host: good morning. it is sunday, september 18. the white house is to sizing gop governors for transporting migrants to other parts of the country. they say they are needed to draw attention to the immigration crisis. it's a crisis they say is caused by the borden policy. we want to know what you think about this political and legal

battle. you can start phoning and out. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. you can also text us at (202) 748-8003. you can find us on twitter, facebook, and on instagram. we already are seeing a lot of coverage nationally about those transports of immigrants from the southern border to martha's vineyard and to washington dc. this is a headline that i want

to show you from the washington post. the headline says: i am going to skip down just a little bit to this paragraph.

that is a little bit of the state of what is going on right now. let's hear now from the florida governor. he is the one who sponsored a couple of flights from texas to martha's vineyard. let's listen. >> all those people in new york who are beating their chest when trump was president saying they were so proud to be sanctuary jurisdictions, how bad it was to have a secure border, when a small fraction of what those border towns deal with everyday is brought to their front door, they go berserk. they are upset that this is

happening. it shows you their virtue signaling is a fraud. they are supporting policies that are frankly indefensible. it's not defensible for a superpower to not have any control over the territory of its country. he inherited a situation where you didn't have this happening. we need to build the wall. there was more we needed to do. he reversed the trump policies. one of the reasons why we want to transport, it's expensive if people are coming here. if we can do that in a sanctuary, the chance they go to florida it comes down dramatically. every community in america should be sharing in the burden. it shouldn't fall on a handful of red states. they have two decide, this is a

policy you supported. when you get a small amount compared to what these people have dealt with in texas and other states. we see americans moving here. people visiting here. we are the number one state for foreign tourism. even people across the border, a lot want to come to florida. our message is we are not a sanctuary state. we don't have benefits for any of that. what would be the best is for biden to do his job and secure the border. host: that was the florida governor. let's hear from the white house press secretary. this was a press briefing last week.

she addressed the migrant relocation. this is what she had to say. >> yesterday, to republican governors lured 100 asylum-seekers, including children, on two planes and buses with false premises and then abandoned them on the side of a busy road thousands of miles away with nothing but ziploc bags of their belongings in hand. these were children, they were moms, they were fleeing communism. what did the governors do to them? they use them as political ponds, treated them like chattel in a cruel premeditated political stunt. why else would he have spent the time to charter a flight to take migrants out of a different state, not even his state, and

hire a videographer to capture footage of that flight, but not bothered to let massachusetts authorities know that migrant children were about to land on their doorstep. these vulnerable migrants are reportedly misled. they were misled about where they were headed. they were told they were heading to boston. they were misled about what they would be provided with when they arrived, promised shelter and benefits and more. these are the kinds of tactics we see from smugglers in places like mexico and guatemala. for what? a photo op? because they care about creating political theater more than creating actual solutions to help people who are fleeing communism, to help children, to help families.

president biden put forward a comprehensive immigration reform package on his first day in office. he secured record funding for the department of homeland security. we once again invite republicans to support both. host: that was the white house press secretary. let's go to some of the editorials on this migrant flight to democratic areas. i want to start with the wall street journal. this is by their editorial board. i am going to advance toward the end where it says:

again it, that is from the wall street journal. we are going to go to your calls.

democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. let's hear from peter in new york. good morning. caller: good morning. this is just another example of if we allow the republican thought process to manage human beings at the border. i think democrats need to take control of the situation rationally, pragmatically. look at it in a very scientific way, how may people are coming, how many resources do we need, what services are needed.

we send them somewhere where they are not going to be taken care of, you shouldn't lie to people. don't go with them -- goad them into going somewhere. that's my point. thank you. host: let's go to douglas in california. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i think the editorial you read from the wall street journal kind of sums up my point of view. the federal government has been failing this country on the issue of immigration for decades. people are encouraged to come here, whether it's to seek asylum or for economic reasons or they are smugglers. the federal government needs to take control, control it,

evaluate who should be allowed into the country and who should not. otherwise, we will continue to have this political stunt on both sides of the aisle instead of effectively coming up with a rational, reasonable policy that acknowledges those people who need help and punishes people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place. we already are overwhelmed. we are overwhelmed with drug smuggling. it is time that it stops. host: these migrants -- douglas is gone. i will have to ask another time. let's bring up john in rhode island. go ahead. caller: good morning.

thank you for taking my call. the previous caller is a very intelligent man. here is my point. this is all being done by design. the people coming in, they seem like they are very nice and family-oriented. they're looking for a better life. this is being done by design and primarily from people like george soros. his real name is george schwartz. he is satan personified. host: we are going to go to another collar. kevin is in michigan. go ahead. caller: you said it right. how come -- i thought we had a

law that if you were some kind of person who feared for your life, you would have sanctuary in the first country you come to. we are getting people from all over the world. where does this end? i look at these people by the thousands. they come with a backpack. they come with nothing. everything that they get is coming from the american people. how many millions of people can we afford to pay for everything? there has got to be a stop to this. if it doesn't stop soon, were not going to have a country anymore. host: next is bonnie in pennsylvania. caller: thank you very much for taking my call.

my grandparents were immigrants and came to this country through ellis island. they were given their shots. they came in separately. they had sponsors. they built a wonderful family. they worked their way. they came in legally. i see now that we've got polio arising again in the country. we have other diseases that we never had. we've got 2 million people coming through the southern border. we are known as a country with no borders. we are the only country in the world with no border. i am not jewish. if people would realize what israel does, you can go to israel. you can go in as an immigrant.

you have six months to assimilate to the culture, get a job, become self-sufficient. why can't we do this? why do the taxpayers have to take on all of the medical, educational, everything. half of them don't even work. they go on well. . i know this for a fact. host: up next is john in liverpool, new york. caller: i'm a democrat. i favor gun control, abortion rights. the one thing thing emma kratz e completely wrong on his immigration. you cannot have open borders. i look at these caravans coming in. most of them are young men. half of them are probably criminals. common sense tells you that.

these young people come in, they want to get there parents in. people that are old have expenses. i paid into the system. these older people never paid in. you don't deserve it. everyone that is talking about these people come in and in getting a free ride, it's true. the democrats have to clean up this issue. they are losing people like me who have been a democrat my whole life. i can't stand open borders. host: the next caller is anthony. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to say i have empathy for the people that are coming over the border. i would like to say that we have people in this country who need help. we should be helping our own.

i would like to say that the wall street journal was correct. i agree with what the wall street journal was saying. i think it is ingenious what abbott started doing it, sending these buses to new york. it certainly is getting the attention that it deserves. the southern states having to take in these people, with no idea what to do with them. the by demonstration has been given lip service to this matter. if you listened to her speech, they have a comprehensive plan. this is the number one domestic

problem that we have that we have to tackle. host: up next, rosalynn in wisconsin. caller: good morning. my thing is when it comes to immigration in this country, we've got to look at american government policy. we need to start with manifest destiny and how american government interfered in these countries. haiti, for example. just about every country in that area of american government has been in a number of these countries, overturned democracies, put in puppet

governments. were not learning that in school. people would not -- get on the government. enough is enough. that is a big problem with immigration. those people are over here because we have -- the government has interfered in their economies. that is why we are having so much immigration. thank you. host: let's go now to john in maryland on the independent line. caller: that last lady hit the nail on the head. it's amazing to hear these -- save me from these christians. that lady, the last lady.

if our government would stop tampering with those governments, they don't want to walk 3000 miles to come here. nobody wants to do that. when we take a look -- the government of texas, he has spent $12 million sending people out of texas. that's money that could be used to help them. for the sake of a political showing, that's what he is doing. a couple of years ago, we gave $750 billion to the bankers who robbed this nation. where do you think the money is coming from? we got done dealing with all of these wars. where do you think the money is coming from? we are crying about people who are trying to survive, walking $3000 with nothing on their backs. fox is talking about drugs.

drugs are manufactured by the people with money. these people aren't ringing drugs and. they are trying to survive like we would do. these are human beings. when communism was in europe, look at the people coming from ukraine. like the lady said about haiti, all of those are people of color. if they were white people, they would have their arms open. our government needs to stop tampering with those governments. stop putting those puppets in there. host: we are going to have to move on. jimmy is in maine. go ahead. caller: with all due respect to everybody that's called in, i don't care if you are lack,

white, we have one country. it is our country. we can't go in and rape a woman and go into another country. i used to live in southern california. they would come in with fake ids. i called the irs. there is a young girl going into california it to flip hamburgers at 15 dollars an hour. you've got cheap labor coming across the board. what is this going to do to our schools? how are teachers going to deal with people who can't speak english. graduating high school and can't read. what is wrong with you? take care of your country. this is the only one we have. this is it. we can't go back to what amount. we have to fix our country. host: next up is margaret in

arkansas. caller: good morning. i've been listening to this, one of the first things i heard as they just have a backpack, they have nothing. that's the american story. my grandparents, your grandparents when they came here to ellis island, they had nothing. that's the american story. how many times and heard of william ayres who came with $.25 and there pockets and they made it. we have emigrants here. for the most part, they are hard-working, good people, just like the rest of us. we are a nation of all races and people. we are the united states. that's what we are.

we are not a white country, contrary to what that gentleman says. the white race has been in power maybe. that is changing. we have good people of different races and ethnicities. that's what we are. it's just crazy. i'm nervous. it irked me. i agree with the other lady. we have interfered with other countries. they don't risk their lives walking thousands of miles, losing family members, children to come here to do damage to our country. we are not a welfare state. host: thank you, margaret. tiffany is in virginia. go ahead. caller: i have two things to say.

