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giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> michael wolfe is with us, the author of seven books, including three on the trump presidency. ip presidency and the latest, " landslide: the final days of the trump presidency." welcome to "washington journal." guest: thank you for having me. host: was it always your plan to write about the final days of the trump presidency, or did the situation on the inauguration, january 6 included, drive you to write this book? guest: i had no intention of writing a third book. i thought two was plenty. but then january 6 happened, and i thought, you know, how can i walk away from this story? this story has immense implications for the moment, for the future. it was a story that for better

or for worse, i thought i knew as well as anyone, and i put my boots back on. host: he also wrote "fire and fury" and "each -- "siege." what struck me was the sense of chaos around the election returns and the whole period of challenging the election, generally six. did that surprise you at all? guest: well, no, i mean, the underlying theme probably of the three books i've written about the trump administration is, to say the least, chaos. i think maybe it even goes further than chaos. a through the looking glass dysfunction about the trump white house has been kind of an epic story.

but having said that, the period after the election on november 3 came even more for the top administration, saying quite something. even more out of control, even more disconnected from all standard measures and functional reality. host: how do you approach writing these books on the president in terms of getting to sources, including the accounts of -- how are you able to make such good contacts with people and get such good information on what was going on? guest: i was speaking to a friend not long ago, bragging about the fact that i had written this last book in about four months, and my friend said, well, you've had a lot of practice. and i think that is the answer.

i have been doing this through three books. i have come to know probably nearly everyone in the trump orbit, or in the succession of orbits, because most of the people in the trump administration have cycled in and cycled out. but for some, again, for better or worse, i have become, i suppose, a kind of a trump -- host: i won't give away the end of the book, but you included an interview with the president. you put critical books on former president trump, and the end of the book concludes with your visit to mar-a-lago. did that surprise you, getting invited to speak to the president about this particular book, about "landslide"?

guest: i think in a world beyond surprise. after fire and fury came out, the president threatened to sue me, tried everything to stop the publication of the book, declared he had never met me, although i've known him for 20 years. and went on many twitter rants about how low and dishonest i was. so i thought then, i guess that's it for that relationship. but when i started to write "landslide" and was talking to many of the people around the president, one of them went to him and said, hey, i was working on a third book, that was kind of a warning to the former president. but he said, that guy, he gets

ratings, let's see him. i have been invited to mar-a-lago to interview the president, an interview that turned out to go for quite a number of hours. and then to have dinner with the former president and the former first lady. host: michael wolff is our guest on "washingon journal," his book "landslide: the final days of the trump presidency." we welcome you to call. the lines to call our for democrats, 202-748-8000, for republicans, 202-748-8001, after independents, 202-748-8002. in the book you write about the preparation that chris christie was playing joe biden in a

debate. the former new jersey governor. an on-again, off-again trump ally, participating in the trump debate rehearsal. was donald trump, in your view, talking off the top of his head, or being semi-serious there? guest: donald trump is always just talking off the top of his head. there is never any preparation. there appears to be never any pre-thought or consideration

that he has gone through, for whatever he has said. so there is not this or that. it is not a situation in which you can say he is talking off his head now but when he said it it was with some seriousness, because it is all just endless, endless, endless blah-blah. so you cannot ever really say is he serious, does he even remember this minutes from now? host: you right that stories would be told in confidence knowing that information would be leaked immediately. do you think donald trump was aware and was ok with information being -- certain information being linked --

leaked to the press during the course of his presidency? guest: other leaking, it became a tool of policy, essentially. many of the people around -- and i think this is an important point -- many of the people around him basically saw their jobs as frustrating what the president might want to do. that is a large statement. the president of the united states, they are supposed to be there to implement the things that he wanted to get done. but his staff, the trump staff, in this ever greater in version -- inversion of reality, felt their jobs were exactly the opposite. trump would say weird stuff, and

you had to distract him from this or you had to slow-walk whatever the things that he suggests, that he was suggesting work, or you had to leak to the press so that the public outcry would stop it. but always with the main intention of getting in the way of the mostly ridiculous things that the president might want to do. host: but chief among those frustrate her's, you write, were jared kushner and ivanka trump, the president's daughter. did their status at all change during the course of the period you write about from the election, through the inauguration? did their influence with the president change? guest: i think that their influence has always remained

