-- paul --. ♪ host: good morning. it is august 14. the attorney general denounces attacks on the fbi. the democrats hit pause after internal disagreement on accountability language. both parties ramp up campaign ads focusing on fighting crime. policing, crime, law and order are all back in the news this week.

we want to get your thoughts. which party do you trust on these issues. we want to hear from you. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. you can also text us at (202) 748-8003. we are on facebook. you can send us a tweet. we are also on instagram. we will get to your phone calls in just a minute. first, we want to show you a little bit of the rhetoric surrounding the fbi's search of donald trump's home in florida. here is the top republican on the house intelligence committee representative mike turner. he is with fellow republicans during the press conference on friday were he gave his take on

that search. >> i want to begin by stating that all of our members of this committee are in full support of the men and women who every day work to keep our nation safe at the fbi and the department of justice. we condemn actions of violence against any law enforcement personnel. we have serious questions concerning the actions taken by the director and the attorney general to raid mar-a-lago. both of them are subject to oversight by congress. it is our job to ensure they are not abusing their discretion or politicizing the powers that we have given them. earlier this week, we requested that they disclose to our committee the national security

basis upon which they have ordered this raid. many other options were available to them, we are concerned of the method that was used in rating mar-a-lago and the nine hours that transpired while they were in his home. we are glad that the attorney general has begun the process of releasing some of the information to the american public. the public deserves answers. our responsibility is to make sure we are part -- give oversight. they will release the warrant and the and vittoria. it will still leave many unanswered questions. that is why our request remains that the director of the fbi and the attorney general disclose the national security threat on which they based their decision to order a raid on the president's home, there were many other options available to them.

we believe that after the release today that these questions will still remain unanswered. host: we also saw many members of congress commenting on social media about that fbi search at mar-a-lago. here is a tweet from marjorie taylor greene. she writes: here is another message from another republican, paul gosar of arizona. he writes:

we will take you to a couple of messages that came from democrats. this is representative adam smith from washington state. he writes: we will share one more tweet. this is from michigan representative debbie dingell. she wrote:

let's get to some of your calls on this question of policing, crime, law and order. first, we will speak to john in new york on the republican line. it good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. in the past couple of years, we've witnessed a lot of things going on. there has been a lot of dangerous activity. i believe the republican party -- i'm a republican. i am not really happy with the republicans as i am with the democrats. in this case, the republican party has the moral high ground. i say that because democratic support for the burning and

looting of our cities, the destroying monuments and everything. there is clearly a double standard. they went into president trump's home. could they have issued a subpoena? could they have done things in a more congenial manner to get this? i'm not trying to make excuses for president trump. it seems there is a clear double standard. there was a double standard with hillary clinton. a clear double standard with eric holder. sandy berger, i remember his name. he tried to escape with classified information. he was handed a life sentence. i heard on television he just

got his law license back. he didn't get punished that severely. roger stone, clearly for sensationalism. armed people there. muller calls cnn. peter navarro arrested at the airport. this is intimidation. i think people have to wake up and see incrementally this government is moving in a direction where it is starting to use force, like this capo tactics. to intimidate and coerce the average american so they won't object.

it caller: good morning. the main thing i called about was to ask you to make sure these people stay on topic we are going to be hearing about what hillary clinton did it, what barack obama did. they might go back to ulysses s grant. they don't stay on topic. they don't watch the news. they must not watch the news. some of the stuff they are talking about has already been in the news. it's already been proven to be wrong and they are still saying it. then they talk too long. bye-bye. host: next up is rad in kentucky on the independent line. -- brad in kentucky. caller: i wish i could be

confident in the news. what biden has done here, i don't know if he comprehends what he has done. he has set us down at half it could spin out of control very quickly. using federal troops on a former president. it's a pretty bad move. this is something that his gone -- it's an attack on the peaceful transfer of power. it's the insurrection that people find january 6 was. it's an attack on the peaceful transfer of power. if one administration cannot transfer power to the next without fear that federal agents will be rifling through their clothes, there is no peaceful transfer of power.

lincoln did not send federal troops to chase the confederates down. johnson and grant did not do so. they chose to pardon confederates. if lincoln and grant can pardon confederates, joe biden has no right to send troops to rifle through trumps things. host: let's hear it from the attorney general on thursday. he talked a little bit about that search of mar-a-lago. he uses that time to denounce attacks on the fbi and federal law enforcement, criticism of the search. >> let me address unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the fbi and justice department agents. i will not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked. the men and women of the fbi and

the justice department are dedicated, patriotic public servants. every date, they protect the american people from violent crime, terrorism, other threats to their safety while safeguarding our civil rights. they do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves. i am honored work alongside them. host: let's get back to more of your calls. next up is steve from missouri on the independent line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i would say i trust the democrats better than republicans. i don't know with the republican party stands for anymore. they are so far out there. i think they are all paid off by russia. they are a treasonous party that needs to be put down like the

civil war. i am not all in with the democrats. i don't know, a lot of people don't want to vote for them either. that's my case. i am not voting it all. there ain't no independent person to vote for. i definitely will not vote for republicans. have a nice day. host: next up is ronald in north carolina. ronald, are you with us? caller: yes. host: go ahead. caller: i was hearing people calling and saying they wouldn't vote for republicans. people need to wake up. they are voting for satan. the country doesn't have a chance.

the republican way is the only way to go. you'd better wake up. biden does not like black people. he's got two faces. i just want you to know. host: next up is neil in pennsylvania. caller: hello. good morning. first, the democrats -- the republicans appalling conduct in the past, not to impeach the idiot trump. we have a good system of government. we have a good system of elections. we have a lot of bad people in government and elections. mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, their unwavering support of donald trump is criminal. they are talking about how they

invaded his home. why did he have these documents? why did he take them? he's not supposed to take classified documents to his residence. their unwavering support of trump is the biggest problem in the country right now. stop supporting donald trump. host: ok. blake is on the line in mississippi. caller: i love this country. i think we need to be honest. the woman that got emmett till killed, she was right here in mississippi. right in my backyard. they find a warrant from 50 years ago.

this is a child. i feel sorry for her because she is old. when do we get justice? the world see this -- sees this. the world doesn't respect us at all. we haven't given black people and inch. we've done everything to stop black people. you like the uneven playing field. you benefited from it. it is a shame. if not fighting for reparations, it's a shame. host: we are talking about crime and policing and how it has become a campaign issue for candidates on both political

parties, on both sides of the spectrum. we are going to talk about the georgia race. i want to show you a campaign add that ryan camp had, attacking his opponent stacey abrams. >> i support the vision that is underlying. we have to reallocate resources. >> stacey abrams supported defunding the police. she is pushing to abolish police. she voted to bankroll anti-police groups. she is dangerous on crime. host: that was an ad from the georgia governor, accusing his opponent of wanting to defund the police.

in response, her campaign has an ad it is running that uses various voices to a cap -- attack the governor on criminal justice issues. >> i've seen all kinds of gun crimes. the new law is dangerous. it makes it easier for criminals to carry loaded guns in public. at the movies. in church. no permit. a background check. i call that criminal carry. brian kemp may talk tough, he makes us less safe. the last place we want more criminals with guns is here. host: we are getting your thoughts on which party you trust on crime, policing, other law and order issues. let's go to more of your calls. this is christine from ohio.

caller: this is christine. i want to say good morning. i am a former dod employee. we were trained, everyone in our office, never take classified off the property. i understand that the former president was given a year and a half of requests for the classified that he had on his person. he refused to respond to their requests. i felt like the fbi had no other choice than to go in and take the property. they did do this in a lawful fashion. this is how they retrieve classified. it had nothing to do with any kind of fight they had against

trump. trump was the one who did not comply to their orders. i don't feel like they had any other -- they didn't have any other recourse than to go to mar-a-lago and retrieve our classified -- the american people's classified information. it should never have gotten this far. host: next up, we have sean in texas. caller: good morning. if any citizen had committed the crimes that donald trump has been accused of, we would be in jail right now. me being from texas, the police

officers did not do their job in uvalde. that's what we hear. host: michael in new york on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. it's good to see you on this sunny morning. we can talk about some important issues about leasing and trust. it seems like every time the democrats have to do something like this, like retrieving classified information, it's not the democrats politicizing this. it's the republican party. that senator stood up that the democrats did this wrong. i want accountability. when it is thrust on the republican party, it's a song and a dance. that's what mr. trump has given us this whole entire time, even

after his campaign was finished and he lost the election. this is what is dividing our nation today. we need to get it together. let's just move on. mr. trump has no legitimacy as far as i am concerned. he doesn't bring substance to the office like mr. biden has. stop criticizing mr. biden. he's doing a much better job than trump could ever dream of doing. trump is complicit. he stole documents and got caught. i trust the democrats over the republicans hands down in this matter. we've got corruption of the republican party. everybody vote. host: we are taking your calls on the issues of crime,

policing, other law and order concerns. we want to hear from you about which party you trust. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans, a line is (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text at (202) 748-8003. we can get your tweets at twitter. we are also on facebook and instagram. let's go back to the phones. caller: let's pretend i am a mole. that means i am hid. i am down in mar-a-lago and i call them and i say there's no

one here right now. you can all come down. they all go down there. they were there nine hours in that place. they go through her negligees, her closet, they take everything. listen, america. they went to extremes to try and find everything they could. they thought maybe january 6 would be the answer, it wasn't. obama has got 30 million digital pieces that haven't been recorded. they get in there and they go through her closet, they go there for nine hours. what they are after, anything they can find. anything at all they can find to make sure this man does not run

for president. thank you very much. think about all of this. host: our next caller is marked in philadelphia. go ahead. caller: -- host: are you there with us? what about cynthia in pennsylvania? caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i do believe that the law and order does seem to be more encouraged by democrats. the reason i am set in my ways is i believe this is all about archives. why on national tv did i watch nancy pelosi tear up the copy of the state of the union address?

