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representative joins us to discuss the economy and inflation. and later, judy chu from california talks about the future of abortion rights. host: good morning from the nation's capital. we will begin with the government report that found native american children out of boarding school that led to thousands or tens of thousands of native americans, native alaskan children. if you are native american please call in at (202) 748-8000 , if you live in the eastern part of the country call in at

(202) 748-8001, mountain pacific (202) 748-8002. colin with your thoughts -- join us on facebook facebook.com/cspan or send us a tweet http://twitter.com/cspanwj earlier this week. they held a conference about this report that found 53 burial sites at the schools around the country. you can find the report if you go to cia.gov. the united states supported schools across 37 states or territories including 21 schools in alaska and hawaii. it confirms that the united

states targeted american indians, and native hawaiians with programs of cultural -- these schools were used as a means to the end. with more site discovery and data expected as we continue our research. the first native american cabinet secretary who has the interior said this earlier this week. >> they moved to exterminate, eradicate, and assimilate native americans, alaskan natives and native hawaiians. the religions, language, all of it was targeted for destruction. nowhere is that more clear than

in the legacy of the boarding schools. for more than a century, tens of thousands of indigenous children were taken from their communities and forced into boarding schools run by the government. the department of the interior and religious institutions. the consequences of this policy, including the intergenerational trauma caused by family separation and cultural eradication which were inflicted on generations of children as young as four years old are heartbreaking and undeniable. when my maternal grandparents were only eight years old they were stolen from their parents culture and communities and forced to live in boarding schools until the age of 13. many children like them never made it back to their homes. each of those children is a

missing family member, a person who was not able to live out their purpose on this earth because they lost their lives as part of this terrible system. this is not new to us. this is not new to many of us as indigenous people. we have lived with the trauma of the schools for many years. what is new is the determination to make a lasting difference in the impact of this trauma for future generations. the federal policies that intended to wipe out native identity, language and culture continue to manifest in the pain tribal communities face today, including cycles of violence and abuse, disappearance of indigenous people. mental health disorders and substance abuse, recognizing the

impact of the federal indian boarding school system cannot just be a historical reckoning. we must also chart a path forward to deal with the legacy issue. to address the intergenerational impact and promote spiritual and emotional healing in our communities, we must shed light on the unspoken traumas of the past. host: the interior secretary from earlier this week. there is talk in congress to commit a formal commission to investigate and do more research on what happened to these children. that is what they are calling for on capitol hill. we want to know what you think of the story. ed in georgia we will start with you. caller: i am sympathetic about what happened to the native american children.

the only thing is, most of them are dead now. i don't know what this secretary is trying to get to. i am sure it is money. all i know is we are told one thing and then we are told a different thing. for example, we have a baby shortage -- baby formula shortage. then we found out that it was given to the illegals. host: the report that we were talking about this morning, she said that the legacy of the schools and what happened lives on today in native american culture. she said in the washington post, it knows the lasting impact of

the schools on native americans and their communities. studies from adults that attended schools suffer from much higher rates of illness. they call for continued investigation to the boarding school system including interviewing former students and providing them with mental health care. they also want to transfer the remains so they can have proper burials. that is what they are calling for according to the washington post. joseph in gilbert, arizona. caller: this is a horrific problem we have had in this country. we have been abusing the

indigenous people from when we started moving last to today. even now, we are building pipelines over there burial grounds. we are taking cuts of their money for casinos. we had these schools into the 1970's. if anybody deserves reparations or anything, it is these poor people. this is not just about this horrible situation. this is a horrible situation about us giving them smallpox in blankets. i remember when general moorhouse attacked the indians

and brought them home on the trail of tears. the first thing we need to do is stop abusing them because we still are. like i said, it is an american tragedy that these indigenous people are suffering, but they are still suffering. there is not much said about it at all. host: the native american population today, this is from indian country.com. the indigenous population has improved.

the indian population was not part of the census until 1960. the growth in the american indian population contributes to the nation being more diverse. it increased from 5.2% to 9.7 million. in 86.5 percent increase. we are talking about this new report from the interior department on the abuse of native americans dating from 1900 to the 1960's. what was your reaction when you heard about this investigation? caller: are you still speaking

to me? host: no, james and north carolina. caller: i was not surprised. this country has abused indigenous people, black people, anybody who is not a white, anglo-saxon has been abused in this country. what is different is that the country is trying to repair those injuries. they are trying to repair the injury inflicted. hr 40 which has reparations for black people has been languishing for 40 years.

there is always a check ready for everyone else. i encourage all black people in november, stay home. don't vote until people talk about cutting your liberation check. host: from the hearing on capitol hill on this report and the legislation to form a commission to investigate the schools. this is what her group found in her research and what happened to these children. >> their hair was chopped, their close stripped and their names were replaced with english ones. they frequently received punishment for speaking their language.

methods of punishment included solitary confinement, flogging, whipping, and forcing children to administer punishments to each other such as the strap line. people were subjected to forced labor, neglect, malnourishment and physical and sexual abuse. children were beaten to death. this happened routinely enough to compel operators to have cemeteries on school grounds, often in unmarked graves. this violence affected hundreds of thousands of children and their communities so deeply that these effects of trauma can be seen intergenerational leave. indian boarding school methods are rooted in manifest destiny. it has taken generations to get

to this point of public truth and accountability. for those who never had the chance to return home. for those who were forever changed i this extreme cruelty. for those who were chained to basement radiators, and prison cells, and dark closets. for those who were sexually abused, told to wash up and returned to the marching line. for those who were told that they would be forgotten. we are here to remind you to remember these children. to tell the truth, to subpoena others who are carrying that knowledge and ensure that we get the truth that our families deserve. they need to know whether children are. host: if you missed it and would

like to watch it you can go to c-span.org. we will also show you that press conference at 8:00 on c-span or on c-span.org. or you can get our cap on the phone. you can watch the interior secretary speak more on this report. from alexandria, virginia. caller: this is not new unfortunately. it deeply disturbed my heart. we as a society, starting with christopher columbus, if you look at australia and new zealand. we exterminated people all over the world. look at all of the wars, 250

