tools. we will also discuss the cdc to revive covert vaccines to children under five. he sure to join this discussion with ♪ host: at yesterday's january hearing the focus was not on the violent attack on the capital rather the intense pressure campaign leading up to the counting of electoral votes. election officials from georgia, arizona and michigan testified on the near constant pressure and threats from president trump and his supporters to change those states electoral votes. good morning, it is june 22, 2022. welcome to washington journal. we will ask you about the testimony yesterday of those officials and your thoughts.

republicans aligned to uses 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents and others, 202-748-8002. we welcome your text messages at 202-748-8003. tell us your name and where you are texting from. you can post on facebook and we will look for your thoughts and comments on twitter and instagram @cspanwj. we will show you some of the testimony from those election officials and just a bit. we will bring you also an update on the senate gun legislation, some primary results in several states. first tour opening question about the pressure campaign on several states this testified from officials paired this is the headline from cnbc. trump aide direct and personal role in pushing states to overturn bidens win january 6 panel size. the fourth hearing investigating the capitol riot's served

tuesday -- heard tuesday from state officials from georgia and arizona. about how then president trump and his allies leaned on them to help overturn his loss in the 2020 election. the georgia secretary of state, who trump asked to find votes in a leaked phone call testified trump received fewer votes than expected because 28,000 republicans who voted did not choose a president that year. supporting gop candidates for other offices instead. the chief operating officer gabriel sterling told the panel he had become irate when election workers were threatened after trump made false claims about the results. one of them he said was threatened to be "hung for treason" after transferring election report to a county computer. republican arizona house speaker described how painful it was to have friends turn on him "with such rancor" after he refused to

overturn bidens win and how a pistol toting man threatened his neighbor during protests outside of the home. form a majority election worker testified about the racist threats and death wishes she received after becoming the focus of a trump conspiracy theory. they write -- former congress -- adam schiff called the election results -- we will hear from the testimony this hour for those who testified yesterday. first to comment some adam schiff as the hearing got underway. >> the president's lie was and is a dangerous cancer on the body politic. if you can convince americans that they cannot trust their own elections and any time they lose it is somehow illegitimate, than what is left but violence to determine who should govern. this brings us to the focus of

today's hearing. when state elections officials refused to stop the count, donald trump and his campaign tried to put pressure on them. state executive officials refused to certify him the winner of states he lost, he applied more pressure. when state legislators refused to go back into session and appoint trump electors, he furthered the pressure prayed anyone who got in the way -- was a subject of a dangerous and escalating campaign of pressure. this pressure campaign brought angry phone calls and texts, armed protests, intimidation and all too often threats of violence and death. state legislators were singled out. so too were statewide elections officials. even local elections workers diligently doing their jobs were accused of being criminals and

had their lives turned upside down. as we will show, president supporters heard the former president's claims of fraud and the false allegations he made against state and local officials as a call to action. >> stop the steal. you are a threat to democracy. you are a threat to free and honest elections. >> you're a tyrant, you are a felon and you must turn yourself into the authorities immediately. >> 45 minutes later we started to hear the noises outside my home and my stomach sunk and i thought it's me. and then it's just we don't know what's can happen. the uncertainty of that was what

-- was the fear. are they coming. are they going to attack my house. i'm in here with my kids trying to put them to bed. that was the scariest moment, just not knowing what was going to happen. host: here on washington journal this morning asking you about the testimony yesterday of the pressure put on state officials about the electoral count. 202-748-8001 is the line for republicans. 202-748-8000 free democrats. -- for -- for democrats. a couple comments on twitter. merrick garland must prosecute him. d.c. says threats are just one tool and trumps filthy tool bag. his minions will imitate them because they don't know any better. the bulldog says there will be no criminal charges filed against trump.

january 6 earrings are simply an anti-trump 2024 campaign paid for by the taxpayers. capitalizing the hearing yesterday on what happened this is the wall street journal headline. state officials tell of intense pressure after -- to alter vote results. it's got a call spread we hear from sandy on the democrats line in maryland. caller: i wanted to say you all do a great job. the cancer pervades the congress and i hate to say it, the republican congress. they are so afraid of this man, they have absolutely no backbone. no leadership whatsoever and the leaders they have lie when confronted with the lies, they still live paid it is unbelievable. so until they are weeded out, and i mean really weeded out, it's can get worse and worse. he has ruined america and those

republicans help them tremendously. all they are, vindictive and they are all voting for the ones who denied the election. it's unbelievable. just unbelievable. it is shameful and we look like a fifth world country. host: to massachusetts, bill is on the republican line. caller: how you doing. i've got three comments. number one, when is the investigation going to take place on what the democrats did on january 6. there's nobody been arrested for the pipe bombs on the side of the capital. there's never been an investigation of why the police in the national guard weren't there and there's never been an investigation of the people -- there was a lady lying on the

ground who was unconscious and got beaten to death by the capitol police when she was already unconscious. when is c-span going to have a show on the 2000 mules. the other half of the country where some guy went 40 some times the same drop-off. why would someone go 40 sometimes to the same drop box because that's fraud, that's why. this is now c-span, i'm never calling and i'm never listening. all the republicans out there don't listen to c-span anymore. host: to gates, north carolina on the independent line. larry go ahead. larry and north carolina you are on the air. caller: good morning sir. thank you for taking my call.

host: doing fine, you are on. caller: i really feel adam schiff is someone you should not look for. he is someone that has perpetrated a big lie himself it's called russian collusion. ever since mr. trump and became president trump, before he was even inaugurated, you had somebody yelling impeach 45. so this man has done on -- a great job under duress the entire time he was the president. it was constant\by democrats

because their lady in charge hillary clinton did not win. that's the unfortunate part because when the president wins everybody should say we are enjoying life and hopefully they will do the best for our country. unfortunately that's not what happened. so therefore you have the scenario we have today and it's sad. thank you for your time. host: new haven, connecticut, democrats line. caller: my name is doris. i just want to say that the democrats and liz cheney and the other person in the republican party, they are doing a good job, they are telling the truth and what's happening is this is

not about either party. this is about our democracy. that's what this is about. and trump did everything to stay in office and it's wrong and i really commend all of them. they did not want to break the law. they could have been prosecuted and trump and giuliani and all those people were trying to keep trump in office. they did not care what they said or did. they should all be prosecuted for it. one last thing, of the people talking about russia and trump first election. there is a video online where pruden said that he directed people to help trump in that

first election. it should be an insult to republicans intelligence to listen to the lies that fox news is telling. that's my comment. thank you so much. host: this is the wall street journal. state officials tell of intense pressure to alter vote results. they write this morning republican officials in states president biden narrowly won call of former president -- recalled how former president trump pressured them to alter the results of the election. when the house committee investigated the january 6 to 21 capital riot and events leading up to it. the hearing was a 4 -- fourth in a series examining mr. trump's attempt to contest the election results in georgia, arizona and other states following the november 3, 2020 vote. it also talks about efforts by republicans and disputed states to cement false slates of electors ahead of january 6 when

lawmakers convened in the capital to count electoral college votes. the select committee is aiming to show mr. trump was aware that his claims of election fraud were unfounded and risked causing violence that could rise -- rise to criminal wrongdoing. they say mr. trump had denied any wrongdoing connected to the capitol riot while continuing to falsely claim the election was stolen. he was impeached by the house for inciting insurrection and acquitted by the senate. mr. trump and his allies lost dozens of court cases around the country challenging the 2020 election. no court or election authority found evidence of widespread fraud the could have affected the presidential outcome. one of those officials was the secretary of state of georgia who testified yesterday and asked by adam schiff about the phone calls within president donald trump. [video clip] >> the president didn't stop insinuating law enforcement was

dishonest or incompetent. he suggested you could beast held for criminal liability. i would like to show you something the president retweeted a couple weeks before your call with him. here is the president retweeted in a post from one of his allies. a lawyer who was later sanctioned by a judge for making false claims of election fraud. let's take a look at that tweet. the tweet read president trump is a genuinely good man. he does not really like to fire people. i bet he dislikes putting people in jail, especially "republicans." he gave brian kemp and the secretary of state every chance to get it right. they refused they will soon be going to jail. so this was not the first time the president was suggesting you might be criminally liable with that. let's listen to this portion of the call. >> i think you're going to find

that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned, the ballots are corrupt. and they are brand-new and they don't have seals and there's a whole thing with the ballots. but the ballots are corrupt and you will find that they are which is totally illegal. it's more illegal for you than it is for them because you know what they did and you are not reporting it. that's a criminal offense. you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you and to your lawyer. that's a big risk. >> after making a false claim about shredding a ballot, he suggested you may be committing a crime by not going along with his claims of election fraud. and after suggesting you might have exposure, president trump makes his most explicit ask of the call. let's play a part of that conversation.

>> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> was the president here asking you for exactly what he wanted? one more vote than his opponent. >> what i knew was we didn't have any votes to find. we investigated, i can share the numbers with you. were no votes to find. that was an accurate count that had been certified. as our general counsel said there was no shredding of ballots. host: some tweets from viewers paid this one from jodi saying we look like a tin can dictatorship when trump can get away with what he tried to do. roberts is a good portion of the population believe trump was robbed and you can change that. tony says i've whiplash. the same people who defend mobs

illegally intimidating supreme court justices now regard pressure by legally picketing is a subject for a national panic. back to your calls on the testimony yesterday and the state election officials. california next up. steve on the republican line. caller: trump got ripped off in the election. the liberal media serves as the -- the left and hate him 24/7. he was up 700 and 800,000 votes respectively and collectively in those three states. very little investigative research going into that. the real investigation not to be about the media and how bias and how hateful they are towards any conservative, any republican. i look at c-span and even just the way you couched and contextualized those questions

this morning is a big conservative defensive and so forth. you don't have a conservative on -- not one of your guest journalists is conservative. you guys have swarmed to the left trying to masquerade as an unbiased and so forth. when you look at the substance of it, you don't have any. host: let's hear from james on the independent line in tennessee. caller: the republican with the head in the sand. i don't know why these people think that we will go backwards. thank you. >> stephen is next in baltimore on the democrats line. good morning. caller: i watched the hearing

and i got so angry and how they treated the election workers. i really don't know what's wrong but you wonder why because back a lying monster like trump. black people riot because they lose their life over people who are paid to protect them but you guys riot because you lost an election. really? stephen from california, yes they did do studies. you just can't accept the fact the republican party lost. i'd like to thank the trump voted for answering the question for me that been bothering me for so long. how did the modern nation with a rabbit hole of death instruction follow hitler's.

but now i know. when he points his fingers and says there's the answer to your problem. if we get rid of them just like we had at the convention -- as for the black people who back trump. jesus had judas and we you. thank you. host: the caller mentioned testimony of shay moss was a fulton county election official. here is the headline from politico. one of several about her testimony. from a georgia election worker testifies how false trump accusations changed her life. here is some of that testimony yesterday. [video clip] >> miss moss, how has this experience are being targeted by the former president and his allies affected your life. >> it turned my life upside down.

i no longer give out my business card. i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name. i don't want to go anywhere with my mom because she might yell my name out over the grocery aisle. i don't go to the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all. i've gained about 60 pounds. i don't do nothing anymore. i don't want to go anywhere. i second-guess everything that i do. it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies and me doing my job. the same thing of been doing forever.

>> your mother also told us -- at the committee has should leave her own home for safety and go into hiding after the fbi told her it would not be safe there and until the inauguration. let's listen to the clip of her story in her own words. >> around the week of january 6, the fbi informed me i needed to leave my home for safety. and i left my home for safety around that time. >> how long did you stay -- remain outside of your home for your safety? >> i stayed away from my home for approximately two months. it was horrible. i felt homeless, i can't believe this person has caused this much

damage to me and my family. to have to leave my home that i've lived there for 21 years and i'm having to have my neighbors watch out for me. and i have to go and stay with somebody, it was hard. it was horrible. >> testimony from shay moss and her mother there in the deposition hearing. new york times election officials still unnerved by threats that lies unleashed. miss moss and her mother became the targets of trump supporters after mr. giuliani falsely accused them in a georgia state senate hearing of passing around usb drives like "vials of heroin or cocaine to steal the election from trump." what her mother actually handed her ms. moss testified on tuesday was a ginger mint candy.

let's hear from don in riverside, california on the republican line about yesterday's testimony. go ahead. >> we have had to listen to adam schiff on every news channel and he's always been the same way saying he's got positive proof that donald trump stolen the election or donald trump is colluding with the russians. donald trump this and that. he is the biggest liar out of there on that committee and if you look at him right now he looks really tired. host: new york city is next up, sophia on the independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. in 2016, roger stone the word he used, stop the steal. he had almost 2 million people

-- that they send us. for me, that's when it starts. mr. trump never thought he was going to win in 2016. when he did he was shocked. i try to make it short. no matter what happened, for you guys, c-span, i've been watching you for 35 years. they pushed him. please be strong. one of the callers he attacked already. be strong, be there for us. you were the host i believe three years ago.

the governor of maryland was the whole -- as said the first time when i called. 50 years ago, russia says the russian government says american goodhart but stupid. host: we are going to move on to otis and destroy -- in detroit focusing on the testimony of several election officials before the january 6 committee. caller: good morning. one thing i was saddened about how the nonpolitical staff members were treated, other family was treated just listening to the testimony, especially the young african-american female. but the republican elected officials i didn't realize how

much they had to go through listening to their testimony. theirs was -- there was if you don't stand up on someone being attacked once they killed all of them -- once they destroyed all of them even though you -- you were next. staunch conservative republicans and yet the way they were treated. the one gentleman said he thought he had these great plans and out of fear just to maintain their own power they attacked. that was the sad part to me. the republican conservative radio like fox television, they talk about things marching around sipping court justices home. i flipped through all the channels.

them talking about the young lady, the republicans and others in this united states. how people attack their homes and their threats to their family and children. that's all i wanted to say. host: this is from the hill this morning. state republicans say trump wanted them to break laws to keep them in power. they write former president trump's campaign pressed state gop officials to overturn the results violated state laws, defied the constitution and led directly to violent threats that continue to this day paid a number republicans testified on capitol hill. appearing before the house committee. republican officials said trump steam led by the president himself made fantastic allegations of voter fraud and asked numerous state figures to break the law to keep trump in power despite his clear defeat.

one of those was the speaker of the house in arizona, republic and russell bowers describing his conversations with president trump. [video clip] >> during that conversation did you ask mr. giuliani for proof of these allegations of fraud. >> he said they did have proof and i asked him do you have names. for example you have 200,000 illegal immigrants in some large number, five or 6000 dead people, etc.. i said do you have their names. yes. will you give them to me? yes. the president interrupted and said give the man what he needs, rudy. he said i will. that happened on at least two occasions. >> mr. giuliani was claiming

there were hundreds of thousands of undocumented people and thousands of dead people who had purportedly voted in the election. >> yes. >> and you asked them for evidence of that. >> i did. >> did you ever receive from him that evidence either during the call, after the call or to this day? >> never. >> what was the asked during this call? he was making these allegations of fraud but he had a couple of things they want you to do. what were those? >> the ones i remember were first of that we would hold, that i would allow an official committee at the capitol so that they could hear this evidence and that we could take action thereafter. and i refused. he set up -- i set up to that time the circus had been brewing with lots of demonstrations both

of the county center in the county center in the capitol and other places and i didn't want to have that in the house. i did not feel like the evidence , rather in its absence, merited the hearing and it didn't want to be used as a pawn if there was some other need that the committee hearing would fulfill. so that was the first ask, that we hold an official committee hearing. >> what was his second asked? >> i said to what end, the hearing? he said we'll -- well we have heard by an official high in the republican legislature that there is a legal theory or legal ability in arizona that you can remove the electors of president biden and replace them and we

would like to have the legitimate opportunity through the committee to come to that end and remove that. i said that is new to me. i have never heard of any such thing. and he pressed that point and i said look, you are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath that i swore to the constitution to uphold it and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona and this is totally foreign and idea or a theory to me and i would never do anything of such magnitude without deep consultation with qualified attorneys and a got some good attorneys and i will give you their names. when you're asking me to do something against my oath and i will not break my oath. host: comments on the testimony

on social media. rebecca tweets election results were questioned, a dj teesside went to court 60 plus time spread once the court challenges are exhausted its the intimidation and threats that become questionable. one says it's amazing how this is set up. it's republicans talking, nobody is putting words in their mouth and then trumper's are mad and confused and don't want to admit he tried a coup. keep sending him money, he needs it. it calls it -- spoiler alert, it will end the same as the other two. back to your calls to howard on the independent line in miami, florida. caller: good morning. for me, what is happening now is a consequence of the republican party panicking when obama was elected in 2008. outraised mccain two to one.

the republican went nuts because an african-american wasn't supposed to be a threat to being elected to the presidency until the mid-20 40's when the minority population would become the majority. republican party did the following. they did citizens united which is a case they brought and managed to get the supreme court dotting all the campaign finance laws so now they had access to the money they needed, they could take care of the differential they suffered from the disparity in the contributions in the obama elections. and in 2013 they eliminated the voting rights act as they can pass all the voting suppressions laws at which -- in which they have done. so now they created the situation and have control the government and what they've done

since then is let the republican oligarchs are buying up the media, when the tribune was for sale they bought the tribune. when mcclatchy was for sale they bought mcclatchy. and they created this structure with all the things they did, with the money and with voting rights law they eliminated, decreed this structure where they can win the elections. the problem is down the escalator in 2015 came donald trump. and donald trump has appealed to all the people in america that neither party has served for so long. the republican party doesn't care all about the population with all the things they've done but trying to eliminate the affordable care act. that is probably going to go. they say the supreme court with

mcconnell, two illegitimate appointments. with cavanaugh and amy coney barrett. those should've been in the normal course of appointments by the democratic president in power. but the republicans took that with mcconnell refusing to even consider merrick garland who was unanimously approved us chief justice of the second circuit court. down the escalator comes donald trump and he appeals for all the american people who have been lied to by the republican party with law and order, immigration reform and they have been totally just fully disenchanted with the democratic party who never seem to get anything done. and so trump comes down the escalator and he appeals to all these people that have been alienated by both parties and

the structure that the republicans created so they can keep electing republicans especially the presidency. and he seizes power from having that structure in place. and then the republicans working with trump, they don't care what he does as long as he does what they want. what they want is to stack the court with as many appointees as they can from district courts and appellate courts and the supreme court. host: we will go to sam and crystal springs, mississippi on the republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. this whole thing. first of all giving adam schiff so much time on your program is just ridiculous. he is a total loser. i think he has a crush on donald trump. the main point i want to talk about was the fact i'm not sure why they are still on his tail

the whole time. he's been impeached twice by the house. the problem is he is knocking to be our nominee. it's going to be ron desantis and all the stuff now is a total waste of time and the democrats including all throw what's her name and the two republicans in with the democrats, they should be trying to work on how to get the united states back to where it needs to be. obviously biden is a total disaster as well as his vp. at an even know what her name is because she's absent. the bottom line is ron desantis will be our nominee and he will win decisively. i can't even believe biden is even going to try and go for president in 20 24 because he is going to lose and they will lose everything this year in the house and the senate races and i can't wait for this to happen.