the wall is not working, why don't we get the people that are building the wall around bidens beach house in delaware, finish that wall. down at the border. also, speaking of the whites, they sent them up to martha's vineyard. that whole island is mostly white. who are the racists now? that's all i have to say. host: next up is patrick in florida. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i've been listening to all of this. it's fascinating to hear the dialogue. i think it is a brilliant stroke by the state of texas and the

state of florida. to bring the problem which democrats refuse to look at right to their back door and write where they go to vacation. i think they should send them to harvard. i think they should send them to nate -- new haven. i think they should send them to mill valley until democrats will face the reality that we have a massive problem on our border. we have hundreds of thousands of people coming across, as well as fentanyl. the migrants who are illegal, i am 100% for legal immigration. that is what this country is. we need to have legal and illegal definitions.

from there, that's basically all i have to say. we have all this fentanyl coming in. it's a terrible thing where children are being -- people are dying. there are 10-year-olds from places like guatemala who are being raped. host: we are talking about the republican governors who are sending migrants to democratic areas to point out a crisis at the border. it is caused by the administration. we want to know what you think about this battle. before we get back to your calls, we want to bring up another opinion piece from the washington post today. it talks about those migrants. it says:

democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. let's go now to vincent in north

carolina on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for accepting my call. i am a retired veteran. i served for 13 plus years in the military. by all means, let it be known that i have given 80% of my life protecting and defending the rights and democracy by which this country is built on. i am not a selfish person. i believe that everyone should be afforded ample help when possible.

as a disabled veteran, with four honorable discharges, i look back and see things going on concerning migrants coming in to the country. receiving benefits that i myself have been denied, such as medicaid, medicare, food stamps. i paid taxes into the state of north carolina from the age of 16. all the way into my mid 40's. when i see that these people come here and they get all of this free help.

when not taking care of our own. we put -- defending this country, we can't get anything is far as ample assistance, health, nothing like what these immigrants are receiving. host: thanks vincent. we will move on to paul in kansas city. caller: good morning. i am going to do this in bullet points. i hear people talk about how their ancestors came over and they did it the right way. i know they did it the right way. let's talk about why.

there was an ocean between europe and the united states. prior to any immigration law, anybody could come over here who could afford to. immigration laws had to be put up. they had to be put in place. let's not say it was because of virtue and respect. it was because of an ocean. that kept people standing in line. yes, i'm not for open borders and open immigration. there has to be a legal process. when they get here, i see them working in construction, working as roofers, doing lawn care, i see them cutting lawns. someone recognizes that they are appreciated. they are a problem at the

border, they are great fodder on fox news. we got off the interstate yesterday. we were stopping for lunch. there was a guy standing at the corner as we see all the time. he's got a sign. i've got no job, i've got kids at home. when we stop to eat, there was a hispanic lady who had gotten up and went to work that morning that handed out our food. let's not fool ourselves. host: let's go to steve in south carolina on the republican line. >> good morning. almost every point has been made that i would mention. what i really want to talk about

is sanctuary cities. i live next to one. the schools are bursting at the seams already. at one point, your child will be in manufactured housing. that's going to happen. fentanyl will find its way through the teenagers. our city next-door to me as a sanctuary city by default. there are not enough ice agents. the local police aren't going to do it. it's just not enough resources to deal with the problem. it becomes a breeding ground, even though people aren't felons. it becomes a breeding place for crime. a lot of the immigrants become part of the underground economy, the cash society.

they get paid by cash. let's put that aside. they are easy targets for other criminals who will rob them. they don't report it to the police because they are going to be discovered. they are scared to report it. host: linda is in texas. caller: good morning. i'm tired of these people saying i'm for legal immigration but not for all of these border problems. guess what? it's in our constitution. it says asylum-seekers can come here and apply for asylum. if they want that change, they need to get a constitutional amendment. they keep saying that democrats

think there is a problem and democrats aren't doing anything. democrats are the only ones coming up with any type of legislation to try and change the problems we are having. every administration has had down there. the only reason trump had less problems with the border was because we had a public health law that he could install with covid. it barred people from coming across the border. they think these other countries don't have border problems. we helped create the south american problem. germany doesn't have a wall around its country. it's just ridiculous. host: next, we are going to albany, georgia. caller: good morning.

thank you so much for c-span. i really am amazed on a blessed sunday. we have through our history with immigration brought in many people. this is hispanic month. i recall going over with graduate students last week about a 1962 program will we brought in over 14,000 unaccompanied cuban children whose parents were apart of the -- batista was in cuba prior to castro. he is bridging this stunt to use venezuelans as colombians.

what is 50 people and you have -- you migrated with a program, cubans who vote primarily republicans in florida now. i remember back in the day when families who came in -- host: let's go to john. caller: i'm here. do you hear me? the point is, we have a senate race and governors race going on in florida. the republican party are the ones that complain about the e-verify system. i did not see them pass a system that would intersect without enable to create the network so we could not hire people.

i just put a roof on my property in florida. i had an entire group. this is a caucasian, white roofing company. the entire group of workers were from -- they were hispanic. host: we are going to move on to john in new york. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. the topic today is gop governors sent migrants to democratic areas. it took this long for this topic to come front and center in the washington post, the new york times, be front and center on the washington journal. this is been going on for since biden was elected president.

we've had 2 million people coming across our borders. we haven't discussed it until ron desantis and abbott sent a couple of busloads to new york city. they don't have a wall around martha's vineyard. they kicked them out within two or three days of arriving there. they didn't have any housing for these people. they didn't have any resources. they could have got resources from the state of massachusetts. now, the liberal media and you have a stack of newspapers there. i bet you can't find one article within those stacks of

newspapers on your desk that has anything good to say about the republican party or republican governors. every article in that newspaper puts the republican party a negative way. host: next is tina in kansas city. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. greg abbott and ron desantis, what they did was really terrible. when trump was in office, he said he would build a wall and mexico would pay for it. that never happened. they said nothing. they also had taken money from republicans to finance it. to stop all of these so-called

illegals from coming. that never happened. they were quiet. they said nothing. this is so they can try to score political points, knowing it's an election year. that is shameful. we can see through it. thank you for taking michael. host: before we go to more calls, we do have our c-span archives. you can find past discussions on the immigration issue. we often have guests representing both sides of the issue. let's go to texas on the independent line. caller: the previous collars have spoken to the intelligence community and we have a bunch of problems here.

we have an enormous amount of corruption. it's within the banking sector, the federal banking commission, the fbi. it's effective against anyone who needs bring policy. it's very harmful. i've been under the scrutiny of treason. there's no way out of it. host: steve is in texas. you are on. caller: everybody is making these people coming. are you telling me that the baltic states, iraq, afghanistan, all those countries are better people than we are? if they are seeking political

asylum, why can't we do it every other country they are fleeing oppression. let them come over here, get other countries to accept them. that way we don't face anything. they just want to be safe. they can go to other countries. host: let's go to north dakota. caller: can you hear me? host: go ahead. caller: as far back as i can remember, we need this help in our country. we need it for agriculture. we needed to plant trees on all of the burned areas. we've got more corruption with

our politicians and it's coming across the border. not everybody is bad that's coming across. a lot of them have to applied for citizenship. it takes 10 years. it takes too long to process these people in the first place. we've got to do something about the corruption in our own government for we can try to do something with another government. these people are cruel. they don't care about children. they don't care if they've got anything. why don't they pack up some of these politicians and send them

to the middle of the desert and say find your way until you know right from wrong. if you think lying is bad and stealing is bad, you were on the right track. we are losing our democracy. host: next up, we have john in virginia on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. there are a lot of racial innuendos. i am it independent. a lot of democratic colors are assuming people are automatically hispanic and they are working agriculture. secondly, there is a big difference between immigration and illegal immigration. i have properties in florida. i applaud with the governor did.

they were not migrants. that person would go to an embassy. that's what you are required to do. being from virginia, i had a family member who passed away due to covid-19. no one was able to see that family member in the hospital. our governor took in over 400 afghan refugees without following the requirements for americans to fly into virginia. these people were allowed access to medical care. it is because we see a double standard of laws put in place for americans to follow that

people don't have to follow. all these people were calling about republican and democrats. it is a fact of people coming to this country legally. host: next up is bob in tyler texas on the republican line. caller: i hope you can hear me ok. happy constitution week. every school in the country is supposed to have a program on the constitution. none of them have a program. it is our lack of knowledge of the constitution that allows this problem to happen. the only written guarantee in the constitution is article four. it was the purpose of the

constitution which was expressed in the preamble, provide for the common defense. protect each of them from invasion. anybody who is aiding the violation of the only written guarantees and the purpose of the constitution needs to be impeached and prosecuted. they are violating. host: sandra is in philadelphia on the democratic line. you are up. caller: we have all of these signs in the windows about they need people to work.

why can't we just put these people to work? they are being murdered. it's horrible. we are a country that says immigrants can come here. we don't have enough people to work to get these emigrants approved. we have people like the governors. i don't see any sense in this. we've got all of these job openings and nobody to fill them. why can't we have those immigrants and put them to work so they can make their own living. host: next up is mobile, alabama. go ahead. caller: good morning. my great-grandparents were immigrants. they came into new york.

all the brothers and sisters died of tuberculosis. this hasn't been mentioned this morning, the strong undercurrent from new mexico to texas and alabama. the same old ugly image of the anti-catholic bigotry. these people are brown skinned, they are predominantly catholic christians. you see the miracles on the backs of their trucks had i talked to the children, they are just delighted that they are catholic christians. i have worked with these people. these are extraordinarily hard-working, good people who truly want to be americans. there is another part no one is talking about, the military cannot recruit anybody.