basically stable because they understood the limits of their influence. more than any people in the white house, yes, they could have influenced, but that always came up against the barrier of a president who, letter a, doesn't listen to anyone, b, can't really be reasons with in any conventional sense, and, c, left the thread of the conversation in short order. you could influence him about things that he didn't care about , or things he was not going to remember, or things that he couldn't quite comprehend. but if he got it into his head

that there was something he believed in, like the election steel, then you had to steer clear. jared and ivanka, certainly by a week be on the election, new that they could have no effect, so basically absented themselves from any involvement with the election challenge. host: you write that after charlottesville, something of a dress for herschel from the -- for the -- dress rehearsal for the capitol onslaught, had a kinder, gentler approach to the present. i have a photo here, michael

wolff, from the press briefing room, the president speaking, the comments he made from the video late in the day on january 6, that he made and released towards those -- getting recorded and out to the public. guest: there are two important levels here. first that the decision was made , strongly suggested that he not make a life statement. the press was clamoring for him to come out and say something, to deal with this violence as normally you might think that a president would. but the advisors around him -- and that included ivanka, arc meadows, if you other people -- mark meadows, a few other people in the white house, were very clear that he should not make a

life statement because it was very possible that the same thing that happened to trump would happen here, that he would veer toward support of the protesters. so they decided to make a video, and again, ivanka was involved in this, and mark meadows and several other people. it is notable how few people there were, however, in the white house at this point on january 6. i mean, i tried to actually count how many, and, you know, you're really talking about a relative handful of people. mostly everyone had gotten out or quit by then. host: when mark meadows came down shortly after the election, it seems to open the door to in floors years on the -- to

influencers on the former president. how big of a loss was that to have his chief of staff at that point down with covid for several weeks? guest: it was big. you know, one of the things that it wasn't just meadows, but among the people around the president, they had worked assiduously, and this was really since the first impeachment, to keep rudy giuliani out of the white house. but then with meadows, it was a combination of meadows getting sick and the president always shopping for someone to tell him exactly what he wanted to hear that allowed rudy giuliani to come back into the white house. host: we have michael wolff with us until 9:00 eastern. we want to hear from you, 202-748-8000 free democrats,

202-748-8001 for republicans, and independents, 202-748-8002. jimbo from bakersfield says this -- i think he means 2022 -- guest: i think very much. that's what the setup is, and that is the direction that the discussion now heads. at the same time, i must say that the former president is absolutely convinced that he will be the determining factor in many races, and that they will capture the -- they will

retake the house. if not the senate. so that is the somewhat confusing thing. if they win, at that point does the president say the election system is sound and certainly works? host: let's hear from callers. joe in stamford, connecticut, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning, mr. wolff. mr. wolf, i just software they showed an excerpt from your book where you stated about the charlottesville -- i was wondering where you saw the whole video where he condemns everybody. i was curious if you sold that saw the whole video. guest: i have, yes. caller: so why didn't you put

the whole thing in there, except just when he said there is find people on both sides. this man has been called a racist over a fallacy, and you know that. but you keep going with the same thing. have a great day, mr. wolff. guest: thanks. host: brenda, go ahead. guest: good morning. where there any wellsprings or rumors in the white house that donald trump might issue a blanket pardon tell the people that were in the capitol on january 6? it's my understanding that jimmy carter issued a blanket pardon to all the draft dodgers that avoided the vietnam war, so it seems as though a blanket pardon is possible. did trump ever consider a blanket pardon of all his loyal support of soldiers, or did he

just leave them on the battlefield? guest: if so, i don't know that that happens. host: wilhelm, upcoming in lawrenceburg, missouri. go ahead. caller: hi, mr. wolff. i wonder if you saw the video on january 6, where all the people was marching up to the capitol. trump always told lies and told lies, and that's all i have. already. guest: yes, i'm just missing the question there. host: our caller left. in terms of -- let's talk about mike pence sen. hirono: on the january 6 -- andy -- about mike pence on that january 6 -- where is his relationship with the

former president? guest: at this point i would say it is near to nonexistent. the former president became convinced that mike pence had the power to reverse the electoral vote, and that he would in fact use that power on the president's behalf. and essentially install the president for a second term on january 20. this was absurd and preposterous , and mike pence had told him again and again and again that this could not happen and would not happen. but the president continued to believe that. and when it did not happen, when mike pence did not do this, he was regarded as a profound betrayal.

