respond to current and future public health challenges. the cato institute on the debate over enacting illegal immigration reforms to ease labor shortages. feel free to join the conversation. host: good morning. thursday, august 11, we will begin at the white house were president biden this week has been on something of a victory lap celebrating a string of legislative wins while touting key economic indicators on jobs and inflation. the white house hoping to get another win tomorrow and the house returns and is expected to pass a major bill. the string of good news for the administration has spurred speculation in the political media over whether president

biden has hit something of a turning point in his presidency. we are putting that question to you. give us a call. phone line split by political party. republicans 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents 202-748-8002. you can send us a text, that number is 202-748-8003. please include your name and where you are from. otherwise on social media, twitter it c-span wj and on facebook it's facebook.com/c-span. if very good thursday morning to you. a question comes from a headline from new york times white house reporter peter baker, news analysis, biden is on a roll that any president would relish asking is it a turning point. white house aides to see the string of victories compares favorably to the two-year legislative record of most any

other modern president. president biden yesterday got more news trending in the right direction on the economics front , the headline from the wall street journal, the inflation pace slowing down last month. the labor department reports noting the pace of price increases slowing in july as energy costs drop pulling u.s. inflation down slightly from its previous four decade high. this was president biden yesterday at the white house on that inflation report and the larger economic picture. >> while the price of some things go up, went up last month the price of other things went down by the same amount. the result, zero inflation last month. people are still hurting. zero inflation last month. economists look at a measure of inflation that ignores the food and energy crisis and the called core inflation. that's about the lowest amount in several years -- several months.

when you couple that with last week's moving jobs report a 528,000 jobs created last month and 3.5% unemployment it underscores the economy we've been building. we are seeing the stronger labor market where jobs are booming and americans are working. and we see some signs inflation be beginning to moderate. that's what happens when you build an economy from the bottom up in the middle out. the wealthy do well and everyone has a chance. it gives everyone a chance to make progress. >> president biden from the white house yesterday asking you this morning in the wake of some of the legislative victories including those the president has celebrated at the white house this week, legislation on veterans, legislation and chip production, asking you is the president hitting a turning point in this administration, asking that question at a time when these are the presidents job numbers and approval numbers.

his job approval at 40% according to the real clear politics bowling average. noting that when it comes to the president's handling of the economy, well more than half of americans disapprove, 72% right now saying the direction of the country is moving in the wrong direction. those of the latest numbers from real clear politics asking you this morning do you think that this week is a turning point in the biden presidency. republicans 202-748-8000. democrats 202-748-8001. -- republicans 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, . -- independents 202-748-8002. caller: this should not be a turning point for joe biden's terrible record. we just found out he turned his back on the black farmers. we put him in office. he just turned his back on the

black farmers. they are voting for him at 40% still. his approval ratings with them and that's terrible. like the guy said in the past, voting democrat for the next 75 years. host: this is rory in california prayed republican, good morning. >> good morning. biden has done really bad with -- and that mar-a-lago thing has made things worse. right now the belief is they are going to get rid of biden by the 25th amendment and then harassed by impeachment. january it's good to be a real mass when the republicans take over the house and senate, they will impeach everybody, but pelosi won't be there, it will be some kind of republican. things will turn around and everybody is going to get angry.

>> line for democrats, this is sheila, good morning. caller: good morning. my question is if they are stealing jobs, why haven't we started with -- why do we have people sitting at home collecting checks. if we put some of those people to work that could also take down some of the data. host: what are your thoughts on president biden? >> president biden i think is doing -- is helping a lot of people, some people are not being helped like the middle-class prayed we are paying a lot of the taxes that think they need to help us and help the seniors. with the rent going up, their annuity and pensions are not going up. so they are really hurting also. i think he is trying to please a lot of people. the people who need the help are not getting the help from the

people that need pleasing. i don't want him to give out all this money if after pay for it back in inflation and gas. i will opt out of receiving any free money if they give out anymore. >> more from that peter baker column in the new york times. earlier this week asking the question, is it a turning point in the biden presidency, here is how peter baker sets that up in the first couple of graphs. mr. biden has emerged from his covid medical isolation to a new political world. the administration the cannot get anything right, they could not catch a break was on a roll any president would relish. major legislation cruising to pass some economic indicator heading in the right direction and the world's most wanted terrorist killed after a two decade manhunt. white house aides argue the string of congressional victories that finally cleared the senate this past weekend

compares favorably to the two-year legislative record of most any other modern president even perhaps they said fdr and lbj. whether the victories will prove to be a decisive turning point for mr. biden's presidency or merely a transitory moment in an otherwise bleak administration remains to be seen. is it the turning point, do you see it as a turning point. what are your thoughts on the biden presidency in the wake of some of these recent legislative wins. republicans 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. independents 202-748-8002. running through some of that legislation, it is the inflation reduction act. that senate took that up over the weekend and pass that on c-span. hours and hours of votes, the house expected to come in a bit earlier to begin work to pass

that. speaker nancy pelosi says she will put that on the president's desk. she has a four vote margin to do so if all republicans vote against that legislation. there's also that act investing in the u.s. semiconductor manufacturing industry. the pact act honoring that expands v.a. health care and benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits. signed that into law yesterday. recent uncontrolled legislation, the approval of sweden and finland to join nato, that's all some of the recent major legislation that moved through this congress, legislation that president biden has touted as a win for his administration. democrats, republicans, independents, this is vincent in gaithersburg, maryland. >> good morning.

the reduction inflation act immediately they changed it to climate change. there is no reduction information. there is no reduction act of inflation. that was changed. all the media changed to climate change because there is no such thing as that act. that was not signed into law. host: i'm a little confused. this is what the house is voting tomorrow, three major pillars of this include 340 billion dollars i believe is the number when it comes to climate change initiatives. $370 billion. the health care provisions in that and then changes in tax policy as well. so that's what's moving this week is that what you want to talk about?

i thing we lost the collar. this is milton and philadelphia. >> good morning and thank you for taking my call. i'd like to praise president biden. look at the mass he inherited when he came in to the white house and look at it right now. the inflation is starting to stabilize. prices are starting to go down slowly. some people are still hurting. gas prices are finally coming down. also, people don't give this president credit. if this was trumpet would be praising them to high high heaven. i'd like to make a point and send the message, it's funny how c-span keeps advertising all these republican events like cpac and they have this white nationalist from another country, up there and you cover it but you never cover democrat events. i think you're being very unfair. they push all this lying and bs up there. host: keep watching c-span, i'm

certain you will find events you are looking for. a few events we are covering today. democratic congresswoman carolyn maloney, the head of the house oversight reform committee holding a field hearing with state officials and election experts to look into election integrity at 10:00 a.m. after this program ends this morning. focus on a preview of the next congress. the former director of congressional budget office will share his thoughts on what to expect if republicans take control of congress and the november election. what the next congress will look like. it couple of events we are airing today but i'm sure you will find something you like if you keep watching. republican, go ahead. >> thank you for taking my call. i don't see it as a turning

point. let's look around the rose-colored glasses and see maybe the information is correct. inflation went down a little bit due to a lack of gas prices going down, less people were driving. it's still four dollars a gallon, it started two dollars a gallon before the biden administration. the job production, if you go down and drill down, service oriented food and beverage companies with the main impetus of that and that's basically people getting second jobs to afford the 44% gas price increase and all the other increases that we are experiencing. the legislation, another 90,000 irs agents, how does that curb inflation? the inflation act, they come up

with these beautiful little names to fit these scenarios of what they are wanting to do but not doing. most of the economists say the inflation will not go down, we might see something in two years but that might happen anyway with the feds help. so i don't see it as a turning point, i see it is another say what is on the card and move forward. thank you. host: on the issue of jobs in the wake of that jobs report, better than expected jobs report last friday. here is some of what president biden had to say from the white house. [video clip] >> 528,000 jobs were added. 528,000 jobs. we now have nearly doubled, almost 10 million jobs. almost a 10 million jobs since we took office.

the fastest job growth in history. today we matched the lowest unemployment rate in america than the last 50 years. 3.5%. today there are more people working in america then before the pandemic began. in fact, there are more people working in america than at any point in american history. what we are also seeing is something that a few years ago many experts said was impossible. the revitalization of american manufacturing. since i took office we created 642,000 american manufacturing jobs in america and of seeing the biggest and fastest job recovering since the 50's. the american people didn't give up and i know i never did. that's why i made it make it in america the cornerstone of my

economic plan. today's report proves make it in america isn't just a slogan, it's my administration. it's a reality. >> president biden from friday after the jobs report came out asking you this morning if you think the president has hit a turning point when it comes to his presidency. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8000 democrats. independents 202-748-8002. tony in michigan, independent, go ahead. >> good morning. i am not sure anything is a turning point anymore. it's all just a mind manipulation of what reality is supposed to be. both sides, i hear democrats yelling, i hear republicans yelling. not today as much but both sides are pitted against each other by

the top so the only turning point that can actually happen is when the citizens realize both sides are lying to us. donald trump is a croke, hillary clinton a crook. joe biden is a crook. he talks about adding jobs to the market but i remember him smiling and laughing in the early 2000's talking about how china is not a threat as he center manufacturing jobs over there. these politicians lied to every single cycle and you can call it a turning point until you know what happens. it was like a 7000 page bill or a 700 page bill. you can read that overnights with a long term you can tell and make that determination but upfront it's not possible. the real turning point is our understanding of what cambridge analytic is and how both sides are using ain psychology to manipulate us into believing their lies. host: what is an independent to do for coming up on inter -- an