young people are obese, they have criminal records, they can't it into the military. the military is 18% latin hispanic people. these people are lean, ready to fight. we need them. the people's republic of china, the army has 2.5 million members. the rocket force, these are motivated people. these are our enemies. i've talked to these people from honduras and guatemala. they are proudly american. they have the same drive and motivation our forefathers had. one of the side points not being mentioned, 100 million americans have been slaughtered in the womb. we have approximately 30 million

people who are here illegally. from largely the south of the border. we are making up for this huge loss of americans -- host: we are going to have to move on. diane in pennsylvania. caller: thank you for taking my call. my theory is this. with sanctuary jurisdictions i support any jurisdiction that is not a sanctuary jurisdiction to have all these people relocated. if this is such a benefit to society, they should thrive in

the places. i don't understand why martha's vineyard didn't find someplace there. i don't understand it. host: next is mike in virginia. caller: please give me some time. desantis -- he should be indicted. they don't want to solve it, they want to use it as a cultural issue. we do not have open borders. we have fencing at the border. we have surveillance. we have border agents.

he deported 1.2 million people. we have 3.5% unemployment. i just replaced my roof. the people were guatemalan who replaced it. people who cut might treat, they were from guatemala. the contractor who hired them is white. why don't we want immigrants? we need workers. we cannot find them. it doesn't make any sense. republicans want to use it as a cultural issue. we do -- host: let's ring up phil in

florida on the independent line. caller: good morning. how are you? good morning. my thing is the choice of words. when we first opened up with the press secretary, she cited some of the articles in the major newspapers. the people crossing the borders illegally are uniformly being referred to as migrants and not illegal immigrants. it was very noticeable. i think we are going to continue to see that through the media. whether you agree with the laws on the books or not, they need to be enforced until changed.

it's a lot easier to feel sorry for someone that is called a migrant as opposed to an illegal immigrant. i think we need to notice this and challenge it. the other c-span hosts are referring to these people as migrants. maybe that could be a topic. host: the migrants that were taken from texas to martha's vineyard are asylum-seekers from venezuela. they would not be considered illegal immigrants because asylum is something that people are legally allowed to claim from commonest countries like venezuela. let's go now to robert in georgia. caller: hello? host: go ahead. caller: good morning.

i am calling to say the united states of america is a big place. why can't we just help our neighbors? we are all immigrants. a lot of us have no choice. what i see is these white governors, desantis and abbott, they are about racism. they want america to be white. no diversity at all. that's not going to happen. if they would get the racist beliefs out and act more christian, they always talk about they are christian. this country was founded on immigrants. immigrants are hard-working

people. i note. i have seen it. i know, i see. president trump, he had immigrants working for him all the time. so when it is them, it is good, and when it is not, it is not good. a lot of americans, they help put food in the groceries, so that is all i have to say. host: up next, we will be joined by syndicated columnist and president of the center for urban renewal and education. the washington bureau chief discusses his book american psychosis: a historical investigation of how the republican party went crazy. we will be right back.

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what is the center for urban renewal and education and tell me how you get your funding. guest: we policy institute. we work on all of the native issues. we fight poverty. one does research, one dozen media, and a weekly television show, and one of our programs is clergy. we work with pastors in those zip codes across the country to help them move their communities from government dependency into prosperity. our funding comes from individuals, no government whatsoever. we have 10 full-time team members. host: do you have any organizations that support you beyond individual people? guest: we have very closely allied groups and other national policy anchors, but no, we are

an independent organization so all of our donations are nonprofit. we have a few smaller donations that help our work as well. host: -- senator lindsey graham's announcement where he outlined a federal abortion ban, what was your role in crafting that legislation and why do you think 15 weeks of the right cutoff? guest: we played no role in crafting that legislation. we research and study and we look at the impact of abortion on the black immunity as we are personally pro-life for the last 30 years. i've actually spoken on more than 300 banquets to help them raise the funding they need in their local areas to work with women in crisis. it was an honor to be invited to participate as senator graham decided to drop a bill, not in isolation, but because the

democrats have already tried to make a national effort. we are then going to discuss abortion in the individual states, but because this administration is so invested in abortion, they determined that they were going to make national news about it and start putting forth bills. and even racism and anti-black in their rhetoric to pass legislation here in washington, d.c. while people in the states were trying to sort through this crime against humanity and what we should do about it when that came down, it got rid of 50 years of policy that was forced on a society when it comes to abortion. many of us believe it is a crime against immunity and we should not be doing it at any time. so the fact that senator grant said 15 weeks i think is consistent with what rolled out in the mississippi case. at 15 weeks we know that there is pain, we know that there is heartbeat. we as a nation should have a

discussion about abortion and i think as they saw that the democrats were investing not just in promoting abortion on a national level, but also to interrupt what was going on in the state for making abortion the number one issue when it came to 2022 elections, so i was very honored to be selected as a part of that group. to stand there and say we are not going to allow one side of the discussion when it comes to abortion. host: we are going to get to some of your calls in just a moment. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. before we get to some of your calls, we want to bring out that

this week, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was asked about senator grams of arson ledges nation and we want to hear his response. >> the 15 week abortion ban, which you put this on a vote or would you commit to --? >> you will have to ask about it. in terms of scheduling, i think most of the members of my conference preferred that this be dealt with at a state level. >> with regards to the abortion issue, do you feel like republicans -- democrats are kind of controlling the issue right now with saying that your grandmother had more rights than you? you feel like republicans need to do a better job at listening to americans? >> i think every republican senator running this year in these contested races as an

answer as to how they feel about the issues. and it may be different in different states. i will leave it up to our candidates who are quite capable of handling this issue to determine for them what their response is. host: we just heard from senator mcconnell, as you mentioned, a lot of republicans think this is something that should be left up to the states. you mentioned that with the initial reaction for many conservatives at the ruling. so what changed? why is the national ban like senator graham propose necessary? >> we think it necessary because democrats have been incredibly extreme and what they are trying to ask year in washington regarding the origin. it was made a national our before they can take place in the state. but let's be clear. when we are talking about human life, this is a very personal

decision that women have been making in our country, but what we haven't been able to do for the last 50 years is have discussion about what this really means when we are talking about killing an innocent inside of the womb. we've done this before, we had a crime against humanity when it came to slavery in the country and we saw similar activities, court decisions, state conditions. at the end of the day, the american people should be allowed to discuss do we think that we should as a civil society exterminate children in the womb? host: before i move on to some calls, can you briefly say where you are on the abortion issue yourself? do you think it should be allowed to a certain point, do you think there should be exceptions, the life of the mother, or if the infant is not viable? guest: i am 100% antiabortion. many of the comparisons were to the european countries.

when you begin to look at what is happening in the african countries, the south american countries, they don't want abortion at all. it is being forced on them. one thing that we find consistent on the impact of abortion on the black community is parenthood. they have been consistent with the founding mission which was to limit the size and scope of black and brown people in our society. she was a eugenicist, she did not believe that black people should be able to children, so she wanted to control those populations. democrats want to interject race. when you think about how many of these clinics are in black communities and latino communities and what is really, really incredible is that now, black people have had more debts at the hands of abortion then people that were alive during the 60's 20 million. we need to have this discussion.

we cannot wait for democrats to demagogue it and start interjecting race to pretend that this is not tied to the founder of planned parenthood. host: let's go to some of your calls now. we will start with john in mechanicsville, new york on the republican line. you are on. caller: thank you. i was just going to say what you just said a second ago about planned parenthood in the black community. in the inner cities, liberals, they project this mentality where the african-american community in the cities and around the country are able to take care of themselves so they have to provide guidance. i think of a statistic, 18

million unborn black babies, their lives have been terminated since planned parenthood started. i don't have that statistic in front of me, i can't verify, and i would apply the term genocide. guests: what we are finding is about 20 million. remember, planned parenthood started long before roe v. wade became national law, but our society says we should keep certain population groups low. that we do not want massive production. pastors and community leaders say that abortion is a good idea to alleviate poverty and it is unfortunate that many african-americans have gotten into it. many women who are regretful for what we have bought into, but were absolutely right.

we have roe v. wade as national law. this has really, really hurt african-american progress in the country. host: let's go now to connie in pennsylvania on the democratic line. caller: good morning, and thank you very much. there is something you forget. it is called choice. it is choice. you keep saying demanding people have abortions. it is a personal choice for a woman and her doctor and her pastor. no one is pushing abortion on anybody. it is a woman's choice. and you should not be standing in the way of a woman. besides that, you are the one bringing up race. you brought up race since he started talking about this. the democrats aren't bringing up

race, you are. you are bringing it up because you are trying to change the narrative. i think you are wrong and this is going to backfire. goodbye. guest: the bill that the democrats pushed through the house have language in their that was very offensive to pretend that -- trying to limit abortion. choice loses meaning if it doesn't matter what you choose. and i'm telling you, from an african-american female perspective, this is not just generally, it is personal for me as well. the fourth time i went into one of those so-called safe, legal clinics i had a gut instinct that there has got to be something wrong with killing your offspring. at that time i made a decision personally that i was not going to kill what was such a blessing, a miracle to be able to even get pregnant and then to have a child. once i have that first child, i

ended up on welfare and then i was able to do a christian conversion and totally change my life. here is what has happened. we don't look at what has been promoted through the left, through the liberals. messaging like we just heard saying it is about choice. the messaging is focused toward these specific communities who are now looking into what happens when we have abortion. what happens when you have family collapse? you have disengaged people. aunt disengaged people had created for our society 8700 broken zip codes where people are struggling. choice loses all meaning if it doesn't matter what you choose and as a society, we need a moral compass on who we are supposed to be. we are not talking about women alone, we are talking about humanity. they have a responsibility now to bring that humanity fourth. host: our next caller is

