nobody is being held responsible, including the judges of the pfizer courts. this is already said. thank you -- this is all really sad. >> we take you live grundy, virginia where gubernatorial candidates glenn youngkin and terry mcauliffe are participating in a debate hosted by the appalachian school of law. >> to provide opportunities for its students to realize their dreams of practicing law. there is hardly more of an appropriate venue than a law school for a discussion of societies foundational pillars.

thank you, and our candidates, for engaging in this important democratic exercise. >> live from the campus of the appalachian school of law in grundy, virginia, the 2021 debate for governor. sponsored by the appalachian school of law and the virginia association of broadcasters. >> welcome. i am susan page of usa today. it is my honor to moderate this important event, the first debate in this years gubernatorial contest in virginia. we are joined tonight by the two major candidates to be the next governor of the commonwealth, former governor terry mcauliffe, the democratic nominee and business executive lynn juncker and -- glenn youngkin, republican nominee. joining me on the panel are

candace burns, anchor at cbs six news in richmond and dr. bob hall's worth the founding director -- dr. bob halsworth the founding director of -- the 2 -- -- the three of us will pose questions. these are the time limits candidates agreed to honor. 60 seconds for a candidate to respond to a question. 60 seconds for the other candidate to respond to the same question, or, a related one posed by a panelist. then, 30 seconds for a panelist -- for follow-up by the second candidate. panelist may choose to ask follow-up questions. later in the hour, the candidates would have five minutes to ask each other questions. at the end of the debate, they will make closing statements. we know that both candidates

feel passionately about their positions. it can be hard to keep track of the time. we are here to help. there are timekeepers with cards facing the candidates. a green card means you have 30 more seconds to speak. a yellow card means you have 10 seconds. a red card means your time is up. thank you in advance for honoring the rules you agreed to. we want to have a debate that is civil, that is fair, and, most of all, that is helpful to the voters of virginia as they make up their minds which candidate to support. with that, the first question. as a result of a coin toss, we will start with glenn youngkin. more than 12,000 people in virginia have died from covid-19. more than 800,000 have been diagnosed with the virus. after some progress, the delta variant has made things worse. president biden last week

ordered sweeping new vaccination requirements affecting federal employees, private companies with 100 or more employees, and others. most republican governors have a valid to challenge the constitutionality of his actions. as governor, would you challenge bidens mandates in court? would you urge companies in virginia to comply with or defy the president's mandates affecting their workers. you have 60 seconds. glenn youngkin: this is that important topic now. let me start with my position on vaccines. i have been a strong advocate for everyone to get the vaccine. i believe that individuals should be allowed to make that decision on their own. that is why i launched a public service announcement to encourage people to get the vaccine. i believe that right now, we face a real difference between my opponent and me. although just five weeks ago he was pretty much in my same

position, encouraging businesses to make their own decision. but, he changed that position when it came politically expedient. i think what we need to do now is make sure that everyone in virginia understands that getting the vaccine is that the most important thing we can do. that is why i invited terry to do a pse with me -- a pay essay -- a psa with me. we will make sure that that's why i am leading virginia, we will -- when i am leading virginia, we will provide all of the best information. >> your time is up. very quickly, yes or no, would you challenge the constitutionality of bidens mandates in court. -- in court? glenn youngkin: i don't believe president biden has the authority to dictate we have the vaccine. but, i would encourage everyone to get the vaccine. >> terry mcauliffe, you have set a goal that every child in

virginia be vaccinated. but you would not mandated. you would leave that to the school district. but virginia, the state, already requires students to have 11 different vaccinations at various ages to attend school. covid is a more dangerous health threat to them today than polio or other diseases. my question is, should the state and covid, -- add covid to that list and require all students who are age appropriate to get a color chart too? terry mcauliffe: i have been very upfront about people getting vaccinations. i have called on employers to mandated for employees and on everyone who work -- works in a hospital to be vaccinated. i have called for any individual who works in a long-term care facility and everyone who works in k-12 and attends higher education. i have been strong on this from day one. glenn and i differ on this issue.

