on the 2023 budget request and a house oversight subcommittee discusses the impact of banning certain books in schools and public libraries. speaker nancy pelosi also holds her public briefing. that is all available to watch at c-span.org. host: this morning, we discussed

the biden administration's border policy with lou correa and later tom mcclintock joined us to talk ordered security and the u.s. economy. washington journal is next. ♪ first, it was blamed on inflation, then on the russia- ukraine war. yesterday, house democrats laid much of the blame for the rise in gas prices on oil companies. little price relief is in sight. it is thursday, april 7, 2022. welcome to washington journal. we will ask you who you think is to blame for the crisis. republicans, (202) 748-8001.

democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. we welcome your text messages, (202) 748-8003. tell us your name and where you are texting from it. on facebook, twitter, instagram, you can post your thoughts. in this first half-hour, we will play you some of that lengthy hearing from yesterday, which c-span covered. we will also look at some news, including what is coming up today for judge ketanji brown jackson to be on the u.s. supreme court. first off, a look at gas prices. it is way up there. guess that he is what we have been using to track prices.

this looks at the 18 month trend going back to november 2020 at a low of two dollars and nine cents a gallon. now, it is $4.11 nationwide. many of you and california know that that price has gone even higher. yesterday, and political, the headline, democrats accused oil industry of living off americans, while gop blames biden policies. democrats tore into oil company executives wednesday at a hearing, while republicans tried to pin blame on joe biden's green energy push. one said, this is a latest attempt to shield themselves from anger over the surge in

pump prices. the jump has fed inflation in recent months. democrats pointed to the market ks that has sent crude oil prices soaring above $130 a barrel. we will get to your calls, your comments on who is to blame for the high prices. (202) 748-8001, republicans. democrats, (202) 748-8000. all others, (202) 748-8002. frank pallone of new jersey. >> i heard mr. griffith say in his opening that we are dealing with the ukraine crisis, but the reality is that during the crisis, you have record profits, stock buybacks.

the american people want to know why they are paying such high prices, giving your industry lavished tax breaks, while your profits are being turned over to shareholders. please state your net profits from last year, but it is a matter of public record. if you do not tell me, i will tell you. what was exxon's net profit last year? >> $23 billion after a loss of $22 million in 2020. >> i sent the announcement on monday that your profits for the first quarter of 2022 could be a size $9 billion. bps profit? >> approximately 7.6 billion dollars after the 2020 loss of $20 billion. >> chevron? >> $15.6 billion after a loss of

$5.5 million the prior year. >> shall tackle -- shell? >> $19 million. >> devens not profits? >> $2.8 billion. >> pioneer? >> 2.1 billion dollars after the largest loss the year before. >> there is nothing wrong with an honest profit, but as gas prices have soared, your companies have funneled buckled profits back to shareholders. the six companies here today have announced approximately 45 billion dollars in share repurpose programs in addition to dividends issued to

shareholders last year. that is a lot of money that is coming at the expense of american people who need you to increase production, not shareholder wealth. host: the wall street journal says oil executives deny price gouging. industry leaders blame russia war, supply shortages. they write that the committee's republicans sought to place blame on president biden, including his decision to impose a temporary pause on oil and gas leases on federal land and his revocation of a permit for the keystone xl pipeline to carry more oil from canada. this tweet says oil companies cap production in 2020 due to covid causing a drop in demand for gas. not that people are driving

more, companies realize they can make use profits without spending money. this one says, high prices are due to demand. we just got back from a road trip. highways are packed. yuma, arizona is danny on the republican line. caller: this is common sense. this is joe and the democrats' scheme for us to buy electric cars. down here, gas was $1.80 per gallon when trump was in office. this is their strategy for us to buy electric cars. common sense. host: on electric cars, usa today says gm and honda to codevelop new line of electric

vehicles. john, new jersey, republican line. caller: it is obvious that when joe biden ran, he said he was going to kill the oil and gas industry. he shut down pipelines the first day. what he did not expect was to have these catastrophic issues in russia and ukraine, which is what a good leader is supposed to anticipate. the testimony in the senate shows that democrats how they hate business, the way they always attack producers of jobs. it is incredible why anyone

would vote for a democrat. they hate success. host: michigan, kathy, democrats line. caller: i have to be brief. i drive a prius. i am happy with the car overall, but i remember stopping in traverse city when bill clinton was in office, filling up in the car, heading out to a town 20 miles a way, gas was $.98 a gallon. people need to learn to conserve. i ride my bike a lot and walk rate lot, these huge profits that the cost of people traveling.

i am going to travel to work, 18 miles. a lot of people i work with in the school system can barely afford food, much less gas. people should not be making profits when other people are destitute, homeless, so on. host: how much are you paying for a gallon of gas and --? caller: $3.99. that was somewhere on 31. here in petoskey, it is always the most expensive in northern michigan. $4.09, $4.06 k gallon. we should not have people making

billions of dollars at the cost of people suffering financially. host: john in california, republican line. caller: make sure you read your volume. go ahead with your comments. caller: can you hear me now? the democratic party is all about control in any way that hurts the middle class. that is what they are doing with gas prices. trump has independently freed your producer to the world. biden has cut it off. i pay $6.10 a gallon. host: some states have

eliminated their gas tax. has california considered doing that? caller: they are considering giving me $400 back. like i told my representative, lower income people will spend that money within the week on groceries or whatever and they are still in the same spot, plus we have a new tax coming in california. the democrats are all about control and do not care who they hurt. they see our open borders to the south and do not care. come november, they will know what the american people really think. host: morgan griffith of west

virginia said that the blame falls on the biden administration itself. >> since president biden took office, the prices of crude oil and many other commodities have risen to the highest level in more than a decade. as a direct result of president biden's energy agenda, prices have risen. on day one, the administration made clear it would shut down energy production by canceling the keystone pipeline. later, the president impose a moratorium on development on federal lands and increased pressure from regulators. he has no plans of stopping his assault on the energy industry, even while gas prices skyrocket, president biden continues to announce new taxes designed to shut down domestic production.