adam schiff needs to be gone. potato head thompson from mississippi. he's my representative and he is a total disaster. he's done nothing for the state and the district he's at this whole thing is just a total farce. host: want to let you know about some of our coverage today. hearings live yesterday. here's what's ahead regarding hearings coverage on the c-span network. coming up at 9:30 eastern this morning, federal reserve chairman jerome powell testifies of the nation's economy and the fed fight against inflation. live coverage of 9:30 eastern. there's also a free mobile video app, a c-span now are online at c-span.org. and later as sweden and finland hope to join nato. state farm and will testify on the organizations possible expansion, though the senate foreign relations committee live

at 2:45 eastern on c-span3 paid online at c-span.org and you can watch it on the free c-span now mobile app. independent line next. rob in fort crane, new york. caller: good morning. your last caller was right about everything. adam schiff, bennie thompson. i want to talk about another caller who is talking about the media. i totally agree. i hate to say because i've been listening to you guys were about 30 years. but you are right at the top of the list when it comes to disinformation. mike lindell had all the information about the voter fraud on the machines, you wouldn't put them on despite hundreds of callers asking you to and now you've got 2000 mules and are not even talking about dinesh desousa having him on. i wonder what's going on c-span. thanks though. host: north carolina, republican line. it is mike. caller: good morning.

the last two callers kind of are accurate. looking at the january 6 committee. first it was the russian hoax, that was proven to be a lie and then we are supposed to believe these people when there is no ballots, absolute no ballots on that committee -- balance on that committee. i hate to say it but the last two callers were correct. c-span has become part of that. there is no balance. you don't have 2000 mules desousa on your program. you don't have true to vote on your program, mike lindell. you've lost a sense of balance and many people just don't trust you or the joke that is the congress january 6 committee anymore. i'm sorry to say that, but it's your actions.

that produce this distrust. host: part of the testimony was officials from georgia including gabriel sterling, the secretary of state chief operating officer. he testified yesterday about -- he directly addressed president trump during one of his news conferences in december. here's what some of gabriel sterling had to say. [video clip] >> thank you for being here today per following the 2020 election in addition to your normal duties i understand you became a spokesperson to try and combat disinformation about the election and the danger it was creating for election officials among others. in a december 1 cup press conference you addressed some of your remarks president trump. let's look at what you said that day. >> mr. president. it looks like you likely lost the state of georgia. we are investigating and there is always a possibility, you've the right to go to the courts.

you don't have the ability to do is stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. someone could get hurt, someone is going to get shot. it is not right. it is not right. host: what prompted -- >> what prompted you to make these remarks? >> mr. schiff we had had a previously scheduled press conference that day and as we were in the habit of doing being as transparent as we could about the election and the counts going on. a little after lunch that day, i received a call from the project manager from dominion voting systems who was oddly audibly shaken pitch is not the type of person i would assume to be that way. she's a graduate of the naval academy it is very much on the ball. she informed me about a young contractor they had who had been receiving threats from a video head that it reposted by some qanon supporters.

at that point we had been sort of steeping in this stuff. it was around us all the time. i took note of it more than adding to the pile of other stuff we were having to deal with. and i did pull up twitter and i scrolled through it and i saw the man's name. a particular tweet that for lack of a better word was a straw that broke the camels back. the young man's name, i believe a first generation american. it had his name, you have committed treason, may god have mercy on your soul with a slowly twisting gif of a noose. for lack of a better word i lost it. my boss was with me at the time, the deputy secretary and she could tell that i was angry, i tend to turn red from here up when that happens. she called secretary raffensperger to say we are seeing these kind of threats and gabe thinks we need to say

something about it. the secretary said yes and that's what prompted me to do what i did. i lost my temper, but it seemed necessary at the time because it was just getting worse. i could not tell you why that particular one put me over the edge, but it did. >> after you made this plea to the president, donald trump urges supporters to avoid the use of violence. >> not to my knowledge. host: we will hear from roy in woodstock, republican line. good morning. caller: i hope you will allow me to tie this all in together. it's a wake-up call for people to read the bible. what's going on in america. this story. but bail him did take to lead them to commit and one way to

turn anger against the israelites he was successful. a plague killed 24,000 people. today there is an enemy trying to take -- to our teachers. the same people that have the summer of violence of the perpetrators are supporting the gay community. host: on the issue we are talking about here, the testimony of officials. you two georgia officials testifying on the pressure they got from president trump on the electoral vote spread what do you think of their testimony? caller: if this is true. donald trump was sent to drain the swamp. he refused to do it. a refused to drain the swamp in the swamp has turned the table. donald trump warned us, he warned us about the spread he

warned us about the military-industrial complex. he refused to drain the swamp when he had an opportunity and they are coming after him. all this, the media, this january 6 is all about trying to get back at donald trump because he is an outsider, he tried to church -- straighten things up and they do not want it to happen. -- he tried to straighten things up. the news is so fake. the mainstream media does not even hear the truth. they do not even hear the truth. they are protected from the truth but they listen to lies all day. they really need to hear both sides of the story and then they can make a decision. host: two are democrats line. jacksonville, north carolina. good morning.

caller: good morning. i just want to say the previous callers talking bad about c-span. c-span is news. they can handle the truth because i always listen to c-span and get the real news just like some of the other stations that do have the real news. a lot of these people that are calling in on the republican line look at fox news, which as of an example was looking at all the news stations this morning and most of them were talking about january 6 but fox news is talking about a lake in minnesota. they bypass the truth and they do not want to talk about what's really going on with january 6. donald trump is a criminal. he tried to overturn our election and he committed treason. he should be arrested and put in jail and he should never be able to run for president again. he's caused nothing but pain and heartache for the united states of america.

america was a laughingstock when he was president. i feel like everybody on that committee is doing their job and what they don't understand is the republicans denied even to have a committee but then they want to turn around and complain about who is on the committee and yet there are two republicans on the committee. they're doing a good job revealing the truth but people that are republicans that are trump supporters they don't want to listen to the truth. they don't want to see the crimes trumpets continue to committed since he became president and even before he was president. he committed crimes sexually assaulting women. i say donald trump, doj, needs to go to jail and all the people who had something to do with it they need to go to jail. host: yesterday's testimony will be showing you some testimony of state officials from georgia, arizona and also featured some

depositional testimony on video including the comments of republican national committee chair ronna mcdaniel. [video clip] >> in december the electors of each state meet, cast the votes and send those to washington. there's only one legitimate slate of electors from each state. on the sixth day of january congress meets in a joint session to count those votes and the winner of the electoral college vote becomes the president. in this next segment you will hear how president trump in his campaign directly involved in advancing and coordinating the plot to replace legitimate biden electors with fake electors chosen -- not chosen by the voters. you'll hear how the campaign convince these fake electors to cast and submit their votes with certificates telling them their votes would only be used in the event president trump won his legal challenges. yet when the president lost those legal challenges and courts rejected them as frivolous and without merit, the fake electors scheme continued.

at this point president trump's own lawyers walked away rather than participated in the plan and his own white house counsel's office said that the plan was not legally sound. let's play the following video produced by the select committee. >> i am an investigative counsel for the house select committee to investigate the january 6 attack on the united states capital. on november 18 a lawyer working with the trump campaign wrote a memo arguing the trump campaign should organize its own electors in the swing states president trump at lost. the select committee received testimony that then president trump begin organizing state electors for trump in states that biden one in the weeks after the election. >> who do you remember being involved in those early discussions regarding having alternate electors? >> mr. giuliani, several of his

associates. mr. meadows. members of congress although it's difficult to distinguish if the members were involved at thanksgiving or progressed through december. >> what did the president say when he called you? >> essentially turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case of any legal challenges. that were ongoing, change the result of states. i think more helping them reach out. my understanding is the campaign took the lead and we were

helping them in that. host: here is the reporting of the new york times on yesterday's hearing. mapping his attack on democracy. they write the house committee investigating the january 6 the tech directly tied to donald trump on tuesday to a scheme to put forward fake slates of pro-trump electors and presented fresh details on how the former president sought to bully, cajole and block his way into invalidating his 2020 defeat in states around the country using sworn in-person testimony from republicans and videotape deposition from other officials, the panel showed how the former president of the group of allies laid siege to the state lawmakers and election officials after the balloting in a wide-ranging plot to reverse the outcome. the campaign alleged harassment and threats of violence against anyone who resisted. the times writes the hearing on tuesday amounts to the most

comprehensive picture today of a president who directed an attack on democracy itself and reached into its essential machinery, of the administration of free and fair elections. comments on twitter about the conversation. those officials didn't do much for me because they were doing with her was supposed to do. the two election poll workers didn't deserve to be treated the way they were because they didn't do what they were accused of doing. miss moss and her mom are heroes. mlb says listening to the former occupant of the oval office in his own voice in taped phone calls to loyal gop supporters and yet his followers still accuse everyone else of lying. they all need to turn in their drivers licenses because they are blind and deaf. the bulldog says the words illegal and unconstitutional are being used interchangeably in this discussion. however the word illegal and unconstitutional do not equate to criminal especially in the context of presidential electors and the appointment thereof by

state legislature. let's hear from dennis in fontana, california on the independent line. caller: it's amazing to hear conservatives actually depend -- defend what happened rather than going to the central theme and that is the cat's out of the bag. you have trumps political advisor and chief spokesman, you have is campaign general counsel , the white house political director. you have's son-in-law who happens to be his senior white house advisor and his daughter that agreed with the attorney general's assessment that there was nothing. and yet they come on c-span and they chase every point but the central fact that all of this time they were saying it was a witchhunt, it was a hoax, it was everything else is coming from the horses mouth. it's right to their. -- it's right there.

to attack members of the committee is really sad. they are just doing their job of previous caller said. it's really sad to attack committee members. especially in a bind of maybe not being reelected. host: to jessup, maryland. republican line. go ahead. caller: i just don't understand why everybody is against everybody else, it's not really going to get anything done and i don't understand why they keep going after mr. trump when a whole lot of things were happening with hillary clinton, hunter biden and everything else. i think it's a shame that people can try to get along and that's all i have to say. host: next up is doug on the republican line. oxford, new jersey. caller: i just want to know why

this supposedly bipartisan committee is withholding all the 13,000 hours of video footage when the gop asked for it and some of that footage is a video of a d.c. capitol police beating rosanne boyland to desk -- to death with a club. it is absolutely sick. this whole thing is a witchhunt. liz cheney and adam kinzinger, they've jim banks -- the kick jim banks in jim jordan off. this will hurt them in november. host: our program continues here on washington journal in just a moment, we will be joined by represented jim himes, democrat of connecticut and a member of the financial services committee. we will talk of a number of issues, inflation, the economy and congressional news of the day. later on, we will talk about

yesterday's supreme court ruling that the state of maine may not exclude religious schools from the state tuition program. january 6 committee enters dave five of the public hearings. watch as they examine the trumps administration's attempt to overturn the results of the election. coverage continues live thursday at 3:00 p.m. or anytime on life at c-span.org. you can also visit our website c-span.org/january 6. your unfiltered view of government.