he told college students that if you do not want to take the vaccine, just fill out an exemption. i think that is life-threatening. i think that is disqualifying as governor. he does not believe in forcing people to understand what covid is going to do to the state and the country. it is still raging across the country. right here in this county, all of the icu beds are full. i am for requiring and mandating vaccination. he is not. he likes to do psa's. psa's will not get you anything. i want every one -- everyone to be vaccinated in virginia. >> would you add covid to the list of required vaccines for students? >> above the age of 12. the fda has not done analysis for under 12. >> for students above 12, would you support adding to covid vaccine? terry mcauliffe: absolutely. i want everybody vaccinated. covid is not going away.

it could be here for 18 months. i am showing leadership. i am not doing psa's. >> thank you. glenn youngkin, you have 30 seconds to respond. glenn youngkin: what you we are tonight -- will hear tonight for my opponent will be a series of lies, excuses, and radical positions. he just started. he pulled a lot of lines about my positions during this campaign. he just told the biggest. my position on this vaccine has been clear. i encourage all virginians to get the vaccine. we will work together that -- to make sure you have all the information you need to feel good about it. my opponent wants to make life difficult for people who do not get the vaccine. i think virginians have suffered enough without ever having a governor make their life difficult. terry mcauliffe: he is not requiring vaccination. that is a different point -- the difference between the two of

us. a psa is a political stunt. it is a tough job to be governor. your job is to keep folks safe. he is denying that he told college students to fill out an exemption. that is not true. he is telling college students, if you do not want to get it, do not get it. that is this what a fairing -- disqualifying in my book. glenn youngkin: can i have 15 seconds? he called me anti-vaxxers. -- andy -- anti-vsx. that is a lie. he appointed a woman to the george mason board it was absolutely anti-vax. i support the vaccine. terry mcauliffe: who cares about

a psa. half the people do not care who you are on tv. i am for mandating vaccinations for people who teach our children, for children in higher ed, hospitals, nursing homes, i want you vaccinated. >> we will go to the next question. candace burns will ask that. candace: the pandemic revealed major problems within the virginia employment commission. the agency has been overwhelmed with claims and news worms -- newsrooms around the commonwealth have been inundated with calls. virginians have been left in limbo with no expiration. the vec says it has clear the backlog, but thousands are still waiting for their cases to be reviewed. the agency faces a class-action lawsuit. how can you ensure virginians that the vec will be fixed and will be held accountable with another disaster occurs? >> i will make sure all of our agencies work.

i worked in a bipartisan way with my republican legislator. we worked together on transportation, veterans affairs, education. that is why so many republicans have endorsed me already. we work together fixing trends in part -- fixing transportation when we had a broken agency. we came up with smart scale, that became the model for the rest of the united states. i will invest time, resources, whatever we need. when i came into government before, our economy was in chaos. i created 200,000 new high-paying jobs. personal income went up 14%. i got thousands of people health care. i leaned in. my first mobile -- gold will be to get everybody off of unemployment. but for those who may need it, we will fix any agency. i did this in a bipartisan way. that is why so many republicans have endorsed my candace the. -- my candidacy. >> we have seen a failed rollout of the vaccine. virginia was ranked 50th in the

rollout. then, we have seen the virginia employee and dutch employment commission that is supposed to be there to support -- the virginia employment commission, that is supposed to support those virginians who could not get claims processed. it took a supreme court ruling to get them to go to work. i believe this is what you get when you put people into these jobs have never run a business or never run anything in their life. i will go to work on day one. we will make government work for virginians. we will go to work on the virginia employment commission and the dmv and introduce the concept of customer service, not flawed process that actually processed $50 million of false claims and could not process the ones that legitimate virginians who needed help could get. this is what a leader does. fixes problems. i will go to work fixing problems. >> i have a record of creating

jobs. glenn youngkin worked at the carlisle group -- thecarlyle group before they threw him out. they raised rent. they bought nursing homes. they neglected seniors. people died, including five in the commonwealth of virginia. i have a record of creating high-paying jobs. your record at carlyle group's outsourcing jobs to foreign countries. we do not need that at the commonwealth of virginia. >> your time is up. >> can i have 30 seconds? again, terry mcauliffe is very comfortable telling lies. these concepts are bogus. the reality is he felt so good about carlyle group that he invested millions of dollars in his money that bill clinton let him scrape off of the money he

