3. it's the first day of the new term of the supreme court and won't lack for hot button issues. the docket features voting it, religion, free speech, gay rights. the impacts of last year's rulings on abortion and gun rights continued to play out across the country. we want to hear about your level of confidence in the supreme court. phone lines are split differently. if you have a high level of

confidence, (202) 748-8000 is the number. if you have some confidence, (202) 748-8001. if you have low confidence, 8002. you can catch up with us on social media. a very good monday morning to you, you can start calling and now as we take you to the steps of the supreme court, not far from our building. we are joined by kimberly robinson from limburg law. good morning it to you. thanks for joining us on a rainy morning from capitol hill. guest: thanks so much for having me. host: walk us through what happens on the opening day of a new term of the supreme court. is there some extra pomp and circumstance to start a new

term? guest: first thing up, we will be having the mother of all long conferences. we expect to hear new cases that the court will to its term. at 10:00, we start arguments and that's when the court will hear two cases today to kick off the term. host: what are those cases? guest: the first is an environmental case. it's been a long-running dispute about the epa regulating water quality. the second is a case against delaware, about the collection of money left over from money grant orders. we will have arguments throughout the week. host: what are the other high-profile cases this guest: week? guest:there will be a case on voting rights. that will be the first one up tomorrow.

after the supreme court effectively nullified part of the voting rights act, the plaintiffs are relying another part. it is taking on renewed interest. they say that alabama discriminated against its black citizens when it refused to create a second majority black district in the state. that is a high-profile case. that is one of two voting rights cases the justices will take this term. they will be adding half the cases in the coming months. host: there are cases this term on race-based college admissions getting a lot of attention. guest: that's right. there are two cases challenging affirmative action. it is one of many cases that do put race at the forefront of this term. not only the voting rights case, there is another case trying to strike down the indian child

welfare tax. we will talk about those affirmative action cases out of north carolina and harvard. host: you talk about the mother of all orders this morning, what cases could be added? what are you watching for? guest: there are 1000 cases. it's hard to pick which ones they will say. there are interesting cases on doj filter teams which has taken an interest after the mar-a-lago search. there are a couple of i.t. lawyers trying to urgent supreme court to pick up a foundational patent case. it's hard to tell which is going to attract their attention. there are so many opportunities for them to look over cases, you have to wait and see what happens. host: how many cases that the supreme court here in a term? how many cases do they have to

go through to get that final number that they hear over the course of one term? guest: they get about 7000 cases coming to them each term where they are asked to intervene. in recent terms, they've taken fewer than 60. that is less than 1% of the cases, where they think they need to weigh in. we've got 27 cases on the docket so far. some of those are going to be coming today. the rest will trail in until january. host: we mentioned the pomp and circumstance, a bit of that when justice jackson officially joined the supreme court. explain what happened there. here is your story on that from bloomberg law. this divisive term looms. guest: that's right.

the ceremony on friday was nearly a formality. it, justice jackson has taken her seat in the summertime. she's been weighing in on orders. friday, she was formally inducted into the court. there were a number of dignitaries, biden and vice president harris, that happened on friday. she takes the bench for the first time today to hear arguments. we are interested to hear how she fits in with this new group of nine on the court, there has been a lot of turnover in the last five years. they will get a chance to settle in. host: the supreme court, the question we are asking viewers this morning, we are asking about their level of confidence in the supreme court. as a reporter that follows the supreme court, what are you seeing on that front when it comes to public confidence?

guest: i can't really think of another summer with the supreme court was so much in the headlines as it was the summer after the follow-up from the overturn of roe v. wade. the numbers are at historic lows, people have been counting public confidence in the court. it is at a record low, not just from democrats and from independent voters who think they are deciding too much in going too fast to the right. that's been happening all summer long. i would not expect that to slow down. host: what is the status of the leak investigation? guest: we haven't heard that much. we have gotten a few hints from some of the justices over the summer. there has been an internal investigation that is completed. they should sometime soon be

getting a look at a report. it is unclear if they are going to release that to the republic or tell us when they have given it to the justices. the supreme court is a unique institution in that most information does not leak out of it. we will see if the investigation is the subject of a leak as well. host: in order to see the supreme court, they are continuing livestreaming of oral arguments. any changes, other changes you are watching how the supreme court is covered or how the public can follow the supreme court? guest: last week, the public can now come into the courtroom. there is a line of people waiting to get inside the building today. that is one big change, the public is allowed in and they will continue doing audio.

they are going to be provided for this term only. we don't know if that is a permanent fixture here at the court. it is something that people who don't want to stand in line but want to hear the business of the court. host: kimberly robinson with bloomberg law, we do appreciate your time this morning. we will look for your coverage. guest: thanks, john. host: we are asking you on this first day of the new term about your level of confidence in the court. if you say you have high confidence, (202) 748-8000. if you have some confidence (202) 748-8001. if you have low confidence, (202) 748-8002. kimberly robinson was mentioning the numbers on trust and confidence in the supreme court. gallup has been following that issue for a long time. this is what they had to say in their latest report.

47% say they have a great deal of trust in the judicial branch. that is headed by the supreme court. this represents a 20% drop from two years ago, including seven points since last term. it is the lowest by six points. the tarnished image goes with the trust issue. that began back in 1972. for those who want to see it in chart form, this is the chart from gallup showing their tracking numbers going back to the 70's. those numbers peaked in the early to thousands and late 90's. it was in the 80% range, those who had a great deal of trust in the supreme court. the latest number is down to 47%. we are spending this first hour

on this topic. diane is up first in michigan. caller: good morning and thank you. i have very little confidence in the supreme court. especially sense chief justice roberts has been on the court. i don't understand how he claims integrity in his court. he can say it, but we don't see it. it started in 2010 with citizens united. they've become a legislative body. they aren't a court. they have 7000 cases come in, they get 60 and its voting rights and women's reproductive rights. the dodd decision was drawn from the 1600s when they thought

women were witches. how does that apply today? i don't understand it. with justice thomas in their, that is put a muddy appearance on the court. you earn trust, you aren't given trust. look into the future, what they've chosen out of that 7000 to decide on, it doesn't look good. they can claim integrity all they want. we haven't seen it. host: that is diane out of michigan. howard is in indiana. caller: good morning. i have no confidence in the supreme court. they have shown they have no commitment to establishing justice, which is the first principle of our constitutional preamble, even though they call the title. we don't call them judges.

the most recent major issues for which they've made judgments, they are not up to it. this ruling on abortion law is just as bad or comparable to the dred scott decision. the supreme court at that time said there were no laws for which white people have to abide by relative to black people. that was clearly wrong the second it was judged. the same is true for this abortion law. it puts poor women in jeopardy of seeking health care for abortions that lead to a lot of different harms. there is no real practical way of making something like abortion illegal. host: this is matt in virginia.

