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environmental minded president to do something unlikely, embrace oil. tuesday, biden traveled to iowa, where he announced the environmental protection agency would temporarily lift regulations prohibiting the summertime use of an ethyl loan -- ethanol line. mr. biden said his government was going to weigh the regulation in order to reduce the price of gasoline at the pump for many americans. here are some comments from the president yesterday. >> we are not just learning and leaning on our allies and partners to help bring down gas prices. we are leaning on you, our farmers, our fire fuel response. i am announcing the environmental protection agency's plan to issue an emergency waiver to allow you 15
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gasoline that uses more ethanol home grown crops to be sold across the united states this summer in order to increase fuel supply. [applause] i feel like i am preaching to the choir. here is what it means. ee 15 is about $.10 a gallon cheaper than he 10. some states are offering a bigger discount. many of the gas nations that sell it in iowa, illinois, wisconsin, pennsylvania are required to stop selling it in the summer. with this waiver, on june 1, you are not going to show up at your local gas station and see a bag over the pump that has the cheapest gas. you are going to be able to keep filling up with you 15.
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it is going to solve a whole problem. host: president biden yesterday in iowa, on our opening question, asking our higher prices affecting your spending? the lines for those of you in the east, (202) 748-8000. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001. to get more detail on that inflation number, we are joined next by victoria guido, economics advisor for politico. joining us this morning. heard from the president yesterday, specifically about gasoline. how much, this record inflation, how much of the problem is contributed by the high gas prices? guest: this past month, it was about 70%. we talk about the 8.5% in you'll inflation number, that is how
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much prices are up over the past year. actually, over the past month, they were up 1.2% alone. that is the largest monthly number since ssent timber -- september 2005. even though this inflationary trend has been going on for a while, the number yesterday was going to be high because of the spikes in oil prices we have seen. host: a number have states have taken action like suspending their state vaseline tax, further additional leaves, the administration can make to stem the rising gas prices? guest: there is a lot of things you here under consideration. you mentioned the biden administration is releasing one million barrels a day from emergency reserves. that has helped oil prices come down a bit. that is -- that has had an impact. one of the questions, whether the promise -- as the government
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depletes its reserves, there is an explicit promise that, down the line, the administration will fill the reserve later on. the question is, whether the promise of that future demand will help encourage the domestic oil producers to drill. one of the big problems for domestic production, we have the capacity to help bring down these prices. oil companies are skittish because they worry that if they ramp up production now, by the time a lot of it comes online, maybe prices will have dropped considerably. you might end up losing money. one of the big things people have talked about in terms of helping oil prices come down is finding ways to encourage domestic oil companies to produce the amount they can. host: we know the headline, it
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is 8.5% inflation, the highest in 40 years. ahead of that report from the labor department yesterday, you had a piece in politico that headlined it and looking past headline on inflation. when you look past this inflation headline, what you see? are there any signs of this leveling off? where should we be looking for that? guest: if you dig into the numbers on inflation, there is headline inflation, which is basically all prices. then there is core inflation, where you take out food and energy. the reason why a lot of people do that is, oil and crops are commodities that are traded on exchanges. the prices fluctuate a lot more than prices that are set by businesses. you look at that core inflation, there was still considerable inflation. it slowed down from where it has been over the last few months. that was something that was an
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encouraging signal to policymakers. obviously, it is one month of data. if the trend is what matters, people like the fed and the white house will be watching closely to see if that trend continues. at least if you look at that one number, it does indicate there could be easing of prices. host: do we know if wages are keeping pace with inflation, helping people pay for these rising prices? guest: it depends on how you break it down. there is a lot of evidence that, for the lowest income bracket, we have been rising fast with inflation. on aggregate, no. inflation wages haven't been -- wages haven't been keeping pace with inflation. even though people might be getting raises, things are getting more expensive at the same time. ultimately, people have less money. host: victoria guido is on
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twitter. thanks for updating me this morning. we are opening the program asking you, our higher prices affecting your spending? the lines for those in the east and central time zones, (202) 748-8000. for the mountain and pacific region, that is (202) 748-8001. let's hear from roberta, decatur, georgia. caller: how inflation or higher prices are impacting my household, i tend to, when it comes to gas, i will fill up my tank and try not to travel too much to other areas of georgia. i will try to make sure i stay put and get everything i need in one area so i do not drive much.
