donate blood or you can make a financial donation. you can use our website, 1-800 red cross -- red cross.org or call our 800 number, 1-800 britt cross. -- red cross. >> thank you. >> i want to thank everyone for being here to day, particularly thank everybody in mississippi who has given a lending hand over the last 96 hours or a little more. we've got more work before us but we are making great progress of thank you all and god bless. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2021] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] management association. welcome to washington journal. over the course of your career you have responded to hurricanes in the local, state and federal level, from what you have seen so far of hurricane ida, where does it rate in terms of your perception of its damage so far. guest: again, this is almost like we saw with superstorm stand -- sandy, areas of heavy

rain -- damage due to the wind and rain in the parishes to the south and west. it is outside of the levee protected area. but inside, the areas that were devastated during hurricane katrina, those areas that have the levees systems are dealing with power outages. most of the people -- the damages inside the levee protected area are damages that can be repaired quickly once the power comes on. further south, a lot of devastation and homes, that have flooded. that will take longer. host: that storm came ashore with 150 mile an hour wind. should we have expected the infrastructure damage, electricity infrastructure damage that we saw. guest: unfortunately, nothing i am seeing is unsurprising. these types of storms, this is

what you get. and this has been a concern for a long time that our infrastructure is vulnerable to these types of storms. we have seen it in florida and in previous hurricanes that one of the big impacts to the communities is not just the physical damage of the storm, but the disruption to infrastructure that can affect far more people who might not have very much damage at all, but as we have here at coming out as they are doing -- heard doing assessments, days to weeks to get power back on while they are dealing with is -- with extreme heat and he mitty. host: fema's role is not to restore that energy, so what is, in terms of responding, what can or what is fema doing at this moment? guest: the first area that they were focused on was supporting the governor's team and search and rescue operations and now

they are getting into life support. some of the parishes down south in the hard-hit areas are offering people an opportunity to evacuate out. president biden did declare all of this area a major disaster area which turned on a lot of programs such as the individual assistance program that can provide temporary housing to people. and i think some people can take advantage of that or they can register and get assistance and somewhere to stay while this gets sorted out. you are hearing about the mayor, she is actually having her buses up and running with air conditioning and sending those out to communities so people can cool off. fema will help reimburse. the financial impacts and a lot of that state and local officials are doing, and then they are bringing the generators and the army corps of engineers on behalf of the federal team. they are working mostly initial response and supporting the governor, and now they are

getting into what i call the last part, how do we keep people safe while we try and put utilities back on. host: in terms of preparing for this, particularly the power outages, local officials and federal officials have a game plan for this sort of thing saying he can be without power for quite some time, do we have to do and you mentioned the mayor creatively having the buses running, offering air-conditioning for folks. how long can that sort of thing be sustained? guest: again, they will bring in more resources as this starts to get stable. as power comes on you are able to shrink the footprint down. the big concern for the city is a lot of these lines that came down where the main transmission lines. you saw the images of the tower. we already know that they will have to rebuild this, this will not be a quick fix. we have done this before.

superstorm sandy, a lot of the hospitals, the underground utilities were damaged by saltwater and we brought in very large generators to run that block, and if you remember you could run -- go down to where the hospitals work, roy after row of generators keeping them running because it would take a wild to repair underground utilities. these are things that as we get a better sense of what will come on quickly and what will take the longest, take sure that the critical infrastructure has the emergency power and fuel supply to keep that running while we again, support the process of getting the utilities back online. host: a glimmer of good news on the power front from the "times picayune." "some customers get power restored after hurricane ida," and the other piece of good news is that the levee system seem to

operate that way it was intended after repairs made 16 years ago after katrina. guest: it was not just repairs, we need to understand that this was a very large project that build a very strong levee system around orleans and other parishes that protect those areas. and, it performed as designed. i always put an asterisk on there, it worked in this storm, because things that we build mother nature has a tendency to overwhelm. it did that the -- the job it was designed to do which was to keep the storm surge out of the city. that is what killed everyone in the previous storms, when the levee systems failed and we had thousands of people cut off and losing their lives. it is designed to prevent that. it does not stop the rain inside of the levee is and it does not mean that it can be overtopped, but it is designed as a total