million people perished. this capitalist culture of exploiting resources, we are to blame and something has to be done with the culture and the christian church is just a front to allow people to go in and further exploit other people. i think there has to be a massive transformation of the european culture, otherwise i don't think any human beings will survive this planet. host: these assimilation policies happened in canada. the catholic church ran some of these schools as well. april 1, the pope apologized to the indigenous people of canada

for the horrible abuse that the headline in the guardian, the u.s. government has not apologized. new hampshire we will hear from you, go ahead. caller: this is long overdue. i think this is a reflection of european cultures that wanted to have everyone be like them. the general bowed before me mentioned columbus -- before me mentioned columbus. we have always tried to make people like us. if you are not like us we will change you. the history of school should

reflect what really happened to the native americans and what happened to the blacks during savory -- slavery. host: native americans have been taken advantage of for hundreds of years. the fact that this has been covered up since 1969 is a disgrace. martin in new mexico. caller: in 1992, i ran across this continent for native american people for peace and dignity. when you are living on stolen ground, we have no right to this land. we have no ancestors on this land. we prayed for the ancestors, and we heard stories of the people.

it is important that we recognize. there will be another piece and dignity journey where people can pray for forgiveness but for strength for the people and a recognition of their sovereignty. host: during that hearing on capitol hill,shawanee leader asked about the importance of a historical record and to formalize a commission, here's what he had to say. >> these children stories are important to the shawnee tribe. we have found that some records are seemingly lost forever. we have discovered the crucial parts of the story are in

assessable in government archives or in private collections of religious institutions. as time continues to pass, we will lose the testimony of survivors. that is the importance of this bill. a commission to locate every record and make sure this history is preserved. finding answers to long missing questions. finding the answers of our children will cause morning for our people. but admits the pain, our burden will be lifted. healing and growth will follow. this commission's purpose is not to point fingers or invoke guilt and generations of people removed from the atrocity.

it will help the american indian communities find information that was previously unattainable. you cannot go back and change the past but we must hold ourselves accountable for doing the right thing today. the stories of human suffering have already been hidden from view. it is time they take their place in public consciousness. host: that was from the hearing on capital hearing yesterday. this on the interior department's that found abuse of federally sanctioned boarding schools between the early 1900s and 1960. your reaction to this news. frank and new york. --in new york. caller: you have to ask

forgiveness from the father and he won't hear you because you have not apologized to the people that you have wronged. you will beg for apologies but he won't listen. the children who were abused and cast aside and buried in unmarked graves, your turn in the sun will come. those who cast you in darkness will be in the darkness where they belong. host: from a tweak, i wrote about the broken hearts, the u.s. policy towards native people is shameful and i did not know much of it. it was committed by people who were revered in u.s. history.

this is from new york. caller: good morning. you are right on the topic that needs to be spoken about now. i want to relate to you two incidents. i met a fellow hiking and he said he was from canada and he explained that his father was a u-boat sailor in world war ii. and i was thinking, that is not something you find in canada. he explained to me about the boarding schools in canada that mirrored our experience. it was ok then but it is not ok now and i puzzled over that in

my mind. he was going on this track and i was just amazed that in this millennia this fellow was telling me these things about hiller and all these things. i met a person hiking. his father was a highly decorated person in the u.s. military who married into a native american family. when he learned about the trail of tears, he said to his father

that he cannot continue their tradition of serving for this family. his father disowned him. it is amazing how long a trail this kind of pain promulgates. thank you for listening to me. host: crystal in pennsylvania. what were your reactions to this report? caller: this is my first time calling. i was surprised. i never heard anything about that over the years and i am over 60 years old. i just wanted to make a comment about the guy who called from north carolina saying something about black people should not vote. that is the wrong attitude and then we would have the

republicans back in office if they do that. host: diane in dalton, georgia. caller: in the united states, it is everywhere what they are going through. all i can say, we are going to be in trouble for sure. we are supposed to take care of every child, every child matters in the united states. host: gregory in minneapolis. caller: by observation, i lived in north dakota for 17 years.

i was familiar with the lakota people. they came through together every day. i asked the question, were you converted? that was just my observation. host: i am going to move on to cj who is in minneapolis.

caller: i have called about native american issues and regarding the pipeline. when i talk about them building the pipeline, they failed to tell us that it is the violation of the treaty. host: listening to this report as a native american, did you know about this history? have you seen it continue, the legacy continue into generations? caller: absolutely, and the news media is complicit. we don't hear except what they want us to hear. this goes on for generations and generations.

our family lost their land. this is been going on. they call us the other when it comes to our voting rights. we got obama and biden elected. and he said he would do things like this and i am glad he is. host: we have a short program this morning. we will in the conversation for now. we will take a break and when we come back, we will talk to republican congressman buddy carter. we will talk about inflation and economic issues. and then later, we will talk to representative jenny too.

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subscribe today using the qr code or on our website. >> washington journal continues. host: back with us this morning is representative buddy carter to talk about inflation. why do you think we are having record inflation? guest: there is no question about it. elections have consequences and that is because policies have consequences. the policy of this administration calls this inflation right now. at one point, it was at 7%. every month it has gone up. it went to a 40 year record high. still, unacceptable, way too high.

it is because of this presidents policy. he can blame it on big oil, covid-19, but the truth is, it is the policy. the first thing he did was to declare war on fossil fuels. he canceled the pipeline. when the energies don't seek an investment, they don't invest. that is what happened here. that is why we are experiencing record gas prices. the average price of gas was at an all-time high. we get calls in our office, i had a call last week she said i can't afford to buy gas to get to work. what am i going to do?

