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of pro-choice america. the aids institutes michael ruppal talks about the biden administration's work fighting hiv/aids. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: the u.s. supreme court today once again becomes the focal point of america's the portion -- abortion debate with demonstrators expected. inside its chambers justices will hear over an hour of arguments indicates that many have called the most significant abortion case in 50 years. good morning, it is the first day of the last month of 2021. this is washington journal. in this first hour we will hear from proponents on both sides of the argument and hear from you.
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demonstrators gathering on capitol hill outside the u.s. supreme court. the line to for republicans is (202) 748-8001. for democrats it is (202) 748-8000. independents and others it is (202) 748-8002. we welcome your thoughts on text, (202) 748-8003. we will keep an eye on the facebook page and look for your post on instagram and twitter. we will be keeping and i as well on the crowd outside the supreme court. we will hear news conferences later on. this won't let you know about the coverage plans of oral arguments today. we will cover that live over on c-span3. you can also follow it on our new mobile app. the new york times this morning with photos of the inside of that medical clinic in jackson,
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mississippi, at the heart of the debate. the jackson women's health clinic organization of jackson, mississippi. some photos from inside the clinic that continues to operate. the fate to be term and partly. we are joined this morning by our first guest of the hour, the president of the susan b. anthony list and has been with that organization since 1993. welcome. guest: thank you so much, it is good to be back. host: tell us about this case. a bit of the background on this and why it wound up at the supreme court? guest: this case was agreed to. four justices had to agree to take this case up. they agreed to answer one question. if any limit on abortion,
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pre-viability constitutional. that is exactly the question the pro-life movement has been trying to get the supreme court to take up for quite some time. they have passed all sorts of just station limits. hundreds of bills have gone into law. the question is if the court answers yes in june or july, there are some pre-viability limits they see as constitutional. that really is at the heart of roe v. wade, a viability test. that is a revolution for roe. our hope is that it is overturned and the democratic process could bring consensus on
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each state and have that shown in the law. just a few steps from where we are here is oral arguments. host: is it important to you the supreme court explicitly say, eventually we will hear that at the end of the term that they explicitly say roe v. wade was ruled incorrectly and thereby is overturned? guest: that is our goal. 45 states with 79 less women legislators representing no states, that is the case they make. they should be overturned and it was wrongly decided that it took away the democratic process and the ability of women whose views are not monolithic. have that reflected in our laws. attorney general fitch, that is her argument that the attorney
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general of mississippi, her argument as it should be overturned and a completely unworkable ruling. that is reflected in some liberal jurists including ruth bader ginsburg. almost indefensible in terms of constitutional law. it should be some direction for the court. it should at least be allowing states to again -- something so deafening -- delicate and difficult with the moral consequence with the nation that it should be allowed into the public arena. they should end up with the consensus in each state that it were the leaders that elected officials are accountable to those laws. it could be affirmed or voted out depending on the result. host: the reporting of any --
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amy hau, has resaved -- reshaped courts. in her reporting she said the court went through some 13 conferences in considering whether to take on this case. they know this case pretty well. what sort of arguments do you think they will be drilling down on today in oral arguments? guest: they could and should be drilling down on the constitutional problems with roe v. wade. the viability test. whether that is a test that is reliable enough to move into the future. liability has changed. it has gone from about 28 weeks to now hovering around 20 or 22 weeks. is that a reliable constitutional standard for abortion law? almost anyone involved in constitutional office knows that
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his undue burden, a test in pennsylvania. the undue burden. there is layered upon layer's of different tests. that is what they will be arguing there. they are influential but not just positive. one is how out of sync we are in terms of laws around the world. 47 out of 50 european nations -- 12 weeks is the limit for abortion. germany, norway, switzerland. 14 weeks in france and belgium. they are leading moral indicators for the rest of the world.
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liberal nations that have a more humane law that we should at least be satisfying their standard. instead our standard is aligned with china, no limits with the point of birth. host: who is aligning with what states in which we know about them? guest: for mississippi? host: yes. guest: it is the lead. the solicitor general will be arguing on behalf of the state of mississippi. as you might expect an originalist background who work for conservative judges in the past. he is very grounded in constitutional law and will be arguing this case. host: we have calls waiting from the president of the susan b. anthony list. let's go to san jose,
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california, first up on republican line. guest: my perception is you believe that this should be a state's right issue. i believe that as well. this should never have been decided by the supreme court as a one-size-fits-all. you have areas of the country that are in the bible belt areas that do not believe in abortion. in those states i believe that if you want to have abortions, unlimited abortions, it should be decided by the people in the state. you bring up some very good points that most of the rest of the world there are limits.
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i will close with saying that the constitution provides for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. the progressives do not believe in life. guest: i think you raise a good point about what different states will do. in your state it is possible your state will dig in and basically guarantee the democratic process that abortions will be allowed for quite some time. same for new york, vermont, other states like that. there will be different laws. that is a great tradition. it is a great american tradition to handle these moral issues. i want to be clear on one thing. my organization and i think that
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there are two people in every pregnancy, the mother and the child. i'm not advocating for a 15 or 20 week standard. i'm just saying the better way to handle this is in civil discourse to allow people to argue it out. get to consensus. have that consensus written into law. if they don't like it they vote that guy or woman out and start over. this nation has come to a good place of civil discourse. roe v. wade put a cap on that ability and guaranteed for a most 50 years complete unrest on this issue. no ability to allow that friction, that political friction to work its way out and work its way into consensus and into the law. caller: thank you for taking my
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call. i disagree more with your guest in the previous caller. in terms of state's rights, i'm an african-american male and i know what that leads to. i will get to my point. they don't mind blurring the lines between church and state but let's say they have an islamic political class, then church and state would be an issue. in terms of abortion, what does it matter? no one says that if you are pro-life, you're forced to get an abortion. it is rooted in the victorian notion of women's bodies. what does it matter to someone
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if they decide to terminate a pregnancy. women could die giving birth, they could die to a miscarriage. they should have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies. if you disagree, don't date those women or those women should deny sex. guest: i think that is a good question and gets to fundamentals. on your victorian comment. susan b. anthony, all of those women saw abortion as a sign of something terrible going on. they saw the breaking of the bond between woman and child is a moment of exploitation of women. it was and still can be. the reason i saw it like that is they sought to people in every
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abortion instead of one. that's what i mean about getting down to the fundamentals. once you are pregnant there are two people. it is almost inarguable. that is a moment that we must rise to the occasion and care for both. that is fundamental and vital and at the center of the pro-life movement moving forward. our lives in service to women and children have to reflect that humane reality. if i thought it was the equivalent of an academic -- appendectomy or hysterectomy, is to be the stupidest movement you've ever seen. there are two people involved in every pregnancy. this is the greatest human rights movement in many years. host: people have a gathering at the supreme court. a tweet here that says my boys
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and i attended a prayer vigil last night at the supreme court. our c-span cameras are at the court. they will be throughout the day. our coverage today of oral arguments on c-span3. we go to jackson heights new york. caller: when you are in technical fields, my field is brain development. a lot of what we consider viability's. the kind of life -- i think it would be a real torture with their condition in the kind of world. the question for me is who do you really care about?
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some abstract principle or the inch -- individual produced from such a union? the emphasis on the discussion should be on birth control, the repeated appearances from abortion. we should realize that an abortion is a way of ending a terribly suffering life in many cases because in the early years of life it is getting printed in. host: we will hear from our guests. guest: there are questions wilton, one is about viability and the life will have suffering. in some cases that is right. it is not even close to significant percentage of abortions. yes, there are those cases. a couple of things to consider
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the reason that standard came about was maybe it is a human being, it is on the table and could live without the umbilical cord. obviously the baby cannot live, none of us are completely self-sufficient. many of us feel nonviable often because we always need the help of humanity around us. also look at the suffering child in the womb, whether it is viable or not. you say will have a suffering young life. the emphasis now in medicine is to try to treat and help unborn children, even in the womb with surgeries that are some rack to list that they have changed and altered lives for the better. those corrections have happened.
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that is the approach when we see a suffering child. you can relieve some things by killing the child. that also has affects that are all sorts of other suffering. when we see them both as pupil, which they are and arguably two human beings, we have to address the needs of both. i'm very much a part of the special needs community and have a daughter with special needs. if you have lived in that world you can see it is a dangerous thing to comment upon the value of children. they make us better. host: the clarion ledger has this headline this morning. even if we win, we lose. abortion access already limited without challenge. this is the case the one before
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the supreme court today has already been blocked by two courts, the federal court, the district court. what makes you think the appeals -- what makes you think you will have success before the supreme court this term? guest: i'm a little unclear about what that comment meant. maybe they mean there is not enough abortion clinics in mississippi. right now, under roe v. wade, the 15 week limit cannot stand. he could only stand if roe v. wade is set aside. it doesn't pass the viability test casey has determined wrote -- roe as having. through the years, all of the states passing the most ambitious laws that they could, gestation limits based on the pain of the child.
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none of them have been allowed to go make their way to the lobby because of roe. almost half a century of this has led to some understanding among experts and constitutional lawyers. it created more civic problems than it helped set aside. that frustration has led to more supreme court justices who see the constitutional nature of this question and are really concerned about getting it right, we hope. we have three additional supreme court justices. we think there is more hope that we would uphold a 15 week limit. therefore setting aside perhaps for other states the ability to do the same. host: let's go to north carolina on the republican line, hi there.
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caller: i don't agree with abortion. it should be made illegal. host: you are getting a bit confused, turn your television down. caller: sorry about that. i think abortion should be made illegal. host: we got your point. next we have to go to richard on the democrat line. caller: if you wake up in a country where abortion is legal, you probably have unrest in democracy. it is illegal in a third world dictatorship.