kathleen. marilyn, on the independent line. [indiscernible] >> all about choice. about getting health care for people. responsible choices about what you should do with your life and your situation. because everyone cannot afford to have a baby. who is going to take care of these babies when they come out? who is going to do that? guest: the mom does that, or the dad. this is why we need to have a

national discussion about marriage and the collapse of marriage but only talk about planned parenthood being about choice, i mean it planned parenthood that his counsel he pregnancy care centers. planned parenthood counseling making sure that it not available to women developing in their womb. why is it that every time we have a situation were we can see inside an abortion clinic, saving baby parts that women would see on a shelf and they would come in for their so-called health care or the abortions that just past and they found all of those dead babies in his yard in indiana and illinois. why are we hearing the feminists in the women's movement say perhaps we should have some type of look into what we have been doing? this is the ninth hour, ninth month insistence that we are not going to allow women any other information. planned parenthood is in the abortion business and there are a billion-dollar company in the abortion business and they force

taxpayers to give them money so that they can then continue with the boarding mostly though that are black and brown. host: let's bring up chester in dayton, ohio on the democratic line. caller: good morning, c-span. my problem is when abortions are illegal, it goes under -- is illegal, it goes underground, and women die. not just the ladies, but the women, too. i grew up in the 70's. i remember before roe v. wade. women died. the baby dies, and so does the woman. come on. what is civilized about that? thank you. guest: women are dying in abortion clinics. it is really interesting to hear these discussions.

if women cannot be responsible with their sexual energy. this is incredible that we've bought into this life that we cannot control ourselves. that we need abortion because we are so reckless in our behaviors that we are going to have to kill the child. but do we want to kill it legally or illegally? it is really interesting because ohio is where we have seen so many women dying because of abortion. abortion is the only medical procedure in air country that is 100% unregulated at any point. this is a discussion and i'm very thankful that we've been given this opportunity to have these discussions now. this does not belong in national. this belongs to the american people to say who are we going to be? and as president biden keeps reminding us, this election season is for the soul of america.

yes, abortion is part of that discussion because for us to be looking at 68 million dead babies, we are talking 40 million women who are now struggling through the reality of their lives. we are talking maybe 30 million women struggling because we have allowed as a society for abortion to continue. we need to have the national discussions about the civil war. host: you just mentioned president biden so i want to broaden the conversation just a little bit. i want to read and excerpt that you wrote about president biden. in part you wrote "biden performance in philadelphia, that big speech and democracy in philadelphia, bidens performance in philadelphia -- contrived because polling shows that donald trump is a polarizing figure. democrats want to focus attention on him rather than what they are about what those

identify with maga really want. the inflection point is whether america will be secular, socialist, and woke or a free nation under god as conceived by its founders. can you tell me a little bit more what you mean by that? what do you mean by "woke america?" guest: we are any cultural struggle as we are going to be as a nation and we are either going to be biblical and free or we are going to be secular state. we are going to be so out of control that we as individuals should make the right decisions, having the government there to protect our interests, not to plunder our interests and not to set woke policy that creates an environment for people to do whatever they want to do anytime they want to do it. this is where we are having the discussions.

this is where we are hoping that it doesn't intensify so that left or right pulls us all into a civil conflict but we are at that critical point. there is one thing that president biden has made clear, that he understands that we are in a struggle for the soul of america. the challenge for many of us is that that struggle from his perspective is supposed to be secular. the government is the answer to everything and there is no room then for religion, religious people, and there are many in the heartland in quiet communities, decent people that are fed up with the control of washington, d.c. host: the president to the center of urban -- education. we are taking your calls. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independent, you can call (202) 748-8002.

next up we have jeffrey in greensboro, north carolina, on the independent line. caller: yes, good morning, thank you for taking these calls. this is a very interesting and strong topic. first of all, thanks so much for the information and i thank you for this program. the issue of choice should be brought on the individuals. there was so much when you brought up abortion about african-americans, the placement of these clinics and communities. looking back at it, she is right on that. there are circumstances in our communities that people of color are in dire situations. that maybe one reason why a young african-american woman

maybe put in a position to have to take that stand. it is so much politically now that ties into it because the supreme court makes a judgment, another administration comes in. so chaotic. and then she talked about the millions and billions of dollars from the services and where it would have gone back into the communities of color. and then the slavery situation, that really touched a nerve. we've been destroyed since the beginning of this supposedly great nation. my whole 50 years on this earth has never been about pain and struggle and being denied and being judged and singled out

because of the color of my skin. you are worth, whatever god has given you to passionately. a better foundation for our family, because we are losing our family due to poverty, abortion, struggle, mental health. host: got your point. let's get our cast time to respond. guest: a couple points i want to make, and thank you for this call. this is what c-span is about and i appreciate the opportunity for us to have these discussions. one, the surprise that a court can overturn a prior decision. this happens all the time throughout history. when you think about the brown versus the board of education decision, it was an overturn of

plessy v ferguson. plessy said separate but equal. brown said no. you think about dred scott, moving in and out of free states, that is when the court said you know what, you are a slave. you are a property, you don't have a right. when you think about roe v. wade and dred scott and you take the names off of these documents and read the details verbatim, about property, ownership, this is not human. anyway, court decisions change all the time. but poverty, it is really clear. this is the disingenuousness of most of the representatives on the democrat side. anything that breaking the cycle of poverty, you finish school, you get married, then you birth children. you save money and you get back

to your community. and is really fascinating, some organizations during covid when we had the first incident where we then saw all of the racial tensions arise in all of the cities, put billboards in front of our hardest neighborhoods because we know that everything is broken. we work very closely in these neighborhoods to try to fix what is broken down. the main thing that is broken down his marriage. in the 60's, you had almost 70% of black husbands in their homes with their wives raising children's. it is now reversed after the damage. our marriage has collapsed to the point that we have 30% of adults married. so of course you are going to have children that just don't know what to do with their lives. so we put these billboards up in our hardest neighborhoods where we knew that the schools were broken, the communities broken, the families broken. are you tired of poverty? you take any job and work harder than the person about you, get

married. black lives matter demanded to take those billboards down. they said take them down or we are going to burn them down. this is the discussion we are having here in washington and why we are so adamant that since these issues were thrown back to the states, that we can have discussions not just about abortion, but about marriage, because that is why you are seeing this. it starts with poverty and other implications as a result of that one thing telling our offspring. host: houston, texas, republican line. caller: thank you. and thank god for you, star parker. you are a blessing to this nation. and i know that you will be attacked, but don't ever give up. back to this abortion issue, i get so tired of hearing i have a choice about my body. you had a choice before you lay

down and got pregnant. i'm almost 90 years old and back then, we didn't abort our children in the black community and none of us starve to death. when a girl got pregnant when i was younger, she was sent away and within a year she came back home and had a baby, but this girl went on with her life. we have changed that. we are killing too many of their babies. in all of abortion clinics, they are kept in close proximity to black communities. we are killing our babies. and you can't tell me that god is satisfied with this. we need to stop killing our babies. i have a choice with my body. but you have a body inside of you that you have a choice also. that body inside of you should have a choice to live. i am a believer that these

children will not starve to death. they didn't starve to death when i was a girl. and it was back in the day that in this nation, we have got to go back to god. guest: we have got a live. and the lie has continued and the democrats have promoted this lie in black communities that has hurt us deeply and now they want to force the conversation. she is absolutely right. we did not, as a people, kill our babies. and now we are wondering why we have crises with our young men? when you think about the lies that we have broad, not just the lies of abortion, but the lives of -- there is nothing throughout the black community, a live in all of our men are criminals, all of our men need social justice because of these things. but when you really look at the

data, we are a think tank in washington. there are more young black men in college than prison, but we don't hear that. we think they all are the same and it is democrats that keep pushing this narrative. number one, we've got to stop allowing others to convince us that our children are a human weed and have been killed off. more than 20 million african-americans in this country in the 60's when the civil rights effort changed to sign into law. and now we are looking at 20 million? when you think about success, the gentleman mentioned earlier about poverty and what has america done for us? america has established a nation, the first in the history of the world and anyone from any background, any situation whatsoever can get out of it. but when you think about the success, you struggle, and then

you move into sustainability, and then you move into success. we are moving up that track and then we started killing off those investors, as entrepreneurs to get us to the next steps, from just being income. at one point, we had trillion dollars in income. but when it comes to net worth, we have killed off though that we were to pass to. host: how can you refute the studies and statistics that they abortion itself is an economic engine that with less access to abortion, particularly black women will have less economic opportunity and it could limit their ability to make money because if you have to take care of a child that perhaps you were not ready for, that it could limit you? that is what a lot of the statistics say. how do you wrestle with that?