this is impacting real people. this is impacting the working class, the middle class. look at the grocery store? all of this is a result of the policies of this administration. host: what policy has caused the rise in food prices? guest: the price of fertilizer is directly related to petroleum. i have gotten calls from farmers who have told us that i will not be able to plant a crop this year. i can't afford the fertilizer or the diesel which is double the price. the price for a gallon of diesel fuel has doubled since joe biden was in office. i can't afford to pay that price. that is what is impacting

grocery prices. host: let's listen to the president. here's what he had to say. >> americans have a choice between two paths, reflecting two different sets of values. my plan is to attack inflation and grow the economy by lowering costs for working families. giving workers wages, making big corporations and the wealthiest americans pay their fair share. the other path is the plan put forward by congressional republicans to raise tax on middle america. threaten the sacred programs that americans count on like social security, medicaid, medicare. just like they did the last time

they were in power. their top priority was the $2 trillion tax cut going to the very wealthiest americans which ballooned the deficit and not a penny was paid for. i know you have to be frustrated. frustrated by high prices and gridlock in the time it takes to get things done. believe me, i understand the frustration. the fact is, congressional republicans are counting on you to be as frustrated by the pace of progress which they have done everything to slow down, that you will hand power over to them so they can enact their extreme

agenda. host: do you have a response? guest: it is unbelievable that anyone would believe what he just said. i can't believe he would even read that. i just can't believe that he can think that his policies are not causing this. look at your retirement, look at your pension, is it better off two years ago that it was now? are gas prices higher since republicans were in office? it is because of this economy that this administration has created. how can he sit there and say when he just proposed a budget that would increase our debt $16

trillion in the next 10 years. when he proposed a budget that would cut the combat readiness of savannah, georgia. at a time when we could be on the brink of world war iii. this man is totally out of control. this administration is out of touch with what is going on in america. this is baffling. host: marty in wisconsin. republican, you are up. caller: i have to comment that the clip that was just played, i don't think i have ever heard a president lie is much is what joe biden jested saying the republicans will raise taxes and cut jobs.

how did he get away with this? when tromp was in office, the republicans had complete control. the democrats stymied at every move. joe biden is an out and outlier. guest: what we just heard from this president was an outright vibe. i can't believe he could even read what someone wrote for him to convince him that this was the case. we all know that this is not the case. he just submitted a budget that has deficit spending of over $14 trillion. we are already $30 trillion in

debt. last week when the federal reserve went up on the percentage rate, that caused taxpayers $29 billion on the interest on our debt. this is unbelievable that this administration, this man who i am beginning to think we need to have a cognitive test on him. i can't believe that he would read what he said and believe it. host: in chicago, a democratic caller. caller: i want to know why you won't advance the child tax credits when your constituents are having trouble paying for gas.

host: why won't you support child tax credits that would help your constituents pay for gas. guest: there is too much money chasing after too few products. this administration has pumped and so much money into this economy that is why we are seeing inflation. i will look into that. there is too much money in the economy right now. some of it was necessary. we were in a pandemic. this was an exceptional situation, but this american rescue plan where only 9% of it went to help, the rest of it went to pet projects of the democrats.

that is why introduced the paid act. which will take unused funds from the american rescue plan and go to reduce our debt. what will help the economy? no more spending. in canceling student loans? not only is it unfair, but it would increase inflation. the third thing we have to do, we have to balance our budget. it is extremely important to me that we start balancing our budget. as the father of three sons, as the grandfather of six

grandchildren. this is intergenerational theft. the president wants to add 16 trillion more to it. $29 million because the interest rate went up. we cannot continue on with this. host: joe from red bank, new jersey. on the independent line. caller: this feels like reinvented history. biden passed the largest rescue plan, and he initiated quanta to new -- quantitative easing. it wasn't biden but trump

that brought inflation rates down to zero. and now for gas prices. let's get real about gas prices. on april 9, 2020, opec, saudi arabia and they decided to end the saudi and russian war and tromp brought the party to do that. they decided to lower the production on oil to save the gas industry.

read the thousands of articles on google search by typing in tromp, opec, agreement. guest: i don't agree with this. i think the tromp policies were great policies. now we have the biden policy and those are the policies that we are experiencing this record inflation rate at. this is the policy we are seeing with the american rescue plan which there are estimates that the american rescue plan raised inflation by four points. you alluded to some of the plans, the fans during the trump

administration. there comes a time when you have to stop and you have to give back. only 9% of the american rescue plan went for covid. the rest of it, all of these green new deal plans. i agree, oil should do a better job of their pricing. when you work in the futures market, if you don't see the investment in energy infrastructure you will not invest in it. the biden administration is happy to see high gas prices because they want you to spend money on an electric vehicle. i don't care how much of a tax credit you get for that, they

can afford that. it is the policy, that is what is causing the problem right now. host: the speaker of the house and announce to be considered addressing what she considers price gouging by oil companies. >> we will have another piece of our lowering costs for the american people. the consumer fuel price gouging prevention act. our families are struggling to pay higher prices at the pump. oil and gas companies have record profits where they are buying buybacks this year alone. again and again, we see gas prices rise.

price gouging needs to be stopped. this is a major exploitation of the consumer because this is a product that the consumer must have. again, the putin price increase is seen at the pump. you would think gas companies would accommodate for that. the price gouging needs to be addressed with new tools that the fcc can use to address those abuses. the president will release an emergency energy declaration to make it illegal to raise prices in an exploitive way.

host: your reaction to the legislation? guest: thank goodness she won't be speaker much longer. i am looking forward to casting my vote for kevin mccarthy. one thing you need to understand , we are going to give the president authority. that is the last thing we need to be doing right now. we have conceded too much authority to the executive branch. we need to take authority back. our forefathers never intended for us to concede this much power to the executive branch. they wanted three separate branches of government. i am not blaming just democrats on this. we need in congress to take back

some of our authority that we have conceded to the executive branch. host: when you talk about curtailing spending, how did you vote on the aid package to ukraine? guest: i did vote for it but i struggled with it. we simply have to end this war. ukraine has to win and we have to help them win. if putin is successful, he would not be doing this under the trump administration. it is because of the week leadership of joe biden. we left americans behind enemy lines in afghanistan. and yet, now they are looking to

see what is going to happen here. if russia is successful you can bet that china will be online one, iran is watching this. the weakness of this president and administration, this is why it is so vitally important. does the good outweigh the bad? i did not want to spend all that money. and i am sure we will find some things to pay for. we have to make sure that ukraine does not lose to russia. that will cost us a whole lot more in the future. host: ukraine said the need was urgent. rand paul blocked the bill from passing in the senate. he says there is not sufficient oversight of the spending.