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i get to eat out maybe once every couple of weeks. now, we prepare and eat things at home, and not eat out because the cost of eating out is increased quite a bit. that is some of the things we do, watch and may go to different stores to see where the sales are. where, usually, i could buy at one location. we really try to map out what may be cheaper where, stay in our area so that we do not use too much as far as gas and purchasing of food and other household items, even toilet paper and paper towels. host: this is from the hill this morning, alexander bolton with the beast.
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the headline, new inflation numbers ring alarms for senate democratic majority. he writes that a report by the labor department that inflation in march rose by 8.5%, compared to a year ago. it is setting off new alarm among democrats that their senate majority is in trouble. the bad news for democrats is that inflation is projected to be a problem for the rest of this year. there is not much they can do about it in the short term and there is -- it is souring americans view of the economy. senator raphael warnock said, inflation is the major cause for concern in voters in his state. "i am focused on the pinch people are feeling around rising costs, which is why i introduced my insulin bill, which would cap the cost of insulin and interested in the federal tax holiday." next, we hear from richard. go ahead. caller: i am a first time
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caller. i -- you say inflation is up 8.5%. is that lower if you are buying a cup of coffee, as a builder, it used to be $15 for a sheet of osb. now, we are paying -- last time, it was $75 a sheet. now, it is $45 a sheet. you do not have to be a mathematician to know that is more than 8%. the price of aluminum products have doubled. price of gas was two dollars last year or two years ago, now it is four dollars, five dollars. that is not 8%. one more comment, i wish our government would watch your
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show. it shows what the people think. i think the one thing we all have in common, regardless if you are democratic, republican, independent is, we would all like to see term limits. i do not care what the case, who you are, where you are from, there is not one person who would not agree with term limits. host: don't be a stranger. call back in 30 days. we go to kathy -- i lost you, kathy. call in if you get a chance. let's show you comments from kevin brady, a republican from texas. he is the ranking member on the house, ways and means committee, ahead of those inflation numbers coming out. he was on cnbc yesterday and had this to say. >> think a fair assessment of this is that it didn't necessarily start on president biden's inauguration day.
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certainly in march, when democrats ran through that 1.9 trillion dollar american rescue plan, that is where inflation took off in a serious way and has continued to accelerate. now, we see the new numbers this morning. anything over .4% is another monthly pay cut for families and workers. i think there was a hangover from some of the covid area programs that had lavish unemployment benefits, lavish health care benefits, and the child tax credit no longer tied to work. i think that exacerbated the worker shortage, which made inflation and prices harder and higher for longer. i think those were the key elements in spending the timing. i think benefits that extended way beyond where the recovery demanded it. host: report from the labor department yesterday showing the on up limit rate at a 40 year high. our prices affecting your
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spending? for those of you in the eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8000. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001. tyson ceo says customers -- tyson has posted a 40 percent increase from the first quarter of 2021. do not be fooled, this is about corporate greed. it always is. representative jayapal singh, inflation is rising, but corporations are using it as a smokescreen to hike prices higher and pad their wallets. governor ron desantis of florida says inflation is a 40 year high of 8.5 percent due to federal policies of borrowing and printing money at unfathomable levels. biden could unleash domestic
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energy production to provide relief. instead, he is content watching people suffer. the financial post had this observation of the price of things online. there headline, soaring prices of online goods may flash and other warning for the fed. prices for online goods continued to surge and -- in march at a record price. you read that at financial post.com. let's hear from linda in fort myers, florida. linda, there you are. go ahead. you are on. caller: thank you. this has affected my life a lot. i am on a fixed income. i just retired. i am one of the people from the
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1980's who has no retirement, no nothing from 2008. i am hurting. i can barely afford groceries. i have cut out a prescription. i look at the wage fighting we did over the past year or two. that has been nothing. these corporations have never lost money. i don't believe any of it. i think they are going to thrive more and more. our discrepancy in income is so high at this point, i do not see how we are going to turn it around. i do not. i know people are hurting. i feel guilty for saying anything when there's people in ukraine and other people in the world that are suffering so much. when i look at it that way, i do not see it as so bad. day-to-day existence has been affected, no doubt. host: let's hear from donald in
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riverside, california. how are high prices affecting you? caller: i live in california where they have the highest price and gasoline. inflation is eating up our budgets. i listened to that woman in florida thinking, i feel so sad for her. i wish we could impeach the president immediately, get him out of office, he has done nothing but ruin this country. he is trying to work with russians and chinese. that is why everybody is waiting for us to die off from the covid or whatever else they threw -- throw at us. why are we coddling the president? we have got to get him out of here. tell kamala to do the best job she can. thank you.