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you can look that up. the other thing is i'm curious because the bible says in genesis that a person is a person when they take their first breath. for thousands of years that has been the case. people are people when they take their first breath. i've a question for you. you said a couple of times there are two people involved. if a baby dies after a week, there is usually a funeral. i have never heard of anybody going to a funeral for a fetus. if it is a person, you will have a funeral for it. do you know anybody who has ever gone to a funeral for a fetus? host: all right, richard. guest: i actually have gone to more than one funeral from women who have had miscarriages.
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especially when it was later in the gestation of the baby. it is almost undeniable to most people when they see a miscarriage six or seven months. there is a grief. there's also grief over abortion. one thing i want to point out just in case there's any misunderstanding, no one is going to wake up in america and find abortion illegal because of this case. the only result that would evolve from this case that we hope is that roe is overturned and states have the ability to pass their own laws. perhaps get some more humane books -- laws on the books. that would be the case. there is this misnomer that
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somehow overturning roe outlaws abortion. absolutely not. it opens the doors to democracy in every state. host: what is your groups view on allowing abortions in the case of rape and insets? guest: i think every single life deserves attention and focus and love. i also know there are a lot of differences in opinion in each state. they have those exceptions all of the time. those are matters of -- they are small percentage cases. cases that matter. they are certainly not the nexus of the debate. it is an important debate for states to have. host: your group list its focus on getting candidates elected statewide and nationally that support restrictions on abortion. how successful have you been over the years?
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you have been with them since 1993? guest: quite a while, yes. we have been successful over time. part of the reason why we have this case today. without electing senators, presidents, governors who could first of all the presence nominating supreme court justices. now i supreme court that would hear this particular case would require all of those people getting election to public office who believe in the sanctity of human life and believe in restoring this debate back to the state. we have been very successful over time. the last election one of the little-known things is a record number of pro-life women we helped elect to the u.s. congress, 31 women who are pro-life were elected. that is a rising tide.
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it points to this reality that abortion opinion among women is not monolithic. women in large majority percentages think abortion should be limited after 12 weeks. this is not your mother's 1970's and 1960's women's movement anymore. this is a time when women are elected and we deserve to be heard. host: let's hear from joy in rhode island, independent line, go ahead. you're on the air, go ahead. caller: don't people realize that this isn't really going to stop in a lot of states? there is still going to be backyard abortions no matter what happens. it is not really going to stop no matter what happens.
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what do you think about that? guest: i think to the extent that is the case, we better get to those women and serve them and their children quickly. if you see an egregious human rights violation on any other stripe, any other time in history and you said that is still going to continue, we might as well not do anything about it, that would obviously be unacceptable. what we do is go in and make sure that human life abuse stops. the people who are suffering get served. even if you don't see that as the case early on in pregnancy, which i do, it is easier to see it at least at 15 weeks, what the supreme court will be ruling on in june after oral arguments today. anybody who has seen the 15 weeks on the sonogram on the refrigerator could see the baby
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often is sucking their thumb. they know if they are left or right-handed. they respond to touch, taste, they respond to pain, physical pain. these are people that are small. that is why we speak in terms of human rights when we talk about these children while we are considering the needs of their mother. host: thank you for being with us on washington journal. guest: thank you. host: more ahead on this topic. we continue our conversation. we will hear from the president of pro-choice america. we will continue to take your calls as well at (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8002, independant's.
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there are many protesters on both sides. the cases at 10:00. it will be live at c-span3 and on the c-span now mobile app. before we get to our next guest, congress -- comments from judy chu who announced legislation to protect abortion rights in the country. >> the supreme court has announced its intention to hear jackson women's health organization, a case that directly challenges roe v. wade this december. abortion providers get severe penalties for providing abortions after 15 weeks. the supreme court president going back to roe. it guarantees each person the right to decide whether to continue a pregnancy. there is no path for the supreme
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court to uphold mississippi without overturning roe. every pregnant person has the right to decide whether to continue their pregnancy prior to the viability. abortion restrictions are part of the intertwined systems of oppression that deny black indigenous and people of color their constitutional rights. the people most hurt by these restrictions are those who already face -- host: live outside the supreme court with the case coming up this morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern, we will hear your calls on the issue. good morning to larry. caller: on the surface of it, is in a discriminatory that we are talking about only affecting women? where's that same law that gives my wife power over mine? i'm a school bus driver and i had some wonderful parents, i
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had deadbeat dads, deadbeat moms , all of this love if it is a white anglo-saxon protestant is different. where is the law that gives a woman power over my privates if i have that same power over hers? host: our next guest joins us here is the president of naral pro-choice america. welcome. guest: thank you for having me. host: there's a headline that says the supreme court to hear the biggest abortion case since roe. why is this the biggest since roe? guest: that is a great question. good morning. this case is one of the first where the state of mississippi has actually passed the court -- ask the court to overturn roe v.
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wade. we have a number of conservative justices on the court appointed by president trump. you could see why those on the pro-abortion advocacy side are concerned. host: the appeals court also upheld that ruling. what makes you think the supreme court might reverse that? guest: we have a lot of evidence that shows the supreme court has a lot of interest in reversing that. we have the leadership of folks like justin thomas to be concerned about. -- justice thomas to be concerned about. the supreme court took the case at all. you raise a good point. the fact that the supreme court took this case up at all has opened the floodgates. states pass on more challenging and challenging restrictions. the court upholds the mississippi band after today's
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arguments that we have 26 days, to ban abortion for existing legislation benefits is overturned, this will happen. we are seeing more and more actions like that. 2021 has been the most challenging year for abortion restrictions. we have seen an unprecedented number, the most abortion restrictions filed across the country. that is the impact of the court agreeing. host: as far as your organization is concerned, is very best case and worst-case scenario? if the supreme court ultimately decides to uphold the mississippi law but they don't say anything about roe v. wade, what does that mean? secondly, if roe v. wade is overturned in addition to the lobbying upheld, what does that mean? guest: we don't think there is any way for the court to uphold the mississippi band and not effectively gut roe v. wade.
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15 weeks completely upends the current viability standards. we have a lot of concerns about that. could you repeat the second question? host: you kind of answered it. i asked you what would happen if they did not explicitly overturn roe v. wade. guest: that is definitely a scenario that constitutional scholars and prognosticators are discussing. it is still effectively gutting roe v. wade. even though roe is currently the law of the land, it should be the floor, not the ceiling. what we see across the country in places like texas with the challenging legislation is restricting access to abortion effectively. many parts of the country where roe technically is the law of the land but you have extremely limited access. mississippi, the abortion clinic
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in texas, it is the only abortion clinic in mississippi. it goes to 16 weeks. talk about a country where we have successfully eroded this mostly in people -- women of color. we are not reviewing access to abortion versus restricting access based on new timelines. host: i wonder if there might be in there a sliver of agreement between you and our previous guest. she has said that roe was badly decided and created more problems than it set aside. what do you think? guest: roe is the law of the land now. we would like to maintain our current status. there is some validity to marjorie's point. there's a lot of debate around how roe is decided. here's what i will say.
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i don't really believe the concerns around roe we are hearing now are valid. i believe they are disingenuous. there are organizations that have been seeking to support extremist politicians to elected office are now talking about how this was decided is actually a reflection that access to abortion has never been more popular to our country then now. i think our opponents are looking for ways to appeal. they are making a proactive note. we know that is not the case. host: our guest is the new president of naral pro-choice america. out of the biden harris
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administration and into this role as president just this past month. guest: this is actually my third week. [laughter] it is a great time to be here. host: you knew this case was coming up. where will you be today? guest: after this i'm headed to the senate for a little bit and then i am going to the court. i will be at the supreme court steps with many of the organizations on the forefront of this for 50 plus years. host: her organization focuses on getting candidates elected. what is the focus of naral. guest: we are very similar but a little bit different. our organization was founded pre-roe v. wade. to really advocate for abortion rights. one of the founding board member's birthday was yesterday. naral pro-choice america focuses
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on a full cycle of advocacy. we advocate, coach, and fund elections. we also lobby and do aggressive advocacy on the hill around issues in states where we need to be engaged in accessing the human right of abortion. host: first up we have john in alabama, go ahead. caller: i have two questions. women, when they have children, i think they want to have children but they cannot support them. what is the -- is that going to be left up to the state to give support to a woman who has two kids and can't afford a third one or fourth one? at that point are they just going to let the child suffer
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throughout? the second question is if it is up to the state, are they going to support the so-called bounty hunters who go out and track people who help or assist a woman with abortion? those are my questions. guest: those are really great questions. the nexus between economy, the lack of consistent and clear public policy supporting families in their journey. the lack of access for those in this country. something the human rights movement has been engaged in has been the fight for paid leave, for example. supporting the president's build back better agenda including congressional leadership around the registration -- legislation
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that would provide childcare, investment in headstart, investment in paid family leave. it is discerning that our opponents have been really opposed to this entire set of principles and services for families. much like the anecdote that john shared. at the same time we are -- they are pushing for undercutting access to services in reproductive health. we have a really challenging public policy question. regarding your question around bounty hunters, you're talking about the case in texas where the enforcement mechanism is really citizens forming a vigilante function to report on doctors or patients seeking abortion care services. it is wrong, it is extremist, it
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is extremely dangerous. we think the court will likely strike it down because of the enforcement mechanism. host: when will the supreme court take up that texas law? guest: they did. it is important to note they have not released an opinion yet. that is a problem. that law has been on the books in texas for way too long. we don't have to wait for the courts. we could see the impact of gutting roe v. wade in texas right now. women traveling miles and miles to get access to abortion. host: let's go to ron in the round lake, illinois on the republican line. caller: i have a couple of comments. first of all, if we had the care for the pandemic we would trip
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over it. the number one cause of death in america we have a cure for. we completely ignore it. it is abortion. there has been more deaths in one year of abortion then the two years of covid in america. also, this viability argument to me, do you leave a four-year-old alone, that kid will die. that is a slippery slope with viability. it does not make sense. what age does a child become viable? we have the cure for the number one cause of death yet we ignore it. host: we will hear from our guest. guest: i don't have the facts on my fingertips about the number one cause of deaths. it is definitely not abortion. i urge your caller to be some research and spend some time
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thinking about maternal mortality rates. if opponents before abortion access were truly concerned like issues like causes of death particularly for women in this country, i don't think your caller is concerned about that. i can't read his mind. i would say focus on the maternal mortality rates as opposed to restricting further access to abortion. pregnancy is the most dangerous time in a woman's life. she should be able to make those decisions on how to make that care. her life should not be diminished. her freedom should not be diminished. host: next up is david on the independent line. caller: my first comment is life begins at birth. that is a scientific -- you cannot refute the science.