was writing for the clinton foundation. terry, thank you for the endorsement. if you can trust me with your money, the rest of virginia can trust me. >> it was not you i was trusting, because i lost it. it was not a good investment. >> i am sorry, your time is up. these are not the rules that bob or candace and i made up. these are the roles that your campaign negotiated. bob is going to pose the next question. >> settle down. we are in a region of virginia this evening. i would like to ask you about

coal, climate change, and a strategy for revising the southwest economy. governor northam signed the clean economy act mandating zero carbon emissions to 2050 goal your opponent would have moved to 2035. would you explain to people how your plans for the southwest virginia economic recovery would differ from that of governors north from ed terry mcauliffe question -- governor northam ed terry mcauliffe? -- and terry mcauliffe? >> i am humbled to be here tonight. in this part of virginia, what we have seen is a dramatic lack of participation and support from richmond. last week, i was in her early, -- hurley, visiting with those unfortunate people who lost their homes. there was even a death. richmond has to go to work for southwest virginia. it has not done that so far.

there are incredible opportunities here to go to -- to grow the economy, to invest in new jobs. we have not seen richmond deliver. we should be a hub for logistics. we must invest in infrastructure , broadband, across southwest virginia. the coalfield expressway has to be completed so we can become a center of commerce. we have to go to work and not just give them to promises. that is what i will do as governor of virginia. i will go to work for southwest virginia. terry mcauliffe: -- bob: would you sign the clean economy act as governor? glenn youngkin: no, i would not have. i believe we can tackle bringing down omissions -- emissions in virginia without putting forth a plan that not even executives at the utilities believe is doable. it will increase virginians bills by up to $1000 a year and puts our entire energy grid at risk all in play for political purpose. >> thank you.

>> i believe in all energy sources. we can use wind and solar but we need to preserve clean natural gas. we can in fact have a reliable energy grid. >> terry mcauliffe? terry mcauliffe: of course i would sign it. i am calling for clean energy by 2035. when i think of clean energy, i think of jobs, thousands and thousands of new jobs. that is our future. when i was governor, i signed the first offshore federal lease for wind turbines. we have two turbines right now 27 miles off the coast of virginia beach lighting up 3000 homes. we have four permits. when they get approved for three years, we will have 200,000 turbines out there lighting up 500,000 homes.

>> we are having technical problems with this live event. we are working to fix you. -- we are working to fix the issue. >> in this region, we need to be manufacturing. right now, they are man u -- a lot of turbines are manufactured in europe and then brought to new york and assembled. forget that. i want them assembled here. let's build in portsmouth, the biggest in america.

those job would be throughout the entire a commonwealth the -- the entire commonwealth of virginia, the welders, the electricians. we will be the hub when i am governor. i believe in clean energy. when trump pulled us out of the paris climate accorded was bad for america. >> we see challenges in getting to the goals set in the original virginia economy act. my opponent wants to accelerate them and destabilize our entire grid. we have seen what happens in california when you do not have a reliable energy grid. if you like what you just heard from my opponent, get ready for blackouts and brownouts and an unreliable grid. we can do this with common sense. we should embrace all energy sources. yes, when, yes, solar. but, we cannot dismantle reliable, natural gas. >> virginia law now bans abortions in the third time mr.

-- trimester in a pregnancy unless three doctors certify the pregnancy would kill the woman or impair her health. some critics say this puts an undue word and on those in rural areas where dr. -- burden on those in rural areas where doctors are scarce. there has been a proposal to reduce the number of doctors to one and change the medical standards to the damage of a woman's health. if the virginia legislator passed that proposal, would you sign it into law? you have 60 seconds. >> the issue here is, in order for a woman to get an abortion in the third trimester, you have to have a primary doctor certified and then two other doctors. the problems you have in rural parts of the state is there are not three doctors. so, that puts women in rural communities at a disadvantage. if they came up with a solution, the woman's life has to be in danger. if you have a legitimate doctor that says this woman's life is in danger, i will support that.