guest: i appreciate the fact that rand paul is paying attention. there will be oversight over this thing. at the same time, the necessity to win this war to me, is urgent. we have to make sure ukraine is not defeated. when this first started i happened to be in europe when potency unprovoked invasion took place. then we were in the capital with the leaders of our military, and the joints chief of staff. here they were telling us that russia will roll right over them.

these ukrainian people, you can't help but admire their fortitude and what they have done. it does say something to the weakness of the russian forces as well. it tells you about ukrainian people and i stand with ukraine. i want to make sure that they are successful and they defend their country. host: andrea in denver, a republican. caller: thank you for taking our calls. you keep saying that president biden is doing a b and c. as americans, we know that biden is not right for this country and we need to see who those people are instead of giving this blanket ability to hide

behind the administration. you said that you stand with ukraine regarding the $40 million. i understand that you want these guys to win, but they are also having this chasing of the tail. america has issues and one of the things i have learned is that you can't keep spending money on a problem. the saddest thing in the world is that you don't stand with america. that spending is knocking the dollar down. host: a lot to unpack there. guest: that was one of the best because i have ever had. host: she was saying we need to know who was behind the

administration? guest: what an astute point she is making. i can answer this question more than anything else. who is running the white house? we know that it is not joe biden. who is calling the shots over there? i don't know the answer except that i understand that there are people from the obama administration who are calling the shots. i can assure you, joe biden is not making decisions, harris is not making decisions. host: what evidence do you have? guest: i don't have any evidence. that is an assumption to be honest with you.

i get asked that question quite often and that is about who is making the decisions, but i know it is not him. host: how do you know it is not him? guest: i am not sure he is capable of making those decisions to be quite honest. i don't have confidence that he is in charge over there. if you ask me who is in charge i don't know the answer to that. we can sit here and what bothers me so much about the southern border is paying no attention, this president has never been to the southern border, never even seen it. when vice president harris went down there she went to the wrong

place. fentanyl is coming over the border and causing all kinds of problems. she is absolutely right. this is one of the biggest problems we have got coming across the border. and then, i do stand for america i will probably carry that banner. if russia is successful in

ukraine, that will have an impact on democracies around the world and it will have an impact here in america as well. host: next we have a democratic collar. caller: how can you let this fellow lie like this. in the first place, this fellow right here, he is just brown nosing trump. but just like the rest of them have. do you have a question or comment? if these people had covid and the rest of these things, what would they do?

i shudder to think of kevin mccarthy. and you ask him what he really thinks who the president is he will probably live. we are living in a parallel universe for some reason. these people like him, he is a filthy liar. guest: i thought we agreed we would not let any of my kin folks call in. host: your final thoughts before we go to break. guest: it is always a pleasure to be with you and thank you for giving me this opportunity. elections have consequences because policies have consequences.

the policy. the policy of the republican party can lead our country and continue with our economic success and make us a great country once again. i still believe we live live ine greatest country in the world. you hear about people trying to break into the country, but not anyone trying to break out. i still believe our greatest times are ahead of us. host: thank you for taking calls from the viewers this morning. we will hear from the other side of the aisle after this break. judy chu will talk about roe v. wade and abortion. coming up after this break. >> american history tv saturday

on c-span2, exploring the people and events that tell the american story. in 1973 roe v. wade case and abortion being debated nationally we will look at what the current supreme court justices had to say about the ruling during their confirmation hearings. >> the court's decision in planned parenthood versus casey, we have found the court holding the president of the court -- precedent of the court. >> it was decided in 1973 and has been on the books a long time. it has been challenged on a number of occasions, and i discussed those yesterday. the supreme court has reaffirmed the decision.

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resource page where you can watch the latest videos on demand and read tweets from journalists on the ground. >> washington journal continues. host: congresswoman judy chu, democrat from california, joins us this morning. let's begin with the vote in the senate earlier this week. the proposal would have protected abortion rights nationwide and failed 49-50 one. your reaction? guest: i was disappointed. i was disheartened, but it was not unexpected. i was glad that all 49 of the democrats that we expected to vote for the women's health protection act voted for it. i was disappointed that the two republican senators who said that they are pro-choice did not vote for.

i have to say, even if they had, they would not have been able to overcome the issue of the filibuster, which requires 60 votes for any bill to pass. nevertheless, i felt that it was important for every senator to have their vote on the record with regard to this big threat to women's health care, and that is the decision that is pending before the u.s. supreme court. host: what should democrats do next? do away with the filibuster to possibly get enough votes, 60 votes? 61? guest: i have felt that the filibuster should be done away with even outside of this vote. there are so many important issues that have not been able

to go forth, such as voting rights, a very fundamental thing . it's the ability to exercise our vote. but, climate change and so many other issues have been held up because of the filibuster. certainly it is so important right here where millions of lives of women are at stake if the roe v. wade decision is overturned, and it is more important now than ever to not have the filibuster, which ultimately makes a minority in charge of what bills go forward. a minority holds up the vote of the majority. i always thought that in a democracy the majority should rule. yes, i hope that they do away with the filibuster. sen. booker: i will have you --

host: i will have you respond to ben sasse on the floor on wednesday expressing his opposition to the legislation will stop here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> there is no moderation in this bill, just brutal indifference hiding behind euphemisms. fortunately, it won't pass. unfortunately, our debate about it is not very honest. fortunately, the pro-abortion lobby is not winning. majority leader schumer will earn kudos from planned parenthood for the show vote today, but he is not going to convince anyone. as we look beyond today's vote to the future, our focus should be on continuing to grow the pro-life coalition in this country. we can and we must build support across the country for an affect that protects life. i want to lock arms with pro-life democrats and work to build a culture of life. if we can pair certain pro-life