one of the first actions was the ban on new oil and gas is on public lands, signaling the desire to restrict growth of domestic energy and oil production. they made it clear that federal aid reach is not open for business. it is impossible to generate confidence or investments in production today when future production is clearly being blocked. host: from stephen in michigan, this text saying i feel it is time to end of subsidies to the oil companies. they could not give an answer as to whether they would reduce stock buybacks. jennifer says, after listening to the hearing, it is 100% companies on purpose withholding so they can gouge. stephen says sellers mostly to

blame but a lot of other factors at play. this text saying it is all a design of biden's terrible policies. sean, north carolina. read your volume there or if everybody gets confused. and go ahead with your question or comment. we will move on to rick in napa, idaho, republican line. caller: good morning. bumper oil.com, when you take that in, take in bumper oil costs. when president biden and the democratic party shut down keystone, we are now importing oil from other countries. cargo ships have to refuel.

bunker oil costs 619 does a ton and comes out to $.52 a gallon. we bring in cargo ships, now you have shipping and handling costs apply. you add one dollar to the fuel that president biden and the democratic party oppose. now let us turn on keystone pipeline, watch cosco backwards. the whole puzzle, we have a vote coming up. the democrats are going to create the illusion that the republican party is the downfall of our environment, which is false. the keystone pipeline all controlled by a computer. there is no carbon footprint. contractors going to have to build, but there is no carbon

monoxide being emitted. democrats trying to create the illusion that the republican party -- we have a presidential vote coming up and if you cannot build a --, come to my garage. you can see what governors are charging for fuel tax. host: robert, henderson, nevada. caller: i do not understand. we are fighting each other, democrat, republican, democrat, republican. once upon a time, they could talk to each other. that is the biggest problem with our oil situation. dimock has led to republicans. republicans want to blame

democrats. we need a shield on both. host: ulster park, new york, stephen, democrats line. caller: i want to echo what the last caller set. my republican friends, wake up. trump's first executive order was to reauthorize the keystone pipeline. in four years, it was never built. no company would build it. it is not practical to refine the dirtiest oil on the planet. it is not oil. it is tar sand. no american or canadian company will provide insurance for the project. oil companies will not drill.

stop being duped by these multibillion-dollar corporations gouging you. please wake up, stop watching fox news, which is fueled by the american petroleum lobby. wake up. the democrats are not your enemies. these corporations gouging you are. host: this is the headline from abc news -- the oil ceos testify before congress amid skyrocketing gas prices. ceo of chevron testifying, saying that the company does not control the oil and gas prices and says the company has no tolerance for price gouging. >> we understand the hardship that rising energy costs have posed for so many. through higher prices at the pump to increased rates for heating and electricity, as the global landscape continues to

evolve, we are focused on doing our part to provide affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy. i want to be clear about where chevron stands. we do not control the market price of crude oil or natural gas, nor of refined products like gasoline and diesel fuel. we have no tolerance for price gouging. relax last week about releases from the strategic petroleum reserve, president biden stressed the critical role companies like ours have two play in increasing supply. we are committed to doing our part to contribute to this role. we are pursuing responsible development while also investing in a lower carbon future. host: who is to blame for higher gas prices. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000.

independents, (202) 748-8002. rich, greensburg, pennsylvania, republican line. caller: i am not exactly sure who is to blame. if democrats are concerned, they should start an investment fund. they can buy the stock of say devon energy. they can buy that company up, get the board seats, and take control of the company and take it down. i am so dismayed over the full outrage by these congressional guys that pontificate, lay it on to these executives like it is their fault. why aren't we concerned about

the price of everything? why not the price of labor? why can't we have two tentative contracts against the union? host: richard, independent line, new york. caller: i think we can lay the blame on all of our congressmen, senators, current president. solutions have been out there. we have oil reserves here. they do not want to drill. maybe what should happen is maybe the president and speaker of the house when they get in their limousine or private plane, maybe they should have to take the cash at pocket so they can see what is happening with rising prices.

do we feed our family or pay our rent? host: kathleen, pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: i am so happy to see the testimony of those oil executives, because i have suspected all along that it was profit that was driving the prices. the person from exxon admitted it. they asked what their profit was and they said $23 billion after a loss of $22 billion the prior year. what do we surmise from that? they are making up for lost time. during the pandemic, people did not go to work, did not go on vacation. companies lost money. as far as the buybacks go, that is typical. it lands into the pockets of the shareholders. as far as the keystone pipeline

goes, it would not even be operative until 2023. i agree with the person that the fed, the government officials, they get into limousines, have them pay and maybe they will understand that people trying to decide whether to buy food or gas to get to work. host: ape sugar program this morning as the house is coming in at 9:00 eastern and 9:30 on c-span2. yesterday, the headline house votes to hold its giving out in contempt of congress. navarro and dance giving out in contempt of congress for not complying with subpoenas issued for the january 6 capitol dry.

on the u.s. senate side, both later today. headline, senators expected to confirm ketanji brown jackson today. that vote is expected sometime over at 2:00 eastern. mitch mcconnell talking about judge jackson yesterday and his opposition. >> the key question is this -- where does judge jackson come down? where does her record land along this spectrum? before the nominee was announced, president biden gave a troubling hint. he said whoever he nominated would have to "have an expansive view of the constitution."

acknowledge rights that are founding documents leave unsaid and guarantee specific outcomes in certain categories. the president promised he would only dominate the judicial activist for the job. i could only support judge jackson if her record and testimony suggested president biden actually made a steak, that he had accidentally chosen the nominee that was not the kind of activist he promised, but judge jackson's record and testimony suggests she is exactly the kind of liberal activist the president promised. host: back to more of your calls on gas prices, linda is in virginia, independent line. caller: this is linda from the appalachian mountain coalfields.