good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. ok, my point is i notice now that c-span is entrenching back into whole numbers of the midterm elections. we will be voting in less than two months. what i have to say about this, it doesn't matter if people have confidence in the supreme court. it doesn't matter if you have confidence in the executive branch. those things will exist. when you go to these polls and you start to pull people and report the numbers on things that don't matter, you won't get rid of the supreme court. do you want to add supreme court justices? if poll numbers mattered about these issues, whether or not you

can change the structure of the democratic republic, you could simply vote out the constitution. they want to get to the fact that you can put on the ballot other or not you want the constitution itself to be followed. you can't in a republic, you're not allowed to put on the ballot whether or not you like the republic. you can't vote out the republic. you can't vote out the constitution. that's all i would like to say. host: that was matt. those polling numbers from that gallup poll that we showed you, 47%, a low in the time that gallup has been pulling. here they are broken up by political party. republicans have quite a lot of trust, 67% of republicans say they have a great deal of trust

in the supreme court. the numbers are much lower when it comes to democrats, only 5% saying they have a fair amount of trust. independent voters, they are at 46% who say they have a great deal of trust in that supreme court. you can see how the numbers have gone up and down. republicans are the redline, democrats are the blue line. mitchell is out of new jersey. you are next. caller: good morning. i have very low confidence in this court. harkening back to the citizens united decision under the slightly less conservative roberts court, if you think about it, it was a stunning

decision for this country. allowing untold amounts of cash into our political system, it's allowing our system to be corrupted. the dodd decision, there is so much we are not even looking at. sheldon whitehouse of rhode island had pointed out there is 80 decisions that fly under the radar, it's not a hot button issue. they are totally in favor of big business against labor and different environmental standards in different regulatory practices. all of this is impacting the country. the court is really failing us. host: you mentioned the epa.

one of the cases the court is hearing today could offer an early sign of whether the court's majority will continue refashioning federal law that they pursued last term. they will be hearing articles and whether to curb the power to fight water pollution after the decision limiting the authority to combat greenhouse gas emissions. that was a long time supreme court reporter out of the wall street journal. this is george in virginia. you are next. caller: good morning. i support the supreme court. it's one of the three equal parts of government. it's probably the best part of government. people may disagree on the decisions.

i disagreed when they said you can't pray in school. that's the way the system works. we've got a very good system. hopefully, we will get confidence in that. host: sure the supreme court be concerned about these polling numbers? the previous caller said we shouldn't be concerned. americans have the lowest level of confidence in the supreme court in the decades that the gallup organization has been pulling. -- polling. caller: i participated in the poll sometimes. it's probably an accurate measurement of how people feel. the way people feel -- if they

feel that way, the measurement is correct. their emotions are more in how they feel today. there are certain cycles where acceptance will increase. host: last month, john roberts spoke about the legitimacy of the court. this is chief justice john roberts from september 9. >> the court has always decided controversial cases. the decisions are subject to intense criticism. that is entirely appropriate. citizens feel free to criticize our opinions and how we do our work. lately, it is phrased in terms of questioning the legitimacy of the court.

i think it's a mistake to view those criticisms in that light. the legitimacy of the court rests on the fact that it satisfies the requirements of the statute and the constitution needs somebody to say what the law is. that doesn't change because people disagree. obviously, people can say what they want. they are free to criticize the supreme court. if they want to say it's legitimacy is in question, they are free to do so. i don't see the connection between opinions and the legitimacy of the court. if the court doesn't retain its legitimate function, i'm not

sure who would. you don't want the political branches telling you what the law is. you don't want public opinion to be the guide of what the appropriate decision is. all of our opinions are open to criticism. our members do a great job criticizing. simply because people disagree with an opinion is not a basis for questioning the legitimacy of the court. host: that was chief justice john roberts, speaking about the legitimacy of the court. sometimes the courts own members do a good job of criticizing the court. this was an event, justice elena kagan spoke about the supreme court in the united states. >> there are some things the court does that protects

democracy. the first amendment is one of those things. ensuring that everybody has political speech opportunities. the 14th and 15th amendments ensure that everybody has the voting rights that the constitution and congress has given. in those areas, the court needs to operate in a way that will make the democratic system work. when it is working, when the rules are in place to ensure the democratic system is working, then usually the court can allow that system to operate. it shouldn't be too -- the democratic system has worked.

to produce outcomes that you would think given their providence are legitimate. sometimes, that is not the case. sometimes a piece of legislation transgresses constitutional boundary. then the court has to act. the court should think twice and then think twice again before doing so. in particular, the court shouldn't be wandering around inserting itself into every hot button issue in america. it shouldn't be doing that in the way that reflects one ideology or one set of political views over another. host: that is justice kagan last

month at an event. we are talking about the supreme court on this opening day of the new term of the court, asking about your confidence level in the court. lines four all of those answers. -- for all those answers. caller: i do have some confidence in them, it is scary. a lot of gerrymandering, that was not fair. trump lost the popular vote in both elections. i am worried about the abortion thing, only because they are not letting know how many people are dying because of that lawn now.

i saw a man on tv, his wife had no trouble. at eight months she had trouble. in order -- and set been able to induce labor, she died. these are medical problems. they need to be attended to. i don't like it. the laws we had were good and they were working. if they can't go in there with party, you have to go in there with no bias and do what the law says and uphold it. host: this is karen in alabama. go ahead. caller: good morning. i have a very high level of confidence because i feel like they are following the constitution.

that they overturned roe v. wade 's they are following the constitution. host: is there a case you are watching this term? one that has caught your attention? caller: no. i haven't looked. i definitely will. host: this is george in south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. i've got a question for you did how long has the supreme court been in existence? host: it was created in the constitution, when the constitution was ratified. caller: that means we had slavery and the supreme court was there when that was going on? host: it existed when there was slavery in this country. caller: i have no confidence in anything the supreme court does now. the whole thing is a light.

especially after donald trump put three jesses -- justices on the supreme court. the people lied and said they wouldn't overturn roe v. wade, but they lied. they should be impeached. if donald trump put them in there, he is a liar. how can you do that? how can you have confidence in somebody with no integrity. host: this is jim out of missouri. you are next. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a question for you. i know you eat, sleep, and breathe politics. nobody has been able to answer this for me.