election little over two years away from another presidential election. >> there is nothing, that's the sad thing. this is a two-party system, it's not a democracy, and not -- not a fair and open republic. we fight for corporate entities each time. the independent in my opinion is the person committing an act of political disobedience in the sense that they are not adhering to the propaganda that's spewed. donald trump talks about how he wants law and order the most criminal people out there. i understand the fbi raid looks suspicious because hillary should've been treated this way and joe should have been treated this way. but when you do it it creates this threat of truth that then turns into a believable lie. the independent is floating in the water without a life vest. we are watching this train wreck occur. our climate is horrible, our

environment is polluted to the tv. this micro plastics from the top to the bottom of the ocean. there's industrial chemicals in our water, there is true for allies and whatnot in our water. we are being poisoned with gmo's, they vaped these things out here, they don't give us the full information. i am frustrated i guess you can tell, as far as the independent goes, they need to stay strong and vote their conscience. host: this is, in long pond, pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i want to comment on joe biden's work that he's doing. he's doing a fantastic job. i don't understand, there's no perfect people in this world and not only that, all the presidents we have had went through the same stuff, but we

come out on top. and the republicans need to cut their mess out. we still are going to do what we have to do. continue doing what you're doing. i'm with you all the way. have a good day. >> independent, you are next. >> thank you for taking my call. these democratic callers don't make any sense. what has he done that been positive for the nation for the nation but they can't name one thing. we've lost 8.5 million job -- manufacturing jobs since 1980. where was joe biden all that time? he was barack obama's vice president for a year, where were they? they have control of the house and senate and did absolutely nothing. they promised medicare for all. have you heard about medicare for all anymore? host: so what we are asking is what do you think of the

legislation that has passed recently. another major bill set to pass as well. >> i remember when obama was president they sequestered, the sequester they had. they couldn't run the air force jets for flyovers and so forth. now were spending -- i guess we are printing it. if they want to combat inflation you've got to reduce spending. it does not make spends what they are doing just that the chips bill which i endorsed that but it was supposed to be 56 billion and it ended up being over 200 billion. host: the bill democrats are looking to move this week they say this bill is paid for, that it won't add to the national debt. here is what the bill would do. it would allow medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, it would extend the affordable care act subsidies through the year 2025, that's notably past the 2024

presidential election. it would push $370 billion towards various efforts to combat climate change and all that they say would be paid for by a new corporate minimum tax and new funding to expand irs enforcement to go after those that they say are not paying their fair share when it comes to their taxes. that's the inflation reduction act as democrats have dubbed it. democrats looking to pass it tomorrow when they are set to come in at 9:00 a.m. eastern. you can watch that here on c-span. this is sandra in pompano beach, florida. caller: good morning. i'm so surprised i got through. i have been watching since susan used to be hosting. for a quick note this morning, i hope all the people who are calling saying this is not a turning point in biden's

administration, i ask at some point in the future i put up -- when he passed in the first two years in the next four years and have the republicans call in and compare that to joe biden's two years per that's all i'm saying this morning. thank you so much. host: republican, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you today? host: i am doing well. caller: i disapprove of everything this guy has done since he took office. i could pretty much go for anybody in general. i'm really non--- i'm not really republican so much, i'm forever to do right by my country and people. i just don't see anything that this administration has done

that has brought us together in any way. it's pretty much pushed us further apart and it's a very scary time i think for the country. host: on some of the specific pieces of legislation that have passed, the president signed the pact act into law, of the effort to extend v.a. health and veterans benefits to those veterans that are exposed to toxic burn pits, is that something you support? caller: well yes. our veterans went off to war and they -- you know, they went there for our country per radar country sent them there and they did their job. so you know of course we need to take care of our own first and that's the problem i have. host: that's one of the bills that this administration is touting this week. another one, the chips plus act investing in the u.s. semiconductor manufacturing

research, that industry to try and compete with china. is that something you support? caller: the thing is there, listen, our politicians sold us out in that way many years ago and continued down that path until we find ourselves beholden to almost completely to china for drugs and whatever the case may be. this year what's going on as far as that stuff goes, you can trace it back to all politicians for many years. this is long overdue. host: one more for you. the approval in congress of the plan for sweden and finland to join nato, is that something you are glad that this congress did? caller: actually i think what they are doing as far as the nato thing is concerned, i think

there's a lot that could be said about that, russia does not like what's going on with that. they have had a deal about not putting things at their back door. we didn't like it when they did it to us over in cuba. here we are over there pushing it in ukraine and whatnot. i think there pushing us towards a major world conflict. that's how i see that. >> some comments from viewers watching and tweeting in. jody talking about the pact act that the veterans bill, finally veterans who can -- you get ignored by republicans have overcome their due nothingness, a better morning today for veterans and all-americans. this comment, recession, a land war in europe, 8.52% inflation weaponizing the fbi and doj against political rivals, there are people who don't call that a

wonderful job. robert saying it doesn't take much for joe biden to take a victory lap. asking you in the wake of some of these legislative achievements in the wake of the jobs report last week, a report that this pace of inflation is moving in the right direction, slowing down, all of that combined to be at turning point in the biden presidency? 202-748-8001 for republicans. democrats 202-748-8000. independents 202-748-8002. this is matt out of west plains missouri. republican, go ahead. caller: no, there's no turning point for biden. what the fbi did was just a weaponization of a government agency. that's all it was. you can say whatever you want about these acts, it's not a lower inflation.

it's good to take 87,000 irs agents to go after the middle class. small can pay the price for this inflation reduction act. everybody have heard multiple people say donald trump was a crook. i'd like to know what crime he committed, i hear this all the time. if he was a crook might fan -- i was a beneficiary. i did better under president trump than any other before him for the race i got with donald trump will be negated with this inflation reduction act because when they start pandering to people who don't work and start pandering to older people. democrats are called and are all older women, they are older people. most of them don't work or they are out of the job market. talking about the jobs created, let's talk about the jobs created, have they got the amount of jobs lost during the shutdown back? no.

he hasn't created that many jobs. it's just a fallacy. until they get back to pre-pandemic levels, before the shutdown. host: the total numbers are back above those levels now. caller: are they? host: yes sir. caller: ok. are they manufacturing? my paycheck -- my paycheck is in seeing it. the affordable care act there going to recoup some of this bread medicare will be able to negotiate drug prices. i don't get medicare. i'm a private insurer. when the affordable care act comes in, my insurance went up 75%. what i'm saying is the democrats are for the people who are out of the workplace. the middle class suffers under the democrats. i don't understand why people want to give more of their money away. i really don't. >> matt in missouri taking back to capitol hill it was yesterday during the house rules committee

considering the rules for the debate on the inflation reduction act that one of the top republicans criticized the inflation reduction act on many levels including him saying it's knocking to stop inflation. [video clip] >> let's talk about what's not included, but there's nothing in this bill that will address inflation. in fact this is probably one of the most misnamed bills that's ever been brought before this body. inflation remains the number one problem our nation is facing and it is astonishing the majority would push forward a bill of this magnitude that will not help inflation. and will only make matters worse. there's also nothing in this bill that will address our current energy crisis. the policies and here are likely to make it worse. while my friends and the majority are willing to pour tens of billions of dollars into green energy boondoggles there's nothing in this bill that will lower the price of diesel or gasoline at the pump.

nothing that will make it cheaper to heat homes and nothing that will ensure energy independence for america. such a failure is bad for the nation and bad for working americans all across the country. it should come as no surprise that not a single republican will vote for this bill. just is not a single republican voted for the last reconciliation bill. because we knew at the time what do we do, economist warned us than it would lead to unprecedented outbreak of excessive inflation and they were right. now economists are warning us that this pill will make inflation works and slow the economy even more. democrats would do well to take that warning seriously. mr. chairman, all the available evidence will make inflation worse not better, it will deepen and lengthen the recession we are in. we cannot tax and spend our way into lower inflation. that is compounding of the same error the majority made last

year, rather than compounding that we should reject these policies and reject this bill. >> congressman tom cole, the republican from oklahoma. top of publican of the rules committee setting up on the inflation reduction act. you will hear more of that debate starting to watch c-span about 9:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow. we hope you will join us for the washington journal. sturbridge, massachusetts, independent, is this a turning point in the biden presidency? >> it is a turning point. you wanted to talk about the inflation reduction act. i would like to focus in on the irs agents, i've heard many people say that there are approximately 600 billionaires in this country, would you agree with that? host: i do not know the number of the top of my head.

caller: the point i'm making is if they're only going after people that make more than half $1 million, why do they need 87,000 agents and two, i just read from the irs page that they're asking for people who want to be armed and willing to use deadly force to work 50 hours a week and be available 20 47, 365. so does that sound like an irs agent you've ever seen or does that sound like some people are building their own private army and the irs. this was from the irs page. this isn't me with some conspiracy theory. i just read it. you tell me, how does that help me? do i have to go in wearing kevlar to the irs now?