that is the difference. my opponent, as you know, wants to ban abortions. he has said that. he got caught secretly on tape saying "i will go on offense to defund planned parenthood and ban abortions." then he said, we will not tell the voters about it. if we -- if they find out, independence will not vote for me. but i can tell you, women watching tonight, i was a brick wall. i kept our women's clinics open when i was governor. if we allow this texas law, i can tell you this, amazon, google, facebook. it is dangerous for the woman's life and is also crippling to the virginia economy. >> in recent years, eight states have enacted bans on abortion after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, out about the six week of pregnancy. most have been blocked by the courts. this month, a texas bandit go into effect.

the texas law includes -- band -- ban did go into effect. if the virginia legislature passed a fetal heartbeat ban on abortion that occlude -- included exceptions for riep, --rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother, would you sign it? >> this is a sensitive and personal topic. i appreciate the fact that you would like to write legislation with me. i think the texas bill now is the standard now we are looking at. i would not sign the texas bill today. i am pro-life. i believe in exceptions in the case of rape and incest and when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. the texas bill is also unworkable and confusing. what we are not doing this evening is talking to my opponent about his extreme views. my opponent does not want to

talk about this topic tonight. because, he called legislation that would enable abortion paid for with taxpayer money all the way through birth where the child is cap comfortable while -- kept comfortable while i decision is made whether the child lives or dies. he said he would sign it. my opponent wants to be the abortion governor and i want to be the jobs governor. >> you said you would not sign the texas law. i am asking about the texas -- i am not asking about the texas law. i am asking about a law that hands abortion when a fetal heartbeat can be attempted and includes the exceptions you support. would you sign that law? >> susan, we can write legislation together. what i have said is that i do believe that a pain threshold bill legislation would be appropriate. again, i hope you will ask my opponent what object since --

objections he has to wear abortions should be stopped so we can understand. >> are you satisfied with that answer? >> i think that is the answer i will get. >> i will say this again to every woman watching tonight. i will protect your warrants -- your rights. i believe a woman ought to make your own decision about her reproductive rights. i was a brick wall while i was governor. i vetoed all the bills that he would have proposed to ban abortion and defund planned parenthood. i support the laws we have on the books today. i would like to see, because i am terrified today about what has happened with the trumpet supreme court. i am terrified to -- with the trump supreme court. i am terrified they will overthrow roby right -- roe v. wade. >> my opponent is comfortable not letting truth get in the way of anything he says. just this week, the washington post gave him more pinocchio's.

as i have said, i am pro-life. i believe in exceptions for r ape, incest, and when the mother's life is at risk. i would not sign the texas bill. my opponent is the most extreme pro-abortion candidate in america today and he is marketing as virginia as the place to get an abortion as opposed to the place to do business. >> i support a woman's right to make her own decision through the second trimester. that is what i support. guess what? 80% of virginians agree with what i just said. they do not agree with glenn youngkin who got caught on tape saying he would ban abortions and defund prep -- planned parenthood. >> i will go on offense for jobs. >> at this point, the candidates have a chance to ask each other questions.

each candidate has 15 seconds to ask a question. the other candidates has a 60 seconds to respond. as a result of a coin toss, glenn youngkin will -- terry mcauliffe will ask his question first. >> the other day at a cancer facility patients there were getting chemo. do believe that nurse there treating that immuno compromised cancer patient, should she be required to be vaccinated? >> i think that nurse should fully understand that getting the vaccination is the best way to protect her health and the health of those around her. what is happened in our hospital system, and i have spoken with heads of hospital systems all over virginia, and what they know is they fought the spread of covid with policies, with procedures, with testing. not with mandates. here we go again.