morgan is our representative. he is not from west virginia. host: thank you for correcting me. caller: as far as the oil goes, there is plenty of blame, but the democrats are in charge. it is their policies, their programs. they have to accept it and we have to live with it, but rather times are ahead. this is a great country. we will continue in these mountains. come visit. you are not too far. host: robert is in east hampton, connecticut. republican line. caller: i have a unique idea. why don't they have the price for oil companies be $2 a

gallon? they can sell the rest on the world market and make plenty of money. i blamed biden. he did the war on the fossil field industry and everything is done to x -- to discourage pumping more. host: the maritimes, big oil left to explain crisis. they write that the average price for a gallon of gas is roughly $1.30 higher than a year ago. democrats have called on oil executives to suspend dividend increases and stock buybacks. they said constituents were suffering and increasingly upset with oil companies over higher prices. jerry, tennessee, democrats line. caller: the thing about these

gas prices is a lot of this is we have 7 million people back to work that were not in work when biden took office. most people get in because to go to work. wages are up, gas prices are up, there is high demand for staff. there are so many jobs. everybody who goes back to you to work is driving a car. gas prices go up because people are working. this economy is not in bad shape. inflation is up, that you have got all these people working. you've got a pandemic, people in food lines. thank goodness for what you have got, because it is going to go up more.

in tennessee, there are new building permits. when that kind of thing is going on, things are going to go. [indiscernible] there --host: there is more ahead here on washington journal. up next, the first of two lawmakers will talk about the proposal to lift title 42. first up is lou correa, congressman from california. later, another california congressman, republican tom mcclintock, will be with us. ♪

host: california democratic congressman lou correa is getting his third term, serving on the judiciary and homeland security committees and agriculture as well. >> let us start on the christian front and the tc's decision to

lift this title 42 immigration policy. remind us what the policy is in place for. you are in support. tell us why. rep. correa: let us start at the beginning, refugee policy, immigration policy. we have refugees from all around the world knocking at our door and other nations. central america, africa, the middle east, afghanistan, ukraine, russia. how do you address the refugee crisis? article 42 says you cannot come in because of health reasons. the challenge here is that it is a random weapon.

hume start with immigrants and have exempted ukrainian refugees. this is not the way to do business. a better way is to process refugees, but to randomly say one group is ok and another is not is not the way to do business. host: in your view, title 42 was always meant to be temporary? rep. correa: i think article 42 was used under the prior administration and this administration to address the issue of refugees. there are other ways we can do this. it is not an america issue. it is a worldwide issue. poland is taking in refugees from ukraine, mexico from ukraine as well. this is a worldwide issue. we have to work with our friends

around the world and other nations to make sure that refugees are safe, resettled, and able to be productive. host: let me ask you about richard burr's pushback to the cdc. he asked the biden administration for science behind title 42 decision. in that letter to the cdc, the senator said, i believe i understand the administrations politics driving the decision, but i do not believe there is adequate science that would allow such a decision to be made. cdc assesses risk of transmission in mexico at level three. all countries in central america are at or above level three, except those that they recommend u.s. travelers entirely avoid

due to lack of information. your thoughts on his argument? rep. correa: senator burke makes some good points. why would you apply 42 to one set of refugees and not the ukrainians? they are both going to mexico. mexico, it is a little known secret, they are bearing in light of the brunt of the refugee challenge. my directive is that to address 42 from a scientific but look at the challenge as a whole. when you suspend 42, the administration is going to allow a bigger comprehensive policy in terms of addressing the refugee crisis, but to do it with 42 i think is random. whether it is scientific or not,

get his being used randomly. host: (202) 748-8001, republicans. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. text us at (202) 748-8003. you touched on this in fewer opening remarks. it is reflected from a headline in the new york times, ukrainians join migrants that mexico's border with the u.s.. as many as 2000 have made their grieving complete u.s. border. it is not just ukrainians, but also a surge of patients that the u.s.-mexico border. do you think immigrants from mexico and central america are being treated the same as newer arrivals, ukrainians? rep. correa: that is my argument

that not all refugees are being treated equally. remember, afghan refugees, remember that war? we still have refugees from afghanistan we cannot process fast enough. we need to figure out what our refugee policy is make sure it is defective, deals with the law quickly. i was in mexico two weeks ago, coming from central sukkot, landed at the airport. i was greeted by two ukrainian refugees with ukrainian flakes saying, welcome. they were there to welcome ukrainian refugees in mexico and preparing them to move them to the border so they could ask for refugee status. the last couple of days, in

mexico and in tijuana, a tent city has been set up at an athletic field to handle all the refugees from ukraine. this is before russian refugees begin to arrive, but also understand this phenomena of ukrainians and russians coming to our southern border has been going on for about two years. this is why i am saying this cannot be a partisan fight. this is an american fight. have to ask ourselves, are we open to refugees or not? our grandfathers, who came to this country, were blessed america was open. today, we have to make sure our policies are sound. you talk to the u.s. chamber of commerce, businesses closed because they do not have workers. we have an opportunity to figure

this out so america comes out a winner, that this has two b democratic as well as republican solution. the last time we had meaningful immigration reform in this country, it was that great california, ronald reagan who stepped up and did the right thing. host: reporting on the impact of title 42. we had this during the pump administration, continuing during the biden administration, they write that through february of this year, 1.7 million expulsions have been carried out, 1.2 million during the biden administration. during the top administration, 83% of migrant encounters at the border led to expulsion, compared to 53% so far. what changes one title 42 gets lifted? rep. correa: that is key.