you could say wishy-washy or protecting, when you have the speaker of the house, you set the tone. when there are all these different rumors. i cannot imagine if it was something that important that it would've been allowed to leave the white house. i don't believe the president actually packs things when they leave. i'm kind of curious what is the answer to a very public display from nancy as well as a response in mar-a-lago. thank you very much. host: this morning, on the new york times, there are the latest on that search of former president trump's home in florida. one article says that at least one lawyer for the former president signed a written

statement in june asserting that all material marked is classified and held in boxes and a storage area at mar-a-lago had been returned to the government. the written declaration was made after a visit on june 3 two mar-a-lago by the top counterintelligence person in the justice department national security division. the existence of the signed declaration which had not been reported is an indication that mr. trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. it could explain why a potential violation of a criminal statute related to obstruction was cited by the department as one basis for seeking the warrant to carry out the search of the home on monday. it generated political shockwaves.

right next to it, we have an article about the rise in violence that has also been tied in some way to concerns, particularly from the right about that search. that article says in part: let's go to more of your calls on this issue. next up, we will try mark in philadelphia. are you there? caller: i'm here.

you're doing a great job. i just want to say, i saw that tweet from marjorie taylor greene about getting rid of the doj and the fbi. guess who investigating hunter biden and the hillary clinton campaign? it's the fbi and the doj, the same people that they want to eliminate. what we have going on is the republicans want to eliminate the investigations of former president trump, they want to continue the investigations of hillary clinton and hunter biden. the republicans, the only people they want investigated are democrats and never trumpeters. let them say what they really mean. thank you. host: next on the line is rick

in florida. caller: good morning. hello? yes. i am in clearwater, florida. it's what we call a free state. what i hear is very divided in our country. if we could separate our country from both coasts, we need to have two different countries. this is ridiculous. they do not see when the democrats break the law. they have no idea what's been going on. all the media except for c-span, they report on what's going on. nbc, abc, all of that is false. host: ok. next up is bonnie in

pennsylvania. caller: good morning. it is sunday. we should all be in church. i want to disclose that i am a 72-year-old staunch republican. nobody can steal my knowledge. i want to say to the american people we need to forget parties. we need to get out and vote. 25% of registered people vote. it's all talk. travel the world, see how other countries live. we are a laughingstock. we need to stop making the world like us and go back to the way we should live. we need to get along. we need to educate our minorities. we spend so much money, we waste so much money.

politics is dirty. whether you are a republican, democrat, whether you are an independent. unfortunately, a lot of people just listen. if they would see how other communistic countries live and help other they have to live, they would kiss the ground we walk on and stop this enemy. look in the mirror. we are the enemy. thank you so much. host: next on the line is roxanne in maine. go ahead. caller: good morning. the last call, the young lady from pennsylvania, wonderful comment. i agree with her. my comment was we are starting

to recognize it. to be a commonest country, we do not want the civil war. we don't want separation of states. it's ridiculous. we fought for our freedom. this is the united states. we need to work together. i don't care about republicans, democrats. we need to work together. the criticism with donald trump -- he made a comment regarding vladimir putin being a dictator. he said i would like to be a dictator. i have tried to express to people, we don't need another world war ii. this is where we are being led.

anybody understands the benefits of the fbi, cia, special forces, god bless them all. they are doing their jobs. these documents should have been released. don't listen to his words. they are false. all these documents, we don't have to advertise or request over and over again. for him to come out with this? they had to serve a warrant. finally, to get in there and retrieve these things. what is he going to do? sell them to other countries? we don't know what this man's mind does. i never trusted him. i don't trust him now.

be very careful. i have to say this. be very careful. he will lead people down the wrong path. host: i want to ask you a quick question. we've heard people say the search itself is sowing division. you talked about people needing to come together. do you think the search could be counterproductive or cause more divide? caller: i'm hoping that the search -- let the knowledge be brought forth for people to understand what's going on. that's why i'm saying this was a good effort. this had to be done. he wasn't going to release them. he had them stored wherever they were. anybody could've gotten in there. this is why you have to be very careful.

the archives are sacred. he is starting to put blame on obama. you need to put the blame on yourself. that's the way i see it. if we do something wrong, if we are caught, we are told. from the time we are young. this man is an adult. act like an adult. host: we are going to go to another caller. carl is in texas on the independent line. caller: this is charles. host: charles, go ahead. caller: i believe in trump. i can't believe he didn't get reelected rid he has done so much for this country.

he got my job back. he put many jobs back in the country. i don't understand why he didn't get reelected. host: we are going to go to another collar. robert is in indiana. caller: i've never heard -- it's unbelievable. the democrats say lied. look what biden is doing. he's destroying this country. it is so aggravating. i am 85 years old. i worked all my life. i have to look at something like this. my dad served in world war ii.

my uncle fought the battle of the bold. i would have went, i couldn't pass the physical. to listen to these democrats -- i am not a racist. but if you listen to the blacks that are calling in, how much they hate trump. they believe the democrats who have done nothing for this country. host: the next caller is shauna in tennessee on the democratic line. caller: good morning to you. i just wanted to say all of these people talking about trump, the raid was on tv. he could watch it as it was happening live. anything that was going on, he

could have said something about that. there was an informant working with the fbi, telling them that trump had those documents. this is an inside job. he cannot trust anybody. how about jared kushner, egot $2 billion from saudi arabia -- he got $2 billion from saudi arabia. let's not talk about failings. the fact is trump needs to go. thank you. host: we are going to get to a few more calls. as we talked about law and order issues, let's watch a campaign ad from ron johnson who is running for reelection in wisconsin. here is his ad.

>> violent and destructive riots in kenosha, record high homicides in milwaukee. liberal democrats have created the worst crime wave in decades. ron johnson is standing with our brave law enforcement officers to keep families safe. he wants to keep violent terminals the hind bars where they belong. host: let's get to more of your calls. next up, we have tim in maryland on the independent line. caller: good morning. i was listening. i am a first time caller. i was listening to the topic about law and order and

political parties and who you trust. my main issue is the first thing i would like to acknowledge is 90% of the laws that pass are lobbied by the top 10%, the wealthiest people. that's not a conspiracy. that's an actual fact. the other thing is you can't negate that. you can't discount that statement you talk about law and order. whose law? whose order? if it's the american people, then why are we the most heavily incarcerated country on the

planet by miles? you know? law and order is a dog whistle for certain people. the history of our president and congress, men and women in senators shows the middle class, the lower class, we have no say in law and order. this is evident by that history. i am from new york. the history of imprisonment of people in these communities. it's not one race or another. everybody that doesn't have money is going to jail if they do something wrong, generally.

we don't see that for wealthier americans. i don't think that is ever really talked about when politicians address law and order. they never really talk about who is making the laws passed. as far as law and order -- host: our next caller is mark from california. caller: hello. hello there. good morning. let's see. when it comes to law and order issues, i'm not going to support anybody that says defund the police or allows chaos to happen like the riots that occurred on

tv. nothing was being done about it. the police were told to stand down. i'm not going to support anybody that says the fund the police. in california, gavin newsom signs bills into law that would make the gun manufacturers responsible. if somebody shoots somebody with a gun, it's the manufacturer who will be responsible for that shooting regardless. i have had to call the police numerous times throughout my life. the police of always come out and done a good job handling the situation. there is nobody else i could call. it was always the police. host: we've been talking about

law and order issues. let's look at one more campaign ad from val demings running for u.s. senate against marco rubio. she is also a former sheriff. >> an impressive history of public service. >> that's what i've done, as a police officer and as chief. >> crime is down 40%. >> in the senate, i will protect florida from that ideas like defunding the police. that's just crazy. i approve this message. florida, it's time to send a cop on the beat to the senate. host: that his former police chief val who is running for senate against marco rubio. let's get to some more of your calls.

jude is in fort lauderdale. are you there? caller: yes ma'am. i am supporting val demings. over the decades, i have heard ridiculous untruths come out of mr. rubio's mouth. it's about time these democrats and republicans in washington sat down and decided who they actually work for. this constant throwing darts at each other and stabbing each other in the back, it's really getting old. it's really disgusting. thank you. host: the next caller is omar in san diego. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i will be brief.

