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talks about border security issues. washington journal starts now. the cost of this fight is not cheap, but aggression is more costly if we allow it to happen. host: president biden calling on congress to pass additional 33 billion to aid ukraine and its fight against russia. this morning, it is your turn to tell law makers how you want them to vote. if you oppose, (202) 748-8001 you can tell us if you support or oppose by text (202) 748-8002

. you can join the conversation on facebook at facebook.com/cspan or tweet us at http://twitter.com/cspanwj we will get your thoughts on this. how will this money be spent? here is president biden yesterday. >> we have almost exhausted the drawdown authority that congress authorized ukraine in a bipartisan spending bill last month. that is why in order to sustain ukraine, i am sending congress budget request that will keep weapons and ammunition flowing to the ukraine fighters and to continue the humanitarian assistance to the ukrainian people.

this funding addresses the need to the ukrainian military in the weeks and months ahead. and began transition to security systems that will help them defend against russian aggression. this assistance provides more artillery, anti-armor systems that have been used successfully so far by ukrainian warriors. it has come to deliver humanitarian assistance as well as food, water, shelter to ukrainians displaced by war and pervade -- provide -- it will help hospitals and schools open. it will allow social support to be paid to the ukrainian people so they will have something in their pocket. it will also provide food resources around the globe.

10% of all the we shipped around the world was provided by ukraine. putin is blocking grain, putin's war, not sanctions are impacting the harvest of food and obstructing the movement of food by land and sea to nations around the globe that need it. this money is going to help the rising food prices at home and abroad caused by the war in ukraine. it will support american farmers produce more crops, like a weed that is good for america and go the world. and this supplemental request will expand domestic production of lithium and nickel

and that are necessary to make defense systems in automobiles. host: more details on how the 33 billion would be spent by the white house and cnbc. 24 billion in military systems, 8.5 billion to support the ukrainian economy and 3 billion and humanitarian assistance. again, we want you to tell washington how you want them to vote. president biden calling on congress to pass more aid to ukraine. do you support or oppose the idea? the president also talked about the money that has been issued already to the country of ukraine. here's what he had to say. >> in the past two months,

russia lost his rule attack and we have moved weapons and equipment and record speed. thanks to the aid, russia has been forced to retreat from kyiv. we have sent thousands of drones, grenade launchers, machines guns, 15 million rounds of ammunition. the united states alone has provided anti-armor systems. providing ukraine timely intelligence to help defend themselves against russian onslaught and we are facilitating the flow of weapons and systems to ukraine from our allies around the world including tanks, artillery and other weapons. that support is moving -- much

of the equipment we have announced has already gotten to ukraine where it can be put to use on the battlefield. host: president biden at the white house asking for more money for ukraine. you heard him outline the aid far that is been given to the country so far. according to the imsf, ukraine needs 5 million monthly to keep the country afloat, that does not take into account reconstruction. so 5 million monthly to keep it afloat. according to the pentagon on the money that is been given so far, on march 9 they approve 16 billion, on march 16 they

approved 16 million and then another 800 million in military aid. do you support or oppose giving ukraine more. in new york, we go to you. caller: good morning. do you think may be this could go to support the southern border and maybe not be led by -- host: we will go to ben in michigan. caller: no. host: no, why? caller: we need to take care of the usa not somebody else's problem.

host: have we already given too much? have we not have given any at all? caller: way, way too much. we should not have given them money in the beginning. what have they done for us? we have our own problems. tell the white house to get there shipped together. host: steve. caller: i totally support it. we are part of nato. 40 countries not just us. the countries -- biden got the countries together. trump wanted to get us out of nato. i totally support what is

happening with the president and this amount of money to ukraine. i am confused about why the republicans bring up the border. nobody is talking about the border except them. host: yesterday, they were talking about the border when alejandra mayorkas testified. we covered that hearing and you can find it on our website c-span.org. host: the u.s. left 7 billion in hardware in afghanistan. this is from richard blumenthal, president biden 33 billion, another step in keeping faith

and fulfilling our commitment. congress put its money where its mouth is. nancy pelosi, biden's request reflects what is needed to help them defend their nation but democracy itself. we look forward to a strong, bipartisan result. and kevin mccarthy said an additional spending, democratic rule has squandered our recovery. what do all of you think? let's go to christine and gary, indiana. caller: i oppose. i don't see the point of the war.

$33 billion don't put my money anywhere else. the u.s. is always the first one to jump into a war. there are a lot of domestic problems that can be resolved. i oppose. host: johnny and boston. caller: i don't have any problems with giving so much money to ukraine to the situation there. but could you bring up some time during the show the amount of money the other countries are contributed to that so we can have some kind of a balance, we are not the only one supporting ukraine. i know we are not but i would like to get some of those figures if you could. host: i could, i would try to do that. caller: my biggest concern, and

maybe i am trying to go too far. if we look at the past with the ussr when reagan was so powerful, it really came down that pressure was broke. that is why they collapse. d. we are not going in the right direction and money is one of the reasons we are not going in the right direction. i am concerned about what happened in the past with russia. we gave reagan all the power that he had but it really came down to money. i hope you have a good weekend and be safe. host: before you go, our producer got these numbers.

where military aid from ukraine goes from. countries giving the most, this is from february 24 to march 27. the united states sent billions of dollars followed by estonia, u.k., germany and the czech republic. in the first week, 1 billion and arms was sent by these countries. johnny your reaction to seeing these numbers? caller: i think that proves what i am saying. we are way out there. i understand that, we are the best country. i think it would be good if we could give as much money --

get as much money from other countries. i think we have to keep that, i know we have to fight for freedom and i am all for that. i have a nephew that is teaching english in slovakia, i want him home until this craziness stops. he is serving the people of slovakia, teaching their people english but i am afraid. i am afraid of this craziness from russia. host: donald and albany, new york. he is oppose. caller: i do oppose. nato was put together for a reason when world war ii when

nazi germany was there and not with russia and ukraine. host: richard you are next. caller: do you remember when saddam hussein invaded kuwait. and just like this, when biden bungled afghanistan it gave putin the green light to invade ukraine. we have to make up for biden's bungling and send all that stuff there. obama and biden could have shown more force when putin was doing this invasion before.

host: fiona opposes in baton rouge, louisiana. caller: i am completely against it. i am a veteran myself and i am tired of it. that money could go to teachers. the schools that we have here are not the way that they should be. there are a lot of things here that we need to take care of. we should try to take care of home first before getting into things of this nature. they are not a part of nato, i am sorry the tv is on. host: you supported it up until

now. now, it seems like too much? caller: i supported the more before they were not letting the black people get on trains. that is not something i am willing to support at all. i don't think we should be dealing with someone else's situation. i think we need to take care of our own. host: in your point about teachers, you may be interested in our next our. we will be joined by randi weingarten and we will talk about what is going on with teachers in schools and parents rights and debates happening all over the country. mary in fort washington, you will pose. caller: i wholeheartedly oppose. where is all the republican

party about where the money is coming from? i think we have given enough to ukraine. i do not believe that the war is going to be won by the ukrainians. russia will win and all of that money will be lost. we need to take care of the problems here. you need to put up that post from the peace corps about black people being treated in ukraine. the mainstream media, i don't think they are telling us the truth. they do a lot of had dined spending and do a lot of talking. all we need is facts. we need to make our own opinions. we need to take care of business here. where was the money for the pandemic? people are still sleeping in

their cars. gas is still going out. we need the money here. host: the congress is trying to pass more money for the covid-19 response. president biden talked about that from the white house. you may be interested in the headline from the wall street journal, congress said to take up the aid package. democratic and republican lawmakers welcome the 33,000,000,002 find weapons and humanitarian aid to ukraine. the proposal announced yesterday is designed to back ukraine's war effort to the end of september. they must work out how to approve the aid and to back up covid-19 aid and treatments. democrats would like to combine the two requests. however, republicans have said that any pandemic aid must also

contain aid sustaining title 42. as you can tell from wall street journal, this could get tangled up in aid for covid-19 or put together and wrote as one package. frank in florida. tell us what you think. caller: i supported to some degree. there are multiple sides to any conflicts, even domestically. there is money involved, a lot of money involved. how many other countries, not just european but asian are

supporting the ukrainians? even ukraine and russia there are multiple sides. putin is out of control, he is not the only power in russia. i don't think he is thinking clearly. i think he has advisors advising him but this is getting out of control. it is all about the petrodollar we are talking about around the world. host: frank this is from usa today. biden seeking the selling off of russian assets. the biden asset has this wish, it will seek authority to seize

russian assets and have the proceeds be used in the war. do you like that idea? caller: that will cause a conflict between more russian people against the u.s. there are multiple sides, we have to take a stance. that is why we have congress. that is why you will like these officials. host: and the vote. caller: you elect these officials to vote for you. host: that is why we are asking you this morning in this first hour and later on in the show to because they represent you, on

this program you get to call in and these lawmakers are in washington and let them know how you want them to vote. you are saying yes to the 33 billion? caller: i could email them and fax them to let them know my position too. host: john in jacksonville, florida. you oppose? caller: the people who elected representatives absolutely not. joe biden, where is this money coming from? it is coming from the tax p ayers. they are supposed to represent us. what happens to all of these weapons that are being sent over there?

they will end up in the hands of the russians. a lot of them of been captured and lost and they will be used against the americans in the future. i am totally opposed to it. host: listen to the leader of the republicans addressing his concerns about all of these weapons going to ukraine and what it means for the u.s. military readiness and the amount of weapons we have to protect ourselves. he is what he had to say. >> it is not enough for americans and our allies to help ukraine, we need to modernize our own defenses at the same time. after just two months, our aid to ukraine has drawn down a quarter of our entire stockpile

of stinger anti-air missiles and a third of our javaone antitank missiles. our stockpiles of similar weapons have shrunk as well. this is a wake-up call and not just about our ability to support the current fight. ukraine's expenditure rate should cause us to question whether our own weapons and ammunition systems are sufficient. this would be less of a problem if we had a robust defense base that could refill our armories but defense manufacturers have admitted that production lines have dried up and it could be years before they could replace the weapons that we have sent to ukraine. we live in a dangerous world

whether it is the prospect of russia against nato or the aggression of china, or ran or north korea tomorrow. america must be prepared to project power all over the globe. we cannot assume that our adversaries will give us time to prepare for battle or restock in the middle of one. host: that was mitch mcconnell, leader of the republican party in the senate. we are asking you to tell the senators if you supported propose the additional funding to ukraine. you can send us a text like this viewer has to deny more military aid to ukraine opens the door to prudent to overrun the baltic states.