is that what this is about. are they can a knock on my door in the middle of the night? this is outrageous. host: this is sharon in maryland, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing this morning. i was calling, president biden, he is having a good turning point right now. people have to realize there's so much going on in our country in the united states of america, we shouldn't be like this. we should do good and do what's right but what god wants us to do. as long as we keep doing negative and hate full things, things that never go right for this country, we are all children of god and we shouldn't be acting this way. if god allows us to suffer from what's going on and he made us

turn every thing around we should give god praise for that. those republicans, all of them need to be out of that office because in the bible they have averse, isaiah 56, it's good to tell you all about the republicans. we need to do what's right for this country, stop letting all the businesses go to other foreign countries, when i go to the shopping mall i just see china, china. we need to do what's right because if we don't we are going to keep having these problems with weather, pestilence, disease, we are going to continue to get this. >> this is joe allen, long island new york. good morning. caller: it is nice to speak to you in person. i was taken aback when i saw the

beginning of the show starting off with a new york times article. we all know the new york times is biased and it's written on monday, we have so many salient important things that are threatening our country now and of course president biden is behind all this. though he's not, his handlers are. this militarization of our government agencies to go after opponents, to come after us, we all know the irs is now a stage to attack regular people, hard-working people. these bills that you are touting for his rise in fame, they were all rejected by republicans because they are not to help people. , i just want to say this in employment, 500 thousand jobs, people are back to work, people need two or three jobs to

survive. i'm a senior, i'm living on a fixed income. we are under a very dangerous time in our country where our government is placed against us instead of for us. so i just think the bias is coming out that you would focus on what good things president biden is doing well or country is collapsing under his leadership. thank you very much for listening. host: if you think this week is a turning point in the biden presidency, you can say yes or no, you can call in on the phone lines. a couple of callers have brought up the online job posting for special agents within the law enforcement branch of the internal revenue service. that is causing a stir on social media as congress prepares to pass legislation that would add new funding, here's the foxbusiness story about it. a link to the job posting for

the federal agents position was criticized for its language. the key requirement for applicants is that they have to be legally allowed to carry a firearm, major duties include carrying a firearm and the willingness to use deadly force if necessary. the requirement that agents be willing to use deadly force they write through heated -- true heated criticism the same language appears for other federal law enforcement agencies such as the fbi, the irs spokesman said in a statement the investigation special agent job announcement is open on usa jobs, that's where these positions are posting where applicants are referred to in order to apply for that job. that announcement has been open since february of 2022 and continues through december 31 of this year. this is gary in brooklyn, new york. >> good morning.

to me, the guy isn't doing anything. he hasn't done nothing as the president. all this talk of what he does is all lies. why don't they investigate his son, his whole family, a search his house, what he's doing. because to me he's more corrupt than the other people. he's not any better. he knew about trump in florida was going to be. all these people talking about him doing a good job, he's not doing nothing. he's the worst president we've ever had pretty even be jimmy carter. host: that's gary in new york. also rob in new york, good morning. caller: thank you for c-span.

it just occurred to me this is really not what i called to say but republicans already seem to appreciate how great this country is on there's a republican president. when there's a democratic president, suddenly we are the worst country. it's so ridiculous. the senate, the house, the numbers fluctuate. when there's a republican president boy does this country go great. but when there's a democrat, it's so silly. biden is really i think doing great especially as far as international politics is concerned. i think what biden is doing in ukraine is wonderful. i think supporting and sending equipment.

i believe actually of trumpet been in office and pollutant had attacked the ukraine, pollutant is probably kicking himself for not attacking the ukraine while trump was in office because i don't think trump would have done anything. he might've paid some lip service. he might've done some superficial surface things to make himself look like he's concerned about democracy in europe and in ukraine. >> let me ask you on the issue of foreign policy, we will show viewers this chart. the real clear politics, of the chart showing job approval ratings for president biden. the black line approves, the redline disapproves. you talk about foreign policy, those lines cross. he went underwater on the job approval ratings back about a year ago during the pull out from afghanistan.

since then hasn't been able to recover and get back above water as they say on job approval numbers. today it's about 40% approve and 56% disapprove in this country. why do you think that is? >> the pull out from afghanistan , there was no way you could predict whether we had 300 -- we stocked 300,000 men over there in their army that folded. if it was trump in office it would've folded the same way. i want to finish with this one point if you'll allow me. democrats have to start -- i'm a liberal, not on every issue. the democrats have to stop shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to cultural issues. the republicans on the airways, a radio, tv, they are destroying

us when it comes to talking about issues because i'm really a middle-of-the-road liberal. when it comes to certain issues we'd be better off not talking so much about lgbtq business. all this or transsexuals who become swimmers when there were men and they become women and they win the swim meet. but we have to get away from those issues. as important as they may be. they should not be a part of the first thing that comes out of a democrats mouth when they speak and say and our transvestite and lgbtq people -- host: got your point. on the issue of what set on the airwaves and the radio and tv as mentioned, there's a report today in the wall street journal , projected ad spending i one

company -- by one company looking ahead to the 2022 election cycle excepting some $9.7 billion to be spent on ads and cable streaming services, digital ads and radio ads per that's across all the races, state and local, of the house and senate. the number factoring into the presidential cycle was 9 billion. some 700 million dollars more expected to be spent in this election cycle. looking at the projection for house races approaching $2 billion expected to be spent on house ads this cycle and for the senate closer to 2.5 billion dollars. an example of one of those ads hitting the airwaves, this is one from the american action network, the conservative group targeting democratic congresswoman cindy axne he a viable linking her to president

biden ahead of the midterm elections. [video clip] >> let's talk about the economy. we are killing it on the economy. >> more like she is killing the economy. she joined biden and pelosi to spend trillions on inflation. massive waste, huge consequences, gas, groceries, life all unaffordable. now there's a liberal plan to spend even more. >> we are killing it on the economy. >> tell her to stop killing the economy. host: that is just one ad airing this cycle. we will talk a lot more about the house races in election 2022 tomorrow on this program. we will be joined by david of the political report, he's their health editor. we will be showing a lot more ads looking at a lot more races and letting you call in and ask

about those who are interested in. just about 24 hours from now. 24 hours and 15 minutes from now. good morning, you are next. >> good morning. i don't think it's a turning point. he had to break into the white house and he still trying to find the paperwork that he stole out of the white house. the guy was a con artist. the whole thing. he gave the oil, visa big tax break and they turned around and stuck it to the people. i think the man is doing a heck of under the circumstance he came into office with. for the cleaning the swamp thing, he cleaned it all right and look what the swamp showed. they showed what they are all about. it's been a mess. and he had to clean up all of this mess just to get the roll on. host: do you think joe biden has his role on right now? caller: it is getting there.

we got to people -- two of the problems. >> do you think it will be enough of a role to stave off defeat in the midterm elections. projections right now the republicans are likely to take back the house, the senate contest a little tougher to call. >> with the people pay attention to what's going on. here's a group of people, republicans love to take photo op social -- soldiers. one comes to health care, no. that's with -- pete have a good day. host: this is james in collins, mississippi. good morning. caller: how are you doing sir. i just want to say i am so -- hello. >> go ahead.

>> i'm listening to you guys and i'm looking at all this progress that's been made and the thing i look at most of all, all of a sudden inflation is the topic now. inflation is the most important thing. i agree with you inflation is one of the most important things. what you have to understand, corruption and lies and false statements and corruption is the problem. the women's right, all these things add up to one thing. when you have a person that is getting away with a lot of things because he is convinced people where they have convinced people, it's no longer president trump. these are these politicians, these are the grams and the

jordan's and mitch mcconnell and mccarthy. they don't care about president trump. they are just trying to hold onto his coattails because they see he is their meal ticket. even saying that the fbi and all these people are corrupt. they are lying to these people saying they planted information on him. i remember when they were saying the police, they were projecting police departments, when they -- when people were complaining about abuse, black folks were complaining about they were being assaulted and they stood up for the police department. now all of a sudden they don't step up now saying the federal government, the president trump have for four young -- four long years is corrupt now. he's got a pay for his sins but these politicians coming on tv,

what i'm hearing from them saying about what's going on and the president's living quarters, that they are blaming this on the president, there is good to be so much violence. we passed that river now. this is the most dangerous time in the history of america because of the politicians. they chose to follow president trump. they came up and testified, they are all republicans. host: that's james this morning. he started talking about the issue of inflation. just one more headline on the issue. front page of the washington times this morning. biden cheers with historic inflation rate down to 8.5%. republicans don't share his optimism. it was mitch mcconnell who did not share his optimism in a statement that he put out yesterday saying only these

reckless washington democrats could see another month of crushing inflation and try to spin it as a win for themselves. the american people are playing -- paying a democrat inflation tax when they feed their families, 6% extra on the rent payment and on and on. the minority leader going on to say even if the average american worker had gotten a raise on paper, their paycheck today is 3% buys 3% less than it did last september. saying an economic assault on lifestyles that family spent years sacrificing to achieve. that from the minority leader. a look at the monthly price changes in july. this chart in today's new york times looking at the june to july changes in cost of various items, cereal and bakery products. electricity up almost 2%.

meat, poultry, fish and eggs up. big downs last month trending in the less inflationary direction. airline fare down 9.6%. fuel oil down 11%. just some of the key indicators the labor department is looking at. those reports will be watched very closely heading into midterm elections. less than 10 minutes left in the first segment washington journal. this is sam in new york, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: doing well. caller: thank you so much. have been watching c-span for 10 years. it's better than coffee. thank you, i appreciate this opportunity. host: we do have good washington journal coffee mugs that i

recommend highly. caller: i will demand that my dad buy me one because i got up before him. i'm sure he's listening now. thank you for the opportunity. this is how i feel. when gary johnson, the green party guy, he said what about aleppo and he thought it was a spotted cat. that's when i first thought may be able to start voting for the green party. i don't know. since then i decided i'd be a traveling ukulele player. host: any thoughts on biden? caller: i feel like he's fine. i don't really know the man, personally i like the aviator glasses. i mean come on.

