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keller shares his take on the economy, then naacp president and ceo derek johnson talks about the groups priorities and role heading into the midterm elections. that is next. ♪ host: this is the washington journal for may 19. the house comes in a 9:00 eastern. every democrat and one republican voted to pass legislation that if passed by the senate would create domestic terrorism offices of the apartment online security, justice department and fbi. the legislation was in reaction to the recent shooting of buffalo -- in buffalo but the rise of cases in years. in our first half-hour when it comes to the call for those homegrown attacks, where they coming from. 202-748-8000 democrats.

republicans 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. if you want to let us know which driving the rise in the best of terrorism in the u.s. via text, you can do that at 202-748-8003. you can post on our facebook and twitter pages and you can also follow the show on instagram. the legislation was known as the domestic terrorism protection act. all the democrats in the house voting for it as well as republican adam kinzinger. -- it creates these features that would create demented terrorism units than the department of homeland security to monitor activity. it would create a domestic terrorism office in the justice department to investigate and prosecute crimes. legislation would be used to create a specific terrorism unit in the fbi. offices will be required to support -- respond to threats --

grade report every six months. the washington post highlights the fact it was represented of bradley schneider that pushed for a vote on the bill. in the wake of saturday's shooting. adding 11 of the 13 people shot were blackened authorities are investigating the incident as a hate crime. the measure was approved on a -- one republican, adam kinzinger joining the democrats. a unanimous vote on similar legislation was blocked by republican two years ago. here's bradley schneider yesterday making the argument for the bill. [video clip] >> we in congress cannot stop the likes of tucker carlsen from spewing hateful, dangerous placement theory ideology across the airwaves. congress has not been able to ban the sale of assault weapons, domestic terrorism prevention act is what congress can do this

week to try and prevent future buffalo shootings. to prevent future california shootings. future el paso shootings, future charleston shootings, future pittsburgh shootings. we need to ensure the federal law enforcement has the resources they need to best preemptively identify and thwart extreme violence wherever that appears. in 2020 this house passed the domestic terrorism prevention act on a voice vote with overwhelming support from both sides of the aisle. i want to thank my colleagues, democrats and republicans who saw the benefit of this legislation and sent it to the senate. it did not get a vote in the senate in 2020 is why we are here today. i am grateful this legislation is being brought forward today in this moment. to those who were considering voting against this bill i ask

them the following. what has happened in the two years since that they no longer support this legislation? what has changed that they no longer support giving the fbi, the department of justice, debarment of homeland security the resources they need to keep americans safe, to make sure kids in schools don't fear the threat of terrorism. but people shopping a grocery store going about their business do not have to worry about someone coming in and killing them simply because of the color of their skin. what has changed in two years that after sending this to the senate on a voice vote without any opposition from republicans, today we are not there? host: that's represented schneider from yesterday. when it comes to the legislation he was talking about, the new york times highlights the fact it would stop short of creating new federal powers to crack down on domestic terrorism and would

not create new criminal offenses are relisted designated terrorist groups or give law enforcement additional investigative powers. in a congress that long and paralyzed by legislation to come back -- or, violence, it was the bill that could best address the root causes of the shooting in buffalo. when it comes to those causes when it comes to domestic terrorism in the u.s., let us know. 202-748-8000 free democrats. -- for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents 202-748-8002. pushing back on the legislation was chip roy. [video clip] >> it's about empowerment of the federal bureaucracy to target americans. that's what it's about. it's questioning that you don't think right, it's the extension of thought crimes that's pervasive in this body that allow the government to target us for what we believe.

inherently undermining our fundamental rights as americans to free speech, freedom of association, to be able to engage, to talk with each other without having our government target us. if a bad actor carries out bad acts, prosecute him, prosecute her. but you have to do that with police that are funded, with district attorneys will prosecute the crime and you have to be honest about saying we need to target criminals for criminal acts and not thought crimes. this is nothing more than empowering the federal government to police thought and speech in the united states of america and we should oppose it roundly. host: more of that debate you can see on our website. the house coming in at 9:00 today. our first half-hour on this question. connecticut, republican line. about what's driving the rise in domestic terrorism. caller: good morning. i think will be her leaving out

in this country now is just don't know, it's the moral decay and the rhetoric that started. if donald trump did one thing, he exposed the underbelly of what goes on in washington with republicans and democrats. really i'd love to see term limits because we need to get rid of these politicians that are lifelong. host: back to domestic terrorism what do you think on causes or what's driving it? caller: that's part of the rhetoric that goes on and it's not just right-wing extremists, there such a thing as left-wing extremism. we have lost our minds in this country. i don't know. it's just pushing the envelope on everything from transgender to donald trump, i think what happened is he apt -- upset the

apple cart with the establishment. host: got your point across. steve on twitter saying when to comes to causes he says the lack of response to threats by law enforcement in a most all cases law enforcement has reacted versus proactive. there's also a lack of attention to mental illness. the liver tony and sing unchecked far right propaganda largely distribute by -- ultimately making racial and class division to fuel narratives and creating christian at fascist state arid police that's his view on what's driving domestic terrorism or may be some of the root causes their behind it. on her independent line who we are from kurt in alabama, go ahead. caller: good morning. i would like to say i don't believe it's a theory. white replacement when i see an administration allow the entire

world to walk into the back door the country through the southern border. i would say 95 percent to 100% of those people are not caucasian and since caucasian birthrates are actually low, preferring to have four dogs per child. too many dogs, not enough children. inviting the world to walk into the country primarily brown and black people. host: how is that the cause of domestic terrorism? caller: well you know, white people have this thing about being outnumbered because they are the minority in the world with all the power. they are not to be the minority domestically and demographically if we continue to allow unfettered immigration from black and brown countries. host: ok.

this is from jim in north dakota, republican line for your next stop arid --. caller: the last guy was kind of right. white people and about 150 years or 250 years. i don't -- replacement migration is something democrats talk about all the time. they are the ones who always bring it up, they are the ones, not the right and -- there hasn't been a civilization in u.s. history that has ever allowed themselves to be replaced without fighting to the death to do it. praise the american indian for fighting against his displacement. i'm not in a fight against the

fact i can become a minority. i don't really care. i have a good life. >> as far as that you're saying that theory or what's behind it is the cause of what's going on on the rest of front? caller: when you teach these young kids who were mixed up anyway and tell them every single day, from the left, not the right, the politicians tell you that you are inherently evil , we have things in college called whiteness studies and you tell them that their bad, it's like hitting them over the nose every day and telling them their bad and you wonder why rises up and bites you. these things are going to continue to happen and they are probably can get worse because it's just the natural thing. host: got your point. this is from you got america. when it comes to what you saw on the house, this legislation

which is excited to pass in the senate but they asked the question when it comes to fighting domestic terrorism, with the government should be doing specifically. the category sing the government should be doing more to fight domestic terrorism, 47% of those responded said that's the case. they asked if the government is doing enough to fight domestic terrorism alone. they asked also is the government doing too much to fight master terrorism and 12% of those responding. 20% not sure when asked the question. when it comes to those causes you can let us know what you think as far as the lines are concerned in this first half-hour. you can post on twitter, facebook pages available as well. let's hear from howard in indiana. go ahead. howard hung up. let's hear from gail on her independent line -- dale in maryland.

go ahead. >> thanks for taking my calls. what i feel that's driving domestic terrorism basically is just racism. the reason i say that. if you go back to even 1995 when the acoma city bomber blew up fellow americans are no home assayed he, and killed 168 people to what happened up in buffalo where the people that got killed at the church down in south carolina. i guess the common denominators, all of them were white supremacists including listening to a thing the congressman from san antonio, saying that they

were preaching that they got into the country illegally. unless we start -- thank you very much and i appreciate it. host: tim in michigan, republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. we do that and the reason is getting worse because -- i don't know if it's a plan or whatever, but they seem to not talk about black people in the big cities killing each other for purposes of who knows what.