you can send us a tweet http://twitter.com/cspanwj at http://twitter.com/cspanwj or post on facebook. i think we should support ukraine as well as our nato allies. we should honor the agreement that we made to the people of the ukraine. michael and oregon. caller: i am calling from port orchard and i am calling to support the package going to ukraine. coming from a military family, my father in the marine corps and went to world war ii and korea.

in the 30's, the americans did not want to get into the war and we saw afterwards what hitler's was doing to his people in the countries that he ran over and i hope that we pay attention and that is one reason we formed nato. nato came to our house in 2001. we send them a lot of money but we are the richest country in the world. if we don't give some money to them, who will help ukraine? putin will go to other countries and eastern europe.

we are the richest country in the world. we have 350 million people in here and we have to think of our empathy and humanity for the crimes that putin is doing to these people. he is pouring bodies into graves . we don't want another war where they are pulling bodies out of concentration camps. host: from the new york times, house cleared bill to allow loan of arms to ukraine. the house passed -- allowing biden to loan weapons.

they invoked an eight decade old law that reflected a bar partisan concern to help the ukrainian military. they passed the legislation unanimously this month. patsy in oklahoma, you oppose? caller: i oppose and it is frustrating for me all of the money that we have already spent over there. it is not that we don't care about these people, we do. we are defeating the purpose of spending the money over there because right now the russian

economy is booming because their gas is worth more because we won't produce any right now. that natural gas is not a terrible thing for the climate. it has nothing to do with what i hear on fox news. i listen to more than fox news and it is frustrating to see that happen. all the money he has making on natural gas right now is being used took fight that. it does not make any sense whatsoever. we have all these people coming into the country that we help and we do not have the money to spend on them but we are letting them in. what are they going to do? and what about the people dying from vent no coming in here. doesn't anybody care about the

veterans living on the street. host: we covered the homelands security testifying on capitol hill about immigration and border security issues as well. we also brought you coverage of the energy secretary testifying about the president's 2023 budget for her agency and asked about why the biden administration is not unleashing american energy to defeat russia and ukraine. >> why are you pushing policies that are making life miserable for people? you have the power to unleash american energy. you have that american/ukrainian

flag on your lapel. i have been in contact with people on the ground and the government there and i spoke to them directly about them unleashing the most powerful weapon in the arsenal of democracy that is american energy. >> i totally agree about your concern about the price of gas. it is hurting people. the administration is concerned about this too. administrations across the world are concerned because the price of oil is traded on the global market. right now, russian's actions have taken 1.5 million barrels off the market. the war has caused prices to rocket.

i know that is not what you want to believe but if you ask any market executive. host: from capitol hill, our coverage of the energy secretary , the price of energy across the world and the impact of the war in the ukraine. european diplomats discussing various sanction mechanisms moving to a complete ban of russian oil from germany and other european countries. james and illinois, you support more aid to ukraine. caller: i support as much aid as

we can get these people. it is disingenuous to have mr. mcconnell on their when he did business with these oligarchs. they talk about hunter biden, these republicans are paying lip service to the idea for freedom ukraine while at the same time supporting these oligarchs. host: where did you read that and where did you hear that? caller: the aluminum plan in kentucky and mitch mcconnell pitching for it with a now sanctioned oligarch. the justice department needs to hold republicans accountable for january 6 and until we hold them accountable and the ringleader it is just going to keep pestering and ruining our democracy. host: let's go to anthony in

florida. you oppose? anthony, i cannot hear you. anthony, are you there? you have to turn down your television. ted, in alabama. ted, mute your television. let's try eric. let's help your television is muted. caller: i have muted my television. you oppose? i do oppose it to a certain extent because everyone says the

u.s. is the richest country in the world, are you really -- are we really? there are oil rich companies in the middle east. there are families that have gold covered everything. is saudi arabia kicking in 30 billion? we paid the lion share of nato. why are we always the ones with the deep pockets. i agree giving them the money. i think it is not a fair process for the u.s. to always be the one that people calm too with their hands out. host: politico did a story last month about what countries contributed what to ukraine.

it is listed in alphabetical order. luxembourg, netherlands, norway, portugal, romania, slovakia, south korea, spain, turkey, the u.k. in the united states. that was a month ago, there could be a more updated list but that is the list of countries that contributed to the war in ukraine. bob, you support? caller: on the money deal, i know they need the money to fight the russians. where are they getting all this money? they want money for the border,

they want money for covid. it is just crazy. i want to know why putin gets to make all the rules. host: in what way? what rule has he made that we abide by? caller: nato stay out of it and don't cross this line or i am going to do this or that. i was wondering about, i have a real problem with this laptop. host: we will stick to the topic of aid to ukraine in the war in ukraine. gordon in wisconsin, you oppose? caller: good morning, yes i do. host: and why? caller: i don't trust where it

is going and how it is being spent. you brought up an article where seven or 8 billion dollars worth of military equipment was left to the taliban in afghanistan. i think that was all planned out. all this does is enrich the industrial war complex. you left all this equipment and afghanistan that could have been sent to ukraine and now you want to purchase more. how much are we paying for this equipment? how come there aren't any details and how much we are paying for rifles, bullets and antitank missiles? we were paying a hundred and $50 for a light in a toilet seat.

host: there is also concern that the war in ukraine increased inflation, has had a negative impact on our economy overall and those concerns on new york times, the economies first quarter showed a decline in gdp. there is this headline in the washington times, u.s. growth negative since the first time in the pandemic. biden blames technical issues and is not afraid of a recession. the new york times, there are

fears of a recession and the wall street journal, the u.s. economy shrinks 1.4% but spending stay strong's. president biden was asked if he was concerned about a recession and here's what he had to say. >> how concerned are you about a recession? >> i am not concerned about a recession. i mean you are always concerned about recession but the gdp, 1.4% fall, we also had consumer spending and business investment increased at significant rates number one and number two, unemployment is at the lowest rate since 1970. a record 4.5 million businesses recreated last year.

we are in a situation where we have a different view then senator scott who wants to raise taxes on middle-class families and include small business owners. i think what you are seeing is in norma's growth in the country that was affected from covid. you always have to take a look, no one is predicting a recession now, some of them are predicting a recession in 2023. i am concerned about it but i know one thing, for our republican friends that are interested in doing something about economic growth, they should help us lower the deficit . they should be willing to work with us to have a tax code that is one that works and everybody

pays their fair share and they should be in a position where they should not be raising taxes on middle-class folks they should be raising taxes on those who are not paying their fair share. host: president biden on the latest economic numbers. we are asking you to tell washington on the idea of sending $33 billion in aid to ukraine. from kalamazoo, michigan, you oppose? caller: i think your listeners, some of them have alluded to what i am about to say. the power of the petrodollar and the military-industrial complex. the war in ukraine is an economic war against united

states and the russia and china. they are setting up competing systems against the dollar so it is all about the power of the dollar in the use of it. russia and china have set up the systems and trade deals with india and australia to bypass the u.s. dollar. this war is by the u.s. and nato to protect u.s. economic interest in europe. the gas deal is driven to shut up the nord stream pipelines and russia so that shifts to u.s. interest. i think your listeners know it but have not put it all together in a way that i've presented it. host: yahoo! has this headline,

dollar is king. the ascendant of the u.s. dollar is headed for the best month in a decade. a bloomberg gauge it the dollar climbed to its highest rate in years. it is clear that the u.s. dollar is king said a currency trader in singapore. it will continue to strengthen as the rest of the world does not continue to keep up with interest rate hikes. rosanne in florida, you support? caller: i agree with what your last caller said about the economics of this war.

it will benefit the united states. we will become the superpower that we once were. i do believe that we should support ukraine because we did not start this war. we did not put soldiers on the border in ukraine. we need to help ukraine because i do not want as fighting in america. i want the ward to stay over there, but i want america to come out on top which is where we will be with the guidance of our president who is doing a great job and i feel that freedom is very important. people who want freedom should be helped to have freedom. unlike our state of florida where we have a governor who professes freedom but passes

laws to stop people's freedom. host: i will leave it there roseann. coming up this weekend, it is though white house correspondents dinner and c-span is the best place to watch it. if you cannot watch it live you can watch it on demand on our video app c-span now. you can go to c-span org to watch the red carpet arrivals and it is hosted by trevor noah. you can watch all your favorite moments from past dinners. we have your unfiltered view of washington happening this saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. you can watch it on c-span or the video app or on our web site. susan in seattle. on the idea of sending money to

ukraine. caller: we have given them too much. how, germany has given them less than estonia. this is the richest country in the world. we should stop the oil. president trump ward them that we would be beholden to russia because of oil. russia is now cutting off belarus and pollen. poland. we should open the keystone pipeline and we have to take care of our border here.

i was watching may orchids yesterday. orkas yesterday and i feel like this country is going to the dogs. i feel that our next war will be with china. what happens if we give all of our arms to ukraine? we need to listen to mcconnell because china is next in line and they are inco hoots with russia. what about the arms in afghanistan, maybe they are giving their weapons to russia. host: where the military aid to ukraine comes from. and susan, they are referencing germany giving less than the country of estonia.

let's go to houston, texas. you support? caller: good morning. i have a couple of things i want to talk to you about. i support president biden i think he is doing an excellent job. number two, you have to be careful of money. people think there is an infinite amount of money and they will keep begging for money. how much money did we give afghanistan? when president biden took that money from afghanistan, they dropped the guys. when they stopped sending that money, they gave all the weapons away. we have to be careful of that. one other thing, let's talk about that saudi prince. he gave jared kushner to billion dollars. host: here is russ in california

with the text. biden keeps sending billions while america suffers inflation. while america needs relief, we don't have enough money. gas is still six dollars here in california. next from manassas, virginia. caller: i definitely oppose, mainly because what about the student loan debt. i believe that congress brought it up again and that joe biden was saying he does not want to forgive up to $50,000 in student loan debt. you can even help your own american people here, especially the ones that went to school like me and we have student loan debt. but you want student to pass another bill to give 30 billion

to another country when people are hurting here. i am definitely oppose to that. host: biden rolls out forgiving 50,000 of student loan debt. he was asked about it at the white house when he announced his request for 33 billion more to ukraine. he was asked by a reporter about student debt relief. you can watch the whole thing on our website, journal@c-span.org. you support, tony? caller: i think we need to support democracy around the world. i think everybody needs to look at the bigger picture about the money. the people of both parties are being misled so much about all of this money being spent.