biden, trump, clinton. there has to be someone more inspiring than this. some muska to stand up and take some sort of order over it. it just seems like a big joke to me at this point. like i live in a france kafka novel. host: good morning, you are next. caller: i thing the turning point for biden happened when we had that baby formula shortage and he provided leadership and coordination followed by his ability to not criticize joe manchin and kyrsten sinema when they didn't support him on some of those issues. i think those two implements were the turning point. then followed by the one million gallons per day from the oil reserve and then we went over to saudi arabia with the prince

over there. all of those led to where we are today and turn the ministry and turn the ministry around for the better. >> he got a lot of criticism that fist bump. >> he got criticism for the fist bump, but donald trump did nothing when the man was actually assassinated. that's the hypocrisy of it all. he was criticized for the fist bump but when he was actually assassinated, the trump administration didn't express any outrage. host: that is rudy in georgia. this is larry and savannah. republican, go ahead. >> i think it's too early to make the hero out of a man who got us into this situation to start with. i would like to know what jobs

were created and what percentage of jobs were people returning. gas prices are still way too high, inflation still way beyond what it was when he came into office. it's too early to see the turnaround we are talking about. i think it would be a good idea we start drilling back in the united states, remove some of the restrictions towards drilling i think that would help us. that's all of got to say. host: this is scott, good morning. caller: good morning. first i'll answer the question about president biden. no he is not at a turning point. it's can remain the same fool he's been for the last two and a half years. i want to simply make one comment. i'm a moderate, i'm a moderate

republican so i have the ability to cross the aisle on some subjects prayed not many. here's the deal. what i learned from the select committee hearings is it's quite obvious for me to see that donald trump is a sociopath. but here's the question your viewers, your listeners have to ask themselves. would you rather have a sociopath who gets great results for the country or would you rather have a buffoon who just hears this country apart. that's all i want to say. host: you say you have the ability to cross the aisle on some subjects prayed what's one or two of those? caller: i heard the cries of the women.

without the choice to have an abortion in the first 20 weeks now. not on demand. see the democrats ruin themselves by thinking that they can go in the eight month her ninth month of pregnancy and on demand an abortion, that's not how it works. i like what they did on mississippi. first 15 weeks, you have a choice ladies. if you can get it together, if an accident happened mistake or unwanted pregnancy, within the first 20 weeks i'm good with it. after the 20 weeks, sorry ladies -- host: got your point. mike is next. go ahead. caller: good morning. this is just so many comparisons to biblical egypt just listening to the phone calls, on their

public and calls you hear this hardened heart. it's like pharaoh, you'll brenner in 10 commandments. a hard heart. god doesn't like that hard heart and then when it comes to the irs agents being armed. matthew was one of the disciples and he was hated. host: we are running short on time here. the question is is this week a turning point for the biden presidency paired what do you think on that question? caller: it really is because biden always speaks of the house of representatives and the senate doing their job to legislate. he is not one that says i alone can solve all of these problems like a pharaoh or an authoritative dictator or anything like trump did.

he speaks all the time of the senate and the house doing their job to legislate and then he and our form of government the senate and the house do everything. they come up with the bills and they send it to the president. they have to pass it and they send it to the president to be signed or not signed. host: stick around there is plenty more to talk about this morning. of next, we will talk about the federal response to major health challenges in this country and the world. we will talk to bipartisan policy center dr. anand parekh and later we will talk to alex

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is there a burnout at the federal agencies at the cdc. the one who have been on the front lines? guest: as a career civil servant i am concerned about these civil servants who are true public servants who work across administrations who are there responding to multiple challenges and it has been tough over the past few years as we have seen one crisis after another. it is something i am concerned about. the turnover is concerning as well. it is that group of servants who provide the support. these agencies have been facing these once in a generation crises and it has not let up in

2022. from the baby formula shortages and monkeypox. there are things that each of these agencies need to do on a daily basis to ensure that americans can be healthy. on top of all of the things that they do on a daily basis. they now have to respond to these challenges. it is a difficult time. host: we are having you because of the hill story that federal agencies must recalibrate these health challenges. there have been several recommendations that have been proposed to optimize the cdc and the fda. what are they? guest: these proposals are coming from the hill, some from advocates, stakeholders. these challenges, the federal government has been late or reactive as opposed to probe

active. it is a systems issue. a bureaucracy inertia, you don't know how big the crisis will be. the research we have done at bipartisan policy center suggest that what is needed is clarity on the specific roles and responsibility of agencies when responding to a crisis in the authority needed to respond and the resources they need to respond as opposed to the solutions being thrown around which are knee-jerk. what we really need to do is

delineating those important roles to provide these important resources. host: the cdc, some folks want to take the prevention roll out of that. what would that do? guest: that is a bad idea for a number of reasons. if you look broader than covid or these outbreaks. 90% of mortality, 90% of health care spending is preventable chronic conditions. the cdc plays an important role helping americans live healthier lives. that is not something you want to jettison. even if all you are concerned about is these infections and the demings. two thirds of covid-19

hospitalizations were attributed to obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure. preventing these chronic, debilitating diseases help you become more resilient for emergencies we will inevitably face. we need improvements in their outbreak response whether it is better communication, they need congress to provide them the authority to collect data. they don't have that authority on a regular basis. they need to make sure they streamline the way they take scientific evidence and communicated to the public. we need to be specific about these solutions as opposed to knee-jerk reactions. host: at the fda there has been a suggestion to reorganize the

food program to change how they handle that. taking food out of the fda's mission. guest: the reorganization is fine. food needs to be elevated. it is the first initial and the fda. there is a 100 year history with food safety. food safety needs to be a priority but nutrition and healthy food needs to be a priority as well. improvements in the structure. elevating food, private and public partnerships. i would not take food out of the fda. host: dr. anand parekh with us this morning. we are talking about major health challenges, monkeypox, covid the infant formulas shortage. we want to hear from you. we want to get your thoughts and

questions. phone lines are regionally in this segment. it is (202) 748-8000 if you are eastern or central, mountain order pacific is (202) 748-8001. we have gone through some of the suggestions from capitol hill and folks in washington dc. what does the biden administration one is see when it comes to the cdc and fda? guest: we will wait and see. they have not officially announced, they are doing an internal review on how the cdc should improve their internal operation given all of these emergencies. i do want to make an important point that we are talking a lot about the adderall leadership and coordination that is required. there is a flipside to that. you can have the best federal response, but if you do not have the complementary state and

local infrastructure in which we have under invested, that response to the front line workers, if they don't have the data and the capabilities are not there to do the surveillance and testing, vaccines, we will not see the optimal response to any of these challenges. in this country, we have under invested in the public and local health. 4.5 billion annually to ensure that the conditions of the populations can be healthy so we can do what we need to do as a response. host: what's an example of a state doing that well and estate not doing that well? guest: states were doing that well have the ability whether it is covid-19 or the opioid

epidemic, the obesity crisis. they can do the surveillance, they can do the testing, they can do the communication and intervention. this is public health this is what we take for granted. public health in communities they are providing safe water. clean-air, safe schools, safe roads, preventing infection and disease outbreaks, preventing substance abuse. until we can invest in that infrastructure so the response structure is secure. we can have the best laid federal lands but we cannot ensure local responses. host: is there a pipeline of people going into public health service?

what does that look like? how did covid change the willingness of people to go into that as a career? guest: the public health area is in dire straits. people are reaching retirement or because in crier underinvestment, there is a pipeline but then covid-19 occurred. tens of thousands of public health workers, many of them because it was not a favorable environment to work in, we saw threats to public health. we saw an exodus from the front lines in terms of tens of thousands of workers. we need to increase our workforce. there is a lot of desire people to go into that field. we need to make sure we ramp up that workforce and they have the details to do that work. host: ron out of new hampshire,

good morning ron. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. our response to covid-19 is the single most consequential public policy failure and our lifetimes. over one million people died needlessly. they did not have to die at all. the u.s. has more covid does than any other countries. many other country has a fraction of the death rate. we are nearing three years into the pandemic and most people do not even know that the most effective way to prevent the infection is spread of the virus is a warm respirator. my question for the doctor is, can you please take a few minutes and explain to people what a respirator is, how to where it was a seal check is.

inform the public how they can prevent getting covid-19. guest: thank you for that question and i agree with what the caller just said. i would add in addition to wearing a high quality mask. a high quality mask, n95 respirator, a surgical mask if you don't have those are much better than a cloth based mask. most of the country is not up-to-date with their vaccination schedule. that is first and foremost. that is the way to prevent severe illness from covid-19 as well as to reduce transmission. respirators, high-quality masks are essential as well.

we need to make sure we are testing as well. those who are highest at risk no how to access treatment as well. we still have hundreds of americans every single day die from a vaccine preventable illness so making sure americans are up-to-date with their vaccination. they are masking when appropriate. we have come so far during this pandemic, we are almost there but not out of the was yet. host: what is your expectation for vaccinations being offered this fall? guest: we are hopeful that there will be a vaccine that is bivalent meaning that the vaccine will protect against the original strain as well as the omicron variant and specifically the subvariants. we don't know exactly when that

vaccine will be ready. it could be october or november. right now, if you are not up-to-date with your vaccination schedule, it is time to get up to date. when the new and does calm, we will have further guidance as to who should take it first. that will be important it will be a new and improved vaccine. host: peace pipe on twitter says the cdc and nih blew it. on this issue of trust in these agencies, where do you assess where that is today? what should they be doing to build trust? guest: polls show that trust is fallen and i think trust is something that begins locally.