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host: richard and sparta, new jersey. caller: inflation is universal. in new york, the inflation rate is 7.5%. in mexico, it is 7.5%. in germany, it is 7.5%. brazil, it is 11%. there is inflation all over the world except super controlled economies like china, where it is 1.5%. the price of fuel went up so much. fuel is the main driver of this. it is worldwide. i do not think -- host: are you still there?
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a piece from the new york times, war and virus sending high inflation across the globe as the united states policymakers and other countries have been caught off guard by persistently high inflation, price increases were expected to ease as economies recovered from the pandemic. surging energy and food prices have continued to lift inflation all over the world. predictions of inflation were raised. the fear is the stability of energy prices in russia, disrupted food production, facing the risk of a global hunger crisis. supply chains remain burdened by pandemic induced disruptions and demand for some goods is stronger than production can handle. high inflation is wide spread among the united states, the euro area and other so-called advanced economies. 60% of the countries have annual inflation rights -- rates over.
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it is the largest share since the 1980's, a serious problem for central banks. which typically target inflation at 2%. emergent economy is, more than half have inflation rates above 7%. for now, china and japan are notable exceptions. diane is next in mansfield, ohio. good morning. caller: you and the new york times, the caller from new jersey stole my thunder. we are making different choices with our family. our gas prices have been going up a few cents each week. that is since the reserves were open. that is obvious price gouging, which is disappointing. i wanted to comment on the first time caller this morning, welcome to c-span. actually, i am one that does not
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believe in term limits. i believe that each state -- i think that needs to be left up to individuals in the states. i hope everyone has a great day. host: president biden talked about the higher number of inflation and addressed to the issue of bringing down meet and poultry prices. he is what we -- here is what he said. >> farmers are not getting a fair deal nationwide. neither our families at the grocery store. back in july, i signed an executive order to help level the playing field for families,
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farmers and ranchers because as many of you know, four big companies control more than half the market for beef, pork and poultry, giving ranchers very few choices about who to sell to and get their profits. these big conglomerates drive down prices, they pay farmers and even as they drive up prices at the grocery store. we are investing up to $1 billion in american rescue funds for new and expanded meat and poultry products. host: (202) 748-8001, mountain and pacific. you can send us a text at (202) 748-8003. front page of the wall street journal this morning, u.s. inflation surged to a high of
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8.8% in march. driven by strong consumer demand. the labor department said to the consumer price index, which measures what consumers pay for goods and services rose last month at its fastest annual pace since december 1981, up from the 7.9 percent annual rate in february. there have been six straight months of inflation above 6%, above the federal reserve's average of 2% target. russia's invasion of ukraine --
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caller: i was, they've got enough information -- they do not have to raise these prices. right now, with this pandemic is still going on and everything else, the murder rates and all that stuff going on in the united states, they are not caring about the people. they have enough money already. they do not need to raise prices. they are greedy.
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our republicans are greedy. they do not care about you. we need to vote these republicans out and send somebody in there who is going to care. have a great day. host: senator elizabeth warren says this on twitter, giant corporations using inflation as a cover to raise prices and boost profits. we have too little competition and companies have too much power to increase prices. i have been calling out this profiteering and price gouging. representative from new york says inflation is a tax on all americans that has increased every month of bidens failed presidency. james is on the line. go ahead. host: caller: i keep hearing everybody
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badmouthing biden. he has an amazing economy. this is unprecedented. he has got a boom going on. nobody is talking about trump and his cuts in april 2020. every chart you look at, april of 2020, the price is -- prices dramatically began to increase in inflation and have risen ever since. everybody's pointing fingers at biden, but nobody is talking about the fact that the oil companies -- which benefited the oligarchs, including putin. this is ridiculous. the point is, president biden has requested these oil
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companies resume production, but the oil companies refuse. should they resume production when they can rip off the consumer and price gouge them and make better profits? do we need to drill? no. they're sitting on 13.9 million unused acres right now that they refuse to open up to drillup and they've been sitting on them for years. they don't need to drill. they're ripping off the consumer and making profits unheard of. never seen before. and everybody's pointing the finger at biden. this is the same garbage that they tried on carter that killed his second term. the oil companies are ripping us off, people.