guest: i don't wrestle with it. i know that what will happen is we will adjust ourselves. we would have a whole lot of women cold mom and a whole lot of grand moms called grandma and as a nation, we would work through that. we always have. but what we will also begin to see his marriage. marriage will begin to occur again. we have broken down marriage because when you are sexually available, marriage doesn't necessarily occur and the challenge with women not controlling their sexual impulses and marriage before they do get sexually involved is that these men are the one that loose track of time. marriage is a social stabilizer. yes, we will have a time of change in our society, and this is one of the reasons it is fascinating that we as a country should wrestle with our pregnancy care centers. there are about 5000 across the country, in every community. they do incredible work, they

have for years and years. many states are now working directly with them to try to help this transition. this is something that did not just happen lately. there was not that infrastructure. but one thing we didn't do as he love the colors point out, we didn't kill our kids. yes, we have sources available in every community. we have people that say i can't do this by myself. you don't have to. they don't have to do it by themselves. host: more calls for star parker. decatur, georgia, independent line. color: good morning, ladies. very interesting topic, very important topic. the so-called right, i don't think they are right, but they are 1000% against abortion. i am against abortion 1000%, but i think we are so hypocritical,

the word abortion, how come we don't use the words -- why would anyone wants to kill a family member? this is your family member. why would we want to kill a future family member? nobody wants to kill a future family member. but we use the word abortion. and another thing, health care. the average cost of raising a baby is $5,681. with you kill a child for $75,000? we don't want universal health care. 1.5 million homeless children? and 1000% i am against abortion but it is so hypocritical because they just throw them away. i mean the republicans, they are mainly doing it by health care.

they fight increasing wages, a fight that. minimum wage, they fight everything that helps the child. but in the womb, we are going to fight for the baby. a future family member. who wants to kill a future family member? that is what he does, he incites folks. >> the area of health care is what i want to address. in particular, what the caller is discussing. when we talk about control over our health care, this is a problem for all society that attempt to do this. the discussion from the republicans or what you call the right is should we have a market-based system? what we know about market-based systems in any area is prices come down. when you have government interject itself, prices stay high. when you look at any one of our zip codes where health care is a disaster, access to quality care

is a disaster, the common denominator is the government controls the system. when you see health care working with people, that is why the suburbs have a much better health rate, better success rate when it comes to helping people get through the health care. when it comes to this issue of fighting mandates, one of the reasons republicans fight union mandates is because when you have a middleman in any business, prices stay high. when you remove the middleman, you give people opportunity, the right to work at whatever wage they desire, the market, they control those wages and prices come down but wages go up. host: let's go to barbara in virginia on the democratic line. caller: good morning. first of all, i would like to ask this person what is the

information that planned parenthood is selling body parts? second of all, you talked about health care. she needs to read the spaces she represents, that is the reason why they have no health care. thank you. guest: actually i work in washington, d.c. on public policy on a national level but what we do is we try to remove government barriers so that people can live free. we want to decrease government dependency and most of our most complicated zip codes. so when it comes to the question about where is the proof about planned parenthood selling body parts, there is an investigation in california where people took planned parenthood and revealed that they were actually selling body parts. now, one question that we perhaps will get to any post-roe v. wade world is that we should

find out what does happen to all of the fetal tissue left on site. i think that one of the reasons we really need to have that discussion is because of chemical abortions. 60% now of women are taking pills and flushing their babies down the toilets. what we need to do is have a discussion about what this is doing to the environment and to our planet. there is proof. i can't point exactly where it is. i do know that it did happen and that kamala harris is making sure that investigative reporters are in court because of their investigations for planned parenthood as a corrupt billion-dollar industry. host: portland, oregon on the republican line, you are on. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. what i wanted to say is first of all, a woman's body or a man's body is not their body, it is

god's body that he gave to them. and there are five options other than abortion. you can have celibacy, and operation that the baby is going to be taken out of the mother and it will be taken care of at the hospital. there are protections for men and women. and there is adoption. i mean, i don't understand. abortion, abortion. there are five other options. guest: we as a society must talk about this crime against humanity. there is a person in the womb then yes, we should consider that that person has protection.

the fact that we are having this discussion is a good thing because we have not had this discussion in years. when people talk about the laws that change in the states, those were the laws in those states prior to interjecting roe 10 making this a national issue of taking away the state's opportunities to say what they want to do when it comes to abortion. personally, i want to end it. by support of laws and other types of things that were passed to limit slavery from being as abusive as it could be, of course. going back to your original question about senator graham, do i like 15 weeks? of course i don't. i think we should be responsible with our sexual decisions. it is very difficult to do, but i think it should be done because now we are talking the life of an innocent. we are talking about does someone really own someone else and agree that they have a choice to interrupt? the reason it is called abortion, backed one of the

previous callers, is because were interrupting a pregnancy. if this is allowed to continue, there would be a child. and at the last color pointed out, we do have other options available. adoption is an option. but so is parenting, so his marriage and parenting in that marriage. host: one more time, let me go back to the broader political issue of campaign 2022. when president biden made that speech on democracy, he tried to delineate between maga republicans and the entire republican party. do you agree with him? do you think there is a delineation? what was your reaction to that? do you support a president trump candidacy in 2024? guest: do i think that the interjection of fear and intimidation that president biden is trying to do to split

the republican party, do i think that is going to be effective? the jury is still out. most americans are incredibly concerned about the last two years under his leadership. they are concerned about the prices, concerned about the border, concerned about inflation, concerned about covid, what is happening in their schools. a lot of potential on what is broken down in our society. who should we have represent us in 2022? i am not surprised that the president would try to interject fear and intimidation but moderate republicans are different from what you might call established republicans. ronald reagan says if you are with me on 80% i am with you as well because the alternative is worse in have seen the worst. host: let's go to howard in georgia on the independent line. caller: good morning.

yes, i just wanted to talk about the potential of the child that is murdered. and i use the word murdered because when my girlfriends -- wife, now -- was 16, we got pregnant and i elected to advise her have that child -- no matter what any other people in the country said, that child became a minister of god and a united states marine and a counselor in the marine corps. so if she had got rid of that, murdered that child, then god would not have been pleased with her and he is not pleased with many of these women and that father to murder that child because god has a plan for all of those babies. host: your final thoughts? guest: god does have a plan for all of their lives and i think that is one of those things that

is lost in both of these discussions. the gift of life is a great miracle and any woman that has that opportunity to bring forth a child into the world should be blessed in that opportunity. whoever has decided to tell her otherwise told us about choice, convenience, poverty, and far too many bought into it. now we are on the recovery side. there is hope and forgiveness for all of those women that have had abortions in all of those women that in the future will become moms. host: we have been talking this morning to start parker, a columnist and president of the center for urban renewal and education. thank you so much for talking with us. in the net at the top of the hour, we have david -- discussing his book "american psychosis: a historical investigation of how the republican party went crazy."

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republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. first up, let's talk to jessica in wichita, kansas on the democratic line. you are on. caller: good morning. i am just -- about the abortion thing, i feel like it should be my body, my choice, especially with someone like me, who has autism and what about crimes like rape and all of that? i think we needed to put donald

trump in prison a long time ago. there is so much evidence already and i think it is ridiculous that the party has insisted it is a lie. it is just ridiculous. i feel like people forget about this guy. thank you. host:host: next caller in aurora, indiana on the republican line. caller: on the abortion, this lady, what if joseph and mary had decided they wanted --

because he was not the husband, mary didn't have sex to get pregnant and god knows -- today. host: next up, our next caller is christopher in nashville, tennessee on the independent line. caller: i will try to take a practical approach. especially in times of teaching, polarizing. i do believe that people have the right to keep them safe in a certain timeframe, -- anything in this world. i believe a person should have freedom of choice.

host: next up is fran in mobile, alabama on the democratic line. caller: thank you. my comments have to do with statements that were made by the previous guest. america is thinking about pro-life and it troubles me that people speak about pro-life -- as one caller previously said, just in the womb. yet she can support a man who said that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and he would not lose any supporters. i mean, what is pro-life? also as far as pro-life, i don't see any of these pro-life people when i was a person who worked in child protective services. i saw none of these pro-life

persons coming. these children were placed in foster care from abuse and neglect. we never saw any of them coming to a safe and happy home. the hypocrisy needs to stop. pro-life is more than just in the womb. let's get some advocates for them. thank you. host: next caller is in south carolina on the republican line. go-ahead. caller: i've been listening to your last collar and i agree with a lot of the points that she made. i want to speak about one thing she said. she kind of points the blame at president biden about tipping the divide on the republicans. i think that happened a long time ago.

this whole nuance of rino. the whole country has gone away from political parties and is divided. i think if we could get back to that. i'm deliberately leaving out my personal faith position when it comes to government and abortion and all these things because i just want folks to stop finding arguments to support your position and just look at it for what it is. and in the case of abortion, it is simple to me at the other caller said. you have choices to make before you get to the choice of ending a creation that you had no ability to create on your own. make those choices ahead of time. and then when it comes to caring for the children later, it is all part of the choice. i have six children.

i am an african-american male, serve this country for 31 years, and i made some choices based off of what my parents told me to do. not with the government told me to do. and they were largely democratic, but they were conservative democratics. i think we've gone so far away from our core values because we've gone so far away from god that we can't see right from wrong now. we can just see what makes us feel good and that is what is driving our division. thank you. host: elizabeth, indiana, democratic line. caller: the reason that i've called is because your previous speaker, ms. parker put out a lot of misinformation. i fear that she may be disseminating disinformation on purpose but i don't want to

actually accuse her of that. i would like to ask that she review her material and examine where she is coming up with many misleading statements about the reality of the situation. i would also like to ask that congress and the senate passed laws about truthful information, misinformation, and the dissemination of disinformation because this is the primary dividing factor, the dissemination of disinformation which is causing division america. truth, there is only one truth. anything else is misinformation and disinformation. and if congress and the senate don't address this soon, i don't see how we can recover or become unified. thank you. host: next up we have william from massachusetts on the independent line. go ahead.