it is strongest in communities amongst people you know. moving forward, these agencies need to continue to connect with the american public that they need to connect with those trusted sources and local community so they can partner with them. how these agencies communicate with the public is also important. it's one thing getting the science right, it's another thing communicating in a way that people understand and can take action on. host: to gulf breeze, florida, this is david. caller: hello. i had covid and 2019. before i got covid there were doctors on the steps of congress and they were presenting solutions to the problem on cnn

and they were ridiculed for doing this and they were saving lives. i got covid before the vaccines. my case was mild. they prescribed vitamin d inseam. they monitored me and i stayed home. when they came out with the trump came out with. they had other treatments prior to that coming out. that never should have been approved. now you are telling me this stuff is supposed to save you. i have had just as many of my friends that pass. they were older, they were

overweight. they died from covid. they had the vaccines and they did not save them. you have to keep yourself in shape. i don't think the cloth masks do anything. i don't wear masks unless they are required by the facilities. if you are asking me if i trust the cdc? there is no way i trust the cdc because of what they put out. guest: on the first issue of fda approving particular drugs. i agree that hydroxychloroquine should have received authorization.

in terms of preventing severe illness, vaccines are the best that we have. there is a terrific track record there in terms of preventing severe illness. there are other factors, these cloth based mass are not doing much of anything. n95 masks are important. in terms of the trust of these federal agencies, i don't think any agency has gotten everything right. when you look retrospectively, i am sure there are a lot of things these agencies would've done differently. at their core, these agencies have public servants that are trying to do the right thing. we have to make sure we don't

lose faith in these agencies. most of the time, they get things right sometimes they get things wrong. i do agree with you that there is a trust problem and we need to work on that. i think that is something with the american public and the agencies, improve messaging, i think the take away is we need renew trust and build that trust up. host: what was the biggest thing science got wrong during the covid crisis during the past 2.5 years? guest: one of the biggest examples we got the predominant mode of transmission wrong. at one point, there was a

recommendation for masks and cloth based masks but you really need high quality masks. there are a lot of things that did not go well early on. whether it was delayed testing, leadership not taking it seriously. being late to social distancing and pulling back to early. once we got the vaccine we saw dramatic improvement in every single metric. where we are now we are trying to get fully out of it and make sure that we have as many americans up-to-date with their vaccinations and they understand when to test and went to get treatment. the wildcard here is will there be another variant that we don't know about in the winter that we have seen previously with omicron?

most people are optimistic that we can get through the winter. host: this is tom from connecticut. caller: i am 77. i got a booster shot, i did not get the second one. i don't wear our mask unless i socially see people. i am a veteran also. governmental agencies are a total waste of time. i suggest find a hobby, read books. i also ran a skilled nursing

facility for 15 years and was exposed to every disease vector. i spent time in vietnam and south korea. 50 years ago everyone in korea everyone wore cloth masks. have a good day. thank you, goodbye. guest: it sounds like the collar is doing all the right things. he got a booster and wears a mask when socializing. i do take issue with and where i feel differently, we cannot lose trust and faith in the agencies that are trying to ensure our

safety and protect our health. there are changes that need to be made in terms of how these agencies communicate. there are lessons from covid, monkeypox. they need to be better supported . there need to be clarifications while those things occur. it is important that we don't lose that faith and trust. these are public servants that work each and every day on our behalf. in many cases,, they can probably make more money in the private sector. but each and every day, they are working very hard to do the right thing. host: you talked about that there was we got so much wrong

with covid. with monkeypox, are you concerned that we are getting it wrong? guest: we have taken some steps in the past few weeks to get the vaccine out, really ramp up testing, reduce the burdens on treatment. the issue with monkeypox is that many of the things we are doing right now, many expected we would have done a few months ago. therein lies the question, did we leave learn the lessons of covid-19. why are we laid again? we had all the tools at our disposal. we have a vaccine, we have tests, we have treatments. i think some of the concern with monkeypox has been we are finally getting on the right footing, why did it take a few extra months? it goes back to what i was talking about, are there too

many crises ongoing? is it not being able to recognize when a crisis is happening? is it not having enough resources? is it not knowing who is in charge? all of these things go into it. host: to mike from massachusetts. caller: i am seriously frustrated with monkeypox and the lack of response. we are talking trust here. i am thinking why is the lack of trust and here in massachusetts it feels like a cultural issue.

it is a lack of education issue that creates a lack of trust. i am thinking of the guy who called in from florida who said he would never trust the cdc and it is such a shame. the cdc is a leading organization in the world. social media, senna blows everything out of the water. we have a real issue with social media and education and a cultural thing with a lot of individuals who really don't care about their fellow american. it feels like it used to be different where the country would pull together and unite against a common enemy. and now we are fighting against

ourselves. guest: i don't disagree with anything the caller said. part of building trust initially you need to be open to it and you need to be open to coming together to realize that people may make mistakes and they are doing the best that they can. i think trust starts locally. if these federal agencies want to regain the trust of the american public, they need to more intensely connect with municipalities. they need to enhance their communication strategies. how they communicate with the public. how frequently they communicate with the public and be more responsive.

they need to be supported by congress as well as any administration that comes in. it is not on one entity it is all of us. host: what is the health and human services do? guest: it was created by congress and that is an individual who on behalf of the secretary of health and human services is in charge of preparing and responding for a public emergency. they coordinate all of these agencies that we have been talking about, gearing a response. congress has tried to strengthen that office and there is a proposal right now to converted from an office to an agency. it is unclear whether that will

get the result that we need in terms of enhanced federal leadership. that is an example of doing some tweaks but getting at the underlying issues of why we have been delayed in our response. host: would it be someone who would get daily access to the president? guest: someone who could supply that leadership and has the hiring and contracting authority it needs. there also has to be someone in the white house. in our latest report, we called it a deputy national security advisory for pandemics. one department can rarely tell

another department what to do. you need the white house to sponsor interdepartmental coordination. everyone is headed in the same direction. multiple departments responding to these things better. host: bipartisan policy center .org you can find these reports that we have been talking about. if you want to dive into it. he will be with us for another 10 minutes. you can call in and asked some questions. we have dan from georgetown, massachusetts. caller: thank you for having me on. as far as trust in the cdc.

i was watching what was happening in the world and their response to covid specifically south korea. hydroxychloroquine helps to get the zinc into your cells and if you get it into your cells it helps protect yourselves from covid attaching and attacking yourselves in the first place. the cdc came up with hydrochloroquine to fight malaria. it is a safe drug. i printed out a two-page right up on it.

it was touting how safe it was and how many people were taking it. guest: i would just say that the preponderance of evidence is clear that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment for covid-19. there is not a specific recommendation for zinc as a treatment but many people use that. in terms of south korea, their success was not because of hydroxychloroquine, they had masking strategies and social distancing and they coupled that with vaccination. there are lessons to be learned from countries around the world and that is what we need to be doing. host: to silver creek, georgia.

this is frank. caller: rna versus the j and j shot. the messenger rna was designed to treat cancer if i am not mistaken. it is fairly new in terms of vaccines. it tells you to create antibodies to this virus and now all of a sudden, this thing keeps mutating. i have had no problems with the j&j shot. i am wondering about the messenger rna. does china use it, does south korea use it?

let's talk about monkeypox and smallpox, both related. smallpox is spread through respiratory. monkeypox is spread through contact. luckily, it has not spread over. that is something you guys are not talking about, the relationship between smallpox and monkeypox. i would like you to expound on those things a little bit, thank you. guest: the mrna vaccines, there have been 20 years of research on those so it is not necessarily new. it does not change your dna. we now have research on the millions of doses from the u.s. and around the world on its safety and their effects. but to your point, there are

other vaccines like the johnson & johnson vaccine. there is a new vaccine the novavax vaccine that uses traditional protein-based technologies like with the flu shot. for individuals who have not been vaccinated that are concerned about the newer vaccines, this is another opportunity to get vaccinated. there are multiple choices now. all of these vaccines are considered safe and effective. there should not be a reason if you are concerned about getting the vaccine. in terms of monkeypox, i think scientists are looking at this closely right now. the current strain that is circulating is not that different from what we have seen in the past. in most cases, it is self-limiting, nonfatal.

we have nearly 10,000 cases here in the u.s. and it can be a painful condition with many needing to isolate for three weeks. we need to identify people who are infected, vaccinate those who have been exposed. get the treatments out there and educate the public. that is what we need to focus on and if we can do that, there is still a chance that this does not become endemic in the united states. host: lynn on twitter, with kids going back to school should we make children get vaccinated from covid before they go back to school? guest: on covid the messages whether they are up-to-date.

depending on their age, it is really important to do so. in terms of polio, it is important that your child has received their polio vaccine. it is usually a four course vaccine and i think that is the most important thing that you can do. most of us have been vaccinated so there is nothing to worry about. if you owe have a child and you are in a high-risk area you want to talk to your health care professional and you want to make sure that your child this vaccinated as quickly as possible. host: to california, this is rebecca. caller: i just want to make a comment and ask a question. with all due respect to your guest, no matter how much you

try to cram this vaccine down our throats, the people who have not been vaccinated will not get vaccinated. if anything, more people are skeptical of this whole situation. i believe more people are seeing that these vaccines are not effective. my question is, whatever happened to dr. fauci? what did he do that put them in a bad light? guest: i will repeat myself here and say that these vaccines are safe and effective. they reduce severe illness, hospitalizations and death. no vaccine is perfect.