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a problem that is getting worse in this country which is more and more wealth and income is and income is concentrated in a small group of wealthy americans. the problem with that is that this country has always lived in poverty but the middle-class tht this country has always lived in poverty but the middle-class, rent is really expensive and the problem with that, i, i think at of the volatility in our politics is attributable to the fact that the system isn't working for them. we will put together as many recommendations as we can. without some support from both parties it is really hard to get through. what is the makeup of the committee?

guest: the democrats are the majority because we have the majority. my republican ranking members, we put a lot of time into making this a committee, not just another platform for the two parties to throw mud at each other but to get at the issue. economic disparity is not a blue or red issue, it is everywhere. we are trying to keep it issue focus. host: as you do your work, you are seeing the impact of inflation across-the-board and certainly among across-the-board certainly among those who are suffering economically and have been since the beginning. guest: we see it at home and internationally, europe and japanjapan, inflation is rampan. all countries put a lot of money

into their economies. the united states averaged a trillion dollars over to dorms, we are coming out of the virus but supply chains or restraint, oil and gas is restraints. it is a difficult moment for people to make ends meet. host: and we are seeing that inflation and gas prices in the new york times had the headline, biden will push congress for a tax holiday. would you support a gas tax holiday? guest: congress will probably do it. congress will probably do it. i am for doing whatever we can to lower the gas tax. what worries me is that that $.a gallon will be absorbed by the

gasoline companies. i need to be that $.18 a gallon will be absorbed by the gasoline companies. i need to be convinced that will offer real relief to the american people because as prices are very high, the as prices are very high, the energy companies are showing record profits. host: as prices are very high, the energy companies are showing record profits. host: what does the high price of gas mean for the democrats and president biden's efforts to green the economy? guest: economy? guest: gas prices have always been volatile. people who are old enough to remember the economy? guest: gas prices have always

been volatile. people who are old enough to remember the early 1970's, know that there is a lot of volatility in energy prices. once every couple of years, gas years, gas gets really expensive. if your finances are tight and you are driving a big car that uses a lot of gas, that can be very painful. the path is clear. the path is clear. we need to deliver relief in the short-term, but ourrelief in the short-term, but our reliance on foreign oil and non-sustainable energy sources. host: your your committee and wt they are looking at, what avenues will you be recommending to the speakers and congress? guest: you be recommending to the speakers and congress? guest: investing in the youngest americans. if you look at the pie chart of the federal government, about half of federal spending is targeted to senior americans.

those things are monumental accomplishments of this country. older americans used to live in poverty and do not anymore. we invest almost nothing in our to live in poverty and do not anymore. we invest almost nothing in our youngest americans. one of the recommendations we will come out with is to is to e sure every family has access to health care and prenatal is to e sure every family has access to health care and prenatal care. have all of the support and investment they need to have a real shot at doing well at school well at school and being a productive worker in our economy. host: you are a part of the build back better plan? guest: back better plan? guest: my favorite part of that bill was the investment that would be made through childcare. again, the parties may have a

different view on how to do this. if we can find aif we can find h government subsidy or through private entities to build out ot our childcare system, fewer kids will watch their -- spend their days watching tv's. host:host: do you think you wile to come up with these standalone efforts? guest: up with these standalone

efforts? guest: our job is to highlight ideas after doing a couple of years of work, highlight those ideas and that is a tough mission. it is fun to talk about a lot of ideas if your party had control of the government. we want to make a difference ifl of the government. we want to make a difference, it is important to have bipartisan support. host: rep. jim himes from the fourth district of connecticut. from the fourth district of connecticut. (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans, (202) 748-8000 froe fourth district of connecticut. (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats and independents and all others (202) 748-8002. host:. host: what is it looking like in your state this year? guest: nationally, we will have a heck of a contest. there is no denying the fact that the president is not getting president is not getting credit for a successful emergence from covid because inflation. i think all of us are bracing for hard-fought campaigns. host: the president's job approval numbers, 47% 47% strony disapprove and 16% strongly approved. they save the u.s. is on the wrong track, over 70% of those polled. what do you think is driving that? guest: i think that is a sense of anxiety driving the world.

a narrative that we just went through a pandemic and i hope we are done with it. if you had asked me five years ago, what will happen with americans you would emerge with their hair on fire. you have a world that looks increasingly scary. you think the economy is tough now, you have russia invading ukraine, there is a lot out there that says this is a scary world and that is not wrong. it is important to show the way we can create peace, safety and security. host: especially on covid, how

did people come through economically and overall in your state? guest: new york was in epicenter a few years ago. we got hammered in the connecticut story is an amazing story. as a result, we are one of the most activated states in the country, we are doing great now. those early days with the problems in new york were really tough. like a lot of states, we are doing really well. we make submarines, jet engines so we're doing ok. host: let's hear from mike in california. caller: the analysis that tends

to dominate the conversation of this issue that tends to dominate the conversation of this issue is the analysis, americans who have a college education have done well, the negative effects of our k-12 are not mitigated, these are americans who compete against

those who have a more homogenous culture. guest:guest: the big part i agre with, there is no question in this economy, the more training and education you have the better chance of doing well. a high school degree, you got a plant, you've got a job. that world is gone. a job. that world is gone. one thing i would emphasize, we made a mistake saying the key is four-year universities. the reality is, the answer is training. we have under invested in our community colleges. in our community colleges. there are places that teach hvac, plumbing and the skills that make our society run.

i am the product of a public education and a good public school and i am fortunate to live in a place where we have terrific public schools. while schools can always benefit from innovation, a lot of challenges live in our toughest schools. innovation, a lot of challenges live in our toughest schools. they are reflective of underlying social conditions, broken families, kids growing up with single moms or in communities with safety issues. we should always focus on improving the quality of public education but we need to be fair about where you have challenges you have challenges that extend outside of the school doors. host: we have a call on the republican line.

caller: with biden in charge, the united states is condemned to inflation. it is because of their war on fossil fuels. biden is giddy that the price of gasoline is as high as it is. we will have to go into renewables, in this, in this coh a population that we have today. president biden thinks capitalism is the enemy of society and will do everything he can to ruin it. guest: everything

he can to ruin it. guest: that is just plain wrong. i have been doing this for a little while. he said that it is all biden's fault. boris johnson, prices are two times what they are here. all over the world we world we g high gasoline prices. if you think it is all biden's fault you are not analyzing anything because we live in a tribal lysed place and you blame everything on the president. and you blame everything on the president. joe biden is a capitalist, most democrats are. we have a small group group of e who are suspicious of capitalism because it leads people behind. you are listening to an x banker here, and the society that is as wealthy as our, it is not untoward to look at poverty and

say that some people are being left behind. i hear this a lot and i said it earlier, we have to deliver some relief in the near term to people who are suffering as they pay for gasoline. talk to a young person who will inherit this world. if your answer is to drill more, burn more coal you are condemning the next generation to a unlovable world. if you need to blame joe biden for everything that goes wrong, i get that. i have been in politics for a little while. the answer is pretty clear, in the near term we need to deliver relief to american families who are suffering right now. and the longer term we have to get away from the roller coaster that is gasoline prices. host: let's hear from reba in

maryland on the democrats line. caller: i have two comments in the question. i am looking at rent, i am hearing from different people around the country that they are rents are being jacked up, like $500 which is unsustainable for people. it is in rural areas, city areas. i am really worried that we are about to see new homeless because of this. the second thing i am hearing is that previous low income housing is being sold at higher rents in the third thing i am hearing,

anywhere there is tourist activity, airbnb's are putting people out and getting more temporary residence. those people have to travel an hour or two hours which isn't it good for anything. i don't know if congress is doing anything, but i am interested in finding out. host: the headlines in the new york times, rinse still rise for 2 million new yorkers. guest: her analysis was spot on and i will answer her question, what is congress doing about it? the wonderful district that i represent, the rents are high, the young people can't touch a

new house. that is a big part of the american dream still. the main reason we have a housing problem is because we did not build enough housing, chief among them is if you try to build you see a lot of unwillingness to build more dense housing. in san francisco, you cannot afford to live in san francisco and you can't build anything. governments need to subsidize low income renters but at the end of the day, we need to extend the supply of housing and the federal government needs to join the fight.

this is hard because the government doesn't have jurisdiction over zoning, if we don't have control over supply and demand the problems will get worse not better. in our communities we need to hold up examples of building near transit centers. i am not saying to build high-rises in suburban communities, you can build more density that adds to life and vibrancy in the city. host: do you support the administration efforts to incentivize localities to change their zoning laws? guest: the federal government will not step in to say you have to do this. how can they lower speed limits,

you they lower speed limits, you create incentives? i think that is the route. host: let's hear from columbia station, ohio. caller: i am from a single parent home. our president, president biden day one, the middle class was rising. from day one, he should fire his cabinet. how about the order? there are 100,000 deaths from f

entanyl. if we had power right now, the republicans, he would be impeached. your party is run by progressives. all your answers are to spend more money. good thingall your answers are d more money. good thing that senator manchin stopped it. all your answers are to spend more money. good thing that senator manchin stopped it. guest: we are so proud of all we do up there in connecticut and d is good to meet someone who is a part of that. to say that joe biden has done nothing when he took office,

this country had no response to covid and we were when he took , this country had no response to covid and we were losing hundreds of people a day to that disease. he coordinated an emergence from covid. an emergence from covid. if you are going to be angry at joe biden or donald trump, i will not be persuasive to you yu but the reality is, we are in a different world. the trump administration radically mismanaged covid. the trump administration radically mismanaged covid. hundreds of thousands of americans died that did not need to die. his efforts developed a vaccine

but we did not see a rollout. efforts developed a vaccine but we did not see a rollout. inflation is tough, but unemployment is at record lows. in communities all over all oves country, lots of people are going to work. the deficit is going down. if your point of view is that everything out there is joe biden's fault you are not thinking about what is happening in this country. if you say that the government spent too much money to get out of covid i would probably agree with you. i would point out that that spending occurred under would pt spending occurred under both a democratic and republican president. what puzzles me about this, we need to have policy disagreements. we need to be a little analytical. if you think all of the evils of this world are attributable to joe biden or donald trump, you are not contributing to the dialogue and the re-stitching of our political system, you are helping damage it. host: moving to the senate, they moved forward with their bipartisan gun bill.

