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wi-fi enabled areas. >> comcast supports c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front-row seat to democracy. towards the middle anr part of the week, a lot happening, particularly yesterday in congress with the passage of that continuing resolution that keeps the government funded until mid february. the house doing that in the later afternoon hours. the senate following suit after talk of some senators possibly holding that process up because of the president's vaccine mandate. overall, that took place yesterday on capitol hill. you can see that debate on c-span. also, the president unveiled a new strategy going into the winter months, particularly on covid-19 with testing, boosters and other aspects being focused in the following weeks and responding to comments on omicron and cases found in the u.s.. earlier this week, you can find
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oral arguments on our website on the mississippi abortion case. that is still available. you can choose those as your top story of the week and comment as you wish. perhaps you are following what is important to you in the world of politics and public policy. call us at (202)-748-8001 for republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202)-748-8002. when it comes to the passage of that continued resolution, it was in the house yesterday, the appropriations chair, a democrat in new york, talked about concerns over possibly holding back. here are some comments from yesterday. [video clip] >> i will be frank, instead of discussing another continuing resolution, i wish we were here to present a bipartisan, bicameral appropriations agreement, continuing resolutions are not the way to govern. they are a short-term pass that
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leaves american people behind, but we are here today because my colleagues across the aisle have refused time and time again to begin negotiations or even offer a proposal of their own. for government funding, that delivers for the american people. house and senate democrats have put forward their proposals, but republicans have not presented an offer of their own. there is not one piece of paper describing what republicans want. it has been 30-days since i brought together a bipartisan, bicameral, four corners meeting on november 2. today, we have not heard one word from them. not one word. now, our republican counterparts want more time, something that they have had since we came to this floor to pass the last funding extension 62 days ago. which means we now have no choice but to pursue a
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short-term extension. make no mistake, a vote against this continued resolution is a vote to shut the government down. [end video clip] host: "washington journal" highlighting that extending that current federal spending set under the trump administration through mid-february, will give lawmakers more time to pass a new set of funding bills. republicans have october serve the current funding bill for as long as possible, while democrats are pushing for more funding for both care, education and research. democrats are pushing for the governors -- governments borrowing limit and defense bill. they are also hoping to finish the climate pact before the end of the month. when it comes to spending issues, it was the appropriations ranking manager yesterday, kay granger, republican from texas, talking about the democratic proposal and their emphasis here is a portion of that from yesterday. [video clip]
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>> the house and senate bills were drafted for topline spending levels that did not reflect the bipartisan consensus . the majority of people also focused funding on their own priorities with nondefense spending increasing at a much higher rate than defense spending. last but not least, the policies and the bills are the most extreme i have seen since i became a member of the appropriations committee. during 2019 2020, there were also strong difference in opinions, but we had an agreement that allowed us to negotiate final bills quickly. the terms are rather simple. the party leaders in the white house reached early agreement on the spending framework. everyone agreed to drop controversial linkage and restore long-standing provisions unless all sides agree to changes. i am concerned we cannot have meaningful discussions on full-year appropriations without a similar understanding before
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we start. i wish you would have focused on the essential elements of government long before now. instead, to which time has been spent focusing on extreme partisan and costly bills being sent to the president's desk, and there could be another bill on the way before the end of the year. it is unrealistic for republicans to negotiate on appropriations bills while this massive reconciliation package is still under discussion. our constituents are demanding that we take a comprehensive look at all the spending this year with our debt skyrocketing and inflation at the highest level in 30 years, we cannot afford to think about appropriations bills and isolation. [end video clip] host: more of that available at c-span.org. this is derek from seattle, washington, starting us off on your top story of the week on the independent line. good morning. caller: yes, my top issue is why the republicans are voting to
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shut down the government again? they voted for the infrastructure bill. they do not want to pay for nothing. while the republicans voting for this? they are getting those loans, they got the ppp loans. trump spent over $7 trillion when he was in office. joe manchin and kyrsten sinema [indiscernible] because what they are doing is nothing. we want to build back better plan. we don't care about no infrastructure bill. we want better childcare. republicans are fitting to cut it out. host: you think it is not going to get out of the senate? caller: i don't think it is going to get out of the senate. this is what i want you to ask republicans. why do they think they should get any funds in their district, and do they think that people who are supporting them?