as the virus has mutated the ability of the vaccine to prevent transmission has reduced and that is why you are seeing reinfection's and breakthrough infections. the most important metrics to reducing severe illness and hospitalization, vaccination is the best we have. you are correct that some people will not get vaccinated. for those people, it is very important that you use the other tools we have out there. the importance of getting testing, if you do test positive get treatment. where high quality masks. there are a number of things that each and every one of us can do to protect their own health but to protect the health of our family members and help the entire country. host: is dr. fauci the chief

american health officer? guest: yes, absolutely. host: this is jim from new york. caller: thank you for the opportunity. i want to say that i do not believe the vaccines are safe. my father died shortly after taking the vaccine. there is no doubt that the covid vaccine played a part in his death. i am really troubled that there is not a stronger push to push therapeutics that have been shown to work in japan with hydrochloroquine and ivermectin. i feel like there is not a need for children to have it.

why aren't we pushing therapeutics instead of this death job? guest: i am very sorry for your loss. there has been an incredible amount of research here. they do not cause covid-19. it is the best way to prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death. we need to continue to ensure americans know that there are safe treatments out there. paxlovid is one of them. hydrochloric when has not been proven to be effective. paxlovid, if you are in the high risk category within the five first day of illness it has been shown, even with the omicron

variant to reduce severity. it is important to know how and when taxes treatment if you are eligible. host: bipartisan policy center .org you can go there to see dr. anand parekh's work. we always appreciate your time when you stop by. later this morning we will be joined by the cato institute's alex nowrasteh to talk about the state of immigration and immigration as a way to address the labor shortage. we will take your calls to talk about any issue you want to address. we will take your calls after the break.

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any issue you want to talk about. here are the numbers republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. here is john from louisiana, and independent. caller: i just mr. guest and i was going to ask the question, he was saying that ivermectin was not proven to be safe for the treatment of covid. it is also listed as one of the 100 most essential drugs. it is odd to me that is not proven to be safe. host: it's not proven safe to treat covid. caller: yes, but it is one of

the 100 most important drugs in the world. caller: i am calling about something else. i highly support-100 economists said it will reduce inflation. for each economist who says that, another one says it won't. but what is in the act is absolutely fabulous. it means that my grandchildren have a chance at a future. i'm glad there will be action on climate change.

i recommend everyone read the specifics. there is a lot of stuff about health and there. medicare is going to be able to negotiate some prices. that is a big thing. i am disappointed in the republicans. for voting against a caps on insulin. that is hugely important to people across the country and that is a huge disappointment. i hope it gets taken up again as an individual bill. thank you for hearing me, i look forward to the rest of the show. host: the vote is expected for tomorrow, the house is coming into tomorrow. the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, looking to send this bill to the desk tomorrow.

on the insulin issue that you bring up, the washington post today taking up various aspects of this bill. just some background on this issue, democrats wanted to impose a $35 price cap on the price of insulin but republican lawmakers blocked that part of the policy to americans who had private insurance. the number of americans on medicare. many seniors pay an average of $54 per prescription. michael and san diego, california. you are next. caller: good morning john.

last time i talk to you was back in june and you had a gentleman on and when he was talking about ronald reagan, how much of a terrible president he was. now i would like to talk about how donnie bone spurs. do you believe the election was stolen? and they say, i know it in my soul. they don't say how they know it in their brain. he is terrible for this country. i just want a bag every democratic voter out there. please get out there and vote this november. host: do you consider yourself a democrat? guest: i registered as a republican in 2016.

she said if you want to vote for republican you have to register as a republican. i voted against trump and 2016. in my heart i am more of a democrat. we are a republic not a democracy. host: you should call on the line listed democrats if that is where you are in your heart. that is all i would say about that. i appreciate the call. this is joe in iowa. caller: top of the morning to you. i think the democrats make their number one issue corruption. when citizens united was passed, they turned america over to the criminals. host: is that all he wanted to

say joe? caller: that's all i wanted to say and that's the god honest truth. host: from pennsylvania. caller: i think it is time for people to start calling republicans out. they always want to cut taxes to corporations. the 2017 tax cuts, they promise the moon. it never came to fruition. but every time the democrats want to do something. jon stewart when he advocated for the 9/11 first responders, rand paul talked about the deficit. people need to start calling

republicans out. they don't care. they don't care about the deficit. our state budget is 40% dependent on federal money. if the federal government stopped sending money to alabama we would be poorer than we already are. let's move past this allusion that the republicans care about the deficit. they don't. they just care about aydin look bad -- biden look bad. host: this is roger from pineville. caller: i have been a c-span junkie since i have retired. i have a suggestion for you. are you there? host: what is the suggestion? caller: you play an awful lot of

soundbites, sometimes very long-winded by congressional people. i think that takes away many people calling. i just want to get back to this joe biden thing. anyone who truly believes that joe biden is in charge of this country has really got to wake up. he is not in charge. he just reads cue cards. host: who is in charge? caller: his staff. host: ok. this is bob in illinois, a democrat. caller: hello there john. i don't understand how people don't understand.

he is a leader. he is guiding the country. what he says goes. it is one third, one third, one third. to show my proof, when we voted for obama, those middle white folks voted for him twice. and then, when they were feeling reluctant they put trump in and then it went back to biden. it is hard to lead 360 million people. everyone has their way of doing things. i give aydin credit. -- i give biden credit.

host: next from texarkana, texas. caller: i don't know how anyone thinks that joe biden has done anything right. inflation has doubled since we have been in office. there's more in the ukraine. if you ask them what is going on i can understand how anyone thinks he is doing a good job. host: we saw them sign the pact act for veterans exposed to burn pits do you think that is a good thing? caller: democrats have always

been good about giving money away that they don't have. i have nothing against burn pits and people with cancer but i assume some of them have insurance that can cover that. they join the service so i am assuming they have good insurance. but they want the american people to pay an exorbitant amount of money for every project that they can come up with the right now we need to get the economy in order so we can all survive. host: what about the chips act? caller: -- to the point that we

don't have any chip manufacturing but we are developing things already. it is more money on the buyer of money that we don't have to burn and the more money you earn, the higher inflation will get. democrats don't understand that. ok's don't want to not text everyone. we think we can do better with our money that the government can do. we are better than spending our own money that the government is . host: it is after 9 a.m. eastern and this is where we will be headed to. i've policy center. the former director of the congressional budget office with a preview of what the next

congress could look like if republicans take control. you can watch that here on c-span, c-span.org or the free c-span now video app. later today, the commissioner -- to mitigate the disease and that conversation with the washington post national health reporter. 1 p.m. on c-span, c-span network and c-span now. 1:30, covers today on the -- coverage today on this d.l. hughley --steel hearing. many of you to watch today -- and see for you to watch today -- 20 --plenty for you to watch

today. curtis in south carolina. caller: how are y'all doing? when i was in the army, -- -- you did have a high school education but you just get in. these republicans don't love this country. it was ridiculous. they are taking over this country by doing stupid stuff. the computers run this company -- country.

this country is in the state in -- where it is because of the smart phone and the computer. this country is ruined because of the stupid education on the people of the computer. host: we will go to charles. caller: there are a lot of people calling in, talking about how trump lies. i would like to ask you a question, when him and joe biden was doing the debate and asked about hunter biden, joe biden stood there and told everyone there was no truth to it. they joe biden life? -- did joe biden life --lie?

you heard about his daughters and her diary, and i would say on this, full where she said she took charge -- host: that is charles in north carolina. this is luis --louise. caller: you -- how are you? host: i am doing well. caller: former president trump, i want republicans to understand this. he has done many illegal things that are corrupt. it was not -- people were not in power --that were -- 54 stuff

and every time he travels, he goes straight to the -- this gated stuff from his home. people are not talking about that and they are trying to make it look like he is taking something from the fbi. they are getting money from every last thing he does and he explained that for a full -- leading them for a full -- playing them for a full --fool. caller: thank you.

host: good morning. caller: just speaking on the issue that the young lady spoke out, on the invasion of the home, clinton and obama -- their homes were not rated but president biden clear yesterday that we are at 0% inflation so we don't ep inflation reduction act -- we don't need the inflation reduction act. scrap the inflation reduction act. and if you want to settle the irs model, -- problem, you need to have a flat tax. host: president biden was speaking yesterday about the issue of the economic report that came from the labor department on inflation. here is about a minute of the

president. pres. biden: the price of some things went out last month and other things went down by the same amount. the result is zero inflation last month but people were still hurting. zero inflation last month. economists look at the measured inflation and they call it core inflation. it is about the lowest amount in several months. when you couple that with the last week moving jobs report -- and 3.5 percent unemployment, it underscores the economy we are building. we see a stronger labor market and we are seeing some signs that inflation maybe -- maybe getting to moderate. that is what happens when you build the economy. everyone has a chance and there is a chance to make progress. host: president biden from the

white house in the week of the labor -- weight of the labor department report. this is the part of the program which we let you be a part of the discussion. nothing is in louisiana, republican -- malcolm, in louisiana, republican. are you with this? --us? this is kelly in west virginia. caller: the democrats and republicans talk about tax reforms but a flat tax, that is all they have to do. stop all the loopholes and a flat tax, less than 50,000, you pay 10% and over 50,000 you pay