and although there has been some minor effort to put a better face on this, the president continues to be deeply resentful about his former vice president. host: the attack on the u.s. capitol live to the second impeachment of donald trump. you said that trump was ranting to his legal team that he did not want the trial going down this way -- technicalities, free speech, jurisdiction baloney for them he wanted -- here was a chance to lay out the case. indeed, the former president propose he make the case himself on the senate floor. but here is the one argument virtually everybody associated with the case had no doubt we get the president convicted.

once again, everybody was trying to get trump saved from himself, never a promising proposition. how close to that reality become, the stolen election line, this part of his legal team's arguments? guest: the second impeachment was such a comedy, such a collection of the gang that shouldn't -- that couldn't shoot straight, such a disorganized mess, that i'm not sure you could say that there was anything that was close to happening, because what happened ultimately was completely random. the lawyers didn't know their client, they didn't know the president, they were barely speaking to him. even on the phone.

they did not know the case. you had various lawyers quitting in the middle of it. i mean, this was -- i mean, i understand you're are defending the former president of the united states before the united states senate, prosecuted by the united states congress. it was a -- you know, the president was as prepared as if he were going into traffic court. host: let's go to sarah next, with michael wolff, from sterling, virginia. go ahead. caller: good morning, mr. wolff. i'm not a psychologist, but i would say that mr. trump had a narcissistic personality. yet he got -- when he demanded the loyalty from not only people in the congress, but his followers and everything, did it

ever dawn on some of the people that, you know, he was a hindrance of a danger to our democracy? did they ever question his mental ability to even lead the united states? did that ever come up with any discussion that you had with his followers? thank you. guest: i think -- and i say this with all sincerity and without any intention at hyperbole here. i think that everyone who has come into contact with donald trump knows that there is something wrong with him, that there is -- that he is not like you and i. the gears don't work. call it what you will. but that there is something crazy about donald trump. and i think that in terms of the

dangers here, yeah, i think almost everybody understood that there were dangers here. it also, over the course of four years, came to understand that donald trump had no follow-through. he really had no policy goals, no clear intentions beyond just getting as much attention for himself as he could possibly get. for better or worse, certainly the republicans, or many of the republicans, decided that they could live with this. that they could accomplish their goals because donald trump himself really had no goals of his own. so that, i would say, comes pretty close to the devil's

bargain that the republican party made with the former president. host: i'm struck by the contradiction between donald trump's well-known reputation as a great fundraiser for candidates, and the reporting in your book and others elsewhere that by late summer of 2020, the campaign had a 200 billion doubt -- $200 million budget gap. i think you write that the campaign budget was in freefall. explain that country dish and, michael wolff. guest: i think what happened is that trump, throughout donald trump's career, he has looked at the top line and ignore the bottom line. that is to say, he has going around saying he is a man worth $10 billion without accounting for the fact that at most points

he owes as much as $10 billion. so everyone at the campaign knew that there was one ledger he was looking at, which is how much money had they raised? how much money came in through the door? he was never looking at how much had it cost them to raise that much money. so in effect, the campaign was spending vastly more than they should have to attract what was overwhelmingly all those online donors. so at the end of the day -- at that point in the summer when the first campaign manager was fired and a new campaign manager came in, they looked at the budget and said, you know, we are $200 million in the hole here. and in fact they went into the last week, unprecedented, being

outspent by the challenger nearly three to one. host: let's go to lee in west olive, michigan, republican line. caller: mr. wolff, how can you say that donald trump is crazy and had no plan? this is just another hit job book. donald trump's policies were working. unemployment was at an all-time low. he rebuilt the military, trade deals with china. i mean, he took care of the vets. he didn't have any plans or policies? he had the best policies. he had the best policies this country has ever seen come and it was working. you guys just ignore that and say donald trump is a jerk. quit hating on the man. he's the best president we have ever had.

he had millions and millions of followers, and you're calling everybody stupid. host: any response? guest: my only response is that this is the third book i have written. i have spoken to everyone around the president, including the president, at great length. so i'm just reflecting the experience that the people around him have had, the experience that i have had, spending a great deal of time with these people, and i would say that the policies, if you like the former president's policies, they largely came from sources other than the president himself, who is not concerned with policies, who really had little interest in politics per

se. certainly was an absent manager in the executive branch. and who was a man who exists in the moment, holy obsessed with the intention -- with the attention he would get from the public or from his fan base, his audience. so again, this is my experience. that's what i bring to the books that i write. this is what i saw. host: you write about the multiples of candidates, potential republican candidates coming to mar-a-lago to see his endorsement. what about donald trump himself? what is your feeling on him running for president in 2024?