so were not actually -- our country,. we need to fix that. host: tim in michigan. renee and maryland, a democrats line. caller: good morning. i usually have been independent but over the last 10 years, registered democrat. what i have heard on c-span for the last few days. i say this is an american veteran the love this country that fought for our freedom and it breaks my heart to see where we have arrived. at a place of such internal -- without recourse to reasoning. precisely because people are capitalizing on the power of hatred and that's coming from the right. and i listen to people on the right blame democrats for what

has just happened, it defies belief. anyone who listens -- with the haskell education and listens to dr. carlsen in the left -- the level of ire and anger and hatred made by fox news which is an entertainment channel. and they dominate, they have the highest ratings on television. this is where we are at. we've arrived at a place which i like to call the cold civil war. and i really fear for a future price i sleep because these people are capitalizing on hatred are in different to the bloodshed, they are indifferent to the pain. they almost want it. they'll most long for this moment with a can finally carry out this war. >> what draws you to that conclusion? fruit -- caller: for example the

article but the number of handguns out in the world since the pandemic is in the millions. we now have arms. i'm a schoolteacher arriving at the school that i teach and i remember the young kid in florida: for her death because the russians are going to give us nuclear bombs. -- crawling under our desks because the russians had nuclear bombs. now we are hiding from bullets from our own fellow citizens. you've arrived at a place where reason has been thrown out of the window by the most cynical people politicians and mostly yes from the right who really capitalize on the rising power by creating this kind of racial fear mongering. host: we got the point. again we've got about 15 more minutes. we will take your calls. a short show today because the house coming in at 9:00. if you go online you can go, the biden administration released

the first national strategy for combating domestic terrorism. a lot of elements as far as with the administration wants to do with that. you can find it online. in part this is part of document that came out in june of last year saying it's critical we condemn and confront domestic terrorism regardless of the ideology that motivates individuals to violence. the definition in our law makes no distinction based on political views. neither should we. let us disrupt and deter those who use violence. so too was -- must we disrupt and deter those who want violent attacks in a misguided effort to force change in government policies that they view as unjust. that document is available, you can find that document online. here is joe from california, republican line. go ahead. caller: i think this is kind of

a backlash going on. blacks are pandered to in the name of political correct this but we don't want to talk about that. generalize about white people being racist because of the color of their skin. you get the media with their agenda who only depicts white people in the negative. there always the culprits. you go to any inner-city -- and it's never on the news because they have their own agenda. that last caller said republicans are guilty of this. how can they be guilty -- they don't control the media, the left does. but the also -- so you've got all that going on, the media plays a big part in it and i think generally i think you have these people like that last caller was a politically correct

liberal white apologist. they certainly don't have the answers. when you have a force in this country on the left that insists on telling minorities that never consider the majority of white people individually, only consider them as one large racist group and they will say people control the media, that the center the problem right there. host: that's joe in california. when it comes to the actions or lease the impact of buffalo, of the hill online has a couple of headlines to show you. this was posted yesterday. 38 gun control groups are committing action by congress. this in light of what occurred in buffalo. the hill has this headline. the attorney general will meet with the head of the naacp to meet on issues of white supremacy. derrick johnson joining us at 8:00 this morning to discuss those themes as well. if you want to join in on that

conversation. 8:00 eastern is when you can hear from him. let's go to glenn on our independent line in arkansas. caller: the drive of domestic terrorism is three forks. our government, education system and media. the guy complaining about the right was going in to critical race hate. all three of them push hate. always about hating. it's a disease that kills. when you teach a person to hate. caller: tim, democrats line. caller: good morning. i remember immediately after the bombing in oklahoma city, the

report the greatest threat to the country was to mastic terrorism. the republicans quickly pooh-poohed the idea. one of the biggest tools in the republicans arsenal is divide and conquer. and we have seen that every election year. they pick a topic that critical race theory and they use that to divide people so that they can win elections. the policy of helping people ease zero. they never mention it. they just say you have been taken advantage of and the democrats are trying to harm you

in some way. if any of the leaders in the republican had stood up and said when barack obama was being accused of not being a citizen of this country and said that is not true, i know john mccain said that. host: that's tim there in north carolina. when it comes to the events in buffalo, new york taking its own stances when it comes to preventing what occurred in buffalo from happening again. writing in the wall street journal this morning about new york sing the democratic governor they're calling for federal legislation requiring universal background checks for the purchases of firearms. that she would look to tighten new york's already strict gun laws. the hope as it would also open a new office dedicated to making to mastic terrorism and the attorney general acting on a

referral would investigate companies or writing about the plans for the shooting, no syria -- serious threat we face from the nation's within. it is white nationalism and it's time we confronted head on. a statement from the governor late -- yesterday about seven or eight with the topic. greg and pennsylvania, independent line. >> i think the basis -- basic causes are something i don't think is a bad idea which is we have the u.s. constitution that allows people to say what they want to say. every once in a while every couple of generations there is a movement that happens and people get to respond to it, every body. and it gets uncomfortable, that's true. but this happened in the late 60's, i'm 73 years old.

i saw this in the late 60's and we got through that. we will get through this. there has to be some changes made in my personal opinion with the mainstream media. we are talking on c-span. c-span quotes washington post, the new york times near all the time. or the hill or the wall -- host: or other sources as well but go ahead. caller: occasionally you are right. occasionally. but when you have a topic and you quote the new york times or washington post at can tell you before you say another word what their position is going to be, although jeff bezos is a perley not happy with biden so who knows. it's an uncomfortable situation to be under the u.s. constitution, but it is better than any other place in the world which is why people spend money and risk their lives to

still come here. we are not the racist country that many of your callers identify us to be. host: that's greg in pennsylvania. let's hear from chris in virginia. independent line. caller: what's going on. host: are you there? caller: hello. host: you are on. go ahead. we are going to have to move on. try again, i think your connection shorted out there. west chancellor -- westchester, hensel vania. caller: -- west chance or -- westchester pennsylvania. caller: my parents taught me good and bad comes in all colors and just because they went through a lot and had a bad experiences they did not teach any of us to be hateful people

or to hate white people. so everybody with those statements out there they are not true. but also there's a lots of displaced anger today. a lot of people are angry because they feel that when new people come in that they get a better shake and a better chance. there's a lot of displaced anger , the jobs and the cost of living is way out of proportion. there's a lot of things to be angry and then the politicians which i didn't like about trump's they went in and they played on people's anger, people's fears and people's hate and they played and they used that. that was just disgusting. >> the daily beast, one of their columnists takes a look at domestic terrorism law and makes the case one comes to the issues

of buffalo not using it to call for more domestic terrorism laws. she writes this, of the questions after buffalo are myriad, how do you stop a massacre before it happens, how do you reach disaffected young men for their radicalized. does the media even report on these tragedies help fuel the next one? there are other questions. why would these new powers be the ones that succeed in tamping out extremism even after all the others have failed. how many innocents need to be ensnared before the cause of stopping one potential terrorist is too high and why should we trust the government to -- who's abused its own powers in recent history cannot abuse these new powers. that's the daily beast, the headline where you can read those thoughts. we will hear from molly in florida, republican line. caller: hello. host: you are on. caller: thank you.