it deals with the executive order that joe biden did about this student forgiveness. there are states challenging that. i have a feeling it's going to work its way up to the supreme court. the question i have is if it goes to the supreme court, what happens to the executive order? does it just get put on hold? do they go ahead and put that executive order in play and this money goes out for these students? if that is the case, how would they get that money back? if they rule that it's ok for him to do that, does that set precedent for president to

relieve an fha loan, mortgages, having other people pay for that. can you give me some insight into that. host: that would be a lot of legal steps down the road. you are certainly right, there are challenges in the works. we will see what happens with everything that happens at the supreme court. you can see it on c-span. we have live coverage whenever arguments are happening. we will be showing that live streaming. you can go to c-span.org or watch it on our free c-span video app. the oral arguments, you will be able to hear them and we will show pictures of which justices are asking questions and making arguments before the justices. that is all available at

c-span.org. we cover all of those oral arguments. we just talked to jim. we will talk to kevin in connecticut. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. it's a political court. in 2022, i wouldn't imagine seen women's rights taken away. i can't imagine this. all of these people in these red states, they lost the right to vote because they gave the power to the secretary of state. they've got no freedom whatsoever. they gave it all away. the court in florida with mar-a-lago, she is helping trump

all the way through the courts now. it's all political. i fear that we are going to lose our social security. we are losing our democracy. that's all i have to say. host: this is lewis in brooklyn. what gives you some confidence? caller: no confidence at all. it has become political. it has become religious fanatics with no facts. it has become a low grade establishment. people all over the world are realizing it. we need to have facts.

religion, what about the other people? what about the truth, facts? host: that is lewis. we are asking for your comments over social media. it is facebook and twitter. here are some of these comments:

clarence thomas and his wife, the subject of several stories from today's papers. this is the washington times. originalism will help guide justices in this new term. the times rights: justice thomas is 74 years old, the oldest member on the court. this on his wife, the column

from the new york times: the wife of justice clarence thomas. more on clearance thomas, this event from last year. this is on the influence of the courts and his colleagues, especially the influence scalia had on him. >> we had not met before i got to the court. we met and i think we found out

that even though we were from very different backgrounds, we thought alike. we trusted each other. for more than a quarter of a century, we worked together without seeing each other all that much. he was really funny. he would ask me to go hunting with him. he thought it was odd that someone from rural georgia would not go hunting. it's really odd that someone from urban new york and new jersey will go hunting. i said i left nothing in the woods. you expect me to risk snakebites , ticks, fleas, to kill some

unassuming bird? no. he invited me to go to the kennedy center. he said, you like classical music. i sure do. he said, come to the kennedy center. i don't like people who like classical music. it is different without him. he is the one person i truly miss. i have had wonderful colleagues there. host: justice clarence thomas from an event last year, speaking about his former colleague on the court antonin scalia it.

it is opening day of the term of the supreme court. we are asking you this morning your level of confidence in that institution. is it height? is it low? we have lines for all of your answers. this is matt in missouri. what gives you some confidence? caller: abortion is abortion, if you look at the worldwide stats, not many countries allow up to live birth abortion. the liberal media is what's ruining this topic. they are saying republicans just want to kill abortion. that's not true. lindsey graham proposed a 15 week band. most countries have a 20 week band. we are one of seven countries that have few or no limits.

when you look at our company, the netherlands have some. some limits up to 24 weeks. after that, there has to be a reason. host: setting aside the abortion issue, what gives you some confidence in the supreme court? caller: they are the final law. i didn't like the abortion rule 50 years ago. should i think it wasn't competent? that's what this is all about. if you don't agree, it doesn't give you the right to bash them. look at president biden. the man can barely hold up his own -- he is cognitively deficient. host: why don't you have a high

level of confidence? why are you in that middle segment? caller: that's all it was. i dialed the wrong number. i have a good level of confidence. i am an american. that is our laws. the supreme court is the deciding factor. they are the ones that decide what is right and wrong. you have to have trust in that institution. you have to trust your institutions. when you don't, you don't have a country. host: this is susan in maryland. you are next. caller: i have very low confidence. there was a time when i had high confidence under warren, when he got close to equal justice under the law.

now i fear this court will overturn a lot of these issues. it takes a very conservative stance. it will take us back to a time and we didn't care about these things. it's ok to buy a gun and carry it without an order of concealment. as the baby boom generation dies out, i was born in 1952, a new generation is taking over. they want to pass laws that are going to make it difficult for that generation to overturn. i fear that everything from environmental to the same-sex marriage to lgbt rights will be

overturned and challenged. i really don't have much confidence in this court at all. it's sad. host: we are showing you various justices talking about what influenced them and the importance of public trust. here is another justice, sonia sotomayor talking about faith in institutions like the supreme court. this is what she had to say. >> you believe in the institutional structure, our government. how it operates together, the three branches of government, the checks and balances in the way they operate. in the people who created this, you are equal if not the fourth ranch of government. perhaps the most important, you vote and you are the ones who

elect indirectly the other branches. to that end, when we as institutions have made mistakes, other parts of the branches work in tandem. the people of worked to make changes. i just recently did a close study of dred scott. i did a talk about it for the parks department. i took a deep dive in a way i never had before. it is reputed to be one of the worst decisions of the supreme court. it is hyperbole to say that it caused the civil war. it is the decision used on both sides of the civil war to

motivate their adherence to justify the war. the north used it to tell northern states that the southern states were looking to spread slavery throughout the country. the southern states were talking about the republicans undoing the constitution by not following it and not respecting the southern state rights to have slaves. we ended up in the civil war. the civil war directly undid the three rulings of the dred scott case. it took nearly another century before brown v. board of education and a pitstop of impact, plessy versus ferguson. for civil rights leaders in

1954, to have finally won the battle of freedom and civil rights, it started in dred scott and ended in brown v. board of education. it made all people equal under the constitution. host: that was justice sotomayor from earlier this spring. that is a live shot of supreme court. it's the opening day of the term of the supreme court. we are asking you about your level of confidence in the highest court. this is barbara and west virginia. you are next. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to say that i have high confidence in the supreme court. they are doing a good job. they are explaining their selves.

i feel that god is what we need in our country. they have held up god in reasoning, not killing babies. it was lost years ago. that woman said -- a woman spoke about people going to take over. the devil is in there. thank you for letting me speak. host: that was barbara in west virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. host: nicole, you've got to turn your tv down and talk through your phone. caller: the confidence of the people is not the supreme court.

it's the lawyers to get you to the supreme court. you have so many lower biases in government because of conflicts of interest with so many attorneys that use their knowledge to redline or lock people out of different things. they are sitting on boards of economic redevelopment and it's affecting impoverished people. i tried to file on my own behalf in federal court. it was about corruption. money was designed for those people, it was taken by eminent domain. they can use their resources. we are in a rat race with immigrants. host: how far did your case get?