guest: i think it is subject very much on his mind at this moment. host: we will hear from bill in riverside, california. go ahead. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i agree with your last caller. it seems this wolff guy is sort of -- host: bill, you're breaking up. call back again and see if we can get a clear connection with you. we will go to maine, ann, on the democrats line. caller: thank you. i would like to suggest that trump is not the problem, that the republican party was trump before trump come and sadly it will be trump after trump. it goes back to gingrich

normalizing rhetoric. you have in the trump administration, you had all these people willing to spin trump's worst fantasies into even worse attacks on the ground. one of the reasons that was popular is it was all about necessary appealing language, like pro-life and trickled down, and all these rhetorical phrases that don't reflect the realities , and that religion -- it is not just practices, it is a mindset that invites a certain irrationality. it is unmoored from the empirical evidence and debate that we need to have for government. host: michael wolff guest: guest:? guest: i don't disagree with the caller. i would present that donald

trump presents a further separate problem from the problems one might have with the republican party. the separate problem, to my mind, is that he's crazy. somehow we managed to elect a president who is -- who operates in an altogether separate reality. not just from democrats but also from, often, republicans. i am not sure that we have quite come to grips with the meaning of this, with how a crazy man could become president of the united states. and exercise such a hold over so many people in the republican party. host: you right in the day are

two after the election, that jack morris responded with projections of a win in pennsylvania, by 117,000 votes in michigan, and by 147, james o'keefe, started to circulate a video of u.s. postal insider outlining a litany of abuses in pennsylvania, all of which would be debunked by federal investigators. the cpac moderator and trump operative match lap -- matt schlapp --

one of those, michael wolff, was rudy giuliani, longtime associate of the president. how did really -- how did rudy giuliani come back into the postelection period in the white house? guest: again, i think a lot of the people around the president -- for one thing, they were always trying to keep him out, so that was one of the priorities of the trump white house, or the people who worked for the president, was to keep rudy out. they didn't trust him for a full array of reasons, among them his drinking, his incredible disorganization. the fact that he would say almost anything that the president wanted to hear.

essentially his desperation to do anything to be back in the spotlight. many people blame rudy giuliani for most of the terrible things, including the impeachment of the president, that happened in the trump administration. so there was a real -- you know, a real guard against -- posted to keep rudy out. but a combination of factors, mostly having to do with the fact that the president is always looking for someone to say what he wants to hear, and at the end of the day, after it had become clear to everyone around the president that he had lost the election, and this was

clear -- the election was on tuesday, so by friday the results of the election were pretty much clear to everyone. at the end of the day, only rudy was willing to say to him, no, mr. president, you actually won the election, and they had just stolen it from him. that is how rudy, largely a drunken rudy, came back into the white house. host: what is the relationship between rudy giuliani and donald trump today? guest: they don't speak. rudy is not even allowed to call the president. this has happened multiple times over the last four years. rudy is allowed in, makes a mess, and then it is pushed back out. also, rudy wants money from the president. so no matter who you are, how

loyal you have been, how much -- the president might be -- once you start saying that he pay you, then his mood changes. host: let's go to jim, mulberry tennessee, independent line. jim in tennessee, go ahead. caller: yes, i would like to say that i agree with mr. wolff, and i have a comment. i would like to say that donald trump started out his presidency saying that mexico would pay for the wall, and he was wrong about that. so then he said he was going to just tax mexican products, and he was wrong about that. so he switched to health care and said he would repeal and replace obamacare. and he was wrong, and wrong about that. then he said he would found --

that he would possibly pay it off -- seriously wrong again. he said he would flip the trade deficit. and he was wrong about that. he said the virus was a hoax. wrong again. he said it would go away. he said obama was born in africa. he said obama didn't have a birth certificate. everything the guy has ever said was wrong. the sanctions, the trade war is wrong. thank you. host: ok, jim. michael wolff, any response? guest: well, i agree with everything the caller has pointed out, but i think you have to understand a greater

context here come which is that the president is always just talking. the president will say anything. the president -- in a way, i'm tempted to say you cannot really hold the president accountable for the wrong things he says, because he says whatever comes into his head. there is no thought there, there is no consideration. there is no analysis. we and certainly everyone around him, is just subjected to the sound of his own voice, which is the thing he most likes. host: you mentioned before that he was not interested in policy. was that a trait of his throughout his career, or he just wasn't interested in political politics itself. guest: i think both of those

things. his career would not have been spent in the political or policy world. there would be no reason for him to be securely interested in policy. basically has had two jobs. he was in the real estate business, and he was a television actor. so to suppose that he would then arrive in the white house, arriving in the white house with -- that was one of the greatest historical flukes possibly of all time. and then discover intrinsic policy and knowledge about policy, and he has no knowledge, no particular knowledge about the workings of government, or the purpose of government, or the craft of managing large governmental institutions.