if you cannot lift 42, you have to have a program in place to execute. if you think about that central american migrant at the border, there is $10,000 per person to smuggle them to get to the border. they sell everything in their life to move forward. it up a of the women, by the time to get to the border, are either raped or sexually assaulted. it is inhumane, the system that is in place. i would propose that these refugees are able to apply for refugee status in their home country, but it has to be a meaningful process that refugees understand that there is hope for somebody to look at their case. this can be part of the solution. we have to work with mexico, other central american countries and other nations to address

this issue. this is not just america. it is an international phenomenon. host: richie in malden, massachusetts. independent line. caller: you are always talking about immigration. i am tired of hearing the same old stuff every day. we need people to come to do the work we cannot do. it is ridiculous. let them stay in their own country. my city i live in now, i am the minority. i think i am in mexico, an african country.

host: congressman korea, particularly the labor shortage, how bad is it in your view? how would immigration improve. rep. correa: the immigration issue and the inflation issue, clearly, we have disruption in our production system. ukraine and russia are aware a lot of the world's grain is grown. they are not going to be doing that this season. i get phone calls from farm workers in california saying, we need workers. i get calls from foot processors in southeastern states, saying, we need workers. the local starbucks is closed half the time because they do not have workers. we have to ask, do we want and

economy that continues to grow? we still need laborers to keep this economy humming. we talk about china, economic competition. forget them. focus on us. what is going to make us more productive? that is the economic motive. we have unemployment. we need workers. host: laura, spokane, washington, republican line. caller: hello. i am calling because i feel betrayed by biden and the democratic party regarding the border. the ukrainians are refugees. the others are coming here and it is causing the suffering,

death. we have human trafficking of children and fentanyl. we have laws. congress makes the laws. biden is supposed to enforce them. he is not. i consider that treason. this people have a country. we send them money. we are not a coldhearted nation. i really am not happy. rep. correa: you on 4 or 5 issues we could talk about for days, but let me say that we have laws. article 42 is being applied. ukrainians are refugees, but so are syrians, of kenny's. they are not getting the same treatment. central america, if you have an

ak-47 to your head, it does not matter if it is a russian soldier or a drug cartel soldier. you are a refugee, but what we need to do is make sure that this responsibility of refugee help is not just america. it is other nations working with us. right now, mexico is working with us in anyways. we need to come up with some good, solid solutions, solutions that help america. it is not about refugees. it is about americans. host: christine, rhode island, democrats line. caller: let meet leave my television. i have a question for the representative.

could you explain about the migrants that traveled from -- they are haitian and why did this happen? also, could you explain what is happening right in the west indies -- haiti, the dominican republic? haiti is being held by cartels and gang members. people cannot even stay safe in their homes. the refugees were sent back to haiti, where they never lived. i want the truth from you and am glad you are on this morning. this is a serious situation, but it seems like it is just passed

from president to president. nobody really wants to settle the situation so they can use it against each other, but the problem needs to be solved and also the republican party needs to be solved. they are imploding from the inside out. ukraine, just take a. it is all starting to happen. rep. correa: you have -- you hit the issue right on the head. the world right now is a dangerous place. haiti, you do not have a russian attack, but you do have bad people hurting people, a lot of people fearing for their lives. same thing in central america, in syria. when it comes to latin america, central america, we as a country

needed to place more attention as to what is going on south of the u.s.. we focus on asia, europe and never quite looked at our own backyard. this has been going on for 40 or 50 years. america has to delete. we have to lead and ensure that we address the issue of corruption or economic development and make sure we have a system south of the border that is a place that people can live in and prosper. this is not a democrat or republican issue. this is an american issue. we have got to work with our colleagues across the aisle. host: pat, republican line, south carolina.

caller: i want to clarify something. every democrat that you hear talking about immigration, the first thing their mouths -- when our ancestors came over here, the government did not eat them, did not give them phones, did not provide housing. they had to have a sponsor. they had to get a job. they worked to get a better life. what our government is doing now is just throwing money out the door to every immigrant. you are not taking care of american citizens. i cannot get on a plane and fly. my government is putting illegals and flying them all over the country. do not be hypocritical.

standup and take it. i blame the democrats completely for this mess. rep. correa: thank you for those comments. there is 11 million undocumented workers in this country, all gainfully employed. they would like nothing more than a green card. that is the path to the american dream so they can continue to work. this folks are not looking for handouts. if you really are concerned about that, remember right now that there is no door to coming to america. it will take you 30, 40, 50 years to get a green card. these folks are part of the economy. give them a shot. coach on the plains, i have not

seen that. -- folks on planes, i have not seen that. host: let me ask you about this news on the senate side. from axios, bids to block lifting title 42, they report that five democratic and six republican senators will introduce a bill that would prevent the biden administration from lifting title 42 without a detailed plan in place to stop and expected surge of migrants. rep. correa: it is not the issue of a bill having a chance. the issue is, are we ready to lift 42? i do not like 42, but it is

being used as a stopping thing at the border, that is not its proper use. we need to make sure that plan is in place to address the refugee issue. i would agree with those 11 members of the u.s. senate. the plan has to be there, not because we want to keep 42, but because we need a plan. this challenge is not going away. the first thing to do is make sure we work with our allies, neighbors around the world, and make sure we come up with a policy that enables these refugees to apply for status in their home country. another part of that solution is you cannot have everybody at the border. it is not safe. we want to see the administration show us their

plan. host: art, democrats line, ohio. caller: hello. it does not make sense to make an argument that people are being dog and killed in the streets compared with economic refugees. in this country, we have the highest crime rate in the world. i am afraid to go down in my own neighborhood now. where are we going to go? we will be like katie. -- like haiti. host: christina, illinois, independent line. caller: on title 44, we are a country of immigrants. my mother's family got here in

the late 1600s, my father's the late 1800s. at the borders, saying, you cannot come in, after covid, we have so many people lost and jobs to fill. i do not understand the hatred and the xenophobia that people are experiencing today. we need to open our hearts as well as our minds and our borders not to everybody -- we have to make sure we do not have criminals coming in --, but that is what my comment was. you have anything to add? rep. correa: yes. thank you for those comments. you and the prior caller, when you talk about there is no room

for other people, that is the argument that has been made for 200 years. am not going to address that, but the u.s. chamber says we need workers. population growth in terms of birthrate is below 2%, which means our population is declining. the only thing keeping us up is immigration. look at japan. host: anne, tennessee, republican line. caller: i keep hearing it is 3% unemployment. that is a false figure. people are only counted plan they are looking for a job. once you quit looking, you are not counted. we have 11 million people sitting at home not working. they are going to bring people in the do not speak the language. we have a housing shortage.