my opponent wants to mandate. i respect your ability to make decisions. that is what leaders do. if you disagree with terry mcauliffe, he will make your life difficult. he wants to make virginians life difficult now. we need to come together and work together through the pandemic. the last thing we need is a governor that will go to work to make everyone's life difficult. you appointed adrian bennett chair of your parole board. a report said they violated state laws and said she wrote emails that said "wave your wad of power, cut them loose." -- your wand of power, cut them loose." would you appointer again? >> if anyone did something appropriate, they would be removed. i have not been governor for

four years. i always invested in parole. i put resources in it. i tried to lift everybody up. when i was governor i had the lowest recidivism rate of any state and the lowest crime rate of any major state. i would always bring resources to bear. glenn, if something went wrong, i would fix it. that what i always did. that is the difference between you and me. your plans, your economic plans, would run virginia into a ditch. three independent studies have just come out. you cut 10 billion from education. teachers would lose their jobs. that is not how you lift up virginia. the most important issue facing virginia is election integrity, those are your words. i do think that is the most important issue. that is the trump crazy stuff. i think the most important issue is job creation. that is what i will work on. >> thank you. we will take a 92nd break then

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candace burns and bob and i will ask another round of questions. next question from candace. >> after george floyd's murder, widespread demonstration called for police reform and transparency. both of you have promised to bring people together while keeping virginia safe. that was the trust and accountability. in march, former law officials wrote a letter to congress conquering -- calling for an end of qualified unity for police officers. they argue that police need to trust other people they serve but they say that people do not trust law enforcement because they do not believe police are held accountable. they point to the qualified immunity doctrine, a controversial policy that protects officers accused of filing the constitution while on duty.

you have promised to oppose all efforts to end it for law enforcement in the commonwealth. what then is your plan to restore and maintain trust in communities where police serve? how would you make certain that officers who violate the civil rights of citizens are held accountable? >> virginia today is at a 20 year high in murder rates. my opponent is not surprised by that because when he was governor, it went up 43%. we see a -- across agencies in the commonwealth of virginia, and absolute depletion of resources. we have a funding problem but we also have a morale problem. qualified immunity protects law enforcement heroes from for -- frivolous civil lawsuits. i have not met a single law-enforcement hero who does not want to root out bad police but we will protect qualified

immunity and my opponent will get rid of it. that is why 50 sheriffs endorse me. that is why my opponent only has four. that is because law enforcement trusts me to stand up for safe communities and invest the funds necessary to make sure virginia is safe again. >> would you end qualified immunity? >> no. it is called that for a reason. any officer acting in good faith should and -- could and should have the full protections. you don't want them risking their lives and us not having their backs. if you have a law enforcement officer who breaks the law, that is where it ends. i will always step up and protect our law enforcement because they are out there every day protecting us. when i was governor, i did decompression pay for the sheriffs. i got a thousand net benefits,

pay raises for law enforcement and the state police. i leaned in every day and guess what? that is why i am the only governor in our history to be an honorary sheriff. i am proud they gave me that award but the most important thing is when i was governor, we had the lowest crime rate of any major state in the u.s. not second, not third, the lowest. why? i invested, and lifted up and brought committees together. >> thank you. you have 30 seconds. >> where i started, you will hear lies, excuses, and extreme policies. but my opponent has done and recounted on what he said when he tried to get the nomination is that he would reform or remove qualified immunity. that is why the law enforcement community does not trust him. standing up for virginians is more than rhetoric, political statements. it is about actions. that is why they trust me.

we will work together to invest in law enforcement, bring communities together and reestablish virginia as one of the safest places as opposed to having four of the most deadliest cities today. >> i can speak to my record. had the lowest crime rate in america. i got the rewards from the sheriffs association and others. i work very closely. what i worry about is if you look at his economic plan, it was written about the other day, it will defund the police. his cuts will be so severe that $250 million will be cut from the sheriffs and 130 million will be cut from law enforcement. that is what you will get. this was written the other day in washington post. three independent analysis have come out on his plan, which is what -- >> thank you.

he will ask the next question. >> your position on the budget and taxes, they are starkly different from his which will have three days and robots along with new restrictions on the fiscal authority of local government in raising property taxes. can you explain what you are not proposing tax reductions and exactly, what stake in this election for the future of the commonwealth as voters choose between your competing ideas? >> first of all, the governor does not do property taxes. that is a local issue. but i will do is build a booming economy as i did before. create a large amount of revenue, i left with a surplus. when i came into office, i had to call it a special session. had to erase a $2.4 billion hole in our budget. if you look at glenn's plan, it has been ridiculed, panned. the roanoke times said it would run us into the ditch.