system to protect those areas and in this it did its job well. host: our guest is craig fugate eight, a familiar face here. the former administrator of fema, we welcome your calls and comments. those in the eastern and central time zones are 202-748-8000. that is the eastern and central time zones. mountain and pacific, 202-748-8001. and, if you have been impacted by hurricane katrina, the line is 202-748-8002 -- i said katrina, hurricane ida. the line is 202-748-8002. my apologies, i am getting the phone numbers mixed up. if you were impacted by hurricane ida, the line is 202-748-8002. certainly, it is not just the new orleans and mississippi and that region, now along the east

coast and new england will be affected by the rain let this storm is bringing. it did not bring as much rain as an -- as expected to parts of the south but bringing more than expected to parts of the appellations, the central part of the u.s. and up into new england by tomorrow and the next day. guest: this storm is not over, and if you look at the national weather service they have a concern about heavy rain and flooding and -- in pennsylvania and up into the northeast and the storm is not moving as fast, which is where you get into real trouble, persistent rain over regions. so, basically, if you are in the path of the remnants, you need to pay attention for flash flooding and flood warnings from the weather service over the next day or so. host: and watching it develop into the weekend, that storm seemed to really explode in size. in your opinion, is that

evidence of climate change affecting and accelerating the growth of a storm? guest: that is the trend we are seeing, rapid intensification. it has happened before but not with the frequency we have seen in the last 10 years. there is a lot of the data pointing to that two signals are clear when it comes to tropical systems is that we are seeing more rain because the old -- the atmosphere contains more moisture and the ocean waters are warmer. and, we are seeing the storms becoming major categories and rapid intensification. if you go back in the last decade we have seen a lot more of this than we have had in our recorded history of these hurricanes. host: based on the intensifying storms that we are seeing, is it time for fema and other agencies to reassess the protection of the infrastructure, how strong the infrastructure is against

potential storms that might hit it. guest: this goes back to the infrastructure bill. one of the big pieces that the people that the emergency management immunity was looking at is that the requirement to build resiliency into construction, and here is our problem we have built a lot of our infrastructure for past events, for past experiences, past frequency of these disasters. we are seeing a period of time where we are seeing more frequent and devastating disasters and the infrastructure was not billed for it. and neither for a lot of our systems like the evacuation plans that say we need five days to get ready to evacuate. rapid intensifiers might occur inside the planning window. we are having to look at this and go not only do we need to think differently about how we will prepare our communities, we have to make certain as we rebuild our communities we are not building back the way it was. a good example is the levee

protection system. we just did not fix the levee system. they built an entirely new system designed to prevent what happens during katrina, and the army corps of engineers, i want to be clear about this, that is an example of building resilient infrastructure. it does not mean that it will not fail, but it is unlikely to fail catastrophically. host: a headline, "a plea to louisiana evacuees after a storm, do not come home yet." how does that complicate the problem of recovery when evacuees try to return home early? guest: again, this is something we always struggle with. people want to get home and see how bad it is and start cleaning up, you don't have power and in many places they do not have water or water pressure or if they do have water it is under a boil water order. there is not a lot of resources. we already have the hospitals

filled with people with covid. coming back into the area, and this is something i think we lose track of, is how many people are seriously injured or lose their lives after the storm passes doing recovery, whether it is falls, traffic crashes, carbon monoxide poisoning's, a whole host of other things. the governor and local officials safely is, do not make it any harder on the rescuers and responders. and, keep yourself safe. when the power is on and it is safe for you to come back, we want you to come back right now you will not necessarily -- everybody's things that i will not cause a problem, gas stations are either out of gas or do not have power, stores are closed. you will just become another family that is going to need assistance that is competing with everybody else. if you are somewhere safe, and you can just stay another couple

of days, give local officials and responders time to start getting things safer, and, hopefully get power turned on in some areas so you can get back home and start cleanup. host: in our line for those affected were impacted by hurricane ida is 202-748-8002. we would love to hear your experience and how things are going. we will go for that line and hear from arnold, in texas. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing. first of all i thank god that we did not get hit directly, but i want to tell the federal government what they have done for us with the levees and all. i also have a problem with our mayor. you know, we were able to get out because we had money and i think that the city should have been evacuated. even though you did not get a direct hit the power went off. i have 40 and 50 people calling