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host: that was derek in seattle, washington. the build back better plan going for consideration after passage in the house now to the senate. cliff in san angelo, texas. we were next. caller: can you hear me good? host: i can. caller: it was kind of choppy in the beginning when the producer answer. you know, my top story is not a top story, actually, but i think it should be. it has to do with the virus, and i have been an 18 month sufferer of long-haul. it is not talked about. it is hard to get treatment. nobody really knows about it or wants to talk about it, but i have had 18 months of being externally tired, fatigued, and all the symptoms you hear about, but there does not seem to be a treatment. nobody talks about it. by good estimates by experts, there are as many as 20 million
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long-haulers. i was so sick the last 18 months, i had a hard time getting out of the house. i think, number one, we need treatment. we need to talk about it. number two, i think nobody talks about where have all the workers gone? i do not know if they consider that some of the problem with finding workers other long-haulers that are running out of money -- are the long-haulers that are running out of money and they are too sick to work. host: doubts cliff in texas. at 8:30 this morning, a release of jobs numbers, so you can see that. we will report that when that is put out. ricardo in oakdale, california, independent, hi. caller: hi. i have been watching everything going on since trump was in office, and he even got the virus. i have a suspicion that the laboratories in africa, the
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republicans with trump and them are creating the virus and using that as a diversionary tactic to slow down the democrats and to keep biden busy with the virus. they are trying to be dictators. that is like trump went to russia, north korea, and saudi arabia. he is in bed with all these dictators. host: when you make that claim, how do you base that claim? what do you used to back it up? caller: because i have been watching since day one what is going on. host: but give me some reasons why you think that is taking place specifically. caller: first of all, my grandpa was an apache scout in new mexico in the calvary. there is something wrong with what is going on because we are experts at tracking people. host: that is ricardo in california. that's hear from loretta in
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cleveland, ohio, independent line. caller: well, i guess the topic would be my issue of why the republicans are holding everything up? like we can't see they are the ones holding everything up. what is wrong with them? host: give me an example of what they are holding up. caller: holding up the build back better bill. they do not want to pay for the $8 trillion trump debt. i really want to know what is in that package, pedro. how do you spend $8 trillion in four years? i really want to know, and like they said, it is our tax dollars, and we have the right to know. and they want to know about all this other stuff that don't even matter. you know, we are going to need
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some bridges and some roads, but, right now, -- host: that also passed in the house and senate republicans voted along with that, too. caller: yeah, that is part one, pedro. i am talking about the total package. they were not supposed to be broken apart, but they were. after they were broke apart, the bridges on the roads were passed . republicans said forget the people. ain't that funny, pedro, how republicans say forget the people? host: that is loretta in cleveland. let's go to california, democrat's line, hi. caller: i was a republican and then trump came along, so now democrat. host: so you truly are a democrat and calling on this line accurately? caller: yes. host: go ahead. caller: i see the struggle we are going through because i watched the fentanyl committees
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and the witnesses broadcasting like 2, 3 hours ago. host: the hearing from earlier this week. caller: yes. that was amazing. we are so undermanned and understaffed. there is no way that we are going to feel safe. oh, it is just the mexican border, and it is also coming to canada. this is like telling your kids to drink bleach to cure covid where we just go, we are not going to do anything. we are in dire straits, and they are intently looking to schedule one, schedule two narcotics or medications. they want to make fentanyl into a medication when it is currently killing hundreds of thousands of americans. that cannot happen. host: scott in roseville, california, talking about some thing of importance to him. that fentanyl hearing with
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witnesses and from lawmakers, you can find that online at c-span.org. maybe that is a top story of the week. many of you mention legislative action, supreme court hearing on the case on abortion this weekend other things. call us at (202)-748-8001 for republicans. democrats, (202)-748-8000. independents (202)-748-8002. text us at (202)-748-8003. if you are on the line, go ahead and keep calling. if you are waiting a few more minutes, we would appreciate it. joining us to talk about that senate action on the cr, the extension of funding, is our guest from national journal, zach cohen. he has a story out taking a look on the senate pulled back from shutdown rate. guest: morning. host: talk to us a little about this effort that we heard from earlier, the potential for stopping the process or voting on this bill, and the three senators involved with that.