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we have got to stand up to them because it's hurting everybody. host: sorry, james, that inflation number, the highest it's been since the very first few months to the reagan administration who came into office after defeating president carter. in fort worth, texas, we hear from carolyn next. go ahead. caller: hello. it's been a good while since i've called in. but all of your callers that are calling from the country, our governor, governor abbott has passed a law demanding that trucks be inspected at the border. the one that bring in the two commerce and -- avocado, tomatoes and produce and a lot of things that's coming from the west and they're supposed to be delivering to grocery stores and warehouses in our state and other states around the country. and in our state, he has the trucks and refrigerator trucks
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lined up outside of el paso for miles because they wanted to inspect every truck to make sure there's no drugs on the trucks. and you know how long that's going to take for them to get across the border and to texas to make their deliveries to the warehouse. what that does is drive up the price of groceries as well. so i agree with many of your callers, especially the other lady that called. there is a political part that they're pulling in order to make president biden look very bad. host: are you seeing some of those prices -- some of the effect there on grocery shelves in fort worth? caller: you betcha. you better believe it. it's really -- i like to buy blueberries and they're $4, $5, as much as a gallon of gas. and a lot of your groceries and things that are high, some of it
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may be from -- they're having to pay their wages, high wages. but the biggest part is they're holding up trucks at the border so they can't get to the warehouses and to the stores. he was talking about this. i don't know if he's going to pull it up anywhere. but that's something people need to look into because i think that's so unfair to the poor in this state. host: here's the story what carolyn was talking about the headline from the new york "times." they write that since last week, commercial vehicles entering texas have faced not only the usual federal immigration and customs inspections but new checkpoints set up by texas police on the road way immediately after a measure mr. abbott, said he was ordering in response the flow of illegal drugs and human trafficking
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across the border which delays stretching up to 14 hours. some drivers have diverted to arizona and new mexico. they say the problem for businesses had been anticipated by the governor when he orderwhen the inspection in a zero tolerance policy for safety violations, "this is going to dramatically slow traffic for mexico into texas." asking you about the effect of inflation. are higher prices affecting your spending? it is 202-748-8000. that's the line for those of you in the east coast. eastern and central time zones. mountain region is 202-748-8001. let's hear from ralph in washington, d.c. ralph. there you are. go ahead. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: i've been listening to this debate about oil, and last couple of points i like to make. number one is the -- that pipeline, they wanted to come down from canada.
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that pipeline was not going to supply us with the products. that pipeline was to be shipped to louisiana and then it was going to be thrown in boats because we don't have the refining capacity because the oil was so thick and so full of sulfur. that oil was for export only. so this lie that's been perpetrated that we were going to lose something because of it is exactly that. it is a lie. i just find it amazing. i'm hearing the lies from both parties. on the left, now they're using this gun thing as an excuse to try to regulate guns and they're already trying to regulate speech. most people don't know that for the longest time, london had more murders than we did and they completely banned guns and then the mayor's going to come back and say oh, well, now, we're going to ban pointy
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knives, big pointy knives. they're going to regulate those. i mean, it's not the guns that are causing the violence. it's the people who are using those weapons and these assault weapons only represent 1% of the total deaths. it's the handguns and the gangsters and in the drugs. we get problems -- host: ok, a little off topic but thanks for your comments. this is a column from the "u.s.a. today." this headline that say inflation is going to be painfully slow, the descent. grocery prices increase from 1.5% and up 10% over the past year. ukraine accounts for about 8% to the world's wheat exports. and war-related disruptions, shipments, wars appears to be pushing up the prices of wheat-related products. and 9.2% from a year ago. corner meal increased 2.8% monthly and 9.3% annually.
