we asked them to expand on this and other stories from his book, the afghanistan papers. >> craig whitlock on this week's episode of book notes. >> house democrats failed to reach an agreement thursday on infrastructure package they hoped to vote on. they will be back this morning to try again as early as 9:30 a.m. eastern. we will have live house coverage here on c-span. >> the house failed to reach an agreement last night.

also, colorado's congressman will continue the discussion on federal spending deadlines facing congress and the recent troop withdrawal from afghanistan. washington journal is next. host: congress averted a government shutdown by approving a short-term funding bill. that's about as far as it got. they push the pause button on an infrastructure bill push as negotiations continue on a bill that liberals insist be part of the deal. it is the start of the new fiscal year. we would like to open our phones to hear from you as we await the house coming in sometime after

9:30 a.m. with a vote on infrastructure. lines were republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. and dependent voters and all others, (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text (202) 748-8003. tell us where you are texting from and your name. we look for your posts on facebook as well. we mentioned the majority leader in the house same the house won't come in any earlier than 9:30 a.m. we will go live to the house when they do that. 2.5 hours of conversation on what's going on ahead of us here on washington journal. we will start calling it. we have some new reporting from the hill.

the headline, mansion throws down the gauntlet. join us this morning is the author of that piece, the senior reporter with the hill. good morning. tell us about this announcement from joe manchin, it was not a complete surprise to some. apparently senator schumer know about this. he had written about this in the wall street journal earlier this month. guest: there was some reporting that he was privately floating a

.5 trillion dollar topline spending for the reconciliation bill. it was a number that he would not confirm in public. it is something that his colleagues did not have any concrete idea of when they voted on the resolution in early august. he said he would not support the full number. his colleagues never had an idea where he was with the exception of chuck schumer. the big bombshell yesterday was the number is a memorandum between mansion and schumer. he laid out his demands. the one that caught everyone's eye is he's not going over $1.5 trillion. he made some other bold demands as well. he demanded that none of the funding in the build back better infrastructure spent until everything that was passed in the american rescue plan was

already spent. he's not going to allow this human infrastructure money to go out until all of the rescue money is sent out. the federal reserve must and quantitative easing. these are huge demands. what surprised everyone was chuck schumer signed it and kept it completely secret. no one knew about it except his top deputy. dick durbin wanted to know what the number is. chuck schumer was sitting on that number four weeks. host: given his stance and the stance of the progressive members in the caucus, is it likely that the one trillion dollar package already passed by the senate will come to a vote today in the house? guest: i think there is no chance of that.

nancy pelosi is making a good show of it. she promised the centrists she would have a vote on the infrastructure bill by september 27. ultimately, she doesn't want to have a vote that's going to fail and embarrass the president. votes aren't there. that was clear yesterday. it was clear they were not going to materialize. the person who is been so clear on this was very clear in talking to reporters. we progressives are not going to vote for this until this infrastructure package until the reconciliation passes the senate. no one is taking any promises from them that this may get done at a later date.

that means the infrastructure package isn't going anywhere. pelosi can only afford three defections in her caucus if the republicans vote in lockstep. she's going to have to go along with what she is demanding. a deal in hand, a solid deal in hand on the reconciliation bill before it moves. as joe manchin said last night, late into the night, he said there is no deal coming anytime soon. there are still a lot of work to be done. the memo shows there is a lot of negotiating left. host: we know there is no government shutdown. they passed a continuing resolution. what about the debt ceiling it?

guest: nothing. the democrats backed down. they had a continuing resolution that would provide disaster relief that republicans wanted because some of the states there were hit the hardest by hurricane ida include louisiana and mississippi. they wanted to support and pass this. chuck schumer put the debt limit and that continuing resolution. republicans said they would not support it. they voted in unison to block that measure from moving. the democrats took out the debt limit and now there is no certain vehicle for it. what's going to wind up happening is even though schumer is adamant that it would be a nonstarter to raise the debt limit through the reconciliation package, that seems to be the

only way it's going to happen. it doesn't seem like democrats have the stomach for a standoff with republicans. i'm expecting maybe at the end of next week there will be an amendment to the budget resolution or do a standalone debt limit. that's going to be painful. we are talking about multiple hours of debate. republicans are holding firm. it doesn't seem like schumer and the democrats have the stomach to stare them down on this when the credit of the united states is on the line. host: his piece on the negotiations are on the hill.com. you can follow everything going on today on twitter. thank you for your update. as for your input on where things stand in the house over

that $3.5 trillion. republicans, it is (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. and dependent voters and others, (202) 748-8002. the headline from the washington times, hello see delays infrastructure bill for a second time. let's go to our democrats line and hear from tony in florida. caller: good morning. this infrastructure built will bring 6 million jobs to the american people. the gop only works for the 1% and big corporations. that's how they get there bribes. this is proof.

we need to vote them out in west virginia and arizona. they are acting like republicans. when trump was in charge, he spent $8 trillion. george bush spent more than that. not to mention thousands of soldiers. we could have used that here for infrastructure, bring jobs. they want to go to war, they can't because they have kids. -- work, they can't because they have kids. joe manchin and kyrsten sinema need to join the republican party. host: the line for republicans,

(202) 748-8001. for democrats, (202) 748-8000. for independent voters and others, (202) 748-8002. a potential vote on infrastructure today. alex fulton told us he doesn't think that will happen. the house is expected and no earlier than 9:30 a.m.. let's hear from james in pittsburgh. caller: good morning. my question is, why did donald trump send that stuff over to koebel, sign a surrender with the taliban, why didn't biden bring it back? host: i want to show you joe manchin it yesterday. he was talking to reporters. he was talking about the $1.5 trillion, his top line. >> the other piece of legislation, we can maybe work some that. the bottom line is this, we

should be starting and making sure our priorities are in the proper place. we know the taxes. we voted against the tax cuts in 2017. that's the first thing we should be able to agree on. a tax improvement that makes it fair and equitable. that's all we are talking about. then see where we stand. i brought the 1.5. that was done what we could do would not jeopardize our economy. after that, we had coving -- covid coming back at us. also, inflation. in west virginia, i saw where

the general dollar store, they are no longer dollar general. that's hard for west virginians. a lot of people shop there and that's all they have. we have a lot of good things we can do. you have the infrastructure bill. you've got this bill and the reconciliation bill. i am willing to work through that. they can run on the rest of it. there are many ways to get where they want, just on everything at one time. host: we have not heard much from kyrsten sinema from arizona. she tweeted a statement yesterday about much of this. she said it publicly more than two months ago before the senate passes the infrastructure bill, she would not support a bill

costing $3.5 trillion. she's shared concerns directly with schumer in the white house. claims that she has not detailed her views are false. the proposed budget reconciliation package reflects our proposal of president biden and his team along with senator schumer. they are aware of her rarities. we do not negotiate through the press. she continues to engage directly in good faith discussions with both president biden and senator schumer to find common ground. let's hear from patrick. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for accepting my call. ultimately, this is the deal and i want everybody to really listen to what i'm about to say. when it comes down to $3.5

trillion, i get it. everybody wants childcare. everyone wants a decrease in pharmaceutical drugs. i agree with that. i believe republicans and democrats agree with that. the problem is government has lost its way. government feels the people work for them. they work for us. republicans and democrats work for us. something needs to get past. something needs to get past weekly. the economy -- we need to stop playing these games. host: i lost you for a second there. continue with your thoughts. i think we got most of them.

we appreciate you calling in. we will go to south carolina. shirley is on our democrats line. caller: i would like to say one thing to the democrats. i would like for us to vote that other lady. they don't do anything for the democrats except hold things up anyway. why don't they go to the republicans? host: we hear from david on the republican line. good morning. caller: my parents never asked for tree childcare -- they worked hard. they never think that they could to pay the bills. i don't see why we have two run the country into the ground. i don't see anything lifting poor people up out of poverty.

spending a lot of money and nobody is getting anything out of it. i don't see any crumbling bridges in new york. i cross them all the time. i do see potholes. that's not federal. that's done by the state in the county. all this money for infrastructure, i'm not sure where it's going. it's got to be falling off of a cliff. the democrats had a long time to plan for this. they could have done whatever they wanted to do. they could've said this is line by line. i thinks that's what should really happen. host: the trillion dollar infrastructure bill, the

bipartisan framework, it is passed in the senate with 19 republican votes. that's the one that is pending in the house. still to be negotiated is the budget reconciliation package. that would establish universal pre-k and extend the childcare tax credits. it would create a paid family immediately even medical leave benefit. it would require 80% of power from clean energy by 2030. it would make committee college free and reduce prescription drug costs. good morning to sam. caller: yes. are you there? listening, the infrastructure, i think we should have that.

i've got news for people out there. you're only going to have what those republicans decide. those people are -- you're not going to get anything out of that. wake up and smell the roses. if you long -- look, donald trump has made arrangements. there's no need to worry about what the constituents say. they don't care about it. the arrangements of already been made to win the voting and everything. the party is over. that's right. host: larry on the republican line in cleveland. good morning. caller: my question is, when they use the words until or

unless, that is the quid pro quo. they can't use the word unless. why don't they work on a bill and then another bill. they keep using that word. people have got to listen to words. that is quid pro quo. that's all i have to say. they are trying to get every american dollar. they are trying to kill america. i don't know what people really understand the amount of $1 trillion. it's 99 billion. people don't realize the amount of money.

not including all of this covid stuff. now you want all of these others? that's a lot of money. host: one of the daily news sheets that comes out from politico, it's their huddle which focuses on capitol hill. in transient is infrastructure. the house did not vote on the trillion dollar package overnight. speaker pelosi pushed off a key plank of the domestic agenda amid a revolt from progressives. there will be a vote today, poulos he said.

in south dakota, the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. he is at least trying to conserve money little bit. $100,000, i don't understand why they are only taxing at $400,000.

i think maybe she we should like compared in south dakota, our top cop is in big trouble. supposedly he was giving her daughter a bunch of benefits. now they're saying they had an affair. we've got that going on up here. have a good day. host: to karen on the independent line. hello there. caller: i think the social infrastructure is long overdue. if you look at other countries like germany and switzerland and finland, they put human beings before money. we let corporate america run our country. we reward them constantly with

all of these tax breaks when we pay the bills. it's about time the little guy gets to win this time. women are working. there is nobody home. we need the childcare benefits that would help so much for so many people. years ago, a man could work 40 hours in the family could live on that. now you have to have both parents working. we have to meet with modern times. we need to stop living in 1959. host: do you think the only way is through a large package? some of these things move through individually? these issues and problems could be addressed on an individual basis and not a large spending package? caller: i really think it needs to be done all at once.

like i say, it is well overdue. people are suffering. children are suffering. we just have to live in 2021. like i say, it is overdue, it will pay for itself. if you make less than $400,000, you have nothing to worry about. host: here is a tweet. they need to be reauthorized.

it is part of that. one option today or perhaps the pondering of what they could do in terms of a vote today. this is the front page of the washington post on the issue at hand. divided democrats postpone vote on infrastructure.