you've been addressing the situation of crime. just to be brief, i worked the border from -- for 25 years. i can tell you, from what i've seen, whether it's democrats or republicans, people need to remember that in the past, where this started was after 9/11. that's the turn i saw the country take. it was bush who was in the white house at that time with dick cheney. they passed the patriot act. when it was passed, that was the beginning of the end of taking our civil rights away, our constitutional rights away. from what i've seen it, the republicans and democrats, they

are one and the same. it's all about the money. it's all about politics, all about control. this rate it place on donald trump, everybody has their opinion. i can tell you firsthand that eric holder was the one under fast and furious. that smuggled guns under our noses without telling us or letting us know. that got to order patrol agents critically wounded in mexico. it's a funny thing how people in this country have such a short memory. you have to turn the clock back. you have to see where things started to take a turn. where i see this country going now, i can see this country is

divided where we didn't really care who voted. it wasn't that much of an issue. today, it's an issue. it's instantaneous friction. as far as biden is concerned, he is killing this country with illegal immigration. the replacement theory is real. host: our next caller is ron in tennessee. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. it's about americans worsen the elitists. we've got china buying up farmland, look what george soros is doing to our political system. this is what's going on in our country.

it isn't about republicans and democrats. liz cheney is an elitist. george bush was an elitist. that's why they've gone after donald trump. he's not with that game. they are working to take this country. we have more wealth distribution during covid, the rich got 10 times richer during covid. something big is coming. it's not looking good for the american people if we don't do something. this is one world order stuff. i'm not a conspiracy theorist, that's the way it looks to me. you don't go after a guy four times with no evidence. he's a billionaire. wake up. host: i want to ask you, you

mentioned him as a billionaire, do you consider him an elitist? caller: he's not really in their game. he was working for the american people. he closed our borders. he gave us jobs back. we had a great economy until covid. why don't they want to find out the origins of covid? they used it on us. the chinese are in on it. they are buying our farmland. host: thank you for your call. the next caller is in tennessee. caller: i wanted to tell the american people one thing. this man tried to overthrow the government. he got a lot of people mad at them, even the billionaires are mad at him. this is the united states.

we've got a government that runs for hundreds of years. this one man it came in and tried to do something other people never thought about doing. he pleaded the fifth when they were asking him questions. thank you. host: the next caller is rick and indiana, he's a republican. go ahead. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: go ahead. caller: i'm very sorry. 30% of the people that vote for biden and democrats are brain-dead.

i'm sorry? host: go ahead. caller: ok. anyway, i think it's not nice to defund the police because it's not really right. if you look at what the democrats are doing it right now, they want to defund the police. they want to take over the country. they are going to take over the country. it's a mess. they want to follow in the footsteps of hepler. all our tax money to ukraine. if we quit sending money over there, we wouldn't have a war very long.

jb johnson killed kennedy. host: the next caller is gerald in oregon on the democratic line. caller: as far as law and order, i would go with the democrats at this point. you have the republicans right now, they are doing everything to obstruct justice. if they have nothing to hide, think should be out in the open. you are supposed to go when you get a subpoena. i hear people talking about trump. i don't see anything he's done. he has lined his pockets. host: the next caller is josh in

illinois. go ahead. caller: i just recently discovered the show. i really do think it's unique view into the mind of the average american voter. i have a different perspective on the fbi search that happened in mar-a-lago. i don't have any doubt that trump is keeping classified documents just feet away from where he was keeping his roast beef in the buffet line. i'm sure he was. i really do not think any criminal conviction or prosecution is going to happen of any president. i don't think these institutions can allow for that to happen.

if one former president get prosecuted, it does open the door for every other president to get prosecuted, whether it's taking documents from the white house as opposed to turning them in or whether it's ordering a drone strike on a doctors without borders hospital. every president does illegal actions. we will just open the door for the next political party to prosecute the next one. i wanted to say that order patrol guy talking about government taken away liberty is rich coming from those guys considering what the border patrol detention centers and what goes on there. thanks very much for the show. host: next up is danny in kentucky. caller: can you hear me?

ok. you had a caller -- if donald trump was an elitist if he is a billionaire. i note he is in the same category as the real elitists. he's not in their category. he is more for the people. that's because he's an outsider. that's why he got elected. another thing i was wanting to say, people were talking about the republicans making the kool-aid. remember jim jones, he was affiliated with the democratic party. people just don't study history. that's why they are calling in. they are not really

investigating to see where things are coming from. host: the next caller on the democratic line is desmond in florida. caller: hello? i am a first time caller. i've been trying for years. a lot of people are saying why this man wasn't reelected. anyway, when trump got into office, he got rid of certain people for viruses. that he told president xi viruses were bad stuff. he came back here and lied to us. people still want to be

reelected. george bush wasn't reelected after he said no new taxes. if you do something wrong, you won't be reelected. host: our next caller is kirk in alabama. caller: good morning. good morning to the country. thank you for taking michael. you are you are someone kneeled. i haven't -- new. i have never seen you before. you're doing a good job. i thought the subject was who do you trust on law & order issues, but everyone is calling in and talking about the national business, politics with trump and biden and all the rest. as a new yorker for the most

part, pertaining to law & order and issues of the country -- and only -- country nationally, i believe the republicans are better. as a new yorker lived through mayor koch to mayor bloomberg, as a black man, democratic police commissioner's, democratic cities, they are run into the ground. the black mayors, the black police commissioner's, they do not put the hammer down on crime. they are soft armed crime as opposed to the republicans who are hard on crime and did they are way more supportive of the democrats who are more supportive of the victims of

police brutality. in my opinion nationally, city by city, crime wise you might want republicans as your police commissioners. there are more inclined to take crime more seriously and be more inclined to protect into supported the victims of crime. host: we will take a quick break. up next on washington journal we will hear from u.s. news and susan milligan and paul steinhauser. they will discuss the week in politics and campaign 2022. later robert daly will discuss china's retaliation after nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan and u.s.-china relations.

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where do we go from here? paul: so many questions remain as to the fbi search and what are the next steps? what does the justice department do next? this was the story that dominated the world of politics this week. as we start this new week, it remains the top story. what are the next steps by the justice department? republicans in congress, many of whom have stood by the president in the last week, and what does the biden administration say as they tried to keep a distance from this justice department investigation into the former president? host: we consider this almost the end of primary season.

where do you think of the race stands for control of the u.s. house and the senate? do you think democrats have any chance of expanding their majority in the senate, and do they have any chance of keeping control in the house? paul: -- susan: it is turning more competitive than any of us had anticipated. president biden's approval ratings are still low, but there has been a lot of factors here. it is possible for the democrats to expand the majority a little bit. they will -- you will have to un

-superglue my jaw from the floor if they win back a majority in the house. it is partly the abortion decision. the democrats are feeling more -- they are a little more motivated and a little more likely to get out. host: we want to get to your calls and a moan it -- in a moment. you can start calling in now. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans, dial (202) 748-8001. independents, your line is (202) 748-8002. you can also text us at (202)

748-8003. you can also find us on instagram @c-spanwj. there were 10 house republicans who voted to impeach former president trump after january 6. of those 10 republicans, 2 won their primaries. 3 loss to their primaries. -- 3 lost their primaries. 4 are retiring. there are democrats now encouraging democratic voters in wyoming to switch so they can though in the republican primary for liz cheney -- vote in the republican primary for liz cheney. >> you might be surprised that i

am supporting liz cheney, but principal must always come before politics, and nobody has shown more honor, integrity and courage then she. patriots will put it all on the line to protect our country, and liz cheney has done that. it is far more imported than any policy differences -- important than any policy differences we may have. host: paul, i want to start with you. the fact that of those 10, at most 3 of them are returning to progress and there could be 7, if not 8, who are no longer in the house after the end of this year. what do you think that says about the republican party and trump's influence still on the

party? paul: donald trump is hands down the most popular, and the most powerful politician in the republican party. it is still very muchdonald trump's party -- very much donald trump's party. he has been on a roll lately. arizona, michigan, some very high-profile gubernatorial primaries. the trump -- politicians trump was backing, those candidatesw on -- the politicians trump was backing, those candidates won. liz cheney is trying to get a fourth term in the u.s. house. she has been reaching out to wyoming democrats, hoping they

will cross the party line and vote for her. there are not many democrats in wyoming. while that strategy will probably work, there are not enough democrats to help liz cheney win coming up in 2 days as she faces a number of primary challengers, including one who used to be a supporter of hers, who is now endorsed by the former president. cheney has made it clear. if you listen to her language in sunday talk show appearances and elsewhere, she is asked about her father, former vice president dick cheney. she would love to win reelection, by making sure donald trump never returns to the white house is more important. it is as if she is getting ready

for another battle, which many think is a bid for a republican presidential candidate in 2024. host: what do you make of it that so many of those republicans who spoke out against trump -- 4 of them said " i am not even going to try again." what does that say about partisanship and america? do you think there is any chance liz cheney will prevail with the help of democrats? susan: there are not that many democrats in wyoming. trump is not an ideological leader. he is more of a personality leader. the problem is if you are a republican running in a a primary, you cannot separate yourself from him, or you will not win your primary.

there are definitely republicans who are with him, and there are some who are trying to stay on his good side, but you look at these races in arizona and maryland, although to be clear in maryland democrats helped the trump-backed republican win the primary because they thought he would be easier to defeat in november. trump is very much so still in control of the party. you're seeing potential challengers try to be careful about -- ron desantis is a great example, someone who decried the fbi search of number president trump's -- former president trump's property in florida.