you said you argued in federal court? caller: look me up. host: how far did it get? caller: they said i couldn't go any farther. my son got kidnapped. i couldn't go to a law library. they were finding ways to kick you out. they were directing me to get the word in for it. host: that was nicole out of maryland. this is jenny in ohio. caller: how are you today. i used to think highly of the supreme court. i would like to say that they do not -- there should be a term limit. no one else in the government

has something like that. the gerrymandering, i can't believe they decided that in new york it was ok to carry guns. when they are interviewed or whatever to become a supreme judge, i don't believe they are honest. i don't believe they actually come together when they are making decisions. a lot of them, i think they make decisions on how their -- they feel, especially with clarence thomas. host: you talk about term limits, what is a fair amount of time to be on the bench? caller: i would say 20 years or

something like that. i don't think a life term, i don't believe in a life term for anyone that works for the government. that goes for the congress as well. host: this is cutler in new hampshire. caller: good morning. i've lost confidence in the court. it is become political. clarence thomas should probably resign based on his wife's notoriety now. the previous call mentioned term limits. i am all for that. i would not go with 20 years. i would say eight years it's appropriate. while i'm at it, i know that congress can't negotiate their

own term limits. it would be good if you had a show on what america's opinion is on putting term limits on congress on state ballots. that's a suggestion. host: what would be fair for congress? caller: the house, i would say no more than three terms. and the senate, may 2 terms. it wasn't meant to be a career. they have a menial salary. they retire is millionaires. where is the money coming from? i would suspect special interest groups. host: it's about $170,000 per year. caller: they retire is millionaires, john.

where do they get that money? host: thanks for the call from new hampshire. there's about eight minutes left in this segment as we ask you your level of confidence in the supreme court. the supreme court will be gaveling then and hearing -- in and hearing cases this morning. it's the environmental protection agency, that is the first one up. if you watch live, this network will continue to push for cameras in the supreme court so you can hear and see into the supreme court as well. the washington post making the argument for cameras in the supreme court. in one of their op-ed's today, calling for that. they write:

this is vicki out of south lord. you are next -- florida. your next. caller: they say people who don't learn their lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. i think that's why i don't trust the supreme court so much anymore. she was talking about the dred scott decision. it's like they don't have history books. i don't think they pay

attention. when you have more and more mass shootings happening and this discussion about gun control and red flagging people, the supreme court in 1934 made a decision regarding the control of machine guns. the thompson machine gun was developed during world war two. -- world war i. it didn't get into use until world war ii. gangsters manage to get hold of it. in 1934, there was a decision about that. they began to talk about registering weapons, the same way they talk about it now. they don't mention the 1969

decision that said it registering weapons was amounting to self-incrimination. you are protected from self-incrimination. if people registered weapons and that information was used to bring charges, it would be unconstitutional. it disturbs me that when all of this talk is going on, the supreme court is quiet about their own decisions in the past. this is information that is right there on the atf website. host: this is tim in michigan. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to say that i have a lot of confidence in the supreme court. it seems like when obama was in

office, they had a dispute on where justice roberts said you lie. you can bring that up. it's been a while. it's amazing that everything started going downhill about that time. they've really started making it political ever since then. i think they can't get out of that rut therein. democrats and republicans won't allow it to happen. that's when it started happening. host: it was a member of congress who yelled you lie during the state of the union address. as the ap video from 12 years

ago, during one of his addresses , justice robison -- roberts grimaces when president obama criticized the court. caller: i thought i had seen it, that he said you light. maybe not. -- you lie. maybe not. host: if it was that famous moment, it was a republican from south carolina that yelled that. we've only got a few minutes. let me get to ajay in san francisco. caller: good morning. i called in on the idea that i have some confidence. i feel like the supreme court is doing what it is supposed to be doing, which is whatever it wants to do. we won a branch that response to whatever the mood of the day is.

that's going to be the house. the supreme court is supposed to do what they want to do and disregard what people are doing. that keeps them out of politics. a lot of the time, people criticize that. i don't have the grounds to criticize them. the media creates a narrative. in a wait, they're not doing what they are supposed to be doing. the process we put them there for, and entrenches an ideology. -- it entrenches an ideology. they get so entrenched in these beliefs, they feel like they have to become more polarized.

they are really -- they are trying to make decisions based on their own personal beliefs. their beliefs are rooted in a combative spirit. host: we should bring back the 60 vote rule? caller: yes. that's a good thing to do. you can't bring it back. host: how else can we change the system? caller: how can we change the system? that's why i'm not running for government. at the end of the day, my immediate thought is it comes down to individuals becoming more civil and working with each other. the senate has its own rules. when one party gets a super majority, they can clean house. caller: that was ajay in san

francisco. that is our last collar in this first segment. we will have more time later to talk about the supreme court again. up next, we will turn to state policy. we will be joined by the founder to talk about top issues of local government. we will talk about how the buy demonstration is handling the hurricane relief. stick around. we will be right back.

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structure -- infrastructure bill, who is -- the money? it is your state legislator deciding which potholes get filled, which broadband access expands, which electric buses get to school districts. we are going to cover that. what happens in sacramento or austin today happens in 25 states this year and the year after that. federal reform in the 1930's started with republicans in the midwest and became bill clinton's signature policy achievement. criminal justice reform under trump started out as a project of -- and the coke brothers in states like oklahoma and kansas -- texas. what legislators do today is going to become policy in states tomorrow. host: how do you cover 50

states? guest: we are doing this differently than what other people have tried in the past. they have done a great job with covering something with a sacramento person, tallahassee person. we are looking at this through a policy lens. we have one health care reporter, one energy environment reporter. their job is to watch they are trends in 50 states. every year, there are five or 10 big ideas in those areas that become policy nationwide. i mentioned the electric school buses. i was at the national conference of state legislators meeting a couple of months ago, that was all anybody could talk about. the infrastructure law has advocated for electric buses. there was a new plan built in virginia, there is a buffalo state senator trying to get a new plant in his area. there are these things we think

start in dcr playing out in the states. what states do today is going to drive the next policy. host: you can join this conversation, we can talk about state policy, state politics with reid wilson. (202) 748-8000 free democrats. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. how may folks do you have covering this? guest: we were starting out with six. so many areas to grow. transportation is going to be a massive disruption. all these areas are so rich to cover. host: you mentioned this was a continuation of what you have

been doing over the years. remind them of your work. guest: i use to run a publication called the hotline. that was my introduction to what happens outside the beltway. there are 500 people covering what happens in the capital. i get to be the one person covering the 500 stories outside of the beltway. now, at pluribus news. host: competitive seats fall to redistricting pins. you are looking at it from local legislature. explain. guest: we took a look get demographics of state legislative districts across the country after redistricting. we found the number of districts where biden and former president trump came within 10 points of each other shrink.