to think that he would suddenly discover that, well beyond what he should expect, and then in fact that certainly did not happen in any way, shape, or form. host: next up is sarah in coal city, indiana. caller: hello. host: sarah, make sure you mute your volume and go ahead with your comment, otherwise you would mute -- you would get feedback. caller: i get so tickled at all you people when you write books about trump and all that i don't know what happens when you don't have anything else to write about. i'm 67 years old. donald trump was the best president we ever had. and for all the people out there to be badmouthing him and stuff, it shows you right there that you don't have anything better to say. look at mr. biden.

stayed in the basement the whole campaign, never came out at all. and he winds up winning? do you think we are that stupid? i can't believe it. and mr. biden has alzheimer's, and you're calling trump not in his right mind? host: frank wolf, you write about the strategy of the biden campaign, colors saying that now president biden was in the -- the trump campaign, they were frustrated by the biden strategy. is that correct? guest: very much so. the whole campaign, and this is reflecting -- i hear the views of the people inside the campaign, what a catastrophe. probably one of the worst run campaigns in presidential history. not only from the money standpoint, and that was a vast

problem, that the refusal of the candidate to take the most obvious advice, to tailor his campaign, to do the kinds of things which would have made a meaningful difference. the posters came to him at one point and said -- and these are his posters -- they said, if you are just a little more positive about math -- masks, your base support their wearing of masks. wearing masks has upwards of a 70% approval rating amongst your base. it will make a substantial difference if you merely don't attack mask wearing and mass wearers. he refused to do that.

similarly, when his posters came to him and said, if you don't -- if you oppose mail-in voting -- you don't even have to accept it , just oppose it a little bit less vigorously, that will help. and in fact, because he came quite close to winning this race , on those two points, all of his campaign steps -- he continues to believe if he had only done that, they in fact would have won. host: you write about this in the book, but the bottom line is, who does the president -- can you get an answer from the former on who he thinks stole the election or rigged the election? guest: you know, i wrote to him and said, ok, if you believe this election was stolen,

stealing an election in this country has got to be one of the -- one of the greatest conspiracies we might ever have experienced. this requires planning on a national and local level. it is a massive -- a massive job. so i said, who did it? who coordinated things here? who stole it? he said he knows who stole this election, but he didn't want to tell me then. he will tell me in the future. host: you said he will tell you in the future? guest: yes. host: so there could be a fourth book, michael wolff. guest: i hope not, but it's donald trump. host: michigan, nikki -- make

sure you have your volume and go that you mute your volume and go ahead with your comments. caller: thank you for having me on your show. i wanted to say thank you to mr. wolff, being honest in putting himself out there. my statement would be, for all the people who followed trump and our pro-trump verse, do your due diligence. you don't like whatf mr. wolf -- what mr. wolff is saying, don't be a follower. united we stand, divided we fall full-time and president biden and president harris -- president trump that you all love, he is crazy. mr. wolff is correct, and he is dangerous. mr. wolff is correct.

i want to thank mr. wolff. i will be reading your book and being a follower. thank you, sir. guest: thank you. host: jean in phoenix, arizona. go ahead. caller: good morning. two main items. first, i don't know how fast you can retrieve c-span files -- can your people go to december 8, 2020? look under the senate committee of all things under homeland security, and the topic is going to be hydroxychloroquine. that is one of the items that i believe this book is going to attack. the second thing, i believe you just quoted from his book, wolff

-- by the way, who is a liar. we had an audit done on maricopa county, having to do with mail-in ballots. you ready for this? biden received 74,000 more votes then mail-in ballots were mailed out. let me rephrase that or say it a different way. they mailed out x amount of mail-in balance. will they receive 74,000 more ballots for biden that were mailed out? host: michael wolff, a chance for you to respond. the caller did call you a liar. it is fair to get you to response to that. guest: i have no response. the caller can think what he wants. host: go ahead. caller: i'm sitting here looking

at this guy, and he looks like a total joke. i mean, he is just -- host: you can call in and agree or disagree with our guest, but do not call in to insult the looks or the background of our guest. that is beyond the realm of civilized conversation. we will go to mark in fort lauderdale, florida. good morning. caller: yes, hello. as always, thank you for c-span. i'm especially happy to be getting through to mr. wolf. f hell? -- hello? host: you're on the air, go ahead. caller: you mentioned something critical. how could someone steal a national election, broken down into states, counties, cities in one day? no one could really point that out, outside trump saying probably in the future.