>> i've never been a liberal in any way shape or form. there is no one who ever thought i was. i've been a governor, secretary of state, u.s. senator. i have voted consistently my life. i don't fault anyone that are more liberal. god bless them. we have to elect more liberals. i'm not asking them to change. host: you can send us a text at (202) 748-8003.

host: doug is in virginia on the republican line. caller: i've been listening to your comments. those people do not understand what is actually going on.

go to the grocery store. go to the gas station. when you tax the most wealthiest people, who is going to start up a small business? if you want to be living in those countries that do that, go there. leave my country. i served this country for 31 years. i don't understand. host: two luke in california. caller: to what the previous general and said, he was talking about the rise in prices for consumer goods, that is relevant to the debt ceiling. what i'm really worried about is that they are for social welfare policy, but they don't focus on

inflation. it usually goes to the corporations and banks that buy these assets and the interest payments benefiting the top 1%. if social democrats want to get to the root cause of inequality, they have to solve the inflation problem first. host: let's hear from the nation's capital. good morning. caller: i think president biden is doing the right thing. they are concentrating on helping the people. it's a good thing to see the soldiers. that money can now be concentrated on our society in america. there are no winners in wars.

let's start building our great nation. thank you very much. host: janet yellen it was testifying yesterday. the reporting was from cnbc. she wanted to remain the debt ceiling altogether with a potential default looming in october. she said thursday she would see it taken away from congress. >> once again, just as our colleagues realized a government shutdown would be catastrophic, a default on the national that would be worse. throughout american history, the federal government has paid its debt on time. the unbroken promise is what's

made the united states the leading economy in the world for so long. benefiting millions of families. we talk about extending the debt limit, that's what state. all week long, senate democrats presented our colleagues with reasonable proposals to prevent a default from happening. they rejected that offer. when asking to vote yes, even though we know they should. instead, just to get out of the way and let us keep america's faith and credit. host: your calls on what's ahead potentially. the reporting this morning of

the washington examiner. a text here from west virginia.

there was no shut down as congress passed that. let's hear from linda in michigan. good morning. caller: thank you for taking michael. i appreciate what joe manchin is doing it, it should be zero at this point. you can't trust the democrats that they will say they will do one thing and they do another. i don't know why they put lower drug costs in the bill. at the end of trumps time in

office, my one prescription i take went down to nine dollars. my insurance wasn't involved. last week when i picked it up, it went up to $51. they are up to their tricks. host: was there any explanation from your pharmacist? caller: he couldn't really be bothered. he said the brand changed. the brand didn't change. i will be calling my insurance company to find out why. i just have a feeling that somehow they got raised. the democrats were involved. and now they can say that they lowered the cost. i don't know what's going on. i will look into it. host: thank you for calling. carla is in denver. caller: good morning.

the underlying factor that these politicians don't want to spend the money on the people is our campaign system is broken. they are not working for the people. their campaigns are paid for by the very rich. where was the republican concern about spending money when they increased -- and voted for a tax break for the very rich? it doesn't make sense to me. that's all i have. thanks for letting me talk. host: this is josephine in new jersey. caller: good morning. i watched all day. that is my concern of what's going on. part of what he forgot to tell you, he brought the pork home to west virginia. i can't fault him for that.

the pork he is bringing home in that negotiated bill is a highway that's being done for 20 years. god knows when it's going to be finished in west virginia. don't put it on us. there is one part of the bill that isn't really brought to anyone's attention. that is regarding seniors and what happens when they need to go to a nursing home and go on to medicaid. there is a part in this bill that they will be able to stay home and their own home without spending their money down, having home aides come to their house and $2000 a month toward that. where are they going to get the

money? $400,000 is the cap. when we work, we got eight w-2. the government knew what we earned. that's not true with the very rich. we have to rely on their honesty in what they present. now they realized that 20% of the very wealthy live. they fudge their earnings. host: a lot of comments about the senator from west virginia. she writes that on august 11, he issued a statement declaring the 3.5 trillion irresponsible.

north carolina, a line is up next. caller: good morning. i'm against this larger bill. i am old enough to remember, i don't think a lot of your callers do. they sound like they might be my age. joe manchin is what used to be considered a blue dog democrat. he's a john f. kennedy democrat. he does have some sanity in him. much of what he says, though he is accused of all kinds of things, there used to be a lot of democrats like him. they were pretty much in line with republicans on a lot of matters.

you look back on 1960, john kennedy and richard nixon were pretty much in line. they disagreed at the fringes. john kennedy was pro-business. he was pro strong american defense. i doubt -- that's what democrats used to be. if you're looking at joe manchin, you were looking back in time. the other thing i have to say, i think the big problem is it's everything. somebody made a comment earlier about all of these issues, social issues that all deserve attention and they all deserve consideration and debate. when you put them all in one bill, with the thin margin the

democrats have, do they really think they've got a mandate on this? they've got a three seat majority in the house. they don't have any majority in the senate. the last thing if i could say, you've given me a lot of time. the only way out of this and i mean long term, a convention of states to modify the u.s. constitution. i don't see how the congress is ever going to get back to any functionality with where the parties are today. i don't see how that's going to change. the founding fathers saw the possibility of this happening. that it might result in a

dysfunctional congress. that's why they gave power to the states. you guys don't help matters much when people are saying democracy. host: let me ask you about the article five convention. what would it accomplish? caller: do you know what it is. host: we've done segments on it. caller: the one thing that might accomplish, i know enough that it's a path to possible solutions such as a lot of things people at the group's roots believe on both sides. term limits. we've got people up there that have benefit. they have been up there since nixon was president. there are very deep resentments and rivalries and these people

feel entitled. host: we have done segments on a proposed convention. the headline from usa today about the debt ceiling it, what it means for you.

mitch mcconnell speaking yesterday on the floor of the senate about their opposition to raising the debt limit. >> the majority has begun to realize the way forward matches the roadmap we have been laying out for months. on government funding, we laid out a resolution without the poison pill of a debt limit increase. that is what we will pass today. the leader tried to muscle through something different. the government will be funded as we laid out. that is step one. next will, step two, the debt ceiling. we have laid out the way forward

as well. as i have explained, democrats need to begin the process for handling this issue through reconciliation. attempts at partisan jams will not change that reality. it didn't work on government funding. it won't work on the debt limit. host: people wane and on social media. -- weighing in on social media.

in maine, michael from the independent line. good morning. caller: look at the affiliates. when colin powell got arrested, i met president donald trump at the soup kitchen in portland maine before he became president. take them out of afghanistan, catch up with the money. now we have u.s. fighting u.s. host: jasper in memphis tennessee. caller: i want to speak about

joe manchin and the republican party. they spent $7 trillion under trump. the working class people never got anything. our country has fallen behind. we have to have medicaid, we have to have rail, we have to be able to move into the future. young people are leaving home. they are leaving behind all the old republican people. it's not going to be the future of this country. we have people that want to negotiate with people overseas. they've got to take this and get out of the way. host: when the senate is in stash and, joe manchin stays aboard his houseboat.

according to reporters, protesters have been there. this is some of what is recorded earlier in ford's magazine. -- forbes magazine. >> anybody from west virginia? god bless you all. we are working hard. we really are. we want to get a good balanced bill that is well done. west virginia is different than it used to be. >> there is a lot of poverty. >> we are doing everything we can. >> that's the one thing we should be doing is fixing the tax code so everyone pays their fair share. we should be negotiating for lower drug prices.

i agree with you 1000%. we are all on the same page. host: some of the protesters at joe manchin's houseboat. let's hear from jennifer on the republican line in virginia. >> thank you for taking my call. i have a couple of points i want to make. the first one is everybody coming after joe manchin for not voting for the 3.5. you also have the progressives that aren't willing to do anything unless it gets passed. it's typical washington games. the other point is the 3.5, there are so many entitlements in it.

look at our social security? do we want the government controlling our childcare and college. it's 2021. they need to change. we need to subsidize childcare. women -- single women have been working and needing childcare since the 70's. what happened to the american dream of working and proving your life and doing these things? we've been doing this for a long time. i don't disagree with a hand up. host: michael is up next from

arizona. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to say how disappointed i am with our representation. i've heard all this talk about joe manchin. he is saying what he will and won't do. i don't agree with him. at least he is talking to the media and his constituents. we have my representative, which would be the worst of the 535 congresspeople in the country. senator sinema will not meet with the media. she will not talk to anybody or say anything. i couldn't be more disgusted. i don't care about a topline number. i care that there are things that americans across the board across the board all seem to like. the types of ideas that the

democrats are proposing where they have a no vote on the others no matter what. host: when she is back in arizona, does she do town halls? >> no. she is meeting with higher ups, raising money. i believe it was $4500 a ticket. i have called her office many times. all i get his voicemail. i've never seen a congressperson who seems to just be there for the money. if you can tell me what she represents, i would love to hear what she thinks. host: did you vote for her? caller: yes. i couldn't vote for republican. i am a true liberal in that sense. she is the choice. until we get a primary system that allows a broader spectrum

of candidates, we are stuck with what we are stuck with. host: what is she up for reelection? caller: 2024. she took jeff flake's seat. host: thanks for the call. let's hear from nate in milwaukee. go ahead. caller: thank you. i would like joe manchin to compromise. 2.5 is in the middle. something else that i think is very important, he is protecting the honest elections bill. in wisconsin, we have a serious problem with gerrymandering. other states have the same problem. ohio, there is a group saying

they are suing the redistricting because of gerrymandering. i know another state, their people trying to rig the elections drawing lines on the map. he was one of the people who did it propose trying to do something about it. host: thanks for the call. the u.s. senate is at noon. their work is largely done. there is no government shutdown. they will come in for continued work on nominations. a vote yesterday in the senate for the consumer financial protection bureau.

the senate is in at noon eastern today. after the video we shared with joe manchin aboard his boat, his houseboat, this is what pulse says from kansas city, missouri. cynthia is on the republican line. good morning. caller: one of the things that really bothers me is regardless if you are a democrat or republican, we have to stop spending above our means. a budget is a budget. it doesn't matter who is in office. we have to spend less. i do not approve of increasing the spending limit.