me and i am cash apping money so they can get out. and i think the city could have done a better job at prevention at what is going on. host: what would precipitate an evacuation order from a city like new orleans? guest: it is based on how strong the storm is, what is the possibility of the levee system being overtopped and how much rain they could get inside. a lot of this goes back to -- a lot of our plans, particularly for urban areas require a lot of time to evacuate and with rapid intensifiers we are not getting the window to do that. so, they made a decision. there will be a lot of questions about that and unless you are in operation center with the mayor and the team you are second-guessing. i think this is something that we need to think about is, evacuation may not always be possible given the storms

occurring close to shore or rapidly intensifying and we need to look at other options. the question is do we always do a full evacuation, do woo wee evacuate parts of the community -- do we evacuate parts of the community. new orleans has not done this. we are coastal, we do not have the levee system but we rely upon evacuating people out of the flood zones. the question we will have to start asking is should we be looking at building safe areas closer to where people have to evacuate from so they do not have to go as far? with cities like new orleans and houston they have large evacuation areas. should we be thinking about other options or other facilities to shelter within communities for the population? again, this is something that is a challenge that we will have to look at, but again i will not

second-guess when people make a decision in this situation. i think we will get more of that when we get past the storm and we look at the after actions and going what were the options and what decisions got made. i always ask this question. i do not ask what went wrong, and i always ask what can we do differently? host: frank in birmingham, alabama. good morning. caller: my call was with reference to the evacuees in afghanistan, could i still make comments on that? host: we will talk about that in the next segment. so could you call back. mike in north carolina. caller: i had a question, with your experience with all of these hurricanes and stuff, i heard you say earlier that the underground utilities were affected by the saltwater.

what is your opinion, like i know it is kind of burying from the typography of being close to the ocean and stuff, which is the best way to go back with utilities, aerial or underground? guest: case-by-case. there is a utility in california that recently announced that they will go underground. in a utility in florida that has had a lot of hurricane response announced that they will start undergrounding. the primary reason not to underground has always been the cost. it is costly per mile because -- to do underground utilities. what they are finding after repeated events where they have lost power or they have had fire caused by power lines, or they had to rebuild the systems, that going underground long term make sense anymore resilient grid. whether we are underground or aboveground, all of that needs to be taken into consideration.

also, what are other options such as you are hearing a lot of terms like micrograms -- microgrids or smart metering or the example in california when they had power shut off they said if we had all of the electric vehicles that were plugged into the houses charging they could reverse that and use those batteries to power the homes, we could have make up the difference in the power that we had to conserve by shutting off power. think about it as we see more electrical vehicles that -- we even saw this in the texas freeze and people were running their house off of the truck generator. that might be something we see more in the future as we see this change to more electric vehicles that we build grids that when we lose the big transmission, we still have localized power available for our vehicles. host: you mentioned the texas winter problem with the grid. do you think the energy industry

itself has stepped up in terms of developing more advanced and harden infrastructure? switchgear and all the things that transformers and stuff like that to ask traut -- to survive extremes of the weather? guest: i think there is a lot of research that has developed techniques, some facilities are, but this is the flipside. utilities are regulated industries where your electric bill is regulated generally by your state, the public service commissioner or electric rate setters and there is a tension between utility operating costs and what it would cost to ratepayers. unfortunately i think we have been in this battle where we have been trying to keep prices low and not providing the capital to make these investments. this is something that i think regulators need to think about is we need to build our grids to be resilient to the destruction that we are seeing, and that

will cost money, how do we do this. part of it might be congress looking at this as ways to regulate or provide financial tax credits. but, i do not think it is a lack of what we need to do, it is how do we pay for it without excessively impacting ratepayers. host: russ, and texas. "is the habitation of certain lands not suitable for the type of infrastructure today along the coastlines in some states?" guest: we are getting there. in the state of louisiana governor edwards had already been identifying that there might be parts of the coastal areas that they either need to relocate or they might not be able to rebuild and this is on a case-by-case basis. it is not as simple as you should never rebuild, because of the oil industry, shipping, the seafood industry, these are areas that we cannot abandon, but i think we need to make decisions about how we rebuild,