laws with increased spending on prenatal care and safety nets for struggling moms, count me in. i am for that kind of big, new coalition. let's do it. this movement is about hearts and minds. we have to have difficult conversations and love, and we have to reject the kind of extremism that senator schumer's putting on the floor today pursuing this bill. we have to focus our work on our local communities, on changing our neighbors minds, understanding each other. i am setting an example by putting moms and babies first. the example after this bill fails today is to remember that love is stronger than power, and that is why life is going to win. being pro-life means being pro-science, pro-mom, and pro-baby. it means starting with love, not with legislation. and happily, it definitely

doesn't mean starting with the grotesque legislation that will be voted down this afternoon. host: congresswoman? guest: well, you must be talking about a completely different bill than what we put forth. the woman's health protection act upholds roe v. wade, and also the clarifying court decisions that came soon thereafter. this is a decision that women have been living under for 50 years in all 50 states guaranteeing a woman's constitutional right to an abortion. as a result, women have had the freedom to make choices about the future of their bodies, about the future of their pregnancy. this means that a woman who was raped at age 17 can have an

abortion and not have to live with the consequences of that rape. this means that a woman who discovers that she has an ectopic pregnancy that could end her life if she goes through with the pregnancy can indeed s ave her life and have an abortion. this means that a woman who had multiple children and knows she cannot afford to expand her family at that point in time can make the decision for what is best for herself and her family and her children. the decisions with regard to pregnancy and abortion should be one that is private, one that is

her and her doctor. that decision should not be dictated by ted cruz in washington, d.c., marco rubio in washington, d.c. it should be a decision that is hers and hers alone. that is with the women's health protection act is all about. host: you are up first for the congresswoman. caller: i am just confused. about six months ago we were told that we would be embarrassed if we did not take a vaccine. i am confused about the talking points from the left. clearly the talking points of changed again. 64 million abortions. i don't know if any of us listening would choose abortion for ourselves. if we could take a poll, the left loves taking a poll, if we took a poll of 64 million babies

if they would choose abortion for themselves. why don't we work towards lessening those abortions? guest: i'm glad that you mentioned a poll. poll after poll of the american people show the majority, at least 60% of americans, uphold roe v. wade. they believe a woman should have the option to deal with an unwanted pregnancy. that she should have the ability to make decisions and the freedom to choose what to do with her own body. actually, talk about vaccinations. so many people over the last two years have said i want the freedom to decide whether i wear a mask or to have a vaccine or not. there should be freedom here too.

there should be freedom for a woman to make a choice about what happens to her own body and when her life is threatened, as is the case in many pregnancies, then she should have the freedom to be able to take care of her own health. remember, pregnancy is a difficult thing. actually, the life-threatening aspect of pregnancy -- pregnancy is 14 times more dangerous than an abortion. there are serious medical conditions having to do with pregnancy. whatever the condition, the decision about whether to go ahead should be between a woman and her doctor. remember also that many times that child is very much wanted,

but that fetus may not be viable. whatever the situation, it should be a private one. host: beverly in wyoming. democratic caller. beverly, are you with us? go ahead, you are on the air with congresswoman judy chu. caller: yeah, judy chu. i just think people should get together. the speaker before you, he had a lot to say and it was rude and disrespectful towards the president. what do you do about that kind of thing? guest: this discussion over abortion has become very polarized. i regret that it has been so. i wish we could look at the

fundamentals of it, which is that a woman should have the ability to determine her future. she should do it with the best medical advice possible. that is why so many people support the women's health protection act. talking about polls, the majority of americans also support this bill. they support the women's health protection act and the think that there should be legislation that will put this into law that will enshrine the protections of roe v. wade into law. the president issued a statement in strong support of that. i want to tell all of you that the house passed this bill last september by 218-211.

it was actually the most pro-abortion bill passed in congress in history. on wednesday the president issued a strong statement in support of this. the house supports it. the president supports it. we are waiting for the senate to pass this. then this can become a statute that enshrines the protections of roe into law. host: democrats are in charge of the senate, so why wasn't this bill put on the floor this week? guest: this bill was put into a statute that was voted on in the floor of the senate this week. the vote was 49-51, so it did not pass. host: richard, springfield, oregon, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. with all due respect, after the first trimester that is a human

life, and much before that, but i will go with after the first trimester. for you to say every woman has a right for an abortion, what about the right of that baby to have a life? to have a chance at life? we don't know how many einsteins, how many bachs are in that bunch of babies you just want to dump in the trash. i think it is absurd for you to sit there and say it is only a woman's right. if it is a woman's right, then have a tubal ligation or some kind of birth control. don't you have that much respect for the women? host: congresswoman? guest: let me tell you that, first of all, you do not know the circumstances of that woman.

if the woman is 13 years old -- so now we are talking about a teenager. say the teenager is a victim of incest. maybe her father assaulted her and she is pregnant. are you saying that that girl, that she must go through with that pregnancy? that is in essence what you are saying. or, like i said about the atopic pregnancy, if a woman is told that the egg is developing outside her ovaries, then she could die from that. does that mean that you are saying that that woman should go ahead with that regardless of the situation? that is what you are saying. you do not know the

circumstances that a woman faces. i would say, please listen to the story of women who have gotten abortions. many times they wanted that pregnancy so much, but they couldn't go through with that. i hope that you can learn something from those stories and about the individual circumstances that women face in their lives. host: sharon in hanover, pennsylvania. democratic caller. caller: good morning. number one. women have rights. yes, they certainly do. don't tell us you skip over the woman to get to the fetus' rights. just stop that. number two, leaving aside

atheists and agnostics, i have done lifelong research into religions and philosophies. i have concluded that non -denominationally, which is stronger, the spirit or the body? i feel sure it is the individual spirit, the soul. if that spirit becomes aborted in a body, it will then arrange to be incarnated in another body until that spirit achieves its existence and its purpose for life. thank you. host: congresswoman? thoughts? guest: well, let me say that there was a suggestion when

there was debate at the u.s. supreme court that roe v. wade should be overturned because adoption is available in all states, and that there are safe haven laws. let me just say that women should not be vessels for bearing babies. there are circumstances that each woman faces in her life that can make it a life-threatening situation for her to bear that baby. like i said, a pregnancy can be 14 times more life-threatening than abortion itself, which is actually a very safe procedure. so, we need to be able to uphold roe v. wade.

