and under that are lagging behind the older groups. so you have these numbers. they tend to be white, leaning republican, and younger. but there is also a concern about minority groups being able to have access, equitable access , and getting the correct information to them. host: when it comes to the efforts announced by the administration yesterday, can you elaborate on the door to door part of it? host: -- guest: what he outlined, it is really focusing on getting it to communities. if you want to focus on the pharmacy and the family physician use of this, these are trusted messengers in the community. i know there was a hearing recently on capitol hill where

witnesses were talking about the roles physicians play for people and how they are vaccine ambassadors. so i think it is going to be a really key piece of >> we will leave this washington journal discussion here. live now to london, where british prime minister boris johnson is preparing to testify before the house of commons liaison committee. he is expected to discuss the coronavirus pandemic, post brexit trade and climate change. live coverage on c-span. p.m. johnson: if you asked me whether i feel happy about the current situation in afghanistan, of course i do not. i am apprehensive. the situation has risks.