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thank you for giving us your time today. you said, stop seeing this as a ukraine problem. there will always be a belarus or syria or ukraine problem if the putin problem is not dealt with. guest: it is important to understand that we are talking about putin's problem and he is causing problems in belarus, venezuela, and many african countries. we do not have to look for more evidence but just listening to his own words. 15 years ago in munich at the security conference, he made a very clear statement about his intentions. he talked about a return to the time of the influence. he claims that russia would be entitled to control not only

republics, but also a return to its dominant position in eastern europe. and since no one wanted to believe him, he followed up with his promise. in 2008, he attacked the republic of georgia. six years after that, eight years ago in 2014, he and next crimea -- he annexed crimea. also he appeared -- reappeared in many parts of the world. my doors arrived because of support from russia and we can see putin's military and oligarchs boosting activities

across the african continent. it is all about putin and we should recognize that putin is an existential threat not just for america or europe or ukraine, but to the very principle of the free world because he does not believe in self-determination and universal freedom. what he thinks should happen is division of the world between free and unfree and people like him are in their rights to exploit people they control and nobody should intervene with their criminal activities. host: you also wrote about what is going on. "sanctions must come now before putin invades again. if we do not call his bluff, it is not a bluff at all." talk about his approach to dealing with russia and ukraine and how effective that might be. guest: when we hear the word

sanctions, people get confused. sanctions have been implement it eight years ago and they never worked. there are sanctions that have been imposed on russia and crimea. they never touched the foundation of putin's power. if we look at the number of russian billionaires, it keeps increasing all the time. no matter what angela merkel told us about europe's united position against russian aggression, what matters to putin is the amount of russian gas and it doubled in 2014. we have to make sure that putin

recognizes that the price of further aggression, the cost could be too high for him. it is not just making threats. it is about making laws that will convince him that america and europe our series. even if we are not ready to implement sanctions against russia and his oligarchs and the russian financial system, it should be put in a bill that will trigger automatically if he does this or that. right now, there is a big talk but there is very little to convince putin that the cost of his aggression will be prohibited. host: democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independent (202) 748-8002.

it was yesterday that both the russian diplomat and ambassador and the american ambassador to the united nations, i want to play what she had to say about the situation and get your response to it. [video clip] >> in all of these talks, our messages have been clear and consistent. we seek the path of peace, we seek the path of dialogue. we do not want confrontation. but we will be decisive, swift, and united should russia further invade ukraine. we continue to believe there is a diplomatic path out of the crisis caused by russia's military buildup. we are working to pursue diplomacy in every possible venue. but we also know that diplomacy will not succeed in an atmosphere of threat and military escalation.

that is why we have brought this situation before the security council today. the united states has been clear , if this is truly about russia's security concerns, we are offering them an opportunity to address these concerns at the negotiating table. the test of russia's good faith in the coming days and weeks is whether they will come to that table and stay at that table until we reach an understanding. if they refuse to do so, the world will know why and who is responsible. host: that was the ambassador to the united nations talking about the u.s.'s approach. what do you think of that approach? guest: it is good to hear that now instead of saying if putin, they say if he further invades because that is a correct statement. putin has invaded ukraine

already. i am not sure that putin is impressed because the american administration is still talking about some mythical russian security concerns. no one is threatening russia. thinking that baltic states could represent any threats to russian security is nonsense. it is russia that is threatening all of these countries by invading the republic of georgia and ukraine. it proves that eastern european that have been suffering under occupation for more than four day kids -- four decades, they rushed to nato to have an umbrella. hearing these outcries in russian media, which is totally under government control and listening just to get an idea of what is being told to people in

russia, missiles from ukraine to russia could be a huge threat to russia's security is absolute nonsense.

if he crosses the demarcation line and pushes into ukraine, it will be major conventional war in europe since world war ii and it will lead to massive casualties on both sides. host: as far as the strongest hand that the u.s. could play, what would that look like? guest: you could look at great britain. the foreign minister, she made a very strong statement about going after russian oligarchs and their illicit wealth in the u.k. and it continues in moscow. they are shouting, you hear outcries and threats to great

britain and america has more leverage. if america decides to join great britain and push european allies to announce immediate sanctions, i am not saying do it now, but to make clear that any aggressive act from putin will immediately trigger sanctions, not new consultations, not debates on how we do that because the democratic process is long and putin knows that. they are not going to turn back because of sanctions. right now, it is time to announce a very clear package of sanctions that will help putin personally, his oligarchs, and the most vital part of putin's economy. i say his economy because it is all about oil and gas and natural resources.

it is unfortunate that russia, a country that is known for its brilliant, is reduced -- known for its brilliance is reduced to a petrol-dependent state. the new initiative is an -- the renew democracy initiative is an organization i founded in 2017 after very important elections in 2016 and donald trump and the election that brought two very unpopular candidates to contest the presidency. i joke that it was amazing that two candidates, hillary clinton and donald trump had a combined rating of 20%. i thought that americans had to recognize the value of democracy because it seems to me that many

things have been taken for granted and i wanted to share my experience with people like me to point out the danger of both sides.

host: the youngest world chess champion in the history. gary kasparov our guest. a tweet from a viewer who says nato will do nothing because european countries need russian oil and natural gas. caller: -- guest: that's what we hear every night on tucker

carlsen. let's start with russia oil and gas. host: there's no pipeline that could take this amount of gas with european market. europe has leverage. europe did nothing. it killed potential projects that could replace russian gas. german decision to end the use of nuclear energy, nuclear plans

after the fukushima disaster in japan increased this independence -- this dependence. as for america and ukraine there's big talk. trump attempted to get some dirt on biden for political support. what america is defending ukraine. talking about political support, it's the world order that secured peace in europe since 1941. the violation is it's not just about ukraine. it's about peace.

i want to hear what the people saying they can sacrifice taiwan. we are watching very closely what's happening there and learning. it's about sending a message to all dictators that they will be met but decisive response led by the united states. it's unfortunate that four american administrations back in 2007 in munich. otherwise i thought they could act much earlier. what we know from history while dealing with dictators, that every day of us delaying decisions, of us not demonstrating so simply put the price up. the price goes up and if we lose

this battle today, then next will be test for nato countries and i already here noises that why should we fight for countries that we cannot find on the map. but the end of nato turns america into a paper tiger. america enjoys global economic dominance because dollar as a reserve currency. it's relatively strong and america's role in the world's being recognized. if you think you can do america first and ignore the responsibilities to be part of the global solutions around the planet. a weakening america means eventually you will have problems both economic and political at home.

guest: it's not clear whether putin will attack. i wonder if putin knows himself. when you listen to the russian foreign minister, they also don't know. the russian propaganda machine which is 24/7. they've been attacking for sovereign nation. >> the committee will come to order we are considering nominations to be the director of the office of management and budget and the deputy director of the omb.