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you are following them somewhat closely (202) 748-8001 and if you are not following them at all the cycle (202) 748-8002. you can also to send us a texas morning at (202) 748-8003 if you do, please include your name and where you are calling from. otherwise catch up with us on social media. it thursday morning to you. you can start calling in now. the senate is and at 10:00 a.m. they are not back until next tuesday evening on capitol hill. on the other end of pennsylvania avenue president biden holding an event to discuss the latest covid-19 vaccine early this afternoon and then this evening, president biden is headed to an event in maryland focusing on election 22 campaign.

want to get a sense of your enthusiasm. how closely are you following the midterm elections if gallup poll he has anything to say about it they believe american'' intensity is running high before the midterms. that is the headline on their latest poll. americans giving more thought to november's elections for congress than usual at this stage of the campaign. they are expressing above average enthusiasm about voting and placing unusually high importance on certain issues including the economy and gun policy and abortion in determining their vote for congress. a lot of americans have given a lot of thought. 50% of americans are more enthusiastic than usual about voting this year. that is some of the findings from the latest gallup survey. we will dive more into that survey as we go through the first hour of the "washington journal".

to give you a sense of some of the discussions on capitol hill about campaign 2022, 60 days away at this point but we want to hear from you. what issues are driving your vote? phylis is up first. are you with us this morning? caller: yes. host: go ahead. caller: i am following very closely because i want to make sure women have the right to have an abortion. that is one of the main things that is driving me. host: would you say that this midterm election, you are more interested than last elections? when was the last time you were this excited about an election? caller: i am always interested in i would follow the political news. i guess the last time was when barack obama first ran but i am

always interested. i am 73 years old, i keep what -- up with what is going on. i know there are times when my parents couldn't vote. i could always vote, i am always voting. i always go out and vote. host: that was new york city. ocala, florida, caller your next. caller: i never got a chance to talk to you very much. i just want to say that the cdc does an excellent job on getting the grants available for practitioners in the state of florida as well as the rest of the states. that is not my criticism. they have excellent grants available to the cdc for practitioners. we can't get them approved. host: back to the question we

are asking viewers this morning and your level of enthusiasm. you called in on the line for those interested in the election. appleton wisconsin, good morning. caller: good morning. i am extremely interested. we are afraid we are going to lose our democracy. i used pay republican because i believe in basic conservatism but the last time i went to a caucus i was living in minnesota. there was a bunch of people who came in and they voted no abortion for any reason, no school nurses or any medical in a school they might give out birth control information, gay people have no rights at all and

that is when i left the republican party. because i think we are getting starting to get like the taliban. i am 81 years old and i have always been interested in politics, more active in the republican party than the democratic party but things are changing. like i said, i can remember when i went to college you could either charge it to your charge card and go to mexico, go to minneapolis and have a back alley abortion or if you were very rich you could go to another country. but women were dying because of it. but it is worse now than at was before 73. i hope we keep our country and i hope you vote democrat this year, no matter what party you are from. thank you. host: a couple ofcallers

already calling in on the abortion issue. they say they are following their midterm elections. this is a gallup poll we refer to earlier taking a look at the importance of various issues among democrats abortion one of the top three issues that they are most interested in this cycle along with gun policy and climate change. again the most level of interest . among conservatives gun policy, immigration and the economy is where the interest level crosses over. yukon, oklahoma a state that has two senate elections the cycle, good morning. caller: this will probably come as a shock to the listeners around the country but i think

maybe kendra horn might have a shot. she is running against markwayne mullin who is a right-wing sometimes and i think sometimes oklahoma, i'm just hoping and praying. inky. host: that is the seat that opened up after james inhofe left. when is the last time that you felt confident about a democrat winning statewide in oklahoma now? caller: it must've been in the 70's or early 80's. it's been a really long time. host: the other senate election running for reelection in his seat and his standard six your term again jim inhofe announcing his retirement after he was elected in 2020. therefore the 2022 election there are still four years left on his seat.

caller: thank you for taking my call. i follow very closely because i know my mom and dad had to pay five dollars to vote. that was in the 50's, the early 50's they had to pay to vote. before then, you couldn't vote. that's why i follow closely. thank you for taking my call. host: bernie why would you say following somewhat closely? what interests you and what doesn't? caller: stacey abrams was running for governor in georgia. a lot of looking for a lot of sensible voters to come out and

liz cheney standing up for democracy in the hopes that republican and democrats see that we are all americans and that we need smart leadership. people thinking about each other and hopefully people have the drive and understanding that we spend a lot of money on wars and how can you get upset when president biden wants to spend money on us, on our infrastructure on things we need here in america? i'm just hoping that people come out sensible and not in hate. i hope they want something for their fellow americans. host: you mentioned spending money on wars finding out this morning that antony blinken in kyiv unveiling that military aid

on an unannounced trip in ukraine your thoughts on spending when it comes to the war in ukraine. caller: my thinking is to have an alliance of good countries to go in and stop wars that come against any country that is a bad war. in other words they have no reason to kill people in ukraine and try to destroy the country. not every country should be against russia to stop the war and shall rush that look we are going to make things hard for you period. it makes it seem like i don't know maybe i am getting too much u.s. television but it seems like we are the country and a lead all the time that has to

put up the majority of the money and it seems like, you know, it is not a just war. strong countries it should band together and say we are not going to have this. we are here a good 20 years and then we become adults around 20 years old. then we only have another 60 years left of our life, may be. what are we doing? i don't understand host:. that was burning out of florida. a little bit more on the $2 billion for ukraine but also the money going to allies in the region. the story on the unannounced trip and a meeting with senior ukraine officials the biden administration had notified congress of the intent to

provide $2 billion in long-term military financing to both ukraine and 18 of its neighbors including nato security partners that are most at risk of future russian aggression pending the congressional approval about one billion will go to ukraine and the rest will be divided among albania, bulgaria, croatia, czech republic, lucky a, lithuania, montenegro, poland, romania, according to the state department from the associated press this morning. back to your phone calls. getting a sense of your level of enthusiasm for the midterm elections. how closely are you following it? we are a few months of -- two months out. caller: good morning. my only hope is nothing less than elizabeth warren for president. she knows the rules, she has

taught law, she is a great woman, fighter. i read all of her books. the original one that she started out with, and what she did for the one company in san francisco. we have too much waste. host: we have two years two months before a presidential election. what do you think happens to democrat prospects for the presidential electric -- election here they can hold the senate in 2022? caller: i think we need more people from the republican in the senate to battle bills. right now the democrats pretty much of cart block they can do just about anything they want.

it's not proving out to be ro great to tell you the truth. i am seven months from being 90 years old. i watched this and i think we need a woman in the presidency. to change this whole operation. they did it in england twice. germany did it but she got voted out. i thought she was a great president. the first thing she did is get me to a lab. that woman knows what happened. host: we are focusing on the midterm elections before we jump ahead to the 2024. here are the ratings from the ratings group insight elections with david gonzales. democrats have control right now about 50-50 senate because they

have the vice president to break ties in the senate. the current projection from insight elections is republicans perhaps picking up one seat, the ratings couldn't be closer when it comes to the senate peered the house ratings, republicans have an advantage according to ratings groups. inside of election study democrats have 221-214 majority. that means five seats for the majority right now it has republicans gaining 12-30 seats. that is according to insight elections.com. that is available for you to see on their website. this is michael in washington. following the midterms very closely. caller: yes, hello. i was calling to say i'm watching very closely and i have been watching since 72 since i

could vote. and i mostly am democratic but sometimes republican. but i think coming from a republican father and my mother being democrat it's scary to see what is happening to losing democracy in this country. since my dad fought in three wars i wanted to be one to fight for democracy. host: we have been taking your calls asking for your level of enthusiasm, how closely you are following the midterms. every member of congress follows these every midterm very closely. yesterday on capitol hill the senate back at work. it was the weekly party lunches that happened earlier this week,

senators continuing to comment about the midterm elections yesterday on capitol hill. this is at the republican conference chair. [video clip] >> last week president biden gave a political speech flanked by marines. and then he'd lied to the american people and said it was a policy speech. it would've been a policy speech, he might have talked about some things keeping americans awake at night as they worry about their future and their families futures. he didn't say anything about prices, inflation, gas, the border, crime, the cartels, fentanyl, our debt. the president shut his eyes to the pain he has caused the american people and then he looks down his nose at tens of millions of americans who go to work and pay their taxes. they are being hurt by an economy that the president

himself has undermined. i had a chance to visit the wyoming food bank this last couple of weeks. food banks across the country are really getting hurt by increasing demand. the demands are so high because people are falling further and further behind. people are struggling to pay their bills, to keep up, to make ends meet. people had to cut back on lots of things in their lives. they had to cut back on school supplies, back-to-school clothing for their kids. they feel pain every time they go to the gas station or grocery store. the kitchen table is not full of food it's full of a stack of bills and an empty checkbook. food prices in the last year are up 13% across the united states. that is the fastest increase since 1979.

we are talking about food that people need every day, milk, eggs, meat, fruit, vegetables. for 16 months in a row now. prices have gone up faster than pay and that is why people are falling further behind and they feel stuck and pleased and stressed. republicans want to get the prices down. the way to do it is unleashing american energy, cutting washington red tape and stopping this reckless washington spending. host: republican congressman after the party lunches. democrats holding their own yesterday. chuck schumer speaking to reporters afterwards. [video clip] >> democrats are excited. we feel we have strength, momentum, my caucus did incredible work back in their home states promoting a slew of major bills that we passed.