there are about 40 fewer districts were trump beat biden by a narrow margin. interestingly, the super trump or biden districts shrank. the areas growing are places where biden or trump won between 55% and 65% of the vote. safe districts but voters also defused enough to be efficient, not to waste votes. what the democrats and republicans control the redistricting process in the states have done is create fewer competitors seats and seats that are safely theirs without wasting votes. there are only 30 districts in u.s. congressional districts that biden won by 60 points -- points or lower. that is the least competition we have had in politics since the

turn of the 20th century. host: we said the first hour of our program, the supreme court ending the term with the dots decision on impact on states around the country. how does pluribus cover the ramification of the dobbs decision? guest: we have been taking a look at ballot initiatives that have exploded in five states on the ballot this year. the first one happened in august in a primary in kansas. kansas is a red state. a bill banning abortions there, codifying an abortion ban in the state constitution failed. it was a fascinating race that is going to have ramifications in a lot of other states where people are voting on abortion access. there are states like kentucky, has an abortion ban on the ballot this november.

states like california have abortion measures codifying right to seek an abortion on the ballot. we will see that in 10 or 15 states next year in terms of ballot measures. in terms of legislation, we will see that in all 50 states. we are seeing trends in terms of what states are doing to walk abortion. in indiana, the legislature passed a ban that includes a provision that allows the state attorney general to seek charges against a doctor performing an abortion if the local district attorney declines to press charges. the indiana provision that allows the state attorney general to seek those charges can step in. that is going to show up in every republican bill that comes up next year. that is there work around. sometimes, you have got to wait

until three states do something. host: she's you mentioned ballot measures. when we get close to an election, we usually have you come on. what are the interesting ballot measures in 2022? guest: abortion measures are going to be indicative of how voters react to the dobbs decision. even more so than the actual candidates who are on the ballot. the interesting measure i am watching -- measures i am watching are in california. california is the biggest target for ballot measures. there are some of these campaigns that cost hundreds of millions of dollars. in california right now, there are competing alan initiatives over sports gambling. you are on your phone, making sports bets, there is a big competition between factions of

tribes and the big, national gaming corporations -- draft kings, over who gets to be in the marketplace. what platform do you bet on. there are the big casinos that want their own piece of the pie, local card rooms. there are several different competing ballot measures that could all pass, none could pass. it depends on how that is going to work out. they are spending crazy amounts of money on these campaigns. it shows you how much money is at stake when you think about something like putting money on the l.a. rams. host: you talk about california ballot measures. your philosophy as you start this new venture covering states is, is california more important because of its size, because of its economy then, in your mind,

the things that happen in the california legislature, then states like rhode island or maine? are you looking for equal coverage? guest: absolutely. a big idea that is likely to come from vermont or wyoming as it is from california. it is crucial for us to cover all 50 states because a lot of these trends come out of states you wouldn't expect. arizona has been a big policy leader for republican policy leaders. it is going to be important for us to cover all 50 states. it is the case that california is something like a first among equals. what california does because of the size of their economy means corporations across the country have to tailor their own regimes to their california law. if something happens in california, it is going to be noticed in other states.

recently, california passed a measure governing how social media companies can use algorithms to target children, protecting their privacy. it was a bipartisan bill in california. we know the minnesota republican state representative who is going to drop her version of the bill come january. in california, they passed a measure to increase wages of fast food workers as much as $22 an hour. these franchisees know something that a similar law is going to come down in six or seven states next year. what happens in california tends to lead to trends in other states. that doesn't mean what happens in wyoming doesn't matter. host: if you want to talk about trends in your state, now would be a great time to call in. bruce in ohio, independent. good morning. caller: hi. my question is on the electric

cars and buses they want to do. i wonder if he has done a study on how much china would and if it dollar wise -- would and if it -- would benefit from this. the people who live in apartments in california, how will they charge their cars? that is a tremendous amount of infrastructure for this. guest: you are right. it is a huge amount of infrastructure. it is not just building the cars, it is building charging stations. when they do, that is a big part of the bipartisan infrastructure law allowing the -- allocating funding for measures, building that infrastructure. i do not know about china. i know there is a race right now to attract manufacturing facilities in the united states. i talked the speaker of the

state house of west virginia, he was at one of these electric bus manufacturing plants that had just opened in charleston. so far, a lot of the electric vehicle industry has been based in california. they have got stricter emissions rules. what i think the bipartisan infrastructure law is going to do is fuse that industry across the country. you've got this plant in west virginia, there are going to be new plants everywhere. there are millions of school buses, you can see some in the background of the c-span shot every now and then. talking to some school districts, every one of them is behind on repair and replacing their old school buses. billions of dollars are going to bring a lot of new buses, some made in charleston, west

virginia or anywhere else and will replace these. it is intriguing. there are a couple states, new york, california, maryland that have passed measures that require school districts when they buy new buses after 2035 to go all electric. it is going to force change in an emerging industry. i had fun writing that one. host: this is ted in north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: yes. they should have electricity and solar panels and windmills and electric cars going so many miles. they are going to recharge. they do not realize gas guzzles electricity. thank you.

guest: one know of the things these bus companies are working on that every electric vehicle company is working on is range. if you cannot it more than 200, 300 miles. everyone has a standard in their head of how far you can go. range is a huge conversation in this industry. host: a question from lou on twitter. could you comment on interest rates right now? allstate and local projects are financed, not paid with cash. guest: the infrastructure bill allocated x billion dollars, that goes less far when the cost of the goods is higher, interest rates are higher. bi partisan infrastructure law is -- one of our reporters was talking to one of the --they are saying

these projects have not started yet. the infrastructure law is about a year old. the rubber is going to meet the road in three or four years after the law passed, because it takes time for the states to prioritize their projects and for the projects to break ground. host: akron, ohio. good morning. caller: we've got two issues on the bill in ohio to vote on this coming election. one is required course to consider factors like public safety when setting the amount of bail. that is common sense to me. i do not know why, where that went wrong. like you just bail everybody out no matter what. you have got to consider that. you've got to consider, are they going to endanger the public or not. issue number two, prohibit local

government from allowing non-electors to vote. that means that american citizens are legal to vote. if they are registered. that is another, sense thing. why would we let just anybody vote? the democrats first bill when they first got into office was hr one, to nationalize voting without any integrity at all. i do not know why somebody would think that it is prejudiced or bigoted or whatever they think it is to require somebody to sell a legal ballot to vote. you've got a identities vote, that do not make sense to me. host: you bring up a couple of issues. guest: i think it brings up two issues we are going to be covering. the voting rights conversation