it's time we go back and look at our spending and get within our means. as american citizens, we can't spend above our budget. i don't know why they think they can do that in congress. if you review the net worth of these people, they are well over $1 million apiece. they don't depend on social security. they don't depend on retirement. we need the rationale to come back to the average american. this bill is over 24,000 pages. it was just introduced last week. how can anybody review a bill in a week? quit arguing about 1.5 or 3.5.

balance your budget. host: thanks for the call. melvin is up next. caller: one thing, i've been listening to this program since 1979. two things i want to get out that really bothered me. every financial disaster in this country occurred while republicans were in office. that's everyone since world war ii. they continue to talk about fiscal responsibility. it makes no sense. going back to obama cleaning up, going back to bill clinton cleaning up after reagan and them.

they need to stop that. one last thing i want to say, it's always the red states that have these issues with the spending. they are welfare states. they are getting more money than they put in. they are taking money from california, new york, they take the federal money. you need to go back and do a show on spending. especially these red states. it drives me crazy. thank you very much. host: with the uncertainty ahead and a house today, we will be joined by two members of the u.s. house. joining us next, tom mcclintock

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eastern, what will happen in terms of debate or vote? guest: i can't read minds or tell fortunes. i am not in nancy pelosi's circle of friends and confidence. -- confidants. what is certain is they have the votes, they will be one. host: they are talking about the infrastructure built. what is your position on the bill? guest: it takes a certain degree of -- the culloden infrastructure built. only about 10% is going to things like highways and bridges. most of it is going to green energy subsidies. it reminds me a little of benjamin franklin's story when he was given a few pennies by his mother to buy himself a present. he went to the store and spent

all the money to discover he spent four times more than it was worth. he said that was an important lesson. we should not pay too much for our whistles. this is an enormous expense. we are talking about $1.2 trillion. when we start throwing around these kind of numbers, it's important to boil them down for what that means to and average family. it is $8,000 taken from the taxes and earnings and purchasing power of an average family. $1 billion is eight dollars. the next time a politician says we are only spending $1 trillion, that is $8,000 for my family's earnings.

in my paying too much? -- and my paying too much? host: the house and senate passed a resolution that will fund the government through december. what happens then? guest: two months older and deeper in debt. host: part of the package has money for the disaster relief, including hurricane ida and some of the fires in your state. did you support that measure because of that? guest: i did not support the measure. continuing resolutions abandon congress's duty to superintend finances. it bypasses the normal budget process. it's an absolutely vital tool to restore fiscal integrity. the alarms are flashing all around us. we are approaching great danger as a nation. we are seeing rising interest

rates and inflation is brewing, and that's just the beginning. the idea of hitting the snooze button seems to be increasingly irresponsible. host: another item left undone by the house and senate is raising the debt limit. with a deadline expressed by the secretary janet yellen, what do you think will happen to ensure we don't hit that? that we don't forfeit on our debts and not be able to make those payments? guest: we are not going to default on our debts. the treasury department, from the day it was founded, has the authority to prioritize things to ensure the dollars go to service the debt. the debt limit is supposed to

say, congress, you are spending more than earning. you have got to make changes. you have got to think about making changes. what they are planning on doing is suspending the debt limit so they can spend whatever they want through the end of next year. that is totally irresponsible. if you are a family, living off your credit cards, you better be sure the first thing you do is make that minimum payment. that is what the executive branch has always had the authority to do. i think a lot of this is panic talk. to the broader point. it's very important to use the debt limit to reassess our spending patterns and to start making progress to restoring

fiscal responsibility to our spending before it bankrupts us. countries that bankrupt themselves are not allowed -- around very long. you have to be able to pay for it and the ability of our country to do that is coming into doubt. host: our guest is congressman tom mcclintock of california. for republicans, the line is (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. representative mcclintock, you are the ranking member on the immigration subcommittee of judiciary. we saw this headline. democrats put illegal immigrants before taxpaying citizens. expand on that a little bit for us. guest: the numbers are horrific.

more than 200,000 encountered border patrol in the number of joel -- in the month of july. that is the population of salt lake city. why the 200,000 people are encountered in august. that's the population of des moines. that does not include 350,000 who were heading to the country with no vetting. that's the population of anaheim. there are 42 million people in latin america and the caribbean who intend to come here. no civilization has survived this magnitude of mass migration. ask some fundamental questions. how are americans helped by flooding the labor market with illegal immigration? how are our children who have already been robbed the year of their education helped by

filling their classrooms with non-english speaking classmates? how are communities made safer by making it harder to deport criminals and gang members? how are our hospitals more assessable by overwhelming emergency rooms with illegal immigrants demanding care? these are questions i have been asking since the biden administration reversed all the policies that secured our borders. i have not heard an answer to one of those questions yet. host: we are having technical difficulty with our signal for you. our folks are going to reconnect with you here. it will take a moment to let them do that. we will take a couple of calls and will make note of what folks are saying. we can follow up on that. we want to make sure our signal is good with congressman tom mcclintock of california. i see a call from rockville --

bacaville. let's hear from lewis in colorado springs, republican line. you are on the air. congressman mcclintock should be reconnecting shortly. go ahead with your comment. caller: good morning. i want to thank the congressman for all he is doing. i would ask him to stay strong. in spite of all the socialism trying to take over our country. and god bless him for that. i wanted to bring up something online last night involving him. he was showing the family -- it happened to be the gee family in town for the funeral of their daughter that got killed in

afghanistan at the airport. he was showing them around. did not have masks on. a political reporter took a picture and video of them and demeaned them. i don't know how long you look you going with this stuff. he was being kindly to show them around the building and showing some of the things that go on there. i thought that was kind of him to do that while they were in town and what they were going through. if you can pass that along, i would sure appreciate it. thank him again and god bless. host: congressman mcclintock is back with us. you are meeting with one of the 13 marines who died in afghanistan -- killed in afghanistan and the attack.

-- in the attack. guest: she was holding a baby and saying i love my job. the family -- i don't know how they can bear the loss. they were here in washington to lay her to lay heard arrested arlington cemetery the day before -- her to rest at arlington cemetery the day before. i cannot hide my contempt for this reporter. they are a goldstar family. she chose to attack them like this. i really don't want to go into it because i am so angry about it. i am afraid it will not choose my words as carefully as i should. the bottom line is -- host: steve from california on

the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning to you, sam. i got a little horse with allergies in california. representative mcclintock, i am 68 years old. i am a labor democrat, a conservative democrat. i watched you for years. with all due respect, sir, the republicans, the way they go after biden and the afghanistan -- he mentioned that -- this is not a videogame, america. they had airlift 120,000 people. we were there for 20 years. the population of vacaville is 125,000. they airlifted the entire population of my city out of afghanistan. we are trying to do the best we can. we cannot do endless wars. you talk about the tax bill and

$3.2 trillion or whatever. what about the farmer subsidies that they get in the sacramento valley? we give all the money to the farmers. you guys are stomping biden -- blocking him. mitch is blocking him for the batteries in the electric cars. that is the future. you are deniers of global warming. you sit there on your hands, cover your eyes and mouth and say, trump, don't say that stuff in public. you are embarrassing us. host: will get a response with the congressman. guest: i agree completely. we should not be subsidizing farmers or any other part of our economy. consumers ought to have the ability to make their own decisions about what they need in their lives and vote every day with their dollars. subsidies corrupt all of that

data. it sends the wrong signals on productivity. i could not agree more. but how you can say we should get rid of farm subsidies, yet on the other hand spend billions and billions of dollars subsidizing corrupt green energy companies, i don't understand the logic. as far as the biden administration's conduct in afghanistan, that speaks for itself. they took a conditional orderly withdrawal under trump and turned it into an unconditional surrender to the taliban. $80 billion of military equipment lost to the taliban. bagram air force base abandoned. trump never attended to abandon that. that was a vital strategic asset. we spent billions of dollars of

your money to establish that base. when biden abandoned the base, they released 7000 hard-core terrorists. one of them was up suicide bomber that killed our 13 marines on august 26. the other question, where are the other 7000? my suspicion is more than a few of them are probably on their way now to enter this country through the southern border because it's wide open. i am sorry you think these policies are good ones. i simply cannot agree. host: deepak on the independent line. caller: good morning, sir. the question is we raised the debt ceiling eight times for donald trump. he refuse to raise it for

biden. you want him to fail. that is the reason you don't want to do that. that is your concern. afghanistan. you said trump -- why did not he do it in four years? when biden does it, you blame him for not doing it right. why do you play biden for that? guest: with respect to afghanistan, it is simple. trump was disengaging from afghanistan but doing it in an orderly way. he was ensuring air support for the afghan army. he was maintaining bagram air force base. he sent a powerful message to the taliban that we would not complete the withdrawal until they reached an accommodation with the afghan government.

that is what biden completely reversed. they went from a conditional withdrawal to unconditional surrender. we are going to be dealing with results of that for many years to come. with respect to the debt limit, when i have voted for spending that exceeded revenues, i voted for the debt limit. in this case it was the democrats who have blown the lid off our spending. it is their responsibility to increase the debt limit. i am not going to do that because i will not accommodate this reckless spending that is running up a debt that americans will never be able to repay and will follow us for generations in the future and rob our children of the american dream. host: back to the migration crisis comment on twitter. how is the illegal immigrant problem going to be resolved when none of the illegal employers like donald trump are

arrested for hiring illegal immigrants? the availability of jobs is the draw, says this person. guest: i think there is some truth to that. that is why it is important we enforce our employment laws and immigration laws. we are not enforcing anything. it is still legal to cross our border in the manner being done. that is a violation of our border laws. staying here is a violation of immigration law. it is illegal to seek work here. that's a violation of our employment laws. we are not enforcing any of them. a nation that either cannot or will not enforce its immigration laws has no immigration laws. if it has no immigration laws, the border is meaningless. if it's border is meaningless, it is no longer a country. i am afraid that is the path the democrats are taking us down. people ask, how can this be happening to our country?

if it weren't for the democrats -- this is what you voted for. they are surprised by that. well, you were not paying close attention. this reconciliation built which we try to take out in the budget hearings, democrats stepped in. it is the entity for 8 million to 10 million immigrants. the senate parliamentarian ruled it is not appropriate for reconciliation built. they intend to ram it through anyway. eight to 10 million people who are here illegally and demanding to stay, given amnesty, permanent legal residency which qualifies for the whole welfare system, and a special path to citizenship. it's important to understand what the population is. that is the low figure on what they are trying to legalize. that is the entire population of alaska, vermont, wyoming, north

dakota, south dakota, delaware, rhode island, maine, and montana combined. america needs to wake up. our country is in grave danger. . host: we hear from sam on the democrats line. caller: mi on? -- am i on? where was he at during the time he was raising the debt ceiling for donald trump? all the tax break he gave to his own people. he went to mar-a-lago and bragged he saved a lot of money for his people. when trump was in office he did not mind everything that man has

done, and he has done a lot of stuff that isn't right. he backed him. now they are drawing $175,000 a year. most of them are millionaires. they don't help the poor. what is that saying? guest: you have addressed -- host: you have addressed the debt situation under donald trump. guest: the left is good at attacking people individually. the question is, what were the trump policies? one of the biggest tax reductions in american history. we are collecting more revenues after the tax reduction them before. -- than before. we secured our borders for the first time in generations. what was the result of that?