when you pass good legislation you get good results. it's been a long time since the american people felt that washington is capable of doing big things, to me big challenges and to meet big needs. we took on big pharma, oil interests, and why we are on track to cut carbon emissions by 40%, 40% by 2030. it's why we took on the nra and beat them by passing the first gun safety law in decades. across the country, our members have been talking about the benefits of the chips and science act. and of course the inflation reduction act which became law last month. americans are already seeing the benefits from these accomplishments. the new laws are creating new investments, new jobs, new opportunities for american families and their communities. it has allowed america to pipit in the industries of tomorrow

and lead the world as opposed to lagging. so many americans were worried we would. so already, a host of companies have announced major investments that will help grow our country into the future, jobs are here in america, not jobs overseas. jobs and industries that have great features that are not looking backward at the past. host: senate majority leader chuck schumer comments from democrats and republicans showing their messages ahead of the 2022 midterms now just 60 days away. getting a sense from our viewers how closely you are following the campaign. this is larry in north carolina for those not following much at all. why is that? caller: mainly because i'm listening to both sides hoodwink

the american people. i cannot believe that 5/6 of the media is against conservative values. when you are constantly being barraged with that scenario, people have already made up your minds. i made up my mind of who i'm going to vote for and there's no sense stressing over it. host: who are you going to vote for if you don't mind sharing? caller: basically i do have some for democrat votes that are judges in the north carolina area that i'm going to vote or but for the most part in the major positions i'm going to go republican. i'm an independent. host: when was the last election that you did feel more enthusiastic about that was not overblown by the media?

caller: i would have to say that would have been, well, when i don't pay attention to a lot of the major networks and make my own opinion on local station radio stations that i this into i feel more comfortable as opposed to hearing the hoodwinked points which seem to come out of the parties. mostly the democrat party. host: from the washington times today speaking to some of your point joseph curl with his column the spin begins. welcome to the 2022 midterm going through some of the arguments that you are hearing in the media he ended his economy by quoting james carollo

in 1982. despite the predictions so he said the election will be close. the economy will be the key issue. his column today is at the washington times. this is linda also in wilmington, good morning. caller: hello. host: go ahead, linda. caller: think you for taking my call. so, i'm really scared about 2022 because it's really important for women to be able to govern their own bodies and their own lives roe v. wade through us back 50 years.

it's not just bodily autonomy but it is also the democracy because we are removing a choice. people are deciding for us. it's not just about reproductive issues. it spans quite a few issues, so i really worry what's going to happen in 2022. we need to keep the house in the senate so we can pass the women's equality act look what they are doing to voters. they are suppressing in all kinds of ways.

the gerrymandering that is going on and the judges that have allowed what they know are wrongful maps to continue. host: a few comments from viewers watching and following on twitter. elections are becoming more important every cycle. there is so much that needs to be fixed. we can start every eligible voter participate. pamela says i pay attention to every election as everyone should. midterms and local elections are the most important in my opinion do your homework. host: i am following the midterm elections and the party that is not in power does better than

the party that is in power. it looks like women are coming out to get the rights back in 2022. to the history of the party out of power, the power -- party not controlling the white house. go back to the story in the washington times. he goes through some of the history on that. the party of the house almost always loses congressional seats while ronald reagan lost 26 donald trump lost 40 bill clinton lost 52 barack obama lost 63. george w. bush's act up seats and in north carolina asheboro, you are next. go ahead. caller: i'm glad to see my

staple represented. i'm paying attention because i am a poll worker. we start early voting in october. on october 20. i'm a democrat and it always interests me when people come in and ask how i know my vote counts and my response is always if you want to know call your portable elections sign up for the training, take the training, and work one election cycle and you will never ask that question again. host: how many cycles have you been working? caller: i have been working

since probably since 2020. host: why did you start doing it? what was your reason to volunteer caller: i look at it like a lot of other things paying your dues, being a citizen of a country that is democratic i spent four years in the army i've done jury duty and i work at the polls. these are things that the average everyday citizen should

realize he has a responsibility to do. it's part of paying the price of living in a free country. host: what do your days look like from october 20 to november 8? how many hours a day are you there working at the polls? caller: early voting works about six hours. host: and election day for you? caller: it's a long day. 5:00 in the morning to probably about 8:00 in the evening. maybe nine:00. the procedures in the polling place are really strict every valid that goes in has to be accounted for that's what i was

saying people need to go work at the pole. there is no voter fraud. maybe one or two that will get by somehow but they get caught. they absolutely will get caught. when you go to vote in north carolina, you get what is called an authorization to vote. it has your name on it, if you try to vote the second time you will get an atv and if to show up with the same name on it someone's going to jail. host: thank you for telling us about volunteering at the polls. it is just after 7:30 on the east coast. about a half hour left in the first segment of the "washington journal" and we are asking you how closely are you following

the midterms? we are 60's a's -- 60 days out. caller: i have been watching very closely. it's been really interesting to watch how this red wave year turned into a red puddle. the republicans lost alaska's seat, i think they lost new york 19th district. here in washington, we have extremists joe kent running against a great democrat. if republicans take the house, they are going to be putting out bills that ban abortion nationwide.

so it's important to make sure that these extremists don't get into office. host: sounds like you are a democrat. do you think democrats can hold the house? that would be at least according to the groups that do the predictions that is a problem for democrats right now. they may have a slight advantage to hold the senate but the house much further reach for democrats at least according to those polls. caller: what i think is going to happen is we are going to keep the senate which is the most important so we can get good justice through. we are going to lose the house by 15, 20, maybe and that by the

2024 hits we will take the house because america will see how these extremists will put four -- forward bills that are going to have hearings on hunter biden they will probably try to impeach a body and -- biden because of retaliation for trump. the american public will see how crazy they are. so we will have two crazy years with the republican-controlled house and then it will all come back to the democrats. host: st. petersburg florida, what is your prediction? caller: i don't have any predictions. i really don't follow the midterm elections at all.

it's just more of the same blabber. much more of the same. they will tell you anything to get a vote. what i do follow closely is college football and i am so pleased that ohio state slipped down a notch and georgia is the number two football team in the nation. host: robert one was the last time and election was more important in college football in your mind? caller: oh gosh, ever since i started college at the university of georgia so probably 1961i guess. i do vote in local elections. although i'm calling from florida we are here to do a little spruce apart on the condo i am a north carolina resident and i do vote in the local elections. i have acquaintances on the city

council. small town, everybody knows everybody. you can see your friends and neighbors at the local diner almost every morning. i even serve an advisory committee to the city council. they have several advisory committees, committee for the library, beautification and they even have a tree unification beautification committee. so i do vote but my main interest is local elections. host: what about state elections? caller: i actually am a resident of north carolina. i am aware of stacey abrams and, i don't know how to say about so much of it seems to be based upon race and i think that's kind of a shame.

i was born and raised in georgia. that was 40 years ago. i did go back to georgia for a high school reunion. i went to a southern high school . i try to read the atlanta journal-constitution occasional y. to me, as i said the politicians on the national stage, they will basically tell you anything without any regard to what is happening at that goes for both of them. it really does. the whole thing, it's just a bunch of silliness. >> thanks for the call. how are the bulldogs going to finish this year? caller: they are going to go all the way. there were national championship last year.

there are going to be to playing for the championship just like lester. everybody else other than the acc, the big ten, the big 12 they are just ram teams. host: thanks for the call. we will try to bring a back to the midterm elections. susan in that peach state back in georgia, good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling because i watch very closely because i love our governor brian kemp. i think he has done an excellent job and i hope he gets reelected. our local politicians, they are spot on. i am a republican, i am a moderate republican and i am pro-choice.

i think the abortion thing being thrown in right now, roe v. wade should have been left alone. host: i do you think the rematch between kemp and abrams is going? caller: i'm hoping that kemp wins because i stacey abrams gets a lot of money from hollywood and there is a lot of people from other places just giving money to her. she's got a thing going on where i think she wanted to be vice president and i wish she would have been vice president to get her out of our state. host: we will head to indiana this is david, good morning. how closely are you paying attention to the midterms this year? caller: good morning, somewhat closely. i pay attention to the senate

race in pennsylvania. federman and dr. oz. i am give my opinion on what i think is going on there. federman almost had -- had a stroke and almost died. i wish him a speedy recovery. if you watched any of the news clips he can't put together two or three sentences. has liberalism, i think he is like bernie sanders and he will not debate due to his health conditions. i guess my over impression of it is if you can come out to stand in front of your opposing candidate for a. of time whether it be a half-hour, our or whatever the designated time may be.