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guest: right. congress had come to a head. today, it should've been a potential shutdown deadline basically september 30, or the week of that, congress said that they would punt to this friday, december 3, as a new deadline to come up with an agreement on how to fund the government for the full fiscal year. however, a couple of conservatives, like ted cruz, basically said we are not going to vote for, let alone, allow a vote in a timely process any spending bill as long as there is not action to try to stop the biden administration's efforts to mandate the vaccination regular testing of private employees. it is not yet fully in effect, but this is something that conservatives, especially in congress, worked up about and interested in doing something
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about. because a final deal on another stopgap spending bill has not been reached until a couple of hours yesterday before the deadline, the senate had little time to take up this bill or to bring up the bill, even though it had come over from the house and has support over 60 senators in the final vote. what ended up happening was sanded up getting a vote on an amendment that would have failed and defunded the vaccine mandate by osha as the bill is now going to president biden, where he is expected to sign it. host: because the amendment failed yesterday, does that mean the issue regarding the senators' efforts on faxing mandates is over at this point? guest: far from it, good question. senator macron from indiana has a resolution that he can force a vote on as soon as next week that would basically pullback the osha regulation. a power that congress gave itself on an expedited basis and
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usually takes a couple of weeks to rollback any regulation they disagree with. and that should be successful. senator joe manchin, the democrat from west virginia', said he would -- virginia, said he would prefer that others also said they supported. what mansion and other democrats did not want to do was -- manchin and other democrats did not want to do was add this repeal of a regulation to a funding bill, jeopardizing the passing in the house, and with president biden, and potentially cause a shutdown. that resolution could come to the senate next week. then it would go over to the house, where if it is not killed there, then biden would veto it, and it seems unlikely there would be eight majority in either congressional chamber to overturn the veto. so the vaccine mandate law is going to stay, even though, as i said earlier, the court has put a pause on actually implanting it. host: what was appetitive the minority leader mitch mcconnell
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and going along with the efforts by the senators? guest: he was opposed to it. tuesday he was telling reporters were not going to shutdown the government. sort of no questionable terms, and that he was on fox news on thursday, basically saying that this gambit by people like marshall, lee, cruz was a bad idea, not getting outcome. that it could cause a shutdown. that it would be an outlet for senators for addressing the vaccine mandate and that was to extend the measure i mentioned from senator braun, which is supported by all 50 senate republicans and now joe manchin. he worked to sort of get a final agreement, and what they decided to do was have this vote with their understanding with all 50 democrats close to it and the absence of two republican senators out of town to family commitments, that that amendment was going to fail, and that gave both the conservatives who had pushed for this, and then the vote they had been asking for, a
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50 vote threshold, a normal 60 vote, but at the lower 50 vote threshold, but also allow the spending bill to move and avoid the shutdown later today. host: when it comes to other issues, zach cohen, first the senate when it comes to considering the build back better act? guest: this is a long to do list, and avoiding the shutdown was the first item on it. they have got to find a way to avert a default on the national debt by raising the debt ceiling as soon as two weeks from now, december 15 is the earliest janet yellen has said is possible that the u.s. government would run out of money to be able to pay, make its payments in full and on time. majority leader chuck schumer has talked about wanting to pass the boat back better act before christmas. they would likely still have to go back to the house wants the senate makes changes because the changes that democratic senators want to make in the bill or that the senate parler terrien that budget rules would preclude from including the final package. that is always another big
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priority. the annual military policy bill. the national defense authorization act is stalled at the moment as an amendment from senator marco rubio that would crackdown on labor camps in a province of china that rubio and others would like to see included in the defense policy bill, but it is having trouble in the house and could potentially do it over there. that though, which has passed -- that bill, which has passed in the past, may fall through the wayside. there is a lot on their plate, and it is likely that some late nights, weekends, and maybe holiday work is in store. host: the story by zach cohen can be found at national journal. it covers congress, regularly the senate. thank you for your time. guest: thanks, pedro. host: thank you for those on the phone waiting period patricia in atlantic city -- phone waiting