i was listening to most of the callers this morning and a lot of them that are on the democratic line, i'm just sorry for them that they believe all the lies that the media is telling them. republicans are not extremists and they don't sell hate -- fill everything with hate. this president we've got is the most divisive president i've ever seen in my life and he's the most lying president i've ever seen. host: so when it comes to domestic terrorism what are the causes do you think? caller: i blame it mostly on the democratic party. they spill hate every time they are on tv. they are talking about hate. right now they are trying to make a big deal about the abortions and stuff that they want to turn everybody against each other. they are letting them parade in front of the supreme court people's homes and why don't

people use birth control? host: ok. that's molly in florida finishing off his half-hour of calls. shorter session because the house is coming in at 9:00. with a couple of guests joining us at first we will hear from the republican from pennsylvania talking about issues of the economy and issues of campaign 2022 as well. later on the naacp president with that meeting for the biden administration over the events in buffalo and issues stemming from that including the midterm election. more conversations coming up on washington journal. >> book tv every sunday on c-span two features leading authors discussing delays nonfiction book. journalist matthew -- with his book about the history of the

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our web resource page where you can watch the latest videos on demand and follow tweets from journalist on the ground. washington journal continues. host: our first guest is represented of greg keller, republican pennsylvania serves the 12th district. he serves on the education and labor committee. good morning. guest: good morning. host: we were talking about the passing of legislation paired what you think about the package that was presented and how did you vote on it? guest: when were looking at the mess to terrorism we certainly don't want to see anything bad happen to anybody, we have laws and we need to enforce the ones we have and make sure people know we are serious about supporting a law enforcement in dealing with those issues. we need to make sure we don't go too far we try to trap innocent

people up with legislation that sounds good. we need to make sure we have laws that hold people accountable for their own actions and i think a lot of times in washington we need to make sure first we are not just passing things for talking points are making sure they are substantive and will do the right thing. host: it will call for expansions of offices and offices created for looking at a mess to terrorism from when security and the fbi. what is wrong with that approach? guest: when it comes to a lot of things like that in america when people were talking about parents going to school board meetings and putting focus on that i think what we need is we are concerned about what their calling terrorism and the charge of it. there's a lot of concerns i have when it comes to trying to make new laws to enforce. we have things that are already

illegal. we need to make sure we have any large cities with the district attorneys aren't -- are letting people go out with no bail. maybe we can start enforcing the laws we have in holding people accountable and that's what i think we need to start before try to pass laws relieve talking point in midterm elections. host: another couple of issues when it comes to domestic issues. inflation being one of them. what do you see as the main driver and what's the role of congress do you think as far as reversing current inflationary trends? guest: what we are seeing is the effect of what started when joe biden was sworn into office january 20 of 2021 and started this assault on american energy because there isn't anything that gets accomplished without energy. whether you're looking at producing goods, we need energy every day in our lives and we need to be affordable and we

needed to be produced safely and as cleanly as possible in the united states does it better than any country yet we are shutting down the pipeline to move oil from canada to be able to be refined in the united states. and then we look at no more new leases, the steps the administration is taken that really dismantled her energy industry and sent a message. this should be a shock to anybody. when the president was campaigning he said he would get rid of fossil fuel. that's what he said. when that happens you understand the consequences and i don't think the administration understands what they were doing or had some other kind of goal in mind want to try and push the green new deal. what we need now is energy produced in america by americans because we do it better than anybody else and it's a national security issue and also deals with supply. you look at derivatives for the perfection of energy, you need natural gas and other things

going down to the list of items but what we need to do, what congress needs to do, a joint resolution to say luck, we will produce energy in america, we will do it safely and cleanly but send the message to the world we are not good to be supporting places like venezuela and iraq and saudi arabia to get her energy. the president has turned to to try and fix the bad decisions he made over the past 15 or 18 months. >> what is different about your legislation than other approaches to produce more energy in the united states? guest: it's not so much different it's just simply saying this is the sense of congress that we should be doing this. letting the administration know -- and i'm hopeful people -- reppert -- member's of connors represent the hard-working people across america are

probably hearing the same thing i'm hearing. so that the administration understands what the people elected to serve the citizens united states care about and may be push them in a direction to embrace to mastic energy. we hit another record this week for gas prices paid diesel fuel shortages, you look at what's happening and americans are paying more to fill their tanks, to run their businesses, to heat their homes and air conditioning in the summer time. it's really going to put a pinch on the american budget, the family budget and we should be doing everything we can to make sure it's not self-inflicted which has happened. the president is releasing one million barrels a day from the strategic petroleum reserve. that was not designed to take place for bad policy decisions.

that was designed in case there was a natural disaster or crisis around the world. what we have right now is a energy crisis created by this administration and the people supporting the green new deal. host: 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8002 for independents. you've announced you are retiring from congress. what led to that? guest: we know every 10 years there is a census and redistricting or reapportionment this 10 year census the population in pennsylvania did not grow as much edited another part of the country so pennsylvania has one less member of congress and normally the process for redrawing the maps is the legislature works with the governor and comes up with a map and that's the new district lines. our governor decided not to do

that because he felt the best avenue for his party, the democratic party, was to let it go to the courts which is controlled five to two democrats to republicans and they brought in a partisan person that wanted to favor the democrats so they cut the district to pieces and put in other districts. so rather than have the court get their way and have people in central pennsylvania and the republican party fighting over to incumbent members of congress, i decided i wasn't going to let them have their endgame where we would be having that battle. i thought it would be more important to work on this policy and get people elected to office. host: bob in utah is up first. democrats line for you are on with represented calorie. -- keller. caller: good morning. we do have laws.

we have laws, it's against the law to hire people that come across this border. but we continue to hire them. why can't we just use the laws we have instead of politicizing everything like saying we'll build this fence to keep the amount. we are wrecking our country. i fought for this country and i just hate to see it totally destroyed. people wanting to stay in power, people wanting to have power but it's mostly about money. host: what is your -- is your question about immigration related issues? caller: yes. host: got it, we will let our guest respond. guest: first it was a thank you for your service.

i would say we do need a secure southern border because when you look at what's happening, we do want people to immigrate to the united states. we wanted to do it legally and this reason we do that. president biden spin office we've had this border crisis with people surging across the border. we found people coming from the terror watch list. there are people who aren't just coming from south america and mexico. they are coming from all around the globe. and we've seen record seizures for fentanyl. we do need to secure southern border. i'll talk a little bit about making sure people have -- would not obey our laws and coming to our country illegally, yesterday in markup and education and labor were talking about funding for construction projects there

was an amendment that said they can use any labor that's from people who haven't come to the country legally. and the democrats shot that down. it sort of makes sense. if we are going to be appropriating $100 billion and a bond issue front another $30 billion for projects the governments can fund we should make sure the people who are working on those projects are legally in the united states and available to work legally. we do need to protect our southern border. we need to picture country from people who are crossing here that are on the terror watch list. host: from alabama, independent line. rick is next. caller: i have one question. you say laws that are on the books could prevent what's happening in buffalo. i was wondering what law was on the book there that they

could've used? could you think made the mistake? law enforcement? or has congress ever looked at the case of -- green in louisiana. is anybody ever looked at the video and seen what happened? host: rick in alabama. guest: thanks for the question. whenever there's a loss of life it's tragic, what happened in buffalo, is tragic. but what we need to look at is look at the history of what happened when people do things or behave poorly, they need to make sure they understand will be repercussions. there are laws against having guns in schools, against shooting other people, but what happens is when you see cities that are not prosecuting crimes of emboldened criminals, people to do things that are bad

behavior. the thing we need to look at is making sure that we start at the beginning with people and teach people, teach our kids, it all starts with education. we are talking about learned behavior. these are learned behaviors. we need to start teaching people to be more understanding and loving. when things don't go our way we should lash out right away. there's more on dexter's laws on the books and will we need to do is make sure we are enforcing those laws and not letting people back out on the streets that committed crimes and holding them accountable paid when you don't hold people accountable, other people see that and that makes it far worse. host: georgia, republican line. caller: good morning. i wanted to ask you two questions. we have three mass shootings in the last couple of weeks, the one in buffalo new york where like i killed a bunch of black