host: before we go to calls, on the other cited the political spectrum, ill hunt omar barely -- ilhan omar barely won her primary. what does that tell us about the state of politics on the democratic side? susan: progressive women are becoming a more dominant part of the democratic party, but they are not taking over the party as much as republicans would like to have a lot of the american public think. i was watching the special election in minnesota have more, because that ended up being close. that makes democrats think abortion is working in their favor. i think that is where a lot of

the party is moving, but it is find that, that wing of the party is not taking over the party. host: let's go do some calls on the democratic line. we have georgia from gonzales, louisiana. what question do you have? caller: i want to know why no one has brought up why he had souvenirs with the presidential seal on it? i want to know why no one talked about that. susan -- host: susan, do you have more information about that? susan: it is such small potatoes compared to the january 6 investigation, compared to what happened with the documents, sensitive documents down in

mar-a-lago. i hear you. i have never been in a situation like this where it wouldn't be a huge story. there -- host: our next caller is joel from mountain home on the republican line. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: good morning. happy weekend to you. sorry you have to work today. i only have about 4 things i want to discuss with you. i think it was a shame that they keep picking on president trump. with 6 years now, they have gone after this man. he was impeached twice. he told us during the campaign that they are. only coming after him, but they are -- they are

not only coming after him, but they are coming after us. good prices are up, housing prices are up, and when president joe biden took office, he signed 18 executive orders, and i don't even think he knew what he was signing. back to dick cheney --he is the one who got us into the war in iraq. there were no weapons of mass distraction there. hiary deleted -- hilary deleted her emails, and nothing has been done about that. the news people, they hid the information on hunter biden. that was not even brought up during the campaign, but now they still have not rated his house or put him in leg irons --

raided his house or put him in leg irons. we are controlled by the communists. host: paul, that color brought up that it seems that -- caller brought up that it seems that there is not enough acknowledgment of the good things that president trump did. what is your take on that? susan: you hear -- paul: you hear that a lot. i was just down in texas covering cpac. that is what you hear from any on the right, many who are devoted supporters of the former president, and they feel he has been wronged and is continuing to be wronged by this fbi raid on mar-a-lago. the likelihood that the

president will make another stab at the white house in 2024. that color is not a lone voice. there are many on the right who feel like he does. you can take issue with many of the things he said and the factual islet he of them, -- sexuality of them -- and the factuality of them. host: our next caller is from new jersey on the independent line. caller: i would like our guests to address the issues of overrun crime, especially in democrat-run cities. they are releasing violent criminals on bail, who go on to

do what violent criminals do, which is harm, murder, rob, assault innocent people. i would like them to address how this could also affect the upcoming elections, and instead of trying to impeach president trump the fourth or fifth time for nothing, they should be addressing and looking into this , incentive -- instead of a sham january 6 court. liz cheney is better because donald trump correctly called her a war profiteer. paul: crime -- susan: crime is a big issue.

probably 2 of the biggest vulnerabilities the democrats have this fall are crime and inflation. i think that is an issue. you would expect a mayor handle it more than members of congress, but there has definitely been frustration with that. we will see what happens as we get closer to election day. paul: in new york, the gubernatorial race there, it is traditionally a blue state. lee's eldon, the republican nominee there, is talking about cashless bail, getting rid of the new prosecutor in new york city.

crime is front and center in some very prominent races. republicans have been good at saying every democrat wants to defund the police. that is obviously not the case, but it is an argument the republicans have been making. it sounds like it is sticking with that caller just now. host: our next caller is lou from florida. caller: good morning. how are you? paul: good morning. caller: i have a comment first. that is delusional. the power of the people, i think we can agree is wielded by the president.

if you can identify the word autocorrect for me, it would be very -- autocrat for me, it would be very helpful because i feel like that is where we are going with democrats. paul: i am not sure if he is describing the former president or the current administration, so i am not sure what he meant by that. there has been a lot of talk, and there will continue to be some about the powers of the federal government and whether they are too strong and whether this country is moving towards autocracy. host: next step we have dee in spokane, washington on the republican mine. caller: hello -- the republican line. caller: i was thinking about this when we left afghanistan.

that was a good move, that they should have gone directly to our own border. we can protect ukraine and everyplace else, but our own border is unprotected. the is just -- the situation is just getting worse. host: that caller just mentioned the pullout from afghanistan. tomorrow marks 1 year since the fall of kabul to the taliban. susan, can you talk a little bit about that and how that has been one of the things the news has criticized president biden's administration? susan: typically, a president will be punished more for his or her performance on domestic issues.

in this particular case, it is almost to the day that president biden's numbers began to plummet, after that disastrous pullout from afghanistan. it is not that people wanted to stay there. we have been there 20 years. of course, the pullout itself was just chaotic. i think he is still recovering from that, a little bit. things that happened since -- that is when things started to go downhill for him. i am not saying he is not in control, but it contributes to that impression. paul: this president, president biden head favorable approval ratings for the first -- had

favorable approval ratings for the first six months he was in the white house. that was the start of a steep decline. we are starting to see has numbers rebound a little bit, but if you look at the averages, he will have 30% approval, and disapproval in the 50's. that is lower than president trump. the presidential approval rating is such a key parameter. host: next up, we have take in -- tay in houston, texas. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to address the gentleman about trump.

trump, and i could be wrong about it -- trump is only president in modern history who left the economy better than wearing -- when he entered. he left office with far less jobs than when he came in. obama had 3 potential pandemics. he do not fire scientists. trump spent his whole time during this pandemic fighting science. the economy fell. whose fault is that? i see all of these people, -- trump has done nothing for this

country other than make us sick and broke. his supporters -- nobody is scared of civil war. they lost in 1865, they lost in 2020, and they lost on january 6. i support liz cheney 110%. host: there is a lot of rhetoric we have heard this week about civil war and whether attacks on trump amount to dividing the country. how do you think that will impact elections this year? paul: there is a lot to unpack -- susan: there is a lot to impact.

i'm conscious of the apocalyptic language we are hearing out there. in eastern europe -- i do not throw those words around. i want us to be careful about that. i think that the search -- we do not even know if it was an investigation -- the search of his home, i do not know what impact it will have. republicans rallied around him very weekly. if it turns -- very quickly. if it turns out we find he had documents that could endanger the united states, that could be a problem. we do not know whether the justice department -- they may

have just wanted the documents back. they cited a possible violation of the espionage act, but that does not mean they think he is a spy. it just means they reserve the possibility that someone violated an aspect of the espionage act. theft could rile up the base -- that could rile up the base, for it could get others to come out and say " this is terrifying that a former president has sensitive documents." i want to be careful about enabling elements of the country , because i think it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. host: i want to ask you something the caller mentioned

about pandemic response. is that something that could be a weakness for president trump, if he decides to run in 2024, or is that something drummed up by his opponents? paul: his response to the pandemic was the reason he lost the 2020 presidential election. that is crystal clear. the issue of the pandemic has receded. it was still a major issue in 2021. we are more than halfway through 2022. it is not the top issue on the minds of americans anymore. it is inflation. if he runs again in 2024, and it sure looks like he is serious about that,, will it be used against him? of course it will. it will not be an issue at the top of the minds of most

americans. the economy was flattened by the pandemic, the worst pandemic this globe has seen in a century, and now it is rebounding. as the biden administration tries to tout on a daily basis -- wages are soaring. all of that is getting trumped by inflation that is the worst in 40 years. desk prices are receding. -- gas prices are receding. if those continue to go down, and inflation overall starts to slowly reseed, it will be less of -- reced it will be less of an issuee -- slowly recede, it will be less of an issue. host: our next caller is on the

democratic line. caller: i have a question about the midterms, and i want both of your guests to answer this question. how serious of a problem is gerrymandering? i think that the politicians now are picking the voters, and the voters are not picking them. i want both of your guests to answer that question. host: susan, do you want to go first? susan: that is a factor in a lot of states. there have been a number of races that have been decided by very few votes. i hope people are not discouraged. it is also one of the reasons

there is a limited number girl party can pick up in any given cycle, because there are fewer genuinely competitive districts than there used to be. things change. we saw the speaker of the house, however many years ago -- a district do you do not think can flip, can certainly flip. host: paul, anything you want to add? paul: when i started covering politics, there were maybe 60 congressional house seats in play every election. now we are down to maybe 20, 25, and why? because of redistricting,.

gerrymandering both parties are at fault here -- because of redistricting, gerrymandering. both parties are at fault here. s nonpartisan commission -- nonpartisan commissions are the ones who write the new districts, who draw the new districts every 10 years, so there is hope for those who would like to see this become a nonpartisan issue. host: our next caller on the republican line is gail in tallahassee, florida. caller: paul, this question is for you. you are the perfect person for this, because you are very familiar with the investigative journalist catherine harris, and she used to work for fox news. she posted a tweet that was talking about documents that she

held up, and they referred to crossfire hurricane, and it was kind of insinuating that the fbi may be have gone in they are for these documents, because it could possibly indicate something against of the fbi. i was wondering what your thoughts were on that. it indicated corruption in the fbi is what i am trying to say. paul: i am a campaign reporter. i am not familiar with this information she was talking about. i cannot talk directly about that. in the near week since the fbi raided mar-a-lago, you have heard some republicans in congress talking about defunding

the fbi. the fbi's status, trump and the fbi, has -- the republican party has been known as the law & order party, but this is a party now where we have got to the point where some are calling for the defunding of the fbi. host: our next caller is might on the independent line in spring, texas. caller: good morning. my question/comment is the country seems to be pushed to 2 extremes. i try to listen to all sides. i listen to radio shows and

everything in between. there is not a whole lot in between. it seems like this extremism to the right and the left is being fueled by the media. people who have radio shows who just want high ratings, and the only way they will get high ratings and numbers of listeners is by going to the extreme. speaking moderately and truth -- c-span is kind of an exception. speaking the truth and presenting facts, that is not how it is happening. it seems like the media has a role in driving the country to these 2 extremes.