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second of all, planned parenthood was started by someone to decimate the black population. i know you keep on saying women of color and minority are affected by this more. you never mentioned the founder of planned parenthood founded it to decimate the black community. it takes two to make a baby. why doesn't the father have any say in what happens? part of that life is his. host: your response? guest: a lot to unpack there. margaret singer and planned parenthood, there are challenges . i used to work for planned parenthood. the argument that abortion and access to birth control that decimates the black community is
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hardly the case and deeply, deeply racist and problematic. i urge the caller to take a look at some of the great work i women of color leaders in reproductive justice movement who could properly explain the nexus between white supremacy and the antiabortion movement origin. it is complicated. rape is a big factor but not in the way you think. the biggest issue and i will say this authoritatively as a woman of color myself. access to care is really challenging in this country for women of color. particularly black and immigrants. we have patchwork of laws across the country typically in the deep south that make it challenging for women of color to access care. it is problematic, it is wrong. host: where are we on the infant mortality rate in the united states? guest: off top of my head i do not have that number. i will say this, the rate is
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climbing. it is high in places like mississippi. host: i have a tweet here from lou who asked this, the need for abortion seems anti-common sense. if roe is thrown out wouldn't do it yourself treatments take place? guest: it is a great point and great questions. medication abortion and access to pills that support self managed care is revolutionary. what we are concerned about if roe falls is that there will be a patchwork of laws. that would include medicated abortions. we are seeing this to criminalize women of color, particularly in lower income people trying to access abortion. we know it should be very easy access.
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we have telemedicine, we have the medical technology. we have states that don't have the best interest of women's health in mind. they are already seeking to criminalize these options. host: let's go to brenda, go ahead. guest: -- caller: i am a democrat but i do not support abortion. why can't we have a huge campaign about men? i see a scenario on television where they are talking and if the answer is no he walks away like a man and not an animal trying to have sex. we need to have more of this on the man. without him, nobody gets pregnant. host: are any of these states putting restrictions on family planning in addition to their abortion law? guest: that's a great question.
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there has been a really significant nexus between the antiabortion movement and restrictions on access to birth control. we have seen a big fight about access to plan b, the morning-after pill. it is fueled by the same extremist right wing organizations that are opposed to abortion. it is a real problem. i do agree that this is not a women's issue anymore. this is an issue men and women need to care about. i do think that the good news is the majority of american assessment and women do care about this issue and want to see it helped. caller: i am pro-life. i have problems with women of color stating that there have not been injuries to their population.
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in new york there are more children aborted than there are lives birth of the african-american. i don't know what other proof you need. the other thing is the abortion medication, there is a high danger in that. i can't imagine going home and having to go to a whole delivery -- i would bet there is more mortality due to infection. i think there is a lot of untruths here that there needs to be an honest discussion about the dangers. you have ample ebb -- evidence of doctors who are doing it for money and not caring.
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if they have been injured by the abortion during the procedures. there is a lot to be cleared up here. i don't think they were honest about the dangers. host: are these medications generally safe? guest: there is a ton of evidence that shows they are safe. the technology is getting better and better. host: the allegation that there are more aborted babies of color and supports to live births? guest: we will have to agree to disagree. there's a lot of misinformation and it is unfortunate. there's a lot of misinformation argument and the use of color to stigmatize abortion. host: brenda, next up on the independent line. hamburg, new york, go ahead. caller: i am not for abortion. i have a question regarding the former representative. if they are required -- is there
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any record that they have support for an advocate for full education, full health care as equal for those who are well endowed and wealthy? if they are for this issue -- my question is is there support from these such organizations? host: a little bit of a rhetorical question. guest: what your color is asking, thanks for the call is due organizations like susan b. anthony support social services programs to uplift communities from poverty? the answer is unequivocally no. they endorse almost entirely republican placed candidates. host: we will hear from debbie in philadelphia on the democrats line.
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caller: thank you. whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, this call is to black folks. when you give states rights, run. guest: i could not agree more. you hit the nail on the head. there is a nexus between the antiabortion movement, white supremacy, states rights. it is really simple and your caller nailed it. we have reproductive rights -- we had the reproductive rights movements need to get behind voting rights acts. we have to reinstall the rights to vote. we are living in a country where the majority of americans support issues like abortion rights, gun violence prevention, civil rights. we are being thwarted by governments that aren't totally representative. host: we played the comments of judy chu and her legislation.
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i believe that passed in the u.s. house, anyways. where do we stand on that? guest: it is currently in the senate. we are advocating vigorously to our allies in the senate to take up the women's health protection act. we understand however there has been significant challenges thwarting the ability to pass. our allies in the movement have been unequivocal in our support to filibuster voting rights in the women's protection act. congress has the chance to really create and quantify roe v. wade to be the line of protection between the american people, reproductive freedoms, now that we can't rely on the courts. host: a couple more calls. caller: as a black woman, we are
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not children. we understand that you want to bait in people with abortion like we are some children and we don't know how babies come from and we don't know how to prevent from getting pregnant. we do. secondly, i don't believe in abortion. i know from our ancestors having babies was very important. we didn't have any kind of control over our children and keeping them. you don't really care about black people. black women have been used by the medical system, experimented on. you want to use us to further what you all want. host: we will let our guest respond. guest: i hear a lot of pain and
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anger in the caller's voice, i understand it. i am not black. i will point to the great work by black women leaders in the reproductive justice space who work at the intersection of civil-rights liberation and abortion access. our friends in mississippi who are really leading the charge. asking us to take a look at our good work. her collective, there are some great black women leaders who could articulate the need for abortion access and how it is time to the court much better than i am. host: has your organization plan for potential post roe world? guest: we are planning for that. we are very pragmatic and very concerned. going back to your question about representative chu's
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act. the first sign will be doing every thing we can to advocate to quantify roe v. wade. it is also important to our electoral strategy. we have midterms coming up. we have some incredibly popular issues. we will be monitoring the voting record. the moderate elected officials. we will be coming after them in the midterm. we will lead no anti-choice vote unpunished. we have nothing left to protect us besides public representative democracy. host: let's hear from susan on the independent line in california. caller: it says in jeremiah one, the lord said to me i knew you before you were born within your mother's womb, before you were
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born. i sanctify you and appointed you as my spokesman. my daughter is 41 today. i could see her in my womb. i could see her when i would laugh, she would bounce around and try to cross her legs again. then she would try to find her thumb in her mouth. today she is a nurse and she is helping other people. host: any final thoughts? guest: thanks for having me. this is a tough conversation to have. the bottom line is -- i will reiterate the majority of americans support and understand the decision to have an abortion is complex. it should be left up to the pregnant person in that their family. it is not for government interference. roe v. wade as the law of the
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land is incredibly popular. it is concerning to american voters. there has been a ton of research in the last couple of weeks that has indicated abortion and access to abortion is going to be an incredibly important driver for democrats. we will be making sure voices are heard. if not for this work come -- next november. host: the president of naral pro-choice america. congratulations on your new position. i look forward to talking to you again. guest: thank you, so much. host: up next on "washington journal" it will be open forum. we open the phones to you. including things we talked about today. the case coming up on abortion and the supreme court, what is happening in congress or the
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omicron variant causing concerns in the united states are around the world. the lines are republicans, (202) 748-8001 democrats, (202) 748-8000. four independents, (202) 748-8002. we will be right back. ♪ ♪
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house and senate are in session. welcome to washington journal. guest: thank you for having me. host: you are joining us basically a half hour after publishing your writing this morning. the headline this says congress stuck in will they or won't they and i assume you are talking about getting a short-term spending resolution done by the end of the week which is the current deadline? guest: current government funding, of the current stopgap we are funding with expires at midnight on friday and at the moment there is not a bill that is ready to move through the house and the senate, it does need to clear both chambers. congress cannot -- can move quickly when it needs to but there are major potential holdups ahead this week. host: you saw the newsletter
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this morning for the majority leader a possible consideration of continued spending. basically when the house comes into session are they tap dancing and waiting until some bill is put together before we move forward on this. guest: there is debate between republicans and democrats on how long another short term stopgap spending bill should last. should it just be a week or two weeks right before christmas or should this go one month, two months into 2022 to give them more time to sort out finalized topline price tags for appropriations for the fiscal year. there is hope that there could still be an omnibus spending bill to change spending levels that we are operating now set
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under the trump administration. but there is still disagreement on how long it should be and in a short-term spending bill should there be any anomalies, any programs or spending areas that are exempted from that last funding of a continuing resolution to give certain programs that might really be in need of a boost that increase. host: former president trump getting into the discussion urgent the majority -- the minority leader in the senate to slow things down on the debt ceiling approval over there. another deadline congress is facing. >> that is when the treasury secretary janet yellen has said the spending -- the borrowing authority for the country will run out and on the line is the debt of the united states. the full faith and credit of the
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united states would be on the line if an agreement is not reached to raise that debt limit. majority leader chuck schumer, a minority leader mitch mcconnell have been in talks. there are ongoing discussions of how to pave the path forward. republicans maintain they want democrats to do it on their own under the reconciliation process, the same process they are moving that social spending bill, democrats would like a bipartisan solution. host: you are writing about the discussions on the defense authorization bill that the senate seems to be kind of stuck on. what is the latest on that? >> another will they or won't they situation. the senators ran what was called a hotline. they are testing the temperature of the entire senate to see if there would be objections to expediting consideration 21 amendment to that annual must
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pass defense policy bill. among the 21 amendments that could be up for consideration today if no one objects is a big one about implementing sanctions on a pipeline that runs from russia to germany that has been a big point of contention. republicans would like to see sanctions put on that pipeline, but it would -- a vote would put democrats in a tough spot because where some democrats in congress stand is different from where the biden administration stands so would put forth a rough vote for democrats. host: it's hard to keep up on the latest. this is the headline in politico. what is kevin mccarthy trying to do with the raucous part of his caucus?