how much do you know abouthow mt gun legislation and is it something you could support when it comes back to the house for support? how much do you know about that gun legislation and is it something you could support when it comes back to the house for support? guest: senator chris murphy has how much do you know about that gun legislation and is it something you could support when it comes back to the house for support? guest: senator chris murphy has been a leading light on this and i am proud of him for doing so. number one, it is a start. this isthis is not everything wd

to do and we need to do things thatthat are respective of the second amendment but support background checks. that are respective of the second amendment but support background checks. i live 25 miles away from sandy hook. that are respective of the second amendment but support background checks. i live 25 miles away from sandy hook. a day doesn't go by where i have to say to those parents that nothing's that nothing's happened, if this passes we will be able to say that we have a long way to go, but we are doing something. host: let's go back to connecticut, joeconnecticut, joe republican line. joe in connecticut, you are on the air. one moreone more time joe and ti will let you go. to robert in cedar city, utah on

the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. cedar city, utah on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. [indiscernible] [indiscernible] you blame joe biden for the situation we are in. -- host: in terms of the russian invasion in ukraine, from the u.s. perspective, where is this headed? the u.s. perspective, where is this headed? guest: it is likely headed to a ugly stalemate. they no longer have the ability to make substantial gains in ukraine. they can make small gains and

defend what they have already taken. the cost of lives is brutal on both sides. i think we are in for in for a g slog. i think it is important we do not give up, that we not reward vladimir putin. there are other people on this planet that if pollutant comes out of this and says i have to win because i committed war crimes and got something out of it. other countries may follow suit. entrenching the partisan divide, but we need to be united to preserve those democracies around the world. host: rep. jim himes from

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c-span has unfiltered coverage of the house january 6 committee hearings investigating the attack on the capital. go to c-span.org/january 6 to watch the latest videos of the hearings, briefings and all of our coverage on the attack. we will also have reaction from members of congress and the white house as well as journalists and authors talking about the investigation. go to c-span.org for a fast and easy way to watch the events live. >> washington journal continues. next with us is eric rassbach who was with the becket fund for religious liberty to talk about the supreme court ruling on the case in maine and the aide to

religious schools. tell us about the becket fund and how are you funded? guest: we represent people of all different faith traditions. we have represented suresh zorastrians, buddhists, jews. we take donations. host: has the becket fund had cases before the supreme court on religious liberty? guest: we have had 14 cases at the supreme court and a number

of cases at lower courts. host: here's the headline from the new york times on yesterday's ruling, supreme court rejects the demand to religious schools. carson b macon. carson b macon. v macon. tell us what that case involved. guest: maine is a fairly rural state was small small cities scd , there is not enough students to set up a school. the school allows them -- the state rather allow schoolchildren to attend a private school school and they t

tuition assistance for that. it didn't really matter what sort of private school you went to. as the court pointed out, it doesn't pay all of the tuition, just part of it. the result of that was that anyone could go to whatever school they wanted. in 1980, the attorney general of maine said the supreme court decision meant that this could no longer be extended to religiousno longer be extended o religious schools. and so, they passed a regulation saying that it could only go to nonsectarian schools. it was challenged a few different times over the years, this is the first time that this particular restriction has

reached the united states supreme court and they rejected that restriction. the fox news headline says that it violates the first amendment for excluding religious schools. it says that congress should make no law to make establishment of religion or the pre-exercise thereof. apply that first amendment to this ruling, how does it fit into your view of religious liberty? guest: a couple of different ways. the problem with this kind of restriction, this is a generally available benefit. anyone in maine can get this tuition benefit to send their child to a private school.

once you have opened it up it creates a problem because you are penalizing people for sending your kids to a school that has a religious exercise. in the courts that is considered discriminatory. there is no real reason to exclude these religious schools from participating in these programs with equal private schools. kids can get sent to private fancy schools outside of the state. it seems strange not to allow local religious schools to participate in that program. under the first amendment, separation of church and state.

you don't want to entangle or have government deciding this particular school is religious, this one is just a little bit religious that is ok. that is what they had in maine, a government bureaucracy that was figuring out how religious are you? if we go over the line, we will keep you out of this program. that is an entanglement problem between church and state in the state board said that was one of the big issues in this case. host: eric rassbach as our guest today and we welcome your calls and questions. the lines are (202) 748-8001 four republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, and for

independents and others (202) 748-8002. i went to reduce some of the pushback from justin breyer. maine must also pay for religious schooling, justice stephen breyer was saying that it was not paying enough attention to allow religious institutions to run without government interference. guest: his real focus is on avoiding interreligious

conflicts, this is something you have been seeing in 2002 and a case where he also made a prediction that there would be a problem there because it was a similar kind of question about such a program of tuition support, school choice support would pass muster under the establishment clause in the court at that time said it would. he predicted that could be a problem with religious strife. since then, his hesitation has not been borne out. host: justice sotomayor said the court leads us to a place where the separation of church and state becomes a constitutional

violation. any state that values its historic antiestablishment interest more than this court does will have to curtail the support it offers its citizens. guest: i respectfully disagree with justice sotomayor on this case. she has voted in my favor in the past, i appreciate that. in this case, i think she is wrong and exactly wrong in the sense that this is the decision that promotes the separation of church and state. this gets rid of the bureaucracy, if you look at the religious curriculum of the school and decide that it is to religious or just religious enough. we don't need a goldilocks bureaucracy in maine deciding if

the school is to religious. we don't need schools being excluded from society. the court's decision recognizes that we have both values. we have the interest of having religious entities of all stripes, but we also have an interest in not entangling in church and state. host: is it the structure of the maine schools and their lack of ability to have a public school to make this case more of a one off or does this have broader implications on other states with more rural communities and fewer public school choices? guest: there are not too many of this particular type of program that maine has. new hampshire and vermont have similar programs.

the broader application to something widespread in terms of institutions, that is what they call blaine amendments. no funding shall go to a sectarian institution. these were passed in the way of anti-catholic feeling in the 1800s, especially after irish catholic immigration into the united states. it was a failed federal amendment and a number of stays put it in their state constitution and it sat there for a while and they felt it was unconstitutional because of his anti-catholic -- this decision

builds on that. host: we go to annie in centralia, washington on our democrat line. caller: i am concerned with opening up the funding to religious schools. there is no limit at what kind of religious schools. it will not just be catholic, it will be everything. it concerns me, can the government determine what can be taught in schools if they will be funding it? i have a lot of questions about that. thank you. host: go ahead, eric rassbach. guest: i think those are legitimate things to think about.

i don't think there is a problem with letting different religions participate in society. i personally represent jewish schools, muslim schools in lawsuits and i think they deserve just as much support as the christian schools that were litigants in this case. parents of children's who wanted to go to christian schools in the case yesterday. absolutely, this would extend to jewish schools, muslim schools. it would not allow someone to make up a religion and then that would allow them access to it. this is something that is already available to other schools just not religious schools. there is not some kind of extra

thing being done for religious entities. host: does a religious school that takes government aid, do they open themselves up to criticism if they decide on admissions based on that religion and don't admit people that are not of that religion or not of that faith? guest: i don't think so. if this was some kind of program that was not a generally available benefit. i think everyone agrees that if a religious school catches on fire, you can send the publicly funded fire department over there. just as you would to a private school or any private entity. i don't think there is a great reason to say that you should

only allow jewish people to attend your school, muslim people, catholic people. that would end up becoming a reason to exclude you from the generally available benefit. if the program said something like, we will promote you if you teach ukrainian, we want to foster people learning ukrainian. maybe then you would have a different situation, but this is a generally available benefit. host: let's hear from brooklyn on the independent line. caller: this country was partially built so people could practice their religion or not practice religion.

today the supreme court is religious nuts. we should have an expectation that the constitution should be hallowed and what you are doing is taking over. that is my comment. host: eric rassbach, any comments on that? guest: i disagree. i think this country was founded on all different people being able to practice their faith in people who do not have any faith tradition, i have been privileged to represent people from all different kinds of faith backgrounds.

immigrant communities can be the least understood and they might get their building permit denied or excluded in some other way. i am to represent them and make sure that they get equal standing and equal treatment within our society. i feel like the caller may be misinformed about what is happening with religion and society. the fact that we can all live in peace with one another is quite remarkable. that is not what is happened over the course of human history. host: this was in the new york times article we showed earlier, a picture of some of the plaintiffs in the case.

in their ruling yesterday, and his majority opinion on tuesday john roberts rejected the argument that maine should be free to try to replicate a public school experience which does not include private school experience. to start with the most obvious, private schools are different by definition because they do not have to accept all students. the curriculum taught at participating private schools need not even resemble that taught in maine public schools. guest: i think that is exactly right. it is important for listeners to understand, maine does not have to provide tuition support to

the kids in rural areas. it can save you need to set up a school or pay your own way to go to a private school or move to a more populous part of maine. they could do that, they could set up their own boarding school. but what they have chosen to do is have this generally available benefit and they have administered it for decades now. they don't determine curriculum. the only part i disagree with is the characterization of trying to replicate going to public high school by going to a boarding school in connecticut or a fancy new england boarding school.