people are getting money for rent, people getting money for child care. and then the next article says that businesses are shutting down but the money are supposed to be getting earmarked for these people to pay their rent and buy their food. it seems like everybody has no money now and i think the big picture is that the money is being funneled into places where we don't even know it is going. the same way with the 33 billion. all of these people, all of these congressmen are going to take this money for their districts and will have nothing to do with supporting ukraine and nobody realizes that because everybody hears what they want to hear from their democratic side, the news and the republicans want to hear from their republican part of the news.

where is the trillions, both presidents, not just biden, trump spent trillions also. nobody got the help that they were promised. our system is broken. people are divided in the people need to get together on both sides and hold these people responsible somehow and i think it is going to be polarized forever in the united states and it is sad. one other thing, they were talking on the news about the state of west virginia paying child care, 400 dollars and then they were going to shut down to veterans hospitals. host: michael in florida, you oppose? caller: it seems like defense spending is only proposed by democrats, i know we spend a lot

of money on defense. when trump was building his border wall, he said mexico would pay for it and that did not help it. he had to take a billion dollars out of defense and put it towards the border wall and they fought him for two years. and now, we have all kind of people coming into the country and some of them are on the terrorist watch list. they just let them in on parole and they are not even following it. we cannot absorb that many people. not that we should not help people, but asylum is someone who wants to come who was being persecuted.

this year numbers are amazing. if you think about the $1 billion that we fought for border wall, that could solve some of the problems on the southern border. host: we will be talking about immigration issues, mark krikorian will be joining us. we will talk about the debate on capitol hill. he was up there testifying and we covered that testimony on c-span. we will talk about that issue with him on the pentagon spending, the wall street journal notes that the military spending is set to rise with the biden administration requesting more spending. we shared with you that the

pentagon is struggling to replenish its stocks. james in weaverville, north carolina. you support an extra 33 billion. caller: i support the helping ukraine. i was comparing the money that we spent in iraq and afghanistan. that was a couple of trillion dollars. i totally support it, thank you. host: marshall, you are opposed in florida. caller: i oppose it. where are we going to get the 33 billion when we are already $30

trillion in debt. we cannot keep giving money out when we can even support the the people in america. host: would you support raising taxes on the richest americans? caller: we would have the money if we kept it at home instead of spending it all on equipment and spending money on where it does not belong. it belongs in the united states. our military can't get enough equipment but we are giving it to other countries. this is really sad for this country. when you take $30 trillion, where did we get that money from? did we borrow it from china and have china own this country? they own part of it as it is. i don't want to live in a communist country. i don't know about the rest of the people.

but the tax paid host: let's hear from jeff in massachusetts to suit its more money for ukraine stop caller: people need to look into the history books and find out what is going on. they decided to take the ukraine and get rid of their nuclear weapons and we would protect them. they got rid of their nuclear weapons and now we are protecting them and everyone is upset about it. host: dayton, ohio, you pose, tell us why? caller: yes, good morning. long live c-span. ukraine belongs to russia. all the border countries over there do. we have nothing to do with that stuff mr. pruden has pointed out

that the people over their bunch of neo-nazis. host: let's go to diana in florida who opposes. good morning. caller: i'm going to be honest with you, i couldn't get through. anytime the phone answered it got cut off for time so forgive me, i support people calling in. a lot of them are not old enough to remember world war ii not old enough to remember what happened with hitler's and pruden is another hitler's. we cannot stand by. people stood by back then and millions of people were murdered. we cannot stand by this time and watch while putin continues to murder all of these people. we have to stand up stop it's not about gas, is not about student loans, it's about protecting the life of the

babies, the women, the men. it's about supporting them like we did not do early on in world war two. it's got to be done. don't be selfish. we've got to protect these people. thank you. host: we are going to take a break and when we come back, we will go by the american -- we will be talking with the american federation of teachers union president to discuss strategy on public schools and what's happening across the country and communities and later, we will be joined live from texas near the border with mexico. we will have the executive director for the center of immigration studies to discuss president biden's immigration policy, stay with us. >> c-span is unfiltered coverage of the u.s. response to russia's invasion of ukraine, bringing you the latest from the present and other white house officials, the pentagon and the state

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>> you can find the weekly on c-span now, our free mobile app or wherever you get your outcasts. desk your podcasts. >> "washington journal" host: we are back with randy weingarten from the american federation of teachers. let's begin with congress yesterday. the education secretary was testifying before lawmakers about presidents budget request for 2023. what did you hear that you liked from the education secretary? guest: the education secretary, it's a -- he is a great educator and he has a way of explaining the budget request in real terms. then regular folks who are in

schools and parents and teachers can understand if instead of talking about it in ways that don't feel acceptable. he talked about how we help our kids after a two-year pandemic recover and thrive. what are the pieces of the budget that are aimed to do that? have to kids in public schools are poor and there is a federal program called title i that started with johnson that essentially says let's make sure the kids who are poor, white kids who are poor, black and brown kids in cities that are poor, lots of people remember having to fill out lunch forms and that's how you know whether the schools get extra money. that title i money, they want to grow it by a billion dollars so

that we lower class sizes and get more guidance and professionals can help kids and supplement and tutor them. that's one of the things i thought was important stop another piece that's important is we have a mental health crisis right now and some of it is because of the pandemic and a lot of it started before the pandemic but the pandemic had tremendous disruption for kids. even kids who schools were open really early, there is tremendous disruption in their lives. then social media has a lot more disruption in a lot more anger that is focused on kids. how do you get more social/emotional help in the schools? the budget proposes about $500 million more for something

called community schools. when you wrap services around the school, you make sure like in cincinnati, ohio, that we are helping these kids in parents and answering questions and we are making sure that schools can be the hub of the community. those are a couple of the things , special needs kids. we need to make sure we are helping special needs kids in every way we can and that was a program that was started in the 70's it was never funded the way it was supposed to be funded. there is funding for that as well. those were many of the things that he said yesterday, what's the funding that actually addresses the needs that kids have and how do we deal with them? we talked about teacher shortages. we have huge teacher shortages right now going into next year.

he talked about what we need to do to make our profession attractive so that people come into the profession and stay. host: we want to invite our viewers to join this conversation with randy weingarten and here is how we have divided the lines, parents and students 748-8000748-8001 and all other lines are80 and02 you can text us. let's talk about parental rights in school and that's debate happening across the country. i want to get your reaction to florida governor ron desantis trucking -- talking about a law, a measure signed into law called parental rights in education bill.

here he is expanding it. [video clip] >> today we will sign the parents rights in education bill. this takes three main steps. first, the bill prohibits classroom instruction about sexuality or things like transgender in k-3 classrooms and at the third rate, those curriculum need to be age-appropriate. at the beginning of every school year, parents will be notified about health care services offered at the school with the right to decline any service offered. [applause] finally, this bill ensures whenever health training is given to our young students, parents receive it first and give permission for the school to give it to their child. there has been a lot of discussion about this particular piece of legislation. you have seen a lot of sloganeering by leftist

politicians and activists and corporate media. you still see it even today after this stuff has been debunked. it's true that many of the people helped whip this up of never read the bill and haven't taken the time to do that when we rather further their narrative. i must tell you, these leftist politicians, corporate media outlets in some of these activist groups actually have read the bill. they are sloganeering because they don't want to admit that they support a lot of the things we are providing protections against. for example, they support sexualizing kids in kindergarten. they support injecting woke gender ideology into second grade classrooms. they support enabling schools to transition students to a different gender without the knowledge of the parents, much less without the parents consent. what they are doing with these slogans and narratives is they are trying to camouflage their

true intentions. they know and every hole that reads language in the bill will find overwhelmingly americans oppose injecting this type of material into the classroom of young kids. american support the right of parents to be informed and be able to withhold consent over certain types of medical treatment in school. host: randy weingarten, your reaction to the bill and the governor? guest: i have been a teacher and parent and a student advocate for a long time. parents obviously have not only rights to that they are there children's first teacher and they are there children's advocate and they have to do everything we can to support parents as they support their kids. the same is true in terms of

teachers. we have to do everything we can to support teachers as they support children. you heard governor the real push by governor desantis. this is to divide parents and teachers and parents from schools. you heard him at the end of what he said which is he's really taking on children's freedom to be and to learn and what these bills are doing across america is stopping supporting us as teachers for eating the needs of kids, kids who come to us who may be a trans kid who trying to decide what their sexual identity is, what this bill does

and i've read it, it basically threatens the teachers that the teacher can't actually engage the kid in conversation. a kindergarten teacher in florida who happens to be gay loved by his children has the picture of his partner up and he got threatened and bullied. one of the parent groups came to his aid and assistance. what's happening is i don't know why ron desantis is scared of us actually trying to help kids see who they are and have the freedom to learn and the freedom to be? i don't know why he is scared about us talking about slavery and teaching about slavery. i don't know why he scared about us talking about the holocaust

and teaching that. i would rather all of these things get done in an age-appropriate way in a school under the guidance of a teacher who knows what they are doing as opposed to it being done on the internet. this is the same kind of political propaganda that starts hate and derision and polarization and it's really hurtful and harmful to kids. ultimately, we are seeing school board elections across the country where this has become the thing, the way in which to define and so distrust. people who are pro-public education are winning and people that we believe we should have a heart and empathy and those

people are winning school board elections. we need guidance stuff to deal with we help teach kids, how we help accelerate learning. those of the things we should be doing and what he is doing is getting rid of words that have empathy and it will step what is he afraid of? why is he using kids politically in this kind of way? host: let's get to our viewers, north carolina, you are an educator, what grade? caller: i am actually retired after 35 years. i am joining every moment of it. i actually talk is. i'm amazed at ms. weingarten. the last time she was on, she complained about needing funding constantly. this time, she is complaining

