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explain for us what typology is. >> guest: it's an unusual study in the sense that we look at the landscape through a different lens, not just through party. we look at values and attitudes. on that basis, we break them down into distinct groups based on those values and attitudes. a new study came out last week. we find nine different groups across the political spectrum for democrats and republicans. it's a different kind of study that shows the diversity of views. host: before we dig into those nine groups, who did you ask these questions to? guest: we asked more than 10,000 americans a couple of months ago

on our trends. we did this statistical process called clustering. your attitudes draw you within a group. they are attitudes on key issues and political values that place you in groups. we did a lot of statistical analysis. that's how we came up with these groups. host: if you have the ability to go online as you are watching, we are going to be talking about different groups in political typology. it is available on pew research.org. let's start on the right. the four different groups, starting with the faith and flag conservatives. guest: they are consistent

conservatives across all issues and very conservative. even more conservative than the average republican. it's not as if there are exceptions. many of them live in rural areas. they all nearly voted for donald trump in 2020. they are highly politically engaged. they pay attention to politics, high voting participation. they are an anchor of the republican party. host: 10% our faith and flag conservatives. 7% or 15% of publican party are committed conservatives. what are they? guest: they are also very conservative. they -- there are some areas

where they might diverge from other groups in the republican coalition. going back to the former president, they voted for donald trump at high rates, almost all of them voted for him in 2020. they are not quite as high on the president in terms of his political future. they are less likely to say they want him to run for another term. there are a few reservations there. they are not quite as conservative hard-core on every issue. host: another large chunk of the party is the populist right representing 23% of the party. who are they? guest: they are very strong

trump supporters. on social issues in particular, especially on immigration, very conservative. they are very anti-immigration. on economic attitudes, they diverge from a lot of republican party positions. they are highly critical of u.s. corporations. a majority say that tax rates on high-end, should be raised. they are in favor of raising taxes on corporations. they are cynical about the fairness of the economic system. in that regard, they are closer to democrats than other republicans. on most issues, they do to the party line. on economic policy, that's where they are different. host: the ambivalent right, who

are they? guest: they are also very interesting. they are the youngest group in the republican coalition. they hold more mixed views, especially they are more supportive of legal abortion, legalizing marijuana than some of the other republican groups. they are not quite as hard-core conservative as some of the other groups. most of them voted for donald trump. this is a group that is mixed politically. this is based on their attitudes. they are a little bit more of a swing group, if there is one in politics today. they are not going to vote for democrats, some of them, their participation is pretty low.

they are not that drawn to politics the way the ideologically oriented groups are. host: let's go to the blue, representing 6% of the general public and 12% of democrats is the progressive left. who are they? guest: they are the bookends. they are liberal on almost every issue. they are very animated about the need for change in the country. more than 60% say -- they favor bigger government and say the social safety net needs to be expanded. they really want to address racism by rebuilding institutions because they are fundamentally biased.

they are the only group in democrats that is majority white and non-hispanic. they hold very highly liberal views across the board. like the faith and flag conservatives on the right, they are very highly engaged. they voted high levels. most of them are very intense. host: about one quarter of the party are establishment liberals. guest: they are -- they are liberal across the board as well. they are less supportive of sweeping change to achieve objectives. they are not quite -- their views are more tempered in that regard. they are more diverse. they are not quite as liberal as

the progressives. host: it's the democratic mainstays that represent 28% of the party. who are they? guest: they are the largest democratic group within the typology. they are more moderate and the other two groups on the left. on an issue like immigration, legal immigration, they are not a supportive of increasing legal immigration. they hold more moderate views on a variety of issues. they are a large group, very strong supporters of joe biden. during the presidential primary, they were the group that stood out because they have been with him from the beginning.

they are the largest group. host: the outsider left representing 16%. guest: they are the youngest group in the entire typology. they are very young. they are very liberal on most issues. unlike -- in striking contrast to the mainstays, they are critical to the party. they are kind of unhappy with the direction of the party. they feel left out for the most part. they voted for joe biden, but they are not really that attached to the party. in a two-party system, they are not going to vote for republicans.