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period patricia in atlanta -- phone waiting. patricia in atlantic city. caller: i was a stunningly yesterday to the roe v. wade discussion. i wanted to change my comment. in the early 1990's, i worked in women's clinic that performed procedures, the abortion procedure for women. the one image -- there are a lot -- but the one image that sticks in my mind, and people should know how difficult it is for women. a 12-year-old little girl was assaulted by a family member, and she was there for an abortion. the entire time she was there, she was clutching her teddy bear. that image of that little girl so frightened and scared, clutching the teddy bear, is why, one of the reasons why i feel that it is so
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important for people to understand the pain-and-suffering that women have to go through, and that there is nothing bigger in government than the state telling a woman what to do with her body. roe v. wade must stand, or women will die because i could tell you from first-hand from working in the clinic that when a young woman is pregnant and is not want to be, for whatever reason, she will go to great mea ns to terminate her pregnancy. host: that was patricia in atlantic city, new jersey, on the supreme court case on mississippi's abortion law, available at c-span.org if you want to listen to the oral arguments. one of the people speaking about the topic was house speaker nancy pelosi, talking about the court hearing. her concerns, and also what
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congress, in her opinion, should do about the issue. [video clip] >> so we have a situation where for asked, we believe the strongest weapon that we have here is to pass the roe v. wade codification. we did that already. in the house. it establishes statutory rights for health care providers to provide, and women to avail themselves to receive abortion care, free from medical unnecessary restrictions, the doj, and providers, by restrictions, made unlawful under the act, could go to court to enforce those rights. it made the law of women's health detection act would protect access determination of a pregnancy across the country. the codification of roe, again, the codification of roe, is the strongest weapon we have a blunt
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these restrictive anti-women state laws. we do not know what the decision will be from the court. from what they have said about not respecting precedents is troubling, and what they have said about -- sometimes i think they need a session on the birds and the bees for some of the kinds of statements that they make. [end video clip] host: if you want to see more of that press conference from speaker pelosi, you can see that at our website at c-span.org. the minority leader later this morning will offer his own comments on a variety of issues on his weekly press briefing. president biden also expected to make comments on the economy. house leader mccarthy will be at 11:30 on c-span, c-span.org, and rc spano video app, and in jobs report comments from the
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president at 10:15 this morning. from twitter, this is aztec saying that the court ruling putting the vaccine mandate on temporary hold, the government kicks the can down the road again, adding meeting budget reform and removing wasteful government treat tina rivera off of facebook this morning -- government. tina rivera off of facebook says top stories of the supreme court and roe. evelyn from facebook saying that stacey abrams in georgia announcing she will make another run to become the governor of that state. and then stephen saying the climate crisis is still threatening our extinction, just saying. facebook is the way you can express your thoughts on top stories. text us at (202)-748-8003 and tweet us at --@cspanwj. silver spring, maryland, mark. caller: good morning. thank you for take michael. i would like to talk about the supreme court oral argument. we cannot ignore joseph
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sotomayor -- justice sotomayor [indiscernible] there is an hypocrisy here. on one hand, the court defends exemptions or religious exemptions for any factors for people who do not practice social distancing, and will the same conservative judges provide exemptions for those who need abortions passed with the court considers their own deadline? host: why do you think religious exemptions are coming into the court's thinking on this? caller: the court did not talk about religious exemptions to allow people to get abortions. trust me, most people do not consider a blast this is a human
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being. most religions defend the mother's life over the fetus's life. yet, the court is allowing for religious exemptions before vaccination but not for those whose religion require certain practice that necessitates abortion. host: ok, that is marking maryland. let's hear from miguel from gambrell, maryland, republican line. caller: how's it going? things for having me. if you do not mind, i would like to talk about two things. one is roe v. wade. i'm not that worried about it. the woman in that trial, i guess, she had come back on even one team, going back on what she had said all those years ago. she did not want to have that, but they kept the law anyways. something else i wanted to say
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was, you know, with the vaccine mandates, they are just absolutely ridiculous. i think it is crazy to try and force this poison on people. i will never take it or give it to my family. i think it is one of the most disgusting things are government is backing. thanks for your time. host: the president making another purse yesterday, talking about the new variant that is been discovered in the united states, as well as the ongoing issues when it comes to covid-19. vaccinations being part of that push. "the washington post" reporting for everything that the president laid out yesterday, which you can find that c-span.org, that it was unclear whether such plans would spur significant movement on vaccinations at a time when the new shots have slowed and attitudes have appeared to have hardened. 58% of americans were considered "fully vaccinated against the coronavirus," as of november 1. a great climbed 59.4% as of