people and then one in new york where a guy on the subway shot a bunch of people. and then in california you what a person who was chinese shooting up taiwanese people. my question is what is the familiarity or difference of these three people? are they all one type of person are they three different types of person? my second is what's causing inflation, is a joe biden's policies or just price gouging from the major oil companies or is it, has joe biden pushed off the minute -- guest: the first question is i can try and get into the head of people, why they are doing these things. all three instances that are mentioned are tragic. when people are harming another individual. as i said, things are learned

behavior, people learn to hate. we need to stop saying those things. i will use an example. back in 2021 when the chinese communist party came to alaska and brett -- lecture us on human rights, they didn't -- america is not a bad country. it's a raise country in the face of the earth. we need to start embracing and stop separating people into categories and start calling everybody americans. it doesn't matter, any of your physical characteristics, what matters we are all americans we need to start having that discussion. rather than talking about policies. the people who said those things need to be held accountable and make sure we don't tolerate any hate towards anybody. that's not the people i represent. we look at each other as americans. the inflation i will say the

inflation started when we had the beginning of the biden administration and continued to put trillions of dollars out disguised as covert relief. we need to help you both a needed but $1.9 trillion in covert relief much of it has not been spent on covid. you paid people not to work, those policies. here's the whole thing with that. when you take the energy policies of this administration. trying to blame somebody else doesn't fix it. so trying to blame companies and everybody else, another biden administration tried to blame big oil companies for the spike in oil, but he's going to pay other nations for it. we need to make sure we create an environment where energy support for american energy and stop try to blame people like it's all their fault. it's the policies of the biden administration and the assault

on american energy is what created this. the war in ukraine hasn't helped things, it's added to it but the underlying cause is the policies of the biden administration when there is an all-out assault on american energy and the people get the job done every day. host: republican of pennsylvania, we have until 8:00. a couple of questions about the primaries that just played out in the commonwealth there. particularly when you look at the senate, a dr. oz with a slight lead over mccormick. what do you think is the result of that? guest: what we need to look at is because the election is that close, by pennsylvania law there will be a recount because it's within a half percentage point. i just want to make sure the people of the commonwealth of pennsylvania have confidence in the election. and as we move forward we can

continue to have that confidence. i want to make sure everybody, we can see the law is being followed and we have confidence in the electoral processes, the democratic process. i think the end of the day that's what we will see. host: of those two republicans who you support? >> guest: i'm not can it get in the middle of all of that. i just want to say -- host: you did say previously the dr. oz was a good candidate at least. host: dr. oz is. but again, i'm not going to weigh in. it really doesn't matter who i support at this point, so whoever our nominee is is the person i'm going to get behind. host: we saw president trump talk about saying dr. oz may declare winners ship. are you concerned about the process that plays out in pennsylvania this past week? guest: let's take a look at what

happens here and what we find out happened. and where things land. if the person i voted for isn't the winner i'm not going to immediately go to try and figure out or make an excuse why it happened. let's look at the facts and once those the boats have counted and we know what happened. host: as far as the democrat in that race, what you think about john fetterman and what he presents as far as a challenge to whoever wins -- whichever republican wins? guest: lieutenant governor federman, i have concerns about his policy paid legalized marijuana would be the concern i have. we are concerned about addiction and what that causes and here we have a person running for senate in pennsylvania that wants to legalize drugs, i don't think that's good policy. host: as far as the governors race, what do you think about his chances? guest: there's two people in the race, it's good to be john schapiro and doug mastery otto.

host: as far as his claims about election fraud previously, connection to january 6, any concerns about that? guest: i'm not going to try and unpack that, i want to look at the policy of the people who are running for governor and running for any office in pennsylvania. i would encourage people to do that, look at the policies and the things they want to accomplish for the people that elect them. so i would focus on that and not look in the rearview mirror. host: democrats line, go ahead. caller: good morning. allow me to try and sum up what you have gotten across to the american people this morning. you've gotten across to the american people that you can be a racist in this country, but ill feeling -- with ill feeling towards others and you would do nothing about it until they kill someone. you would know nothing to prevent it.

host: i'm going to stop you there because that's a claim i want to guest directly respond to that parents stay on the line though. guest: that's not what i said. so we are all americans. and what i said was we should look at this as americans and shouldn't look at physical characteristics to divide us. so i don't endorse any kind of hate and i don't look at anybody differently. for any reason. we are all americans. i don't tolerate any of that. i did not say that. if somebody does actions that are hateful and they break the law, the need to be held accountable for it. host: go ahead. guest: what i am saying is since you have been sitting there, one thing has gotten across to the united states, i still stand by. i still stand by what i said. here's another point. since you have been sitting there, the only thing you've gotten across to us as an american people is that you will

sit there and play politics with our lives and get criticized the president and the politics of what's going on in this country and offer roast no solution. i want to hear solutions from you. i don't want to hear childish complaints of what you think people are not doing while you are getting paid to see things get done. host: we will let our guest respond. guest: here's what i'm going to say. here's a solution for it i'll tell you about inflation and energy cost. what we need to do is open up leases on federal land. that's what we need to do. we need to restart the pipelines we can transfer the energy. we need to expedite lng facilities so we can export gas to our allies. so we don't fund people who destroy the world and wreak havoc like russia is doing on ukraine.

so we don't trance for wealth to foreign nations. it makes america strong and mix every american strong because we have a better economy, we are more resilient. there are solutions. host: marilyn, independent line. caller: good morning. -- marilyn and -- mary land. independent line. caller: you started the conversation this morning stating that you did not vote for the house bill because you felt like there were laws already on the books that prevent that kind of crime. the question i have for you is can you tell us what are the laws you are looking that that would help prevent this madman from going inside a shopping block and start killing people that you -- but he regarded as

inferior. guest: taking into account there's an investigation going on to what led up to this, i would have to see what laws the person may have already broken that should've been enforced. a lot of times will we see happen here is these are patterns of behavior and if you stop these patterns when their recognized they can be stopped sooner. we probably wouldn't have some of the issues we have. but again it starts with all of us as leaders and as your visuals to make sure -- and individuals to make sure we're not talking about things that divide us. often times if people want us, we also need to treat each other with dignity and respect. and a lot of times that doesn't happen because people make accusations and talk poorly about one another and i'll use an example used earlier, when the chinese communist party sat in alaska and lectured america on how bad it is and they used

the talking points from the dnc. that's not acceptable. we are all americans. we have a democrat line, republican line independent line. i do know why we don't have one phone line that says american line quite frankly. let's talk like we are all in this democratic republic together fighting to make life better for everybody and not dividing us based on a label. host: connie in illinois, republican line. caller: good morning. the guy that was just talking, he sounds to me -- host: i don't know how you got those determinations from the guys voice but go ahead and ask your question or make a comment. caller: no.