how can you possibly stand in the u.s. senate which is about 75% speaking? host: the news yesterday from politico and this is yesterday evening john fetterman said he is committed to attending one debate in pennsylvania. his campaign still discussing accommodations for his auditory processing problem. dr. oz has amped up his pressure. it looks like there will be at least one. caller: one would be fine. he was supposed to have a debate a couple of days ago and canceled it. we will wait and see on that. one more thing about the other race i have been watching his people from georgia and north

carolina, kemp and stacey abrams and the lady was absolutely on the mark about the money coming from hollywood. i just, going back to federman --fetterman the governor of pennsylvania will put in a temporary senator. thank you for the time you guys do a great job as always. host: we showed that one op-ed from with washington times. ross baker and his assessment of some of the republican candidates running for senate the cycle the headline of this is the republican is the republican party not able to

regain control blaine trump. herschel walker in georgia and menopause in pennsylvania. this is how he ends his comments. senate republicans emerge weaker than they are now. this must be laid at the feet of donald trump whose criteria for supporting candidates depends on their loyalty to him. today's usa today. this is daniel good morning. caller: good morning, john. it is an honor to speak with you, sir. i have to first address the caller before me saying something about candidates not wanting to debate for various reasons. eidson remind him that donald trump is refusing to participate

in any of the conventional debates that might happen in 2024 so, anyway i never followed up midterm election any closely than this one. generally this would be a referendum. i want to think you guys for helping to spill the brainwashing that goes on in this country. i think you a couple of years ago for may be saving the democracy with this program and the defeated trump at that time. hopefully you will make such difference in this election as well. host: a referendum on trumpism as you describe it, 2018 the midterm after trump selection. you weren't as interested in that being a referendum on trip is him -- on trumpism after two years of donald trump?

caller: i had a lot of personal problems and i wasn't paying too much attention. i was trying not to get wrapped up in politics but i regained a lot of my health and became more political and financially aware of things. you just cannot -- connect the dots and follow the money. i'm just, i've started being politically aware than was affected by the reagan recessions and i saw the clinton s soil the presidency the second term. putting that into context with what has been happening the previous administration, it's sad. i just wanted to point out people, their sources of

information need to be buried. you just can't watch facts -- fox news, 11 america, your local stations that are owned by gray media and sinclair and neck start. they are all biased and they are all nuanced you are a political junkie you will detect it. at one point, i noticed my two fox channels here are my dish channel were four or five decibels higher. i thought how can this be? actually bought a sound meter and verified there were two channels that were 3, 4, five decibels higher. little things like this happen in our new sources. they are all biased but you have to realize who is more biased.

host: sources of news this from inside the beltway in washington times. on the question of voter enthusiasm, here is what she wrote citing a yahoo! news survey of some 1600 u.s. adults 33% say they are paying a lot of attention to the upcoming midterm elections. that is 40% of republicans, 29% of independents and the rest of my credit. you are talking about 58% of those who watch msnbc and 44% of those who watch fox news and 31% of those who watch cnn say they are paying a lot of attention to the upcoming midterm election. 17% are not paying attention at all. 20% of independents, 11% of democrats.

some of the sets from that yahoo! news survey would. how closely are you following the midterms elections? just a few days out from election day. newark, ohio. caller: thanks for taking my call. i was a democrat for 38 years and i want to tell you people you're living in the matrix. i lived with reagan as a democrat. he warned us. our rights could be lost in one generation. that generation is now and power being led by a godless compromised criminal, joe biden who will give iran the ability to become a nuclear power per obama's wishes.

we must take back the house on the senate or we are going to lose this country. thank you. host: you may want to stick around until 9 a.m. eastern we will be talking more about iran and the nuclear capabilities. focusing on the latest when it comes to iran nuclear deal. you have about an hour 10 minutes from now. this is ellen, new hampshire, go ahead. >> i wish that they would get the money out of politics. i can't see that that has sent any good at all. there was a woman here, her name was granny d. she was over 90 years old.

to try to get the money out of politics and the roberts court just assured it in. i think politics would be a lot less fraud i think in america we only get the news coverage that is preaching to the converted. so i watch the german news. i watch the japanese news. i watch the british news and i watch when they are reaching to convert it. the media in this country is telling us very little about the climate which to me is the biggest issue. snow is coming pretty soon.

and this summer has been tough. i grew up in north dakota and i know winters can be much tougher than any summer. but having the money in politics is a corrupting influence. host: do you read the concorde monitor up there? caller: i don't. i don't live in concord however i keep abreast of things in the monitor, yes. host: she died back in 2010 on the 10 year anniversary of her death a story from the concorde monitor remembering the life and mission of granny d. there is a picture there the story noting that those who knew her well she was doris but for people around the country captivated to advocate for campaign finance reform.

she began her walk on new year's day at the age of 88. there was finance reform something she felt so strongly about that she needed to make a bold statement. the story noting that to have an open democracy we should not speak to abolish what has been our dear united states. it should be a government for the people. people may use the government and service to each other's needs and to protect the condition of our earth. quoting granny d there in a story 10 years after her death. audrey, lexington, kentucky. >> i was just like you say get out and vote. do not pick vote against your

best interest. don't -- vote, vote, vote. we need to vote. goodbye and have a listing. host: just after 10 minutes left in this segment of the "washington journal". in terms of one of those who was voted into office and -- into the highest position of the land. barack obama was back at the white house for the unveiling of his portrait and previous first lady michelle obama. these portraits as [no audio]

for capturing everything i love about michelle. host: you can watch the entire ceremony on our website c-span.org. we covered it yesterday. the remarks by the former first lady, by the former president again c-span.org it where you can go. we are asking how closely you are following the midterm election. this is pedro in virginia. good morning. caller: thanks for letting me in. you know, do you have any questions about why i am not paying attention? i was realizing why i was watching you this morning when we called and back in the 90's we were supposed to bring an article from a paper. i don't remember if that was

every morning or if it was just on fridays. that would be good to bring back. host: what did you read today that interested you? caller: things have changed a little bit and i don't read the paper first thing in the morning and i don't have so i got caught i don't have an article but it was always embarrassing if you didn't have one. husker we try not to embarrass people but i love that idea. you're not interested in the midterms? why? caller: it's a lot of mess. i don't watch the left or right cable shows. i get all my news from the web. even then you have to really filter it. for example you mentioned there is a show coming on i guess in the next slot that is about the nuclear deal. why is it the nuclear deal?

maybe we should talk about being better and instead of picking sides and making iran the villain and israel the angel i mean it's the same thing we are doing with russia. we are meddling in this thing we are not even allowed to say it. pretty soon it will be illegal to say i support russia. i am not saying that the christians in ukraine should be killed but by arming a weak nation you are getting those people killed. this is a completely corrupt system. this thing with iran is completely controlled by israel. israel runs our foreign policy and it needs to stop. everybody knows because you are not allowed to say it because you get deplatformed. host: that's pedro. this is tina in powder springs, georgia. good morning.

tina, are you with us? caller: oh my gosh, very closely. every research i can do on my own i am looking at who is running for office and making sure they have a right -- we have the right people. i just wish politicians would stop the arguing and bickering and one in the state of the country. it has turned into a battle of who can be the meanest, who can say the worst thing, there is no press form. they are not to have anything about what is good for people and we got to go back to politics looking out for the people versus fighting each other, throwing terrible

comments about one another. it has almost turned into an elementary school class. these are not adults at all. we do need to pay attention. has anybody that has excused your separation? they have no platform, they have no business in politics. i remember growing up remembering you will return to the same spot you came from. wake up, america. we are going backwards. we need to do what is best for the country and standing skewing hatred against each other we have to do what is best for the country. hopefully, the nation will wake

up. they will see what is happening to us. democracy is being threatened. host: what did you think of president biden's speech last week. there was a lot of discussion about that speech. here's a headline from a poll asking whether he crossed a line , what'd you think of that speech? caller: president biden was simply saying, any individual that wants to separate the country that is against democracy, that threatens fair and free elections, we need to be aware. compared to the previous administration, anything he has said and done is perfectly fine. he didn't say punch people in the face who don't agree with

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continues. host: the thursday roundtable now on the economy and manufacturing. we are joined by the baker and here at the desk is diana furchtgott-roth a current director at the heritage foundation. good morning to you both, thank you for joining us. guest: it is great to be with you. i want to start with the latest jobs report from friday and trying to understand a lot of the numbers in these reports. 350 thousand jobs added in august. a labor participation rate that kicked the, hourly earnings up. this all coming as we are technically in a recession. explain what is going on here? guest: we may not be in a

recession. the first two quarters of the year had negative gdp. we are not yet finished with the third quarter. this quarter may not show a decline in gdp, we may have gdp growth. the important thing is, whether we have qualities of sustainable growth. that is what we need to be focused on rather than these details of whether we are in the recession or not. host: what do you think the most important number from this report is? guest: i was excited about the large number of jobs created. i was also very happy with the labor force participation rate. we are only one point below what we were pre-pandemic. we really need those extra

workers that want to come into the workforce in order to alleviate some of our supply chain problems. host: dean baker, the most important number for you? guest: the increase in labor force participation is a big deal. many people were wondering why people were coming back into the label market. we do two separate surveys, how many jobs did you create in the other goes to household, where are you working? and they often diverge. we are creating jobs but no more people were saying they were working and a lot of us were saying that is weird. that was largely corrected and that is a good story. in terms of where we stand in labor force participation.