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and fresh biscuits prose 2.5% monthly. and rent, they write, increased .4% from the prior month and 4.4% annually. the former federal reserve official spoke yesterday with "the wall street journal" and mentioned what -- how this inflation number, the inflation from the labor department may affect policy divisions down the road. >> the commodities associated with russia's invasion of ukraine is driving that very high top line inflation number you see. and in particular, in today's c.p.i. reading, energy prices accounted for nearly 70% of the monthly headline reading, particularly gasoline prices at the pump. and food contributed another
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10%. those price increases are particularly painful for lower income families who spend a larger share of their income on food and transportation. the c.p.i. data also showed a notable slowdown in corn inflation. it fell from 0.5% month over month to 0.3%. and it is a component of inflation that mostly reflects the strength of domestic demand and i'm most focused on for the purpose of assessing the tax monetary policy. and then looking within that, i think it's notable that core goods, which has been the source of an outsized amount of core inflationary pressure moderated more than expecting. more than i have anticipated. so, if you look in terms of the overall core c.p.i., the prices
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in core goods have been responsible almost half of the increase in core inflation over the past year, even though they normally account for only about a quarter of the overall. so it's very welcome to see the moderation of category, and i'll be looking to see whether we continue to see moderation in the months ahead. host: and we are about to hear more about the inflation number from treasury secretary janet yellen. she's speaking today at the atlantic council of discussion on the u.s. and global economies. that gets underway today at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we will have it live for you at 10:00 here on espn and streaming on c-span.org and you can catch it on our free mobile app, the c-span now app mobile video app, 10:00 a.m. eastern. our question about you this morning. the effect of inflation and how those higher prices are affect you. in the east, 202-748-8000. mountain and pacific,
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202-748-8001. we'll go to c.j. in baton rouge, louisiana. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: the way it's affecting me is i haven't been able to go to a restaurant to take my wife out to dinner for about the last six months because i can't afford it. i can't hardly drive around my car the way i used to because gas is just totally outrageous. and that's just a couple things that i'm concerned about. but i have a question. when is the democrat party or excuse me, the cabinet, when is the cabinet going to start doing the process to do the article 25 to get this president out of office? he's killing us.
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host: here's jack in iowa, davenport. good morning. caller: good morning. i think that calculating this inflation stuff wrong. the comparison should be based on 2019 figures, not last year when we were still in covid closedown. trump succeeded in stopping the china from dumping a bunch of stuff in the u.s. and that was naturally going to leave to price increases from stuff coming from china. that's from trump. i remember paying seven or eight years ago -- a gas and now it's only free 3 in iowa. so i'm actually thinking that some prices have deflated. how many people also retired on
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st. when they weren't three years ago? so the calculations are wrong. i've been on social security. i'm still continuing on social security. him social security's up. i think biden's doing just fine. host: let's hear from bill in orange park, florida. question for you this morning about the higher prices. how are they affecting you? go ahead, bill. caller: yeah. i think there's some kind of deputy about this oil the oil coming from canada, i don't know exactly how much that is. but i mean, the oil coming from north dakota is some damn good oil. they built a pipeline. my family owns 808 acres of oil and mineral rights up there. when they built the pipeline inned to illinois just for the natural gas. but i think these people that are calling in about this dark money oil and that, they're full
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of b.s. host: does your family still own those mineral rights? caller: yes, sir. host: how much income does that provide? >> our next door neighbor was a millionaire. but during obama, when biden was vice president, we got maybe three letters a month wanting us to sell our mineral rights. and everybody else up there got them too. and if they were all sold to the government, you would be paying $20 a gallon. host: all right, we hear from lydia next up we want go to waterford, new york. go ahead. caller: oh, hi. we're doing actually ok because my husband and i both have pensions. but i did find it interesting the person that called in about
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the avocados. because i love after cados and the prices have went way up. they used to be like 99 cents for one and now it's $1.29 and that's up in state new york. we do have a big problem at the border. i don't know what's going to happen if we have two million people come across, especially if covid is still around. then i'm worried that we're going to end up with food shortages and people won't have places to live. and we have people coming over from over 150 countries. you know, my concern -- i just think everything works together. host: we'll talk more about the border and immigration. in our next segment here on "washington journal," asking you this morning about the high prices, how high prices are affecting you. here is a headline, lead
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headline in the "washington times" this morning. biden blamed as higher prices soak up paycheck, inflation is killing everything, said a 59-year-old construction worker from milwaukee. gas prices are going up. and it doesn't look like it's getting any better. the "times" writes that americans are increasingly shelling out more of their paychecks on gasoline, food and housing while the u.s. economy continues to face shortages because of supply chain crisis. a poll found that 69% of u.s. adults is approved the way the administration is handling inflation. i think things rolled down from the top. so i would say the new president punishable administration has something to do with it. let's hear from matt in dallas, texas. matt, on the line. hello, there. caller: good morning, bill. and thank you, c-span, for
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taking my call. one of the things when we saw oil prices shoot up in march is, you know, i wanted to travel later this year. and so i decided i didn't want wait for -- to wait for prices to continue to go up. so i went ahead and bought some of my airline tickets early. because now, could oil prices and jet fuel come down later? sure. but i wanted to have a hedge in case it doesn't. so that's probably the one thing that's affected me was i wanted to travel a couple of times this year and so i decided to buy my airline tickets earlier rather than later. host: right. did it save? did you look at those prices afterwards and see you have saved a significant amount of money? caller: no, not yet. and i'm going to continue to monitor it, the prices that i paid.