caller: i've been really upset about the refugee problem. i think other people should look this up. -- active 1980. i think if you read that, -- was going on. host: and next call is walter in st. petersburg, florida on the republican line. >> thank you very much for having me. there is not a day that goes by that i'm not thankful that my mother had me and not a day that doesn't go by that i am thankful that my father got up every day, went to work and provided for me and was a role model. you should have star parker on

again, except she covered so many topics it was almost like my mind was going to explode. thank you very much for adding me, and god bless america. host: next up we have betty in fort worth, texas on the democratic line. >> good morning. she should have a right to do whatever she choose, that is between her and god. but we need to figure out why women are getting pregnant. it is not just the lady, it is the man. women don't get pregnant by themselves and make a decision. we have to stop it before it starts. talk to our boys, talk to our men.

women are being raped and that is why they end up having abortions. it is not right, put the emphasis on men. women should try to protect the young ladies they are going out with. ladies, protect yourselves. as far as the immigration situation, i do not see nothing wrong with inviting people to our country, but you should do it a little at a time. you should not have a big rush. we need to help everybody, and everybody needs to help us. that is all i have to say. host: our next caller is george in texas on the republican line. caller: good morning. the constitutional basis of roe v. wade has not ever been explained. that is just the way it is. it is based on the 14th

amendment. states are comprised of citizens . birth is required to be a citizen. if you want equal protection to be a citizen, you must be born. the statement stated a legitimate state interest in this issue. in lieu of a live birth requirement, substitute natural viability and potential for eminent birth and ability to survive that alito says the court did not explain. who would need to explain that to a supreme court justice? i have no idea. host: alright. that is going to wrap up our open forum for today. next is mother jones washington bureau chief david corn discussing his book "american psychosis: a historical investigation of how the republican party went crazy." we will be right back. ♪

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psychosis: a historical investigation of how the republican party went crazy." good morning, david. guest: good morning. host: let's start with the provocative title of this book, particularly your use of the word "crazy" to describe the republican party. why did you title your book this and why did you come to that conclusion? guest: let me go back to the title, which is psychosis. psychosis is a condition you are detached from reality. you do not recognize or accept reality. here i am talking about a political psychosis. the obvious manifestation are the millions of americans who believe the election was stolen by donald trump. we saw them ransack the capital right over there a year and a half ago. since then and before then, they continue to insist that joe biden is not president there was no legitimate election, and they adhere to a variety of i would

have to say crazy conspiracy theories about this. that china worked with venezuela to create ballots with satellites and the cia run out of italy to others. rudy giuliani said in arizona that they have no evidence. they have been saying this in an evidence for you, detached from reality situation. that psychosis, crazy is a more generic term for that. i do think there is a craziness in the republican party. you could even see it last night and these past few days when donald trump has come out and endorsed qanon. he has tweeted out a meme of him wearing a pin that is an endorsement of a conspiracy theory that says that the world,

the united states is being run by asa tannic cabal of sex traffickers and baby eaters -- a satanic cabal of sex traffickers and baby eaters. it is -- here you have the president of united states endorsing it in the past few days. he has played footsie with it here in the point of my book is this is not an aberration. it is nothing new. it is an escalation or intensification, but going back starting with mccarthyism 70 years ago in the 1950's and late 1940's, the republican party has always encouraged and exploited far right extremism. this has not been the totality of the party all this time. it has always been present. sometimes it has waxed and waned and gotten more intense and less intense.

some republican leaders have done more than others. it has always been part of the republican dna mso i think if we understand that history we can understand the present moment where you do not just have one republican leader endorsing coop -- q and on, you have the entire republican party endorsing the leader, who endorses qanon. mitch mcconnell said donald trump got the nomination again, he would support him. so i fellow out there saying he would possibly pardon hundreds of trump supporters who beat up and assaulted brutally the police officers up there is now the leader of the republican party and has its full and entire support. that is why i talk about crazy, psychosis, but it is all in this long historical context. host: we know you go back and we will talk more about that. what do you hope your book

contributes to the political conversation? what made you say this needs to be on the record in this way? guest: when i started this book a year and a couple months ago, i did not expect it to be as timely and relevant as it is. i think joe biden's speech a few weeks ago talking about the hold that maga extremism has around the party and donald trump's recent moves to endorse qanon has made it timely. i am a journalist. i have also written histories. i really do believe to understand any moment in time you need to see how you got there. to understand what to do in that moment in time, knowing how you got there is really important. some people believe you can kinda flip a switch and go back to the good old republican party of some golden days. i think if you read "american

psychosis," at least i hope you do, you will get the understanding that there was not a switch that was thrown. this was a continuation. the republican base has been radicalized and somewhat rep -- weaponized over a process of decades. if you are think about where we should go next, how can we have a country and democracy where 20%, 30%, whatever the number it is, does not believe in the legitimacy of elections, and now is in the grips of various, assorted conspiracy theories, what you do about that? if you see it building up to this, you can probably come up with better answers than if you think it just appeared out of nowhere. host: we will get to your calls in a moment. i want to remind you of the numbers. democrats, your number is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002.

before we go to some of those calls come i want to read an excerpt from your book got david. it says, in january 1962, william f buckley and other server luminaries met with barry goldwater at a floor to hotel and further discussed what to do about the birchers. goldwater was opposed to slamming the group. others wanted to excommunicate the birchers from the conservative movement. they announced the leader of the john burton society but not the society itself. the national review blasted the leader's views as car -- as far removed from common sense but called the john birch society a home of dedicated anti-communists. when goldwater ran for president , birchers donated and volunteered for him.

goldwater secure the nomination in 1960 four. that is an example you pulled out from the 1960's. tell us what you think that teaches us not just about how the republican party moved in this way but how it got us to where we are today. guest: it is interesting to me because you see barry goldwater, who was extremely conservative, the hero of the conservative movement and became a presidential nominee in 1960 four running against lyndon johnson, he is saying the birchers, the john birch society, a far-right groups, saying in essence that communists had taken over everything, the u.s. government, ptas, unions, corporations, churches. it was sort of like you and on without the baby eating. a lot of people in the republican party were worried they would be tainted by the

john birch society and its paranoia. here's goldwater cyan, there are some good people in it and some that we want to keep inside the republican tent because they are doorknocker's, volunteers, donating. it is votes. if you fast-forward to today, you can see that thinking in the republican party continued for decades. the tea party, john boehner embraced the tea party when the tea party was saying that barack obama cannot president at this point, was a secret socialist muslim who wanted to destroy the american economy so he could impose a totalitarian dictatorship. glenn beck was saying that every night on fox news and saying that barack obama wanted to set up concentration camps and death panels. john boehner sarah palin and other top republicans were going on that show and validating this type of nonsense and they

welcomed the tea party into their midst because they were votes and john boehner got elected house speaker because of tea party energy. it is a direct line from accepting it in 1964 to john boehner accepting the tea party in 2009 and 2010 to where we are today with donald trump saying to q, i am with you. host: first we have chuck in georgia on the republican line. caller: good morning. you were talking about the republican party being crazy p me give you a few things that normal american people think are crazy. you want to open the border here in the president says the border is secure, which is a lie. you want to defund the police, most of them did. you want to know for criminals. you want to shut off american energy. you want to the irs running

around with guns. you want abortion after nine months -- up to nine months, and you think republicans are crazy? look at that craziness going on. guest: it is sad for me to hear that because what we are talking about -- i will finish answering the question. a lot of what was just said there was disinformation. most democrats do not want to defund the police. there are some black lives matter activists who did call for that, but most democrats do not do that. right now, you hear the republicans attacking the fbi and law enforcement and the trump supporters beat up cops. they beat up cops and now trump wants to part of the people who did that. so that is not true. the bill that was passed that gave the arts -- irs more money does not send the irs around with guns to knock down doors, even though republicans are saying that.

no one wants to shut off american energy. biden is talking about transitioning to cleaner energy and having more energy. i do not know how to answer this. it does seem there is a conservative media echo system that puts out these memes and things. unfortunately, a lot of republicans and conservatives buy it and we cannot have a real conversation, a real debate. it is not about defunding the police. we have instances of police brutality and how do we make the police better? how do we help the police officers who need training and make the systems work? how do we have an energy system with a mix of energies and move to clean energy? you cannot have that conversation if someone is out there saying you do not believe in having energy and all you want to do is defund the police. these are conservative talking

points aimed at democrats to close debate. host: i'm glad you brought that up, because i wanted to ask you about concerns that disinformation or extremism makes it hard to govern, which i know is a point in your book. do you think that is the goal of it? do you think that is a byproduct? what you think is the solution? guest: we could spend a couple hours on this. that is a great question. basically, i think disinformation is there primarily to help the person putting it out retain power. that is the first, whether it is vladimir putin or donald trump. that is the first reason people use disinformation. then it gets to the issue -- if disinformation is having a tremendous influence on our

society overall, then it becomes harder to govern, to have the debates we need. i think there is an asymmetry in american politics. these are stereotypes, but in general democrats want to govern and legislate, look at our problems, and see what we can do together through the process of government to address these matters. a lot of republicans basically say, we do not want government. we want free market rule. we do not want regulations when it comes to pollution or environmental regulations or labor standards. we want to get rid of all of that. we want to make government as slow as possible. you are on your own. let things happen. something that will lead to the best society. if you have a society that believes that, they have an incentive to dismiss and discredit government.

they make it messy and ugly. that is great, because they do not want government to happen. so the democrats have this double burden of having honest, respectful debates and trying to get through policy solutions they want and you have some republicans, not all but some, saying, i just want to turn this into a mud fight. then people say washington cannot do anything and i win because i do not want washington to do anything. host: let's go to rebecca in california on the independent line. caller: good morning, everyone. tia, i want to welcome you to washington journal. host: thank you. caller: i wanted to make a comment to david. the whole country is suffering from psychosis. it is not just the republicans. he has to admit that the democrats are equally psychotic.

i know he is not going to want to hear this, but a trump ticket has a good chance of winning unless the democrats can throw a hail mary pass. trump has a real good chance of getting back in again. guest: ok. i'm not sure how independent she is, but nevertheless 1.i make in my book is i do not think the democrats are equally psychotic. right now, you have a republican party that is endorsing and following the leadership of donald trump, who has just endorsed the qanon conspiracy theory, who promoted a big lie that the election was not legitimate and was stolen from him. that is the basis of when i say the republican party has gotten somewhat crazy. marjorie taylor greene meeting with nazis, white supremacists, and the party has not disavowed

her or thrown her out. of course, she was using qanon theories before she got elected to the house of representatives. you cannot find democrats out there endorsing such extremism and using it as a fundamental platform to get elected, so i do not think -- you may not like their policies. you may think it is crazy to want to tax the wealthy and defend clean energy, to give people parental leave from work, sick leave that is paid. you may think it is crazy to have dental coverage added to medicare. that is not the crazy i am talking about. i talking about a party that has moved behind leaders and ideas that are detached from reality and easy to disprove and impossible to prove. host: next we have peter in new

jersey on the democratic line. you are on, peter. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to air a theory i have had for some time. that is that democrats seem to be better educated than republicans and because they are better educated they are easier acclimated to the challenges of the 21st century than republicans are. you can see that in the kind of specious logic used by a lot of trump supporters at these rallies. even in some of the media. what happens when you're not prepared to compete in the 21st century? you become frustrated with things you do not understand.