one thing i would say to the republicans, i am an independent. i have been a conservative voter in the past. republicans, why not find a good conservative candidate that we can support, elect, and who can govern the country responsibly? ask yourself, if president biden ir former president -- or former president obama had done half of the things former president trump has done, what would you be saying? what would you be thinking? i listen to lies being spoken on the air. they're talking about " if the fbi when did these papers, why didn't they just asked for them?" the fbi recovered some documents back in june, 15 boxes and mr.

trump without some highly classified documents. they tried subpoenas, they tried negotiation, consent, none of that worked. the only way to recover these highly classified documents was through a search warrant. i see it on the media -- they are whipping up people into a frenzy with actual lies. ever since the reagan administration, the fairness doctrine was canceled, and some things the clinton administration did with the media as well. it seems like we are being polarized into these 2 extremes by the media. host: we will let susan respond to that. paul: nobody hates -- susan: nobody hates the media more than reporters! even when they are talking about

basic news -- i am old enough to remember when the news was half an hour with walter cronkite. now they are trying to keep you from clicking to another cable channel. it is a constant effort -- everything is in crisis mode. i always tell people if the media is biased in a way, they are biased towards conflict. i think you are right about it. they keep people wound up. even regular mainstream news is biased towards conflict. it is not even about an ideological divide.

you could not find 2 more opposite people when it came to their outlooks, but they were genuinely friends, and they work together on the hill. i want to believe that we can get back to that. it is not a function of where you are on the political spectrum. it is your ability to accept the other person and work from there. paul: i would just add one. thing -- add one thing. social media has dramatically changed this country and polarized people who never spoke out about politics. now everyone has a platform on social media. that is a dramatic difference from the present-day, and even going back just a decade and a

half ago. host: our next caller is lydia from birmingham, alabama. caller: good morning. i would like to say, i am really concerned about our democracy and freedoms in america right now. the raid said that -- the fbi the said domestic terrorists are what we need to worry about. i am a black person. i live in birmingham, alabama, and crime is very bad here. we are a red state with governor kay ivey, but what i am really

concerned about is because we fought for rights in this country. that is the fbi. as a black person, do you think i can get away with some of the things this man did? in america, we have laws. he is not above the law, no more than my black brothers are. we have to follow the law, and the republican party, they are saying defund the fbi! i have law enforcement in my family! america, wake up! host: let's get some thoughts from paul on that color. paul: a very passionate -- on

that caller. paul: a very passionate caller there. we have seen the voting laws, voting access laws in many states since the 2020 election become stricter, many of these are republican-led states. many feel that these new, restrictive laws are directed towards minorities, making it harder for minorities to vote. host: next up on the republican line is ron in pennsylvania. caller: it took me 5 years when i moved here to say at! host: go ahead with your

question or comment. caller: you said a really bad word a while back -- it was the 2020 peaceful demonstrations. i do not know why you never hear anything, nothing about it, not anything anywhere. it is all trump, trump, trump, trump. they are saying republicans are so bad. before trump got into office, they have those proceedings ready to go to impeach him before he even got into the white house. he has been on his -- they have been n bi -- they have been on his butt every day since.

democrats must like paying more for gas and food. he does not want to help us. our border is wide open. we have all of these people coming across the border. we are threatened by russia, china who are into hoots, and china is -- in cahoots, and china is buying up land here. susan: -- paul: let's start with government spending. the first major spending bill came under the trump administration. they were passed by both republicans and democratss in congress and signed by then president trump. the biden administration has continued that. the democrat only bill, the

covid relief package plan, but there was a bipartisan bill, republicans supported as well. i'm talking about the infrastructure package. republicans blamed these spending bills for the inflation. economists debate that. i am not an economist so i will not say what is right or wrong. border security is a huge issue . it is an issue that president trump road to the white house in 2016. we have seen a huge influx in undocumented migrants crossing the border. republicans blamed the white house for this issue.

host: next we have jay from columbus, ohio on the independent line. caller: this is for paul or for whoever. i do not consider myself independent, democrat, or any of that really. what i will say is i usually vote for whoever the best candidate is. ever since trump came on the scene, there has been nothing but chaos in this country. all of these trump supporters keep talking about civil war, civil war, civil war. no one is scared of civil war, but you want to talk about violence ? what about the violence the republican party is always promoting? everyone wants to talk about what president trump did for this country.

what did he do other than bring chaos to this country? he doesn't know the first thing about politics. he cannot even quote the bible right! how can people support this guy when one minute he is talking about supporting the police, and the next minute he has nothing but negatives to say about the police? how can you guys really support trump when you know all he does is lie? it is prison that he tells nothing but lies. how can you -- it is proven that he tells nothing but lies? host: susan, what is your response to this caller? susan: trump is not so much of a positive diet. he is not -- positive diet. he is not -- a positive guy.

he is not ideological. a great example of this is abortion. now that might end up working against him in the midterm -- one thing i noticed about him in the 2016 campaign is people felt like they were not being heard, and they thought that he spoke to them. is more about that than " he has this plan for the border." it has more to do with his personality appeal, for want of a better expression. it is -- there are definitely callers like we had earlier in the show who are passionate about president trump. host: let's watch a couple of

campaign ads from both sides of the aisle. first we will look at an ad evidence kansas talking about biden facing low approval ratings. http://twitter.com/cspanwj --[video clip] >> why is greg while -- why it is greg stanton making everything worse? stanton bail them out and left you holding the bill. now liberals want to spend even more. call greg stanton and tell him no more spending because you cannot afford his liberal agenda. host: now we have an ad from the house majority packet targeting

house republicans on abortion. [video clip] >> for washington republicans it is all about control -- control of our bodies , control of our rights, and control of congress. we have to stop them. republicans supported punishing women traveling for abortion care. if republicans win, they will ban all abortions in every state. control is at stake. vote democratic. host: we are going to get to some more collars, but susan -- callers, but the party in power usually loses seats at the midterms. do you think the -- susan: there -- democratic

candidates are running well ahead of biden. there are numbers for some reason do not seem to be quite aligned with president biden. the generic ballot, which is really vague, it is " would you rather have republicans or democrats in congress?" we should not get too excited about it. the interesting thing here is the swing. monmouth university polls showed the democrats up. it was a 14 point swing.

it does not mean that will translate into every congressional districts, or enough congressional districts, but democrats are not suffering as they historically would be at this point. the other thing is that again, republicans should be in a better position their. -- position there but, they did a bad job recruiting. they have candidates in pennsylvania, georgia, and ohio who have not been terribly strong candidates. john fetterman, the democratic candidate in pennsylvania had a rally for the first time in 3 months, and he is pulling ahead of limit awes -- ahead of his

opponent oz by double digits. they are tinting the landscape -- changing the landscape. host: let's go to another caller, jury on the democratic line in martin, north dakota. -- jerry on the democratic line in martin, north dakota. caller: let's forget about party. no man can stand up there by himself. he lied and he stole twice. when he gave 15 boxes back and kept the rest, what do you think will happen? i have a lotto friends who are trumpers, but they said they

cannot vote for him. everywhere he goes, it is a disaster. as far as inflation goes, do you remember the last one? they had cars lined up for miles trying to get gas. at least we can buy it now. the one before that, i was pretty young, and i remember my mom saying " money didn't matter. you need stamps in order to buy stuff>" -- to buy stuff." i am not seeing anyone in my area lived any differently than they did before. trump has got to go. he has lied and lied and has caused nothing but chaos and hate. paul: i am old enough to remember those gas lines from the 1970's when i was a boy. that aside, what is remarkable

-- we have been here for most 50 minutes, and it all comes back to trump,, trump, trump. dear remember the 20 -- do you remember the 201 midterms8 --do you remember the 2018 midterm? we were not talking about former president obama. we are still in uncharted water s. host: we have carol caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. thank you for c-span. i wanted to talk about here in texas, some of the campaigns that are running into one of them in particular is beto o'rourke. i wanted to hear your thoughts

on how you think he is going to do against greg abbott. i see the local media being very biased toward greg abbott. of course, everybody knows we had the shooting in uvalde, we had the same thing happened five years ago in santa fe. this is not something we haven't seen before. i think a lot of republicans -- i have talked to a lot of republicans in texas who are switching to go with vito -- beto because they have seen this before with governor greg abbott. nothing has changed, nothing is done. the only other thing i wanted to say is, and we have seen this before, where people have gone up and started hating the federal government, hit the government and rhetoric coming out of my own republicans.