this is where they landed. host: i wish we had nine phone lines to give out. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent voters (202) 748-8002. let us know which of those typologies is closest to your beliefs. we are talking about the pew research center. there is one more group in the typology. you call them the stressed side minors. that is 15% of the country. guest: they are the politically mixed group. they are divided between republicans and democrats. what distinguishes them is their low rates of participation. you have this independent group. many of them don't.

they are the swing vote. they are the kinds of voters that close elections are decided by. often, they set out elections. they don't follow politics that closely. they are financially stressed. this is the group that is kind of interesting. in this polarized environment, they stand out for being mixed politically. they are not that engaged. host: it's ok to bring up gallup. i wonder why the latest political affiliation survey from gallup says it's 26% of the public that says they are republican, 26 democrats, this big group in the middle 44% identify as independent voters. square that with what is just 15

percent who are really in the middle, though they may not to soup eight. -- participate. guest: the share of self ascribed independence has been growing. our data is very similar to that. this is not all it seems to be. many of those lean to one party or the other. that means they don't want to affiliate. they had a partisan leaning. on most issues, they are going to line up with the democrats or the republicans. the three groups closest to the middle all have very high shares of independence. with the outsider left, most of them lean to the democratic

party. the ambivalent right, mostly to the republican party. they are still independent. they vote with that party. they tend to vote with that party. it's when you dig a little bit deeper that you see they are the most politically mixed. host: are you saying there are republicans who have more in common with some democrats than they do with may be some of the people at the extreme of their own party? guest: absolutely. that's one of the key findings of the survey. the populist right is very interesting to see how they line up with democrats, they come

close to the mainstream democrats on economic policy issues, even as they hold the republican views on immigration and the size of government. host: we've got about a half an hour left in our program. the phone lines are open for you to call. we have several calls for you. karen is in virginia. good morning. caller: you took the words out of my mouth. i consider myself probably more independent, but i think i am centerleft. i have a question about west virginia. i don't understand how you have a base of constituents that say they are republican, they had a democratic governor -- senator. then, they are one of the

poorest states in the country. they live on socialist values. social services, i don't understand how they call themselves republicans but they don't want to be called socialists. they take advantage and live on every socialist program that's out there. we have joe manchin who is all over the place. i am trying to understand that dynamic. guest: people's political attitudes are very complicated and aren't always consistent. west virginia is a state that is in transition, voted strongly for donald trump. it has a democratic senator plena key role in the budget debate. there are a lot of democrats

left in west virginia. west virginia moved from very democratic to very republican over the last generation. they may still have their own party registration. they don't really consider themselves people who have switched. it's a state in transition. in terms of the government programs, it's a question of which ones they choose to make most important in their decisions. it's interesting that senator manchin, he has won election in west virginia as a moderate democrat when the state does strongly support republican candidates for president. host: this is sean.

good morning. caller: i heard you just say that people typically vote on various issues. you put them into these categories. where do you yourself fit into these categories? guest: i have to admit, i use this opportunity to figure out where you fit. the typology quizzes a few questions you answer. this is not a dodge. i have taken the quiz so many times because i want to make sure that if you take it from a certain point of view, you end up in the right group. i have tested it so often i'm not sure if i've ever really taken it on my own. i will just use that as a dodge.

we are nonpartisan at the pew research center. we are not affiliated with either policy. we don't take political positions. i have taken it a number of times. i take it to make sure the groups line up the right way based on their attitudes and values. i've never taken it as an individual. host: what do you think comes from better understanding this? guest: while we always talk about polarization and it's a real fact of american political life, there is a complexity to political views that also exists in this environment. the landscape is a lot more complicated than people might think looking at these dynamics. host: when it comes to what

everybody focuses on it, the next election down the road, which of these nine different groups are the most politically engaged? if you are running for election, who is your base? guest: that's a great question. the most ideological groups on the left and right, are sort of the court groups in each party. we are a long way from the 2022 election. we did this part of the survey. this is based on several surveys. we did that about congressional midterms.