about needing funding constantly. i really wish, and this is a statement/question. how about teaching the students critical thinking skills? reading, writing, arithmetic and stop with the social engineering scenarios? i thank you and i will take your answer off the air. guest: i could do the answer either way but i agree with you, we have to teach about critical thinking. we have to teach kids how to think and not what to think. that's what i hope i did all the time. i was asked the question about the president budget and i'm not sure -- i was trying to be responsive to the question. i don't know weary taught but thank you for teaching for 35

years. i appreciate that and thank you for teaching kids. i taught in brooklyn. when i taught, we had to scavenge for chalk. we need to have all kinds of material in school. we ended up as a union, making sure about 800 people, it hundred school teachers this year, look at the needs that school teachers have. on march 4, we decided to fulfill every teachers request who was trying to get math and some other supplies for the kids. it would be great if school systems did this instead of teachers reaching into their own pockets. they do that all the time, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and i bet you did as well. that's the kind of stuff that

professions do for their workers but we don't. we have to reach into her own pockets. money is an issue but not everywhere. thankfully, if you want to reduce to small classes so you have 20 kids in a class? money is an issue. you want to have up-to-date textbooks and up-to-date internet materials and wi-fi, money is an issue. those are the kinds of things that we are talking about. money well spent has to be our standard but money is an issue. host: ellen in minneapolis -- caller: hi there. nice to see you this morning. my daughter is a teacher and she's been a teacher for nine years and had covid twice and has long-haul symptoms because of it. i am wondering -- it's hard breaking to actually see what

educators go through with respect to who they are. she said the kids were great through all of this but parents were horrible. they were abusive at times. of course, she came close to quitting. she loves teaching. she is great at teaching reading which is fundamental. she's got a union that is completely senseless. how in the world can we actually bring some respect to educators in this country finally? is it finding a way to pay them for what they do? it is so frustrating to watch her struggle financially, watch her struggle the debt she has to get into to actually teach and

then witness the whole -- just the verbal abuse from people all over this country about teachers. it's like they thought they were babysitters or something. during covid, it was so disheartening. host: i will jump in and have randi weingarten respond to you. guest: if you want to text me or email me afterwards and me to reach out your daughter, i would love to. please, give her a virtual hug from me. one out of five educators have long covid. number one, during much of the disruptive time from april, 2020

i know the right wing undermines what i try to say but from april 2020, aft put out a bunch of rules questioning how we open schools or in person learning and how do we keep things safe? both of those things are really important. as the twists and turns of this pandemic happened, we really tried to do everything the experts said. i try to listen to what the experts were saying about this very terrible violence that has affected -- virus that has affected people differently. schools this year, this school year has been open essentially 99% of the time.

gets to about 95% during the pe ri of omicron. od that was because we didn't have the personnel. that was different than the first year of the pandemic when schools were open about -- they were closed from march-june and then they were open from september through february. you have to give this current administration some credit for really trying to get us to keep things open. but still, there has been an effect. people have gotten sick. there are kids whose parents are no longer alive because their parents got sick. communities of color were disproportionately affected. what's happened is that schools,

health care in schools tended to be the places where we were trying to help not only the trauma but the intense trauma and dealing with these issues of death and being the lifeline. i'm not surprised that we had people who were traumatized and are agitated and are angry. because that's with a two-year pandemic the two people. i'm sorry that your daughter has had to do with this. i have heard the story a lot about the kids who were great and parents were scared. you've got to have grace and empathy for everyone. we have to create a safe and welcoming environment stop in terms of your daughter and in terms of the way with this environment is, you heard it from what desantis said earlier in this interview.

the level of polarization and the divisiveness in order to win political points are wrong stop we need to help teachers have the conditions they need to teach. we need to help them. that way they can stay in the profession and we need to make sure we do that in a way that helps lift everyone up regardless of where they are in the country. with the union has done is we have pushed to fix public service forgiveness and we have a program called summer so if you daughter is a member of our union, we make sure that she has this navigator of hope. i will help her anyway regardless if you get to me. if we can connect through c-span because i want to help her. that's what unions do. we have a program about reading

opens the world. we are giving out a million books so the kids see themselves in teachers across the country have said this is one of the ways to create the joy of teaching and the joy of learning. number three, we are doing a lot of stuff. watch for tuesday about teacher appreciation day and we will have a program in july about how we make is profession which is the key to all other professions and all other work make it valued. host: randy in georgia, you are a parent, good morning. guest: and i'm a democrat as well. caller: tell ms. weingarten, she is the biggest liar on tv. instead of letting her take up

all the time, don't let her talk all the time. host: explain your accusation. guest: do you have a question for me? caller: i don't like you. i don't like the union. host: why do you say that? caller: you want to steal the kids money and you want more and you don't educate them. you indoctrinate them and you are brain dead so you need to cut her off. host: you have heard this criticism before i'm sure. the money that goes to unions, how is the money spent? guest: i don't know if that was the question he was asking me that this is the propaganda war that is so damaging and the disinformation war that is so damaging. money that goes to unions, any money that he union gets from its members and the members

voluntarily become members of the union. we actually have reporting requirements that are more extensive than any reporting requirements than a corporation has an those recording requirements are out for everyone to see every single year. the membership makes the decision about whether it wants to be a member. i'm not sure i understand with the gentleman's intention is but it's this kind of level of anger at the other. i'm sorry he is that angry. i don't quite understand why. what unions do is we try to look at what starbucks is trying to do and actually help people get a better wage, better benefits,

better health care, retirement security. paid sick leave, we try to make sure they can do better in their kids do better, that's what unions do. we work with civil rights groups we were to make the world better in the two things in life that help create empowerment and agency for folks is basically education and unions. that's what we try to do. there is a lot of this level of dissembling from people who have never been in unions. if you look at the data, when unions were at their highest point in the 50's and 60's and 70's, there were more people in the middle class.

corporations try to undermine unions they been pretty successful -- successful at it but there is a resurgence now. if the polling means anything, 65% of the public are favorable to unions. if they could have a union, they want it. i've been in a hundred schools and it's important to being with kids and be with educators right now in terms of how we help recover from this pandemic and how we help kids learn. what i am saying is people seeing with the power of unions bring to actually lift up real issues and make sure that people can have a better life. host: in new york, an educator, what rate? guest: caller: i'm a retired

middle school teacher i didn't teach long because i realized i needed to stay home and educate my kids. this woman deserves an academy award. the fact that she is a union leader, she advocates for teachers, not kids. she wants to make sure teachers work less and make more money. the school system is so broken, it's not even funny. the first thing teachers want to know is when i get tenure because then they can sit at the desk and play with their phone. where i live, the teachers are making $120,000. this myth that teachers don't get paid much, maybe in the midwest it's true but not in new york stop the other thing they want to do is exclude charter schools because they don't want competition because they want to keep this racket going. everybody should watch the movie superman because this woman is

not authentic. host: randy weingarten? guest: what a morning this morning. let me just say that i actually run a charter school. i started the charter school in the rocks. you may have heard about it because one of her kids was walking home a couple of weeks ago and was killed. on the streets of new york stop it's one of the best schools in new york city. charter schools were actually started by al shanker, one of my predecessors. what we wanted to do is to get out of the bureaucracy. what's happening with charters now is many of the people who are doing charters are supporting them and don't want them to compete with public schools as opposed to wanting to lift up all schools. what we want is to lift up all schools. that's number one, number two is

the nea puts out a survey every year about teacher salaries. the average teacher salary in the country is about $41,000 which is about 20% less than what people could be making with the same skills in other jobs. you are right, those of us in new york really pushed when i was a teachers union president in new york city, we really pushed and tried to lift salaries up in six years, we were able to negotiate with michael bloomberg some salary increases so we list of salaries in new york, new york city even, about 43% stop if somebody worked for 20 some odd years, they would make over $100,000. you and i both know because we work in new york, we want

teachers to actually live in the places in which they work and be members of the community and to lift up wages everywhere. that's what we try to do. teaching is the most important profession of all. i hope you come back to it. you sound really passionate even though you disagree with everything i do. i talked to teachers all the time and they work really hard. they really care about kids. i'm sorry you have had some bad experiences but the lion share of teachers care and make a difference in the lives of kids. i hope we all honor them. host: bob in humboldt, texas, you are next. caller: thank you, i want to join in and the group that's telling you we don't agree with you.

there is 50% of america that you do not represent. teachers unions and you in particular support only one political side of the spectrum. your problems are manifest and identified by the call letters. it seems that teachers unions are only concerned with feathering the nest of the actual teachers. getting them more money or time or for whatever, not the students. the evidence of that is your strong push during the pandemic to keep students out of schools. a true teacher and most of the teachers that wanted to teach one of their students back in school. and states like florida where you denigrate the governor and all the people in florida that support him have shown that having the students back in school was the best thing. host: let's take your last

point. guest: i agree that having students back in school was the best thing. we tried to make it safe. the issue about teachers, teachers what -- what would kids need and you can't separate out what a teacher does and the kids need. in a classroom, what you are trying to do every single day is to lift up kids and help them learn. what a teachers union does is they actually support teachers and they support the students. what we are seeing around the country is people who see who teachers are are very supportive of them. teachers are trying to do everything they can to support kids during the pandemic and

trying to accelerate learning and trying to meet the emotional and social needs. this is the propaganda war we are up against all the time that something is said a lot and gets the bunker but it said over and over again on fox or other places and that's what you are hearing today. from april-2020 have been trying to figure out how to open schools and how we make them safe for everyone. you just heard one of the speakers earlier in the day or early in the hour talk about how one out of five teachers have covid. her daughter has long covid which is really hard. over the course of time, we have an obligation to make sure we keep our workplaces safe and

obligation to lift up students. host: port charlotte, florida, sue is a parent. caller: good morning. the problem is, we no longer trust our public school system. number one, in regards to the union, we saw the union members put on blue t-shirts and register only democrats to vote. we also saw teachers allow children to get out of school to go protest black lives matter. i hope there were permission slips on that one. if there is a gender issue in the classroom, you notify the parents. what i need to know from you is my question, where do we send

curriculum requests? you have to have those in before you can opt out of anything your teachers want to sell our children. host: randy weingarten? guest: i'm not quite sure i understand the question. every school system is different. when i was a teacher, my first day of teaching, i would do a contract with my kids and we would talk about what the curriculum was and is for the year or for the semester. we taught semester by semester. i would ask them to talk to their parents and i would ask them to sign the contract. i try to actually make sure that what i was going to teach that semester kids knew, parents new and it was pretty transparent

because i needed parents help. i needed parents to help support our kids when we were debating. i think every single school system has some way of making sure that parents know whether curriculum is because that's wharton's and that parents are our partners. this is about teaching kids. it's about kids being critical thinkers and it's about making sure kids have the freedom to learn and that they have the freedom to think. i'm not sure, i'm sure there are some places where there is a different protocol for what to do but curriculum in k-12 is basically set by the state. then we have some very limited discretion about what we do in

terms of how to teach it. host: to her point about politics, is it a mistake or teachers and the unions to be involved in politics and political races around election time? guest: in a democracy, everyone should be involved in politics and political races and everyone should have a right of free association. you see right now what politicians are doing to try to curb the teaching of honest history, to try to -- to try to limit -- this is not new for education, you can go back to the scopes trial and the politics of teaching science and things like that.