we enjoyed the greatest economic expansion in our lifetimes. the lowest on employment rates in 50 years. the lowest party rates in 60 years. the fastest wage growth in 40 years. it was working class, blue-collar wages growing the fastest for the first time in decades. the income gap was actually narrowing. all that before the lockdown took a wrecking ball to the economy. who was benefiting most? working americans. we had the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for americans of african descent, of asian descent, the lewis on a planet rate for women. that is with the trump policies produced. all of the nasty personal attacks don't change those fundamental facts. this is a question of public policy. policies that work and policies

that work. the trump administration had policies that work. energy independence for the first time in 75 years. you remember what you are paying for gasoline in year ago and you know what you are paying for it now. that is the difference the policy makes. the biden administration came in and systematically reversed all these policies. you now have the collapse of the southern border. this unprecedented mass migration into our country. it is not only being accommodated but encouraged by this administration. you have the most wicked inflation rate have seen since the jimmy carter era. it is going to get worse. you see the stagnant hiring market, the job market. look at the rising crime rates.

you see the same things. you see a rise in crime, sky high taxes, failing businesses, a failing economy, failing schools, sky high prices for water, electricity, for energy. we watched that in california for years. now we are seeing the same pathologies visited upon our country. because the policies have fundamentally changed under this administration. americans have seen their wages decline every month since this administration took office. there is a reason for that. host: larry in rapid city, south dakota, republican line. caller: good morning. this representative here, i don't know where he is getting his information. i think he is digging it out of

a toilet. it is crap.

spend what you can afford, prioritize other needs.

you would have 300 to 500 pages to list everything and simplify infrastructure. work on that separate. here is the problem. when you try to take on more than one issue, and they are taking on many issues, you fall flat on your face, because not many people can handle more than one issue at a time. if you take one issue and do it right, do the infrastructure. spend that money. what you can afford. you will find it works. i have been retired 30 years. if i had listened to richard lugar and took his point, i would not be where i am today. there are no free lunches in

this world. if you get one, you will pay for it later. host: thank you for the call. congressman, some final thoughts. guest: i could not agree more. government cannot put a dollar into the economy it does not first take out of the economy. the government gives you a dollar, it has already decided to take the dollar from you. it can do that through current taxes, your current standard of living. they can borrow in capital markets, which reduces your future standard of living. four, it can print money which increases inflation. all those $1400 checks joe biden sent out at the beginning of his term, we are finding out that free money was very expensive.

you are paying it back every day you go to the grocery store. you have put together $100,000 towards your retirement. we had a 5.3% year-over-year inflation rate in august. the government just took $5,300 for your retirement savings. you don't see the balance go down but the retirement savings will purchase that much less. we have to understand this is a lie that only businesses will pay the taxes. businesses don't pay business tax. you pay it as a consumer through higher prices. you pay them as an employee with lower wages, and as an investor for a lower earnings. those are the only possible ways of business tax can be paid. these are simple realities. you either recognize him and start respecting them as we approach these fiscal issues. what's happening today is not

only fiscally irresponsible, it's insane. i believe it is becoming hurtful for the survival of our country. host: congressman tom mcclintock , thanks for being with us. guest: thanks for having me. host: next up, a democrat's point of view. jason crow, he represents colorado in the u.s. house and a military veteran. he will talk about his questioning earlier of military leader's on the afghanistan withdrawal. that is coming up. ♪ >> sunday night on q&a, on the even the supreme court's new term we look back at the life and legacy of a major figure in the court's history.

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eastern on c-span's q&a. you can listen to q&a and all of our podcasts on our new c-span now cap. -- app. >> washington journal continues. host: congressman jason crow, democrat of colorado is with us. he represents the 6th district. guest: good to be with you. host: there is uncertainty today in terms of when you get underway today, or whether they will be a vote on the infrastructure built. tell us what your best sense of what might happen today. guest: if anybody told you that they know what will happen, they will be disingenuous with themselves or others. we don't know. this is legislating and the challenging of doing big and bold things. we have an infrastructure built, a big and bold reconciliation

bill, and we are trying to bring those together. that is not an easy thing to do because there is a lot of ambitious stuff in both these packages. the democratic caucus is a diverse caucus. we have a big tent, a lot of people across the spectrum that belong to the caucus that is a source of strength and shows we are indeed a big tent party. we have to make sure we are bringing folks together and that is with the leadership is doing right now. host: do you feel you could vote to support the infrastructure bill without an agreement reached on the broader reconciliation measure? guest: i do. i have been clear about that. i would be willing to vote for an infrastructure bill. it is not the bill i would have written if i had a blank sheet of paper, but it has the votes. the senate did a good job of coming together in building a consensus around something, 60

plus senators voting for it. it is good for the country. there is an urgency around this. not just a pass this bill to create hundreds of thousands of jobs, but so much is about addressing the climate crisis and building the infrastructure we need and the energy to have a new energy economy. we have to start the process now. it takes a long time to build infrastructure in america. you don't just put shovels in the ground. it's a process we have to go through. we don't have that much time with the climate crisis. we have to make sure we are starting the process. i want to get the bill passed. i want to get infrastructure going so we can address the crisis we have to address. host: you serve on the house arms services committee. you are an army veteran with three tours of duty in iraq and afghanistan. what was your reaction to the president's timeline for withdrawal from afghanistan?

second, how do you think the u.s. handled that withdrawal? guest: i agreed with the president. he made a courageous decision to end combat operations. i decision i thought had been deferred for way too long. if the events of august have not shown us anything, i think it has shown that we were never going to win the war. there was no military solution to this war. and not another year or five years or 10 years would have changed that. president biden was not willing to pass the buck to yet another administration. this went on for 20 years. 2400 american lives lost. tens of thousands wounded. $2 trillion of american taxpayer money spent. it was time to end it and say let's move on and focus on our other threats. the conduct of the withdrawal in august, there are some things that we could have anticipated

and some things that don't. many people were thinking the afghan army would have collapsed overnight like it did. we have to take a hard, deep dive is the why that happened. one thing i was disappointed in was the evacuation of the afghan partners that should have happened earlier. after the president made his decision to withdraw combat forces in april, we formed a working group and talked to anybody who would listen saying start the evacuation now. start now. let's be deliberate and steady. that did not happen. we are in the position of having to evacuate people who remain behind. there are things that should have that could have been done better. host: your colleague, your military veteran colleague in the senate, senator tammy duckworth has introduced a bill to create a nonpartisan

commission to study the conduct of the iraq war. would you support something like that? guest: i'm still looking at tammy duckworth's bill. we are looking for options on the committee. committees can form taskforces. there are independent commissions. we absolutely have to take a deep dive on this. we have to make sure we're doing the postmortem to learn the lessons. not just for history. this is not a lesson in writing the history textbook. it's about looking forward. we have to learn how we can realign the war powers and take them back in congress and have better conversations about the use of force and how we engage around the world. whether or not nationbuilding is an exercise we should do in the future and take that mission on. and the training of forward militaries. we do this in dozens of places right now as were having this conversation.

we are finding it. we have personnel overseas training. are we good at this? do we know how to do it? that's a question we have to answer. national security relies on that. men and women are conducting the mission. we have to figure out what went wrong and what we could do better. this is not a two week or two month deep dive. this is a 20-year war that spanned 10 congresses, four administrations. there are a lot of lessons learned. it is not what happened in the last couple of months. host: jason crow is with us. for republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. two hearings this week for house arms services and senate armed services committee.

they headline in the washington post. military leaders wanted a contingent force in afghanistan. the follow-up kabul led to a full withdrawal with some saying they felt a force of 2500 what ould have been appropriate to state. some are calling for general milley to resigned. -- resign. guest: he gave a full defense. there is a lot of money border quarterbacking going on here -- monday morning quarterbacking going on here. i think it was avoidable. we will figure out why it happened. general milley should not resign or be compelled to because he gave his best advice. we have to be clear about the

advice military commanders give to the president and if the president decides to move in one direction or another. we have civilian control of the military in the u.s. that means generals will do what they always do. they get advice on how to win a work but it is the civilian elected leaders who make a decision if it's in the broader national self-interest, whether or not this is what we should be doing. that is what congress needs to be doing, with the president needs to be doing. this notion that because military commanders recommend something we need to follow it is a false notion. if all you carry is a hammer, every problem is a nail. the military culture is always the candy mission first culture -- can-do mission first culture. never stop trying to accomplish the mission until someone tells you to stop.

that is why we have civilian leaders to make the decision to stop and move on and do something else. host: what may debated you to join the army? -- motivated you to join the army? guest: micro beer started as a private. -- my career started as a private because i needed money for college. my family did not have money to help me pay for college. they had a 100% tuition grant. this was before 9/11. the traditional one weekend a month, two weekends a summer service. i started as a private. i joined rotc in college. after 9/11, that started at the start of my senior year of college, i transitioned from a national guard contract to active duty and requested service as an infantry officer, ranger and air trooper. host: you were elected in 2018.

how much was your military service and influence in deciding to run? guest: it was a huge influence. i learned as a teenager when i first enlisted that i loved service. i loved sitting at formation wearing that flag on my shoulder, being a part of something bigger than myself. that sense of purpose and service to the nation. that only deepened for me and my time in iraq and afghanistan. it became very clear that the country i loved, this country, albeit an imperfect one, is worth fighting for. when i left service and took out my uniform i continued that sense of purpose and work for veterans. i became a veterans advocate in colorado. when it became clear i needed to get back into the fight for

democracy, i ran for congress. host: we have calls waiting for jason crow. atlantic city, patricia on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to thank the congressman for his service in the military. i wanted to let you know i saw in horror on january 6 -- i watched you protecting people. that did not go unnoticed. thank you for that. that was very admirable. i have a comment, and then i have a question about the infrastructure package. i am a moderate republican from new jersey. i have been trying valiantly to get a hold of mitch mcconnell and i can't. can you give him a message that republicans from new jersey are

very disturbed at the hypocrisy he is showing with the debt ceiling raising? it's very disturbing as a republican. thank you if you could do that. my question about the infrastructure is, it is very necessary, the heart infrastructure. it's a bipartisan deal in the senate. the human infrastructure, which is very important -- i do feel the price tag is a little high. there should be, you know, guidelines for getting services like free college and so forth. i wanted to ask you, because if this does not go through because of the progressives not letting it through, that's very disturbing.