if you can spend the money to go there or get a benefit to go there, why can't you send them to parochial schools down the street? host: let's hear from santa fe, new mexico. caller: i seem to be behind what is happening on the tv. host: just go ahead and turn down your volume and ask your question. caller: with this funding going to the schools or to the students? guest: it follows the students. the students get the money and they can use it for tuition. they can only use it to pay for tuition but it is a benefit that tracks the children. that is why the plaintiffs are

not the schools, it is the parents of the children who want to send their kids to the schools. host: do you have an idea of roughly how much that is per student? guest: i don't i'm afraid. host: let's hear from joan on the republican line from rochester, minnesota. caller: my concern it would take people's ability away to have private schools. private schools will then be funded like any other school which is not the right thing to do. i think that is the goal for freeing up the money for

private schools. if you want to be a private school, stay a private school, if you're a religious school stay a religious school. it is just a way of doing something that i don't agree with and i think that is what their goal is. host: ok, eric rassbach. guest: it is based on a false premise, 80% of schools that are private schools would be eligible to participate in this program that were not religious and 20% are religious. this is about the 20%. the 80% already get the money. there is no trojan horse aspect to this where private schools would dub themselves religious

and then get to participate. nonreligious private schools, whatever sort have been able to participate the whole time, this is just about if the religious schools would be able to participate as well. host: i want to get your thoughts on the wall street journal piece, a pushback on the stephen breyer's concern. as for the establishment clause, why not let many flowers bloom? if evangelical parents take the money to evangelical schools it would be hard to see that outcome as the government establishment of religion. many parents are now discovering objections to what their public schools are teaching.

guest: i agree with the idea that this is a pluralistic decision. it allows different societal institutions to do this. jewish schools, muslim schools, catholic schools, private schools, these are all allowed to participate in society on an equal basis and that is all that is being asked for here. when the government starts to give out a benefit to one school, it does not get to exclude other schools because it is religious. i think it is important to think of this -- i agree with the point of it being a pluralistic decision. host: let's hear from janet from

michigan on the democrat line. caller: i don't understand the premise or disagree with the premise that because there are not enough schools we should pay tuition so that these kids can go to religious schools. the school near me as a jewish school and my children are catholic, i don't see how that benefits them they are still without a school. i don't agree that they can't have a public school. where i am in this world up in michigan, they had lots of one-room school houses and there is no reason they can't have a small school with multiple grades. i think this is a bad thing to be funding these religious schools because there are lots

of different religions and the religious right is trying to take over the country and put their religion on everyone. i think this is very dangerous. thank you. host: eric rassbach, final thoughts. guest: i don't think michigan does have a program like maine 's. you don't have to have this program. i can't opine on to how easy it is to set up a one room schoolhouse like little house on the prairie, no one is forcing maine to have this program. they can get rid of it tomorrow. but you can't have the program and keep out one specific class of people. the court said it was discrimination and violation of first amendment rights. host: eric rassbach, thank you

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of alabama at arming him. we are having a few technical issues but hope to have him on momentarily. part of the reason is the administering of vaccines for kids under five. pfizer, moderna covid vaccines for children under five. the cdc recommended saturday that children as young as six months receive covid-19 vaccines. the move follows a unanimous vote earlier in the day by an advisory panel of outside experts known as the advisory committee on immune practices. to give it with science moving the charge, we have taken a step forward in our fight against covid-19. those vaccinations are getting

underway with kids across the country. that began monday. shots will start to be administered monday. this is from the associated press, published in april terms of the proliferation of covid amongst kids. the cdc estimates that three out of every four kids have been infected with the coronavirus and more than half of all americans have signs of previous infection. researchers examined blood samples from more than 200,000 americans and looked for virus-fighting antibodies from infections, not vaccines. they found that signs of past infection rose dramatically when omicron surged. on the administration of

vaccines, this is from the new york times, the rollout of vaccines for kids under five is mostly met with a shrug. health workers across the u.s. begin to give covid-19 vaccinations to children six months to five years on tuesday, another milestone in the pandemic that came 18 long months after adults first begin to receive injections. but the response from parents was muted with little indication of the excitement and long lines that greeted earlier vaccine rollouts. an april poll showed that less then a fifth to get access. we have comments from president biden. we will try to show you those momentarily.

he spoke about the administering of vaccines to kids. president biden: these vaccines are safe and effective and are observed after extensive scientific review by the fda and the cdc. i know sometimes might have questions. i encourage you to talk to your doctor. after you make a plan to get your child vaccinated, for children older than five, and for everyone else, get your visitors. elected officials should not get in the way and make it more difficult for parents who want their children vaccinated, who want to protect them and those around them. this is not time for politics. it is about parents being able their children safe we have come a long way in our fight against

19, treatments and other tools are widely available. worthen 220 million americans are fully vaccinated, more than 100 million are boosted. daily deaths are down 90%. vaccination is available for nearly every american. we will make sure that this is not only a good day but good from this point on. that there is nothing beyond our capacity work together -- proof that there is nothing beyond our capacity when we work together. host: president biden talking about vaccines for kids under five. we will have dr. david kimberlin , but are having technical difficulties. we will bring that conversation if and when we are able. meantime, we are going to our phone lines. you weigh in on some of the

issues -- policy and political issues at (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. and for independents, (202) 748-8002. we talked about the ruling of the supreme court with eric rassbach. we also spoke earlier about the fourth hearing of the select committee on january 6, where they are focused on those pressured to change the account in a number of states. this is russell bowers. >> john eastman called you some days later on june 4, 21. he had a specific ask that would have required you to do what you

had told the president you would not do, something that would violate your of. >> that is correct. i had my counsel and others on the. >> what did dr. eastman want you to do? >> that we would in fact take a vote to overthrow -- i should not say overthrow, that we would decertify the electors because we have plenary authority to do so. article two, section one, clause two said that in his opinion that a as the authority. i do not recall him saying sufficient evidence, but there was some call or strong reason to do so or justification that we could not and that he -- his suggestion was that we would do

it. i said, i take in as -- took an oath. for me to do what you do would be counter to my of. -- my oath. i do not recall that it was in that conversation that we talked more about the oath, but i said, what would you have me do? he said just do it and let the courts sorted out. i said, you are asking me to do something that has never been done in the history of the u.s. and i am going to put my state through that without sufficient proof and that is going to be good enough with me, that i would put my state through that -- my state that i swear to uphold both in constitution and

in law? no, sir. he said, my suggestion would be just do it and let the courts figure it out. he did not use that exact phrase, that was his meaning. i declined and i believe that was close to the end of our call . this took place after you had spoken with president trump and said you would not do anything illegal? >> a few days had gone by. rep. schiff: but you had told president trump you would not do anything illegal? >> i did. host: part of the testimony yesterday. all of that available at c-span.org. we will get to our open forum in about 30 minutes. hold your calls for open forum until then. we are joined by dr. david

kimberlin, codirector of pediatric infectious diseases program at university of alabama birmingham. that we could have our technical difficulties. -- glad we cleared up our technical difficulties. i thought we had cleared up technical difficulties. trying to get dr. david kimberlin on to talk about the administering of vaccines to kids under six, but slightly as frozen again. meantime, some stories about the vaccination process. this is from the washington post, young children's vaccinations start 18 months after a new york nurse received the first vaccine. immunizations became available tuesday for children between six

months and five years. pediatricians, drugstores, hospitals, community vaccination centers began to administer first doses of vaccines to children. the pfizer product to children ages six months to four years and the moderna vaccine to children six months to five years. some parents rushed to get the vaccine early tuesday. in northwest washington, this child was the first to receive a shot tuesday morning. she winced as the needle went in, but it was not as bad as her routine vaccinations. quote, the last time we came, she got five shots in the same day. the fact that there was only one, she was like, good deal.

on a street, a line of parents with strollers snaked around the corner. quote, i wish it had happened sooner. as her daughter doodled, she said it will be nice to take them to a restaurant and not worry. in houston, jim at texas children's hospital said, he began vaccinating at 6:00 a.m. we have shots in arms now and hundreds of children lined up. our goal is to get this vaccine to thousands of children in the greater houston area and texas. that is from the washington post. dr. david kimberlin, are you on the line? i do not think he is available and on the line, so we are going to open up our phone lines.

sorry, we are not able to do that. we have technical difficulties. we try to get that restored (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. for independents, (202) 748-8002 . gary, republican, virginia. caller: what is the deal with the complexity of inanimate objects? what i want to talk about was this abortion issue. i knew 14 aged girls who got pregnant in 1992. 14 years later, they had had 18 children, two passed in childbirth. of the 16 that were left, nine

could not look at you with both eyes because of drug abuse or some other odious forms of abuse. the other 7, 4 were juvenile delinquents, not just regular juvenile delinquents, but actual crime syndicate. they or involving other children in their crimes, one split stealing bicycles -- one was stealing bicycles and had a chop shop. the oldest kid, 13, was shoplifting on order for other kids. host: what is the point you want to make? caller: that the cost of abortion to society or stopping abortion, preventing people from getting abortions is causing a

problem in our society. host: bobby, west virginia, democrats line. caller: i was calling about the state supreme court ruling that state funding would go to religious organizations. my wife was a former schoolteacher. i live in southern west virginia, pretty rural, a bible state. it's kind of like a hallmark public school. we have got senators, congressmen, doctors, the kind of people that use that to get there education -- their

education. i i cannot see -- it is mass confusion in a way. we pay tax dollars. i think this supreme court is that has overstepped their bounds on this issue because the constitution -- we have all looked at it -- there is separation of state and religion. i do not know. it is a place that we do not need to go. a lot of times, with prayer in schools, if we had done it when i was growing up -- host: did you go to public

school? a religious school? caller: public school. we had no issues or problems. i think that it is politics. i know of some mega-troopers and they -- megachurches and they embed politics into their teachings. i do not feel comfortable as a taxpayer -- i think everybody should pay their fair share, they need to cut out loopholes. you have got public schools, which should be number one. we have got a lot of dilapidated schools that need improvements. then you have got private

schools. in west virginia, we have got charter schools, private schools , religious schools, and public schools. there is only so much money to go around. they should be putting it all in public schools. then we could make so much improvement. i think constitutionally, and for the people, and not any particular party, but i think it is an infringement on the constitution and they are trying to take it apart and change around. host: we welcome your calls. we talked about the supreme court ruling in a while ago. any issue you want to talk about --(202) 748-8001 for

republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. this is from usa today, do not open the door for anyone. former election worker describes the targeted. this is a that former fulton county election worker. she testified yesterday. rep. schiff: how has this experience affected your life? >> it has turned my life upside down. i no longer give out my business card, i do not transfer calls, i do not want anyone knowing my name. i cannot not go anywhere with my mom because she might yell my name out.