i would argue whatever people are whether they are democrats or republicans are independent, for democracy to work, everyone has to be involved. host: in silver spring, what do you teach? caller: i am a retired teacher 40 years and i'm still in the education business since i retired. i want to address these critics that are calling in. host: mute your television real quick and then we will listen through your phone. caller: ok, just a second. what i want to say is the same people that are calling in need to look back in their past and see who taught them reading, writing and math. they are so highly critical of teachers but they really don't know what teachers are doing. a teacher is a counselor, a teacher is a social worker, a teacher is an advocate for their students. these critics need to visit the

schools and see for themselves how hard teachers are working. the union has been an advocate for teachers for many years. i feel very resentful for people to come on and criticized unions that have been helping and supporting teachers for decades. that's all i have to say. host: randy weingarten? guest: amen. host: ohio -- caller: thank you for taking my call. as i've said here and listening, many people stole my thunder concerning her position and whether she is representing the union first or representing the children first. obviously, is representing the union first which is fine, that's what she does. i will ask this question and i think i know what the answer will be. i believe that the states should take control of the education

and that the money should follow the children. in the federal department of education is so politicized as the unions are politicized as she has stated that they hinder the performance of teaching the kids properly. if the union was concerned about the better education of children, they would devote more of their money to making sure that children grow up and up proper household with two parents that are the base and foundation for quality education for the kids in the future. host: we are running out of time but the idea that the money comes from the states and the policy comes from the states and the money follows that? guest: the states to actually control education, all 50 of them. education is not in the federal constitution.

there is essentially a per child per capita that happens in terms of this. the state education is funded through basically property taxes and state funds in about 10% of it is funded by the federal government through these civil rights act like title i. the federal government's department of education is a civil rights agency. states to actually fund it. they basically say what kids need and they raise property taxes on that behalf. it's not a great way of funding. it should be dishes should be funded by the state itself instead of by property taxes. they basically control it so i'm not sure i understand the

question. host: randy weingarten, if you want to learn more about the organization, you can follow on twitter at aft union. thank you for the conversation this morning. guest: thank you. host: when we come back, joining his life from texas near the mexican border will be mark kr ikorian from the center for immigration studies. after that, more of your calls and comments. >> american history tv saturdays on c-span2, exploring the people and events that tell the american story. at 1 p.m. eastern county discussion on the advanced placement u.s. history exam with

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brownsville and various communities. this is the farthest south and east part of the border, the end of the rio grande before it empties into the gulf of mexico. what we have seen is lots of border walls, lots of law enforcement we talked to that have said this is really the worst they have seen it. the border patrol agents are saying they are detaining 1000 people per night, in one section off this southern part of the border. this is the busiest part of the u.s.-mexico border now step they are just terrified about what might happen. if and when this title 42 rule that is related to covid is lifted.

it was supposed to be lifted may 23 and it allows border patrol to turn people back without hearings or anything. about half of the illegal immigrants they catch are expelled that way. it looks like from a judge's order come it might not be listed until later. it is going to end at some point and it's not clear that dhs prepared or interested in actually stopping the enormous expansion of the flow of who we will see when that happens. host: said the border agents are saying is the worst they've ever seen why? who is coming across? guest: there is basically two kinds of people coming across. one are usually families for taking advantage of the administration's lack of policy to turn themselves in.

they are not polluting the border patrol, they are classing illegally -- they are crossing illegally and flagging down border agents and get processed. we went by one of the processing centers but side from the outside. then they are -- they take their pictures and are given some paperwork and they are dropped off at the bus station were the airport to join their relatives who often funded their smuggling routes to begin with. that's roughly about half the illegals that are coming across the border and the other half of people who don't want to be but will step they actually have easier time of succeeding. the ones who get by are called gonna ways. dhs has a not infallible but

pretty good way of tracking that because there is lots of cameras now. even if the border patrol doesn't get somebody, they often will know the person didn't pass and will see the person and where they went. problem is and the reason they often don't get caught is border patrol has been so overwhelmed by processing these illegal immigrants who are turning themselves in in order to make baseless asylum claims that there were often stretches of the border that have nobody patrolling them. it's easier for the second group, the ones you don't want to be apprehended, to actually get away with it as well as drugs or any other contraband to get through. the border is much -- is less well patrolled than it was before this search and so-called asylum-seekers. host: i want you to respond to

the homeland security testifying earlier this week who defended his agency's record on the border. [video clip] >> we inherited a broken and dismantled system that is already under strain. is not built to manage their current levels and types of migratory flows, only congress can fix this. yet we have effectively managed an unprecedented number of noncitizens seeking to enter the united states and interdicted more drugs and disrupted more smuggling operations than ever be. a significant increase in migrant encounters will strain our system further we will address this challenge successfully but it will take time and we need the partnership congress, state and local officials, ngos and communities to do so step to build on our ongoing work, we have requested funding to hire 300 new border patrol agents, the first increase since 2011.

this will ensure the safe and humane flow of migrants and operation -- operationalize a new rule. we are resting additional funding to counter human and drug smuggling operations in combat the heinous crimes of child exploitation and human trafficking stop goods produced by forced labor from entering our markets. our mission set includes a series of other priorities. dhs, through the cybersecurity infrastructures he agency, protects her full infrastructure from malicious cyber act pivoted, a threat due to russia's unprovoked and brutal invasion of ukraine. our budget will expand our cybersecurity services both through our ability to respond to cyber intrusions and monitor our operational activities. our budget invest in paying the tsa dedicated personnel

commensurate with their federal colleagues and ensuring they receive employment protection. host: markkrikorian? guest: he highlighted how the department of homeland security is dealing with too many things. we need to have separate departments dedicated to the immigration issue whether his enforcement for its green cards or the whole thing. there needs to be a department of immigration. otherwise you end up with immigration being lost amidst all these other things. the huge increase in the number of people coming across the border, they came up with encounters. it's apprehensions of illegal

immigrants. it's due the administration's own policies. the administration has requested less money in the budget that secretary touted stop less money for detaining illegal immigrants holding onto them until they're hearing to make sure they don't run away. the administration has drastically reduced deportations including deportations of criminals from inside the country. and it has expanded the grounds it gives asylum to illegal immigrants who ultimately would get citizenship. all of which put together at up to an incredible incentive for people who want to move to the united states but have no right to do so to do it illegally, turn themselves in once they cross the border and then they will be let go. at the end of the day, if they get turned down for asylum and

most will, even under the new rule that the put in, many of these people be rejected for asylum. their claims do not meet the standards of the law. there is zero chance under this administration that any of them will be made to go home. what it boils down to is if you can get across the border, especially if you have a child with you, you have a very high chance of being released into the u.s. and once that happens, you have a very high chance, almost a certainty, that you will be able to stay here the rest of your life stop that kind of incentive means there will be in a norms number of people trying to come across no matter what you do which is why border security has to happen at the border with fences and all the rest of it but has to happen inside the country by weakening

the incentives that would draw people to illegally cross the country. this administration is creating the conditions for lots of people to come across the border . host: before we get to calls, remind viewers of the mission of your organization and what your group needs to be gone. guest: eric gripp is the center for immigration studies -- our center -- our group is the center for immigration studies. we don't tell people to call their congressman but our goal is public education and migration in error motto is fewer warmer. think immigration law needs to

be better and question immigration laws need to be changed in order to dial back on the level of immigration. we take one million plus illegal immigrants in an ordinary year. conditions have changed in the world and in the united states. we have different economy. we have welfare state. all kinds of things mean that immigration, which is a federal government program, after all, like the air force or farm subsidies, needs to be downsized from the levels of one million plus a year illegal immigrants we are taking in. host: peter in new york, republican. you are up first, go ahead. caller: good morning. mark, appreciate everything you're doing. unfortunately this is an effort in few tillity. president biden said during his campaign that this is exactly what he was going to do.

i hear republicans and conservative news outlets how the american people don't want this. this is what they voted for. president trump had a fight -- had to fight tooth and nail to get money to support the border. there are only a handful of republicans who really are against all this illegal immigration coming over. even down in texas, governor abbott is going through this kabuki process where he's putting military on the border, which isn't doing anything. i believe that governor abbott can stop this on his border if he really wanted to because under the constitution if the federal government fails to do its job, the state has the right to protect its border. this is all phony. most republicans, even matt gaetz said that. most republicans are in favor of all this illegal immigration --

host: take that point, peter. guest: i appreciate the caller's sentiment. first of all despair is a sin. it's never over. this can, in fact, be dealt with. and -- in defense of governor abbott, and i'm not a voter in texas so i don't have a dog in this fight, there is a limit to what states can do. the governor has been doing a number of different things, like he said, there's been texas national guard on the border. we have run into them all week every day, practically. there is a limit to what they can do. they can't usually arrest people. they can call the border patrol. they are extra eyes and ears. the other thing that the governor did that i think hasn't gotten as much attention is he essentially shut down truck traffic across the border bridges from mexico. that is enormous amount of truck traffic coming across. he used his power to do safety

inspections to do that. and immediately the mexican governors on the other side, texas border's on four mexican states, rushed to austin to sign agreements with texas that the mexican states on their side would do what they can to slow illegal immigration. maybe it won't work. maybe they are not telling the truth. the fact is the governor is doing what he can. if the majority in congress were to change next year, as is likely, as least in the house of representatives, there is, again, some more that republicans at the national level would be able to do. ultimately the root cause of this border crisis is sitting in the oval office. as the caller kind of suggested. people didn't necessarily vote for that because neither president trump nor candidate biden ever really talked about immigration during the campaign.