the government and after what has happened with the search warrant, we have seen this before. it leads to things that have been like in clinton's terms for you had the attack on the federal building. so i hope everybody tones down the rhetoric and we talk about real things. host: some quick thoughts. guest: texas is an interesting race, texas has been changing politically. latinos in texas are actually a little more conservative, because texas has attracted a lot of business. so businesses and voters have a more liberal state, that makes the environment become a little more possible for democrats. beto o'rourke has narrowed the gap. with uvalde and the power grid

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748-8001, independence is (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003. you can find us on twitter at c-spanwj and on instagram at c-spanwj, let us get to some of your calls. on the democratic line, dale in birmingham, alabama. good morning. caller: good morning. i was just calling to say, i am very much supporting the way the world is going today. i do trust the democrats more than the republicans on the law & order, i really do appreciate democrats. but they did in florida was in

the interest of matter -- national security. i do not care if it was barack obama. if they do wrong, they do wrong. let us step back and look at the issue, rather than us being a republican or democrat. we need to show love for each one. i have white neighbors that i truly love. i would go to bat for them if they were right. the same way i would do if it was the black people. if they were doing right, i would be at that for them. i am a person that wants to do with what is right or wrong, and republicans in their heart no --know that what trump did was wrong. it was wrong for him to take the papers away from the building. all the republicans know and

president trump knew that obama did not do that. host: the next caller is edward in keyport, new jersey on the independent line. caller: thank you. good morning. i am going to have to go with the democrats on this one. they at least want to try something different. we have already locked everybody up, play that out. 3 million people in jail and we still have the situation. i want to ask anybody if they have a number, if they think 10 million people in prison will solve the crime issue. as far as the document issue, that is just a trump set up. i think he wants to dehumanize the fbi, the typical fascist play. the very people who will be fighting the insurgency are going to be the fbi. the federal agents. they want to create his people

as an m&a, demonize them -- enemy, demonize them. domestic terrorists. look up your history and find out what was going on -- not the characters of hitler's and mussolini, way to look up the social interaction of the people in those situations, it and how they were duped into doing the things they did. typical fascist playbook. i'm going to trust the democrats all the way, hopefully they can stand and deliver and move us to the 21st century. in k. -- thank you. host: next from arizona his mark on the republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i think i trust the republicans more than i did the democrats for what seems to be obvious reasons.

you look at what the democrats have done to president trump since he became president and all of the investigations and the effort to run him down, because they do not like him. i voted for president trump because he was a politician that -- not like the normal politicians. he was able to be more dynamic and more real, down-to-earth and more real, down-to-earth in the way he would talk to be will. i think republicans do better on law & order, although they have their own baggage and always have, along with the democrats. when you talk about looking at the socialist, fascist regimes

of nazi germany and around the world, they have all been socialist. when people come talking about the republicans is fascist, i think they need to look at the socialist. host: next, we have stand in new york on the democrat line. caller: the bottom line is, i do not trust either party. there has to be a needed to talk to each other and come up with a common solution. it brings back memories when i was trying to do a phd. one of the things they came away with was this is three institutions. family, religion, education. they are in sync with each other , things on the bouquet. that has not been the case. -- things will be ok.

that has not been the case. crisis points and that conversation about the book they wrote, about how to work together to come up with a common solution. it would be nice if we could make it nonpolitical and just try to come up with a solution that makes sense. you do not need to keep everybody in prison, because that does not necessarily solve everything area the same token, you need to be able to analyze who should be in prison and who should not be in prison. thank you very much love c-span. you are the greatest thing on the face of the earth. host: maxine from michigan is on the independent line. caller: good morning, c-span. i put my confidence, if i had any, in the republicans. my problem with the crime is our punishment. we need to bring back the

electric chair, hanging and gas chamber. this socialist idea of just a perk and the arm is ridiculous. however, you had a caller from birmingham, alabama earlier who seems to put her trust in the fbi. i have a jaundiced eye when it comes to the fbi, i would like to ask her question. what did martin luther king ever do that the fbi handed him till the day he started marching? they recorded every phone call he ever made. as far as i am concerned, you have to look at the roots of the fbi. it started with corruption with j edgar hoover, who used his power to control jfk and every other president. the problem is they could not control trump, that is where they are having their problems.

the fbi is as corrupt today as it was when it began. it is music to my ears when they say the -- defunded the fbi. it is useless and a danger to the country. thank you, hope you'll have a great day. host: the next caller is timothy and ohio, on the republican line. caller: good morning. first of all, i think president trump has done a fine job with all of the battles he has had to fight. i respect the first lady her speech i watched on television the other day. i realize something. that man has been ripped up one side and down the other for trying to bring the world back to americans. it is a hard job to go back through all the presidencies and everything. that is part of the reason why he took document to secure them,

because he knew they'd be safe at his home. whatever else is going on, i have no political involvement. as i see things now, i am going to steer toward the republican party. if mr. trump runs again, i will vote for him. i am annexing at states marine, as far as i'm concerned, i think the problem with the police department should be taken straight to joint chiefs of staff and the police department should report to them. one of their advisors with them that they trust highly, the united states air force, the marines in the army on land. you have got the coast guard. you have got specialty army personnel. i am -- i think everything should be taken back to military jurisdiction temporarily and

cattle cars she took a people that because of trouble, go to d.c. indents to the supreme court. -- and answer to the supreme court. host: we are talking about what party you trust more on law & order issues. for republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats (202) 748-8000. independence -- independents (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003 and find us on twitter at c-spanwj and instagram at c-spanwj. tim is on the democratic line. if i remember, the pronunciation is reading, pennsylvania. caller: you are correct. a little bit of a pennsylvania dutch community.

host: go ahead. caller: my comment is, i do not know how anybody can trust the republican party when all of the republican senators let to impeachment slide, they let a president commit crimes and then okayed it. that sent a signal to the rest of the world that this guy can force a president to accept his bribe or is forcing -- he was impeached because he tried to extort information, false information. he wanted zelenskyy to lie for him for his own gain. used his high office for his own personal gain. he has an oath of office to keep. the former president committed a serious crime, and his republik and colleagues let him off the hook. i do know how they can solve

that call themselves law and order president. he committed a crime, his big live, inciting a ride on the capital. they let that slide. how they call that law & order is beyond me. also, the crimes he committed while in office over the pandemic. he lied to us, that was a crime. it was a moral to lie to us. he had a phone call from the president of china early january 2020, the president of china told president trump it is an airborne pandemic, five times more dangerous than the flu. and president trump never told us that. that is all i have to really say. i can't understand any of these republicans thinking they have law & order. host: the next call is down in tampa, florida on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my

phone call. we have got a situation in tampa, florida that is bad. estate attorney that was not anybody down here. we had riots. police officers and temple were hit with bricks and rocks. they did not prosecute one person. they rioted and burned a chance store, he did not prosecute on that. the crime is going off the wall. host: we are going to take a quick break. coming up the wilson center's robert daly, who discusses china's retaliation after speaker nancy pelosi's visit to taiwan. he will also talk to us about u.s.-china relations after the break. ♪ >> over the past few months, the january 6 committee held a series of hearings revealing the

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>> washington journal continues. host: robert daly has served as director of the kissinger institute on china and the united states at the woodrow wilson center since august 2013. he has also had a lot of academic and foreign service experience on u.s.-china relations entering just this morning. good morning. guest: good to be with you. host: you have been critical of speaker nancy pelosi's recent visit to taiwan. why is that, and has anything happened since she got back that has changed your thoughts about it? guest: there seems to be no reason before speaker pelosi went to taiwan to think her visit was either going to make the people of taiwan safer or stabilize u.s.-china relations, or in any new way advance american interests.

her visit really did not do any of those things. i think it is important for america to support taiwan and signal that support taiwan in various ways, but almost with an eye toward making the people of taiwan safer. if beijing becomes convinced taiwan is drifting away from it such that it will never voluntarily become part of mainland china, beijing is willing to use military means, a blockade or invasion to force taiwan to join. our challenge is to support taiwan, help it defend itself. not to be so provocative that the people of taiwan and up being invaded and swallowed up by china. one part of maintaining that very difficult balance for the past 50 years has been not only deterring china by helping taiwan be militarily strong, but also reassuring china ventolin get it we would look at taiwan

within what we call a one china framework. that means broadly that we accept that if all of the people in the region wanted to reunite and become one china, we would be open to that. the united states has not been reassuring china we are going to use the one china policy, but we have been deliberately provoking china. i think that speaker pelosi's visit falls into that provocative, not constructive category. host: let us take a second, watch a little bit of a speaker pelosi earlier this week talking about her visit, defending her decision to go to taiwan. [video clip] >> our purpose in going to taiwan was to say that we had a strong relationship built on status quo, which we support, which is really important. because they are saying the

taiwan relations act of 1979, at the same time as our change of recognition establish the terms of our relationship, the three u.s.-china joint communicates and six assurances. there is no departure for that. in keeping with that, we will not allow china to isolate taiwan. we have kept taiwan from participating in the world health organization, other things where taiwan can make a very valued contribution. it's to keep them from going there, but they are not keeping us from going to taiwan. so we think their reaction, that was our purpose. to salute the striving democracy. do not take it from me. one of the freest democracies in the world. show our respect for them, for the success of their economy, for the enthusiasm of their young people to embrace

democracy. at others, as well. but the young knowing nothing else except a free taiwan. the pretext was our visit for them to do within normally do, intensify. he did not do it when the senate went under chairman menendez of the foreign relations committee. they just decided to do it this time. host: robert, i wanted to ask for a little bit of reaction. you laid out your concerns about the visit. but speaker pelosi says they do not want it to be construed that china is keeping u.s. diplomats or officials from going to taiwan. she mentioned senators have gone recently, as well. that didn't seem to be as much of an issue. is there any validity in the points she raised in her remarks? guest: there is quite a bit of validity.