we are all getting older. economists tend to look at prime age workers and we are back to where we were before the pandemic. our people the pandemic was higher but we are above the average for 2019. it would be great to see more people enter the labor force. this is a great report. if you just looked at that snapshot, that is 3.7 unemployment, higher labor force participation, good wage growth. it was a really great report. host: by the way, don't be afraid to talk about nerdy stuff. what brought people back to the

labor force participation and how many more workers can be brought back here? dean: i don't think there was a big change in august. i did a blog post on this, the household surveys will show large increases or decreases in participation that don't correspond to the economy. we don't seem to create more jobs in the prior month or the economy doesn't seem to be growing faster. i don't think it is a question that we just saw a lot of people come back in august. it is good news. you have to work with the data you have. i don't think there was a big change in august, for whatever reason, it was underscoring labor participation.

diana: it could be because of the increase of inflation and prices. some of them may feel they need to be back in the workforce. with covid going away, some parents may have felt safe going back into work. that was a big issue for a lot of parents not wanting to have both of them go back. host: inflation is a topic we have talked about for months. are we headed in the right direction and when will we get that next report to tell us where we are? diana: we think inflation is going to show downward progression because the energy prices are a large share of the consumer price index and gasoline prices went down. we are hoping to get good news on the inflation front. people are concerned about what

chairman powell is going to do when he increases the increase in the federal funds rate and most people think he will raise it by .75 basis points will exert more downward pressure on inflation. host: the lead story in the wall street journal, the fed sets the path for another .75 rate increase. the vice chair of the fed signaling that seems to be on the way. dean baker, your comments? dean: they haven't decided yet, obviously they are looking towards another rate hike but they said they would be looking at the data. like her, i think that will be

close to zero. it is possible to be negative because not only are we seeing falling gas prices. we are seeing drops in food prices, beef prices, and the supply chain problems that led inflation earlier this year, those are getting largely resolved. shipping costs are plummeting. the backlog at ports are gone. whether that shows up in august or not, i am not sure. we are going to see that showing up soon. i should mention car production.

it's data for july's shows that we were somewhat above pre-pandemic levels, people realized we had a shortage of autos because of the semi conductor backup. it seems to be getting back online. we are likely to see auto prices falling in coming months. i think we are looking at a situation where a lot of the problems that created inflation are going away. what is the fed going to do? i don't take for granted it will be .75. she is aware that they could go too far too fast. to my view they would be wise to be cautious. we are not in a recession. it is nuts to say we are in a

recession if we are creating 300,000 jobs. host: about 15 minutes in, this is an hour-long discussion as we are talking about the economy, manufacturing. diana furchtgott-roth is our guest from the heritage foundation. former assisting secretary as well as dean baker from the center of economic policy research. it is (202) 748-8000 for democrats, republicans (202) 748-8001 and independents (202) 748-8002. dean baker i want to come back to a comment that you said about problems that cause inflation in the first place. what is the bigger problem that caused inflation in the first place? supply chain issues because of covid, the war in ukraine, or

the amount of money that has been pumped into the u.s. economy because of covid recovery and stimulus. which of those two things were a bigger cause of inflation? dean: if we didn't have the boost to the economy from the packages, there would not have been inflation. that is probably true. on the other hand, if we had the same spending but we did not have the supply chain disruptions, we would have nothing like what we saw. the overwhelming story was the supply chain disruptions. if you look at the rest of the world, england has a higher

inflation rate than we do. if it was just our big stimulus package, that would not explain why they are having comparable inflation in europe and other countries. i think covid and the war in ukraine is the overwhelming part of the story. diana: the fed was saying inflation was transitory of the first quarter of 2021. in the first quarter we were growing at 6% and we had massive additional stimulus. all of that was throwing fuel on the fire and exacerbated the supply chain issues. people were being paid to stay home at the same time employers wanted them back in the workforce. they wanted them to come back but they couldn't find anyone because they were being paid to

stay home by another round of stimulus checks. i think it is clear looking back that we did not need that march 2021 multiple trillion dollar package. the reason there has been inflation all over the world is because there has been great monetary accommodation by the bank of england, as well as the federal reserve. it is not just supply chain. with this positive jobs report has the ability to raise another .75 points so they can go competent to do that and still preserve that soft landing option. i think the first jobs report is more evidence that the phone will raise .75 basis points. host: we have some callers already for you. nelson in hollywood, florida.

caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i have a couple of questions for your guests. i am 73 years old and it is my understanding that the percentage of workers who are in the working age years is the lowest in the history of the country. 64%, and that is one of the reasons why there are so many jobs that are unfilled. i am wondering if this shows a changing philosophy on the part of the upcoming generations are the american public as to the value of work. the philosophy of work is good

beginning to change to we don't have to work at all? host: do you want to take a first stab on that? dean: if we adjust for age, we look at particular age groups, people between 25-35, we are back to pre-pandemic levels of participation. there is no big fallout there. the falloff is baby boomers are aging. more people in their 60's and 70's, they are working in lower numbers. the interesting issue is, people are working later in their lives which could be a good or bad thing. if people are working at jobs they don't like, jobs they might

not want to be at. that is not a good story. on the other hand, i expect to work into my 70's. i like my work. it is not physically demanding. if my health stays good, i should not have any problem working late into my life. the big question to my view is, the demographics are set. the big question is, are they going to be able to work and are they going to want to? if the alternative to retirement is working a job you hate because you need the money, that is not a good story. diana: retirement ages have been

declining ever since the 1900s. nelson, you are asking about the philosophy of work. during the pandemic, medicaid was extended so now able-bodied adults can be on medicaid. they also qualify for other kinds of benefits. there is not the pressure to go out and work and it is the 55-64 age group that has reduced labor force participation. they are not retiring, they decided that they don't want to work anymore. that is a fine decision but many of them have many years of life ahead of them and if they could

be incentivized to go into the workplace and take these jobs it would be good for the economy. host: how do you incentivize that? diana: rollback the medicaid problem. we could be rolling back some of the food stamp and snap programs. we could rollback the enhanced obamacare supplements. host: the incentives keeping them on the sidelines? diana: exactly. caller: the lady from the heritage foundation, she sounds like she is talking about the rich. she didn't talk about the $1 trillion tax cut the republicans gave to the higher earners. she was saying that the stimulus

check is bad. but giving $1 trillion to big oil and the rich and she just said they will cut back benefits. the big oil and rich people said that. she is allocating for 55 and over that are quitting. they are retiring. i don't understand why the bottom tier has a problem with receiving $1 trillion. just give the one trillion to the rich? diana: that is a great question. pre-pandemic a lot of these programs were means tested.

no one is talking about taking them away from people who need them. the question is, if people learn under a certain amount, they need those programs. if they earn over that amount, it is a question of the poor subsidizing them. big oil did not get a trillion dollars and we need more oil development to be able to lower oil and energy prices. energy prices are a far bigger component from low income people. host: do you want to weigh in on the safety net conversation? dean: there is very little

impact on labor force participation, in terms of the unemployment benefits. that was passed when trump was still in the white house. there was an expectation that when those ended you would see a big increase of people going back into the workforce and that was not the case. i think more people were thinking more long-term and people were mindful of the pandemic. a lot of people have health conditions and the idea of going to work where they have to be face-to-face, that was a serious concern for tens of millions of

people when we had the pandemic before access to the vaccine. i don't see much evidence that the reason people are dropping out is because we have this generous welfare state. we have countries with more generous welfare states, germany, denmark and sweden and they have a higher work force participation rates. i don't think that explains why people are not working. diana: we were talking about why labor rates have risen. covid has gone away. people need more money because of inflation. and inflation adjusted incomes are declining. it will be interesting to see the next numbers at the beginning of october and what happens then. host: gary from indiana, and

independent. caller: manufacturing, now you have me started. i want to talk about some guy who was on your program a few years ago. he talked about welfare programs and how they diss incentivize work. mitt romney's company was moved overseas and a good number of people were out of work. they are saying let's not die diss incentivize work but they take away jobs.

dean: this is an interesting question. we devastated our manufacturing workforce through trade in the 1990's and 2000. we lost millions of manufacturing jobs. we devastated the manufacturing workforce and because that was the source of good paying jobs for low educated workers. we lost a huge chunk of the working class. i saw that in the midwest, they

would lose a factory essential to the whole town. we paid and a price. the flipside of that is getting them back will not help that much. manufacturing wage used to pay more. you would get 20% more in manufacturing than other areas of the economy, that is no longer true. that is because unions have disappeared. when we bring back manufacturing jobs, there is no reason to

think that they will be good job. we saw the supply chain problems through the pandemic, i think it makes more sense to have more of the supply chain here in the united states. president biden is doing that. his policies have been focused on bringing manufacturing back to the united states and it is having an impact. host: what are these jobs that are coming back? 22,000 new manufacturing jobs last month. we are looking at 460 1000 new manufacturing jobs in the last 12 months and we are now 67,000 jobs above where we were pre-pandemic. where are these jobs coming from?

dean: they are across-the-board. we had announcements that we had several chip manufacturers are bringing them to the united states. solar panels, it is across a wide range of industries which is a good thing. to my view, that is all fairly good. if they are unionized, great. i think the national security story can be over exaggerated. we don't have to worry about being cut off from canada. host: let me bring in diana furchtgott-roth.