is a conversation happening differently in ohio then it is in a bluer state like oregon or california. bail reform is huge, a fascinating set of issues that people are bringing up in a lot of different states. there are some states loosening bail, some making it stricter. this is the wonderful thing about covering these states. ohio is one of the few legislators -- legislatures that is full-time. when you think about different things happening in states across the country, ohio has its own set of stories. there is a major scandal around money for a nuclear power plant that ended up getting the speaker of the house booted from office. this is a great set of stories we get to cover. host: the issue of bail reform and criminal justice, this chart is from the prison policy

project. it is the whole pie of people incarcerated in the united states. we talk about federal criminal justice reform, this slice of the pie applies to people in federal prisons is about 208,000 people. it is that brown slice down there. this green slice, people in state prisons. that is about 1,000,042 thousand. another 540 7000 people in local jails. that is where people are locked up in this country, by and large. guest: you can apply this chart to just about anything in terms of the way money is spent on things that government does. the federal department of education, when they deliver money to schools, the sheriff of a school's budget that comes from the money comes from state and local governments. from the taxes you pay to your state or local government.

not the feds. so many of the big things running through america today, we designed the whole country to funnel decisions to the local and state level. we think it is important to cover that state and local level, that is where interesting policy is happening. that is where a lot of these legislators at their ideas. there are 7000 state legislators in america. those legislators, the vast majority of them are part time. they have second jobs. the vast majority of them do not have staff like members of congress. the state legislators have none. where do they look for their good ideas? their colleagues, other states. if minnesota, iowa, kansas does something interesting on electric buses or criminal justice reform or anything, a

legislator in north carolina or california will take note. that is why it is important for us to cover these local policy battles, they become the policy battle that happens in your backyard. host: this is jeff, nebraska. good morning. caller: yeah. i think americans are getting bamboozled on this whole power thing. they can buy all the buses they want. they can make all these cars, electric. they can put the power stations in. where are they going to get the power to do it right now? we've got california, who shuts down half the state because they cannot put power in their state. all these greenies talk about coal, oil, this drilling and stuff. what china goes all the way

around the world, they do the same thing these special minerals we have to have to make solar panels and windmills. they are the same thing, the coal people and oil people are doing. there is no difference. we better wake up. host: let rita wilson jump in. you struck a chord with electric buses. guest: i am a super nerd. i love it. i'm going to point to the guy i referenced earlier, the speaker of the house of west virginia. when you think of industry in west virginia, you think of coal. he told me they want to get to a point where coal is too expensive to burn. they want to get to that. too valuable to burn, i do not want to create problems for anybody too much. his point was, a lot of the

minerals jeff was talking about that going to solar panels, the chips in your tablet or smart phone, you can get them from coal. as we move away from a coal-based electric system, those elements become more valuable as the smart chip than they do to burn. there is a reason west virginia wanted to attract an electric bus manufacturer. you are diversifying your economy with manufacturing jobs that are going to pay well and probably better than some industries that exist already. and, you get to make coal into something more valuable and take away that power from china for whoever else it is that his mining minerals. it was fascinating to hear from him, from the guy -- a conservative republican in a conservative state based on coal, they want to use coal for something else.

host: we are probably going to do a segment every week or so until the midterm elections about house races, senate races, what are you watching for in state legislatures? guest: i feel like we talk about the same sets of states every few years. we talked about redistricting earlier, there are fewer competitive seats out there. that trickles down. there are fewer competitive legislative chambers. that is the way people measure relative partisan power. it is amazing to me that we are living in a post- 2010 world. republicans dominated, took act of several thousand state legislative states across the country, and congress in the middle of barack's first term in office. -- have ebbed and flowed in recent years.

in the state legislatures, things are exactly the same. republicans control about two thirds of the legislative chambers in america. democrats control a little more than a third. there are two states in the country that heavy divided adjust later,, democrats control one chamber, republicans, the other. those states are minnesota and virginia. we may see one or two more states added this year. those are the only two. you've got a map up there, the one state that does not have any control is the nebraska legislature. it is a unicameral senate. they have one chamber, technically nonpartisan. but, republicans control it. host: that map is from the washington post.

to give a sense of control of state legislatures and how it has changed over 40 years. this map on the left, from 1980. the states that are blue where democrats control the state that slater's -- state legislatures. 2020, the difference of blue and red. guest: alabama, arkansas. around the turn of this century -- there are interesting nuances. i talked about the ohio scandal, there are interesting stories. forget policy, there are interesting political stories in every state. alaska as a red state there. alaska's statehouse has more republicans than democrats, but is run by a coalition which is all the democrats, a few independent and one or two republicans. there is a big feud there. if you google a picture of the

alaska house caucus, the majority caucus, you find a picture of a group of state legislators that you would not pick out as state legislators. there is a guy who looks like a fishing boat captain sitting in front. it is fascinating. interesting stories and every state across the country. in a place like alaska, yeah, there are more republicans than democrats. technically, democrats have control. host: what do you think is going to happen to the political landscape in michigan because of the new voting districts and laws? guest: michigan is an interesting example. the governor race there does not look terribly competitive. governor whitmer is leading the republican nominee dixon by a wide margin.

there comes a point at which a big lead generates its own coattails. republicans hope control of the state house and senate -- there is a chance if the democratic governor wins reelection by a wide margin, she can sweep a democratic majority, or at least democratic gains into power. not a guarantee, but democrats are moral -- more hopeful. that -- governors races this year are fascinating, incredibly different. there are swing state democrats in pennsylvania, michigan, doing well. and are probably going to win reelection. at the same time, there are democratic governors and democratic held governors seats in places like new mexico, oregon and nevada that are

probably luer states. republicans are doing well. organs is its own interesting, there is a independent candidate who is a former democrat. oregon hasn't elected a republican governor since 1982, they could this year. that guy in the -- host: that guy in the fishing cap. i love it. david in wisconsin. good morning. caller: good morning. mr. wilson, have you ever wondered of the american legislative exchange council? guest: yes. i have. caller: basically, my understanding is what they do. there is a big group of people, mostly republicans, that draft these bills and send them right to members of these legislatures. my state, wisconsin, we have a

super majority of republicans. even though probably to my understanding, more democrats actually vote in wisconsin then republicans, we are so gerrymandered. this has gone on for quite a while. one of our congressmen got onto that, he is a democrat. he reported on what they do. basically, these people are copying things that are given to them by this group. like your comments on that. guest: the american legislative exchange council is called alec. state innovation exchange, ra nonpartisan group, the state council of governments, they get together and share ideas.