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december 1, according to "the washington post" vaccination tracker. there is emerging evidence of a widening partisan gap among americans choosing to get a booster shot. the kaiser family foundation on thursday reported that 32% of vaccinated democrats received a booster shot compared with 21% of independents, and a 2% of republicans. 31% of fully vaccinated republicans say they probably would not get a booster shot. let's hear from carolyn in ohio. democrat's line. hi. caller: hi. i just have a side note. i live on the border of west virginia and ohio. recently on a local west virginia broadcasting service, they have commercials with senator manchin over and over again. it says that he is for the paid leave and i'm confused because i
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see those commercials in here on the television that he is not. i thought it was an interesting side note. i thought you all would want to know. it is wtap out of parkersburg, west virginia, that i have been seeing all those commercials for joe manchin. that is it. host: ok. al is next in plymouth, massachusetts, hi. caller: good morning. i am going to bring up something we have not heard in a while and got buried with jimmy hoffa. i have not heard a word about afghanistan. not a word from the left-wing media complex. they have moved us onto the britney spears update, so that is very important, but the bbc is reporting that over 100 former government officials were murdered. you know, and this is why we do not trust the left-wing media complex. they move the ball down. host: what is important to know
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about afghanistan now, in your opinion? caller: part of your job, what is going on in afghanistan? what is the result of the fall of afghanistan? host: we have seen several weeks since the pullouts, so what is important about it now in your mind? caller: what is the status of afghanistan? why isn't the media covering that? host: why do you think it is important? caller: because it is news that impacts people, and that is what you and others in the media went to school for, and went to college, to come and be a part of the media. host: he said it impacts people. why do you think people should still care about afghanistan in your opinion? why? caller: because a country fell to a group where we don't know what they are doing now. we don't know every american is out of their. why is it off the news loop?
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have you heard a word about afghanistan the last two months? host: caller, there have been various stories in various publications, i am sure, maybe not as of. the date caller: did you know that -- maybe not as of today. caller: did you know that allegedly by the bbc reporting that over 100 former officials have been killed? host: no, i did not. caller: can you do a story on that? can you bring in some experts on that? host: i tell you what, i will find the story, but thank you for your opinion as far as tennis why you think it is your top story -- as far as why you think it is your top story. delever that and for calling and telling us what you think -- thank you for calling and telling us why you think it is important. we have another 30 minutes to go. you can talk about the stock funding bill that was passed, the abortion case of the supreme court, which you heard others talk about this morning, the
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variants from covid, you can post on twitter at --@cspanwj, and if you want, facebook.com/c-span, and texting as from your phone or device, (202)-748-8003. independent online, from tennessee, james. caller: hello. host: you are on, go ahead. caller: yeah. supreme court. talking about women, women's bodies, and how they have these babies if they get raped, incest. i would like to see some of these men get pregnant or get raped. host: we will leave there. let's go to chris, santa clarita california, democrat'
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lines. caller: going? thanks for being independent and letting everyone talk it out. i am democratic. i like to watch both news. i just have got to say that they really dig deep and get the other side. it is good to hear both sides. so far, those conservative networks, not really been wrong on any stories. the biden story, the whole laptop was true. the whole russian thing that came out with trump was true and it was a hoax and no collusion print i want to give a shout out to the other newsgroups that i hope people back and watch the conservatives in the leftist newsgroups. we have to admit that msnbc and cnn are pretty left. host: since you called in, and this is a top story of the week segment, do you have a particular one that six out in your mind? -- that sticks out in
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your mind? caller: i have been watch
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i would have been really ticked off and i would have birthed a child that was not ready for society. i don't see why someone should be forced, especially teenagers, especially those who are not aware of what's going on in life. i was young. i was clueless. i should not have brought a life into this world. and you have to think of the quality of life, not just the life itself. i would challenge anyone who says i should have -- they should have made me have the baby anyway to look at the foster care system. the foster care system and these kids are really messed up who are in the foster care system. it's not a game. these are lives. and it's amazing to me that the same people who say they should not be forced to wear a mask would force me to carry a child in my stomach that i did not want. that should have been my choice.