diana: we have major supply chain from china. that is because of the 0% covid policy. our companies here that rely on global trade are having to place their orders far in advance and that is contributing to inflation. when unions raise the prices of wages, many of these companies went offshore. it will be difficult to bring them back. we need to be aware that if we are doing business with china, the possibility of having cut offs, supply chain problems, the government of china interfering with our business and we need to take a strong look at what we are doing and see if we can diversify to other countries are back home. host: when it comes to diverse a

fine, 640,000 jobs last month, where else do we need manufacturing jobs? diana: there are companies all over the country that are looking for help. the united states has been a leader in advanced manufacturing. and technology that has been made in different parts of the world and assembled here in the united states. there is that intricately woven supply chain. the united states as a leader in advanced manufacturing. medical equipment, advanced things that cannot be made well anywhere else. host: president biden touting these job numbers again last year when they came out. this was a part of his statement where he focused on manufacturing. [video clip] >> we are also seeing something

else critical to the backbone of the economy. manufacturing is a roaring back. since i took office, the economy has created 600 68,000 manufacturing jobs. the strongest recovery since the 1950's. just last week we saw major companies solar, nikon announced they will invest tens of billions of dollars expanding manufacturing in america. we saw companies like toyota and honda saying they choose to invest in america. that is not happening by accident. this recovery is a direct result of my economic plan. some people gave up on american manufacturing, not me. made in america is not just a

slogan, it is a reality. i am committed to building an economy from the bottom up in the middle out. host: president biden from friday. you were jotting some notes during his statements. diana: we have created manufacturing jobs but more in professional services and health services. these manufacturing jobs are great but we don't want to be subsidizing companies like solar panel companies, battery companies, chip companies. we need to be focusing on what people in america do. we have been creating jobs across the board. people did not like staying home, they are going out, they are going shopping. host: about 25 minutes left. a topic that always draws a lot

of calls, carl from mississippi, and independent. caller: i was in desert storm 31 years ago. what i saw when bill clinton became president, they started outsourcing jobs for cheaper labor. it did not take me long to see. when they cut the oil supply after we got back, they played a role as well. outsourcing jobs for cheap labor is what put the country into a recession. host: dean baker, do you want to

take this one? dean: this was deliberate policy. that is what nafta was about. you could get much cheaper labor and the developing world than you could in the united states and our manufacturers move their facilities overseas and it devastated large chunks of the working class. we don't have international competition for doctors. we only want international competition for less educated workers and it draws down their wages. that was a really bad story.

is that changing now? i am happy to see those jobs come back but we can't run history in reverse. unless we see a massive unionization in those industries, i would be happy to see that but i would not at all that. we won't be getting back those good paying manufacturing jobs. about subsidizing solar and clean energy, we can't play make believe. california's power grid is being stressed. we have to live in the real world of climate change and there is a huge cost to us earning oil -- burning oil. the idea that it is a bad thing

to subsidize green energy. i am very glad to see president biden doing that in corporate america is responding. that is exactly what we need, we should have been doing this 20 years ago but it is great we are doing it now. host: i imagine you have some thoughts on that. diana: i wanted to respond to the outsourcing of jobs. the benefits were low-cost goods that came in and americans benefited. manufacturers did not go abroad because they wanted to, they went abroad because the cost differential was so large that they could benefit more americans when they came back. caller: good morning, first about i want to complement the

panel because i really appreciate the discussion. secondly, i wanted to say that i am a happy boomer. i retired recently. i wanted to mention, i lived in germany back in the early 70's and they had a shortage of workers. it occurs to me that we need immigration reform in this country. if we could have more workers contribute to our society, why not codify that and allow them to work legally and bring more? it is a big country and i believe we could benefit from increased immigration. diana: we need more illegal

immigration, we need to make it bureaucratically more easy. it is easier to walk across the southern border than to get a legal visa to work in a job where the employer needs you. we need to be tightening up border security also. we can't have people walking across our southern border and expecting us to look after them. there are countries all over the world that don't like america. iran trying to assassinate americans on our own soil. we need more legal immigrants to solve the job problems here. dean: in 2007, they had support

from a number of republicans that would've normalize the status of people who had been in this country. the undocumented, many of them have been here for decades. they could be deported. it is absolutely crazy. having a more regular process where people could get into line and come to this country to work. it is tragic that we can't have a serious discussion about that. ronald reagan did this. it is not a radical proposition. there had been partisan support for those but now we have the republican screaming that the

immigrants are going to do god knows what. most of us are descendants of immigrants. our grandparents were not horrible people and the people coming in will contribute to this country and we should let them. host: from michigan we have catherine, a republican. caller: i have a question for both of you. the manufacturing that is coming back to the united states, are these american companies? i have an issue with smithfield. they make a lot of our pork products. they are a big company in sioux falls. they are owned by china. china did not like the fact that their prices were going up so they bought smithfield. there

are other factories throughout the united states that they own. i am opposed to other countries, especially china, coming and buying our manufacturing plants and property. i heard that china is buying up a lot of our property. i think this is an issue that we need to look into and i think we need to get out there and let people know that smithfield products, i think we should picket them. diana: china is also investing

in electric car and busses. they want us to have electric car so they can sell us the batteries to run these cars. this is something we should be watching out for and guarding against. when any chinese company invest it also has the authority of the chinese government. dean: you have a lot of foreign companies toyota, honda, they produce cars in the united states and i think that is a great thing. there are issues with china but i will also say, there are a lot of people here who want to have a cold war with china. i am old enough to remember the cold war with the soviet union.

that wasn't a great thing. china's economy is already 20% larger than our economy. the extent to which it is larger than the u.s. economy will increase through time. the idea that we will spend them into the ground is nuts. i would like to look for more ways to cooperate with china. climate technology, we all have an interest in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

we should be sharing the technology as much as possible, not looking to bottle it up. host: a question from tillman on twitter, why are we pushing electric vehicle of power grids are not ready for it? if it is about omission what are we doing about aviation? diana: hybrids are more fuel-efficient and in terms of missions, hybrids can be charged through the car's engine. i don't understand why we are pushing battery electric vehicles.

we just don't have the great capacity to have all battery electric vehicles right now, especially using wind and solar. these charging mechanisms use natural gas. host: we have about 10 minutes left. you have jim in florida. caller: i have two statements, mr. baker, the definition of insanity is to repeat the same hang and expect a different output. manufacturing left the united states is because of unions. as you sit there and propose unions, we will not get to where

we have to be with unions driving the price of the labor up to a point where it is cheaper to do it offshore. secondly, when building these electric cars. i spent 50 years in the auto industry. nobody is talking about the dangers that we have with the lithium coming out of these batteries in the lifetime they will have. where do we get rid of these batteries when they die? it will be a danger to the country just like carbon emissions. we have a power grid problem in california but we are pushing everybody to drive an electric car and it is ridiculous. dean: we are not maran's.

we are adding to the power grid. we are adding to it rapidly. the power grid in 2035 will look different from it today. it is bizarre to say we don't have the electricity to power all of these electric cars? we don't now but we will. in terms of lithium, that is an issue but it is not the same kind of issue is global warming. we have record temperatures throughout the southwest and it will get worse not better. one third of pakistan is underwater. it is going to get worse, not better.

the temperatures in most of south asia have been over 100 degrees. people cannot live in that. yes, we have to figure out what to do with lithium but it will not destroy the planet. we have to be realistic. my problem is not with china but the reality is, china has been leading in clean energy. they had as much installed solar as the world combined. they had as many electric cars than the world combined. it has been aggressive in pushing for clean energy. in terms of what they've been doing on global warming, they have been the leaders and i don't hold it against

them. diana: yes they are building more solar panels but it doesn't generate that much electricity. they are relying on their coal-fired power plants. the only emissions free energy is nuclear and we don't see a lot of people calling for nuclear power plants. as far as unions go, only 6% of americans choose to belong to unions. it is a small share because unions don't provide the value for money that american workers want. they see the dues taken out of their paycheck, they don't feel

like they get enough for and that is why the share of the unionized workforce has gone down so much. host: two lincoln, nebraska, brian, a democrat. caller: i have a question for diana, there was a guy who asked about the tax cuts for the rich that trump brought in and she brought up big oil. the question was tax cuts for the rich. you turn around and you have ppe fraud, you are giving money to businesses that don't need it. the small businessman who probably need it did not get it.

then you want to say, the workers getting $1200 a month is keeping them out of work. let's talk about the $600 per week that trump signed in. how can you give businesses an open paycheck and expect them to employ their employees when you want to give them $600 per week. diana: those are great questions. president biden is benefiting from the trump tax cuts. one of the reasons our economy is growing is because president biden did not succeed in rolling back those tax cuts which gave incentives for corporations to bring back manufacturing here to the united states. it gave small businesses incentives to grow and invest and it gave people incentives to go out and work.

in terms of the stimulus, it was needed in 2020 when the economy tanked and people were forced to stay home. when people were called back to work in 2021, the stimulus encourage them to stay home and worsened the supply chain effects. that is why we have 11 million unfilled jobs and their are help-wanted signs all over. you can't compare 2021 to the dramatic shock of 2020. dean: basically, we continued the trend we had been on after the trump tax cuts. to my view, they were a huge giveaway to people who do not need it.

i wanted to jump into unions for a second. i'll make the comparison to canada, there is a notable the client and unions. it is difficult to organize a union in the united states, much less so than in canada. you have companies like germany that have higher unionization rates, they have a strong manufacturing sector. you can't say the problems with u.s. manufacturing is due to unions, that doesn't make any sense. host: barbara, thank you for waiting, from oklahoma. caller: good morning.