let me tell you, even if roe v. wade is overturned, abortions will not stop. there will always be the need for abortions. they may go underground. they may be even more secretive. but abortions will not stop. what we want to do is make sure that women do not have to go underground. they do not have to be secretive. in fact, we don't have to have the situation right now. i am in california, and already we are seeing that women are having to drive from texas. i just heard a story of a woman who could not face another pregnancy and drove 20 hours from texas to california to have an abortion.

this is happening all over the place. women should be able to exercise their freedom to make the choice about their pregnancy so that th ey can do what is best for them and their futures. host: wednesday, the california governor announced a proposed 125 million reproductive health package for his state to prepare for an influx of out-of-state residents seeking abortions. what is your reaction to that, and what is that due to the state of california and other states that could see this influx? guest: i was very grateful to our governor, gavin newsom, who totally understands the necessity for a woman to have the freedom to make choices about their own bodies. he has put this money into the budget so that women who come

from other states have access to these abortions. to the abortions that will save their lives in many cases. i am so so glad he did that. however, i think we have to come back to the fundamental issue. roe v. wade should not be overturned. the problem here, if it is overturned and women are going unsafe, certain women will be able to take advantage and others will not. wealthy women will have means, will always have access. but women who may not be able to take off from work, or who cannot get a babysitter, or cannot drive, or cannot fly, they will have difficulties. they will have difficulties going from texas to california and making all those

arrangements. they will have trouble doing that within the time period in which they can have the abortion. so, we should not be having this situation. yet, i am glad that the governor is going ahead with this funding. making abortion available for those who need it in this country. host: jackson, mississippi. you are next in our conversation. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been here with c-span since the very first month. i am from mississippi. the infant mortality rate is out of the roof. there are a lot of women who die having birth. however, this is my stance. my stance is this.

i am not for abortion, i am for women's rights. roe v. wade was the opinion me of women's rights. -- the epitomy of women's rights. one thing, who is responsible? it is the woman and man's responsibility not to have sex unprotected. i am not for abortion for contraceptive means, but for rape and incest? you're talking about people in the south. those trumpkin thinking people, they feel incest and rape is all right. you had -- no, i am against that type. then when you have a woman who has a stillbirth and she has to have the procedure to remove the child, you are making that

illegal. i can understand both sides of the argument. i am for women's rights. guest: is there a middle ground? guest: one point that the caller made was very important, which is about the necessity for access to contraception. talking about the responsibility of the woman and the man, and i tell you that access to contraception is key. that is actually what will reduce the abortion rate. in fact, it has. having the ability to control when a pregnancy takes place is very fundamental. that is why also we must make sure we have funding for

programs that support this. title ix -- i mean, title x is a funding source for contraception. we have always fought to make sure that there is maximum funding for this and that contraception is available in all of the states. in terms of the middle ground, you know, people like senator casey, personally does not agree with abortion, but i admire him because he cast his vote as yes for the women's health protection act on wednesday. what he did was to respect the right of a woman to make a choice about her own body. he may have his own personal feelings about abortion, but he respected that freedom for the

woman to determine her future. that is, i think, middle ground. host: brad and international falls, minnesota. republican. question or comment? caller: comment and a question. good morning, greta. i have not been on in a while, but it is kind of an interesting conversation. talking about these personal choice, because it is their body , that is kind of foolish to think that. i never saw a human with two heads, two hearts, four legs. it is not their body, ok. this lady, that is why she is not practicing. she is foolish. i have to ask her this question. how many people does she know that have ever wished that they

were aborted? thank you, greta. good day. host: congresswoman? guest: well, i am not sure exactly what the caller was driving at. what i can say is that lives are at stake. we cannot rollback the rights that women have held for 50 years in 50 states. this is why we must uphold roe v. wade. i call on the supreme court to uphold it, but if that doesn't happen we must have the woman's health protection act and make roe v. wade the law of the land. doing nothing isn't anthis is we

galvanized around the nation. i'm going to tell you that you will see nationwide marches this saturday, because women know their futures are at stake. there are young women who have not known a united states without roe v. wade, because it has been there for 50 years. it has worked. it has worked to protect the lives of women in this country. i know that so many women and the men who support them are going to fight to make sure this is indeed the law of the land. host: congresswoman judy chu, thank you for the conversation this morning. guest: thank you. host: when we come back we will

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an update from the manufacturers. the president and lawmakers from both sides are scrambling to address this growing lack of baby formula in many stores across the country. that is one issue for you this morning. there are others on the table as well. before we get to your calls listen to republican congresswoman conference chair elise stefanik yesterday on capitol hill when the shortage on the biden administration. [video] >> right now families are struggling to feed their babies due to a horrific nationwide baby formula shortage. i cannot think of a more harrowing crisis for parents to face that desperately trying to find food and formula for the newborn babies. i have lead on this issue since february and we as house republicans continue to demand answers from the fda. when i reached out in february from my office to the fda we

received no substantive response. joe biden simply has no plan. when joe biden's white house was asked about the shortage, they laughed. shameful. there is nothing laughable or funny about this crisis. as a new mother i understand personally the severity of this challenge. my son sam is nine months old and formula fed. on my trip to the grocery store the shelves have been fairly empty. there was an article yesterday about families having to drive hours to access stores that have formula. think about the cost of gas or families on limited income. house republicans are here to push for action from the fda and the biden administration who should have had a plan for the shortage month ago. instead, bare shelves biden continues to pass the buck. they need to make your parents know where to go if the shelves

are empty at the stores. host: that is republican congresswoman elise stefanik yesterday on the hill. the washington post reports this morning at issue our supply chain problems that linger from the pandemic and a in february . according to data simply -- datasembly, more than a 10% increase from the same point last month. they start significant to him earlier this year when the number fluctuated between 2% and 8%. we are in open forum. stephen wisconsin, republican. good morning to you. what is the public policy issue on your mind? caller: i wanted to follow-up from your previous guest regarding the abortion issue.