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host: carolyn in baltimore, maryland. the previous story on the death of the former members of the afghan security forces, that was reported a couple days ago. it came from a group called human rights watch, a report they did. no forgiveness for people like you, executions, appearance -- disappearance from the taliban. that group, according to that report, had 47 disappearances in four provinces from october 15 to the 30th. michelle in lockport, new york. democrats line. hi. caller: thank you. i really appreciate the opportunity to have my voice heard and everything. i'm also very glad that the supreme court is actually able to have a voice -- sorry. i'm really nervous. where you can hear what the supreme court justices are saying. i was upset that justice roberts
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was saying that women should be held to the standard of north korea and china's health care system. and i just think that -- that's what he thinks of half of america that we should be held to a dictator standard to what a woman actually -- her health should be attainable just to a north korea dictator standard and everything. let's not forget he put people up against poles and shoots them and has them arrested right in their homes and where they work and stuff and they're never seen again. for justice roberts to say that women should be held to that type of health care standard is very wrong. i think he should actually step down. i think every american woman,
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whether or not you're republican, democrat, progressive, or liberal, should ask for his resignation. host: ok. that's michelle there in lockport, pennsylvania. john, republican line. caller: thank you for having me on this morning. i want to go back a couple -- i can't understand these people that call in. you can't be that ignorant. the one guy says can't we have exemptions for religion to kill your kid? ask me what religion would give you an exemption to kill your kid, you know what i mean, unless you're part of the church of satan? i don't get what society owe mior -- sotomayor is saying, they're brain dead after 15 or 20 weeks, that they're considered brain dead. what makes her some kind of scientist that knows that these children are brain dead?
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do you know what i mean? this is ridiculous. they are not trying to abolish abortion. they're trying to tell you you have a point that you can have -- after so many weeks. so the media is out there, just like the written house thing. yeah, the mom brought them over with a gun. you have to lie about everything. there's only a couple countries that allow abortion after so many weeks. you know what countries they are, pedro? do you know which ones they are? host: you tell me. caller: china, north korea, and the united states. boy, that's good company, isn't it? host: ok. that's john there in pennsylvania. when it comes to the omicron variant, "the new york times," one of their lead stories on why it wasn't found detected earlier in the united states -- the story adding it was on wednesday that american officials announced scientists found a california patient that recently returned from south africa. canada already adent find six cases. -- identified six cases.
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minnesota, colorado, new york, and hawaii had one. and a second case also found -- found in california. indicating there are more, almost certainly lurking in the u.s., according to science. asking the question why the variant wasn't detected sooner, there are various explanations including travel patterns and stringent delay requirements. there are blind spots and delays in the country genomic sequences. that was picked up by "the new york times." the president announcing a new effort, not only on this variant but covid overall. one of the things he talked about from cnbc, won't expand the vaccine mandates to fight those things but one of the things he did talk about was the vaccination process, particularly when it comes to the booster shot. and here's part of the portion from the president yesterday.
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president biden: we're expanding our national booster campaign to provide booster shots to all eligible adults. our docs and the scientists believe that people who get a booster shot are more protected than ever from covid-19. i was just told -- a question i got to ask and i've been meaning to ask for a long time, whether or not it increases the resistances of a variant that's being dealt with but it also is -- it is stronger. it not only just raises the total, but it's stronger, makes things more powerful in terms of resisting. and the center for control and prevention, the c.d.a. -- c.d.c., the food and drug administration, the f.d.a., recommends all adults, all adults get a booster shot when it's time. but here's the deal. more than about 100 million are eligible for boosters. but haven't gotten the booster
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shot yet. folks, if you're over the age of 18 and you got vaccinated before june 2, six months has gone by. go get your booster now. host: again, more of that available at our website at c-span.org. now temporarily on our app, c-span now, we offer streaming video of events you can see on the various networks. they are there for a short amount of time. you can joan load it -- you can download it now. the c-span now app. henry on our independent line, dunkirk, maryland. henry from dunkirk, maryland, hello. one more time. ok. we'll go to john. john in warwick, new york. you're up. caller: good morning. i'm calling in reference to the plight of the disabled american
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veterans. host: john, are you there? caller: yes, i'm here. hello. hello. host: ok. i think i may have a little bit of a transmission problem, folks. if you can put the speaker up. john in warwick, new york. caller: good morning. this is john in warwick. can you hear me? host: are you there, john? caller: yes, i am. i am calling about the plight of the disabled veteran here in the united states of which i am one and the failed veterans hospital system. i for one can attest to the fact that their motto, delayed, deny, hope you die is truth. the men and women who are waiting for elected surgery currently are the thousands and thousands. to try to get through to any of these hospitals nationwide of which i think the last

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