15% so you won't need an additional 85,000 irs statements. democrats and republicans, they have been fighting this battle with the flat tax is the answer. host: this is alan, a republican. caller: thanks. i had a comment for hillary and her emails. have to remind hillary that there was an fbi informant that had negative information on the clinton foundation of oligarchs donating. host: lafayette, indiana.

terry. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i want to talk to democrats. there democrats are in on that and that is why president biden is passing that. we need a flat tax, that a 7000 more irs agents that will take our complete freedom. we have to get them democrats out there in november. or we will own nothing. no cars, no homes. democrats better wake up because build back better is the same thing as the great reset. host: why would democrats want to get rid of private ownership? caller: they are in with clout saw --schwabb.

host: joe in iowa. caller: just a couple points regarding the economy and the conversations. over the past several years, has an it seemed like the economy -- has not it seems like the economy is based on the previous administration, at least a cup -- past couple years and isn't the republicans maybe who on all the oil? don't they always go up when it democratic presidents -- when the democratic president gets in? host: if this president biden is economy or john thompson economy -- president biden's economy or

donald trump's becoming -- economy? caller: covid pay a little desk play a role in that but it is donald trump's responsibility on what happens. host: should joe biden have getting -- given donald trump some credit on their better than expected jobs report where joe biden counted better insulation -- inflation? caller: you can say so in some aspects but at the same time, even though trump got the vaccine rolling, it was joe biden that implemented it and got many americans vaccinated. it is a tug and pull but i wanted to add, if you look at

republicans and how they respond to certain policymaking for bills --or bills, it is funny how they say trump's for the people what republicans will do everything they can to take medicare and social security away and with the v.a. act. keep that in mind, republicans, when you use democrats because it does not 50 scenario --fit the scenario. host: independent. caller: good morning. american -- joe biden is too old. the last tape you plate, he said

there was 0% inflation. it was percent increase on inflation. did he misspeak or political spin? can the constitution work? if there is so much dishonesty? if the president lives and you realize he is lying -- does it make it so that lying is ok as long as you are advancing your own position and give yourself more money? everyone needs to say what they have learned in elementary school. i pledge allegiance to the flight of the united states of america and to the republic. if you have an issue, go see your elected representatives. host: do you think presidents

used to be more honest? caller: good question. host: do you want to answer it? caller: they had to be honest back. because we would not have survived world war ii. i would like to think so. base where an old on the bible. what level of odyssey do we need to have with elected representatives -- honesty we need to have elected representatives -- with elected representatives? host: stick around for that discussion. we will be right back.

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the snow arrested is with this -- alex no arrested -- what do you think it means for immigration legal and illegal? guest: what we have learned and seen as the number of job openings in the united states is related to the flow of illegal emigrants trying to enter the united states across the southwest border. the main reason to come see united states and there are many reasons. one of the primary reasons that people, is for the economic opportunities and advantages here. when you take a look at the wage

differences and you compare it to the united states. an identical worker can take up four times to 10 times increase in wages. what we have seen is the increase in job openings from a low point of 4 million to less than 10 million which is the last year -- last month we have data vendors -- on this. this has increased the demand for workers overseas and the 9.7 number is over the peak but that is the highest number of job recordings -- openings. host: you are talking about part of that time, title 42 is in effect. the border shutdown so what did that mean for immigration? guest: because of the labor

demand, more people try to enter the u.s. illegally. they try to come here for jobs and what title 42. , it was that health were in fact for the top administration in april 2020 during the height of the pandemic. it created perverse incentives. they put illegal immigrants over the border the same day and it created perverse incentives so illegal immigrants could try again. there will be actual punishments in the past but they pushed him out over the water now so they could try multiple times. title 42 made it easier for all people, events to come to the u.s. to make it easier for them.

that has increased the number of illegal immigrants in terms of the number of apprehensions at the highest level that we have seen. host: distinguish between the industries where illegal immigrants are more likely in command and more likely to go in industries where people and fritz -- helical, districts -- illegal, brits are trying to get these jobs. guest: this is for seasonal work in entries like landscaping and other seasonal occupations. we have a large number of visas and they come from mexico but in terms of the visa for the seasonal, nonagricultural workers, that is cap annually to

6000. the biden administration only issued about half of those additional visas so we have a situation where there is a lot of labor demand and we are not issuing all the visas that we could and 2021, for the green cars, there is a different program. it is for skilled workers coming to the united states. tech workers and workers in i.t. the united states government wasted somewhere around 60 and 100,000 green cards. this is a lot of factors. the government is not issuing the visas they said it would issue and as a result of closing off these illegal challenges, making it more difficult, we have diminished legal and

immigration -- legal immigration. host: if the goal is to get a job in the united states, and they achieve the goal, what industries are they getting in? guest: our lives are in agriculture -- a lot are in agriculture. also in construction. a disproportionate share of workers in the construction industry are legal immigrants. and for food production outside of agriculture like meat processing plants. it is not so much on the high end. most illegal immigrants are low skilled workers but we are seeing is a fact across many different sectors. host: topic we often talk about.

. alex norwraseh with us. if you want to join the conversation, republicans (202) 748-8001. democrats (202) 748-8000. dependence -- independents (202) 748-8002. what is the catch-22 of immigration reform? guest: americans are rightly concerned about the extreme amount of chaos at the border. this is the amount of chaos fight immigration systems that restrict illegal immigration and american employers who want to hire these individuals. so long. as chaos, americans don't want

to liberalize illegal immigration but the only way is to i's illegal immigration so these, grades -- liberalize illegal immigration. if we don't have a politician who is willing to legalize -- or liberalize illegal immigration, it is difficult to get out of that. host: people here you say liberalize. what is the conservative case for immigration reform? guest: it is immigration -- integration is an important part of free-market ideology. in order to make the u.s. economy as productive to everyone as possible, we need to allow many more legal immigrants

who want to come here for top opportunities and increase the productivity of united states and help us grow. the other part is the noneconomic case. we have a relatively open immigration system. this defines as. --us. ancestors come to different parts and we are all americans. the conservative case for immigration reform, looking back at american history and continuing traditions and looking at the economic investments. host: what would you say to mark stone who says that immigration should be based on needs. we don't need low education and low skilled workers.

guest: i agree that this should be based in labor demand but there is a demand for workers at every skill level. there are doctors and engineers and scientists. there is also a demand on the low end and i don't think the government is very good at deciding which occupation which should be filled by immigrants. before the internet -- before the massive change in the u.s. economy that has upended society and the production capacity. our system is out of date and we can't trust congress to determine what is the subset of workers by skill, and occupation. i think we should let the

economy decide the types of skills and numbers of local immigrants -- lawful immigrants to the u.s. and let immigrants and workers themselves choose. host: what is your view of sanctuary cities? guest: they are jurisdictions that reduce their cooperation with customs enforcement. to some extent. if you are arrested by a local police officer, we won't turn you over to the federal government for deportation. california has a law passed in 2014 and it said unless you are accused of -- or convicted of a long list of crimes, we will not turn you over to immigration and customs enforcement.

in a lot of cases, we want police to focus on violence criminals. people who are a threat. we don't necessarily want terri sewell illegal, the grid two, -- that comes in concent -- we don't want necessarily every illegal immigrant that comes in concent -- contact with police -- what we see is in places where sanctuary cities put into effect, no change in crime rates and places where they put into effect stringent local control. host:0 --you talk about incentive.

you sanctuary cities incentivize illegal crossings? guest: we don't see that. we have a wage increase coming to america. that is enough for people to come. it is not the difference between not having central heating in our house and having central. for these people, it is between all -- setting their kids to school for six to seven years or going to college. americans want to employ emigrants want to be an employee but the problem is the u.s. law kids into the wet. --way. host: jason, independent. caller: i wanted to ask critical

questions to alice --alex. think the discussion around immigration is often talking about the demand of white, grits coming 2 america -- of white, grits, to america -- why immigrants come to america -- what often is talking -- talked about his suppliers. can you talk about your research on how larger corporations, you mentioned meat factories are maybe farming sectors are supplying illegal immigrants with employment and can you opine on why there is not any enforcement on suppliers?

there seems to be a lot of conversation and demonizing for immigrants but not the same for suppliers. guest: there are certain areas of american history where we do see immigration enforcement against employers but not so much now, part of the reason is it is expensive and not a good way to go about it. cincinnati -- since 1986, it is illegal for u.s. firms to employ illegal immigrants. prior to that year, it was not illegal. you know you have to fill out a i-94 and that form is showing evidence that you are lawfully employed in the u.s. i increasing the benefit of giving -- getting an -- a fake

id, there is a larger cottage industry of fake ids so to go to these places, employers that are employing the illegal immigrants, is more difficult for many of these government enforcement agencies to do that because you have to check all of the data and compare them to real identity documents and try to make a determination about who is legal and who is illegal and that is expensive. they try to do is focus on corralling law enforcement to be immigration enforcement multipliers. they forced local law enforcement to cooperate but going after employers is expensive and doesn't yield returns but if we are concerned

about his treatment of immigrants, going after employers will have the same economic effect as -- it will diminish job opportunities. i fear this distinction a lot between going after employers and illegal immigrants by the end result is the to hurt release -- illegal immigrants. host: if economics is the key reason driving illegal immigration, how do you explain the rise and why we have so many asylum-seekers. guest: it is because of bad situations in these countries. part of the other reason is that so many other legal avenues are closed off.