people coming across our overweight, diabetic. you are only a refugee wing you come from the next country, not when you come from halfway around the world because you think america is going to feed you and has you. america is a charitable country. we send money everywhere. we cannot help other countries if we cannot help ourselves. right now, we are $31 trillion in debt. throwing out so much money during the pandemic, that is why people can sit at home. we need to get back to work, shut down the border so we know criminals are not coming across. rep. correa: we are a nation of immigrants.

we have always been a nation of immigrants. yet, we resent immigrants. the facts are that we need immigrants. we need to continue to be the best nation in the world. 20% of doctors today are foreign-born. our engineers, our technicians. if we want to be the best of the best, we need a skilled workforce. a lot of those workers are foreigners. let us stick to american laws, enforce u.s. laws, and make sure we have predictability. i want america to remain the greatest country, the strongest economy. immigrants are a part of that solution. host: lou correa represents the 46th district, southern california, has served for three terms.

we appreciate you joining us this morning. ahead, we will hear from republican congressman from california, mcclintock, top republican on the judiciary committee subcommittee. people talk about the ending of title 42 and the expected surge at the southern border, but first, more of your phone calls. if you want to talk about immigration, gas prices were content to brown jackson, (202) 748-8001, republicans. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. ♪

"washington journal" continues host:. it is our open forum. the houses coming in for 9:00 eastern. go ahead and start dialing here. (202) 748-8001, republicans.

democrats, (202) 748-8002. western allies further russia. president biden announcing additional u.s. sanctions on russia. here he is. [video clip] i am sure using the pictures and outside of keys. yiv. >> civilians executed in cold blood. bodies dump in mass graves. left for all the world to see unapologetically. there is nothing less happening than major war crimes. responsible nations have to come together to hold these perpetrators accountable. again, with our allies and our we are going.

to continue. folks, steps we have already taken are to shrink russia's product by double digits this year alone. our sanctions are ready to -- the next 15 years of russia's economic gains. we have cut off semi conductors, quantum technology that they need to compete in the 21st century. we are going to stipend the economy to grow for years to come. foes, this is the united states. we are taking additiona --

folks, this is the united states. first-come united states will impose full blogging sanctions on spear bank, the largest restitution in russia. we're walking down -- locking down any accounts, any funds that the banks hold in the united states. they will not be able to touch any of the money, they will not be able to do any business here. i'm going to sign and executive order that is going to ban any business in russia. host: let's get to your calls. on the independent line it is stockton, california. mike, go ahead. caller: i am just wanting to

talk about --. we do not have enough workers. we want these college grads. i know a lot of college african-americans who never can get a job in the field. there is hundreds of them. they hire from people from other countries. then you got the low payment jobs. people come across the border to still the jobs. it is all just a joke. african-americans have to deal with the racism.

you got the motorcycle rally up there. there isn't an african-american $500 around. n 500 miles a round. it is a serious problem. i don't care if we have a million jobs. nobody is going to do nothing about it. that is all i wanted to say. host: i appreciate that. damon on the line, democrats. caller: good morning. come on, if somebody can show me that is true.

she actually blamed all of the problems on democrats. let me remind some people during the 1990's it was commerce taking advantage of laborers here who are coming over. it was all right when businesses were making money off of cheap labor and they brought them over here. it was not democrats who did that, it was republicans agape tax incentives to businesses to move overseas as well. i get upset when i hear the propaganda that comes out of these people's mouths. i am not for open borders but what i heard from that woman is there no facts here at all. host: let's hear from sal.

republican line. caller: the caller in south carolina is 100% correct. i came here when i was seven years old with my family. my family had to go through a background check. it took years for my mother and father to come with me, my brothers and my sisters. my grandfather had to go to a background check in the united states, make sure he had no record, no nothing. they have to support us because the government would not support us. today, today if you're illegal, i have somebody that i know that overstayed their visa. when he goes into the hospital his visits are $10 no matter what he gets it done, colonoscopy, cancer, whatever.

his visits is $10. medicare, medicaid, social security, we are going to be bankrupt. we have millions of illegals come here and they get public funding. now they are able to get cell phones again. host: it is open forum. later, a hearing on the president's defense budget. the defense secretary lloyd austin well testify. that is coming up this morning on 930 time eastern. it will be over on c-span. it will also re-aired tonight here on c-span at 930. the headline this morning from roll call about what is set ahead in the u.s. senate. sinister to confirm judge

jackson -- senate sent to confirm judge jackson. she is expected to become the first black woman and the first public defender of the high court. that photo expected this afternoon in the u.s. senate. in oklahoma, barbara is on the independent line. go ahead. caller: this is about the people who are coming over here illegally. i have a nephew who spent two terms over in afghanistan. he came home and he was pretty healthy. then about five or six years after, he got sick. he gained over 300 pounds. this guy is six foot and was always really slim. he gained 300 pounds and cannot

hardly walk. he cannot do anything. my sister and brother in law finally after about three years of trying to get him to see a veteran and into the hospital, they finally decided they will look at him. they did not know what was the matter with him. now i know what it is. it was because he was sleeping near the burn pits during the winter there because it was cold. they do not know what to do about this. my nephew gets $1200 a month. an illegal can get $3000 a month. you tell me how that is ok? i am upset about it. i am from california, i worked with him. when i work for ibm they close

down it was about a year and a half before it was completely closed. host: this is the hill. a report from the hill saying senate democrats are in no sign on the $10 million in coronavirus aid. senators were hoping will be quick passage after a partisan group announced they have clinched a deal. as republicans are using the eight as a abney for litigating the biting administrations recently announced decision to end a trump era immigration policy. republicans home in on immigration as a top issue failing to take back the house and the senate. in tennessee, republican line.