i do not go to the grocery store. i have not been anywhere at all. i have gained 60 pounds. i do not do nothing anymore, i second-guess everything that i do. it has affected my life in a major way, every way. all because of lies. all because of me doing my job, the same thing i have been doing forever. rep. schiff: your mother also told the committee about how she had to leave her own home for her safety and go into hiding after the fbi told her it would not be safe after january 6 and

until the inauguration. >> around the week of january 6, the fbi informed me that i needed to leave my home for safety. end left my home for safety around that time -- and i left >> how long did you remain outside your home? >> approximately two months. it was horrible. i felt homeless. i cannot believe this person has caused this much image to me and my family to have to leave my home that i have lived there for 21 years. i am having to have my neighbors watch out for me. i have to go and stay with somebody.

it was horrible. host: some of the debited -- deposition testimony yesterday. politico, dear jay endorses it delay in prod boys trial, saving january 6 -- exciting january 6 committee's ongoing work. richard, massachusetts, independent line. caller: and these goals. no probably decision. i sent my children to catholic schools but still had to pay public schools. they still took taxes why shouldn't type pay for it? when people say, they should not get it, they should. i paid for the school. if i have my kids in catholic

school, why do i have to pay public schools taxes? that is a lot. i have no problem with that. they should help catholic schools, private schools. what makes them so great is there not unionized. these unionized public schools -- i am 78. we were number three in massachusetts. now the teachers are way overpaid. they only work 180 days a year. host: come in, california, eric on the democrats line. caller: i would like to think you were deducted making of the history that you are doing in showing the january 6 committee

hearings. individuals are using the bible to define history. when you going to public service, if you make it about yourself, you will make it a scandal. that is what the bible teaches. the media allows politicians to teach that the bible and guns go together. there is no way we can claim god bless america and teach that the bible, guns, babies go together. politicians are doing it and it is wrong. they have allowed religion to ms. teach the word of god. i want to talk to a small, minority group of christians who owned weapons. you cannot claim to be saved in the name of jesus christ and own happens. rethink your hearts. i am talking about changing the hearts and minds of my fellow

believers in christ. talk to our pastors. we have been missed out. if you live by the sword, anger children will die by the sword. host: gary, florida, republican mine. caller: does anyone remember the quid pro quo performed by then vp -- of ukraine about the billion dollars he was to give the ukrainians only if the prosecutor in the corruption scandal was fired that day, stopping any possibility of his son hunter discovering complicity in money laundering. what about the molar investigation, which shifted countless times that he had evidence of wrongdoing and it was forthcoming, but there was none. what about the words 45 years

before the crowd went to the footsteps of the capitol? what were his words? did not he say peaceful and patriotic? he did. what about the shortfalls? what were they exactly? was he a forensic technology is in that movie identify and locate the very people in staffing about boxes, the same technology used to identify people at the scenes of crimes. hopefully the truth will trickle out on the blue democrats side. so much to be reported is not reported. how can real americans support these things by this party overtaken by progressives? host: washington post on gun legislation -- senators resolve

snags, break 30 year logjam on guns. proposals would toughen gun laws, provide money to prevent future mass shootings after negotiators put legislation on course to be passed later this month. the breakthrough came more than a week after 20 senators signed onto a framework that coupled modest restrictions with new funding for mental health programs and school security upgrades. the release tuesday evening of the act included a crash effort to translate those elements into legislative detail, one that appeared in jeopardy last week. they test vote, which took place less than two hours after the final text was circulated, put the legislation on a path to pass the chamber by the end of the week.

senate minority leader mitch mcconnell backing the belt, the nra opposing it. yvonne, independent line, san francisco. caller: good morning. they think they are doing a great job. it is sad that people call in and battle for trump with his lies, but i think the committee is doing a fine job and i hope the prosecute the fellows who deserve it. host: david, baltimore, republican mine. caller: -- line. caller: talking about this january 6 commission, i believe there were some people who stormed there who were violent, but for the most part, they were

not violent. how come democrats never talk about the 247 riots in december 2020? cities like minnesota were had seattle where democrats took over the cities. the democrats don't talk about that. all they want to talk about is january 6. it's a witchhunt against mr. donald trump, the greatest president we've ever had. trump is just so much better than this idiot we have in there now. he's not doing nothing for average american people. host: this is new york, independent line. good morning. caller: thank you isn't it sad when our teenagers who really haven't form and debt formatted various concepts of what's going on in the world, they are growing and learning, getting

paid to go to the justices homes and haunt them and force them into a decision. for abortion. it is time i think for the bishops of the united states to stop worrying about the 8% of their priests who unfortunately went to pedophilia years ago. it's making them paralyzed and not willing to stand up. it isn't church law, it's god's law. it's not about the catholic church, it is about natural law. we know through science and technology that that is a baby formed in the womb of a woman. nothing can rationalize that away. and it's just sad they don't go after the bidens and the pull ocs who are -- pelosi's who are

" devout catholics" who go against god's law and give access for more abortions. i've hope -- i hope people will understand this isn't against love and compassion paired when you oppose abortion you are protecting a life. it is not about hurting anyone and to burn down and threaten these pregnancy centers who are helping these women save these babies and get well. it is backwards. come on bishop gregory from washington, d.c.. get on board and speak for god. thank you so much for allowing me to speak today. host: usa today headline, uvalde response: abject failure. police had enough offices on the scene in the uvalde school

massacre to a stop the gunman three minutes after he entered the building. the director of the texas department of public safety testified tuesday calling the police response and abject failure that ignored lessons from previous shootings and put the lives of officers ahead of the lives of children. there were enough officers to "isolate, distract and neutralize the suspect" cps director steve mccraw the committee. is that a half an hour until the house comes in. it's open for them here on washington journal. your chance to weigh in on political or public policy issue you would like to talk about. for republicans that is 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents and others 202-748-8002. susan is in germantown, maryland on the democrats line. caller: i just want to say you

had a call on your first hour the talked about the generation that's coming in about 20 years. i'm just saying that there are people out there today particularly in rural america and to the far right there terrified of this change they will listen to anybody in any person that tells them i can take you back to the way it was. history has taught us you cannot stop change. this world is coming and there will be no gun legislation during this generation. it will have to be the next generation. i just -- think that the people -- the congress should work together. i've heard things on the right wing channels that they don't

want to work with democrats at all. but all democrats are socialists and communists. that's not true. but what's going to happen is that minorities will take over in about 20 years and a lot of those who don't want that to happen will either be middle-aged, very old are gone. host: joan in charlotte, north carolina on the republican line. caller: good morning. i would like to have a thought about the commission. how many of those witnesses that they talked to. i watched them all. how many of those witnesses that they spoke with had voted for mr. trump. i have my doubts about any of them because we went through

this for five years against mr. trump and now all of these democrats are still going at it. it is time to let it go. host: one of those witnesses is shay moss and an opinion reporter says the harrowing aftermath of counting votes. in her column she writes on tuesday afternoon a trio of republican men from georgia and arizona told their stories of defiance and certitude of the committees fourth public hearing. brad raffensperger -- they were some men of cloud and privilege in politics, whose party affiliation was made plain is further proof of their courage heard they were men accustomed to being heard and even obeyed. men for whom the system was built. the system held but barely said represented of adam schiff of california. and yet she writes our democracy

only functions at all because of folks like shay moss. she held a far less impressive title. her testimony held the weight of a country shamed and sought -- country's shame and sorrow. dan on the independent line, welcome. caller: the only stop the steal is by republicans and trump when it comes to reelection. they got smoked. biden and the democrats won by over 7 million votes. they won both the popular vote and electoral vote. if you want to talk about stealing elections go back to george w bush versus gore. his brother basically gave him florida. and al gore conceded. the only person in our whole nation who's never conceded to losing his trump. republicans, you've got to let this go. the democrats let it go with al

gore. this was an election and trump got smoked. republicans have to let this go. as far as the gun battle pride we are the only nation in this world with kids with machine guns shooting other kids but we have more mass shootings than days of the year. we should -- clinton did this back in the 90's with republican help and it worked great. we've got to have an assault weapons ban. i understand, we had an argument over the weekend, my sister was saying you can go get a driver's license you got to go through safety training and other stuff paired we don't have safety training for guns which they should have all that and a lot of these accidents can be avoided if they just have gun safety laws and just be more strict.

even if we can save one child it's worth it to try and have a gun safety law here. thank you. host: ed is up next on the democrats line, briarwood new york. ed in new york you are on the air. caller: good morning. i finally feel compelled to call. three things i'd like to bring up. trump is not the best president ever. if you ask any historian of any stripe, trump is the second or fourth worst president we have ever had. the 2000 -- the 2000 mules has been shown to be inaccurate. they're making conclusions that just don't stand up to scrutiny. also number three, would happen

with the riots in 2020 or 2019, that as a municipal estate matter is being dealt with their paid to compared what happened on january 6, january 6 was an attack on the united states of america, our republic and our constitution. and our democracy is very fragile. and that is something that's really important. keeping our way of life is the most important thing of all. i wish people would realize that. host: caller from georgia next, robert on the republican line. good morning. caller: everybody talking about the selection and everything. people in this order christian by day in devil by night. i'm wondering about all these other things.