i want you to try to work hard to get this at a lower price. if they don't go through with this package, we have nothing. if we have nothing, that does not make any sense. they have to compromise on something. nothing is not, you know, an option for me. host: thanks for the call. guest: thank you, patricia. i appreciate your comment about january 6. that was very dark day for our country and nobody wanted to be there. a lot of people rose to the occasion. the capitol police and metro officers who stood in the breaches saved lives, including my own probably. we owe a great debt to those officers and must make sure we never repeat that. i will try to pass your message on the mitch mcconnell. you are in good company. he does not return my calls

either. i will try to pass that along and extend your voice to the chorus of people that want them to stop playing politics on this. on the infrastructure built, absolutely we need to get it passed. show that we can do big things. that's really important to do. on the price tag for the reconciliation bill, we neither legislate compromise. we don't have the votes for the $3.5 trillion. we have to figure out something everybody can work with. that is the art of legislating. the money allocated in the bill is more -- will more than pay for itself. two big reasons why. the biggest ones i have focused on his early childhood education and quality daycare. there are vast swaths of the economy, huge swaths of the american economy that cannot go back to work or who are

underemployed, can start businesses or move their career to the next level because they don't have access to childcare. if we provide affordable, universal childcare or early childhood education people can go to jobs and enter the workforce to create tremendous economic activity. talking about millions of new workers. millions of entrepreneurs that can do this work. it would be a mistake to make sure -- to suppress the activity by not providing access to that childcare. the second is workforce development. i'm the chairman of the innovation workforce at entre nous were subcommittee in the house -- and entrepreneur subcommittee in the house. they can't find enough workforce. we have to invest in community colleges, vocational and technical institutes and job training programs to create the pipeline of workers we don't have so businesses can grow and expand and create more economic activity.

that is fundamentally with these investments are about. host: a quick question from steve. because of representative crow's constituents enjoying marijuana use, does he support legalization? guest: i do. look at colorado. it's an example of the failed drug policy resulting in perverse results. we have legalized it in colorado. it has worked out generally all right. there are some issues we are still working out. i am a parent of young children and we have to legislate and change rules and regulations to make sure to keep it out of the hands of children. we are addressing teen you send other things. the fact we are having a normalized conversation, a policy discussion in a policy framework about the issue is a better way to have that conversation then the ways we

have been doing it in decades past. it is not perfect. it is far from a completed work of art in colorado for sure up we are having the discussion of how to improve it. it is better than the way we have been doing it for the last 40 or 50 years. host: is at a fairly bipartisan discussion in the house? guest: it is. not as bipartisan as i would like it to be. my friend ed perlmutter -- that's a really good example of a bipartisan bill we should get done in the senate frankly. it makes sense. it is good for business. it is good for providing safe harbors on the issue. there are definitely things that are supported by vast swaths of americans regardless of political background that we cannot get through the senate. host: the democrats line next.

jameson chicago. good -- james in chicago. good morning. caller: my question for the congressman, why do we have to pay the afghan people to protect their own country? i did not agree to semi tax dollars over there to send them a paycheck. host: james, are you referring to the afghan forces we trained? caller: yes. host: ok. congressman crow, go ahead. guest: we went to afghanistan after 9/11 to prevent that country from becoming a terrorist safe haven. in afghanistan, a very challenging place to fight, very challenging place to exist as a force, we needed to associate ourselves with local forces. there was no way to accomplish that mission without the support of local afghans and local forces. over time the mission changed to

nationbuilding. we can debate whether or not that was right inappropriate. i would probably come out on the side we should not have done that and should have ended our war years ago. knowing what we know now and it was not likely to result in success. the afghan government did not have the capacity, economy or tax revenue to build that force and military. over 20 years we did spend money , a large sum of money to try to help build that military. that is what i was talking about. we need to talk about what went wrong after spending tens of billions of dollars to help build that force. it really collapsed in a matter of days. that's a hard discussion and we have to learn from that and not repeat the mistake again. host: we saw a headline in the denver post. colorado coming up to 2000

afghans in the next six months. most families will be placed in homes where others from the country are already settled. can you give us an idea of how that is going so far? guest: colorado is one of the best places for refugee and immigrant resettlement. the government put out a list of 19 top cities for resettlement. the denver metro area was two on the list. i represent one of the most diverse district in the country. giphy 20% of my constituents were born outside the country. over 150 languages and dialects spoken in our community. we are a community of immigrants and refugees and proud of that. we are stronger and more vibrant and have a healthier economy because of that. we will do what we do well in colorado and welcome our new afghan neighbors. we will be better off and they will be better off. these are folks that will be great americans.

we go to great links to promote the public service and patriotism with young folks across the country. what is amazing about the afghans are people who have already fought and served our nation. shoulder to shoulder with the young men and women in uniform. they have proven their commitment to our nation. we should welcome them and help them become the great americans they will be. host: dennis on the independent line in fontana, california. caller: i want to thank you for your service to our country and your valiant behavior on january 6. i have a question regarding the pullout. biden is not doing a great job in telling us what was the procedure. once the beating occurred between trump and the taliban and it was agreed we were going to pull out, was anything at

that point set in place? this is how we are going to do it. we will bring this ad, they do this, the procedure and step-by-step plan. or, was it merely now biden is the president and let's go out and leave the place? that is why i think the democratic party and the president is not doing a great job informing us of exactly what happened. second of all, on the infrastructure deal, i believe it is badly needed. that is the top of it all. i also think americans might want to consider the swashbuckling going back and forth in the party, the democratic party. one group pointing this and one group wanting that, and coming to a compromise is the american way. host: congressman?

guest: on that last part, you are right. i love the fact -- a big sarcastic -- how sometimes you portray a divided party. these are tough issues. there are important things at play here. real people's lives that stake and livelihoods at stake. we take seriously that obligation to be true to that and try to get important things done. we have a broad caucus. the democratic party represents a broad swath of america. that's an important thing. when you have a big, diverse family, you have to have conversations and figure out how to bring it together. that is the process we are going through. we will have to figure out how to do that and that is not easy. with respect to afghanistan, i will provide some clarity on

this. donald trump entered into this agreement with the taliban. there was no planning. when president biden came into office, he inherited a deal that had been negotiated by the trump administration. and he did an independent review of that over the last -- the first couple of months in january. they decided they were going to comply with that deal and withdrawal forces. they extended the deadline to the end of august because they knew they could not withdrawal forces them to the original deadline. the taliban agree to the extension and agreed not to go after our forces. they had to do the planning this year. we did not inherit any plan or procedure or process from the trump administration. nothing. that had to be done under a very tight time constraint this year. we will do our oversight.

i agree that we need answers on that process, what happened and what did not. we started that process this week like conducting an oversight hearing. we will do more. we will continue to have questions. i am a member of the congress. regardless of party, congress has an independent obligation to conduct oversight and that is what we will do. host: burnside, kentucky, perry on the republican line. caller: i would like to thank you for your service to our country, first of all. i am a republican. a very conservative republican. i believe our congress and senate should be there for our people first. my question is, how come we have to put all this stuff in one deal? why can't we take these things and work them out one at a time

for the betterment of the people of our country, democrat or republican? instead of trying to fight and fuss over this stuff, just do it one thing at a time and don't spend trillions of dollars at once? host: we let the congress respond. guest: the process we are going through now is we are trying to bring people's various priorities into this bill. we need to pass a bill like this, we need to build a coalition. we build coalitions that represent different parts of the country. what the northeast wants is different from what the southwest wants. which is different from what the rocky mountain west wants. we try to bring it together in a package that people can support across the spectrum. it gives different parts of the country, different constituencies, a part of this. everyone needs to have a part of

this win. i think that's an important component. in terms of the size of this, we just -- we are at a moment in time in our nation's history the challenges we face are so deep, so entrerched. we deferred action for so long. we haven't made big investments in infrastructure since right after world war t we built our indstate system, electric grid, and water distribution system in the 1950's and 1960's then stopped making big investments. it's been getting worse and worse. we have deferred this. we can't defer it any longer. we are going to have to make the choice and continue to kick the can down the road, in which case we are not going to be the america we grew up in. we are not going to be able to compete with china and others. or are we going to be bold? are we going to say we are not going to defer this anymore and do big things. our children rely on it. that's what this is about. recognizing that we can't defer

these big decisions. it's time to go big and address the challenges we face. host: congressman jason crow represents the denver area. thanks so much for being with us on the journal this morning. guest: thanks, i enjoyed the conversation. host: there is more ahead. how much more we are not sure because the house could come in as early as 9:30 this morning. but regardless, we are going to open up our phone lines to hear from you in our open forum. republicans it's 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. to talk about any of the things we talked about so far including government spending, the fate of the infrastructure bill, afghanistan withdrawal. we talked with the congressman or immigration. or issues that you're seeing that we haven't talked about yet this morning. it's open forum. next here on "washington journal." ♪

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vote in the house today. the state of play in the u.s. house is that the majority leader has said there will be -- they will come in no earlier than 9:30 eastern this morning. so we have at least 25 minutes or so to talk back and forth and perhaps even be until 10:00 eastern. start dialing at 202-748-8001. 202-748-8000 for democrats. all others 202-748-8002. monday, monday will mark the start of the new supreme court term, but looks like they may be without one justice. this is greg storr who covers the court for bloomberg, justice kavanaugh has tested positive for covid-19. the supreme court says he has no symptoms. he's fully vaccinated. story in the "new york times" this morning about a new case they added to their docket this term. the supreme court on thursday agreed to hearing -- hear a challenge to federal campaign finance law brought by senator

ted cruz, republican of texas, and a dispute over whether boston must allow a private group to raise a flag bearing a cross in front of its city hall. they write the campaign finance law case concerns a federal law that places a $250,000 limit on the repayment of personal loans to campaign using money from post election donations. seeking to test the constitutional it of law, there cruz lent $260,000 to his 2018 re- election campaign. the law does not allow repayments of loans more than $250,000. so as long as campaigns use pree election donations and make the repayments within 20 days of the election, but the campaign did not repay mr. cruz by that deadline. he stands to lose $10,000. mr. cruz sued the federal election commission before a special three-judge district in washington arguing that the repayment cap violated the first amendment. go to your calls and comments on open forum. to our democrats line, lou in

highland park, illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. i have been listening to "washington journal" for years and i appreciate the show. my general comment is that government spending really is government investment. the money, let's say, for example, people are spending money on childcare, that goes into an american's pocket. that also goes into the grocery store. eventually goes into the farmer's pocket. it's -- it's just really a way of putting money into the economy. i don't think spending is the correct term. it's really government investment. i think the people calling who are opposed to government spending should really consider that the economy now is in trouble and requireses investment. i'm all in favor of ms. pelosi's

plan to put money into our economy. host: next up, richard on the republican line in oklahoma. richard, you are on the air. caller: yes. i just heard another guy that reminds me of somewhere about 1977. lived through that with jimmy carter. inflation killed everything. interest rates on houses went up 24%, 25% everywhere you went to try to find one. it's not the spending money does anything for it. it takes money out of the economy. the people who have the money spend it. that puts it back in the economy. the government reaches in and takes it out of the economy. you have inflation. you can't do it and be sane. i lived through it 50 years ago.