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i think pour reasonable -- are reasonable. it's still a lot higher than what i paid for the same trip before. but. so far, the prices for airline tickets seem to continue to increase. but, you know, like i hear on the news, it depends on what day the week you travel and if there's a holiday going on. so i'll just continue to monitor it. and if i'm lucky to get a cheaper price later, then i'll rebook. host: on gas prices, you're in an oil producing state. what does an average gallon of gas cost in dallas? caller: right now, it's around $3.50, $3.60 a gallon. fortunately, there's even some gas stations that are $3.45. host: appreciate your calling in. host: the lines are for the east and central time zones, 202-748-8000.
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and the mountain and pacific region, 202-748-8001. next up is michelle in glasgow, montana. go ahead. caller: hello. yes. i have started going and instead of going to the grocery store, i live in a rural area. and i'm going to my local farmer and ravagers and buying half of beef and getting eggs and everything like that. and it is considerably cheaper to take advantage of my local farmer and ravager. host: so that is something that you wouldn't have done otherwise? are they going up for the local farmer and rancher? caller: oh, definitely. we have a drought here and a lot
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of them are selling off their cows. but you can buy a half of a beef as it is in the grocery store. host: the drought also expected to continue on to the ring and summer this year? caller: they do. we are desperate for moisture. host: glad you got through, michelle. thanks for calling in this morning. some reaction yesterday from lawmakers on twitter. senator from arkansas said this. joe biden is the inflation president. senator ted cruz said the white house is expecting shocking numbers. here is the list of the shifted reality about inflation. it's not happening. it's transitory it's high class problem. it's a good thing. it's putin's fault. representative scott perry says consumer prices increased 8.5%. the fastest since raiders of the lost ark was a hit in 1981.
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and the former labor secretary says i don't know who needs to hear this but economy controlled by a handful of oligarch of a free agent market, he said. congressman from florida put together a video yesterday on inflation. here's some of that. >> there are solutions that congress and the white house could be working on together to make a difference in the lives of individuals. i'm not saying that it would fix everything. but it can make a difference and unfortunately, congress and the white house are not working on these things together. i tell people. i think the root cause, energy, energy, energy. number one, the biden administration needs to adjust their energy policies. and we can look at this in a host of different places. people use the term farm-to-table. there's no such thing really as farm-to-table. it's farm to truck to table. or if you want to get fuel in your car. it's refinery to truck to gas
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station or if you want to get something from the grocery store, right? it's farm or some other place to truck to grocery store. everything, there's a truck in the middle. and for most of us, there's a vehicle in the middle of us going to get those things. so just number one thing that they constantly say. we could be doing to help adjust this, get rid or put a moratorium on the 18.4 cents per gallon tax right now. that's would be the easy placeses that your government could be working to help out this issue and address energy policy. more long-term looking, this administration needs to change their cancelation of pipelines like the excel pipeline borrow what they're looking to do in michigan with canceling the line 5 pipeline as we speak. allow those projects to get long-term contracts on them so that they can come to fruition. people can use companies the
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