god already told us what was going to take place. this country -- [indiscernible] this country belongs to god. host: new york times with word on a potential national gas tax holiday reporting this morning to headline, biden will push congress for a three-month gas tax holiday. they write that president biden plans to call on congress on wednesday to temporarily suspend the federal gas tax in an effort to dampen the soaring fuel prices that have stoped frustrations across the united states. during his speech on wednesday afternoon mr. biden will ask congress to lift the federal taxes.

about -- through the end of september before the fall midterm elections according to senior officials. speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the announcement on tuesday night. the president will also ask estates to suspend their own gas taxes will be to alleviate economic pain that contributed to the president's diminishing popularity. the new york times writes the white house will face an uphill battle to get congress to approve the holiday. while administration and some congressional democrats have for months discussed such a suspension. republicans widely opposed it. even members of mr. biden's own party including speaker nancy pelosi have expressed concern companies would absorb much of the savings leaving little for consumers and senator joe manchin said this year the plan doesn't make sense. on our democrats line in

plainfield, new jersey it's conrad up next. caller: good morning. i think would happen to those two georgia workers, of people who were working in georgia, that was nothing more than an act of terrorism. those women were doing their job and then for trump and giuliani to come on and say they were passing heroin between each other i thought that was irresponsible. and secondly, the president likes to say he was a victim of a witchhunt, everything is rigged. innocent people, people of been accused falsely. go into court or they go into congress and they offer testimony under oath. but this president is not going to do that because he is such a congenital liar but if you were to go to congress and say anything he would perjure himself. this man, what really frightens me as the justice department will not have the intestinal

fortitude to actually bring charges to them. he may not be convicted but the man should be charged. host: jackie in miami, independent line on open forum. caller: hello. host: mute your volume on your set their go ahead with your comment. mute your volume and then go ahead. caller: ok. can you hear me now? host: yes we can, go ahead. caller: i have been dying to make this statement. i would like to say first of all i'm 72 years old and i don't believe in having abortion. with that being said, i will fight for somebody to have the choice to make that decision. i want to say something to the

evangelical christians. i have heard it said that how can you care about a life that you have never seen but you can walk right past a homeless life on the street and you won't even see them. if the christians know that jesus was always in conflict with the hypocrites paired with that being said, i serve a god that can take a seat and plant our lord and savior in that. so you cannot stop what god sends for. the seed that was planted. if it is not brought forth he will put that seed somewhere else. that's what he can forgive us for anything because he can correct anything that they do.

jesus took -- he defeated death so there is no more dying. host: appreciate your call. watching the story out of afghanistan all morning, the rising death toll with the earthquake. this is the reporting of the weather channel, their website paid 1000 killed, hundreds injured in afghanistan quake. it is the deadliest since more than 2200 died after an earthquake in haiti last year. we will hear next from danny in hollister, california. republican line. caller: thank you i've heard a lot on your show about gun safety and young people. when i was growing up. we used to have showing gun safety on television.

we also watched those seams looney tunes were in health and physical education classes in high school. they took that off the air, they edit out looney tunes nowadays. speedy gonzales had a cousin called slowpoke. he always had a gun because he could not outrun cats. today they edit it out on the looney tunes. things have gone wrong. we didn't have mass shootings when i was growing up and now you've got kids that are doing that and they dream about it. you see it on social media. what we need to do is go back and post those saturday morning cartoons for kids to know what gun safety is all about. host: independent line, sharon. go ahead. caller: good morning. i would like to comment on the

testimony from ruby freeman and her daughter. first i would like to say i do not condone intimidating anybody whether it's supreme court justices, election workers, anybody. one question that hasn't been answered to my satisfaction is the night that they said the voting was closed down because of a broken water pipe, they sent all the election officials home and ruby, her daughter and two other people went back into the building after everybody was gone and there is video showing that they pulled ballots out from underneath the table and started counting them. have we ever got an explanation for that or was that at all covered because i can't find any explanation for it. are you aware of why that happened and what she said about it.

why are they innocent? host: i don't know if they addressed it yesterday but yes it has been addressed in multiple forms and evidence presented on it. pembroke pines, florida is next. we hear from karen. caller: i want to address the gentleman who said if you live by the sword you die by the sword. that's meant for criminals. they go and rob people and they steal and they use a weapon to do that. jesus said don't take your coat, take your sword. it is a difference between defense of people who don't want to earn an honest people and want to take a weapon to use it in crime. on this committee i think it's terrible. there's no cross-examination. they didn't address with the previous caller said with those ballots. where were the poll watchers. they sent the poll watchers out when they started running this stuff heard but i think it was

representative jim jordan i think and kevin mccarthy, i don't know what state they are from. but they wanted to be on the committee, they have a lot of knowledge. we have that fbi agent telling people to go in and people opening doors and i think the whole thing with people in prison, prison sounds horrible and to be denied proper care and not to see family, and not to be able to get out on bail, what they have done to these people i think is a real crime and i understand they've all been charged with trespassing, but this is just terrible. i can't imagine if you charged with something you can have a defense and no cross-examination whatever. thank you so much for listening to my comment. host: the former president has weighed in again on the january 6 committee. headline from the hill, trump

says it's not even a question mccarthy should've put republicans on january 6 panel. former president trump in a new panel dish new interview said it wasn't even a question that kevin mccarthy should have put gop lawmakers on the house select committee investigating the january 6 2021 riot at the capital. saying in retrospect it would have been very smart to put republicans on the committee and again i wasn't involved in it from a standpoint so i never looked at it too closely but i think it would've been good if we had representation trump told punch bowl news in an interview. we have the u.s. house in less than 10 minutes coming in at 10:00 eastern this morning. our coverage today includes committee hearing for the senate foreign relations committee this afternoon holding a hearing looking at the proposed expansion of nato with sweden and finland hoping to join nato and state farm and officials will testify before the committee.

that's live on c-span3. you can follow it on our mobile app. and online at c-span.org. in chantilly, virginia. john is on the democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just want to say the two previous callers, one of them an independent -- you have to understand one thing. these people, they have a plan. they start from school board, they start from teachers, they go after the capital, they go after congress. this will not stop. these people have been emboldened. these people, most of them -- ex military, >> police officer, i'm going to tell you this. america needs to understand something. i grew up in an oppressed country. you have to understand how things go.

we listen to kids coming from cuba and living in florida. destroying our democracy in this country. it's amazing to me everybody -- today the democrats, they think this will only end up with democrats and republicans you're out of your minds because you forget what these stand for. republicans who are quiet about what's going on, you better speak up, you better say something because you are not safe as a republican. these people, look what they did to the alabama election per that man was supporting donald trump and donald trump attacked him and got rid of him because he doesn't like what he's saying about this. this is not a country for one man. we need to respect each other. we need to live by the law. i cannot imagine today none of

these so-called leaders being charged. i don't understand what the justice department is waiting for. what intent are you talking about when he is saying give me 11,000 and we all hear that. donald trump is one man but we are a country and we cannot allow 20% of people to destroy our nation. it is unacceptable. host: to retire in miami, florida on the independent line. caller: yes i would like to say i can hear callers coming in comparing the summer riots to the january 6 insurrection. they are two different things. the summer riots were riots. january 6 insurrection were people attacking the government, our government. the summer rioters did not directly attack the government. they did not breach federal security.

they did not try to take over the government, they did not threaten our elected officials directly and they did not seek out physically right there to kill the elected officials. thank you. host: naples, florida next. patrick is on the democrats line. caller: good morning. this at something about mccarthy wanting more republicans on the committee. there's a reason why republicans won't stand off because they won't perjure themselves. a republican that does have to answer anything they just plead the fifth. when i heard trump tell putin, you should tell everybody who one. we know that putin helped trump and now trump is helping putin. when i hear people talk about american democracy and then say

trump is the best ever, they need to wake up. what does trump owe putin and what does putin owe trump. host: charlotte on open forum on the republican line. caller: i called in to say i can understand -- i cannot understand why someone would reelect because he's a coward and a cheat. he went to helsinki to meet putin for the food -- for the first time. he shivered and shaked and almost melted putin's feet. the man is a yellow belly and he never should have become president. we should all be embarrassed to call him president. and the sooner we get rid of any trace of the man the better. host: madison, illinois next up.

glenn on the democrats line. caller: thanks. i've been trying to get on for a long time. i would like people to check the 14th amendment out. number three on it. host: on the 14th amendment you're saying? caller: yes. number three there's a way to get rid of everybody in congress that had anything to do with this but it's got to be the secretary of state that gets them out of here. get on the 14th amendment and read number three and it will all explain it for you. host: when you say get rid of. which members of congress may have -- caller: anybody that had anything to do with overthrowing

the government. ok? host: thanks for that. port of monmouth new jersey is next, republican line. francis, hello there. caller: how are you doing. i watch the show about every morning from 7:00 to 10:00 and everybody is talking about insurrection. if this was an insurrection it was the most poorly planned, i was in the military. any one private could've pulled off a bigger insurrection than the proud boys or this one or that one. now my whole life i never heard of the proud boys until the last couple of years. never heard of the oath keepers

and i'm concerned because i want to know how much financial involvement the fbi has with them because nancy pelosi. i served in the military, i know the district of columbia is controlled by two people. not the president. the speaker of the house and mayor bowser. without that, all the president can do is offer and pick up the expenses for the national guard. host: the d.c. mayor can oversee the metropolitan police force, the speaker of the house or whoever is the speaker would oversee the capitol police. thank you for your input, that will do it for this program this morning here on washington journal. we are back tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern. we will take you live to the u.s. house gaveling in. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.

visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] t the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair will lay before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. june 22, 2022. i hereby appoint the honorable teri a. sewell to act as speak -- terri sewell to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, nancy pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives. t the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house, the chair will now recognize members from a list submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate. the chair will alternate recognition between the parties with time equally allocated between the parties and each member other than the majority and minority leaders and the minority whip limited to five