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guest: it was a very rare move yesterday. kevin mccarthy stepped in and brought both lawmakers into his office and basically told them knock it off. they had been feuding on twitter very aggressively, calling each other names, look of emojis which seems frivolous except it does highlight division in mccarthy's caucus that he is tasked with and will need if republicans take the house to unite that, those disparate groups. however, coming out of that meeting where they are leaders told him to knock it off, they still were making comments about each other and endorsing even primary challenges against members of their own party who they -- mccarthy would like them to be united in a singular voice
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against democrats and the biden administration. host: a lot to stay on top of on capitol hill. thank you this morning. guest: thank you. host: let's get to your calls and comments. democrats line, thank you for waiting. caller: i'm calling in regard to the supreme court hearing. personally the whole idea of life at conception it takes implantation for the child to grow to term and allows that implement -- implantation it's just a fertilized egg. secondly roe v. wade along with the other two contraception's bills were based on privacy issues. and take these rights away for
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contraception -- are they going to go after contraception at. they consider plan b on the iud and the ru-486 abortion pill. host: go ahead. caller: my biggest issue is when you take break -- take rights from one group it's easier to take rights from another group. host: hometown, illinois, republican line. caller: love c-span. inc. you for the opportunity. every time i hear it democrats a voting is important. the last three elections turnouts have been record-setting. also the word gerrymandering they always link it to republicans. in cook county the 50 wards are
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disputing african-american and hispanic votes per gerrymandering applies to both parties. the democrats here in illinois are in control of gerrymandering because the democrat -- it's a democrats eight. george soros introducing china collection data in san francisco. don't get me started on elections. before you get miranda on there to talk about her vote -- her book, i suggest getting tony on. host: edgewood, maryland. independent line. caller: good morning, how are you. host: doing well, thank you. caller: i wasn't really considering calling in until the last speaker speaking on abortion. one question i've always had is isn't there things -- how does a woman get pregnant?
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there's a reason that women want abortions. don't get pregnant and then worry about it. i love women and everything. i have never had a problem, they are beautiful beings. but if they don't want to get pregnant, i don't want to get into -- but if you don't want to get pregnant, take precautions beforehand either make the guy take precautions or the girl does. host: sue in ohio, you are next. democrats line. caller: hello. host: do us a favor and turn down your volume if you will and go ahead with your comment. caller: just a minute. host: we are looking at video by
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the way outside the supreme court. the case coming up this morning at 10:00 eastern. you can also follow it on our mobile app. you are on the air. caller: thank you. i've been a democrat ever since i was able to start voting. i'm 73 years old now. i'm telling you this is a woman's right to make this decision. host: feeding back getting a little confused there. 202-748-8001 for republicans. democrats, 202-748-8000. this is the front page of the wall street journal, powell tease up quicker end to stimulus. he said the central bank is prepared to quicken the pullback of easy money policies in order to raise interest rates in the first half of next year as it grapples with inflation and a potential new virus wave that
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could exacerbate supply chain disruptions. mr. powell said on tuesday it would be appropriate for the fed to consider accelerating the reduction in asset purchase stimulus programs at its meeting on december 14 and 15th. comments were part of a broader shift in how the fed leader characterized the risks to an economy that faces a fresh coronavirus threat following the identification last week of potentially more transmissible omicron variant in south africa. the dow jones industrial average following -- falling at 1.9%. the fed chair was asked by senator mark warner about the tightening fiscal conditions. [video clip] >> that the fed signaled a shift announcing starting to move back from the very aggressive means you've used and announcing a
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tapering on the pace of bond purchases that the -- if the economy continues to strengthen. which factors most influence that decision through gradual change and how long do you think it'll take the fed to gradually wind down these purchases. >> we haven't made a decision on that's. i would say this, the most recent data particularly since the november meeting shows elevated inflation pressures, a rapid improvement in many labor market indicators without an accompanying addition of labor supply and also strong spending that really signals growth in the coming months. remember that every dollar of asset purchases adds accommodation to the economy. but at this point the economy is very strong. it is therefore appropriate in my view to consider wrapping up the taper of our asset purchases which they've announced at the
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meeting perhaps a few months sooner. we will discuss that of the upcoming meeting in a couple of weeks. we will see another labor market, another inflation report and also get a better sense of the new covid variant. before we make that decision. >> the financial markets their reaction after the fed chair's testimony and the ongoing problems with covid. this is the headline for the washington times paid omicron variant scares wall street. it's open forum, we go next to greg in springfield, virginia on their publican line. >> we do not need roe v. wade to get us to the kind of abortion americans say they want. over and over when americans are polled they say we want abortion in this case in this case and this case. what but we don't want abortion
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in that case or that case. roe v. wade allows abortion in almost any circumstance. we do not need roe v. wade to get us to the kind of abortion americans in polling say that they want. host: here is denver, colorado next up on the democrats line. jack, hello there. caller: i believe that human life begins when brain waves begin and that's the way abortion laws are set up now and i would like to point out that there is a movement to change that and say that human life begins when the heartbeat begins which is incorrect. i'm 70 and we went through this back when the whole thing started. we finally came to a conclusion that brain waves are the correct
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method to determine life. and now people have forgotten and i want to point this out because it's not an accident, it's a movement. they are trying to confuse the easily confuse a bowl. thank you very much. host: groups gathered outside the supreme court for that oral argument this morning. open forum on washington journal. your comments on that issue and any other public policy or news issue you are following. a couple of comments on twitter about the case. one says my problem is its political. a life is more than in the womb until death. unless a life or death to the mother then abortion should be banned. but let's care about every life not just in the womb. stop using this for political purpose. this one says the court will overturn it i fear and this one says the ritual flyaway fly away to an island somewhere taken
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abortion vacation. no one will ever prosecute rich people for abortions while poor women sprint -- spend years in jail for botched abortions. this is what we publican extremists want. out in alabama we hear from john , republican line, good morning. caller: louisiana, but close enough. i remember in fourth grade we had class called civics. the lady who said roe v. wade was the law of the land, the judiciary does not have the power to make laws. it's very simple in the constitution, that the legislative branch. and the states, because there is nothing in the constitution about abortion, the 10th amendment gives that power to the states, that shows the way it's supposed to be done. but this idea if they do not want to have abortions or do want to have abortions, then it
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is up to the legislature, the senate, house and the president signs in the bill at the federal level. it's like civics doesn't exist anymore but that's the way i see it is the way it's written in the constitution and i think it does the job now. let's leave that to the states because it is not in the constitution. host: david is on the independent line calling from phoenix. caller: good morning. i am glad to finally get on here with my subject. i want to say my subject is happy world aids day. i turned 50 92 days ago which amount -- which now means i lived two thirds of my life, over two thirds of my life with the hiv virus.
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i said that to brian and susan many years ago how it is important for people to look towards the future. i see that today not only today because of world aids day, but because of this argument that's going on. in the supreme court. it is kind of sad on both sides if you think about it. i am a centrist, always have been even though i've led some of the most liberal rallies out of portland, oregon for gay and lesbian rights that have happened. the problem is that democrats have the ability to pass laws, write laws and pass them and instead they want to go for these humongous omnibus bills
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instead of doing the basic work of passing these laws. and that's why i gave up on my democratic party at this point. i unregistered, i became an independent because i said to my representative back in march, split these bills up, do them one at a time and you will get republicans working with you. but they refused to do that. and they refused to do that on so many levels. we could have you -- could have had laws in every state or at the national level codifying roe v. wade into law. it -- they just held on and held on. and it's really sad because here i am working every day to stay
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healthy, to not cause -- cost the state money, to be a good citizen and a taxpaying person in this society even though i live with this disease that has now affected my brain. it saddens me greatly to see americans fighting over such what i believe is petty because god did not say no to these things. host: glad to have you with us. it is world aids day and we will have our guest coming up at 9:00 eastern this morning. too rich in greensburg, pennsylvania. caller: good morning.
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to the callers last point on the large bills like build back better. i think omicron has kind of knocked out part of that and i think with the rising inflation and things like that i just do not see how the swing votes like senator joe manchin or kyrsten sinema can go for that because inflation is totally out of control and build back better is only going to contribute to that end i just think we need to get omicron under control to start moving forward. host: thanks for the call. pennsylvania senator pat toomey part of the banking committee yesterday was asked -- was asking jay powell about inflation and specifically the use of the term transitory. here is that exchange.
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[video clip] >> under the fed's new flexible average inflation targeting, the inflation target remains at 2% but now it is on average over a non-specified timeframe. the feds preferred inflation metric is running about above 2% over the past five years, and nearly 3% over the past two years and 4.1% over the past year. so it's above target. it has been above target and its accelerating. if the fed has maintained an extra emergency monetary policy, it looks to me like this framework appears to be a weakening of the fed's commitment to stable pricing. i know you believe this is transitory. life is transitory. how long does inflation have to run above your target before the fed decides maybe it's not so transitory. >> the test we've articulated i
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think clearly has been met now. you are absolutely right, inflation is run well below -- well above 2% for long enough. inflation averages 2%. it was not the case going into this episode, it had been many years since we had inflation. i think there were transitory as different meanings to different people. too many it carries a sense of short life. we used to mean who won't leave a permanent mark in the form of higher inflation. it's probably a good time to retire that word and try to explain clearly what we mean. host: the headline here in the washington times, trumps former chief of staff her versus his stance and will cooperate with the general six probe.