that's my ethnicity. host: i apologize. go ahead. caller: he sounds like a racist, the man talking sounds normal. that shooter up there in buffalo , that was not a trump supporter, there was a bernie sanders supporter. he bragged about being a bernie sanders supporter. and you are right on the border. we really need to get that closed up down there. host: representative, since you brought up immigration i wanted to ask as far as title 42 is concerned, the data for its lifting set to appear on the 23rd. do you think that will take place or it will circumvent? guest: i know it was mentioned about who people supported, i

will just say this, i'm not neglecting who someone supported. bernie sanders is responsible for that young man's actions any more than anyone else. we need to get back to the precept that americans are responsible for their own actions and we need to hold them accountable for that. the individual who committed a heinous crime is responsible for their actions. as far as title 42 i would say i'm hopeful that we'll revisit that because by the administration's own estimates, we are looking it up to 18,000 illegal aliens crossing our borders every day. keep that in perspective the capital city of pennsylvania in three days you would have that many people coming across our border. it's a humanitarian crisis that are southern border because the biden administration dismantled

the trump policies that were working and effective. and i'm not just saying that as a talking point, went to the border and met with border patrol agents, i met with people of the intake facilities. i met with the people who live along the border and we have people living along the border talking about people coming across onto their land that their family has ranches for over 100 years and people coming across carrying weapons. there's a real concern here. i would encourage the president that maybe he should be making more foreign cash maybe needs to make some trips in the united states down to our southern border and actually listen to the people for which they work. i think we should not lift title 42. i'm hoping they will rethink that action because quite frankly this not -- that a lot of people on the both sides of the aisle who think title 42 should stay in place. host: i don't think bernie sanders is any connection to buffalo as far as that's

concerned. let's hear from warren in brandon, florida. caller: i've got a comment and a question. the comment is i caller: that response you gave that gentleman from alabama, disgusting. you started talking off about crime in the cities. take people off their lives. when you get a chance, why don't you do a playback of what you said and see if you can live with that? the question i got, i heard you brought up fentanyl, i noticed you guys go all out stopping this, i do not blame you stopping the abuse of fentanyl

where it comes from. where was that energy when crack cocaine was ravaging the 1980's question mark why don't you tell the american people what the difference -- host: warren in florida. guest: i think there has been concern what is happening for diction. we look at diction differently than what we did in the 1970's and 1980's. i remember some of my family that were alcoholics. we looked at it differently then. addiction is not a character flaw, it is a disease. what we should be doing is making sure everything policymakers elected to lead to make sure law enforcement has everything they need to do their jobs. that is the policies we need to put in place to make sure we are doing everything possible to help people in america.

these are seizures reported by the federal government. the administration in charge is the biting administration. it is not like i am making the numbers up, that is the numbers they are reporting. we need to take it seriously. make sure that, wherever the drugs are coming from, we are doing everything we can to stop it. host: republican line, conrad in california. caller: bring me your hungry, your sick, you wounded, your poor. does the republican party look at that stance the same way they look at the people coming across the border? guest: america is the land of opportunity. there are some new people who want to come to america. i think jack kim said it best, and order to keep the front door

of legal immigration open, we need to close the back door of a legal immigration. there is a lot of people who want to come, we want to welcome the people. we have laws in our nation that allow for immigration. there are people that avoided very long period of time to come to america the legal way, yet you have other people coming in breaking our laws to come to america. we should be concerned when he first action somebody is taking to enter a country is by breaking our laws. i fault the people that are not enforcing the policy, the biden administration, for this issue. if you are going to let somebody do it, they are going to do it. we need to let people know, we are serious about securing our border, serious about letting people come to our country legally. they are taking opportunity away

from people who want to come by following our laws. host: the president decided to enact the defense production act for baby formula what do you think the cause is as far as the shortage, what the united states should be doing to increase that? guest: this is something we knew was happening back in february. my question to the administration is, what have you been planning on doing from february until now, when you knew the fda had a problem with this facility? i guess i would say, let's look at better administration, that enforcement, better planning. we do what we can to make sure american families have the ability to take care of their families, their neighbors. it was also representative kat cammack was down at the border and noticed pallets of baby

formula at our southern border to give to people that are coming across our border illegally. when you look at that, that is not putting the people who have obeyed the law, american citizens, first. as far as what we need to do, we need to do everything we can to make sure american families have the ability to feed their children. as we dig into this, i know they are reopening that facility, but we need to dig into how to have a secure supply of food, energy, the things americans need so we do not run into these issues. we need to make sure we are taking care of the american people that follow the law before we are sending our resources to people whose first action is coming into this country illegally. host: the fda said this issue, when it comes to supply and

distribution -- it is a supply problem. do you think that is the case? guest: if it is a distribution problem, it should be rectified quickly. sending baby formula down to the southern border when we have a 40% shortage is a distributional problem created by the administration. host: robert in lynchburg, virginia. independent line. caller: good morning. i've -- questions for the congressman. you said people should be held accountable. former president trump spewed so much racism and hatred that -- do you hold him accountable? congress get paid $13,000 a week. they sit up there and bicker, accusing each other like little kids every day. $13,000 a week, i think you need

to be -- people need to have a better perspective than just arguing about little kids, i am blaming you, you are blaming me. that is no good. you say, holding president biden -- all he has got to do is read providence chapter six verse 16, that can tell you how republicans can vote for another republican like trump, you follow satan. guest: was it $13,000 a week that the general and put out there? i didn't catch that. host: $13,000 a week, i think he ought to look at those numbers. the -- guest: we are hearing from people that are calling people names. i do not get and about. i am not going to get into

personal attacks on people. let's talk about policy. that is what creates the hate, when people calls one another names. i call president biden, president biden. i called president trump, president trump. when we allow people to put labels on people, that is what creates the division. the hate in our country. we need to get beyond that. host: frank keller, republican of pennsylvania, set to retire. what are your plans after you retire? guest: ice -- i am not sure what i'm going to do. i have a job to finish. pennsylvania's 12th congressional district, the recent map, if it stays as it is until january 2023, the people have elected me to complete a task. i intend on doing that, 100%

effort every day while my term is active. at that point in time, i will see what the good lord has in store for me. host: representative frank keller, thanks for your time. we will have a short session of open form before our next guest joins me. (202) 748-8000, for republican -- for democrats. (202) 748-8001, for republicans. (202) 748-8002, for independence. ♪ >> american history tv, saturdays on c-span two. exploring the people and events that tell the american story. live at 9:00 a.m. eastern on american history tv and c-span's washington journal will mark the 100th anniversary of the lincoln memorial's dedication with abraham ligon scholar, harold holds her. he will join us to talk about

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subscribe at any time. >> "washington journal" continues. host: if you want to participate in the open form, (202) 748-8000 , democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, independents. the president is expected to meet with leaders of sweden today. the president heading to asia for a week plus on a riot he of things, you can follow along on our website at c-span.org, and with our app. we will start those open phones with john and -- ryan in phoenix, arizona, independent line. go ahead. caller: my issue, we are

covering this border situation a lot, super tragic. my heart goes to the victims. i think he should be locked up or terminated. i think it is odd we focus so much on this, but we had a year ago in boulder, we had the syrian guy that shot boulder up, people died, i do not think c-span had a show on it. we had the parade attack, the guy drove his car through the christmas parade, he was a radical extremist. equally as bad as a white subprime missed -- so premised. the new york guy, these are not reported the same way. it is disturbing. these are all bad. we are all humans. we come together.