i don't want to see it done to my kids and grandkids. it needs to stop. all the crap that they do and it still don't do any good for the people. you all want to spend us into oblivion. so congress can take over i do believe. that's exactly what pelosi and them are doing right now. that's my two cents. thank you. host: ok. to wilmington, north carolina, ruth on our independent line. you are on, go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. i'm calling -- i would like to identify with the first speaker who spoke about investment. and i do agree. i'm also very disappointed and concerned about democrats who refer to themselves as progressives. i voted democratic all of my voting years, but now i am very

disappointed. i don't know what the real agenda is. i think right now we need to get something done and those democrats who are holding up progress by saying -- using the platform of the media to talk about how they are going to vote and why they are going to vote, i think it's a mistake. i think that they need to look at history and reneed to get one piece done and work on the other pieces because most americans, i do believe, feel those other pieces are necessary. but they won't be done like putting everything in the pot that you think ought to be done. so they need to wake up the young folk who just joined the group, and study the history and pay their dues and bide their time and not be self-motivateed.

it's just so very disappointing. i'm 79. i have seen a lot. i don't believe in waiting, but there is more than one way to get something done. you know what we used to say, more than one way to skin a cat. so whoever can call them in, bernie sanders, whoever you are, wherever you are, the leader of the progressives, call them in and let's get it done and let's keep on moving forward. host: we had alex of the hill on with us earlier who told us, doesn't think that the infrastructure bill will come up for a vote in the house today. this was reporting on the situation with joe manchin. manchin throws down the gauntlet with progressives. joe manchin is in the driver's seat, he writes, in letting liberal democrats in the house and senate know that he plans to set the terms for the budget reconciliation bill. they hope to use to enact president biden's build back better agenda. billy of bloomberg covers

capitol hill for bloomberg tweeting this morning about what may be ahead this morning in the u.s. house. here it is. house democratic caucus meeting will begin at 10:30a.m. in person attendance is highly encouraged. says a memo to members. this meeting is strictly members only for security purposes all members will be -- joining virtually must turn their webcams on to join the meeting. that's the democratic caucus in the u.s. house now happening at 10:30 eastern. for an update for things from the white house, the white house end of pennsylvania avenue, we are joined by bloomberg's justin sink, white house correspondent, good morning. guest: thanks so much for having me. host: we were just hearing about the house, potential meeting of democrats. what do we expect from the white house today in terms of the negotiations over the budget reconciliation measure? guest: the white house is sort of just kind of a bump in the

road. they still think they can make progress and move forward. i would expect the same cadre of aides led by domestic policy advisor susan rice, brian, the national economic director, steve, senior advisor to the president will be on capitol hill today meeting with whether it's joe manchin or kristen sinema, whoever they need to get to the table to iron out this deal. kind of get the sense from the white house that they are at least trying to portray this. it's still possibly in line to both put together a framework package and get the vote that they want on the infrastructure bill. as we saw last night, as much optimism she might have, it's not going to get this across the finish line based on the differences that exist within the caucus. host: the latest communication from the white house last night was the statement from the press secretary, jen psaki, part of

which said, while gems democrats do have differences we share common goals of creating good union jobs, building a clean energy future, cutting taxes for working families and small businesses, helping to give those families breathing room on basic expenses and doing it without adding to the deficit by making those at the top pay their fair share. the president canceled a trip to chicago, is he keeping locked down in terms of his schedule today? guest: that's the billing question. he doesn't have anything formally on the schedule today. the white house has indicated he will continue working the phones, talking to people. we also know the president likes to go home to wilmington over the weekends. there is going to be this question about whether -- i think that will be a big signal. how often the white house is about a deal coming together fairly quickly. that same statement jen said that a deal was closer than it's

ever been. that's an enthusiasm we haven't necessarily heard, especially from some of those more moderate democratic senators. if the white house really believes we are close, i would expect the president to start getting heavily engaged personally in these kind of hours before a potential vote. host: this is a two-prong front of the president's domestic agenda. the infrastructure bill, the $1 trillion infrastructure bill already passed in the senate, obviously. and tis build back better program. the social spending measures, the $3.5 trillion budget package. is there a plan b if this doesn't work? guest: i'm not sure. i think if you talk to folks in the white house they really think that this is the core of the president's domestic agenda. they want to figure out how to salvage either the infrastructure alone but also they have been very clear they want some part of that bigger build back better plan.

i think everybody is realistic that $3.5 trillion is not going to happen. it just doesn't have the support they need among democrats. the question is if they can find the middle ground that are demanding a more ambitious package and more moderate, more conservative democratic senators. that's the real thrust of things. the question is, if talks break down will the white house try to push forward on a infrastructure only vote? we asked jen psaki that question, in multiple different ways during the press briefing yesterday, she wouldn't really commit. i think that would be an interesting signal is if we see them try to bring republicans to the table in the house to pass this. or really start trying to use leverage and some of those progressive democrats threatening not to campaign for them to withhold funds, to really push them on that vote. that would be a clear indication they are abandoning that.

that's not where we are at in this process right now. host: justin covers the white house for bloomberg. keep abreast of his reporting at bloomberg.com and on twitter@justinsink. thanks so much for joining us. it is open forum here on washington journal this morning. up to 9:30 and probably until 10:00 eastern as we wait to find out what the house will come in today. we mentioned that democratic caucus meeting happening off the floor. at 10:30 eastern. we'll keep you posted on any updates we get about the schedule. also the senate coming in today at noon eastern. that will be over on c-span2. woodbridge, connecticut, on our democrats line. hear from christian, go ahead. caller: yes. thank you, bill, for taking my call this morning. i have a couple points to get in that probably haven't been discussed or might have been. i want to talk about corruption.

there's no organization more powerful on the planet and can move markets more effectively than the federal reserve. recently we have heard that two voting board members of the federal reserve bank were dealing in insider trading and they just resigned. powell, who is our fed chairman, is also border line question now whether he was doing inside trading with municipal bonds. if we remember, powell's in charge of the bailouts that we just had. he has investments with goldman sachs and black rock. we are also seeing corruption with our house leader, nancy pelosi, whose front running legislation with the d.o.d. contracts, her husband bought $5 million to $10 million worth of

calls, highly speculative bets that are highly profitable if they go in her direction. she's front running and doing insider trading with her husband. we have against letter at the s.e.c. who is our token fox watching the hen house. goldman sachs alum my. alumni. goldman sachs alumni. you have powell who has $100 million in the investments in the markets all -- half of that is with goldman sachs, the other half is with black rock. we have serious problems with corruption. as far as the infrastructure goes, i'm a democrat, but i cannot give more money to a government that's corrupt. i think the sooner we get to the problem of corruption, the more

we report on it, the more we put these people out of business that are dealing in it, the more trust people have in giving more money to the government to solve problems. host: we'll go to massachusetts. on the republican line. gale, hello. caller: thank you for taking my call. you do a wonderful job. the silent majority of us who sit back and keep our peace have been silent for too many years now. we are people of massachusetts, seniors that they want to say we are wrong, we are history, we lived through it. we lived through the school system in 1776 in junior high where we celebrated our biis bicentennial. we were proud of our american flag. we were proud because we were taught to not -- we came from families, we didn't spend eight hours a day listening to indoctrine nations.

we were taught to love the patriots that serve and protected us. it breaks our heart to see our sheriff in this state, ok, beinr heart. i can respectfully disagree with all of us. we all lived in peace. we all lived in peace in this nation. we never fought like we fought before. when the veil was removed and like the man said, the corruption, i was a small business owner. and the unpaid sales taxes. and that crisis and the bailout. they had a law in massachusetts, they attached my husband's driver's license. what they do in this state with their laws to a business, to hardworking americans is pathetic. the money they take from us. programs. we don't even benefit from. i just want to say this is a nation of peace, but it's now turning into a nation of european wealthier state with corruption at the media.

it breaks our heart. we know the truth. we love this nation. we love the military. we hopper our law. especially our state police, they keep us safe. and now we are totally the enemy. i'm a health care worker in the union, i no longer have a job. i'm giving up the field because, again, i have been vaccinated. i worked my whole life. i went to college, radiology. now i'm the enemy. host: gail appreciate your call. a previous caller text says this, time to subsidize the american worker. the same way u.s.a. subsidizes corporations and the super wealthy. corporations are never going to do the right thing. why can't the government of the united states do it? on the story about senator cruz and the case before the supreme court, senator cruz wants to bypass campaign finance laws because he broke them? why have laws at law if the people who write them want to rewrite them when they break the

laws they craft. the earliest the house will come in this morning is 9:30 eastern according to the majority leader here on c-span as we have since 1979, we cover gavel-to-gavel live coverage of the u.s. house. that television fee, that video fee, comes from the u.s. house itself. that's what we see as we wait -- feed comes from the u.s. house. that's what we see. we'll get about a 15-minute warning before that. so will members and staff on capitol hill. the house is in recess subject to the call of the chair. they'll give them a 15-minute warning. we'll have it live when they gavel back in. jeanette on our democrats line in st. louis. hi. mute your volume on your television. go ahead with your comment. jeanette in st. louis, are you there? we'll go to statten island next and hear from linda, go ahead. independent line.