i am originally from california. i worked in electronics. in the early 1970's i went to hewlett-packard. i went to work one morning and they told us, don't go to work we are having a meeting. we go to this meeting and this meeting is telling us that we had better go to college, get an education because within 10 years all electronic companies will be in china or japan. it was just about 10 years, i was working for ibm that ibm started sending everything overseas. i lost my job to that.

instead of using us, they hired pakistanis who had just come into the country to take our jobs. this is what is going on in silicon valley. all of those plants, they are empty. there is nobody in them anymore. they built all of these companies and they are empty. host: dean baker on silicon valley? dean: i understand people will lose job but we are getting the benefit of highly skilled workers from east asia and other countries. i guess i don't consider that a bad thing. we should also ensure that people have good paying jobs

here. host: let me give you john on the democrats line. caller: good morning, good morning to the panel. we are excited because we have the president coming here. i work in the company where i feel like i have a bunch of r2-d2. i work with a lot of elderly people and we have manufacturing all day. i am 47 years old. it is amazing that here in ohio, i worked around the high-tech manufacturing.

with the president coming here, it is exciting for our state. our governor is going to be there. it is exciting to see the growth in high-tech jobs. i don't like it when they say that's good. you have to get out there and work. there are jobs out here. especially in the state of ohio. there are two d2, so you push a button, and you let them know. get the product out there. that's all i've got to say. thank you. host: thank you. caller: ohio is a right to work state. they do not have to get their jobs, and they are working with all of these artists because it makes you productive and gives you a higher paycheck.

guest: it is a different workplace. host: i'll give you the last 30 seconds. what were you saying? >> right to work, employers set conditions. they have to wear uniforms, they have to make you smile. they get to do that. the workers have the right to say they will unionize, you can pay union representation. you don't have to join the union. that would be illegal. but they ensure your safety, your work conditions, your wages that you have to a representation. that's what that means it best. host: will have to do it again. two graduates this morning. we want to thank you for the policy research, and or the heritage foundation. we appreciate both of your time this morning. >> great to be here. host: up next, a conversation on

a ron and its nuclear ambitions it will be joined by john hopkins school of advanced international studies for the conversation. that will happen after the right. we will be right back.

>> washington journal continues. host: iran's nuclear ambitions and the international efforts to keep them in check it our guess

is a professor from the don hopkins school of international studies. good morning to you. the biden administration has been working to revitalize the nuclear deal that they walked away from during the trump administration. just remind us first what that deal did. guest: it was negotiated between 2013 and 2015. between iran and five members of the security council of the united nations. according to that, they agreed to cap the nuclear program for a. of 10 years in some parts for much longer. not to enrich uranium beyond announce, and have a certain number of centrifuges, and dismantle all of the technology that could be in iran. in exchange, the united states

community would lift sanctions on aranda. as a result of that, which was largely implemented by iran and was verified by the atomic energy, the breakout. that they needed to amass is enough for a single bond. what pushback to around a year, and that's where it stood. it was a deal in that sense. it was not eradication of the program. but it created sufficient amounts of time and space so they could not need to pay for the breakout. host: the shorthand for a conference a plan of action. why did they walk away? guest: president trump promised to walk away during his campaign. many in the republican party

thought the united states should have gotten a lot more out of the deal, and not, eradicate the program altogether. president trump was also out to destroy president obama's legacy with eight important policy achievement of the obama administration, and he was under a, i would say, a policy. he came out of the deal and flight pressure, and they would weakly buckle and come back to the table. he would get a much bigger and better deal from them. host: the biden administration has been working to change this with a status of talks. guest: presidents efforts was a catastrophic failure. it was a hard line and dangerous country, and also the program advanced to a point that now it

is only a matter of days before they would be a breakout. they never came back to a negotiation tail -- table under president trump. the biden administration is trying to clean up a failure that the trump administration left hind, which was renting a deal that was working, and making it much more dangerous. the administration is trying to really put this genie back in the box. persuade them to go back to the year of 2015 in exchange for sanctions on iran. in that agreement, they basically have to do that, but the two sides have disagreements about implementation about how to sign it >> as you say, it could be days away from a breakout. what would reviving this deal do what it include officials going

in and removing this? how does this work? guest: they would push back at least six months, and that is because during the trump administration, the iranians experimented with nuclear technology and got know-how about how to quickly set up their program, so even though they go back to where they were in 2018, you cannot take the knowledge out of their system. it would push iran back six months, but that is far better than six days. they would agree to stop enriching uranium, and make sure that it would not have a path to a bomb. they would agree not to have certain advanced centrifuges. it would ship out all of the uranium that had been enriched in the best for your out of the country. it would open itself to the

international atomic energy agency. all of the things they've agreed to, it would be by and large crystal. the final solution to the problem is not that. but it would give us a lot more of a buffer zone to nuclear iran, which is what the united states does not want, and what president biden has found that he would not allow happen. host: we invite our viewers to join the discussion. if you questions about iran, and the effort to revive that, as they call it, the phone lines are open. the numbers are on your screen. folks are calling in. how do our allies in the region view the effort to revise that

deal? guest: we are close to the original deal. we thought it would empower them in the region, but what they witnessed is that iran to get empowered and became more aggressive with united states foldout. even though they are not happy about a nuclear deal, and away, they have moved past it. they are finding ways to reduce tensions with iran and kuwait with investors to charon. iran and saudi arabia have been engaged in a dialogue it i think what they don't want is further escalation that could end up in some kind of war that would damage them as well. we look at the nuclear deal is if that would plunge the region in war, or bring stability that

would protect our interests? >> taking phone calls with a professor at johns hopkins university school of advanced international study it having a conversation at the bottom of the hour, 9:30 a.m.. let me mention one story that is getting a lot of attention. we will caps on it. for our viewers, we are under medical supervision at balmoral. doctors became concerned at buckingham palace. all of the screens children are traveling to her side, following further evaluation. doctors are concerned about health and recommend she remain under medical supervision. that is what the statement says it prince charles is traveling there with the rest of the family, as well. if there are any updates on that, we will bring that to you. it's return to this conversation about iran. the effort to revive that deal.

we have a couple calls for you. this is doug in boston. democrat. good morning. caller: hello. trump walked away because he was paid $27 million in 2016's campaign contribution from a casino owner and an israeli fanatic. patrick buchanan once remarked that the congress is an israeli occupied territory. you could extend that to an executive read it is probably for one very good reason why c-span has never had a representative from the palestinian authority. but anyway, if you could remarked on that, i would appreciate that, and have a good day. host: u.s. and israel interest in the reason -- region. guest: they were opposed to the original deal. they also were opposed to the

united states joining this deal. there is no question that that yahoo! was not concerned about escalation of tensions between the u.s. and iran did perhaps, he welcomed them, and he basically believed that the united states should pressure the uranian regime until it collapses. he did not favor any kind of deal in neurons that would actually relieve economic pressure on iran. it would give reading room to the republic. the president trump was engaging with the republican party itself, and that was extremely those to the deal. it was obama's deal, and he was opposed to talking with enemies, and he preferred an aggressive method against them, and because there was this belief that if you added pressure on iran, ron

would buckle. one thing we've learned is that does not work. in this case, it did not work rid it only made the problem bigger. president trump's own mentality is that he can do that are, and it will be a nuclear deal, and you can oversee that he did not want uranian nuclear deal, and it was accosting the leaders and asking them to meet with them at the united nations. he sent the president to wake up the president, and ask him to speak with them on the phone, and he definitely wanted that at the nine nations. he wanted a deal. he wanted this to be his deal, and the first step was to put a listing deal rather than build on it. he was then going to claim that he did it all himself. host: a different perspective

from kevin on twitter. can any proponent of the nuclear deal tell me how they came to believe that ron wouldn't use a weapon as soon as possible? stop negotiating with iran now. what are your thoughts? >> what are our alternatives. we have a lot closer to a bomb over the past four years. they kept it for years in the timeframe to build one bomb. now, it is days. if you don't arrive within agreement that will halt the progress and puts them back, we see economic sanctions have not made a dent. the only alternative is a war. we have to be realistic about what are the alternatives were dealing with the problems. we wish they would go away, or blame the other side for being a problem. that is not a solution that

there has to be a solution that the united states is comfortable with red even president trump did not want to go to war. he backed away will times. when the iranian shot down a drone, when they attacked their own facilities and saudi arabia, every time he came, he didn't want to take the united states to work. there was a consensus on both sides with democrats and republicans that they don't want another will teach trillion dollar costly war in the middle east. you don't negotiate with iran, and you say you will not tolerate their program, but the only alternative is having an alternative to war. host: can we talk about what's happening in ukraine? iran and russian relationships, and transfer of capabilities

happening right now. guest: the war has had an important impact on negotiations. they became less cooperative with the united states in the negotiation. they actually tried to leverage the negotiation to their own advantage. every chance they got, wraps, and secretly, they've influenced iran in various stages to not be as cooperative they've been in the negotiation. the war in ukraine has convinced many countries around the world, including iran, that unites states has too much on its plate. they already have an issue of china to deal with, and taiwan. now they have ukraine to deal with. they are not willing to dedicate that to the middle east, and the

military resources they want, and that changes the balance of power in negotiation. and the ukraine war also raises the rise of oil. it benefits iran greatly because whenever they sell secretly, and the black market, it will be not conducive. it benefits the economy, and also, it rings them closer to each other. now, they are under many sanctions. they may be more willing to give an advanced missile or jet fighter, and things will -- military hardware they were not previously willing to give. they were worried about sanctions, and they see it as a strategic country that gives strategic death, so the relationship first started in syria, when they joined the war they are together at i don't

know how good they are, but these stories are beneficial because it gives a sense that they have the technological capability to actually be a player in the war. there are reports coming out that there are other countries considering buying these drones. the wars in europe, but it has had an impact on the middle east and the dialogue. host: 10 minutes left with the professor. joining us this morning until the bottom of the hour. this is jim from hazelwood missouri. caller: good morning. i am curious, do you think the united states under any circumstance can live with a nuclear a rant that has the ability to deliver nuclear weapons?