[indiscernible] this is just a theory i have. the frustration of not be able to compete is a lot of the movement toward radicalism. i would like to know if you agree with that and where you stand on it. guest: thanks, peter, from freehold, new jersey, the home of bruce springsteen. i think you brought up a lot of things that overlap. if we look at the essence of donald trump's movement, make america great again, it is in some ways america was once great and is no longer great. then you start thinking about what they mean by that. studies have shown a lot of concern that people had within his movement, his supporters,

has to do with changes in the demographics of america, its racial component and maybe how it is becoming a more youth-oriented society and that that has caused some resentment and also maybe how we have become a more secular society as well, so there are factors out there that have triggered concern amongst millions of americans. when donald trump comes along and says make america great again, the talc -- talk about a time when maybe it was not as great but was better for them or they think it was better for them. i do not know if it is associated that much with levels of education, but certainly trump at one point said, i lovely educated voters. if people are not paying close attention to facts and reality, it is easier to convince them of something that goes along with something they want to believe,

so again i'm harkening back to qanon, but if you are a highly educated person you cannot truly believe that there is a setanta cabal -- satanic cabal of baby eating people running the world and that donald trump is about to be restored as president and there will be mass arrests and live on tv executions. in some degree, education does play into this, but i think there might be deeper factors motivating people to believe in things i would say are crazy that they want to believe in. host: let's go to joe in tucson, arizona on the republican line. caller: let's talk about the big lie. you call yourself a journalist. you want to point out -- you want to point out the attack on the capital but you do not want to talk about the summer of love. you want to talk about all the police that got hurt but you do

not want to talk about all the police that got hurt during the summer of love. let's talk about this oppressing of hunter biden's laptop. if you were a journalist, you would have brought that up and america would have known about it a long time ago but you guys repressed it. i call that a stolen election when you guys are suppressing information about the hunter biden laptop. you guys called it false information. let me hear you now say that the first impeachment was based on a lie, sir. let me hear you say that the summer of love -- host: that will be enough from that caller. do you want to address anything he said? guest: it just makes me sad with this what about-ism. you talk about how donald trump

claims to be elected president when he was not and insisted on that fraud and sent a crowd he knew was armed toward the capital and i think this is -- you can take away everything else, but if you envision that donald trump sat for hours in the white house while the capital was being attacked and a mob of his supporters that he said go to the capital was trying to block the peaceful transfer of power and he did nothing, he did not pick up the phone, he did not call them to stop. he was commander-in-chief. it is his job to protect the country and constitution. he did nothing. i do not think in the history of presidents could you come up with a better example of the abandonment of duty. this caller, joe from tucson,

does not want to talk about that. he does not want to talk about the attempt to overturn the election and to thwart the justice department. he wants to say, look at black lives matter protests. he wants to talk about hunter biden's laptop. we can have conversations about those things individually, but you will not talk about what donald trump did and what the republican party supports and the use of violence for political means. whatever happened to black lives matter, it was not a plot. it was not something joe biden triggered to win an election or overturn an election. host: our next caller is terry on the independent line. caller: good morning current united states. i want to get on this guy here. the vice president and i do not know how many other democrats i

have heard are liars. they say the border is closed and secure. over 2 million people have come across the border and you keep lying about it because they there is nobody coming. what a bunch of liars. host: let's go to guy in maryland on the democratic line. caller: good morning, c-span. there was another book released the same day is yours. have you spoken to her fellow journalists -- your fellow journalist about the new book "fear"? guest: i saw it when it came out but he has been busy promoting his and i have been busy promoting "american psychosis." caller: i'm thinking from the title alone there will be some

overlapping topics. you want to comment on white fear, the broad topic? guest: i have not read his book because i have been busy finishing mine and promoting mine. i assume he has not gotten to mine either. one thing i do talk about in the thing i do talk about in the book, i trace the seven decades of the gop encouraging and exploding extremism. as part of that i include racism. i include the story in 1968 when richard nixon was trying to get the presidential nomination and he was worried about this guy named ronald reagan who had just been elected governor of california who was running a sort of stealth campaign for the presidential nomination. richard nixon, who in years previous had been a supporter of their publican party's relationship with black voters because black voters had been with the republicans for many years because of the legacy of

lincoln and the democrats in the south often allied with segregationists up to that point in time. in 68 nixon flips the switch and turns the tables and he cuts a deal with strom thurmond who is a segregationist white supremacist senator from south carolina and he basically notes to strom thurmond i will point conservative judges, oppose busing and make sure the over -- the vice president's running mate is acceptable to southern republicans, meaning -- if you support me against ronald reagan. and strom thurmond took that deal and nixon told his campaign manager at the time to make sure the seven delegates of the convention got the message under nixon presidency, these are his words, there would be no more

prone eager --. here's a guy instead of making egl -- a deal, he was making a deal with racists. i noted the republican party has made similar accommodations and of turned a blind eye, they accepted donald trump, birth tourism that he was pushing that barack obama was not born in this country. i believe was a racist conspiracy theory. having not read roland's book, i would say the notion i described , of a publican attraction with extremism and republican exploitation of racism. host: let's talk now to karen in alabaster, alabama on the republican line. caller: good morning. i'll talk about january 6.

not once did president trump say go into the capital and try to take over your the process pretty never said that. if you look on the video, capitol police inviting people into the capital. they invited them into it and there some people have been acquitted because they said they invited us in. but to this day what you neglect to include is in 2016 of the democrats said president trump wasn't duly elected. hillary clinton will say that was stolen from her by the russians. she was the one who started that whole thing and worked with the fbi to take trump out. guest: i didn't expect to feel sad this morning is much as i do. the amount of justification one has to engage in to look at what happened at the capitol and to

absolve trump of responsibility. he was told the crowd was armed, he knew the crowd was angry. he sent the angry mob crowd to the capitol and did nothing when he saw the beating, over 100 law enforcement officers. these people say they are in favor of cops. i don't understand how they can look at those pictures and say no big deal. it is stunning to me. these officers did not invite them in. they went over gates, the use flags as battering rams to get past the officers. they were not invited in. i don't know how you can look at the video of that in the new york times today great 40 minute long encapsulation in the document is that have come up since. we see the imagery and every

time i see it i feel enraged that they thought they were empowered to do this. donald trump sent them there. he did nothing. i don't know what else she said. there was no -- nobody in 2016 and the democratic leadership who said they wouldn't accept the results. they thought there was branch -- russian intervention putting a thumb on the scale for donald trump that had an impact. hillary clinton did not tell people to overthrow the government, did not plot to undo this and a final point of disinformation. the fbi investigation according to the justice department's own inspector general was not triggered by democrats or hillary clinton, it was started legitimately. this with the ig report says.

i don't know how we can have conversations if basic facts are denied or twisted. host: i heard you say you feel sad this morning. we have a lot of our conservative callers who clearly are, i think feeling defensive and also i wanted to ask you, your title alone is very provocative. my question is what did you hope the book did, what do you want people to get out of it and we know there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation from conservative media, what is the remedy for that? host: i think a lot about that -- guest: i think a lot about that. people at the caller we just had , there's enough misinformation or disinformation out there.

right wing or conspiratorial websites, they can look at and read and a lot of it comes through fox news to be honest. and they have enough to reinforce what it is they want to believe. so the book for me, an article in the new york times or washington post or something in the local paper is not to change their mind. so i think they are a minority in this country sorry to say. if you look at the polling information, most people don't believe the election was stolen from donald trump. so i think the rest of the country has to sort of band together and say we cannot reach some of these people. they want to have a legitimate conversation we are happy to engage with that but if they're going to stick to the talking points about the big lie and

just by trump's acceptance on the use of violence and trump saying he would pardon the people who beat up the cops, they are going to accept that i think working after say to a certain degree you are not part of the conversation anymore. and that's a sad thing, tough thing to say. but i don't know how you gently deal with this. i don't know how you gently deal with an ex-president who wants to be president again and who doesn't respect our fundamental democratic norms and processes. i think at some point this is moving toward semi fascism. i think he's being honest and i know he's going to infuriate some of the callers calling in that they have bought a line that is dangerous for america and it's up to the rest of the nation to make that clear.