already, very high engagement, especially among those ideologically oriented groups. they think it really matters what group controls congress pray to those groups in the middle or less likely to say that. the question is, especially in the general election, do these middle groups, do they turn out to vote? that's going to be the test for both parties. host: cindy is a republican. good morning. caller: thank you for c-span. i often use pew research when i'm looking up subject. i didn't want to ask, when you classified under republicans, when you say we are anti-immigration, are you asking

about illegal immigration with caravans coming across and people being coached on asylum? are you talking about legal immigration. i don't feel any republicans are against. guest: a lot of republicans are against increasing the rate of legal immigration. many would like to reduce the amount of legal immigration. you are right to make the distinction between views on illegal immigration and the border. we do see very big differences between the coalitions and sometimes within then about the rate of legal immigration. the populist right stands out for being highly skeptical of legal immigration. host: in florida, good morning.

caller: -- host: to david in maryland. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. i have a quick question. i have a question related to extremism and violence. the fbi published there is growing concern about extremism on both sides. i consider myself a moderate democrat. can you go into detail and target one of your groups or maybe two of the groups on both sides, which is most extreme according to the fbi? thank you for bringing this topic. guest: it's very difficult to ask about political violence. it's a fraught subject.

it's a difficult question to answer. we don't see a lot of support for political violence among any of these groups. a small share says it could be justified in some way. you will see some surveys that show large percentages. it's a very difficult question to ask about. it is something that has to be careful about. host: you mentioned the survey viewers can go to. you can find your own political typology, where you fit in this chart. take it as you will, she asks

what am i? i am physically conservative. guest: you might be in one of those three groups. you might land in one of those three groups. it would be interesting to see where you do land. it's a combination of views the places you would one of these groups. take the quiz and see where you end up. host: the faith and flag conservatives comedy committed conservatives. in the middle is the 15% that are the stressed side liners. on the left, the outsider left, the democratic mainstays, establishment liberals, the progressive left. there are nine political types the pew research center has come up with. have there always been nine? guest: we do it new each time.

we have done it since 1987, if you can believe it. we started this in 1987. it's been around for a long time. it's had the same basic structure. we have changed the questions over the years. we have change the method for, and with the groups. the number of groups varies and the types of groups. it reflects the current landscape and politics. it's new each time. host: this is annie in brooklyn. caller: thank you for c-span. i have a question. texas and florida and the midwest, state centers controlling oil prizes, especially right before the

holidays, can you talk to the fact that corporations are focused mostly on keeping americans in a certain class to vote for them? can you discuss how they control and focus on the tax liability? it's time to focus on corporations being more responsible. can you talk to that? guest: this is an area that divides democrats and some republicans. you see the groups on the typology same the economic system is really not fair to most americans. you find one republican group that says that as well. it's not completely partisan. it's a viewpoint out there. people are critical of corporations.

we have seen republicans become more critical of corporations over the last couple of years. it is certainly an issue out there. mostly, most of the criticism is clearly among the left and democrats. they are the groups that for the most part want to raise tax rates on corporations. host: a question from twitter. what does politically engaged actually mean it? does that denote interest as well as the acquiring of accurate information? guest: that's a good question. it's both participation in politics, meaning voting, and whether you follow it. how often do you pay attention?

it's just a general measure of your interest in politics. host: we've got just about 15 minutes. the phone lines again, (202) 748-8000 democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. independent voters, (202) 748-8002. pew research is where you can go to get the report that came out last week. carroll doherty is joining us this morning, taking your phone calls. this is dan in massachusetts. good morning. caller: thank you for having me on. i am really curious about the segment of voter -- voters that actually got joe biden into office. that would be the unverified

absentee vote. wouldn't it be interesting to find out where all of these unverified absentee votes came from and what their political persuasion was. this last cycle of presidential election, we saw an overwhelmingly number of voters come in unseen before. joe biden goat the most votes ever in the history of the united states for a president. trump was right there with him. we had an overwhelming flood of unverified absentee voters. i would wager a very large amount of money that nearly 100% of those absentee unverified voters went one direction.

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