after 9/11, they said, do not blame the muslim population after these attacks. as a white person, i condemn -- anybody who shoots innocent people are horrible people, of any race. host: georgia, democrats line. caller: this was open line, i thought. i was wanting to discuss about the keystone pipeline, the building of it. also, the law for immigration. my question is, my study of the keystone pipeline, there were a lot of indian reservation suits against that pipeline being built. after looking at it, researching it, it has crude oil that goes

through and destroys land and water because it leaks. i know in georgia, there is a pipeline. it gets -- so many people have gotten cancer, it makes me wonder. is it have anything to do with that pipeline? that is what my thoughts are on pipelines. the other thing, the wall. building the wall cannot work. think of it. china, great wall, did that work? no. host: gary in pikeville, kentucky. republican line. caller: my comment was, why isn't the fbi more proactive? they had information of january the sixth before it happened, the boston bomber, they were warned. also, the christmas shooting in

nashua, the bombing of the building. also, the buffalo shooter. last year, it was told he made a statement that he went to get a mass shooter, would commit suicide, yet, he was cleared to buy a gun. host: more on the president's asia trip, the wall street journal singh it starts today. he visits japan, south korea, and also show a partnership with australia and india to bolster trade and investment. some allies and partners have given the plan mixed reviews for lacking specifics and not widening the access to markets. this is ron, republican line. caller: i am tired of everybody trying to divide the country. it doesn't matter if we are

black or white. we all want the same thing. food, availability, safety, and if nobody has said anything about it, the problem all these shootings happened in places where the heaviest gun restrictions are in place. if people were allowed to protect themselves, it would probably save many lives. host: delaware, jared, democrats line. caller: i had wanted to say, i have been thinking hard on this, especially since the january 6 insurrection. even more so since the overturning of -- the announcement of overturning roe v. wade. people will say it is because of states rights, while black people say it is because of slavery. i am trying to get black people to understand, if it is states rights, that is what they are fighting for now to bring abortion back to the states,

they are starting with the women because they cannot go 30% of the population is black, they are starting with the women and taking rights away from then. it is going to go on from there. the immigrants that are trying to come in, other black people, it seems like they are trying to fight the civil war. and insurrection was started -- i think it started with donald trump, the leader of the south, you can say. host: when it comes to issues of abortion, reporter jennifer jacobs saying vice president harris has a meeting today with abortion providers after 2:00 this afternoon. they will talk via videoconference, it will be livestreamed at whitehouse.gov. you can watch it there, talking about the issues you have heard about the last couple of weeks, open form until our next guest. this is david, new york, republican line.

caller: i want to make a comment , this idea, this racism, the republican party is the party of racism. we have black representatives in our congress. we have conservative intellectuals. it goes on. i get a lot about campaign solicitations, there are a lot of black republicans running for office. there is something there, i guess it is which propaganda you want to listen to. if they are choosing fox news of the propaganda, msnbc has their brand of propaganda. this division is -- i wish on

your show, you would address that more often. how many black candidates are running for office? host: david in new york. when it comes to matters of ukraine, the senate wednesday night unionist millie confirming officer bridget brink and she will serve as the u.s. abbasid or to ukraine, putting an end to -- she currently serves as the ambassador of slovakia. other stories reporting that an embassy opening up in the ukraine, u.s. embassy, let's hear from dave in virginia, independent line. caller: i want to speak to the former congressman, former guest. soon to be former congressman.

raise the issue of the border. it would be great if we looked at root cause instead of debating who is getting in, what the issues are. where do these people come from, and what are the issues in their country that we could be trying to remedy, not necessarily by ringing force, but trying to understand? the problems they face, we try to throw money at their problems. somebody happens to be speaking louder about it than somebody else. at the bottom, where you have the numbers, have the death clock on there. when they talk about throwing money at a problem, they can address how i grandchildren are supposed to pay this money back. host: in matters of money, secretary of state blinken said ukraine is going to be getting 215 million dollars in food assistance, more aid expected in the future.

he noted that "the greatest food security crisis of our time, caused by factors such as pandemic and climate, has exacerbated the issue." jimmy, florida, democrat line. caller: good morning, my friend. thank you so much. your callers are so educated, they teach me so much. i learned so much from "washington journal" each morning. talk about accountability. is that what the senator talked about, accountability? let's account for the second bush, who lied and sent us into war. let's talk about the second bush. it was october, this last year, the bank couldn't open up on

monday. they found out on friday that the banks did not have moneys to open up monday. he is saying, it was due in february, this is may, about the baby food. you see these guys? republican, the only thing they stand for is getting in the way of progress. host: ok. last call from florida for all of you participated, we appreciate you doing that. our next guest is the naacp president, derrick johnson, here talking about issues stemming from buffalo, new york, and other issues. join us when "washington journal" continues. ♪

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johnson, president and ceo of naacp. thanks for joining us. it is reported that you and other leaders of the naacp are set to meet with the attorney general over evenson buffalo. can you elaborate? guest: the naacp, along with several other organizations, we are going to have a conversation with the ag and justice department to talk about how we should be approaching this level of domestic terrorism. it is not just about buffalo. buffalo was another example of an ongoing problem we have in this country, and our lack of response only guarantees more activity that is causing harm to communities, death to individuals, and eroding our democracy. host: when you say lack of response, what do you mean? guest: we know that the

manifesto that we found out about was a copy and paste from a prior manifesto, many of these individuals are being radicalized from social media platforms, various ongoing efforts to undermine our democracy. some of these individuals are known. some of these groups are known. when you have individuals who convene on social media, you have platforms like box news who are promoting false narratives, -- fox news who are promoting false narratives, it goes against our democracy. if this was a foreign threat, we would be more aggressive in responding. these are domestic terrorists. they are causing harm. they are attacking. this is not an isolated incident. this is an ongoing problem that we must deal with as a nation. host: as far as specifics you

would like to see coming from the attorney general, what would those be? guest: we need to heighten awareness, the doj needs -- doj needs to be more aggressive, use the tools possible to go after them to stop what we have seen. we recognize the past administration a license for people to be more bold in their racial division, but we have an administration that many of us believe should be much more aggressive. this is not about taking anyone's right or free speech. this is about keeping our citizens faith. this is about protecting our democracy. terrorism should not be tolerated. the conversation with the doj is, what are you going to do about it? what are you going to bring forward to ensure that, when children go to school, they can feel comfortable? when our elderly go to the grocery store, they can feel

protected? when we go to our places of worship, we do not have to worry about someone causing in -- coming into cause harm? we have to change the atmosphere in our country. host: investigations are saying it could take weeks and more to move through that, as far as the federal investigation is concerned. does that concern you as far as how long it is going to take for them to investigate this specific case? guest: this specific case, they should take the time they need to ensure people are held accountable. this is not about the specific case. we want to have a conversation about the atmosphere that has been created over the last several years, and what we are going to do about it so we do not have another specific case. that we have the protections of the justice department, that we have the attention of state officials who are focused on this. this is a serious threat to communities. host: our guest with us, if you

want to ask him questions, (202) 748-8000 four democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003. what do you think the testis department can do to satisfy the concerns you have as far as what they are not doing and what they should be doing? guest: what are the tools in the toolbox? how can we have stronger coordination with state and local officials to ensure we zero in on the critical mass of individuals who are growing by the numbers. anytime you have a social media platform, you can radicalize a young person in the backdrop of the pandemic, they carry out this type of act. that should be alarming. if this was an isolated incident, that is one conversation. it is not, we know it. this is one of several.

think about when we had the shooting at the walmart in el paso. turned around with the killing at the kroger in louisville, kentucky. you turn around, you have the killing at a synagogue in pittsburgh. that was within seven days. we keep repeating these incidents. we have to take this as not isolated situations, these are a part of a larger scheme we believe the justice department must focus on this so we can protect communities, protect democracy. host: does that mean more gun control? does it mean more efforts along the line of what is putting out on social media question mike you keep on talking about tools, what are these tools you think the justice department has in this? guest: the social media platforms are not being accountable, section 230 have allowed them to not held liable for some of the activities on their platforms. we know we need to have principal gun control.

i like to hunt. i am not saying take people's guns, but you do not use an ak-47 to hunt birds or deer. we have to address that. there are things the adjusted -- the justice department has in their toolbox. the rise in crimes is important. what about the rise in hate crimes? that is important. what about the rise in hate crimes, we are going to have a conversation about that and understand that these are not isolated incidents. what if this was a foreign threat? we would be addressing this aggressively. we know this is a domestic threat. we have seen evidence of it over and over. the african community, the latino community -- the african-american community, the latino, -- latino community.