and model legislation comes from a lot of places, you will see it coming from alec, the progressive version of alec, you will see it coming from pro-or anti-choice groups. you will see it coming from --reform groups. a lot of these legislators are part-time, they are temporary. they do not have a lot of staff. they are looking to other states for good ideas. that is a big part of why we exist at pluribus news. when in cfl does, we are able to report on that and say, look what is coming to your state next. it started in wisconsin, ohio, is going to move to your state next. i think putting together these pieces across state lines is going to be valuable. we do not pay enough attention to what happens at the state level. what happens at the state level

has more impact on what happens in your life and mine than what happens in that wilting over there. host: this is carol in north ritual -- north ridgeville. caller: good morning. i have a question about the energy issue, we know batteries will be coming from china. my main question is regarding florida and the hurricane. the people there, without plugging in for batteries or whatever, but helicopters in the air, boats gone down and trying to help these people. energy without oil, gas, coal, how are they going to rebuild florida and how will they be helped right now without the energy that we have today? guest: good question. i hope florida does rebuild

quickly. the images were horrifying. when infrastructure is built, i think we are going to see more focus on the electric vehicles. that infrastructure that carol is talking about. host: is there a story to deal with disaster response? so much focus ahead of ian on whether president biden and ron desantis would be able to work together, more focus on this at times than the impending storm. guest: i am a big fan of stories of state emergency managers. craig seagate, you've got coming on. host: 40 minutes. guest: he was a state emergency manager before he started running fema. host: he was in florida. guest: not a lot a better places to prepare. those state emergency managers,

there is a training ground -- a step before you get to something like fema. the state make these plans for hurricane response, i was talking to the king county executive, where seattle is. i was talking to them about earthquakes. earthquakes are a big deal in the pacific northwest. the big one is what everybody fears out there. these mayors, county executives and governors sit down with each other and do the tabletop exercises to prepare. where do they need to pre-position the supplies they are going to rebuild? that happens everywhere across the country. it happens in areas prone to hurricanes, areas prone to floods or earthquakes, anything like that. the first people that are going to be there when ian hits, it is

not fema, and is not the feds, it is your local police department, or state troopers paid through the state budget. host: to florida, lonnie in tampa florida, republican. go ahead. i know you are there. go for it. caller: hi. i know you are there, too. i'm sorry. i got interested in something else. i am interested in sharing something about the situation this morning. i heard someone earlier today staying, comparing america's ability to step to an opportunity figure it out and conquer it. it is like, we cannot do that anymore. we know we are going to be in world war ii. it is something we won do -- want to do, we do it.

we have got to leave each other alone. step back for a minute. you know? just, remember who we are. we sold this show to other planets now. if this is so wonderful, let them see it the wonderful. host: an interesting topic, there is so much focus on the partisanship, on the partisan battle on capitol hill in that building behind me. i wonder if people would get a different sense of how divided this country is, if their focus wasn't primarily that building but the 50 state capitals. guest: we did a roundtable with legislators a couple weeks ago, including a state assembly woman who represents berkeley and oakland in the california legislator -- legislature.

and the speaker, whose district does not have a stoplight. you couldn't imagine two different people. they started talking about housing and how building becomes a law, coalitions among contractors and labor in their particular state. it was a lovely conversation between two people who one had a r after their name, a d after the other name, they didn't have the harsh glare of fox, nbc, the assumption of partisanship on their backs. if you talk to state legislators, they have -- 49 states have a balance budget amendment. at forces their hand in policy measures. that pressure to get something done leads to a lot more

bipartisanship than i think you would think. 99% of the time you hear about a legislature is because they have done something crazy. outrageous of the left -- outraged of the left, outrage of the right. they are trying to fix something. there is so much more focus on things that can be fixed, the potholes, broadband access. broadband access is the other huge thing coming out of this infrastructure bill. so many people in america are going to get access to high-speed internet because of this. it is going to be people in central oakland who never had the infrastructure built and people in rural west virginia. host: you talked about the harsh glare of fox news and msnbc. both of them are in this building. you are entering this space and are going to be part of news coverage of state governments.

i'm wondering, how much attention they are getting from state papers and local papers? the state of the journalistic union as it were in that state and local governments? guest: i like that. that is a good title. host: we do it every day on this program. guest: true. it is not great. the number of people who cover state legislatures is declining across the country. the first time i walked into the press briefing room in california, i looked around and every seat had a plaque with a name of some outlet that was their designated seat. i asked my buddy who worked for the l.a. times, where am i supposed to sit? he goes, sit wherever you want. 70% of these outlets do not exist or do not send anybody anymore.

that is the situation in every state capitol in america. the press covering that legislature is dwindling. it is a shame. a big part -- i am not here to change local news. i am that smart. one thing we can do at pluribus news is highlight the work of other people doing it. we have a free newsletter, please sign up at pluribusnews.com. that is going to highlight reporting that happens in state capitals. we may not be able to change the world, but we can drive traffic to the seattle times, the des moines register. host: two texas, jerry is a republican. good morning. caller: mr. wilson, -- has shut down. a power plant. it was eight teen50 megawatt plant.

it would take 13,000 acres. they are closing down close to 8000 power plants. it was 1600 megawatts, it will take close to 12,000 acres. in 2010, i had a hailstorm that destroyed my roof. and had to have it replaced. a couple years ago, i had another hailstorm. it destroyed my roof again. if i had solar panels on my roof, they would have been destroyed and so with those 25,000 acres of solar panels when the hailstorm came through this area and came through both of them if they had been solar. host: back to the energy issue. guest: i guess we struck a nerve. every state, jerry brings up a good point. there is weather, it determines a lot of what happens in the

energy space. he is in texas, texas had a hard time with snowstorms last year. they might have again this year. an earlier caller talked about california's power grid, these are state issues. no legislative from bc is going to change fundamental politics in texas or anywhere else. host: last call from dennis in watertown. good morning. caller: i was going to bring up the subject of the previous caller, the landmass for solar and wind. is there a study for a major metro area, say l.a., new york. what kind of land would need to be provided to build a structure like that, to supply that with your solar energy and wind

energy? with new york city, would it take -- a possibility where they almost had to level long island, would that land be enough supply the acreage to do that for the city of new york? guest: i am going to call right after this and say, get on the solar energy stuff. we can go to the state legislatures and figure out who is doing what on solar panels, and how does that makes with nuclear, hydro at a time when the colorado river is at record low levels. there is so much to cover. i'm thrilled to do this. host: it is @pluribusnews on twitter. reid wilson joining us on their launch day. thanks. guest: i'm going to put the newsletter together now. thanks. host: coming up, we are joined