where we should rebuild, and make sure we are building it for future impacts, not just back the way it was. host: let us hear from adam, from kentucky. go ahead. caller: question for your gas. in a full transparency, kind of a pro-fossil fuel guy. as we move towards this greener climate agenda can you speak to -- if you are going to harden the infrastructure, have you thought about hardening the baseload. we are stepping away from natural gas, and is that a good idea when you see that these events are getting stronger, how is it going to impact the wind and solar when the grid goes down and you get 150 mile an hour wind that come through a solar field, are they as resilient as a power plant or

something of that nature? guest: one of the problems we have with most of our generation capacity is not it is not located where it is consumed and that creates a single point of failure, the further away from the people the plants are, those transmission lines are a vulnerability. the advantage is a lot of the other technology is that you can do more generation near or at a point where it is consumed and that reduces the point of failure. just like anything else, the solar cells, those panels can be designed and engineered to go on rooms. -- on roofs. that is one of the things that the building code people are looking at, is higher standard roofs and you add solar you are not creating a wind problem or damages. it can be engineered. same thing with the wind turbines, they can shut down and secure and there will be failures. but that is all taking into

consideration that as we move away from big generation far away from where it is being consumed to more generation to where it is consumed, we reduce the frequency of big disruptions that we see, particularly in these types of hurricanes. when you knock out the transmission lines, that really reduces the ability to get power back up quickly, because you are doing more generation within and around the city, that what it been less than of a single point of failure. host: denise in washington. good morning. caller: good morning, i would like to ask you how fema is responding to the wildfires happening out here in the west. i know it is totally the opposite of what you are talking about. host: glad you brought that up, thank you. we have a sideline -- a headline from the cnn, the caldor fire,

lake tahoe resort city facing critical hours as the fire closes in threatening 44 -- 34,000 structures. guest: fema has been supporting the governors, this is where people say what is fema doing? we are generally in support of. on the wildfires it has been the financial existence -- assistance for fire costs on nonfederal land and we are starting to see because of the impacts to housing, major presidential disaster declarations helping people without insurance. a lot of what fema is doing in the wildfires is financial support to the state and local officials that are fighting fires on nonfederal land. obviously, that u.s. forest service is coordinating that with anterior for all of the federal lands. -- with the interior for the federal lands. and now you're seeing fema programs that are being turned

on to help the families. host: based on the summer, is it time for the forest service to reassess how they approach both managing forests and do we need to beef up the firefighting resources that are available at the federal level? guest: we were still implementing a lot of the changes to forest service is recommended, -- forest services recommended. we can spend more money fighting fires and we have to also look at why we are getting higher starts and how to manage the forest and what needs to be done. in some cases we have had, and this is a new policy that was implemented and we are not letting areas that should have fire as a reoccurring theme to manage the forest occur because we had a zero tolerance for wildfires. but they are starting to move away from that. some of these areas have not had any fires for so long that the amount of debris and vegetation is exceeding the capability to manage. so, in extreme drought these

fires literally -- there is nothing they can really do to try and put them out. it is really just keep people out of harms way and evacuate and hopefully get some better weather conditions to get the fires contain. host: we are focusing mainly on the effect of hurricane ida. your calls are welcome. eastern and central time zones, 202-748-8000. mountain and pacific, 202-748-8001. if you have been affected by the storm, 202-748-8002. we will go to new york next and hear from jim. in morning. caller: good morning. i was just wondering if we couldn't use navy ships to back feed the grid and maybe see -- save some lives? and i would just like to hear your comments. host: did you hear his question? guest: something about back feeding the grid, and again it

is rather interesting, it turns out if you buy an electrical vehicle, your batteries in your vehicle are generally two to three times what most family solar sister batteries are, -- system batteries are. this is exciting, vehicles are coming out with these chargers that can be wired into your home to act as basically uninterruptible power supply to feed your home. and that gives a whole lot of new possibilities of not having to run a generator or anything like that. if your vehicle is charge you could provide three to four days of power for your home. these are the things that as we start exploring electrical vehicles, from the standpoint of emergency managers, everyone is looking at this to reduce fossil fuels and emergency managers are looking at it saying you could run your house on this. as we see this happening to more and more homes, they might be

self-sufficient for several days because they have an ev and can run their home off of it. host: george from california asks "what measures are being taken for potential loss of vaccine and large gatherings of evacuees?" they might mean vaccine distribution or administrating? guest: vaccines are available and there is a little bit of disruption of the health care because they are focused on the response, but they will pick vaccines back up. the other thing is is if you are not vaccinated, but they are doing in the red cross shelters is that you have to wear a mask and they are taking the people who have had covid or been exposed to covid and isolating them, so they are doing a lot of the things we were doing last hurricane season during the covid. the big difference is that where people are vaccinated it does lower the risk. this is one of the things for