host: derrick johnson, the president and ceo of the naacp. go ahead. caller: i am glad to speak to you this morning. i am excited you are going to the department of justice. i might offer a suggestion. one of the reasons i think these shooters do this is for exposure, and the media has this huge echo chamber. they go into these different subjects about guns and all this other stuff. i think the idea would be, take this idea to the department of justice to diminish the shooter. that way to -- would be to create a special court with the judge, no jury, if the guy is caught red-handed like this guy or the guy in aurora, they come out and catch him red-handed. there should be a swift judgment, a swift judgment meaning the judge would say, you are the shooter.

there should be an execution within 10 days of the crime. that way, the shooter is diminished. everything is done. it is over. it is done. the guy has paid his price and move on. host: ok. we will leave it there. mr. johnson, you can respond to that, as far as what you would like to see the justice department do. go ahead. guest: it is not about the individual. we have to figure out ways to the radicalize our young people, while we need to address, who is creating this atmosphere? what platforms are they using, and what tools do we have in our toolbox to address it. it is not enough to say, there is nothing we can do, our hands are tied. if this was a true emergency, many things could be done. if this was al qaeda, what would we be doing?

if this was a threat towards the majority community, and not the black, jewish, latino community, what would we be doing? it is not enough to say, we cannot do anything. the reason we are having this conversation, the president needs to do more. to ensure that a young person online is not being pushed to a mindset that creates this tension, when he will actually go out and because these harms. this is not a video game. these are people and people's lives. we need to respond appropriately. as a whole, whether government, corporate america, or citizens, we have not responded to the threat that has played out on multiple occasions. host: in california, ed is on the line for democrats. hello. caller: i would like to tell the

republicans out there, the difference between the antifa riots last summer and the white national riots going on now, the difference is, the antifa's were looking for equal rights. they were looking for equal rights, they were not getting none, they were protesting. these white nationalists are looking for power. host: you are on with our guest. what would you like to ask him? caller: i just wanted to comment. i wanted to tell the republicans what the difference was between ent for riots of last summer -- between nt for riots of last summer -- host: how do you go about fighting a larger issue of domestic terrorism preserving civil liberties, is there a balancing act there?

guest: a little bit about the last caller. i have never seen operate under antifa. it is made up. that is a part of the rhetoric that the conservative right has created, just like critical race theory as a threat. it is made up. it is done to generate fear so people can respond. we shouldn't even repeat it, they do not exist. in terms of the twos, we are not talking about jumping over simple -- civil birdies, when it is a issue of national security, we have seen this before. with the drumbeat of division and tribalism and hate get so high people begin to go and carry out harm towards others, the real question is, how far do we go for civil liberties before we address the harm happening to

society, individuals, communities? host: what comment do you have as far -- as how far we go? guest: that is the question we have to ask ourselves. i'm not culpable knowing, if my grandmother goes to a grocery store, she could be subject to be killed because she is african-american. i am not comfortable knowing my mother who worships at a baptist church could be killed. i'm not comfortable knowing my wife could go to kroger to get groceries, she could be killed because she is african-american. that is a balance we have to address. i know that if there was a political will for society as a whole, not partisan rancor, but political will, this is a problem that could be addressed. host: joseph from florida, independent line. go ahead. caller: mr. johnson, two points. number one, i think the reason

we cannot legislate, for example, gun control, background checks, is because of the filibuster rate personally, i believe the filibuster is unconstitutional. i think supreme court should address this. we cannot get things done because of the filibuster. there were attempts made after sandy hook, there was a 75% agreement by background checks, but it was blocked because of the filibuster. you mentioned, this is a domestic problem, not an international problem. i would like to read from the mueller report, there is a paragraph called russian campaign. it says, "2014 ira, intelligence service of the russians, employees sent to the united states on an intelligence gathering mission with

instructions." then, it is whacked out, -- redacted. information warfare, via social media, staging political rallies inside the united states. ira employees boast grassroots entities, persons made contact with trump's -- host: you will have to summarize this for our guest. caller: with this information, it could be considered an international problem. host: ok, thanks, caller. guest: i agree. i'm familiar with the mueller report. i'm familiar with the report that came out after the 2016 elections. there is evidence that there is outside influence in terms of how social media, disinformation campaign is germinating from foreign countries.

ps. the question is, what are we going to do about it? how are we going to address it? how are we going to hold social media platforms accountable for putting out information that will radicalize young people to cause harm against communities? those are the things we need to put on the table and talk about. what is it we can do as a government, a nation, in corporate america to change the narrative for what is taking place? it is not acceptable have an incident, people mourn, people feel bad, a week later, it is no longer top of mind. i submit to the audience, by the time the last funeral of one of the victims of buffalo has been done, we are not going to be talking about this anymore. we will be going on to the next emergency and have another shooting. we have to stop this treadmill. it is not about the individual.

it is not about the individual incident. it is about the current climate that we must address, and that climate is deteriorating by the day, not to take away anyone's civil liberties, but to address the threat that we know is upon us. host: many of noticed the strict gun laws in new york state, still getting access to guns include -- other people have brought up mental health and how it factors in. are those conversations to have as well with the justice department? guest: the mental health crisis we had pre-pandemic was problematic. post-pandemic, it has escalated. let's be clear, you cannot have 50 states and have strict gun laws in one state and think that is going to solve the problem. all you do is create a black market. when you look at countries like canada, australia, great written, they do not have gun violence like we do.

the gun laws are much more rigid. people can enjoy the sports that they enjoy. let's not say new york -- it can change if you can shift funds from virginia. let's talk about, how do we have a sensible approach around gun control and background checks when you have majority of the members of the nra, majority of the public say backed, sensible gun control should be in place, but the gun industries control the outcome, we have a problem that corporate america is to hating policy in which is a way that is causing harm to american citizens. host: reported democrat senator joe manchin, the paradigm expose old -- proposal to -- the only reform that has a chance of passing the senate.

guest: one of the prior colors talked about the procedural filibuster. i think it is an antiquated process that was weaponized during the segregation period. we need to evaluate whether or not the procedural rule of the filibuster should be in place of this context with the overwhelming majority of the american public see public policy going in one direction, we can be held hostage by a few senators who are holding to corporate interest. we have a problem in that process, it needs to be addressed. it needs to be addressed when you're talking about sensible gun control. host: we hear next from linda, go ahead. caller: i am calling on the democrat line. host: call back on the proper

line, let's hear from roy in woodstock, georgia, republican line. go ahead. caller: i wrote you a letter yesterday. i hope you receive it. i think the problem we have and are afraid to talk about is black on black crime. this thing about it, people were killed by a black man, but -- people were shot in milwaukee. a few months ago. there were six people killed by a deranged black man in wisconsin. we know about the student at the subway, black terrorists. we do not want to talk about that. as you are talking about the mother being afraid to go to the store, there are black people afraid to go to the corner store in an all-black neighborhood.