caller: good morning. i think that is something completely missing with the democratic party. a lack of common sense and working across the aisle. i would like to know, does he think the migrants are the answer to the labor crisis. why does the process have to be a secret? are they given a work visa? are there nonprofits giving them housing? why are the american people not told what the process is? why is it a secret? do they have the ability to take a job legally when they get here? i do have questions. i will let furthers to -- process to not be a seeker to

the american people. host: thanks for that. richard is on the line. caller: ok. the immigration system is a big problem in the united states. almost nobody in this country is "white". there are many jobs that americans feel they are to up to do. processing food and such jobs that need to be filled. it is a problem in this country, the labor.

we need workers. it is true. people coming in and need a good process to get citizenship and visas and such. this country does need workers. host: let's go to steve in maryland. democrats line. caller: the dysfunction of our legislative branch and government, which is covered by c-span everyday, a few days they are in session. i referred to as theater sponsored by c-span. we all know the legislative branch of our government is balk and paid for and is --bought and paid for. it is going to destroy the nation by bankrupting us all.

why do we keep addressing the same issues over again? such as the deficit, budget, health care, infrastructure, outsourcing, off shoring and immigration. outsourcing and offshore and passed by the legislative branch 30 years ago, designed by president clinton has proven to be a horrible policy. costing this country the ability to manufacture anything. putin brought that to the forefront. we no longer make anything in this country, let's be honest. if you think the legislative branch is going to fix any of this, you do not want enough c-span. it is complete dysfunction. enjoy the kabuki theater, sponsored by c-span. they should hand out awards to

senators who make us laugh throughout the year. in conclusion, relax. china will still be here providing jobs and programs. remember, c-span the legislative branch cannot find its way out of a wet april back with arrows pointing the way out -- wet paper bag pointing with arrows out. host: they write that turn on a television in the arguments have followed a pattern. united states have provoked russia to attack ukraine. joe biden, the u.s. president has fumbled the american withdraw from afghanistan. while an russian invasion has galvanized public vladimir putin

against western countries, it has had a different effect in india. in recent weeks, some indian newspapers hearing the wealth of liberals nudging prime ministers to take a tougher stance against putin. but on mainstream, talk shows and in the pages of magazines popular with modi's right wing base, a far larger already and -- audience has mostly been fire and fury directed to the united states. caller: about the immigration come all of these people coming over. i would like to see all of the democrats that are for all of the voters to offer the houses. i am sure a lot of them have more than one house. let them come and live with you. taxpayers are getting tired for

paying for these illegals. host: turn down your television, mute your volume. just listen to the phone when you call in. it is linda on the independent line. caller: yes, i love c-span. this is how you hear both sides of the stories. now on the border, we have green cards. people will pay not to work. they are paying not to work. that is what happened to this country. they opened up the border with

different diseases and stuff like that. now we have a very big problem. i congratulate you c-span for your programs. host: a couple of comments on social media on twitter. this one says undocumented immigrants do not qualify for any aid because you need to be a legal resident or citizen. the caller is right. they come for a job. buffalo, new york. it is kyle on the republican line. good morning. caller: i am neutral as

the parties go on this topic. you know, cheap labor, hiring. i hear people talk about jobs that americans are working. the gentleman talked about the meat packaging industry. it had one of the highest profits in decades, just last year and there were supposed to be a meet shortage. we have a lot of refugees coming in. i wonder sometimes how can they not go to other countries. i do not know why they send them here because buffalo is the poorest city in the nation. we are handing out all social programs to help them out. a gentleman from new york city talk about that.

of course, he took a lot of upstate money too. host: the immigrants you say who are coming to buffalo, do you know or they are coming from? caller: we had a recent influx from afghanistan. prior to that there was a portion from the middle east, iraq. then there was a good portion of sudan. i seen it over the last 20 years buffalo change as far as dynamics when it comes to the culture of the city. not like it is a bad thing. again, our money, taxpayers dollars are going to the people who need it the most. the gentleman from california talked about black employment. it is true. i do not know why some people are anti-black. all of us are doing a great job, most of us are educated.

only a small percent gives a bad name. they are going to hire someone who is illegal or is a immigrant and they come in and take a job. they give little easterners a tax break to open up stores in the 90's. i guarantee, if you look at the numbers of how many middle eastern corner stores, at least in this area you would be shocked. they keep tax breaks. both parties do it. host: those same tax breaks aren't offered to african-americans? caller: no they are not. that is the problem. they came over and took over the african communities. we used to have these but we could not get those type of loans. we had denying of the business loans. they take over the area. host: we will go to the democrats line.

caller: hello. good morning. i cannot believe the hypocrisy of the republican callers blaming everything on immigration when trump promised in july of 2016 he was going to show immigration papers. the second tax return they never materialized, he married to immigrants. he says all of this nonsense about invasion. what happens in texas? people get killed because of his rhetoric. the original sin against my people origins of africa has never been addressed to the fullest extent that the constitution promised us.

here it is 400 years later and we are still dealing with it. i am college educated. there's so much discrimination in this country that no one wants to address. the other thing, talking about all of the immigration, the people coming from ukraine. it is -- how people -- putin can run these people from their country. trump supporters complain about latinos and people from afghanistan and iraq. host: we will let you go. your phone sounded distorted. joe is on the line from illinois. hello. caller: thanks for taking the call. the congressman, what type of society do we offer these people? i have been walking this art for almost 60 years.