this hurricane season that was different, the message was last year was wear a mask and practice social distancing. this year was get vaccinated because if you do have to evacuate or go to a shelter it reduces your exposure risk. host: what is the traditional end of the hurricane season? guest: november 30. the hurricane season started issuing outlooks on may 15 and they usually start june 1. but we have seen storms occurring earlier. it is not uncommon to see storms occur later into december. i think there is only been one month on record where we have not had a tropical system in the history of keeping an ion the south. the peak of it is coming up. it is usually the same anniversary of september 11, it is that second week of september. that is usually considered the peak of hurricane season, and again, the atlantic tends to calm down earlier than the gulf

of mexico because the water is so warm out there. it will actually run into october or november with a fair amount of activity. we are not even into the peak of hurricane season. host: david and park hills, missouri. caller: i would like to address the situation you are talking about, the forest fires. back in the 60's i was in the job corps and it was fun. i learned heavy equipment operated and we invited the department of forestry and we were taught forest fire training. it was an option to the regular training we would pick up and we would be sent out of state to wyoming and all kinds of places for forest fires. over the years the job corps has been really gutted, but it is still part of the department of forestry, and this looks like we should -- exactly what we should reinvest in so that the youth of the country needs heavy

equipment operator and even the landscaping crews were taught tanker trucks. this is something that i really am trying to stir people up with and get the job corps running, especially with the heavy equipment and forest fire thing. this is a solution, i do believe. guest: you know, there are members of congress that agree with that. we are hearing a lot of talk about bringing back vestiges of the civilian conservation corps from the depression era. and, refocusing that on a climate conservation corps and doing the exact same thing. taking people, bringing them into employment, giving them skills and putting them out there to a lot of this work. from the standpoint of wildfires, there is a lot of stuff that can be done to make it safer. there a lot of things that can be done making fire breaks, working on fuel reduction, think about all of the floods in the

communities that do not have the resources to go in and do basic mitigation projects. there is a lot of interest in congress talking about bringing back a jobs program to take and basically match up with needs to do more on the climate impacts and helping communities, particularly those without a lot of resources and giving people skills. and so, there is actually legislation that is being introduced, people are talking about this, and i think this might be another opportunity, very similar to what we saw with the americorps programs, some of which are used to support forestry. a lot of the time they are doing recreational trails. they are also used for helping out with wildfires and they are also used in the hurricanes. they will be part of the chainsaw crews clearing roads. it is a good idea and i think there are people in support of

this and we will have to see what congress does. it might be a time to have a version of the civilian conservation corps, matching up jobs to the need to do a lot of this infrastructure improvement. host: as we talk about the continued effect of hurricane ida, this is a headline from florida, "tropical storm larry forms over eastern tropical atlantic." how early in the process do fema officials get involved in tracking storms like that for potential action by fema after the storm? guest: fema has done this for so long we have fema employees embedded in the national hurricane center. fema watches the tropics from almost year-round. as these storms form, one of the first things they look at is if this has any potential impact to the u.s.. again we have to remember this

includes the u.s. virgin islands and puerto rico. these are things that fema watches from the time there is a wave, they are monitoring. they do not wait until there is a hurricane. fema has staff at the hurricane center and at their regional offices in hurricane prone areas. they watch the tropics every day. host: i have to ask about your famous waffle house index that you developed. there is a headline in "usa today" about following that. what is that all about and how did you develop it? guest: in 2004 we were getting so many hurricanes and i was out in the field and anyone who has been in disaster response knows that if you can get a hot breakfast early in the morning you got it because you do not know if you will get anything else to eat. the only thing we found open down in hurricane charley was a waffle house. when we walked in they did not have a full menu they had a limited menu and the power had

gone out in the freezer was gone. the next day there was one open closer to the area of impact and we notice that if there was anything getting open, it was a waffle house. couple of folks came up with a start and it was the waffle house index. if it is closed, the roads are bad and the waffle house cannot get open. if it is limited menu, yellow, it is not bad it is a hard-hit area. green, it is not a critical area. full menu. host: virginia, good morning. caller: good morning. i have a question about these fires. has anybody given any thought to -- i know it is called arson, but what about if they are terrorists over the border walking into the country and lighting up these fires. has any thought been given to that. i will listen to my answer off