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plans -- he plans to appear for a deposition on tuesday. the move marks a sharp turn in his stance towards the committee after failing to appear before the scheduled deposition earlier this month. john is next in north carolina. go ahead. caller: thank you sir for letting me speak this morning. i am against abortion 100%. the lord said woe unto those dead children. i know a lot of people do that. i just wish -- i hope they overturn it. host: to rob in charlotte, north carolina. democrats line. caller: thank you for the call.
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my point is america has really not given many of the rights they are supposed to have. i'm not necessarily for abortion , but when i hear men say women should do something different, will maybe men should do something different. maybe men should have a medical procedure which will keep them from impregnating women. it's unthinkable that men can tell women what they need to do with their bodies. i appreciate you listening to my point of view, thank you. host: kyle is next in buffalo on the republican line. caller: good morning. that last caller really stole my thunder. he was spot on, but there was a caller that talked about civics and how the courts aren't supposed to decide law, but they are, it's called case law.
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bills get past and the supreme court decisions and up becoming case law. so he was actually wrong and i don't know what is civics teacher was teaching but you have to tell the whole story. touched on a part that all these men are making decisions for women and one of the callers talked about religion. i'm a religious person but according to our country, of the church and state are separate. so how dare i tell a female what to do after whatever experience she may have that caused her to need an abortion. as a republican i'm really disgraced at the party for supporting that. one of the reasons why am a republican is i believe in limited government roles in our lives. this is a slap in the face for any republican who wants the government to control what you want to do. the courts already decided and
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we are in 2021. let the women decide, let the women go on and do what they need to do. host: kyle in new york. we are live outside the supreme court. lots of people there on both sides. it's listening to some of what you are hearing. -- let's listen in to some of what you are hearing. >> they will take care of it for you. you play right into their hands. they think you are dumb.
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host: host: the justices outside will hear the case. 75 minutes, at least for oral argument that gets underway on c-span three at 10:00. you can also follow on our mobile app. our cameras will be there, including arguments from the attorneys and others involved. up next, welcome. caller: i just thought that you should hear a woman's opinion.
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not just women get pregnant. all kinds of people get pregnant. this is going to affect a lot of people. if we see it pushed back or overturned, register -- red states will look to restrict insurance companies. this will overwhelmingly affect people of color, people of low income who cannot travel or pay out-of-pocket for these medical necessities. i am a woman and this will affect a lot of people. this is an all pregnant people problem. if this gets pushed back, we will see events states move. host: how are you involved in this discussion? are you supporting groups?
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caller: i would definitely say to all your viewers to contribute to your local abortion fund so that women in your area can look to these funds. host: to our independent line. this is marilyn in san francisco, california. caller: i am calling about a topic i have not heard discussed. that is this plan from nasa to send something to break up -- droid. i am not someone who usually pays attention to what nasa is doing, but if you could do a segment on that, i think it is very dangerous and i am concerned, even though the experts, who are often wrong about predictions say that there is no harm to us on the planet. how do we know?
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we have never done it before. if we are sending missiles to break it up, how do we know a piece of that will not come flying towards the planet and do something major, which hopefully would not happen, or even something minor, coming through the atmosphere. i am just really concerned about this and i have not heard nearly any discussion about this on the news. host: thank you for the suggestion. our producers listen and watch the program, so we will bring it up. i am not much of an expert on it as well. now to john in california. go ahead. you are on the air. caller: pretty exciting things on tv this morning, but what i am calling about is last year, there was a protest in a community in san diego.
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after the sun went down, it turned into a riot. the crowd attacked this downtown area. they caught a couple of the guys. the one man that they caught actually went to court and he was sentenced yesterday. this judge gave this guy probation and ordered him to stay 100 yards away. it just ticks me off that they let this guy go with probation, after he burned down a bank. it is unbelievable. >> -- host: what was the judge's reasoning on that? caller: i'm just reading a couple local news articles that do not go into much detail about
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it. some beauty supply -- i will tell you, after that happened, i took my grandkids to the downtown area and i showed them what had happened. they destroyed all these people's lives. it was just awful. to find that they actually did their homework and cut the guys and then this judge just lets the guy go on probation. i do not know if he has any priors, but it does not make any difference. he should have done real-time. host: on twitter, this tweet saying, something is wrong with the criminal justice system when it takes over two decades to
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bring an accused sexual abuser to trial. this one saying that we can start a fund for our sisters who need help traveling. i will have a lot of cousins in mississippi. if there are issues, extended spending, there is too much money being spent. they came up with a banking hearing with the fed chair. here is what she had to say. >> what i indicated in my most recent letter to congress, i have a high degree of confidence that they will be able to finance the u.s. government through december 15, but there would be scenarios, in which the treasury would not have sufficient funds to continue to finance the operations of the u.s. government hyeon that date.
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i would note that on december 15 , the treasury will invest funds from the infrastructure bill. that will use up $118 billion worth of capacity, when those funds are from the highway trust fund are invested in government securities. i did not say that there was no way that we can make it past december 15. there is uncertainty about what the cash balance will be and our resources right now. there is uncertainty about where we will be on december 15. there are scenarios in which we could see that it would not be
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possible to finance the government. that does not mean that there are not also scenarios in which we can, but we think it is important for congress to recognize that we may not be able to raise the debt ceiling expeditiously. host: the washington post writing about the situation come about available cash for spending. this is a made variant threats. officials have studied how much funding they have available to respond to the omicron variant as the biden administration makes contingency plans. the review comes amid fresh boomers on wall street related to omicron and the outlook. he warned that vaccines might not be as effective against this
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particular variant. hours later, jerome powell spooked financial markets even more when he said they could speed up the relaxation of the measures amid concerns of inflation. back to the open forum. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8002 for democrats. let's hear from daniel in petersburg, florida. caller: [indiscernible] host: nathaniel, you are a little out of range on your phone. let's try around -- let's try that again. caller: [indiscernible] host: i am sorry about that.
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maybe try dialing back in because we cannot hear you. next, the independent line. caller: good morning. i have a few comments. a gentleman called in and said it is the woman who gets pregnant, that's true. but if men had to carry the baby, there would be no discussion. number two, the other party who called in and said abortion is the number one killing -- that's wrong. heart disease is the number one killer in this country. number three, the church condemned women, trying to avoid pregnancy. they did not want us doing this or that. men should share responsibility. it takes two to make a baby.
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men should take responsibility as well. where a raincoat, gentlemen. host: to west virginia on the democrats line. >> i was wondering why there is no red language put in this bill that the mother would have to identify the father of the child before aborting it and give the father the chance to take the child. men have no say in this. host: to arizona. it is open forum and this is jan on the republican line. >> i just wanted -- caller: i am 74 and we fought this hired when i was a young woman in arizona. there were members of our church that fought it, but our church would not get in the battle. i want to tell all of these people.
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they fed this story that it would be a few cases that this would happen to. it would just be the life of the mother. now if you do not like their identity. if it is a boy and you do not want a boy, get rid of the baby. there is so much birth control. this is ridiculous and it makes me sick that i have to fund it. it makes me sick to my stomach. the other thing, january 6 is a joke. god bless america. remember that christ was born on december 25. are they going to abort him too? host: some comments on inflation. this is the reaction from the republican leader at yesterday's briefing. >> he might have noticed that the chairman of the fed said the use of the word transitory in
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front of inflation should be discontinued, meaning inflation is not transitory but it is going forward. the principal driver is the package passed on a totally partisan basis this year. the only way to keep inflation from getting worse would be to kill the reckless taxes and spending spree. host: looking live outside the supreme court on washington journal this morning. the mississippi abortion case coming before the justices this morning. that oral argument getting underway. we will have live coverage of that starting at 10:00. you can follow that on our mobile app. next up, winter haven florida.
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go-ahead. >> -- caller: good morning, sir. my issue is that we are deviating from what made these countries and the world today. we have taken god out of everything. it kind of clouds your focus on these issues, which is really -- when you bring god back into these issues, you will understand where it stands throughout existence. let's not put it on man making decisions for females. you have to go back. if we can understand that, we can come together as
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republicans, democrats, independent and minorities to make these decisions. they can govern our world. host:>> i would just like to sat the constitution, for the people who keep saying it is not in the constitution, they need to get a copy of the constitution and read article nine. our supreme court -- citizens united, they basically aborted we the people for we the corporations and money equals speech, and everything like that.
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as far as the fed is concerned, it is not a federally governed body. it is not part of our government. it is a separate entity. it is basically a ponzi scheme. the american public understood the banking system. they told us people in jail -- people need to focus. men are the ones that impregnate the women. women cannot have a pregnancy without the mail. host: some -- the male. host: covering both sides of the issue. part of what the mississippi clinic will say, she writes that
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they say that mississippi is simply wrong. there is no support. it does not matter that the specific words do not appear in the document. the two cases involved is that the decision to end it has any roots to integrity and personal autonomy. read all of that. in leland, mississippi, we hear from late, next. caller: it is the most despicable thing in the world to kill a baby. come on.
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there is not a person that has ever existed that got here on their own. they do not tend to be the most in or moral women. we have lost it. we have gone crazy. why? i do not understand. a beautiful child. if one million are born, they killed 2 million. it is ridiculous. just think about what they have done. using our kids to catch alligators and stuff like that.