--earth for almost 60 years. we have infrastructure problems. the weather is ripping up the south. providing jobs is one thing. the previous caller said it best where you provide a good wage. i understand wages are lousy right now. you will people. it is proven true in st. louis. we offer a 3000 signing bonus but all of a sudden they say they do not have enough applicants. i do not want to make anyone rich. gusting to work that if you offer a living wage -- that does

seem to get people to work. if you offer a living wage that gets people to work. i mean i am trying to get a garage built and i can't get anything built under 40 grand. you know, housing cost and all of that factors in. they have to eat, work and have a place to live. host: this is a headline from the fort worth star-telegram. they had one, the texas drought is the worst in years. are we on the brink of widespread disaster. texas is in the worst condition since 111 one 9% of the state was in drought. it cost over $7 billion of crop and wildfires losses.

as of march 29, 88% of texas was in drought conditions, affecting 18.2 million texans, according to the u.s. drought monitor. 42% of the state is seeing extreme, or exceptional drought. in neighboring oklahoma, we hear from brad on the independent-minded. good morning. t line. caller: i want to say to all of your c-span watchers. until we get rid of the two-party system this system -- country is not going to get any better. i was a republican, i was a democrat and now i'm an independent because i can stand the parties appeared they are

not for this country. host: go ahead. caller: this country was founded on the premise that all men are created equal, right? the founding of this country, what that really meant was all white men are created equal. 100 years after the founding of this country, right? the french government gave the united states of america the statue of liberty. right? we have never really realized the goal that we are created equal. the radical conservative republicans, right? they are so -- i guess racist

that it is beyond comprehension. what they are trying to do is they are trying to go back to a time after the civil war when there was reconstruction. host: just a reminder, make sure you mute your volume when you call in to the program. there is more opportunity to do that lately have our ahead of the program. next up, we will be joined by california republican congressman, tom mcclintock. we will talk about the title 42 and other issues on immigration. there is more up next. . ♪

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host: tom mcclintock representing the fourth district. welcome. as you may have heard a lot of conversation about immigration, particularly the immigrations move our decisions to lift title 42 policy implemented by the trump administration, the last month of the trump administration. what is your bot on the bidens administration to do that? guest: they are saying that is their last line of defense. we have more than 2 million illegal aliens that are at our southern border since the administration took off. more than one million were admitted to our country. the other million were turned away. they expected two

see millions added to our country. in 32 days we will be admitting another wyoming. you know, california last year, based on their polling they admitted 14 million people from the caribbean aloneno civilizatr survived this magnitude of illegal migration. at some point, i think the democrats are going to have to explain to her how are our schools -- explain to us how our our schools better, hospitals, working families helped by letting labor market

higher cheap illegal labor? how is our social safety for americans made stronger by adding millions of people into this country? it makes no sense at all. that was the very policy since joe biden took office. host: part of what the cdc said that reasoning for the lifting of title 42 and to get your reaction, they say that after considering current health conditions and an increased availability to tools of finding covert director suspended the right of migrants in the united states is no longer necessary. that title 42. guest: it is a public health

measure concerning all kinds. whatever its purpose for justification, under this administration it is the last remaining tool that the border patrol has to defend our border. that is precisely what the border patrol officers told me time again when i visited the southern borders. host: the center for american progress said this. they said the decision to end title 42, the expunction policy is the right one. there is no scientific reasoning behind the order, did not protect the united states from covid-19. they say it put asylum seekers at risk by seeking the right to countries where they face persecution. guest: that is the argument for

open borders. i think americans are starting to get sick of what that means. as i said, one million illegal immigrants have been admitted to this country deliberately by this administration since he took office. that is a population the size of montana. there have been over a half-million who got away that have come to the country around the border control. we have to enforce our immigration laws. host: our guest is congressman, tom mcclintock.

the number is(20, independent 3 s. guest: the material is there and ready to be lifted into place. there remain in mexico policy instituted by the truck --

trump administration was extremely effective. those are the things that joe biden reversed. our deportations through ice are now the lowest ever recorded. the administration has been order to resume the policy. but so far, there has not been any word to do so. host: ukrainian refugees are now at the u.s., mexico border. it certainly before then there have been afghanistan refugees, prior to that patient refugees after the -- haitian refugees after the earthquake. guest: that is the consequence of open borders. i was down there when we countered a lot of people coming from -- encountered a lot of

people coming from cuba. we know where one of them went. 10 days later, one of those terrorists detonated the bomb at the airport and killed our marines. they are coming into that same open southern border. host: my question is, in light year that increases pressure which seems to be a bipartisan push that comes to some border reform, immigration measure that would resolve the situation and the immigration policy in this country. guest: so far, the democrats

oppose to advance a measure out of the house that extends amnesty. we have six hearings i believe, the house committee judiciary, five of those judiciaries for aimed at increasing the flow of migration in the country. there is a very sharp tradition. republicans are doing everything we can to secure the borders. host: we have calls waiting. back to the thing you said about

the borders allowing cheap labor to come to this country. do you think this country has a labor shortage that can be answered by immigration? guest: this argument that there are some jobs americans will not do it false. no coincidence. when we secured our border on the trump administration, look how the fastest increases in decades. we have the fastest increase in 40 years when we secure our borders. it was very much a blue-collar boom and the gap between rich and poor work mirroring, also the -- narrowing, also the first in decades.

host: let's get to our callers. caller: i have a few comments and a question i have to ask. we want to talk about cheap labor and people pay wages. a lot of those immigrants picks the fruit in california. review one american labor to do that and have the costs to skyrocket? hotel rooms, do you think there are a lot of people who want to clean the rooms? that is an argument for bringing in cheap illegal foreign labor for all jobs. guest: employment has to pay the

market wage for labor. if you flood the market, the market wage is going to go down dramatically for everybody. host: go ahead. caller: i got to agree on that. i recall the republicans controlling the house, senate and president donald trump. trump came out with his beautiful immigration plan. you guys talk about every single time against democrats. where did the beautiful plan go? it went down the drain. guest: i am sorry, that is about history. the mexico policy enforcing deportation and bringing the law to completion, near completion,

joe biden stop the final construction of that law. that has brought our borders back under control. those are the policies that the biden administration reversed on the very first day. you are right we failed to cast out of the house reform on things like loss that may have had a loophole that this administration has exploded -- exploited. host: independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning, congressman. i have a question. are these immigrants coming across the border, are they screen or are they taking diseases? we have a tremendous problem in the united states they are saying everyday with corona and a new variances.