that being said, i hope you keep writing and i hope you keep following, but i think your next book should be about how people taking these trumpism's down into the county level and the people who have been calling you up, you hear how they talk. they are practically spitting. the one guy who spoke coherently just reiterated the talking points of what -- of how successful trump was come which are outright lies. but we are on the cusp right now of something major, with the votes in several states, the attempts at the audits. it does not bode well for the future. if the democrats cannot get their act together right now with the voting rights act, the various voting rights acts, somehow, they are not going to be able to stop the takeover from the east coast. i have said my piece. i look forward to hearing your response.

host: thank you, mark. michael wolff. guest: you know, i largely -- i personally agree with the caller. you know, i like to restrict what i talk about and what i write about to actually what i am directly seeing, and certainly the fight over voting access in this country is a large one, a real one. my concern, however, has been getting as close to donald trump as i possibly can and getting to understand who this man is and what makes him tick, and to understand the -- what i would

have to conclude is an incredibly peculiar, if not twisted, psyche. so that is my specialty. voting, the campaign for voting rights is not. but i also agree that it is an extremely important issue. host: your book ends with an epilogue, a visit to mar-a-lago. in that, you say trump is -- in that, you say --

michael wolff, do you think he is happy in that role? guest: i do. i don't think that -- donald trump has not really, in my view, meaningfully changed from the donald trump in trump tower, the donald trump in the white house, the donald trump in mar-a-lago. he is the same person, he conducts himself in the same way. the presidency really did not alter how donald trump fills his day, or changed his focus. one of the things that i think is often said is that the presidency changes whoever occupies the office.

but i don't think that's been true about donald trump. he has remained singularly donald trump, and i think that is another curious point, is that he doesn't have to be the president to yet be donald trump. that is also a dangerous point, because it is not -- it is not president donald trump who has enthralled so much of the country. it is donald trump, whatever that character is, whatever role that actor -- which is what he is in many respects -- is playing. host: a couple more calls. we go to shirley in north carolina. good morning. caller: i don't think john will

trump -- donald trump is crazy. he might be narcissistic, but the biden white house is -- guest: is it possible that i could interrupt you before u.s. your question, just to make an observation? -- just to make an observation? caller: go ahead. guest: i appreciate this. because my in-laws are supporters of donald trump, and they say the same thing. they say to me, donald trump is not crazy. and i say to them, you know, i am the only person you know who has actually met donald trump. i have spent an enormous amount of time with him. so it is perfectly -- you have the right to decide this, but i'm always curious on what basis you and my in-laws can say with

such certainty, that you have such faith's in donald trump -- faith in donald trump's acuity. caller: ok. when do you think the doctors are going to come in and declare biden with dementia? host: we will go to max in enid, oklahoma, on the independent line. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. i find this guest rich. he is really spotlighting the academic, disingenuous type of behavior in d.c. they love to dislike this guy. i'm not going to use the terms like joke or liar, but it is rich to hear somebody take umbrage with those terms when his book is about a person being clinically unfit to hold the

office that he only won because people were obsessed with him. all of the smart news they couldn't get enough of this guy coming down the escalator from day one. i'd never vote for the guy, but he was on tv but free airtime for the entire election. he didn't have to pay for a single minute of press because people like mr. wolff are infatuated with him. you need to step back and look at what you are creating. for every action there is an equal but opposite host: reaction. host:michael wolf -- but opposite reaction. host: michael wolf, your thoughts? >> i would encourage the caller to read my book and he will come with a different understanding of what happens with the nature of of one of the strangest

historical moments in the history of this country. host: we appreciate you spending the hour with us. michael >> live now here on c-span we are back at the white house where press second jen sake will hold a daily jen psaki will hold a daily briefing. we'll hear more about president biden's infrastructure from earlier. we are expecting the briefing to start shortly.

jen: good afternoon. happy monday. ok. one item for all of you at the top. the united states continues its tremendous efforts to donate covid-19 vaccines from the u.s. global sy.