everything she said is true and reasonable and so far as it goes. but her trip did not advance any of those interests. as she said, we have senators and congressmen who go to china all of the time. we make this point constantly. china is in no doubt how we feel about supporting taiwan. this morning, a new delegation led by senator ed markey of massachusetts landed in taiwan. they will meet tomorrow the president of taiwan. but nobody in that delegation is second in line after the vice president to the presidency. speaker pelosi is not just any member of congress. that does constitute an escalation when she goes. while what she says was true and i think reasonable, it ignores the specific context. yes, china used her visit as a pretext. the pretext to do what? to cross the median line between

taiwan and the chinese mainland. there are about 100 miles of between taiwan and the mainland. additionally, china ships and planes have been hesitant to cross that line. they now do that. they send missiles over the island of taiwan for the first time, they sent missiles and conducted exercises at six different points around taiwan, demonstrating they can blockade taiwan. all of that happened. they used her visit as a pretext. but we did provide the pretext, so now china has a new posture. a new position in the western pacific. it is going to maintain, which is closer to taiwan, more threatening to the people of taiwan. the next time china chooses to escalate, that is on them, not us, they will escalate based on the new, more forward posture, which will bring them even closer to conflict with taiwan.

what we have to be careful of is, we say we are supporting taiwan. we get on a plane, we go there, we feel good. then we leave, and they are in more danger. is that a good thing to do? we have to be a little careful with the historical record. you heard speaker pelosi talk about taiwan's democracy a lot. taiwan has developed a very vibrant democracy we should support. but in the washington post op-ed she published the day she arrived in taiwan, she said the taiwan relations act of 1979 had committed the united states to supporting taiwan's vibrant democracy. this is misleading at best. in 1979, taiwan was not a democracy. it was a one-party dictatorship and the taiwan's relations act says nothing about democracy. it makes it clear the rationale for the relations act is a peaceful, prosperous east asia is in america's interest, which

remains true. it is one thing to be clear we need to support taiwan's democracy. but if you are going to have a workable foreign policy, if your diplomacy is going to proceed on a rational basis, you have to think not only about your reasons for going to taiwan, you have to think about what china is likely to do in response and ask yourself before the fact whether that is an outcome that you want or not. we appear not to have done that work. we appear only to athletic about with this trip what we were going to tell ourselves we were signaling and whether we felt good about that, not about whether it would bring taiwan that much closer to a conflict or war in which america could be involved. host: we want to get to some of your calls. you can start dialing in with your questions about u.s.-china relations or comments. publican style (202) 748-8001. democrats, your line is (202)

748-8000. independents dial s at (202) 748-8002. you can also text us at (202) 748-8003 or on twitter at http://twitter.com/cspanwj, instagram we are at c-spanwj. before we get to those calls, wanted to ask you. a lot of republicans encourage pelosi's visit, said it was appropriate. they also pushed for language in the america competes act, saying china was the biggest threat to u.s. and u.s. industries. we know that that bill got changed drastically before it was passed in congress. did you agree with that? we did you make of the fact that there are conservatives who really feel like it is

appropriate to take the more forceful approach toward china? guest: sure. china is our greatest long-term strategic challenge. we have to handle it very carefully. democrats and republicans agree about the scope of the challenge from china. this is not a reason simply to insult and provoke china at every opportunity. it is a reason to think carefully about a long-term strategy. i was listening to the previous section of this program, where people are calling in. they have very strong opinions. america is very divided. most of us do not go up in the street to strangers or even neighbors at every possible opportunity and tell them about what we think of them, or where we disagree with their views. we do that to be rude and because they might punches in the nose, or doing so might make it that much more likely they will punches the next time.

think about reactions. if there is a serious issue, you do long-term planning to think about where you want to get in u.s.-china relations. it is not simply you want to remind them every opportunity of the areas in which we think they are a bad actor. this is been the problem. republicans and democrats alike in the united states have justified concerns about china. we have been expressing them regularly in ways that are worrisome to china and that china reacts to. we are not thinking about the action reaction cycle and where we want to get. that has been what is missing, a strategic framework for what is an extremely concerning long-term relationship. especially concerning because china is a nuclear armed country, it is building nuclear forces. the likelihood of coming into conflict with china, especially in the taiwan straight, is going up. this needs to be taken with greater seriousness then we have

taken it with. host: let us go to the phone lines. todd on the republican line from california. go ahead. caller: good morning. i have a comment, i was just wondering. in china, did the political party that is in charge to china , did they send the police over to their political rivals and jail their political rivals in china? guest: the chinese communist party does not really have any political rivals. it is a one-party dictatorship. china is an authoritarian nation , moving in a quite determined way toward totalitarianism. we have one-party with a monopoly of political power, it is headed by a leader who does

not brook any rivals. there is no analogy between american politics and what you have in china, which is a one-party dictatorship. host: next is alex from california on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i had a comment. whether the united states goes to war over taiwan is entirely dependent on the american public. in practical terms, beijing can big hewitt american strategic ambiguity just conducting a poll of the american public and asked them if they are willing to submit to military draft on behalf of taiwan. i think that should clear up very easily nobody wants to go into that kind of fight, i certainly do not. host: your thoughts? guest: this caller makes an absently vital point.

patient does not have to -- absolutely vital point. it makes it very clear washington generally, whether it is congress or the military, policymakers, for the most part think the united states should defend taiwan. but the american people emphatically do not. they do not see a vital national interest such that they should send granddaughters, grandsons to go fight and die to keep taiwan independent as it currently is. most americans do not know the difference between taiwan and thailand and can't find either one on a map. i think that is likely, as the caller suggests, to be determinative. despite that, we can stumble into war that the american people do not want. it has happened numerous times.

if for example china were to say , think an american -- sink and american aircraft carrier, 5000 american lives. the war becomes not about taiwan, but the 5000 american lives. the caller is correct. whether we go to war or not is not always determined by with the american people want. it is determined step-by-step, that we sometimes stumble into violence. that is a concern. host: the next caller is ed in west palm beach, florida on the democratic line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my question relates to your point that china used nancy pelosi's visit as a pretext for advancing or changing their posture. is there a similar parallel that happened during newt gingrich's

visit when he was speaker of the house to taiwan? and what has changed politically to actually make things different? i would look with interest to your response, i will take your response off-line. guest: when newt gingrich went to china when he was speaker of the house in 1997, his party was not in the white house. china saw a separation between a republican act. gingrich's house -- they were very much in opposition to clinton. they wouldn't have been expected to keep gingrich from going to taiwan, where is pelosi's of the same party as president biden. that is one factor, but it is secondary. the real thing that has changed since 1997 is the power dynamics. china is far more powerful than it was then, especially in its region.

it has a larger navy then the united states and it is concentrated in the western pacific. our navy is more powerful, but it is dispersed throughout the world. china has a large coast guard force on the western pacific and has a largely militarized fishing fleet that it can also use. it has missiles based on the chinese mainland that can sink american aircraft carriers. it did not have that before. china is not in any mood to have its eye blackened or lose faith before its own people by having american speakers of the house visit. the main answer to the question is, the power dynamics have shifted. host: we are taking your calls and questions for robert daly of the kissinger institute on u.s.-china relations as well as speaker nancy pelosi's recent trip to taiwan. the number to call for republicans is (202) 748-8001. democrats dial (202) 748-8000.

independents, your line is (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003. please include your name and where you live. you can find us on twitter @cspanwj, on facebook and on instagram @cspanwj. let us take another call. on the line is laura on the independent line in texas. caller: i think probably pelosi's reasons were totally personal, like most of the things she does. even in politics or personal. i think first, she probably had two reasons. one thing i think she is looking at when the republicans come in in november, they are going to do an article 25. when they do that article 25 on

biden, she is going to be second in line for president. if she can do something, she could even be president. i do not think she has cared about anybody but herself. if not vice president, she could be president. after all of the scandals she has had with her husband, her son -- anyway, all of the scandals she has had, she is trying to divert that and because something else. i think it had nothing to do with what was good for the united states. she was thinking how she could get above some of her own problem. host: robert, your thoughts? guest: if the republicans get control of the house and the

election, she will no longer be speaker of the house. she will be the minority leader. as the minority leader, she will no longer be in the line of succession to the presidency. there is a structural flaw in your argument. if republicans come in, she is no longer in the succession, she is the minority leader. host: let us take a call from connie on the republican line in maryland. caller: hi there. first of all, i would like to say i do not even feel that pelosi should be in the position she is in. she does not deserve to be speaker of the house. number one reason is how she disrespected the president, ripping up his speech for the world to see. how disrespectful. i do not trust her judgment on a lot of things. something else is very disturbing to me -- and she does not held accountable for that.