104 black people shot in chicago in one weekend. 17 people shot, killed in one weekend. we do not want to talk about that. one last thing. i mean this with all of my heart. you've got to stop watching tv, msnbc, watch conservative tv. they are going to tell you the truth. you don't want to receive the truth, but you need to start watching the truth. host: kirkhost: that is -- host: that is roy in georgia. guest: over 80% of all crimes are committed by individuals who live in close proximity, individuals who are familiar with one another, individuals who operate in the same area. black on black crime, white on white crime, crime is crime. no one is afraid to talk about the crime problem in this country.

if you have an african-american community, you will have african-american crime. let's stop segregating out the crime problem, the crime problem is being under guarded by the lack of physical gun control. it is under guarded by the high potential of poverty. you go to west virginia, kentucky, you look at the news, you will see what crime looks like in those states. that is about poverty. that is about the deficits that many of those communities are living in. that is about little health issues that of gone unaddressed -- mental health issues that of gone unaddressed. that is the lack of opportunity for lack of education in the community. we must stop talking about this as some unique thing that african-americans have crime among themselves. whites have crime among themselves, the real problem is the lack of opportunity. the loss of hope. the mental health crisis.

sensible gun control. the lack of opportunity with education. those are the create environment people live in. i grew up in one of those neighborhoods. my zip code for many of my friends determined the outcome of their lives. i happen to be able to jump over the land mines, but i am no exception. i have two -- i happened to end up at the right place at the right plan -- at the right time. that distracts from the underlying issue of poverty. sensible gun control, the lack of an -- infrastructure to develop human capital. host: derrick johnson, president and ceo of the naacp. we hear next from henry. caller: mr. johnson, thank you for your service. if i might, one suggestion.

if the fbi, the military, the police would step up their surveillance, the military, definitely drone surveillance, in states like michigan, pennsylvania, where there are huge militia populations, they have training camps. on any given weekend or holiday, you might hear a legal automatic weapons going off in those woods. you can hear loud explosives. they are training camps for right-wing militia. we are under occupation as far as our military, as far as is, we need to reform qualified immunity. we need to step up our purge of right wing sedition nests and

insurrectionists in our military and in our police. we need to take a more serious attitude towards domestic terrorists as we would with al qaeda, any kind of foreign terrorists. host: thanks, caller. guest: i agree. january 6 was a great example of the threat that is in front of us. the fact that federal officials was able to catch before they executed, the kidnapping of the governor of michigan. we have a threat in our homeland, we must understand this threat is causing harm to many communities. african americans, we know through our history, if you allow the terroristic activities of known individuals to go unaccounted for, we are guaranteed to have more threats. that has been the history of the

african-american history, particularly in the south, but it was more than the south, the lynchings, the killings, the 1970's where people were never held accountable. every time it happened, it only emboldened more activity against our community. we have gone beyond our community now. when you're talking about an attempted kidnapping of a governor, when you look at the video, you do not have to go to any news platform, just look at the video of what happened on january 6. for the first time, you have someone walk in there with a confederate flag, the attack law enforcement officers trying to tech the capital and our democracy. we have a threat, it needs to be addressed as such. host: from california, our guest, steve in hand -- san jose. caller: i find you disingenuous.

when you made the comment that you do not believe antifa and crt exist, i find you are working towards the moral and societal destruction of the u.s. until such time as you go on, the tucker carlsen show to debate this issue, i will have no respect for you. guest: well noted, i will not go on tucker carlsen. my statement was clear. i have never met, seen anyone associated, or operate under a better cause, and people. i believe it is made up. i stick with that. secondly, most of the viewers have never heard of critical race theory until it became a popularized conversation on social media and fox news. had never been heard of. in fact, it is a research mostly done in graduate schools,

studied in some law schools. it is -- has not been implemented in elementary schools, high schools across the country. it has been a manufactured, fear mongering approach that we have seen over and over again, where they talk about replacement theory, critical race theory, and tea for. all of these things are put out there as a redmeat to generate fear. we must address, who is doing this? why they are doing this, and stop it. host: ed is in baltimore, democrats line. caller: thanks for taking my call, thanks for c-span. when another caller calls in and talk on black on black crime, you dismissed it as a buzzword. it is called the international association of colored people.

i was was touch charity begins at home. there is a buffalo happening in baltimore every two weeks. i see it. i live here. it is a dereliction of duty if i only see you speaking out against these national issues, when there are war zones in the city. yes, there is poverty. yes, there are lots of education. there are also bad people. for us, since columbine. the only response is gun control. how are they doing something illegal? how is making having this gun more illegal going to stop it? i think there needs to be an outcry from the naacp, i think you need to have boots on the ground in these war zone cities, rather than taking the opportunity of a sensationalistic happening to come out and speak. we need you on the ground every

day as it is going on. charity begins at home. host: you made that point. we will let our guest respond. guest: i didn't say it was a buzzword, i said we have a crime problem. crime takes place in close proximity to people, therefore, in a segregated society we live in, black people communities, as were crime is going to happen, in those communities. what accelerates the crime problem in many communities is poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of infrastructure to build human capital. those are things that accelerate it. then, you add on guns, you have a problem. we have always spoken out against that. we should not say, black on black crime is the problem. it is the symptom of the underlying problems around the lack of developing the human potential in the communities who are living in poverty. where you are born, your zip

code determines much of an individual's life for far too many. host: mr. johnson, have you had meetings with the attorney general on the things you are going to talk about today in the past? if so, what has been said? guest: no, we have not had this specific meeting. we have spoken to the administration prior to this incident, what are we going to do about social media platforms? how do we address the rise in hate and terrorist attacks in communities? this is urgency. when you look at this young man, he had a manifesto, much of it was copied and pasted from other manifestoes. we have a pattern. we must address the pattern. our democracy is at stake. it is not about the individual incident. when you look at all the incidents and january 6, there is a pattern.

we must address the pattern. host: david, he house comes in and about five minutes. go ahead. caller: when the capital was overthrown, that was mostly republicans. that is a hate group. those supporters are a hate group. the black lives matter is a hate group. every time they do not get a verdict or something goes against them, they go out and kill white people. this guy is preaching hate. he is preaching -- all he talks about is slavery. that was a long time ago. every time you talk about some black person hears it on the radio, goes out and kills white people -- host: those are accusations and i will let our guest respond to that. guest: i am not familiar with people going out and killing white people as a result of a bad verdict. host: andy in kentucky, live for republicans. caller: i think this gentleman

is an evil person. hear me out. this guy is like white people, same thing as a white person in his shoes. they want soul division. they do not want to come together. you do not have to have laws to fight these things. everybody knows this is wrong. everybody comes out and says it. you do not have to have laws to control everything we do. why don't you stop doing this ascension with each other? it is nuts. you are evil people. host: mr. johnson, if you want to respond to that. guest: we have to have a society, an approach to stop racialized killings that we see. we have to have a society, an approach to deal with crime in general. what we are witnessing, whether it is january 6, el paso,

pittsburgh, what happened in the bay area with a federal official, is a cordon needed effort by individuals -- coordinated effort by individuals using social media platforms to cause harm to our communities and democracy. it is for us to be in a place where we bring people together around a civil society so we can be honored with equal protection under the law and feel safe in our community. we have to have an approach to bring people together, not continue to allow tribalism to bring us apart. host: what would laws do, even if you create these laws, would it stop the problem overall? guest: first of all, you have to change the political climate. this is not a republican versus a democrat. this is about maintaining a

civil society. secondly, you have to address the systemic problems around gun control, quality education, the disparity in income and future opportunities. those things create anxiety and the problems we currently are confronted with. host: let's try to get in one more call. democrats, sarah, ohio. caller: i'm going to be quick. i think you should put metal detectors and grocery stores like they do at the airport. you cannot get through unless you screen. these people will not be able to get into our stores. host: we have to leave it there. i apologize. mr. johnson, 30 seconds if you want to make a final thought. guest: fear causes us to react

in a negative way sometimes. i understand we need to act, not react in a proactive way where people can see themselves as a part of moving forward. communities can collaborate with one another. we have an opportunity to do better. let's not allow -- the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. may 19, 2022. i hereby appoint the honorable mike quigley to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, nancy pelosi, speaker of ofthe house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will be offered by chaplain kibben. chaplain kibben: would you pray withe.