it simply wasn't. it's going to be an issue this november and likely an issue in 2024. then we'll see what the electorate thinks about it. host: in chicago, sharon, independent. caller: hi. i'm in the chicagoland area. it's kind of sad. hospitals are overwhelmed with just lost looking people. it's very sad. a lot of people wandering around just kind of living at truck stops and it looks like they are living around the hospital. it's very, very sad. i want to help both democrats and republicans understand that as a white person or whatever i get so offended about white plight and white supremacy crap. you need to understand it's a culture clash.

any time -- america was formed. everyone stayed in their groups. jewish group, chinese group. everyone had their similar cultures. i think our united states was built by cultures. the white european culture is very old. i don't want -- most families were here after the turn of the century or so, 1880. host: your point? caller: well, we have no connection to slavery whatsoever. we don't -- it's not a hatred of other kinds of people. you are used to your culture when there is another culture coming to your area it's very hard. i feel bad for them. that's all i want to say. thank you. host: mark krikorian. guest: i'm not sure there was -- if i get an immigration policy point out of that it's that newcomers of any kind coming to a different place are themselves have a hard time fitting in.

the community has a harder time fitting the newcomers into it. which is one of the reasons whoever they are, wherever they are going, immigration needs to be at a low level so that both the newcomers can successfully fit in and the community can successfully integrate them. when you take too many people, whoever they are, wherever they go, it becomes hard for everybody to fit together and get along. so a more moderate level of immigration is better for those people who end up coming. and for the communities that they end up going to. host: michael in grand rapids, michigan, democratic caller. caller: hi. two things. one, remember immigration laws were put into place, minorities out of the united states. starting with the chinese and later on anybody not from western europe, pretty much. my question for you is, what is

congress actually doing about the problem? i don't see them making any suggestions. another thing, you -- it was mentioned the immigration -- number of employees hasn't changed since the 1970's, i believe -- 2005 or earlier. there are not enough employees to apply all these -- ideas you are putting forth in terms of controlling the border. there is not enough employees to control the border. host: understood that point. sorry. phaoeupblly, what? caller: to my understanding the united states as the result of more immigrants, they prosper. the united states prospers with more immigrants not fewer immigrants. thank you. guest: the fact is that our

economy does get bigger with more immigration. that's just almost like -- if you have more people, the economy is bigger. there is no question about that. the question is, do the people who are here before do better themselves individually when there is more immigration? that's not clear. the national academies of sciences did this huge report on this a few years back. what they found was like any government policy immigration creates winners and losers. some people benefit. other people don't. and the -- what they found without going into the whole long spiel is that there is a small net benefit to the country from immigration. the pluses and minuses, you put them together, it end up being a relatively small plus. the problem is that the minus part, the people who pay the cost of immigration are the least able to do so. the poorest and least skilled people in our country experience

a reduction in their earnings while everyone else in the country experiences a very slight increase. when you put it all together it comes out to be a small benefit. but it's a benefit that is the result, if you will, of a reverse robin hood policy, mass immigration is a reverse hobin hood policy -- robin hood policy that impoverishes those least able to take it. and get a little bit of benefit to the whole society. if you think that's ok and there are people who do, business, lobbyists, what have you, fine. be honest and say t i don't think it's right to harm the poor in order for everyone else to get a very small net benefit. host: on congress, mark krikorian, hi question about what they are doing. le i'm curious what your group

could agree to in some sort of bipartisan immigration overhaul, something many congresses and many presidents have talked about for years. guest: the problem -- congress hasn't passed meaningful immigration legislation in a long time. and that's not because they are all lazy or stupid or anything like that. it's because there is there is fundamental disagreement about immigration. when you look at congress, that disagreement isn't all that clearly between republicans and democrats. that's why the talk of a bipartisan solution doesn't really mean anything. what the past bipartisan proposals that were championed by president george w. bush and president obama that failed is that they were democrats who supported high immigration and loose enforcement of the borders, joining with republicans who supported high immigration and loose enforcement of the borders. it was bipartisan in that they had different letters after

their names. there was no compromise in any meaningful sense. they just got together to promote higher immigration and looser enforcement. the problem is that they fail over and over again because immigration broadly described, in other words the whole issue, isn't really as much a right-left issue as some people think as it is an up-down issue. where our leadership classes, whether they are in politics, business, academia, media, what have you, elites, that's become a loaded term, our leadership classes have one view, which is more immigration is better. and order should be relatively loose. whereas the public, again much of the public across the spectrum believes that immigration probably should be somewhat lower, and that order should be tighter. that's the disagreement.

the up-down disagreement that matters in politics, the right-left disagreement is what you see -- what people talk about in congress but just isn't as relevant as a lot of people think. host: pennsylvania, democratic caller. caller: two points. i understand that an immigration law almost passed in 2013-2014. i wish that c-span or this gentleman would comment on what was in that bill. could we tweak it? do we have to reinvent the wheel? the second point is, he keeps saying that the problem is in the oval office. i believe that president biden is following the international amnesty laws. he doesn't have a choice. international law says when someone comes to your border you

have to give them a chance to request amnesty. could he comment on those two points. thank you. guest: let me touch on the first one. what was in the bill in 2013-2014. that was the gang of eight bill for those of you who were following along at the time. it was very similar to the bill under -- several bills under president bush that also failed. what the gang of eight bill, which is now what is the seven or eight, nine years ago would have done would have been to legalize, to amnesty illegal immigrants who are here in eubgs change for or combined with huge increases in future immigration. that's one of the reasons it failed. public opinion polling shows that there actually is broad

support for legalizing amnesty. people who have been here a long time. have put down roots. and aren't murderers, drug tkaoerls. i frankly support something like that under some conditions myself. that doesn't ask the important question. which is, if we legalize the people who are here, what about -- will there be another amnesty? will enforcement be sufficient to prevent future mass illegal immigration and then 10 years down the road we'll be right back where we started from. and none of the proposals that have been put forth actually address this issue. they all legalize the illegal immigrants first, and then promise that in the future they will enforce the law better. that was the same model that the 1986 amnesty bill, way back under president reagan, which actually did pass, the same model. what happened is the illegal immigrants all got their legal

status. and the enforcement never happened. the trail of that bargain poisons immigration debate to this day. if i could touch on the second point, she was saying amnesty, what she meant was asylum. there are international asylum rules. but it depends how you interpret them and apply them. this administration has gone beyond what federal law and certainly beyond what our international agreements require. for instance, the treaty -- the international treaty, the u.n. treaty, the u.s. signed on to, that is the basis for asylum law, says that an illegal immigrant does have to be considered for asylum. you can't just say no, you don't get asylum because you are an illegal alien. but the provision of that treaty says that only applies if the person has come directly from the country where they were

being persecuted. which is to say something like a ukrainian going into poland. what we are seeing on our border is almost everyone who claims to be an asylum seeker has passed through multiple other countries where they could have and should have applied for asylum but did not. they are looking -- they are economic migrants in effect. if you passed through three, four, eight, 12 different countries before you get to the u.s. border, you are no longer really an asylum seeker. under our current policies, they still get to apply for asylum, but the administration previous to this one, the trump administration, did put in regulations to require people to apply at other countries before they got here. and those regulations have all been canceled by this administration. this administration is not --

it's not handcuffed by international rules or even national law. they are choosing to do what they are doing at the border. host: you referring to the remain in mexico policy? guest: not specifically. that's one of them. there was something called the remain in mexico policy that, again, under current federal law illegal immigrants requesting asylum, either have to be held in detention during the entire course of their proceedings until they get a decision yes or no. or they have to be made to wait outside the country. that's what the remain in mexico program. this administration, one, does not believe in detention. asked for less money for the coming year for detention. less space. and is -- tried to end the remain in mexico program, a judge stopped them from doing that, but they have only complied with that judge's order in a very small way. literally only a handful, few

hundred people have been put back into the revised remain in mexico program. the administration is still basically just letting people go once they make an asylum claim. host: the supreme court heard this case, the remain in mexico policy case, earlier this week. you can find it on our website c-span.org. newington, connecticut. independent. next. caller: good morning. are you telling me that every president that comes into that office can change the law under his say so? who makes the laws in the country? i thought that congress made the law. if somebody didn't like it it went to the supreme court. it sounds like that happens sometimes. did biden come in and say, forget all the laws that any president except me is making

and i will say that anybody who wants to come to this country if he can get to the border can come across and we will take you to any place you want to go. is that the law that joseph biden made? who makes the laws? host: we'll take the point. guest: congress obviously makes the laws. that's the way it's supposed to be. in any area of law, immigration you'll see this a lot, congress will set the rules but any add consideration has a lot of wiggle room within those rules. how do you interpret what this meant. how do you -- immigration and --

any kind of law but immigration especially the executive branch, the president and his employees, have lots of wiggle room. lots of discretion in how they implement the law. in fact sometimes they even will go beyond their authorized wiggle room. that's when you get lawsuits. there are a significant number of lawsuits against the biden administration. a new one just dropped this week from various attorneys general in a bunch of states about a rule about asylum that would make things much worse at the border. the basic point is, yes, congress establishes the framework. but the president and his subordinates are the ones who put that into effect. if you have a president who doesn't believe that immigration limits are right, are morally right. this administration does not believe that saying no to people from abroad is acceptable.

they think it's immoral to do that. there are all kind of things they can do to subsrert the law that congress passed. host: harry in pittsburgh, republican. question or comment here, go ahead. caller: there is a right way for people coming into this country. all my grandparents came from different countries. i grew up in a neighborhood where people came from italy, greece, germany, and poland. they all spoke english when they got here. my grandparents had to learn that. there are just too many. for biden, he's telling us not to believe our lying eyes we see pictures how many are coming over. all these kids are getting tossed away. they are dying. people are getting raped. what they ought to do is like they used to go. go to an embassy, apply, have it sent to america. maybe take 100,000 a year at a time. 10 years that's a million people. do it the right way.