she mentioned the majority of the polls support abortion in some fashion, which i agree with. rape, incest, ectopic pregnancy. the health of the mother, the health of the mother. most abortions are due to unplanned pregnancies because of a lack of birth control and the men are just as guilty as the women are having unplanned relationships that cause a woman to get pregnant. this is 2022. social media is everywhere. people are smarter now hopefully than they were 40 or 50 years ago. why are so many women getting pregnant with unplugged prep -- unplanned pregnancies? i'm not talking about the ectopic pregnancy, rape or incest. we should be smarter than this and they don't need abortion.

host: gainesville, florida. democratic caller. caller: are you talking to me? host: it is your turn. caller: i want to add to that. i keep hearing about abortion on the point of view of men and women and not of babies. i would like to say i think the soul survives death. when you are having an abortion you are postponing the soul for something better. babies deserve the best start possible. people believe all knowledge comes from god so there is knowledge of abortion in the first place. some babies have a right to have a father who is not a rapist or an ancestor. they have a right to have a healthy beginning. if you are profamily, how is

that helping any soul or anybody? it seems to me a ride that never gets considered. host: other news from capitol hill, yesterday in the senate, rand paul blocked the $40 billion for ukraine for military aid saying there was not enough oversight on the spending. he blocked it for a week. that is in the washington times. it passed the house earlier. also on capitol hill and the wall street journal, the january 6 committee investigating the attack on the capitol has subpoenaed kevin mccarthy and four republican lawmakers, jim jordan, mo brooks, scott perry and andy biggs. reminder to all the january 6 committee will start holding

hearings beginning june 9 on what they have found so far in their investigation. the senate yesterday approved federal reserve chairman jerome powell for another term. please been the acting federal reserve chair for weeks. his nomination approved in the senate yesterday, 80-19. lynyrd and new hampshire, independent. caller: good morning, greta. thank you for taking my call. i am accused of thinking outside the box. the first caller on the session today brought up my point. i would like to discuss it deeper. pregnancy -- exceeds me. -- excuse me. pregnancy is caused by men and nowhere in the conversation have the men been introduced to part of the problem. it all starts that way. i would like you and anybody to

start talking more about men's responsibility. i will let it go at that. that's a deep subject. thanks for taking my call. host: george from louisville, kentucky. caller: thank you. good morning. here is the thing. the gop seems to only be concerned about debt and deficits. whenever a democratic president is in office. you will find gop presidents, house, senators, what not, to gop out spends a democratic counterparts by a considerable amount. fiscal conservatism has nothing to do with political conservatism. political conservatism is about preserving the status quo and

keeping power in the hands of those who have it. that has always been the case with conservatism. one last thing about the keystone pipeline. that pipeline was designed for export, not import. we are talking about energy independence. it already had a few leaks. there was no oversight. they were using eminent domain to confiscate people's property and it is contaminating drinking water. the fact the united states citizens were not going to get any of that. the last thing i will say is the president -- we don't live with a president's economic policies. they are one potential player in the game. what they do may or may not have a fax later on down the road. they are blaming biden for everything. the gop is doing everything they can. have a great day. host: steven from underwood,

washington. republican. caller: i just wanted to say a few years back i read the united nations report on sex selection abortion and infanticide around the world. that bill congress brought up recently was not passed by the senate. it included the right to sex selection abortion. for myself i don't understand how moving the birth percentage, the sex percentage of live births from about even, 101 male births to 100 female births, up to 105 male to 100 female or higher in countries like china and other countries, what is the justification for committing gendercide like that?

the democrats included that in the bill in front of congress. i think that is a horror. that is what they have 35 million more males in china than females. that is what is going on. i think people understand it. host: some media news. stepping down as anchor of pbs newshour with plans for jeff bennett to see her -- succeed or. jeff bennett sat in the chair as one of the hosts of the washington journal. let's go to chris in porton, kansas. go ahead. caller: they keep blaming everything on democrats. they need to sit down and do

like they used to back in the day, we would not be having these issues going on. it's got to do with everything. that is all i have to say. i don't understand why they keep blaming democrats for everything. thank you. host: roy in austin, texas. caller: thank you for taking my call. i hope you're having a beautiful day. i would like to weigh in on the roe v. wade thing here. i'm a person who believes there are three times you should be able to have an abortion. rape, incest, par when the pregnancy could harm the mother carrying a child, which i have experience in that. we need to have a conversation about morals. we need to go back to instructing our young people in proper morals. making the face responsibility for their actions. you can't just have two people go to bed, decide to have sex,

wake up, get pregnant and have an abortion. that does not work. it is all about responsibility and owning your responsibility. we don't teach that. we don't preach that. we live in a society that says you can do what you want and there is no consequences. i think the conversation needs to go another direction. that is what i have to say and thank you for taking my call. host: stephen from wilmington, illinois. caller: hello. hi greta. my point about all this -- it was just illustrated again -- way too many men are calling in saying they should have an opinion. i don't think we should have a say. two of the species arguments, what if we abort the next einstein? what if we abort the next hitler? i told a mother on more than one occasion i had a rough childhood because of health problems. i prayed to god to kill me and

it never happened. host: let's go to david in georgia, independent. caller: let me say a few points about abortion. you are stepping around. there are three points for you. white women -- reach people always get abortions. two, the argument is not about all women getting abortions. it is just white women. they are killing black people every chance they get. the planned parenthood and all that crap. there is a force behind it. cap you can and said the numbers are dwindling -- pat buchanan said the numbers are dwindling. you are just worried about y'all's numbers going down.