the second of all, how many of these people coming across the borders and there are 13 gang members? in long island they have a problem with it. nobody is doing anything about it. my question is, tremendous cost of the hospitals when they come in there is no health care and they are using cherokee care which is pushing the cost of hospitalizations. first of all, there is wage in this country that is going up. i think they're so much fake news going on out there and we are being misled. i would like your comments. guest: yes, the gang situations

are becoming terrorists. do not forget, the cartel on the mexican side charged close to 35,000 i heard. they aren't making more money in trafficking than they are in drug trafficking. how do they enforce those high fees? the gangs come in. they advance the money and the gangs can come and an increase the cartel. a serious problem. those are the folks who are going across the border but we cannot apprehend because of the border control.

that does not include the people who did get a way that we could not stop. the point you made regarding our health care system, when illegal aliens can demand a care in our emergency room, they flood the emergency room. what is that doing for quality health care in this country? what does that do for our education system? this is insanity and insane. no civilization has ever survived without keeping its borders secured. host: a question on twitter. what is the republicans plan to hold employers accountable to hire the undocumented? guest: we verify.

why can't a verify system be mandated for employer so when they are hiring they would have access to that individuals right to be in the country in the first place? that is absolutely essential if we are going to project americans up. it is illegal to hire an illegal alien. host: in general, the democrats support that or oppose? guest: they are posted. host: let's hear from right in michigan on the republican line. caller: good morning. there is an invasion going on with russia right now. joe biden sent a bunch of crooks

over in germany to protect the borders of ukraine. does he realize that he, as the president of the united states can weigh out borders? why were there so many people working in washington? i feel you got 20 times more people than we really need because the more people you got, the more confusion you have. everybody has got their own opinion. everybody has got their own rights. they will never get along. they are not for us. the federal government is screwed up so bad, all they want to do is get things for themselves as long as they benefit, they do not really give a rats about us. guest: that is our jobs as

americans. in america, the people are sovereign. un select their governors, people elect hire help to governors. that is what i am. they decide whether to keep it or throw it out or replace it with somebody else. that is what our elections are all about. elections have never been more important than they are right now is our countries gets into this. not only with immigration, but what the democrats have done to our country is absolutely shocking. the inflation rate is up nearly 8%. look at the foreign policy debacles in afghanistan. we have got to decide as a people whether we want to

continue down this word -- road, whether we can even continue down the road. host: traffic -- topic from elections. tom mcclintock will rot in a new district after redistricting efforts presented eight greater challenge for you this year? guest: there are eight counties in the district. we have had a very warm procession here. i am very grateful for that. i am grateful to continue to support the people fcr, nevada. host: let's hear from ray in california. caller: you got the chamber of congress in california and that

was years ago. you can build a wall all you want. they will go under the wall. it does not matter. go after the employer and enforce the laws that we have. you know and i know it. the biggest obstacle is verify. guest: i agree. host: tampa, florida. independent line. welcome. caller: i think it is despicable the press secretary gets up there in those conferences and says immigration we need to be compassionate and treat these people, you are even treating the people here are ready with compassion and humanity. look how many people are in the streets now that cannot eat, do not have a roof over their head and you're bringing more here? it is not even fathom a ball to

understand why they are allowing this to happen. pure it is only helping our country, it is not -- it is only hurting our country, not helping our country. like health care, that is my money that i work for all of my life. my husband goes to the hospital and sees a person getting free treatment when i have to pay a hundred dollars a month. it is despicable. guest: there is no common sense to it. democracy, sometimes it is a blessing, other times it is a curse. we do get the government to vote for it. turns out it is a government that we do not like a serving the american people. it is our job to change it. the good news is, we have not

been struck by some act of god. those are things we can change the moment we sound the political will to do so. it is not all of that complicated. it is up to america to set things right. host: we will hear from edward, republican line in keyport, new jersey. edward. we lost him. bj in virginia. democrats line. caller: good morning. trump said that -- about they send us murderers, rapist. some, i suppose are good people. in later -- your opinion what is the breakdown on that percentage? trump never gave us percentages on murderers, rapist and good people.

second, what is the back end of that in terms of our regulated militia from outlining guns to go south of the border willy-nilly? should we regulate that more? how? guest: when asked about people coming across the border, it is a crime, it is a federal crime and it is illegal to cross the border between boards of entry. in that respect, every single person coming across our border in this manner is breaking american laws and they know it. i do not think we should tolerate any illegal immigration. it is illegal. with respect to the guns across the border, i have not really looked at that. my concern right now is we have

seen this administration took office, between those deliberately admitted, population the sizes of states like montana and wyoming admitted into these country says this administration took office. that is not sustainable. we are expecting up to 18,000, a population of wyoming every 32 days. that is shocking. host: on the republican line. bakersfield, california. stephen, go ahead. caller: yes. biden said when he went to europe this is the new world order, that freaks me out. how do you believe that? guest: economic policies are

decimating american workers. it is expected to take about $5,000 of the purchasing power of the average family. if you managed to put away towards hundred thousand dollars towards retirement, that purchasing power goes to inflation. i look at all of these things and wonder how is this happening ? the answer to that is, that is what we decided in the last election. host: before we let you go as the house comes in i think it it

that we provide them with the tools they need to defend their country among those things. we have been sending a lot of surplus of aircraft to park it in the middle of a desert. why aren't we sending that to countries like ukraine and taiwan? why can't we park them there where they can do some good? host: tom mcclintock, he has represented the important district of california for seven terms. thank you for being on the program, congressman. that will do it for "washington journal" this morning. we are back tomorrow morning at 7:00. the u.s. house coming in for legislative work. we will take you there next on c-span life. v