guest: we are not there, but the clearly, democrat, republican, they have said they will not tolerate a nuclear iran. nuclear meaning having a clear bomb instead of just nuclear technology. as i said, there are two options to event them from having a. one is to physically prevent them from having it. the second one is to basically stop the program at a much lower level so we can have a sense that yes, they have a nuclear enrichment capability, but it is not unction a to produce a bomb and produce an arsenal of bombs. it is not really as critical, but once you get there, if you build an arsenal of 20 or 30 bombs, you have power.

even when president trump wanted to talk to iran, he wanted his deal. even he understood that essentially, we don't like the 2015 deal, but i also want a deal. president trump never said that he saw a solution to the program as one of going to war. diplomacy is right now, the only way in which we can actually stop iran from being on the threshold of building a bond. push them back by months and opened them to inspections. it is better to have them there to have them north korea is. then there will be hard choices. when we say we will not tolerate, what does that mean? it means that ultimately, we have to basically think about the war in the region with everything that means. we have to get the best possible deal, they want the best

possible deal for them. any deal. they have to arrive at a compromise that both sides can live with. we should not look at diplomacy as a total surrender of the other side. that is not the. diplomacy is dealmaking. you need to have a good deal it you have to accept that it is a deal. it is a deal, and the other site doesn't get everything they want. for now, republicans and democrats to some extent both are still talking about a diplomatic solution, and it would prevent what we don't want to think about as an alternative . host: one of the headline said that it was stalled. what is the reason stop -- talks have hit an impasse? guest: they arrived at an

agreement about the nuclear side with exactly what the u.s. was doing with sanctions it on a technical level, both sides are in agreement. the question is really about implementation, and it's about trump read united states has concern is the color mentioned about what iran will or will not do and how to verify what they will and will not do. ron has trust issues because the united states has already left the deal, once. they are saying, how can we make sure that they will implement the deal. how do they make sure that you won't take the deal as an american president, and also look at the americans and think there is a chance of president trump coming back. if you won't leave the deal again, we've done this with billions of dollars in technology and weaponry and shipped out our nuclear material

and leverage. we went back to where we were at square one. then, both leaders in both countries have to put a little cold capital in and go to their respective parliaments and in the public, and sell a deal that many americans and iranians are suspicious of not supportive of. president biden has mentioned that he will have to basically spend political capital on this. these are the types of things that hold signing something, and it is not a technical issue. it holds things up. host: this is melvin. thank you for waiting. caller: q answer my first question of why iran would trust you and after they walk away from a deal with the second question is, the last

administration also participated in the field of future negotiations by naming the organization. my other question is this. even if iran got a deal, there is nothing that seems to indicate that they would be irresponsible. we have the same conversation about north korea being irresponsible, but with nuclear weapons, it is always possible. that is a terrorist from a u.s. invasion. so far, they've got a program up and running, when they showed me a -- no indication they were not in -- responsible. >> these are good questions. these are the questions we ask of president biden when he starved. -- started.

the reason iran is at the table is because it does value things the united states can offer, like lifting sanctions for iran and engaging in more trade. these are important things. we just don't want to necessarily go to war. they don't want to go to war either. the more threatening we are, the more likely it is that we will pursue a nuclear program. as you say, the reason for the program is to prevent an invasion. there is a debate in iran. does it reduce the chance of invasion? we have to note that in 2015, whatever the deal was, they implemented it. they actually did what they signed on to do. they allowed international atomic energy in. they shook out all of the enriched uranium. they warehoused all of the

centrifuges that they had. they dismantled the plutonium reactor under international supervision, which we thought was not easily doable that they did it with they pretty much were in full compliance with what they signed within six months of signing the deal in 2015. in fact the u.s. did not leave the sanctions they had promised. with all the legal issues in the u.s., we left the deal as well. any deal, whether you buy a house or sign a deal, it is based on trust. you give something up, and you want to make sure you are left holding the bag. any country that deals with the united states is the weaker party in the negotiation because they are vulnerable, and they give up a lot more. for them, taking that step is a big deal.

in iran, there are intense debates. there are entire factions that, these deals are negotiated in the united states, and it would make iran more vulnerable. ultimately, you only succeed by getting an agreement, limiting it, and both sides developing trust read there is an agreement that actually works, and you can build on that, going forward. you trust building which is very difficult. it takes time, and it will come one agreement at a time. host: last call. republican. thank you for waiting. caller: i just wanted to put some perspective into this. the people of the united states have been told to hate iran because the government told us we need to hate iran.

they want us to hate iran because israel hates iran, and saudi arabia is against iran. they are against it because iran has gal -- goal to call out the people. saudi arabia hates iran because he ran, from what i understand, has probably as much or more oil under it and saudi arabia. if iran ever got into an open situation where they could sell oil, freely, they would take down saudi arabia. i'm just going to say that we in the united states have been taught. iran owes united states nothing. we have implanted a government there, back in the 70's. all they've done is sanctioned and hurt them in a sense. i thought i would put

perspective there. i've known a lot of iranians. that are very nice people. they have been held under the boot of khomeini as much as anything. we should be against the government and we should hit -- quit hating on them because other countries want us to hopefully we can comment on that. host: the final two minutes. guest: the relations with iran are complicated and multidimensional. iran is not innocent in this, either. i have to say that. those are countries with their own natural interests. and they saw that. as far as the united states is concerned, we have not had a relationship with them. there was a hostage crisis, and in the iraq war, there was a lot there. you have to remember that the nuclear deal is not normalization. it is not a peace treaty.

it is not in agreement. it is an arms-control treaty. it is dealing with a specific problem that we see and we want to run not today. if we keep it limited to that, and not at more things onto it, it will be more successful. we used to do deals like that with the soviet union had arms-control deals with the soviet union under president nixon. these were not treaties of friendship. they were basically dealing with a specific threat. it was beneficial to the united states, and probably to the soviet union. we should look at that deal and that context. it might be the beginning for other changes, but for now, it's really an arms-control deal it host: our professors with the johns hopkins school of international studies. if you want to learn more about his work, a former senior

advisor at the state department, the obama administration, give up all on twitter at his twitter account. easy to find. thank you for your time. >> thank you. in 25 minutes left, we will do as we often do with open forum. any public policy and clinical issue, any issue you want to talk about, the phone lines are yours to do so. the phone lines are on the screen. start calling in now. we will get to those calls after the break.

>> washington journal continues. host: 25 minutes left. you will lead the discussion. the numbers are on the screen if you want to call in. any policy issue or political issue that you want to talk about, here's where we are at the senate is set to come in at 10 a.m. eastern, and 25 minutes for their work. as a reminder, with a district work week, it is not back until tuesday. president biden is set to deliver remarks on the latest covid-19 vaccines it this evening, you will attend the natural -- national committee campaign event in verlyn. on capitol hill, we are covering

this. not on capitol hill, but dealing with those who often come into capitol hill. we are giving a speech in detroit. the biden economic record. that speech is just outside detroit with an electrical vehicle center. you can watch that 2:00 p.m. on c-span. i'm free c-span now. and on c-span.org read and also, in 20 minutes, if he stayed here, we will be taking you to a senate banking hearing on the issue of insurance. stick around for that conversation, right after this program, and then, the news we have been tracking. here's the new york times on the latest of queen elizabeth's health it wheel is with the sec. health appears to be deteriorating sharply. buckingham palace announced that she has been placed under medical supervision, and her doctors are concerned about her health read she was 96 and

reigned for 70 years. she is not been hostile lies -- hospitalized, but she remains invalid moral castle where she spent most of the summer. on wednesday, she canceled a virtual meeting of a council after her doctors advised her to rest after further evaluation. doctors are concerned and recommend she remain under medical supervision. family members are either at her side or making their way to her side. that is what we know right now. we will give you updates if there are updates on that story. that is the latest from the new york times, and all other news organizations are on this as well. especially the bbc with life updates minute by minute on the queens health. your calls are an open forum. dangle virginia, democrats. what's on your mind. caller: i would like to speak

about some of our seniors. as republicans and democrats, we shouldn't let a lot of stuff out of her mind. republican women with donald trump. i wonder why. i am 86 years old, and i love my family, so we should come together and love one another, and than the world would be a better ways for us to live in. thank you for taking michael. -- mike call. -- my call. caller: thank you for taking my call it --. i know it's never happened before, but secrets have never

been taken from a private residence, and i know that the handling of secret documents is supposed to be under lock and key. trump is actually someone brought to this country. you have to wonder why he would do that. the other thing is, i was concerned about the tax scam. they had one thing in mind, and that was to terminate social security and medicare. thank you for taking my call. host: republican, karen from tulsa, oklahoma. good morning. caller: i am calling because i am confused. i am a person who views a variety of news input.