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they sold us out. they sold all americans out. it is a whole new situation. it is just wrong. abortion is wrong. the way america did black people is wrong. everybody knows it. host: next step. caller: please do not cut me off. i want to talk to the black people of america. notwithstanding, the violence -- we do not have enough people in this country -- for a woman to
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say it is her right? come on. one thing before we go. there is a young lady right now listening to this right now who might be wrestling with the decision. make a prayer before you make that decision. it is a very serious situation. consider what you are killing. host: sam is on the line next. it is open forum. go ahead. caller: i have gotten pregnant by a man who refused to wear a condom. they also refused to help with the raising of the child. i think that the decision to get
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an abortion should be between the woman and god. no church involved, no man involved, unless he impregnated that woman and he is saying, i will raise this child. you do not have the responsibility to do this alone. thank you. have a good day. host: this is from the washington examiner. why i am running to be senator. we are angry at our government and each other. we have not managed our crises as effectively as past generations. when you mix politics and medicine, you get politics instead of solutions. that is why i am running for the u.s. senate janet is on the line. go-ahead.
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caller: i do not see how anybody could put the word abortion in the same sentence as god. it takes a man to also get a woman pregnant. it is his choice as well. she is the only one getting that voice, although i cannot make up my mind what is right and what is wrong, but if you go with god, you will know that he is right. i do not understand why all this is going on to begin with. the country has a lot of problems. there is too much birth control in this country to have an abortion. thank you very kindly. host: to bob on the republican line. >> -- caller: my message is to let people know that in 1995 or
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1996, the government got involved. at that point, the government was sending $800,000 to planned parenthood. you have the government involved. you keep using the man and the woman's decision, but it has been the government's decision. i cannot tell you how many times people with say, we are out here trying to help these young ladies. why would the government go in and fund the abortion issue? there is one element that everybody is forgetting. you think it is just the man pushing the abortion issue? no. it is the parents. i'm not saying all abortion issues are pushed by the man.
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it is the parents and other individuals involved with this lady. there is not a one time that i have ever had or seen them come out on the line to indicate that there is a solution. there has never been a solution where the parent comes out to help indicate that their daughter is going to have an abortion and recognizes -- we have had many women that come on the line. there is nothing said about the crisis privacy centers. they are not funded by the government. they are funded by individuals
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donating to these crisis pregnancy centers. host: thank you for your call this morning. the crowds have been growing outside the court all morning. you can see some of the video across the street. they are spilling out onto force -- 1st street. we will talk about this in just a few minutes. she says, let us summon the spirit of courage, ingenuity and cooperation to end the stigma. oklahoma city, next up here on open forum. stephanie, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am traveled to many countries and one of the things i am
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struck by when i hear americans talk about their beliefs is it shows a deep lack of progress in our education. it is depressing, every time i listen to the colors who call in. they are not able to articulate their argument or even get the long right. the people who usually argue against abortion are typically people who are also arguing that the data -- the government should not mandate vaccines or masks. it makes no sense. if at all, it should be between the man and woman involved and her physician. the government has no right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. it is still a personal choice.
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i would encourage people to read more. become more educated and read the law. become articulate and what our government does and does not do. through work, i had the privilege of working with a sports team and traveling all over. this was back in the 90's and early 2000's. i traveled a little bit on my own. i have been said third world countries. i have been to nepal. i am just struck by the diversity. i am struck that we do not have more encouragement to travel and educate. i wish we would focus on
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open-mindedness and learning about other cultures. it would really even the field. we really need to know the law, what america is all about. we do not know enough about that. host: we really appreciate your input this morning. thank you for calling in. caller: hello. the last lady was so wonderful to listen to. when you hear somebody who has been around and knows what is goingall and have a good day. i hope that abortion stays as it
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is, roe v. wade. i am 74. i am not sure what these kids would -- kids would do. it is always the men. i'm signed. but i have to go back. that lady was wonderful. host: it is december 1. we will be joined in just a moment by the executive director. that is coming up, next. >> treasury secretary janet yellen testify on the committee. watch on c-span to come online at c-span.org or watchful coverage on c-span now.
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>> at least six presidents recorded conversations while they were in office. presidential recordings. you will hear about the civil rights act. the march on selma and the war on vietnam. not everyone knew that they were being recorded. >> johnson's secretaries knew because they were test with transcribing many of those conversations. they were the ones that made sure that the conversations were taped. they would signal to them through an open door between his office and there's. >> i want to report a number of people who signed.
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if i cannot ever go to the bathroom, i will not go. i will stay right behind these gates. >> download c-span now today. >> washington journal continues. host: the executive director of the aids institute. welcome to washington journal. joining us here on world aids day, tell us how december 1 became world aids day and what is its purpose and its focus on this day?
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>> the history and -- guest: we had to constantly mind everyone -- remind everyone that there is no cure and hiv is an infectious disease. people have to protect themselves and those that they love. on december 1, it is our hope that people take the time to learn, to educate themselves and their loved ones, hopefully educate their children and remind people that it is not over. host: it is online at the aids institute.org. what does your organization do and how are you funded? guest: we are a funded nonprofit that focuses on policy advocacy, education and communication.
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we do not do direct service. we do policy analysis and we try to influence and review policies and procedures, guidance from all government levels before they are implemented. to try to protect the patient and look through the patient lens. where do we stand -- host: where do we stand in 2021? it became a problem in the u.s.. it came to the forefront very quickly. what is the spread of aids in the u.s.? guest: we are averaging 35 new infections a year, which is way higher than we want.
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about 16,000 deaths a year. host: we had a man call us from phoenix. he said he was 59 and a half years old. he moved over two thirds of his life with hiv-aids. how are most hiv-positive persons surviving and thriving today? what does it take to keep those people healthy? guest: medical treatment is what is keeping people alive. those treatments did not exist in the early years and they have increased tremendously. from what we are gathering from people who actually take those treatments and have taken them for 30 years, they improve them. the reduction of toxicity is so important. it is not only about improving life, but extending and having
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quality of life. the important thing about treatment is, if someone is on a regimen that they have developed with their physician and they are maintaining a to reduce the virus in the body to an undetectable level, if it is not detectable, it cannot be transmitted. that is important. host: the cdc says there are new hiv infections reported annually. some 1.2 million in the u.s. right now are living with hiv, that are hiv-positive. what have been the biggest gains and where have the u.s. -- where has the u.s. fallen short? guest: the biggest gains has been in drug development. the treatment has even taken us
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to a new prevention tool. it is called pre-exposure prophylactics. it has taken the medication to prevent you from getting hiv. it is the closest thing that we have to medical prevention. it is 97% effective of preventing that transmission. that is a huge -- one of the biggest things that we have in our toolbox to prevent hiv. we know so much more about the virus and how drugs interact with the virus. we are learning more and more about the process for people who are living -- the caller earlier they can live 40 to 50 years and age with this.
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host: our guest is michael. we welcome your calls and comments. that is the line for the eastern and central time zones. for mountain and pacific it is (202) 748-8001. you can send us a text. going back to that chart that we showed a moment ago about the numbers, they point out that the populations that are most disproportionately impacted by hiv-aids are among ethnic and racial minorities. why does that continue to be the case? guest: one of the biggest challenges that we have is access. so, especially with racism that
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is in all parts of our society, it is in our health system as well. for nonwhites, they do not have equal access or the same quality of access. that is one of the things that we are fighting for because we know it is one of the drivers. it could be a regional issue. it might be too far away, which happens throughout the u.s., but also did they have access to someone who will pay for that health care? we know that insurance does not fully pay for it. even if you have insurance, you have to look for out-of-pocket costs. that is what we are fighting now is devising additive pocket cost.
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host: when you look at that and here it, the u.s. has a pretty good record to fight aids that was started under george w. bush, expended under the obama administration. it has been a success story, hasn't it? >> it is absolute -- guest: it is absolutely a success story. host: any idea on the numbers that they have treated over the years or are currently treating in africa? guest: it is all over the world. it is millions. including families. being able to eliminate mother
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to child transmission -- that is probably one of the biggest success stories in the advancement of our science. host: the white house issued a proclamation. in it, they write, the covid-19 pandemic has added to the challenges our workers face, yet they continue to deliver prevention services and provide treatment to people living with hiv. from what you have seen, what has been the biggest problem with those americans who are hiv-positive? guest: we were hoping that they were maintaining that treatment throughout the pandemic.
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also, anyone living with hiv has a compromised immune system. they are much more susceptible to getting covid. safety for the population is really important. it is an infectious disease, just like covid. protecting themselves and their loved ones is really important. it is important to get the message out about hiv and its status. host: is it too early to tell if hiv had an effect on the death rate? guest: it is too soon to tell. we are doing our best to ramp up disease intervention specialists . a lot of people have heard about
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it during covid, but they work all year long on other infectious diseases. we do know that people were not receiving treatment or getting tested as often as they were, prior to covid. host: it is world aids day. i should say for those of you who are hiv-positive, you can call on a special line at (202) 748-8002. caller: i have a question. the price of pharmaceuticals, of being so high -- how can people afford to pay for this? you are on limited income and
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the government allows pharmaceuticals to jack the price up three times what it is worth in canada, mexico, india and other countries. they are allowing big pharma to out price people from getting this medication and it is life-threatening. it is ridiculous. they are all tied in with big pharma. they get kickbacks from them. they are talking about giving you discounts on medication host: host: and it is ridiculous. --medication. it is ridiculous. host: larry, are you on some of that medication? what does it cost you? caller: about $35,000 a year. i hardly make that much on pension.
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guest: jug pricing is an issue across the board. it is so frustrating as we mentioned before because of not only the cost, but the cost to the patient. you pay your premiums to help you afford coverage. it is a huge problem. that is one of the things that we are trying to address. the program that was developed and named after the son of jeannie white -- the program has saved many lives. it helps with case management services and medical care costs.