host: we are talking with mother jones washington bureau chief about his book american psychosis. we are taking more of your calls. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans 202-748-8001. independents 202-748-8002. our next caller is peyton in springfield new hampshire on the democratic line. caller: thanks very much for having me. i think you are terrific. when i look at this i think this vein of what you're describing runs back to barry goldwater, jim crow and probably are -- probably earlier.

i think trump isn't the problem, he's a symptom and sort of shouting for the rooftop at republicans of been whispering for a long time and his when you way forward that's dangerous. january 6, that was not just a moment in time but that was the plan for months. the january 6 committee describes that where there's a lot of leverage plays on secretaries of state. but for a few of those holdings we might have had a different conversation here. i think the way forward has been charged on the right and i think it's dangerous territory. we need to get active to counter that. guest: thank you. i think you are right that a lot -- some of trump big lie opponents learned a bit of a

lesson in the postelection which we need to be in control of the vote certification systems so that if we don't like the way the vote goes, if we think there was something wrong even if there's no evidence, we can do something about it. you have dug mastery anna who is for governor in pennsylvania and he will appoint the secretary of state of that state if he's elected. he will have the power to certify or not certify elections. arizona you have mark who is a big lie conspiratorial is running for secretary of state. you have other people in a like-minded way running for state positions across the country. they want to gain control so if they think or if fox news or newsmax comes out and says this election was stolen, they can get in -- they can block certification.

this is incredibly dangerous because instead of fighting over what's the best way to deal with our energy needs, our economy we will be fighting over who won elections. and one side has reached the conclusion that if it feels in election one stolen -- was stolen, then it was stolen and they don't have to abide by it. but we can have a country with differing points of view. with sometimes profound differences if we can sort of legislate them or debate them and process them through the electoral system. you are right ultimately, the problem is not donald trump, the problem is trumpism. he is one guy. he is a blowhard, a great marketer. he is one person bring the real problem is there are tens of millions of americans who by

what he says when he says something that's not true. there are many deep roots to that but that's the issue, the fact that what he says people follow and that's a much harder issue to remedy. host: let's hear now from james in collins, mississippi on the independent line. caller: ♪ good men -- caller: good morning. i understand what you are saying when republicans call in and talk about the black lives matter in the chocolate hillary clinton. president trump -- black lives matter and the -- they talk about hillary clinton.

beep -- poor white people of been abused and the own -- black people have only been saved by cameras. if they came out in the 80's you would have them. but you didn't have people pressing record on the violence that was happening back then. it was not the politicians of the government the caused them to look. it was a 17-year-old girl. and now it's not even donald trump. it's the politicians that support him, the mccarthys, what's his name, from south carolina. lindsey graham. all those people.

it's the politicians that are supporting this man and it's about to happen that shouldn't happen because nobody is -- every republican and every democrat, releasing that information about bar and what they did in the doj about being corrupt. they need to call barr in and talk about that release of information because that's the problem. women need to stand up and let them know that their bodies, their daughters bodies. i look at queen elizabeth when she passed you got more women now emboldened because this woman even though she was over there is a queen, she was still

a woman and she had control over her body and she did the right thing so i'm saying women need to stand up and speak up. host: got your point. let's hear now from chuck in syracuse, new york. republican line. caller: it's unfortunate that mr. corn is can a talk about other people's psychosis and misconduct. vox.com is not a conservative news site. they quoted a former mother jones sat -- staffer. some staffers reported there were questionable stories because reactions made them so uncomfortable. he was also a frequent guest on msnbc, chris matthews. remember what happened to chris matthews. host: did you want to respond to that? guest: there was a story years

ago that was all resolved so there was nothing to it. host: shary in calabash north carolina on the democrats line. caller: thanks for writing that book, it's great. i can't wait to read it. i wish it but that man's picture on the front but that's all right. i'll put a sticker over it or something. i agree with everything you had to say and it's a shame republicans have to act this way. i live in a very conservative southern state. it's something i chose to do but i don't think trump is can a be able to run because he's good to be arrested for what all he's been doing. that's all i have to say. guest: one thing that's if

interest to me not as a related to the book. how you see republicans and conservatives who chanted lock her up about hillary clinton and her mishandling of emails when she was secretary of state turning to complete blind eye to what donald trump did with classified documents. you couldn't write this stuff because it's so ridiculous. at the end of the day there was no evidence hillary clinton compromise security, i wrote about this at the time. compromising that there's no evidence of being compromised. donald trump taking records that are not his and when asked about it by the national archives and the fbi, giving some back and

saying all are given back when not all are given back. if he left the oval office with the resolute desk and took it down to mar-a-lago. in the justice department and fbi knocked on the door for the desk back and he said no i'm knocking to give it to you, there would be no question. there's no executive privilege that covers the theft of government material with roots desk or papers. this is one sign the republican party has bent its knee, lost any sense of self-awareness or self regard, self-esteem because they'll know this is incredibly wrong and dangerous. one republican caller will get on their high horse about that and say this is worse than what

we accuse hillary clinton of. host: let's take another caller. philadelphia, pennsylvania calling on the independent line. caller: i agree with everything saying. this is not a new phenomenon, this phenomenon has happened all throughout history thousands of times. the nazis are probably the most recent example but most people are familiar with. pol pot said the same things. dutere said the same things. bolsonaro in brazil says the same things. this isn't anything new. i live in mexico, the reason i live in mexico. i left the moment they installed pumpkin head in the office. i know this stuff never ends

well. ends up with millions of innocent people getting killed and the people who started it never learned a thing and they do it again. i'll hear what you have to say. guest: i wanted to at least talk about the history here in america of a political party playing with fire, playing with extremism. we do see with donald trump he adds to that. he adds this creeping authoritarianism. i wrote about in my previous book, and admiration of vladimir putin. his admiration of dutere in the philippines. and bolsonaro. he is a guy who has said again and again the state is me.

someone who doesn't respect democracy, who wants to install some degree of authoritarian. who wants to delegitimize election and then promote basic conspiracy theories which comes down to demonizing and dehumanizing the opposition. in the opposition is in people who are wrong when it comes to policy matters. when he is talking about qanon. this goes back to mccarthyism, people who are plotting against america internally. now they're adding to it saying their satanic, cannibalistic. so you put all of this together. i do think it's a very troubling peru. but i'm optimistic there are still more americans, a lot more

americans who don't go along with this into you do not buy this. and if they can see this for what it is, they can stop it and prevent it from happening. but i do believe it is a crisis and it's not -- there's not enough americans who fully understand it yet. host: let's go to sean in gainesville, new york on the republican line. caller: good morning to both of you. guest: good morning. caller: do i agree with what you're saying? not in the least. but i support your right to say it. i have to give you a lot of credit for following radicals because what they do is they accuse others of what they're guilty of. when it comes to groups. guest: can i interrupt to ask you a question host: david wants to ask you a question but.

guest: a nice trick of accusing me of making false accusations. can you point out something i've written in my book online that is demonstrably untrue? host: can i finish -- caller: can i finish my statement? guest: just wanted to give you the opportunity. caller: i would like to urge all my fellow americans or the democrats, republicans, to watch a documentary. host: let's go next to john in roswell, new mexico. john is calling as a democrat. >> -- first thing i'd like to say, the so-called heritage -- foundation

there is no scenario on their. all you have to do -- host: our next caller is edward in keyport, new jersey. >> i would think psychosis is the perfect word to use for this. you try to question them about simple things and it's a bridge too far for them. as the vitriol reactions and the public sphere and want to add i want to celebrate harris jones and all she gave us and the

reason why we have minimum wages because of american socialism and things of that nature. the only difference -- thank you, you do great work. guest: thanks, edward. that's really interesting point. whether this acceptance of conspiracy theory on the trump ian wright has something to do with generational politics. he does do better with older and whiter voters and that's pretty clear. and if you go to his rallies they tend to be older than you would see certainly at barack obama rallies or some joe biden rallies. i haven't really thought that much about it. if this is age dependent, that

the boomers feeling the loss of power to the generations beyond them. and lashing -- latching onto them. to gain some understanding of that. it could be affecting some. i will say at some of these rallies there are people who are not that old but again younger voters tend to skew a little bit more towards democrats. i have to think some more about that. it's an instant connection to look at. >> caller: sir. you made a couple of false statements on there. how about roy moore, how the nick sandmann being racist and

child molesters. you want to talk about false information. you spread a lot of false information. guest: can you give me an example? caller: you called roy moore a child molester but i believe he won $8 million proving he wasn't. how about nick sandmann. you called him a racist. host: the young man from kentucky. guest: i didn't say anything about him. i do not know what you're talking about. roy moore i would commend people to read the washington post reporting on him. it's very solid about his inappropriate actions and the accusations made against him about his engagements with young women and teenage women. i didn't report on that. host: any closing thoughts as we

wrap up. this really interesting segment. >> i really wish we could have -- with republicans. i've been with seat -- here since 1987. it's really ancient have an open conversation with politics, policy but it seems to me republicans in the grasp of being held being frozen by donald trump and the big lie. and nothing else matters. and they can't get past that. you can talk about the weather when one side says the skies green and one side says the sky is blue. it pains me to see that but they are so dug in deep with this and the republican which had a chance after january 6, connellan kevin mccarthy spoke

out about this. for about five nano seconds and they made the calculation that the base of the party would not go along with that. and raising money they had to give up their criticisms. they had a moment to break away but instead were more entrenched and that's sad to me. one of the reasons i think we got here is the dark side of gop , i hope people pick it up and read it and they will subscribe to the newsletter because i think these are the conversations we need to continue to have. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning. we've been talking with david corn. the name of his new book is

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