washington post said it would do that. his plan would take $10 billion out of education. it would cut 43,000 teacher right here. 266 teachers would be lost. these are not my words. three independent rewards -- reports have said this. his advisors, donald trump trump, stephen moore. >> your time is up. thank you, mr. mccullough. >> so, you know, god made me with a big nose. he has wrapped up so many pinocchio is that you cannot sit in the building. everything he has said is categorically false. the studies he is claiming that have been written or not in my plan. if you read it, you would know that. just yesterday, the jefferson

institute came out with a scoring of your plan that it would cost virginians $8 billion. 55 hundred dollars per virginian. by the way, if he is your next governor, get your checkbook out. he will have to raise taxes for you. my plan is to recognize that our economy stalled under his leadership. the states around us have blown by us. we gotta bring down the cost of living because the liberals in richmond have been overtaxing virginians to the tune of $2.6 billion and do it again. that is your money and he thinks it is your money. >> we had a surplus this year. that is because of the funds we got from the federal government $14 billion. do not think it is a permanent. you want to give that back in tax cuts. let me show you how it works. have coaster runny day found. it is not your money to give

back. learn the law. it is my turn, excuse me. this is not a carlisle boardroom. what i would do and make sure to grow the economy is bring in jobs that will create a huge economic research -- surplus. >> give extra time because of the election -- interruption but now it is up. >> one quick question. would you support any law that would weaken any virginian with the work -- right to work? >> absently not but my opponent well. he looked at a camera and he said that when a bill comes to his desk and he will sign it. every union endorsed him and he collected tens of millions of dollars from the unions for his campaigns. if we lose right to work, it

will be the death knell for virginia business. my opponent will get rid of it. >> final word on this? >> my opponent likes to bash the folks out there every day trying to make a living. i am trying to raise the minimum wage and he is against it. he has been hundreds of millions of dollars. he doesn't want to give some health care worker who is clean bedpans all day, $15 an hour and give her benefits. there is a huge difference here. i want to help workers here. i am for paid sick days. i think it is unbelievable that some but it with covid and serious illness has to go into work because they cannot afford not to. >> former president donald trump has endorsed your campaign and you have embraced it this month, he raise questions about the integrity of this election, as he has about his and others without evidence. he said, you know how they cheat in elections, virginia's

governor election, you better watch it. you have a close race there but it is not close if they cheat. my question: you believe there has been significant fraud in previous virginia elections and do you agree with the former president that emme kratz may cheat and this one? have 60 seconds. -- the democrats. >> this is a democracy issue we are talking about. not a republican or dealt -- democrat. my opponent, when bush beat gore, he stared into the screen and said they took the president from us. he never acknowledge that the president wasn't legitimately elected president paired dive said over and over again that joe biden is our president. i wish he wasn't. i wish ef -- handled afghanistan better. when he campaigned with you, you embraced him. i think we need to invest in our

election system. just like florida did to the point where there election system is trusted by all voters. virginians deserve that. that is the kind of investment i will make when i am governor. i will invest in making sure voter rolls are updated. everyone will show up with an id. virginians will trust our -- >> your time is up. you said you did not think there is significant fraud but do you agree with donald trump that democrats may cheat in this one? yes or no. >> note. i think we will have a clean, fair election. >> to watch your campaign ads, virginia voters may think donald trump is on the ballot. when you had a chance to ask him a question, you mentioned trump. as you have in many of your ads. why have so many of your paid ads and rhetoric mentioned trump in an election focused on the

people of virginia and in election that presumably should be focused on your own proposals for what you would do as governor? >> short. my opponent is a trump want to be. he has been endorsed by him three times. he has said i am honored to have his endorsement. he is quoted saying that so much of the reason why i am running is because of donald trump. he is the one who has inserted him here. we know the damage he has done to this country. look at the damage he has done on vaccines, had he taken the crisis sooner, many americans would still be alive. thousands of virginians. he is the one who considered them. he said so much of the reason he is running is because of donald trump's. he is following all the policies. his economic advisor is donald trump's. that is fair. we are past all of that. we had a great eight year run

here. open and welcome to everyone. hundreds of thousands of new jobs. we moved forward. we will not go back and the last thing, he spent his campaign talking about election integrity. it is the only thing on his website. >> thank you. i have the same follow-up question for each of you. if the state certifies that you lost this election, even narrowly, will you pledge tonight to recognize the other as the governor? >> absolutely but i do not expect that to be the case. what he has done tonight is once again, glossed over his real record. over the last eight years, virginia has created 44,000 jobs. the states around us has created six-eight times that amount.