accountability in this country, there is not accountability anymore like there should be for all walks of life. there is no one that should be above the law. it is just very, very disturbing to the american people to see this happening. we have to have consequences, regardless of who you are. we teach that to our children. there has got to be consequences to things. these people are acting like big babies. they need to do what is for the good of the country. i do not like china is buying up our farmland and is close to our basis. what is that about? we need to wake up as americans. the number one thing the government is supposed to do is protect our borders, number one. they are not even doing that. they are in all of our other business, which they shouldn't be. they need to take care of our country first.

with her disrespecting her president, she should not have that position. host: robert, can you respond? we have read a lot of colors bring up the fact china is buying up u.s. land and trying to have a presence in america. can you talk more about that? guest: china is not buying up american farmland. it is importing a large amount of american farm goods. it is a major market for american soybeans, corn, wheat. this has helped with the economy of the american department. there importing commodities the american midwestern states depend on exporting. so it is not correct to say they are buying up land. it is true china needs to import a lot of food, energy, raw materials. the united states wants to export those things to china,

which is good for american companies and good for american communities. there is a broad question of whether we want to have -- to continue to have an economic relationship with china, which is one of our largest trading partners. it is the world's biggest middle-class consumer market. it is a market that an awful lot of american companies depend on, or at least are heavily involved with. the question is, do we want to explore ways to continue to have an economic relationship with china on what we see as fair and transparent terms, or do we want to decouple with china and cut ourselves off from 1/5 of humanity and one of the world's largest and most dynamic markets? but selling to china does not mean selling out to china. selling them american soybeans does not mean they are buying up american farmland. host: now we have pat on the democratic line from new york.

caller: good morning. i have two questions. are there any treaties or laws that say we should defend taiwan? number two, was there anything about the semiconductor industry that was involved with nancy pelosi's visit? because of that new law were we are going to start to build semiconductors and taiwan is such a big exporter of semiconductors. guest: the united states does not have a legal or treaty obligation to defend taiwan. president biden has said several times over the past year we made a promise to do that. we did not. the taiwan relations act of 1979 says any attempt by mainland

china to take taiwan by force would be a matter of grave concern, that is the language. a matter of grave concern to the united states. that is not a treaty obligation. taiwan is not a formal ally of the united states. so no, there is no treaty that binds us to defend taiwan. you are correct that the world's number one manufacturer of advanced semiconductor there's is a company located in taiwan. it is extremely important to us for a number of reasons. speaker pelosi, when she was there, met with the leadership of the company. that is not a primary driver, however, of our taiwan policy. china would love to have the technical expertise the company has now, we would like to keep that expertise, those chips, that manufacturing capacity out of china's hands. china is not going to invade

taiwan because of its semiconductor manufacturing capacity. more would that be the primary reason we defended it, if we defended it. taiwanese manufacturers, south korean manufacturers are concerned about the chips act, which just passed, which will provide 52 billion to build more manufacturing plants for semiconductors in the united states. but the market is large, they have a lead. they are keeping an eye on it. this is not going to change their plans dramatically and it may actually have benefits for them. they are extremely complex, they take a long time to come online. in south korea and taiwan, they are producing the chips now. keep and i on it, it is not a trade war kind of threat to these manufacturers. host: next, we have mike from

indiana on the independent line. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: i wanted to ask him one question. when russia moved their troops in, if we'd have stopped buying and selling everything to russia , not even an eraser -- host: we are going to take another call. seymour in new york, republican. you can go ahead. seymour, are you with us? caller: can you hear me? host: go ahead. caller: hello? i just wanted to say we have a

tremendous over dependency on china. many of our goods, which is very dangerous in the event there should be an invasion of taiwan or some other method of controlling taiwan. it could send us into a depression. the world depends on the semiconductors from taiwan. to my understanding, any attack, they would disable the semiconductor plants and not allow china to take them over. also, i was wondering how he felt about allowing taiwan to manufacture their own nukes to protect themselves the way north korea does. it seems to me -- in case they

are attacked. thank you. host: go ahead. guest: if taiwan were known to be developing a nuclear weapon, that would probably be a cause for war. china would move on taiwan before they were able to do that. some countries, notably israel, have developed nuclear weapons in secret. as the caller suggests, that one might see itself as having motives for that as beijing becomes more belligerent and threatening. that is not something the united states would support. we would see that is very destabilizing and very dangerous if taiwan were to develop nuclear weapons. the caller talked about american dependence on chinese manufacturers. this is true, especially in areas like rare earth's. the mineral resources that are involved in the most advanced technologies. most of our medicines and

medical precursors or ibuprofen come from china, we have a big vulnerability in the medical area. things like solar panels, poly silicon. it is not only that we depend on chinese manufacturers, but china has locked up a lot of overseas sources of supplies. especially in the congo, where china controls most of the cobalt and graphite manufacturing. all of which are essential for most advanced technologies. one of the good things the trump administration did was looked at domestic defense supply chain resiliency. kind of a mouthful. but they did the studies on precisely what seymour is talking about. the areas in which we are dependent on foreign and primarily chinese manufacturers for a lot of vital goods. we are trying to address that now. it is very difficult. mining rare earths, which are not rare, they are quite common.

we have enormous potential supplies, as does canada. but mining and refining the products is highly polluting and takes decades to get this capacity online. one of the things that happens is, whenever we try to restart our own rare earth industry, china has a monopoly on supply lowers the price internationally of rare earth and potential investors and american mines in refineries get scared off. it is very difficult. we are making efforts now to revitalize our own rare earth industry, it is not something you can do in five or six years. it involves a long-term commitment. host: we have another caller on the independent line in denver. go ahead. caller: hi. yes ma'am. i do not know if you are aware of this, there is a disabled

homeless woman living on army pods for over a year in homeless shelters. i find it very disturbing we put all this money into all these politicians. how could you leave people -- a homeless, disabled woman on an army cot? i cannot fathom it. host: robert, but i would like you to address is on international relations, there has been a push" as to how much the u.s. extends itself to foreign countries. china or allies like taiwan and things like that. can you address that? guest: the issue is not for the united states is spending a huge amount on foreign aid to other countries when it could be taking care of the home was here. our foreign aid budget is actually extremely small. the looming issue, which i think

the caller's question addresses is how much should we be spending in a new cold war with china on an arms race when we have these problems at home? this is the classic kind of guns and butter decision, which always faces us. during the first cold war, president eisenhower warned about this. he said the bombs and ships we build, each one in a very real way constitutes a threat against americans who do not have the kinds of resources they need here. the department of defense says china is what they call their pacing challenge, meaning our spending, military, development will be driven by what china does. china has the capacity to spend a great deal, they are doing it. they are rapidly building up nuclear capability with hypersonic reentry vehicles and missile silos in the west of

china. this can become the motivation for the american, what eisenhower called the military-industrial complex, to spend, spend, spend on new weapons systems in the name of national security. national security is very important, but people in homeless shelters, the issue the caller was talking about, are also a component of national security. as we face a new arms race, something like a new form of mutual assured destruction, we should have a serious debate about guns and butter, about our priorities for security as a form of social security, domestic security. economic justice the caller is talking about, as opposed to the kind of security we imagine is provided by ever more expensive weapons systems. host: the next caller is elaine in chicago on the democratic line. caller: hi, good morning.

my question is, isn't taiwan eligible to join nato? would they be interested in joining nato if they were eligible? guest: taiwan is not eligible. nato is the nato. after world war ii -- north atlantic treaty organization. after world war ii, it was a european organization primarily aimed at the former soviet union. it still has that character. vital treaty allies like south korea, japan, australia are not members of nato. but they do have alliances with the united states, through which we give them other kinds of protection and they fall under our nuclear umbrella. there is no organization like nato, a mutual defense organization, in asia. again, if taiwan were to attempt

to get that kind of security, this is something else that could cross the beijing redline and cause beijing to either blockade or invade taiwan. taiwan is interested in joining more international organizations , for example the world health organization. beijing generally blocks this at the u.n. and other international form. the u.s. is trying to find more international space for taiwan. this remains a struggle and it is a constant irritant to beijing. we should never -- it is not we should never irritate beijing, we irritate beijing all the time. to come back to the earlier conversation, if we are going to irritate beijing, we have to think about what they will do next. we need a sustainable, long-term strategy. host: this year from brady in north carolina -- let us hear from brady in north carolina on

the republican line. caller: this guy made a mistake you can google. china owns 200,000 acres of american land. thank you. host: final thoughts? guest: they can lease it, and some cases they can buy. the 200,000 acres is really nothing. it is sort of a drop in the bucket. it is not a major national security threat. it would have to be measured against which other countries on land -- own land. it is a bit of a false issue. obviously all american farmland is in the middle of america. if there is need, you can simply reclaim it. host: we have been chatting with robert daly from the wilson center's institute on china and the united states. it is the kissinger institute at

the wilson center. thank you so much for joining us, robert. guest: thank you. host: that will be all for us today. we welcome you to join us tomorrow morning on washington journal at 7:00 a.m. eastern. have a great rest of your sunday. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government funded by these television companies and more, including comcast. >> you think this is just a community center? no, it is way more than that. >> comcast is partnering with 1000 committee centers to create wi-fi enabled systems so students from low-income families can get the tools they need to be ready for anything.

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