make sure these people are educated, you know where they came from, their background. how many times people in the last few years got killed by illegal aliens coming to this country. just one in new york where a guy killed some someone. that's -- host: understood the point. i'll add to that, dave in georgia who sends a text, how many legal aliens are in the us us? 11 million or 22 million? why don't we enforce the laws we already have. no need for comprehensive immigration laws. guest: i think there probably is a need for changing the law. indeed, we need to enforce the law first. to touch on this point about the number of illegal immigrants. we actually have looked into the various estimates and we made our own estimate recently. it is something like 11, maybe 12 million. maybe if we are wrong it's 13 million. it can't be 22 million or 30 million illegal immigrants. there are some estimates like

that. we actually think they are flawed. we published on this at cis.org. without going into details, one of the reasons -- big reasons we think that these huge bigger numbers, 20 million, 30 million double or triple the current real population of illegal immigrants are not correct is that if there were that many extra people you would see it in the death records, birth records, in the school enrollment records, in the grocery store statistics. in a modern society you can't misplace 10 or 20 million people. you can misplace two or three. two or three million people. that's possible. 10 million or 20 million people you would notice. i think it's almost certain that something like 11, 11 1/2, 12 million illegal immigrants is what we have here. frankly that's plenty. that's already way more than we should have in any modern society.

we need to do a better job of enforcing immigration laws so that not only do fewer illegal immigrants come in, but more of those who are here opt to go home. both those things happen all the time. you have to sort of change the ratio so that the number coming in is less than the number leaving so that you can have gradual attrition of the illegal population over time. host: mark in tulsa, oklahoma. independent. mark. caller: hello. thanks for taking my call. good morning. third time i have called this show. let me say one thing about c-span first before i get into this. you guys, i know you look at your ratings, and i guarantee watching journal, you are getting the highest ratings you could ever wish for. when you guys show midday the lackluster congress and senate

debate over nonsense is a loser. i bet your ratings are zeroish. the messenger: we don't have ratings. host: we don't have ratings. caller: you have ratings. host: we don't. caller: come on. host: we don't have advertisement. so we don't need ratings. we just don't have them. caller: let me give your producers and idea. make this a 4/7 show where people can call in. and then start letting them show their face when they are talking. enough of that. i'm just giving you a good idea you should take it. the thing is, it's not me. it's other people suggesting it. the thing is is, sir, let's get real. you said that -- i have been listening to you the last 15, 20 minutes. you know that the more people that come into this country the better it is. if you look throughout human history, when we have -- we have been around a long time, we do

better when we don't isolate ourselves. when we isolate ourselves we get weak. you know that. you even kind of went through the propaganda. stay with the negative because the poor people get -- they have to take -- they are the one that is are getting ignored. host: mark. what is the -- in your opinion what evidence have you seen that this is good for the united states and the economy? explain that so that mark krikorian has something to respond to. caller: mr. krikorian is a master. he has all the wisdom, first of all. if you look at his title below, he ph*eulgs everything. he's the grandioseo. cut people down like you try to do, he always starts, well, if we could have a republican congress everything would be great. i'm no republican.

i'm no democrat. so both pyramid schemes of nonsense. i want to tell you something, sir, you are in the peur immediate scheme of limiting our advancement in this country because the propagation that you advance. i hear all these other people talk -- host: i'll jump in. mr. krikorian, you want to respond. guest: there's plenty to respond to. the basic point is he's saying that immigration is necessary for our advancement and our improvement. the fact is some immigration does help. other immigration doesn't. i would only point to the period from the 20's to the 70's when immigration was very low because immigration sometimes is haoeurbgs sometimes low. is high, sometimes low. is one of the periods where we actually did enormously well. we won world war ii. we had the explosion of prosperity from the fifths. we went to the moon.

none of these things had anything to do with mass immigration. the fact is that we have -- we are always going to have some immigration. isolating ourselves is not the point. the question is, do we dial it up or do we dial it down? there was an interesting story from way back in the carter administration where jimmy carter, president carter, met with the chinese leader, and he criticized china's policies that limited immigration from china. that tried to limit the number of people leaving china. said you shouldn't do t it's a violation of human rights. what have you. he looked jimmy carter in the eye and said how many do you want? 10 million, 20 million, 30 million? we got them. the fact is there is the possibility for too much immigration. if you think the number we have isn't big enough, then big another number. is there any number of

immigrants that's too much? if your answer is no, then essentially you are for unlimited immigration. let's talk about that. i don't think unlimited immigration is a good idea. vote on it. nobody else does, either. that is the -- if you will, that's the bottom line of a lot of people arguing for keeping our current immigration policy and expanding it is that they say we shouldn't have limits on immigration. i disagree. host: let's hear from anthony, easton, pennsylvania. republican. caller: yes. good morning. i like to know what your take on other republican and democratic governors setting the -- sending the national guard to the border. everybody seems to want the border secure. why don't they take some relief off of the texas national guard

and send their national guard, all these other states in the country and give some relief to texas national guard. and state of texas. guest: good question. actually several states have done that. last fall i was in a different -- i was at the other end of the texas border, up near el paso. and i encountered some florida national guard people there. there are several other states that have done the same thing. the issue, though, is there is a limit to what the national guard can do. they don't -- you are not going to be shooting people crossing the border. i'm not saying people are calling for that. that's what people are thinking about. use the military to protect the border. superficially that sounds like it should make sense. we have a military to protect the united states. the problem is, we are not going to be shooting people who aren't

armed attackers here. if not, then the national guard what they do is they are sort of eyes and ears. they keep the extra set of binoculars. that's helpful. they do transportation duty. they'll drive people that the border patrol arrests so the agents themselves can keep patrolling. the national guard at the border isn't useless or pointless, but it's only beneficial at the margin. it's only a little bit helpful. we need to change the policies that are drawing illegal immigrants here, especially the ease of getting employment if you are illegal or the ease that this administration is showing of giving out work permits to people who are making these phony asylum claims. until we do that sort of thing, it doesn't matter if all 50 states send their national guards to the border, it's not going to be enough.

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start shopping. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are in open forum this morning until the end of today's "washington journal" at the top of the hour. you can talk about any public policy issue. there is the economy's shrinking, 1.4% in the last three months. inflation grew 6.6% in march. you also have the january 6 committee announcing that they plan to hold eight hearings starting june 9 that will air in prime time during regular hours. they say that they will explain what happened on january 6. there is also the president asking for $33 billion in additional aid to ukraine. the f.d.a. proposing a ban on menthol cigarettes, and biden nearing a decision on canceling some student loan. he ruled out $50,000 per

student, per person who owes on student debt yesterday. all that is on the table. we were just talking about immigration. here is the homeland security secretary who's been on capitol hill twice this week. we covered his appearances. here he is talking about the homeland security's plan once title 42 is ultimately lifted. >> simply so your answer is you don't believe we are going to lose operation -- >> we will not lose operational control of the border. you have to allow me to answer fully the question. >> i understand. you have the opportunity, sir. if you don't believe we are going to lose operation control of the border, what information do you have in your possession that your frontline agents don't have? there is not a single person on the border today that will tell you that once title 42 is lifted they won't lose operational control of the border. what information do you have that they don't? >> the premise of your question

and the -- what you have identified as estimates of what we will encounter at the border are not estimates of what we will encounter. it is our responsibility -- >> that was a homeland security document that i have that from. the question is, sir, is very simple. what information do you have in your possession that your frontline agents who risk their lives every day, some give their lives every day, have that don't have that will tell you you won't lose operational control of some of the border at least when title 42 is lifted? >> we have a plan. we have a plan that we have developed and that we have been preparing to execute. implementing since september of this past year. >> your six pillar plan? >> yes. >> that is that been implemented or proposal? >> that's under way in its execution. >> let me ask you a question. six pillars. the surge started on january 20 when president biden took

office. why didn't you implement a six pillars then? why did you wait for 14 or 16 months to implement these things? >> many of these lines of efforts have been under way since this administration began. and the -- >> i thought you just said -- >> the challenge, congressman, of migration is not a challenge that the united states faces alone. what we are experiencing is a migration challenge throughout the region, throughout the western hemisphere, and, in fact, throughout the world. and that is why one of the pillars of the plan is to work with countries south of our border so that they manage their boarders effectively. >> thank you. i understand. the bottom line is the six pillars came out yesterday. >> that is incorrect. >> it was issued april 26, 2020 to a memorandum. i ask we incorporate that into the record, mr. chairman.

>> without objection. so ordered. >> the bottom line is the six pillars is something you put out yesterday to cover the fact that you guys are getting -- you guys have lost operational control of many parts of the border already. more is to come. i think -- host: from women's hearing with the homeland security secretary. you can find the whole hearing and his testimony on our website c-span.org. we also lay out for you in the video player the points of interest. the key moments from the hearing. we know not everybody has hours to watch these hearings. you can get the tkpw*eus of what was asked -- gist of what was asked the homeland security secretary. debbie in philadelphia, democratic caller. caller: yes. thank you. good morning. the reason why i'm calling, we have a format like this telephone operation that you have here in harrisburg. it pertains mainly to

pennsylvania. but they don't have a divided parapolitical party. they just have a telephone number and anyone calls in. and because of that you don't hear the hatred, the division, the visceral -- you don't hear that. when they call in they state their position. but they basically stick to the subject matter. i find that this division of this telephone party line is what's causing a lot of the issues that we have in this country. not c-span, but the fact that you divided up per party. i think is instigating a lot of what's going on. that's just my opinion. thank you. host: we try to change up the phone lines. divide it different waste. parents, teachers. we do democratic, republican, independent. because it gives people context to what they are hearing on a

public policy issue. david in st. james, new york. you are a republican. welcome. caller: yes. i'm kind of disgusted because i have no idea why all these illegal people are trying to seek asylum. many, many countries away from where they live. here in this country we have a lot of lawyers in our government. i don't like to use that word, but when they don't tell the truth, they are not telling the truth. that's a lie. there's just too many issues that i can't -- i can list tens of issues that i would like to see changed and i don't understand why the democrat party doesn't see that all these people coming across the borders are bringing crime. whether it's illegal drugs, whether it's -- host: what evidence, david, do you have that all immigrants coming across the border are