caller: i would just like to comment to all concerned in washington. especially if they are going to continue talks about the infrastructure bill. why don't you talk to me about adding a restitution bill for working families like mine that has been injured and died from past policies of abuse and neglect. thank you, sir. host: thank you. hollywood, florida, it is willie next up. go ahead. democrats line. caller: good morning. bill, i need -- jesse cut me off too quick about three months ago. so listen, god told me to tell his people that the devil and his angles, they turned away from him. and down here, they created their own righteousness which is

the constitution. no, sir -- not the 10 commandments. thou shall not kill my people. and thou shall not steal my people's money. god got laws, too. but they are eternal. you reap what you sow. host: we were talking about our coverage of the house here on c-span when they gavel back in. the u.s. senate is on c-span2, the senate coming in today at noon eastern for nominations. and on our new video app, mobile app c-span now, you'll find live and unfiltered coverage of the government proceedings of all kinds, including the house and senate, congressional hearings on there, white house events, and more. once a program ends, videos will stay available for at least 24 hours for on demand viewing in the latest program section. c-span now also has featured clips showing political highlights that are driving the news, of course you can find the most recent "washington journal"

segments, including the ones from today with the two congressmen we talked to at your fingertips. to get c-span now, vitt it the app store or google play. also find it online at c-span .org/c-span now. for more information and links to download the app. here from new york city, barbara on our independent line. open forum here on "washington journal." good morning. caller: good morning. representative jason crow was an excellent guest. i hope "washington journal" will bring him back again. would you please play the clip from the manchin interview where he talks about how the two bills, the hard infrastructure and the human infrastructure, should never have been linked together. and how they could pass the hard infrastructure as a stand alone. and lastly, i hope that josh gottheimer, representative gottheimer, and the group that he is part of who were promised

to look on the hard infrastructure bill will realize they have been double-crossed. i don't think nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, chuck schumer, i don't think they want these bills to pass. i think they don't want -- want them to fail so next year they can go around the country whining about how the neo-republicans didn't let them pass the infrastructure bill. thank you. host: roger -- excuse me, marching get in rogersville, tennessee. margaret. tennessee, go ahead. caller: i'm here. i'm here. host: go ahead. caller: ok. what i called about was they cry about the debt, the debt. our debt. and i was wondering when the senate republicans, the afghans, they just dumped the country in here, and this is what happens on 9/11. we taught them how to fly.

then hem. and they used that against us. i was wondering they are not -- not by the thousands -- hundreds but by the thousands. and they are housing them. providing clothing, shelter, their home is here in this country in any city across the whole united states are homeless people. people that work are losing their housing. myself, i lost a home because i wasn't able to pay due to sickness. why don't we let charity begin at home? why don't we take care what's in this country? the afghans turned back by the planeload, they took -- the haitians. also the mexicans at the border. they send them back. why is it ok, do they think for us to dump a country of afghans in here and take care of them and provide? they are crying about the debt, the debt. they can't take care of the

mothers that need care, childcare. they can't take care of people, the sick, the elderly. it's just too much. too much. why not? why not take care of your own country first? host: thank you. our republican line, moscow, pennsylvania, mike. hello. caller: hi. thanks for having me. i appreciate t i just wanted to personally thank senator manchin for figuratively -- it seems like from a consumer standpoint just watching this from the news he would be the figurative adult in the room. $3.5 trillion is just a little -- just crazy. wasn't that like the budget -- a loan for the country like some decades ago? how did it get this big with this amount of inflation? even though i came in on the republican line, i'm really only republican in the fiscal conservative sense. i do like the idea of social -- of the social ideas that they

have in some of these things. like childcare. we already pay a public tax to support our kids in the school. our youngest needs a little bit more attention. we should be doing the same. it doesn't make sense that that's pure private sector and everything else is getting public funding. then all those taxes are constantly going up. it's nice to see somebody in the room trying to level it out. honestly i think this is bad news for everybody no matter which way it goes. i appreciate you having me. host: thanks, mike. open forum here on "washington journal." perhaps up until 10:00 eastern, waiting to find out when the house will gavel in. 202-748-8001 the line for republicans. 202-748-8000, and for independents, 202-748-8002. nichlas wu from "the washington post" treat tweeting this. the house majority leader steny hoyer is asked if it will have a infrastructure vote today. quote, we'll see. so still a bit -- quite a bit of

uncertainty. this is a piece from the "usa today" this morning. their head leep, more than half of police killings unreported. more than half of police killings in the u.s. are not reported in official government data. black americans are most likely to experience fatal police violence according to a new study released thursday. more than 55% of deaths from police violence from 1980 to 2018 were misclassified or unreported in official vital statistics reports, according to the pier reviewed study by a group of more than 90 collaborators from the lanceet. previous studies have found similar rates of underreporting. the new paip certificate one of the longest study periods to date. pensacola, florida, next up. we hear from larry on our democrat line. caller: yes. i was in question of a tweet that came in a representative

from california. he went straight to his talking point. what was the question he never answered. i want to ask, are jobs being taken or are they being given? and this is mostly republican hiring them. thank you. host: all right. to nashville, we go. on the independent line, dan. hello. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to publicly advocate for the release of stuart schiller. this man served our country. he basically just demanded accountability from the quagmire of our withdrawal from afghanistan. basically they -- to make an example of him put him in the bringing. brigg. he offered to resign honorably, they would not let him. i think it's just -- every american should be so angry

about this no matter what their political affiliation. this is a total, total travesty of justice. and i can't believe that more people aren't up in arms about this. host: thanks for bringing that up. it is open forum here on "washington journal." kind of touched on this earlier, but here's the -- the ramifications of that infrastructure bill not passing. transportation funding lapses after pelosi pulls infrastructure vote. highway funding lapsed friday, today, after house speaker nancy pelosi pulled a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill which would have re- authorized key transportation programs. as a result, thousands of department of transportation employees will be furloughed and the federal highway administration, which provides funding for roads, projects across the country will be shut down. state and local transportation officials have said that little will change if the federal funding lapses for a day or two. but a prolonged shut down would lead to widespread delays of

road and transit projects. in louisville, connecticut, hello to patty -- kentucky, hello to patty on the democrats line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i wanted to respond to a caller probably about 10 calls ago about the corruption in the government. he was talking about -- host: yep. caller: i remember i believe it was kelly loeffler, if i'm not mistaken, and republican man also, i'm not sure. that were doing inside trading after supposedly they had gotten information about the covid vaccine before the rest of the country did. they had bought a lot of stock in things that they knew were going to go up.

and when that was brought out, there were a lot of people outraged over it. we were kind of just told that congress is exempt from that. i'm not sure if that's true or not. and then also mitch mcconnell's wife supposedly made a lot of money on what she did with china for her family's company. i'm not pointing fingers at republicans or democrats, like that man that called earlier did. i'm just saying we all realize that the government has a lot of corruption on both sides. and i think that the reason that they really need to pass the voting rights act and the john

lewis deal -- bill is basically for the dark money and power. i really believe that needs to be gone. i think that money corrupts, period. if it's in your face, i guess, in big amounts like it probably is there, it's hard to turn it down. people that go there with good intentions end up not staying with those intentions because of the money that's being lobbied. i guess that's just the point i wanted to make. it really needs to have that -- have somebody do something about that because i do believe that is what causes all the corruption. thank you. host: sherman covers congress for punch bowl news. congress and more. tweet just moments ago, i caught up with speaker pelosi who asked me if i spent the night there,dy not. i asked her if she expects the

vote today. quote, we are on a path. she said she'll have a quote, conversation later today with us. i look forward to hearing more. reporting in kennesaw, georgia, eduardo, independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i'm going to try to make this quick. just one point. for all the people talking about the infrastructure and the budget reconciliation bill. we are talking about $3.5 trillion. i know that's a lot of money. it is. but it's spread over 10 years. $350 billion per year. let's put into perspective with our defense spending, we are putting $700 billion a year in defense spending. that's more than the next 10 countries combined. even if we cut a little bit into our military budget, we could pay for that using -- for the budget reconciliation bill using that cut.

but i don't know why people are so up in arms about. that's just my point. host: caller that brought up the marine lieutenant colonel stuart schiller. this is a tweet from two days ago from louie gohmert of texas, in a letter to the u.s. marine corps commandant, my colleagues and i have asked lieutenant colonel stheurt schiller be released from pretrial confinement. the reporting on that from news nation, cleunt colonel scheller in military brigg on criticism on withdrawal from afghanistan. he went viral last month after they posted criticizing his chain of command upon the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. relieved of his duties last week after his initial criticism has been put in pretrial confinement and marine basement lejeune in north carolina now being accused of violating four articles of

the uniform code of military justice. that reporting from news nation late yesterday. summer set, new jersey -- somerset, new jersey, joe on the republican line. caller: good morning. how are you. i have a question for you first of all and then a point about what's going on. my question to you is, the last couple of days that you guys have had guests congressmen, don't know if you had a senator, i think he you did, why do you guys separate them? wouldn't it be bettory put the republican and democrat together for more show to let them both respond? host: believe me, we try to do that as often as we can. one, it's been harder during covid to get two guests in the room. we are just trying to keep protocol, safety protocols in mind. two, with their schedules -- let's face it. it's a partisan world up on capitol hill. we do ask quite a bit. we have been suck successful bringing members together -- we have been successful bringing members together sometimes.

it's a very good point. caller: i think with the satellites you could do it if you do for sports you put the two up. my point, first of all i think it's the problem a lot of people have called in don't realize. the democrats have lied throughout all of this that are going on. number one, the infrastructure bill with the roads, even the climate change stuff, the $1.7 bill it was done with both republicans and democrats. they said they would bring it up and vote on it. they didn't do that because they want this $3 -- 3.5. the second thing that happened was, i'm here in new jersey, but new york, new jersey, and connecticut supposedly made a pact, i hope i got the information correctly here, that a.o.c. and also long island congressman oning on ladd island, that all the joint congressional people would not vote the 3.5 millions -- unless they put in i believe it's called salt. you could take out your local

taxes. they did not put that in the bill. they made a pact that they would not vote for, including schumer said the same thinking, too, he would not vote for it unless they put the salt thing into the bill. they didn't do that. the democrats have been lying all throughout that. that is really the crux of this whole problem. it has nothing to do with the money. has nothing to do with the cost. they have been lying since the start of this. that's what i think the points are. thank you very much c-span has a great show. thank you. host: kathleen in dayton, ohio. democrats line. caller: thanks. i really -- first i want to say west virginia is such an incredibly beautiful state, but i want to just ask west virginians and arizonans, why would their reps, why would senator manchin be voting against a two-year community

college for people who can't access? pre-k for children. internet on the back roads of west virginia. when you look at the scales, you look at the charts, and 50 being the worst out of 50 states, health care is at 47. close to the bottom in west virginia. education, 45 out of 50. being the worst. the economy is 48. infrastructure, 50. so how is it that senator manchin and senator sinema can really stand in the way of what's best for their constituents? i would encourage people who have internet, a lot of back roads in west virginia don't have internet. some people can't afford it. but people should google, via their google machine and joe scar scarborough calls t. and look up who is backing senator