host: eleanor in georgia? caller: i'm here. thank you for taking my call. i really appreciate c-span for your excellent coverage on the abortion issue. that is why i am calling. i was very happy to hear about the results on the senate vote the other day. i believe in the sanctity of life. a human life is precious. an abortion is not the answer. we should go back to the time where women took responsibility for their actions. in most cases, in most cases weber do have a choice. -- women do have a choice. that is just prior to conception. in today's world we concentrate on what to do after a woman gets pregnant rather than before. rather than educating men on

abstinence, personal responsibility and the option for adoption. we all make mistakes in life. we must not expect the taxpayer to find our mistakes -- fund our mistakes and lives to be dissolved because of that one action. host: another medianews, c-span is featured in politico magazine. watch c-span destroy the competition. the venerable cable network offers respectful debate has to slug it out for social media views. it's complicated. they report c-span desperately needs to reach people on social media because it has been walloped by court cutting, a phenomenon that has slashed revenues. the brutal environment has forced major changes on the

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i think with a should be doing is exactly the opposite of what they are doing. they should not be taking rights away from women. they should be giving rights to women. whatever rights they want and more. this business of forcing women to not abort is just another thing they are trying to do to take away rights from women. they should not be doing that. they should be taking away rights from men. make it so men cannot have guns. they have proved over and over again they should not have guns with the number of deaths in this country. i don't think they should be driving cars. you see these idiots on the freeway going 100 miles an hour, driving like crazy people. take rights away from men and give more rights to women. that should be the message.

host: another public policy issue is the government's response to the pandemic. the president and lawmakers marking one million covid deaths in america. here's the headline from usa today. grief, anger and frustration. the president acknowledged the milestone yesterday during a global virtual summit on the pandemic. [video] >> the pandemic is not over. today we mark a tragic milestone in the united states. one million covid deaths. one million mt chairs around the family dinner table. each irreplaceable. irreplaceable losses. leaving behind a family, their community changed because of the pandemic. my heart goes out to all of those who are struggling, asking themselves how to like a one without him? how to make a one without her?

what will we do without them? it is grief shared by people across all our nations. around the world anymore millions have died. millions of children have been orphaned. with thousands still dying every day now is the time for us to act. all of us, together. we must do more. we must honor those we have lost by doing everything we can to prevent as many deaths as possible. host: president biden yesterday. you can find it on a website, c-span.org. prerecorded remarks from the white house. we are an open forum here for the next eight minutes. the house is gaveling in early this morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern. open forum. any public policy issue on your mind. one more headline for you from the metro section of the washington post. former president sells the d.c. hotel for $370 million.

jonathan o'connell reports donald trump is leaving pennsylvania avenue again. the trump name at his hotel on signs, linens, napkins and coasters is being removed after the sale of the property to cgi merchant group for a record-setting $370 million. construction crews began wednesday night stripping his name from the exterior signage. cgi merchant is partnered with hilton to turn the property into a waldorf-astoria hotel. it was a symbol of how he mixed business and politics like no other president in history. danny and maryland, republican. go ahead. caller: good morning, c-span. i believe democrats and republicans are more alike than we are different. we are both americans. we want to live in peace, what our children to have a lighter -- a brighter future.

i want more time with the representatives. half-hour is too short. i don't like open forum, even though i called on it. i don't like it. i want more time. chu should have been there for an hour and carter should have been on for an hour. host: we would love to have them on for longer as well. they have very busy schedules when they are here in washington and when they are back home. they start their days early. it is not always easy to get even get half an hour. other networks have them on for five minutes. we are asking for a full 30, 45 minutes if we can. we understand the conversation is important and we wish we could make it longer as well. morgan in baltimore. independent. caller: i was calling to say about roe v. wade, taking away

abortions, what if your young teenage daughter gets pregnant? she is 14 years old, 15 years old. you take away her choice to be able to grow up in the successful adult. you can't do that. i mind boggled. i had a child that young age. i would not want that for my daughter. that is all the point i'm trying to make. host: florence in virginia, democratic caller. are you there? john in california, republican. hi john. caller: good morning, greta. i would like to talk about a change of subject and something that is a very sober and scary thought. that is the thought of world war iii. i believe putin when he says he

will use the bomb. i think america should be saving that $40 billion earmarked for ukraine for civil defense. i think america should start hardening its borders. i think america should start thinking about bomb shelters. i think we should think about all the things putin will do. he will drop the bomb on his terms. he sat on the border of ukraine for almost a year before he invaded. he will wait and wait until his terms/ if we are not ready, we will get blown to smithereens. i think biden is always behind the curve. he should get ahead of this curve and spend that $40 billion in america hardening america against world war iii. host: brody in richmond, texas. caller: i have a couple of

things to say. one is about abortion. i am not for abortion myself personally but i don't think i have the right to tell a woman to choose abortion or not. in this country we are supposed to have rights. i think when we start taking away the rights from our fellow americans, i don't think that is fair to everybody. a lot of people are against abortion, some for abortion, but we have to look at the rights these people have. i think that ought to be a privacy and a right for a lady to do exactly what she chooses. i think a lot of these republicans don't understand the rights we are taking away from people. host: al in toledo, washington. the house is about to come in. caller: good morning.

so glad you guys are there every morning with interviews with people. we don't have a dictatorship in our nation. i don't know of any president that has gone out and said -- caused a shortage in formula. number two, i'll be 88 years old next week. 30 of those years in military service active-duty. after world war ii, when night -- one night when i was going home from a scout meeting i heard a moan from a dork -- -- door -- host: we are here to bring you gavel-to-gavel coverage of the house. that is what we have to go now. they are about to gavel in.