some people who, or -- on visa or other ways realize they can get in easier if they can make a claim. host: talking 50% or 10% -- are we talking 50 or 10%? guest: it will take a lot of time to determine what is fraudulent but i would say it is substantial. if we work hearing the presenters, i wouldn't be surprised if it was -- the economic benefits are so large and a lot of people try to claim asylum in a effort to come to the united states. host: michael, democrats.

caller: it seems like this immigration policy thank is a ploy by the republican party's -- think is a ploy by a -- the republican party to discourage immigration and blame the president for the problem. build a wall, that is not a good idea but that is what republicans are pushing. the congress is supposed to be in charge of immigration laws and rules and they have done nothing. it is a propaganda employed by the republicans to keep it on the front page and use racism to deny immigrants into the country. guest: when i talked to my

conservative friends or republican friends who disagree, the vast majority are not interested -- they don't oppose immigration for racial reasons. the chaos and disorder and large number of illegal immigrants is what turns them off from legal immigration. i agree that bill the wall is a bad idea but it comes from the chaos and trying to control details. very few people think with a cts, the answer is liberalization. what we have seen over the last several days this is -- decades is that congress gives the president authority.

congress doesn't want to pass laws much. they want to get the president the power to do things. i wrote a piece with a colleague about the midst of immigration law where there were so many executive actions and so much power for the president to determine who to come to the united states. that allows him to control who can enter the u.s.. it is a systemic problem but what we have is congress advocating -- add -- abdicating its responsibilities. would like congress to have more of a say and i would like them to address issues and i would like them to be involved in debate. that is not what we are seeing.

congress is waiting for them to act. host: this is deborah, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with many things you are saying and turns out we have to work for specific legislation. we need more visas and we have to address a number of issues. the cartels and the human trafficking. the one thing i don't hear people speaking about is cost. according to the cdc, 20% of our nations children are born to a noncitizen and i suspect that the first american in this nation may grow up to be a president and i will be the first person to say hooray. the mandatory safety net we

have, that ship program for health insurance, all of these programs -- if 20% of our nations children are born to noncitizens, that is a $60 billion cost. as soon as individuals in our country have a child, now we are at a terrible fixed. we have a u.s. citizen with a parenting -- with a parent there is a noncitizen so we have to talk about the mandatory spending and the cost and we need to have some way of addressing because we cannot take on all this additional mandatory spending with a sweeping change in policy to allow everyone in unless we change the 14th amendment and potentially change the laws regarding representation in congress. thomas jefferson took the first census.

we should appropriate money based on population and the representation in congress should be based on citizenship. guest: on the issue of birth right citizenship, it has been an unintentional subsidy for assimilation. it is a great advantage to have the children of noncitizens and illegal immigrants who are born here to be citizens. that makes them more connected to the united states and reduces legal barriers to get education and jobs and we -- when we compare this to europe, we see much better assimilation in the united states and the evidence is clear that birth right citizenship has helped for illegal immigrants. i think the welfare state is out

of control. when we take a look at emigrant consumption of welfare benefits, it is 28% below native americans. the u.s. born citizen children have access to this. the benefits are adjusted downward is on the people who are eligible to leave you -- legally. we should build a firewall around the welfare state. host: what are the benefits for someone who crosses a legally? --illegally? guest: they do have access to emergency medicaid.

illegal immigrant children have access to wic. mom welfare benefit programs and they have access to school lunch programs and some states can allocate their own money for welfare programs. california is experimenting with a try to get 100,000 illegal immigrants under state medicaid. i think they are too expensive and they will have positive outcomes. i don't think american taxpayers want to subsidize that. illegal immigrants have very little access in welfare benefits. some states allow people who have a green car for five years, greater access to benefits.

legal and illegal immigrants have much less access to these benefits. host: are you ok with illegal bricks having access to these benefits -- immigrants having access to these benefits? guest: think we should be almost -- a welfare state. if there is, it should be reserved entirely for native americans. that excludes illegal immigrants and illegal immigrants that have become best legal immigrants -- legal immigrants that have not become native -- citizens. caller: i will my eyes when i heard this topic and what a great conversation. 2 -- quick questions.

has there been as study that simulates a number of democrats that come to the united states if all immigration restrictions were lifted, what would that flow be? this is about i have been thinking about. this is a chronic problem all around the world because with tv and the internet, people realize how poor they are and they want to live better and i don't know if there is enough to go around. guest: on the estimates of how many immigrants are coming to the united states, got rid of all of its prescriptions, it is hard to model something like that. i have seen estimates by a economist in 2018.

he said there was a 500 year projection so take it for what it's worth but he estimates the u.s. population was somewhere around 800 million to a billion. that is total people living here in 500 years. if you take a look at surveys that have been done recently, 158 million people saying they want to move to the states. case sheet -- talk is cheap a lot of people consider -- but a lot of people consider -- we don't really know and we should be skeptical of any estimates of the numbers. this is something i wish everyone knew in the united states. the legal immigration system is the second most complicated

portion of the u.s. law after the income tax. they are restricted compared to other rich countries. the u.s. is incredibly restrictive in terms of legal immigration. in terms of people knowing around the world how poor they are, that probably pays -- placed an effect but the big reason why they know is that there are people around the world who tell their family members how great it is in the united states and how much prosperity. is. -- there is. immigrants in the u.s. are more looking to save u.s. is the best country in the world and were likely to say that the rest of the world should be like the u.s. it is an infusion of enthusiasm, which i feel like we need.

i think media plays a role. the fact that so many people come here and do well and let everyone know how well they do is after -- a factor. host: any guest is -- guesses on what number three would be? caller: -- guest: maybe telecom law? caller: i listened to the labor shortage. anyone has to go down to lowe's, behind a building, you will get the labor you need. the poor people are getting slave wages because the guy that is running it takes most of the money. the other thing i caught about was i was so proud of aoc going

to the border and talking about the dead people in the river. as far as economic opportunities, the fence and all --fentanyl that is being sold, the people are being -- making money hand over fist. what happened the border patrol people who were living the illegal immigrants at the river --? they were going to jail? -- thought they were going to jail? guest: the governor -- government did investigations of that. that was not the case.

the individuals accused of woody --whipping were not guilty. but those pictures galvanize people. the vast majority of fentanyl -- the data is selective but as far as we can tell, almost all of them are through illegal points of entries. there's sort of -- all sorts of legal -- point of entries. not only illegal immigrants. a gaetz time in because of the border but i think the problem with venting all interest --fen tanyl and drugs, it causes chaos

and hundreds of thousands of really necessary -- unnecessary deaths. host: you will take you over the bipartisan policy center, a preview of what the next congress to look like if republicans do take control. the former director of the congressional office giving a presentation and we will bring that to you. until then, continuing this conversation with alex norwraseh . we will take calls. patricia, republican. caller: i have no problem with illegal immigration but when i have a problem with is what it costs for the children who can't speak english and i know we have a relative who is living here

and doesn't speak english. i wonder when they have people in school and teaching english, when they have all the benefits. guest: on the point of english language and assimilation, it takes time for immigrants to learn english and the best evidence we have is that half of immigrants become fully fluent in english and it depends on the skill level and how much english they do before they came but in terms of children, we find that 100% of them are english fluids and we take a look at the third generation of hispanics in the u.s. and most immigration, are people from spanish-speaking countries. by the third generation, one are full english fluids and some only speaking is -- 100% are

full english fluid and some only speak english. caller: two questions. is there a suppression of wages in any of the agricultural construction or housekeeping areas and secondarily, my concern would be whether or not these people are probably vaccinated especially with tb. i think there is a strain in new york city. guest: when we take a look at vaccination rates, i don't know about tb for other vaccines like measles and mumps and rubella and other types of vaccines, central america has a slightly

higher or about the same vaccination rates as the united states. to come in lawfully, you should be fully vaccinated and if you are not, you must have a good excuse like a religious exemption. vaccination among emigres are higher than they are for the nativeborn population but trying to keep out serious diseases is an important function of the legal immigration system. in terms of wage data, the general finding from economic research is that, grace don't have -- immigrants -- that is because immigrants are workers and 80 increased the supply of workers but they are consumers. they buy what consumers produce.

they consume a lot of wages in the united states so the net effect of slightly increased wages for the average, rates and average america come up when you take a look at wayne's competition, the most amount of ways competition --wage competition has to do with -- as with other immigrants. if you take a look at evidence from researchers, what they find is that the impact of immigration on natives is zero 28 touch to a --zero to a touch positive. host: what is your view of the wall?

guest: the walls increased the cost to come to the u.s. what it does do is incentivize immigrants who are deterred by that the use smugglers. to enter on a visa and over say -- overstate the visa. in the united states, in the 1980's, very few took smugglers. the price now is between 80000 and $15,000 -- 8000 and $15,000. it has given revenue to smugglers and cartels going into the business but i think immigration enforcement is aided by a open system because the

government can't regulate a black market. allowing emigration to be as legal as possible so we can control it and others can focus on the few bad actors. i am for more border walls but we need to do them and help enforcement by increasing visas. host: this look at what a republican congress in the -- could look like. kathy, democrat. caller: i was wondering if alex could make comments about home depot. i know some of them clean up cars -- for what they do and they want people

guest: the day labor market like that is something we don't have a lot of information on. one of the reasons why they are hanging around home depot, lowe's, around my house down -- town is because they are not able to work legally at other occupations. if they don't have state documents to get a real job, they sort of try to work day labor day today. that is the main reason why. i think there is always a role for day laborers but i think there are more than their otherwise would be due to the legal restrictions on these folks preventing them from working legally. host: what do you think illegal immigration number should be each year and where is that where we aow