sina and senator manchin in regards to big corporate money. this infrastructure bill will be for the constituents, for the majority of americans, and voters should really be thinking carefully about watching the vote from manchin and sinema again. again, west virginia is in big trouble in a lot of areas. why manchin is standing in the way of benefiting the majority of people, as well as in arizona, people should look at that really closely. thank you. host: kathleen in ohio. a similar sentiment from tony of brooklyn who says this. why not just leave arizona and west virginia out of the human infrastructure bill? supreme court's new term we mentioned earlier begins on monday. this is "politico's" reporting of a speech by justice athleteo. athleteo speaks out object texas abortion case and shadow can docket. justice samuel athleteo leak -- alito leaped into a political fray lashing back at critics who

accused the justices of increasingly issuing momentous decisions on emergency docket without the benefit of a full briefing or oral arguments. he said complaints about the court shadow docket are misplaced and intended to conjure up images of justice conspiring to advance their ideological agendas under the cover of darkness. quote, the catchy and sinister term, shadow docket, has been used to pore ray the court as having been captured by a dangerous cabal that looks for improper methods to get its waste. he said in his speech, this portrayal feeds -- leads unprecedented efforts to intimidate the court on damage it as an independent institution. one measure how directly alito was stepping into the political battle, as he acknowledged during his speech just yesterday, the senate judiciary committee held a hearing to air criticism of the high court for its use of the so-called shadow docket. in high profile cases. open forum. hear from stephanie in

huntington park, california. independent line. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i just want -- i would like to follow with that caller from ohio who was talking about the manchin and sinema. i think we are seeing a new term with the way mass media is questioning these senators in question. he got upset when -- i'm not sure what reporter it was, had mentioned something about his dividends and his investments. manchin was like -- he got upset. i think we are seeing a new turn with in a. i think no -- turn with that. i think no question should be off limits. i like how when turner referred to manchin and sinema as owner donors. i think this whole -- it's not so much about democrat in fighting as the way everybody wants to see, they need to understand that progressives are holding the line because this

money is for the people. and not for their investments. that's just the point i wanted to make. thank you. host: to marshall in brooksville, florida. on the republican line. caller: yes, good morning. thank you for taking my call. i have been watching that hearing or whatever they want to call it about the committee on the generals and everybody. i would like to know why the generals are in secretary of security i think it is, can get no problems and that that lieutenant colonel, which told the truth about everything, he's in the brigg. it's not right what is actually happening. i was in the marine corps. it was a chain of command. both them generals have broke the chain of command when they went over the president's head

and did not give them an answer. this lieutenant colonel, the family is trying very hard to get him out of the bringing -- brigg. i hope and pray that everybody like your governor to help that family out. it seems like the generals are throwing him under the bus and that's what's happening. i appreciate your call. everybody have a good day. please, everybody, help this family out and get that lieutenant colonel out of the brigg. write your governors. thank you. host: we appreciate your call. this is from the front page of the "new york times" this morning on vaccine mandates. mandates are working as vaccinations surge. the times writes until now the biggest unknown about mandating covid-19 vaccines in workplaces has been whether such requirements would lead to compliance or significant departures by workers unwilling to get shots.

at a time when many places were already facing staffing shortages, so far a number of early mandates show few indications of large-scale resistance. mandates are working said john, a physician and professor at the school of public health at the university of california brk lee. if you define working by the percentage of people getting vaccinated and not leaving their jobs in droves. another view from keith in florida here who sends this text, if big brother biden issued a vaccine mandate, no exceptions for federal workers, about 21 days ago, workers will be fired, norfolk naval shipyard is only 40% vaccinated. is biden going to fire the roughly the 60% roughly, 7200 workers with an aircraft carrier and two subsequent being overhauled? our government is being run by amateur ideologues. c-span, that's a real issue. north dakota says this, as a nation we are struggling with two large institutions which are the media and education. these problems are not mutually

exclusive. our public schools must intentionally develop schools that empower citizens to filter through the propaganda that's thrown at them from the range of, quote, news stations who are anything but news. and we need regulations such as disclaimers that require the propaganda channels such as fox to articulate who owns the propaganda they are constantly spinning. roberta in connecticut, democrats line. you are next. caller: hello. how are you? host: fine. caller: hi. i watch c-span house of representatives and the senate mostly daily. especially in these times. i'm kind of confused when people talk about the infrastructure and 3.5 and their indications that everybody's going to have taxes raised and all that. in following biden and his

campaign, he always talked about the fact that all of this would be paid by big corporations and billionaires, and that the money that we are paying off is for debt we incurred under trump. so this isn't money ahead, this is money for bills spent by the past administration. that's the 3.5. the reconciliation, or build back better, takes care of everything, and it's not paid for by the middle class individuals. it's paid for by a higher tax on big corporations. the infrastructure was linked to this simply because we wanted to do it all together. and what i'm finding is people like manchin and others are thinking about this as, oh, it's going to cost a lot.

if you have been keeping up, the 3.5 has nothing to do with we are going to raise in the future, it is already being paid by the higher taxes on the billionaires and the top 1%. it's a fair bill for average americans like myself. i wish that if everybody just take a look at what's going on in the bills and watch c-span house and senate, i think you would get a better idea of the workings and the personalities, i will say, going on. thank you. host: great. that's the whole idea. live coverage of the u.s. house. coming up, we understand at 10:00 that the house will come in at 10:00. that's the word. immediately gavel out. that is because they are still in the legislative day of thursday. we'll have the coverage here on c-span when they gavel in.

ryan of cnn tweeting about reaction from the senate side. mitt romney in particular. calling last night a quote, profound disappointment, calling it unacceptable that the bipartisan infrastructure plan is, quote, being held hostage by the most extreme house democrats for a completely unrelated and still unwritten piece of legislation. david's next in evansville, indiana, on the republican line. good morning. david. caller: i wanted to bring up something about yellen. congress enacted rulings, laws, i guess, to try to limit their spending by having the debt ceiling. and then a banker, yellen, comes in and says, i don't think we should have any limit whatsoever. what kind of made me go back to when jackson go a -- did away with the bank of the united

states, and vindma didn't care what it was going to do to the united states, he threatened to crash the economy of the united states. i don't think he was worried about the effect of getting rid of the bank or the economy of the united states, because he was willing to crash the economy of the united states. i think what he was really worried about was jackson stepping between the trough that the pigs were feeding at. host: ok. thanks, david. this is a headline -- paul covers the u.s. capitol for "the washington post" has a regular column. p.k. capitol. this is about the congressional baseball game. baseball game seems tone deaf as congress comes close to whipping deadlines. writing that with coach to do legislatively at the moment, moving forward with the baseball game on wednesday night appeared politically tone deaf. rather than staying in session to approve a resolution to fund the government when the midnight thursday deadline to avoid a

shutdown, both chambers adjourned in the late afternoon so lawmakers and staff could have a mile down south capital street for the 2019 world series champions. this spars meetings that go deep into the night to bridge the divides. not on wednesday night. not even with the prospect of a potential default on the nation's $28 trillion debt 19 days away. that's also complicating the legislative agenda. david next in the video from the president at that game on wednesday at nats park. dave in mckinleyville, california. independent line. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i would like to say a word in defense of joe manchin. i don't know if you remember the simpson bowls commission that was -- simpson-bowles commission that was commissioned by president barack obama -- host: yes. caller: to address the growing national debt, which was

generally agreed was growing at an unsustainable rate to the point that interest on the debt was becoming the largest -- fastest growing sector of the budget. this commission, which was headed up by -- bipartisan, headed up by alan simpson, a former republican senator from wyoming. and erskin bowles, a democrat from the clinton administration, have the task of coming up with solutions to address this budget issue. the number one recommendation they came up with, and the one they said was absolutely essential, was to reduce the growth of entitlements. in this country. entitlements account for nearly 2/3 of the federal budget. and the two largest entitlements, medicare and social security, are on a path to insolvency in the very near future. social security, about 12 years. when the social security trust fund runs out.

medicare in about five years. and yet this proposal that the democrats are making with this so-called team and infrastructure bill, would not only expand medicare to include coverage for dental, vision, hearing, lower the eligibility age from 65 to 60 to get benefits, joe manchin is absolutely right that we can't afford social security and medicare to propose expanding medicare and creating all these new entitlements is fiscal insanity. they are talking about expanded medicare. childcare, elderly care, free community college, universal

pred-education. pre-k education. you don't see -- it's worth noting that people from all over the world aren't rushing to get into european countries that have these massive social programs. they are coming to the united states because of the opportunity that economic freedom and limited government has created here. thank you. host: thanks for that observation. another observation on the motivations behind the administration is from linda in texas. sends us this tweet. the president is looking down the road. millennials, generations on track to outnumber baby boomers by 2028. therefore social programs are an issue to them. we are just a couple minutes away from 10:00. so if i cut you off fast it is because the house will come in very quickly and it is our mission to cover every bit of the u.s. house. we may not get much of a warning.

just giving you a warning if i am rude and cut off a caller quickly, that's the reason why. i'll see video come up on the screen and we'll go to the house floor as quickly as we can. let's hear from gary in moorefield, west virginia, gary, democrats line. caller: good morning. the gentleman from california always like how they always put social security in entitlements. yeah, might be anonymity because people work to put it in to get something back later on in their lifetime. medical, well, if you are rich, hey, good on you. i can tell you what, west virginia isn't. this state is getting poorer and poorer. if joe manchin doesn't get off his keister and do what he's supposed to because people are moving out of the west virginia because they want to get stuff in here, but everything's being blocked by the republicans

because there is no money. they are talking about taxes and everything else in this state. this governor here, he's rich because of his family. just like joe manchin. he's gone through it all, but he's got money. he's got a daughter that's head of a pharmaceutical company. she's c.e.o. things like that. everybody's talking about sinema. sinema wants to get a piece of the action, that's why she's meeting all these companies out there trying to get that little piece of the pie before she leaves office. everybody wonders why. and the gentleman when the lieutenant colonel, if he was in the marine corps, he should know better. he keeps saying about what the lieutenant colonel and generals do. well, the generals just know what's going on. it's not what the lieutenant colonel did and how he went around it about doing it. i have been too long in all my

lifetime and my father, me, everybody else in my family that's been through the military, trust me it's not what he said, it's how he approached it. he should have approached it in a different localized area there and now just where he should. talk to the base commander or whatever, and go through chain of command. he could have gotten it out. a lot better the easy way of doing things. host: let's go to roberta, san diego, california. good morning. republican line. caller: i think it's interesting how these democrats call in all the time but none of them serve. host: i'm going to let you go there. we have to go live to the u.s. house he chair declares the hous in recess subject to the call of the chair.