doing crime when they get here? caller: i'm not saying every single one of them. come on, we don't know really who is coming across when we don't catch them. we don't know if we are not catching them if they are bringing a disease other than covid. we don't know if they are bringing covid. host: and the administration has kept in place title 42, which allows the agents along the border to turn people back because of the pandemic, to prevent the spread of the disease, the administration talking about lifting that. that debate is part of negotiations right now on capitol hill. over more money to respond to the covid-19 pandemic here in the united states with treatments, testing, etc. speaker of the house nancy pelosi likely to be asked about where those negotiations stand this morning when she holds her

weekly news conference at 10:45 a.m. eastern time. you can watch it here on c-span. go to our website, c-span.org, or watch with our free mobile app, c-span now. our video app. in greensboro, north carolina, democratic caller. what's on your mind this morning? caller: the immigration. several have called in. in 2013 there was the bipartisan bill. the immigration. only the republicans voted against it. the republicans really have no interest in improving immigration reform. they just want to use it and a wedge issue against the democrats. that's the only purpose. the other point i'd like to make, listening to the immigration discussion earlier, i just have a thought wondering how things would have been so different that native americans had been able to have the same

discussion that just took place who they were going to let into their land. thank you. host: june in wisconsin, independent. caller: hi. good morning. my concern is regarding all of the violence that's going on in america. where do we go? we bring people to america because we wonderful that way. but where do we go? our cities are being shot up like a war zone. people are killing innocent children because a bad guy shooting at each other. where do we go to get away from the violence that's happening around us? move to the suburbs? how can you afford it? i'm retired. so many others. there is no thought about those of us who are being threatened

right here in this country by the violence. i would like to know what america our government plans to do to save us from us. host: richard intown t-fpblt republican. in tennessee. republican. you're next. richard. good morning. go ahead. caller: well, i think -- crime. they take jobs away from americans. host: richard, immigration in tennessee. coming up this weekend is the white house correspondents dinner. trevor noah is the headliner. president biden expected to

attend this well. this saturday evening 8 p.m. eastern time. the best place to watch it is here on c-span. watch it live. watch it on demand. on our free mobile video app, c-span now. also go to c-span.org to access all our live coverage from the red carpet arrivals to trevor noah's remarks and the president's. enjoy all your favorite moments from our coverage of past white house ko*zs dinners by -- correspondents dinners by going to our video lie pwraeurry. all in one place and only the way c-span covers it. your unfiltered view of washington. adele in springfield, illinois. democratic caller. hi. caller: good morning. how are you? a couple comments. one how i'm hearing a lot more whiners talk about how "washington journal" is biased. and it favors one party or another.

if you don't like it, change the channel, please. you need to stay the way you are. let me work backwards. you had the immigration person that was just on. nobody i don't think anybody asked about us taking over 150,000 ukrainian as refugees. that are fleeing war. so many in our southern hemisphere are fleeing gangs, violence, drug, cartels and stuff. they do have a right to seek asylum of the one of the solutions that we give back texas back to mexico. anyone who doesn't -- in the 21st crepetry, we can go. others the opposition the first hour. i'm not much worried about the $33 billion. that's.0001% of our national

debt. that's not as concerning. what does concern me is the escalation of war. i just heard a report that with ukrainian, bombing the western territory. and in response the bombed kyiv which they weren't doing that for the last 10 days. what i'm hearing is that there could be a provocation for them to use tactical nuclear weapons and the response that we can give is going to escalate even further. and the argument that we have that we need to stop in ukraine -- history has shown ussr never attacked nato countries. push putin to a corner and him

responding adjustment to world security. the military industrial complex is the only people that are benefiting from this war that's going on in ukraine. i thank you for listening. have a good day. host: dorothy, new bury park, california. independent. what's on your mind this morning? caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to try to get through when miss wine gartner was on -- ms. wine gartner was on. the bottom line for me is there are so many places in the country that are complaining about how the children are taught. what they are taught. and the unions have such power. i know you know about open secrets.org. teachers unions, i know teachers that are conservative. i know teachers that are more

liberal. but you better join the union or you get ostracized at school. and the teachers union, you can check it through open secrets, etc., they get overwhelmingly, 90 percentile when they can give campaign contributions, they give it to democrats. in addition, they do things, somebody brought it up when the speechers are there and -- when the teachers are there and you are not supposed to do certain thing. they have t-shirts, vote blue. i think that's wrong. the critical race theory, i'll give you an example. i have a friend who is in arizona. she tried to find out about that in her schools. they said they don't have that. guess what? then why are people complaining

what they saw on television -- on the screen when their kids were learning is because they don't call it that. they change the name. it's deviousness. she talked to me about it. i had the same thing happen in our school district. we don't have that. but they don't call it critical race theory. they have a different title for it. they were teaching it and are teaching it. some parents have a different agreement. i wish they would be more forthcoming and honest about what they are doing. and it makes me feel uncomfortable when our schools are covering things up. and the dustup -- host: we have only 10 minutes left. i'm going to get in some other voices. deli in albuquerque, new mexico. democratic caller. caller: good morning. i have been listening to most of the conversations. i live in a border state. i just know that people have touched on some of the major

problems. immigration could have been solved a lot sooner, but it's a wedge issue for the republican party. it's a bogeyman. the gangs and everything. it's been a fluid situation we have had our local gangs in the 70's and 80's. then we have the krips come in and mexican mafia. we actually had the russian mafia operating here. america is an equal opportunity. the thing i'd like to see addressed is that with the democratic philosophy of we want to see the economy and people come in on a visa program and solve our work troubles that way, but we still have -- despite e-verify, we still have the business owners, the ones benefiting from the situation.

i just think that vote everybody and maybe we can get some of these problems fixed because i don't have any faith in the g.o.p. negotiating. that's all i have to say. thank you. host: up to new york, linda is washington from there. republican. linda, public policy issue. caller: yes. i think immigration should be -- change the laws. they are letting people in that aren't vaccinated. and they didn't get the covid vaccine, nothing. they let them in our country. but we have to be vaccinated. they are not doing the laws. i'm talking -- the kids in school. they are inundating our school with illegals. then our children aren't being taught because the teachers are taking much time because children that don't speak english need more help.

host: is that happening in the schools where you live? caller: yes. yes. host: what have you seen? what are the numbers? caller: i don't know the numbers. i talk to-tkeurpbl' a grandparent. i'm talking to my daughter and her friends complaining they have to take their kid and put them in private school because they are not learning anything. they are not learning anything. this has been going on a long time as far as teaching is concerned. our kids, my children, don't even know the history of our country. that's a pretty sad thing. that should be our first and foremost thing that is taught in school. i'm not -- we shouldn't have to apologize for stuff that happened in the past. and all this pain for racial and slavery and stuff. there was slavery in egypt, italy, everywhere back then. why do i have to apologize for that. i'm not a racist. i think most people aren't

racist. host: lewis in north carolina, democratic caller. louis. caller: wow. this has been a powerful packed this morning. especially when you talk about immigration. first thing come out everybody, especially -- don't get me wrong. like the lady said, she's not racist. there is a lot of white people i know that are afraid. they are afraid. they buy a lot of goods. they only got but two hands. they got 50 guns and they are afraid. you know what's happening in my neighborhood? we have a bunch of -- i notice a bunch of white people who leave their car doors unlocked and leave a gun in the seat. why would you leave your car door unlocked for somebody to steal your gun, but your house is locked up and you have five guns in the house. i don't understand. they want to flood our

neighborhoods with firearms. they want to talk about illegal immigrants. it's ridiculous. the hispanics. if you don't get together and vote democrat. you have some silly individuals and believe you white republicans love you. host: michael middletown, new york. independent. open forum for the next five minutes. public policy issue on your mind. caller: this is mike. in 1914 my grandfather had to go down with the sixth cavalier and general pershing to the mexican border. they were murdering, stealing, and raping. they come across that border, narcostate, gang states. host: you are making a generalization about an entire group of people. do you have evidence. caller: we are being invaded. host: brian in florida.

republican. caller: i'd like to -- evidence, every time someone comes across the border aren't they committing an illegal crime? host: your point? caller: that's showing that coming across here you can be illegal. that's a bad point the way show crime is going to go. if you are harder on crime that's not going to help, either. elections need fixed. most of all we need to get our gas down right now. i think that's what everyone's really, really thinking about. if they just filled up this weekend. host: bobby, missouri, democratic caller. what are you concerned about? caller: well, i'm from west virginia. i'm concerned about the teachers and the teachers unions. my wife was a former school teacher. she's retired now.

she worked her entire life. she has gotten -- when she retired she fell apart. she had to have a hip replacement and this and that. now she was an excellent school teacher. she was mainly a kindergarten school teacher most of her life. she was really dedicated. she wanted to be a school teacher as a child. as she grew up she went and got grants and everything and went to school and graduated. became a teacher. she has had students that, you know, had problems. she would lay awake at night and do her plans. she would lay awake at night. there would be a student or two in her class. she would try to come up with some kind of idea. this is what you call professional dedicated school teacher.

an idea how to help some of these underprivileged kids to learn. she used psychology and so forth. she was able -- some of those kids now have grown up and they have actually become teachers and lawyers and such. host: thanks for the call. robert in indian trail, north carolina. democratic caller. you are our last. go ahead. caller: thank you. i have enjoyed your forum this morning, ma'am. the issue that i have is that we in the united states, citizens of the united states, we need to take a look at our history books. we don't seem to understand that when we talk about mr. krikorian, biden has only been in office a year and a half. so he -- give the man a chance. this is why we elect our president for four years. we gave donald trump four. obama had eight. bush had eight. give the man a chance. but the problem here is not

necessarily with the american people not understanding immigration. is that the elected official that is we send to washington, the united states congress, they make the laws. that's article 1 of the constitution. they make the laws. and whether they are controlled by the democrats or the republicans, neither one of them for the last 40 years has done anything about immigration. at one time the republicans had control, for example when trump came in, the republicans were in control of both house, senate, the presidency, and the supreme court. and they did nothing about it. we as a people need to stop trying to politicize the immigration issue and remember one thing, we are a nation of immigrants. you can read the scholars like john haoeupl. and others who have written extensively about it. they come away with the understanding that without immigration this nation would falter. host: we'll leave it at that point. we are near the top of the hour this morning. that does it for today's "washington journal."

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