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host: the current budget, the ryan white aids program in the budget is this. 2.4 billion. it is 3.1 billion. 400 30 million for housing assistance. 116 million for mental health services. that's go to bob in baldwinsville, massachusetts. go ahead. caller: v.p. harris: caller: -- caller: good morning. are there drugs that stop aids now? i heard you say that the drugs
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we have today stop it. or do you need to stay on the drugs? guest: there is no cure. the drugs can reduce the amount of virus to non-transmissible. it can provide quality of life for the person living with it, but there is no cure. it is a prevention tool and a treatment tool. host: where are researchers in the hunt for a vax for hiv? guest: there are clinical trials happening right now led by johnson & johnson. host: was there any concern that the pursuit of a covid vaccine and the effort to produce a
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booster would sidetrack hiv research on a vaccine? guest: absolutely. i'm sorry that i misspoke. johnson & johnson is working on a cure, not a vaccine, so that is very exciting. we have been looking at testing. it has been one of the challenges that we are working on. host: could there be a similar
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pocket vaccine hesitancy? guest: absolutely. the biggest challenge in eliminating hiv is that it is a mutating virus. it can mutate around medications designed to help, if they are not taken properly. if someone develops a mutated version and passes that on to another person, they might not be able to take a certain medication that they are now immune to. host: let's hear next from john. caller: i would like to talk about the aids virus and the pandemic. i understand the aids virus had something to do with coming from monkeys and the covid virus came from bats.
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. -- guest: there is no understanding that dr. fauci did anything except discover the virus. or helped to discover the virus and how to treat it. he was one of the leaders in the early 80's, when all of this was happening. we would not know as much as we know today, if it were not for him. host: trump's plan to end the epidemic by 2030 explained, but the question i want to ask you is about president biden's request for ending the epidemic in the u.s. initiative. what is that program and what impact could that have? guest: it is a parallel program.
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one provides care and treatment. that is the program i referred to. through the modeling of the hiv pandemic and cases throughout the u.s., they have identified that the primary driver -- they have identified certain metropolitan areas that will receive this money that was developed under the trump administration. it has bipartisan support and it is putting resources into those populations that need it the most. host: we are live for those of you living with the hiv virus. on that line is richard, little
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rock -- richard from little rock, arkansas. caller: hearing the gentleman say everything that i have been through, not being able to take certain medications -- i am on the drugs that cost me 35,000 dollars a year. i need extra help from the government. i live less than $1000 a month. my housing is covered through the government. people living with aids need to inform those living -- not living with it. this is the ignorance that they need to present. it is there and it is living among us.
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take a test and figure out which ones you can take because it is living among us and it is living with me. stop the ignorance of those that are calling. guest: he is absolutely right. i appreciate him sharing his story. if more people heard them, it would change everything. it would change people's opinions. host: we will hear from debbie on the line. caller: good morning. i was just wondering. the medications affect the efficacy of the covid vaccine? guest: we have no knowledge of
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that. i understand from one of the meetings with dr. fauci that there are studies underway, but i do not know about it. host: debbie, have you been vaccinated? caller: yes, i have been. host: did your doctor advise you against any side effects? caller: no. i know that the efficacy wanes after a certain amount of time. in my case, it did not. it expanded tremendously. i was wondering if they could affect the efficacy of the vaccine and make it stronger. guest: as far as we know, it could make it stronger or it could weaken it. there are a lot of people who do get recommended to not take the vaccine because of treatment.
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host: for people living with hiv and being treated, what is their regular routine in terms of keeping the virus in check? does it involve a blood test to determine how much of the virus is present in their body? guest: it does. it includes routine contact. not only are the levels important, but any changes in the levels are important. the physician and the patient need to address that and identify or continue to reduce the amount of virus in their system. host: let's go to sean. go ahead. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i actually had to call in this morning to make a comment.
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aids. i'm side. i'm so nervous, trying to keep my composure. going through everything that we had to go through with her, first of all that she found out that she had aids. she was in a relationship and engaged to be married. when we found out, we bound together to figure out a treatment. we wanted to make sure that we still used caution to protect ourselves and also, i went out of my way to educate myself
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further about aids. and hiv. we did lose her in the late 1980's and it destroyed everything. she left behind a son and we had to help the family. it can traumatically destroy, not just families and friends. we do not know where viruses come from, how we get diseases in our country. i would pray to god, i wish that we had the treatments that we had today back then, so she would still be living. people, please educate yourself. our physicians, we need to ask
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people to take the hiv test. this is not talked about and we need to start bringing back all of the diseases in this country, making people aware of them. we should not be charging people for a terminal illness disease that is out of their control. host: all right. thank you. guest: if more people spoke out like you just did, beautifully, we would really change things, a lot. does really good, important points, especially around medication access, treatment and cost. we really appreciate you saying that. host: is the main form of contracting the virus still sexual contact? guest: it is. host: laurie, you are on the
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air. caller: thank you for taking my phone call. as a woman who has lived with aids for going on 37 years now, i am so thankful to dr. fauci and others, the research that they did to help prolong our lives and help us to live a better life. it hurts my heart when i hear the misinformation and dissident -- discrimination that exist today. the woman who called before me, brought up a lot of emotions. my husband was unfaithful. i watch so many young, beautiful people die really tragic deaths, lonely and alone because of
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discrimination and misunderstanding of what this virus really was. i spent the last several years educating and helping to build a foundation to try to help, but it breaks my heart to no and to hear some of the colors who are still an educated, judgment aiding -- judgmental and denying the science behind the virus is we have to live with, day in and day out. i am retired now, but eight years ago, i am interested to know what education is still ongoing and what more we can do. maybe we can get back into education. i do not know, but i would appreciate them letting me know what education is available now.
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guest: those organizations still exist. a lot of those become federally qualified so they can do more right on site and they are one-stop shops. they still need a lot of help, they need volunteers. as far as communication and education, a lot of that is met by the center of disease control and from health resources administration but most of the programs in the real education programs are homegrown, they are developed by local organizations and health departments. collaborations between state health departments and the nonprofits in the area and lots and lots. >> question for you on twitter. did the favored nation executive order reduce cost when it was in
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effect? guest: i am not familiar with it. host: we will hear from susie in richmond, virginia. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was diagnosed with aids on september 11, 1997. it took them four days of running every test on me because it would not accept that i might have aids. but i did. i am now 71. i absolutely celebrate richmond virginia. we have a training hospital and the infectious disease clinic is fantastic. my doctor immediately introduced me to the drug program that helps me. it actually pays my co-pays. so i do have medicare insurance, but it pays my co-pays paid on
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living a very comfortable thriving life at 71 with hiv after all of those years because in richmond the churches and all the health centers stood up and said we are going to fight this and provide the treatment we needed. i agree with the lady about stigma. i don't go around announcing that i have aids. but i do listen louder when i hear somebody who is uneducated their absolute step forward. host: good to end on a positive note. any last thoughts on this world aids day? guest: you made an amazing point. you shouldn't have to ask for testing, it should be part of the routine maintenance and it shouldn't have to put positions
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-- physicians in the petition -- position of uncomfortably talk to older patients because of misconceptions and those issues. if it was part of the annual physical, such things would not happen. host: more information at the aids institute.org. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you for having me. host: a little over half an hour left in the program. we open up our phones to hear from you on topics of the day once we cover world -- world aids day. for republicans, the line is 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. for independents, 202-748-8002. go ahead and start dialing. we will get your calls in just a moment. ♪
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>> the supreme court hears a case today on the constitutionality of the mississippi law banning most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. argument is live at 10 :00 a.m. eastern on c-span three, online at c-span.org or watch full on c-span now, our new video app.
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>> american history tv. saturdays on c-span2 exploring the events that tell the american story at 2:00 p.m. eastern on the presidency we look back at herbert hoover's 1964 funeral. in west branch, iowa. then it ate :00 p.m. on lectures in history, professor loretta honeycutt on baseball during the great depression. she discusses the role of baseball and american culture and the origin of sports journalism. watch american history tv saturdays on c-span2. find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online. >> washington journal continues. host: our c-span cameras are
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live outside the u.s. supreme court today as the court in under half an hour will take up an abortion case coming from the state of mississippi, that argument coming up at 10:00 eastern. our coverage plans, we will have that live for you this morning on c-span3 and you can follow alive on our mobile app c-span now. it is open forum up to 10:00 eastern in the u.s. house coming in with our live coverage on c-span. lines to call for republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents and others, 202-748-8002. on the new omicron variant this is front page of the new york times. here is their headline about the origin of that variant of the virus. variant arrived in europe sooner than was known.