last night, i was watching the france 24 presentation of the situation in mar-a-lago. the documents. date quoted that there was 11,000 documents taken it then this morning, which i think 11,000 is in error, and this morning, i saw the washington post put out an article indicated that they have found articles -- documents that include nuclear information from another country. that confuses me, because if these are top-secret documents, how would we know how many there are? where would the information becoming from? host: you'd like to know more about the sourcing of the story? caller: primarily that.

and how do they know about it? it is supposed to be so positive it how did this leak out? host: surprised by leaks in washington, even with issues like this? caller: i'm not surprised, but i am wondering if it is such a topsy that the article indicated it was trump's fault, but there are people who are leaking stuff it it ought to be held to account. host: that is karen out of tulsa, oklahoma. this is an independent from new hampshire. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling because we need a new source of energy. we will make it, and it would help the economy. world economy. and climate change. i was thinking, you send our glasses and generators. you have plenty of desert sand

we can use. then, think of boardgames that we use in boardgames. our glasses with sand. as the sand passes down the hourglass, down to the middle, you could have a generator, and it would keep going through the generator, and it would create electricity. and when the bottom is full, we have to turn the hourglass over, and the sands, being at the top, get, would continue to slow down , and this could be continuous energy. i thank you. host: this is livingston and

randolph, massachusetts. good morning. caller: i'm calling about the previous subject. i think it is time c-span do a story about that from the 1970's. in iran, america wanted to take weight the people side. moran is the most democratic country the middle east. anywhere in the middle east, that is the interest that they have been trying to destroy the people. they've never had a war. it is then continued in the middle east. they had a war. suddenly, there is one of the worst countries in the world because of america, and that. thank you. host: this is diana, a republican from california. caller: let me say that i am a

proud walk away democrat it i am generationally a strong democrat it i walked away six years ago. i would not call myself a republican. too many rhinos. i am a social worker it this country has been turned upside down. they tried to frame president trump. it is ridiculous. i don't waste time with articulate debate anymore. i just call this administration liars. there was a song in the 60's cold wires. i don't waste my time with debate. mar-a-lago, they set up a president. it is utterly astounding to me. this is all an attempt that they failed with the russian collusion, and they failed everything else. they have a demented illegitimate president. i am astounded. it is upside down world. i have to remind people, and people don't realize this, but

january 6, the protest, january 6 was about seizing or not season but doing an audit. they were going to have a ten-day pause and democrats cannot allow that to happen, so the protest was subverted by infiltrators from the fbi. host: how old were you when you left the democratic party? caller: i didn't leave the parting the 60's. i left six years ago. the lies about donald trump. i did my research. he is not a perfect man, but from new jersey, people -- listen. i voted for obama twice, and clinton. not hillary, but bill. i was a generational strong democrat. but i walked away from the party

because they had the media behind them, and silicon valley. they live. i will never vote for a democrat again. host: this is isaac and buie, marilyn. democrat. caller: good morning. i speak this morning to the americans. americans need to wake up. donald trump divided this country. how can you get high demand we scammed the country for 10 years. he covered the deaths by saudi arabia. he dodged the draft. american heels -- heroes like john mccain say that he lied about the troops. he has also taken the documentations so why are

americans behind this man who is a scammer and a kook? enough is enough. we need to wake up. this man is not fit to be donald trump manager. he is a loser. he is lying about the election. judges are appointed, and he throws the kids out. how can you say he was elected president? host: this is bonnie from west virginia. caller: i want to get something clear. a lot of people think the documents are in a luxury place. the documents were in his house. margot. it was close to home, and a lot of people do not think to understand that --.

host: do you think it was ok for the documents to be there? caller: they were. they came in and check to make sure they were, and they looked at them and they advised them on one particular area, and we did it. that's it. a lot of people don't understand or are aware that area, the country club was basically shut down. so all of the drama and guns and think they have, it is all a show. host: this is the washington post story that one of our callers mentioned. it came out yesterday. a document described a foreign government military defenses including capabilities which were found by fbi agent to service for president donald trump in a private club last

month. that is according to people familiar with the matter. the underscore the concerns about u.s. intelligence officials about classified cereals in florida properties. some of them were top-secret so closely guarded that many security officials were concerned about them. it was a near cabinet official who knows details of these access programs, according to people familiar with the search. they spoke on the condition of anonymity and described the ongoing investigation. that was the washington post. about 10 is left this morning. for the washington journal, this is kim in yorba linda california. good morning. caller: i am a native californian, 100% mexican, and i am having a hard time hearing the governor's name being thrown around from the democrat party.

i was born a democrat, and i'm having a hard time right now figuring out where the democrats are. i had a hard time with the candidates of the last election. we had a candidate pete beauty jagdish -- pete to get -- pete buddha gets --. democrats don't. we will run, and we will get behind anybody and run them. we will act all proud, and unified, and at this point, because of what is going on in california, day-to-day lives, governor newsom is an enemy of california. we have public school prisons where we put our kids for 13 years. we give them a piece of paper that they take to a junior college, they pretend these kids are succeeding. now, our school districts are

having to hire the products of the education system. how is that going? if you didn't teach them to help them graduate high school, and then college, they continue bakery, and now, you have to hire these people to teach our children. host: talk about qualification -- who is eight qualified person to run for president in a recent election? caller: i wish i could tell you i knew. so much information was hidden. i would like to go back to governor newsom. he is creating rules that he breaks. we have a situation with the power great. we have the situation with public schools, and when you go back to who is qualified, who knows? democrats want to make us pretend that pete is -- we

rejected, harris and on the ticket. joe biden for 40 years. host: what should be those qualifications? what would you like to see russian mark --? caller: i was talking to some local teachers, and i saw some democrats who are starting to get on the fence. we don't have anything to stand on. we are like quick stand -- sand. do you know how little donald trump that elected? he was not the gop choice. the gop pete hated him. they didn't want him to run. but it is the conservatives that chose him. they voted for him anyways. they didn't follow like sheep or democrats. that's what we are. pete buttigieg and joe biden, come on. host: this is elayna in

washington, d.c.. good morning. i am a nicaraguan born child from the 90's, and with the lady who just called, a social worker, she was tiffany trump which is ridiculous. a social worker should be ashamed to defend trump after all of the things he said about immigrants, people with disabilities, women, gay people, you should be ashamed. to call yourself a social worker in this country. thank you. host: talmage, ohio. republican. good morning. are you with us? i'll try one more time. then we will go to pam. pam, already with us? go ahead. caller: clap to have you, go on.

all right. hello? host: i'm not sure it's going on with the phones, but go ahead pam. caller: i am tired of hearing about trump. the more they talk about trump, the more things get devastated people are so fixated on trump, but they forget that since we have moved on, we have craziness going on. inflation is off the charts. we have an open border. we have states fighting over abortion laws and stuff. people need to get their heads out of the and and look at what is happening in the day-to-day lives did host: jan in west chester pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning.

i think it's like they said with hillary. locke it out. if he did something or violated any laws, with those documents, lock him up. he put some americans in danger. not just cia people working in the field. they were in danger. locke came up. i'm tired of them trying to protect him, and you have a problem. i'm originally from delaware, and i know joe biden it with jill, a presence -- he is doing a great job, he is trying to do as good of a job as he can do. host: where did you get the

chance to meet joe biden? caller: i was 17. i am 62 now. jill taught at my high school. they were not married at the time, and he came in and just some things with meetings and students. i was one of his students. he speaks the way he always spoke. he's not senile. there's nothing wrong with him. that's the way he speaks. that's his mannerism. it is still the same. it is disgusting. he is done a lot of things for people. he is a good person. he is qualified from california. i don't know what issues she has with her state, but also, they don't just throw anyone in their

with democrats. republicans too. that's why you have palin. trump, who never held a physician. a mayor or governor. nothing. representatives, nothing. he jumped into the presidency. i can be president. i think that is because biden was a black man and he went to the white house, and he figured, he is white and he can be president. he had a reality show. host: were running out of time here as we wait for the senate banking committee to get underway. that's where were going to go when they do gavel in, this morning. you can see the photographers, including tom williams. they are taking snapshots of members ahead of the banking committee. we have time for one more call. as we wait for to begin. there is vincent in texas. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: this former president,

why is he not in jail yet? it seems like the things he has done, i don't understand what he is and put jail. host: this is keith. good morning. caller: good morning. the way i see everything is that they have not made any effort to prosecute any democrats for their crimes like joe biden, the quid pro quo, with a prosecutor on the sun. barham, or you won't get $6 billion. they haven't gotten to that or bill clinton getting on the ranch. they haven't gotten to hunter biden. the fbi, going down facebook. don't do anything for trump or anything. just keep hunter biden on the profile.

we are not done americans. everyone thinks that we are going to sit back and let this country go to hell, but were not going to do that. for going to get the right people in congress, if they take time. but we are patient people. we will get our country back. host: we will have to ended there. the banking committee is getting underway. that will do it russ on the washington journal. we now take you or live coverage in the senate banking committee and we will be back tomorrow morning at 7 a.m.. >> a tragedy. it's. >> american insurance companies -- regulation it is historic and it ensures local markets and needs are taken into consideration. the naic