air. host: how much is arson a part of the fires out west to your knowledge? guest: there have been arsonists. they have arrested one. this is something that the forest service and the state forestry does, they investigate and find the cause of the fires. my home state of florida we have had cereal arsonists during peak fire weather seasons, so it is a problem, and it is something that it is important, i remember in florida they did not treat this as a serious crime until we got into a bad drought and it was important for the state attorneys to begin prosecuting arson news -- arsonists to the full extent of the law. this was not some prank and this is deadly. we have seen it happen with accidents where responsible parties at various events and fires getting out of control and other events causing a fire are being held responsible. they keep an eye on this.

they have investigators out to look for people who might be arsonists and try to stop it before it happens. host: j.p. in shady cove oregon. though ahead. caller: hello, good morning. i really thought your information about your knowledge based on the wildfires and forest conditions was spot on. my question does relate to wildfire management more so than the hurricanes. as you both know, the bootleg fire in southern oregon was clocked in at one heaven lever -- 111 mile per hour firenado, these are similar issues, extreme weather events and climate change. do you think we could do a better job managing these federal forests if we could build our workforce capacity in local communities? and do you think that fema could

help boost some of those financial backings? i will take my answer off of the air. guest: sure. fema would work with the state and local for the nonfederal lands. u.s. forest and interior has the federal lands. you are getting back to the point i talked about earlier is fuel reduction and managing that. that can be labor-intensive in areas that control burns might not be a best option. this is a cost, increasingly the u.s. forest service has to divert money to fighting fires away from managing the forest. this is something we need to look at, is putting more emphasis before the fires on managing the forest, managing fuel loads, looking at reduction of fuel loads, and other activities to reduce the severity of fires, and that is labor intensive and costly. but investments are must -- much

less costly than the devastation. host: fema administers the national flood insurance program and i wanted to get your response to recommendations made by the government accountability office earlier this summer, part of which they said congress should consider requiring fema to evaluate how its new flood risk information could be used to determine which properties should be subject to requirements. and, report to congress recommendations. gao is recommending that fema use information related to the requirement to increase consumer information in -- precipitation in the flood market. does that mean higher rates for those who need it? guest: it means higher rates for those high at risk. for some paying higher premiums would go down because a risk is not high. here is key point, too many people, too many families who own their homes who are not in the special flood risk area,

which people think is a flood zone that it is the insurance rate map, do not have flood insurance. it is the fastest, largest growing risk that people have. the problem is, more and more flood events are taking place beyond the high risk areas where fema has premiums set that can be rather expensive, and they are outside that special flood risk area, or outside of the risk area it is a flat rate for flood insurance. generally 300 or $400 for your home until you get the full coverage on it. most people find out the hard way that if they have had flooding and they do not have flood insurance their traditional policy will not cover it. part of the recommendation is getting more people both in the special risk flood area, but more importantly people who do not live in the highest risk areas but still are at risk of flooding to take on flood insurance.

as we saw in 2016 in the baton rouge floods and hurricane harvey, more and more families were flooding and did not have flood insurance because they did not live in a flood zone -- they were told they did not live in the flood zone. we are going to see a lot of significant flooding where people do not have flood insurance because somebody told them you do not live in the flood zone. that is not true. that means your risk and dashes lower and the insurance is not as expensive. but without insurance the homeowners policy will not cover the rising water. host: i was going to -- this is from kentucky. caller: i wanted to talk about new orleans. my wife and i went every year. we wanted to go back when the french quarter is back up and running again. they need the tourist industry.

if you get a chance go over there, it is one of our favorite cities. i want to tell you, bill, you are looking marvelous today. host: thank you for your call. any final thoughts? guest: i have grown up going to new orleans, part of my family lives out there. i love the city and he is right. once they get the power back on and do their cleanup, hopefully covid, we get that under control. it is a tremendous city to visit. and when he gets back to normal, it is on my list to get back to visit. host: credit for gait, -- craig fugate, we a >> the household that security committee holds a committee to look back at the 9/11 terrorist attacks and how the natio