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the world health organization says vulnerable people should put on travel. the spread of the variant, of covid in europe in terms of spread of covid overall. here is july 24 you can see it in the color of the darker areas. july 24 and then two months later, september 24. and then two months later again down here to november 24 and a much broader spread. cases in some countries have reached double the levels of last year's winter peak. yesterday's briefing of the covid-19 response team, the bbc director dr. rochelle walensky -- cdc director talked about what they are doing to monitor potential spread of the variant in the united states. >> we are actively looking for the omicron variant right here
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in the united states. right now there is no evidence of omicron in the united states. the delta variant remains the predominant circulating strain representing 99.9% of all sequences paneled. throughout the pandemic as noted above, cdc has monitored variance and vastly expanded our capacity for sequencing of the past timeline. we have received specimens from all 50 states including northern mariana islands, puerto rico, the virgin islands. sequencing samples from these jurisdictions and from geographically diverse areas around the country collaborating with academia and with partners. our variant surveillance system has demonstrated weekend deal of variance. we are actively putting measures
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in place with local and state laboratories to make section and sequencing even faster. host: let's get to your calls on open forum. we will go to pompano beach, florida. democrats line. caller: good morning. i would make three points. first, no one who is against abortion has ever said half the baby, we will ensure the child is taken care of, get a college education, have a nice family, etc.. second, women should determine what is done with their bodies and no one else. third, the people who were against the vaccine, my neighbor said they want no one to have the vaccine and when i asked him
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to sign a paper saying when i get the virus i will give up all medical rights, he went to get his shot. thank you very much. host: independent line from kentucky, go ahead. caller: that was awful sweet of that guy to celebrate his neighbor getting threatened with losing medical. that's a real good attitude to have. i think that will help us out in this country. of course i'm just kidding. she said something about she didn't know about the black abortion rate in new york city and you can find that reporting of more black babies are aborted then are born alive in new york city from the wall street
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journal 2018. just because she doesn't like it doesn't mean it's not been reported. thank you. host: we will go to gary in newport, kentucky at this time. caller: as you can see from the last segment, the cost of drugs is at the top of the list for americans and seniors, bidens build back better bill, the medicare prescription out-of-pocket is the first thing on the top to be chopped in the senate and it just seems that seniors always come out on the losing end of the spring seniors don't need eye care, dental care, they can afford to pay for that. host: this is the hill and their
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headline on a story this morning. gop infighting gets uglier. house republicans can't seem to stop fighting with each other despite potentially being less than a year out from winning a majority in the 2022 midterm election. kevin mccarthy urged republicans to stop attacking each other after 13 moderate gop lawmakers were marked as traitors some of their conservative colleagues. over their vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill championed by president biden. mccarthy is the odds on favorite to be the speaker if the -- if they win back the house. they say they should focus instead on their opposition to democrats show full spending package paid weeks later conservatives and ultraconservative lawmakers are again making headlines with schoolyard insults on twitter. gop drama on tuesday left a nasty fight between marjorie taylor greene and nancy mace
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with green calling the swing district lawmaker trash for condemning lauren boebert. mace fired back by using emojis to label green as crazy. nathan in ohio on the independent line. go ahead. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i have a few things to say. this constitutional stuff drives me crazy. it's as naturally born citizens are guaranteed rights to become president. that's the only place it talks about rights plus that's the only basis the courts can deal with. if you want to change the constitution there's a fine line to do it. second, quit going out there and saying we don't. my son was 21 weeks old when they induced labor. i am so sick and tired of the lies out of the right every day.
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sorry i got triggered, have a good day. host: tina is next up in mississippi, go ahead. caller: i just have one thing tonight. i was one of those that got pregnant and was not married. i went to an unwed mother's home and had this child. they gave it up for an adoption and he was adopted out and that child was 30 years old. he found me some way or another. we had a wonderful relationship. then him and a friend of his that he worked with had to go to chicago to learn more electronic work and his father knew about him. a drunk driver hit him head-on and killed him so all of got to say is god knows what's best for
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these children. it's terrible that they want somebody else to make a decision on whether to do away. there's so many people out there. if they're going to give money, why not give it to unwed mothers homes instead of abortion clinic. host: thank you for your call. ludington, michigan on the democrats line. caller: actually i was calling in regards to the pandemic just because it's kind of hitting michigan hard. my spouse is a health care provider and what i'm seeing, i'm being told like 93% of the patients in the hospital are unvaccinated. they are pretty much all incredible tradition.
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and what's happening to the health care workers, people are making them heroes and now all of a sudden they are zeros. there's been no extra compensation for it -- to the health care providers and nurses and the staff. another thing unfortunately they are losing their empathy for our fellow citizens coming in and it reflects in their -- when they come home at night, my spouse's -- my spouse is depressed because of this is what is seen every day. unfortunately they see it as an unrelenting thing. the impression that this is going to be the future for the next three years. again i always thought the abortion thing was taken care of during roe v. wade and i do not know why this has to be
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revisited. men have no business in with bins -- in women's reproductive rights. have a great day. host: dr. anthony fauci on that cdc briefing talked about the importance of vaccine protection. [video clip] >> the vaccines we use are directed against the original what we call ancestral strain of the wuhan strain. so you get a certain level of antibodies that are specific against that strain. then we had the evolution of variants including the very problematic delta variant. if you look at the mutations on the delta variant and you look at its function, you actually diminish somewhat the protection that is induced the vaccines. however when you get a high enough level of antibodies and there's not only antibodies, there's other elements of response. when you boost it you get a
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level so high that even if the mutations of various variance diminish that level of protection, you are still within the range of some degree of protection and that is usually most manifested in protection against disease that leads to hospitalization. so when we say that although these mutations suggest a diminution of protection and a degree of immune innovations, we still have experience with delta that we can make a reasonable conclusion you would not eliminate all protection against this particular variant. we don't know what that degree of diminution of protection will be but we know when you boost somebody, you elevate your level of protection high and we are hoping and i think with good reason to feel good that there will be some degree of protection.
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therefore as we said if you are unvaccinated, get vaccinated and if you are vaccinated, get boosted. host: on twitter, joni says the omicron variant will wash over america like delta did people are doing the right thing getting vaccinated in boosted. the unvaccinated are walking into a minefield. they don't have to. a couple of serious shooting incidents across the country yesterday. to the detroit free press, high school shooting leaves three dead and multiple injured. a take a look at the alleged journal-constitution. dekalb county deputy shot while serving in arrest warrant. the suspect is still at large. in alabama, we hear from the independent line. caller: i think that we need to
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have a select voting. it should only be the people who need to be represented are the babies. we need to have the babies vote for their rights. host: neil in prescott, arizona. caller: i'm curious about the left moving towards abortion, we want to save lives but then why do people want to execute a baby but not execute the murderer from the unborn baby and the mother. what did the child do, what did the baby do wrong? but then of course you want to condemn people with a firearm but they don't want anybody to be protected. they want to save lives with
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vaccines but don't want to save the life of a child. host: as we watch the crowd gather, reminder of our coverage. oral argument starts in about 10 minutes at 10:00 a.m. eastern, the court has allocated one hour and 10 minutes but many expected to go longer. however long he goes you can hear it all over on c-span3. we will also carry that live on our numeral mobile map -- on our new mobile app. under device or phone or tablet and we will follow the coverage as well. 10 more minutes of our calls we go to becky in san diego. >> good morning. a comment on abortion. the only people who have a legitimate right to be concerned about any abortion are the woman, her doctor and her relationship with her god
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whatever that may be. it is nobody else's business. if you are not one of these individuals, it is none of your business. if the prohibitions against abortion are based on religious law, any religion, than they should not be enacted into civil law. that's all i have to say. thank you. host: theresa from new york on the independent line. caller: i heard the woman probably a half hour ago reported she traveled to 26 countries and then stated that those who are antiabortion are also anti-vaccine. i have no idea what the two of those have together. perhaps this catholic involved. while i am catholic and i trust in god almighty and one of the commandments is thou shalt not
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kill. and i believe that i being a woman, i believe that women should pay attention to thou shalt not kill their baby. maybe there's too much sexual activity going on and i think the older women now stating that it's up to them, a woman's choice. do they realize they are affecting young girls that may listen to this and today young girls and young fellows aren't getting married. i am totally against it and one other thing as far as this is an open forum, i think our government, i would not trust the government or people in government, not today. not with what's going on in this administration. so my last word is this administration that was fraudulently elected and should
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be declared illegitimate. i hope and pray to god that these babies are not going to continue to be aborted. host: annie in st. petersburg, florida. democrats line. caller: hello, good morning. i'm calling on a couple of points. first off i'm calling about the actions of the republicans. what's going on in our government that they can sit there and say what you say to other members of the house and congress, why is nothing getting done about this? i'm just shocked. secondly i'm calling about abortion. my feelings are that i do not think a woman should have to carry a baby that she has
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conceived out of rape or in sask to full-term. that is ridiculous for people to have to do that. what a horrible situation. having to carry a baby to full-term, that is wrong. i'm basically calling because i am just shocked with the republican party in general and also the fact that they would even think to make a woman do that after such an awful situation. host: fairfax, california. this is annie. republican line. caller: good morning. i am calling in about the abortion issue. i agree with the gentleman and the lady who said the only
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people who should be involved is the woman because the man who also creates the baby is also responsible. it would be his baby as well. i just wanted to put that point out. i wonder about joe biden being a catholic that catholics are taught that life is sacred and i wonder how he's feeling about it. host: two robert webster new york on our democrats line. caller: good morning. , registered democrat who is a catholic. i went to the march for life a few years ago and i was disturbed because i thought the women were being maligned and abused. the women who find them selves and the situation ought to be helped, not demonized and abused
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by political parties. we need to come together as a country we are not crucifying the victims, but finding a solution to help these women. if anything if men cannot control their pensions, perhaps the man should be castrated. if they are impregnating women. i used to teach in rochester, a young girl was impregnated by her uncle. host: did she carry the baby to term? caller: yes she did. these things happen.
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we have to look at the whole situation. host: a couple minutes left. we talked about inflation this morning and we heard from the fed chair and from the senate. this is the headline in the wall street journal this morning. prices of gas pump hit drivers. americans are paying higher the pump. u.s. gas prices climbed out 50% in a year. up from $2.27 according to data from gas buddy. this year's rise is on pace to be the largest percentage increase in at least a decade. mountaintop, pennsylvania on the mountaintop is irene on the republican line. good morning. good morning. -- caller: good morning. what we're dealing with weatherby aids are abortion are against god.
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prevention is the best cure. this behavior that's going on is the cause of aids. host: i will let you go there and answer that call. in florida, jimmy make it quick, the u.s. house coming in momentarily. caller: i agree with the guy who said if a woman is denied an abortion i think the male should be castrated. i don't think we should be punishing the women for what the men do. host: on that -- the abortion case just a reminder it will be over on c-span3 momentarily. also on the c-span now app. you can follow live there as well. washington journal is done for today, we hope you are back. we will take you live next to the u.s. house as the gavel in for speeches. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national
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cable satellite corp. 2021] [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. december 1, 2021. i hereby appoint the honorable greg

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