that is the legacy you left for virginia. they are not the job opportunities they want. that is why it might day one game plan is to get virginia moving. >> if the state verifies -- if the state certifies that you lost this election, even narrowly. what you pledge tonight to recognize him as the legitimately elected governor? >> absolutely. we are going to win. we had a great record. he talks about day one plan. it will be to unleash covid because he doesn't believe we should mandate vaccinations. i remind you that when i was leaving office in 2017, i was invited to his conference. he sat there, praised me and said how did you do it? governor, how did you trade

those jobs? how did you make virginia the great state? those were his words. i don't know what has happened since then but he praised me. >> next question from candace burns. >> school districts are explored how to address race and gender in schools. virginia passed a law to better protect transgender and non-binary students. the department of education issued expanded policies starting this year. there has been backlash. those who disagreed with the school and some school boards have rejected or delayed adopting the states policies altogether. should school board members who are elected by voters be able to make their own policies without facing penalties? >> they should be making their own decisions.

i hate all this divisiveness going on today. i hate to see our children being demonized today. i am talking about tilling this new economy like i did before. i cannot do it without the best education system in the country. we are the number one state for business twice in the last two years. we are the number one state in america for higher read. those are facts. we are doing great. we gotta make sure we are taking it to the next level. i have a real plan, not one that will cut teachers. $2 billion. i will raise pay above the national average for the first time ever. every student in virginia will have broadband within two years. i will make sure we diversify our teacher base but i want a school community that will love and respect one another. i worked in a bipartisan way with these legislature to make sure we were adding more

courses. >> thank you. >> critical race theory is a term that has become controversial with school board meetings and causes confusion in terms of definition. you have promised to ban it and in recent interviews, you said that it has moved into all schools in virginia but you provided little proof for this claim paired there is no statewide list of schools that teach it that would allow for an objective count. how do you define crt and can you explain how you can have inclusion in schools? >> critical race theory is in our schools were quite a while. the first instance i can find was during terry's time as governor. the board of education ran a training session and in fact,

had a module teaching it in the classroom. you go to the board of education website and one of the recommended books is the foundation of critical race theory in education. to think it is not in our schools is absolutely bogus. the problem with it is it teaches our children to actually view everything through a lens of race. in direct contravention to the words of martin luther king who asked us to judge one another waste on the content of our character and not the content -- color of our skin. he wants to lower standards in schools and press forward which would leave every child behind. >> your time is up. thank you. your time is up. >> his education plan would cut 43,000 teachers. do your own independent

analysis. he is talking about critical race theory. it is not taught in our schools but i hate that this is a big dog whistle it divides. i am about bringing people together. we have a great k-12. we are ranked fourth. we gotta do up work. 50% of our schools are 50 years old. we got a rebuild and rebuild. we got all this money from the federal government which he said was unnecessary. >> your time is up. >> we are almost out of time. we want to ask one final question. >> i will go quickly. he keeps mischaracterizing and lying about my education program. we will decide over the largest education budget in the history of the state. he doesn't like the effects of makes up his own. the problem is today --

>> thank you. we want to -- we want to make sure we save time for the closing statements. i want to ask a question, 30 seconds each. virginia is a state with a long and complicated history. last week, there were motions -- strong emotions went robert e. lee statue was taken out in richmond. what went through your mind when you stop that statue come down. mr. mccullough? >> i was happy. they were signs of divisions and hate. i always try to make this commonwealth and opening and welcoming place. i leaned in, i band the confederate flag. i do not want any symbols of racism or division. we will only be successful if we work together, join together, get people vaccinated, invest and educate -- education but we will not recruit these jobs if

we have somebody who is -- >> what went through your mind when you saw the statue come down? >> what i thought was, the statement i heard from when he was governor was that those should be left alone. i felt the supreme court's decision reflected the law locally, the decision was made to bring this statute down. that is why believe these decisions should be made. we should keep them in the museums to not airbrush our history. if you not know our history, we are destined to repeat it. this is a way of bringing virginians together, allow a path forward as opposed to looking backwards. >> we want time for these closing statements. each candidate will have two minutes to make a closing statement. as a result of a coin toss, mr. young kim, you will go first. >> i want to thank my wife.

