eastern kentucky lags behind and we are talking about the region of appalachia that struggled the most. >> and his book "twilight in hazard" sunday night on c-span and listen to our podcasts on our c-span now app. g's tourney y perkins to talk about campaign 2022 the evangelical voters. let's talk about first of all the political arm of the family research capsule. what role you play in 2022? guest: good to see you. thank you for the invite to be back. you have a beautiful view of the capital. our political arm is probably a quarter of our operation.

our focus is on the policy although we will be very involved in midterm elections our focus is on voter registration and voter education. we do that through our churches. we have a network of about 15,000 churches across the nation. we are doing voter registration, we have seen great improvement in the last decade. people move around and change it we have to keep that. we will be spending a few million dollars on that front. we will not put a lot of money into the campaigns. there are some candidates that we are supporting that we kind of recruited, we trained. but our primary focus is voter registration and education. we will put out several million voter kari -- guides. host: how concerned are you when polls like this come from nbc news show that the issue of abortion, the supreme court

decision on dobbs and trump is boosting the prospects for democrats? guest: they continue to show that the in this em level is with republicans. so i'm not overly concerned and i have been in politics a long time. a day is like a lifetime it can change overnight. we don't know what's going to happen between now and the election although we are beginning to see early votes that were coming into the final stretch very confident republicans will take control of the house in the midterm election the question is what will the margins be? the senate is what is more in question as to what will be the outcome of the senate elections. host: what is the enthusiasm level of evangelical voters? guest: i think it is very strong. i think in the post dobbs world they think their efforts in

terms of being consistent in voting for pro-life candidates, voting for those who were committed to restoring and understanding the sanctity of human life have paid off. you don't sow and reap in the same season. they realize there is work to be done. what the court's decision did, it did not outlaw abortion is simple he put it back to the states and to the people. so now they know there is going to be more at the state level. there has to be worked and in continuing to expand the network of pregnancy centers across the nation helping women. a lot of work to be done but i think the enthusiasm level is there. host: talk about the votes in the coming days but also the future of that boat went according to the research center u.s. christian majority is projected to end by 2070. christians account for 90% of the population 50 years ago.

christians projected to make up between 35% by 2070 if the trend continues. guest: there is another trend taking place that is quite interesting. as those trends change we also see demographic changes where we see more hispanics becoming the majority minority in this country and it is very fascinating to see what is happening with the hispanic community in terms of their connection with evangelicals. a large portion of those coming to the country are evangelicals and disproportionately they share the value issues with the evangelicals. in fact, if you look at the most recent data in the polling the hispanics are stronger than whites when it comes to the issue of abortion and wanting to have restrictions on abortion. host: how do you choose which candidate to back? guest: it comes down to the

issues and this is the thing that is interesting. i think it is often misunderstood i go back to donald trump as a great example was a lot of criticism why did they support donald trump? when you look at the candidates and the position they took on the issues who was more aligned with them on the issues? it was donald trump. it really is just a party platform. there are things that are clear contrast that emerge before the parties and it is very evident. that's kind of inside baseball, when you look at the party platforms, 75 to 80% of the time the two parties follow the platforms. president joe biden, what he is doing right now in terms of what we described as liberal policy that pertain to family issues almost all of that is in the democratic party's platform. that is with the party stands for. host: does personal character

matter to you? guest: number one, in a primary you have a choice to vote for whoever you wanted the is and is clearly aligned with you down the line. that includes the character issue, that includes policy issues, but when you get to the general election it is usually a different lineup. you have two contrasting ideologies. so at that point, in 2016 evangelicals had a choice between hillary clinton and donald trump. donald trump his character, did they align with him? he chose mike pence as his running mate. he released a list of conservative names of potential conservative justices. it wasn't even a choice. host: let's hear from robin, cleveland, tennessee. caller: i am calling from the

bible belt. i want to ask mr. perkins the invasion to local christian, all you need to hear about the religion. i am wondering at this point what values do evangelical christians have that anybody would want to follow? they are big liars, racist, you go along with any dirty low-down thing donald trump does. the black church don't do that. the black church is true. they say if you a liar you burn in a lake of fire. so how do you justify following a racist, lying criminal and call yourself christian? guest: first off, it is the policies. when you look at the policies and what actually came out of the trump administration i make no apologies for supporting donald trump. when you look at the fact that

he one of his first actions was to issue a reinstatement of the mexico city policy which would expand it to make sure taxpayers in the united states did not export and fund a portion if you look at the fact that he issued an executive order in may of his first year that protected religious freedom across the board in federal government in each department and agency. when you look at the historic gains on the issue of the sanctity of life you look at the supreme court. the justices he appointed. look, again, we can separate the tweaks and the character of the individual with the policies and personality put in place. so i don't know and evangelical that cares about the issues that is apologetic for what happened during his four years and term of the policies that were enacted. host: pensacola florida, democratic caller.

good morning to you. caller: hello, good morning. mr. perkins, i have to say your thoughts about the policy is a cowardly response to why you guys were supporting donald trump. policy, jesus satan came and promised him all kinds of things. all he had to do was bow down to satan. satan told him he would make him all these things, and you can say that jesus went with satan's policies because it was beneficial if jesus would have taken him up on his awful or -- offer. i want you to say in no uncertain terms how these immigration tactics that these

governors are doing, how you compare that to the peril -- parable of the good samaritan. i want you to use the parable of how you can tell me ron desantis and greg abbott are doing what is biblical based on the good samaritan. guest: when we look at what is happening on the front of illegal immigration, it is illegal. as a result, they are enticing people to come to this country with open borders. we have people being trafficked, women being trafficked. we have drugs come across the border. in august, the border patrol confiscated 500 million doses worth a fentanyl. we now have the largest calls for death among 18 to 35.

overdose were related to fentanyl. that is because of a policy of open immigration. we bring attention to this issue by taking those that have come in illegally. they say they want to be sanctuary cities know them will take them up. it brings attention to this debate, and it will be a factor in the midterm elections. host: what if it is found that announcer: say spans washington journal, every day taking your calls live on the air on the news of the day and we discussed policy issues that impact you. coming up saturday morning, the president and ceo of partnership for a healthier america discusses efforts to close the nutrition gap and promotes would equity. then brian heath, host of the global insider podcast, discusses the 2022 u.n. general

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