thank you for making me better every day. my fellow virginians, we live in turbulent and challenging times. my opponent wants to paint over that reality with mistruths, excuses, and extreme positions. he wants to distract you from those issues that are most important to us today as we come together to build a better day paired how do we work and live through this pandemic? how do we provide a great education for our kids? how do we make the committee safe again? my opponent's countable line but the numbers do not. over taxation and regulation stalled out our economy and it never recovered. we ranked 44th in the nation in job recovery we have a 20 year high in murder rate. they embrace radical groups who want to defund the police and close prisons. we watched our education system fill our children's because of teacher humans.

the cost of living is running away from us. you have a joint. do you want tired, old recycled possible -- policies from retired politicians or do you want a business leader who will make it? who will reduce your cost of living by cutting taxes. we will reinvest in law enforcement. we will we invigorate our job markets. we will create 400,000 jobs and fostered 10,000 new startups. we will reestablish an expectation of excellence in our schools by investing the largest education budget in the history of virginia. we will make virginia's government work for us as opposed to telling us what to do. my fellow virginians, it is about leadership. today, i ask for your vote. i ask you to partner with me to make virginia the best place in america to live and work and raise a family. >> you have two minutes. >> let me think the appellation

school out for having us and i think you were having us. i have my wife here with me, i think her. 13 million more meals were served to children my last year in office and i thank her for that. covid is tough. most of the analysis says it will be with us for 18 months. need somebody with experience who has done this before and lead us through it. and i was governor before, i came in with a economy in chaos. i created 200,000 new jobs. personal income one up 14%. i did it by working in a bipartisan way. i did this on education, transportation, and so many other issues. we worked together. i have 20 big plans. if you go to our websites. real plans. we gotta pay our teachers more.

we gotta make sure every child has access to broadband. i want to lower health care premiums and drug prices. i will get us a waiver. i will stand up market virginia. we will get those down. it is why so many republicans have endorsed me. former delegates, one of the most conservative writers in america. teri has the experience of getting this done. that is what we need here in virginia. we got tough times ahead. we cannot go in with a candidate who is too extreme. he is a trump want to be. he is endorsed by donald trump three times. he said he was honored to have his endorsement. he wants to ban -- abortions here. the issue we talked about was election integrity. the big issue i am talking about our jobs, economic development, that is how you grow. he has gone as far to say that so much of the reason i am running is because of donald

trump. let me be clear to all of you. i am running for you. thank you very much and please vote. >> that concludes this illuminating debate. our thanks to the school of law and to the both of you. on behalf of candace, bob, and myself, our thanks to the voters for watching and voting. over -- early voting begins tomorrow. election day is november 2. good night. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we are funded by these television companies and more, including media,. >> the world change but we were ready. internet tracking sword and we did not slow down.

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>> at 1 p.m. on january 6, the house and senate met in an hour later, a mob entered the capital with the intention of disrupting the vote. as the protesters moved closer to the senate and house chambers, vice president pence and speaker pelosi were evacuated to safe locations. minutes later, security officials ushered house majority leader steny hoyer and other congressional leadership off the house floor. with tension rising in the building, the house and senate abruptly recessed. >> without objection, the house is going to go back into recess. >> there were a few dozen members of congress and the house chamber at that time, including representatives jamie raskin and brian fitzpatrick.

fitzpatrick was debating on the floor january 6, but the day prior, he and his wife. their son, who had died less than a week earlier. here is his story. >> on january 5, we had a family gravesite service -- rep. raskin: on january 5, we had a family gravesite service to bury my son tommy. the whole family was there. i think 25 was the state limit in maryland for the number of people who could gather under covid-19. so, it was obviously a terribly painful and emotional day for all of us. the next day was t