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new york times story, race has a major role in -- shift to the right may go one. it is opening day of the 2022, 2023 term of the supreme court. you can watch arguments beginning at 10:00 a.m. on c-span.org, we are covering those opening arguments. it is a case of the environmental protection agency you will be hearing at 10:00 a.m., when justices take to the bench. the front page of the wall street journal this morning, the picture that goes along with the devastation that you can see in that photo. the headline, southeast assesses damage in wake of hurricane ian. we are joined in about 25 minutes i former fema administrator to talk about the federal government's role in disaster response. not a front-page headline, but an advertisement in the wall street journal you may be interested in.

cuomo is back, is how they describe it. chris cuomo returns with an all new show on news nation, paying for that advertisement in today's wall street journal. chris cuomo according to the rap.com starting his second chapter of his career after his ouster from cnn after being picked up from competitor news nation. the rap rights cuomo seeking $125 million in damage after being terminated by former cnn president after it was discovered he was advising his brother on how to navigate the sexual harassment allegations brought against him. a couple things to find in today's papers. jim is out of texas. good morning. caller: mi on? -- am i on? i am a retired, i live on a

relative income. i wondered why there is no mention in the news about, the television or the paper, about this terrible situation we have with the stock market. it completely -- it is completely collapsing. why doesn't anyone talk about it or what is going to be done about it? i would really like to hear somebody say something about it and try to fix it. that is my comment for today. host: this is, in belcher, kentucky. good morning. caller: i do not have no stock. i worked in the coal mines all my life. i work for a living. i do not worry about stock.

also, biden, they try to act like trump is a strong man. if he was so strong, why didn't he go to the military when he was younger? why did he buddy up with putin? if he was still in there, i do not think ukraine would have had a chance. i think trump would have gave us to putin, because he loved him just like he loved the north korean leader getting all them love letters. i would like to add, why people cannot understand that we was in danger all the time as trump as president. that is my comment. host: that is tommy in kentucky. the national archives and

records administration says it hasn't uncovered presidential record supposed to be turned over at the end of the trump administration, some white house staff had conducted business using accounts forwarded to their electronic accounts. as appropriate, the national archives would consult with the justice department on whether to initiate action to recover records that may have been removed in potential violation of the presidential records, that is another one of those stories you will be finding today in the wall street journal. taking a look at major papers as we hear from you in our open forum. any political issue, any state issue you want to talk about. (202) 748-8000 four democrats. (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8002 four independence.

good morning. caller: good morning. you guys have a rare occasion, once a month, you do open forum at the beginning of the 7:00 hour for one whole hour. that way, when you want to call in, you have time to call in and have open topic for anybody who wants to talk about something. it is waiting around for 30 minutes, 20 minutes at a time to have open forum does not seem to work out so good. host: why is that? caller: i had trouble getting in right now, just now. i kept being cut off or being dropped. i was saying, maybe devote a

whole hour to open forum. do it like once a month or something. host: appreciate that. now that you are here, what is on your mind besides how to get here? caller: [laughter] well, i do not know if it has anything to do with a open topic yet. the ground swell of vacant building-ism. we have so many vacant buildings. they promised they would starting -- they would be starting to tear down these vacant fillings. we've got a stretch that work their way down main street, it is all vacant. boarded up. they have been promising to be torn down. they have money in the works to tear down these will things. nothing is happening.

yet, they tore down my hospital that i live close by to. within months after they closed it down, they tore it down right before the pandemic hit. [laughter] so, i want to say -- start tearing down some of these houses, businesses that are boarded up when they get a chance. go in there, build them down. clear them out. host: this is david in virginia, independent. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i've got a couple issues i wanted to bring up. number one, the division in washington is so bad, i am not sure it could ever be repaired

without something like term limits in congress, may be limits for supreme court. that would be the first thing. the second thing, during the last campaign, the 2020 campaign, biden brought up the fact that if any president on his watch had 2000 -- 200,000 deaths from covid, he didn't deserve to be president. in the biden administration, there has been 800,000 deaths. we are up to one million deaths now. is he four times worse than trump was on handling covid-19? one final comment on roe v. wade , it has been a controversial issue for all of these years. never codified in congress. i would like to see a national referendum on that issue, say in

2024. thanks for taking my comments. i appreciate c-span. host: lancaster, california. kyle, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i have been watching the show, i have paid attention since i got into politics. i voted for the first time. i have been watching this. from what i have seen, i have seen a party conspire with a english spy to overturn a incumbent president, to spy on a incumbent president, and these people want to take my guns. i am wondering. people say, trump, bad man. that man. i am bewildered. i watched biden and see a party, 50 intelligent people saying

bidens voice -- russian information. was he the same people that found weapons of mass destruction? i see corruption. icy a sickness -- i see a sickness that these people cannot do the right thing for the country. host: continue to call now is your time to lead the program and talk about issues. i do want to head to the sunshine state to the tampa area. i am joined by congressman kathy castor. thanks for coming on and we were showing viewers pitches earlier from the damage from hurricane ian.

how was the 14th district? guest: here in tampa, where wap -- where one year ago i was boarding up the house -- we could go, i was boarding up the house, and there was evacuation issue here for the tempe up -- for the tampa area. we were getting ready for a total evacuation and by tuesday, the storm inched to the east a little bit on the track. our good fortune in the tampa bay area, really, -- a lot of folks are feeling almost guilty this monday morning because of the discretion, -- this question -- destruction, devastation and the death toll in the lee county area.

the tampa buccaneers played a big football game and the kids are back in school. down south, it is an entire different story. host: what is your sentiment for recovery efforts down south and argue headed down there -- are you headed down there? guest: on we passed the government funding bill to prevent a government shutdown, we front end loaded the disaster relief fund to ensure that there are no hiccups and the first responders have the resources necessary until well after the election and so they can plan. what is happening is an extensive search-and-rescue effort. first responders from all across the state of florida, many from

in the tampa bay area and others from our local police department, from fire rescue, are down there helping with recovery. we expect president biden to be here this week to survey the damage and meet with local residents. it has been very heartening to have the fema administrator on the ground and what have seen along the interstate highway systems, enormous amounts of aid pouring into lee county and other counties to the flooded areas in the center part of the state that don't get as much attention as the coastal areas. host: coming to tampa, you are talking about the fear of a worse -- worst-case hit on tampa and there is a lot of talk about

the destruction that could cause. has this changed the way people are viewing and preparing for hurricanes in tampa and is there more that can be done to prepare for and move people out of the most dangerous parts of the area? it is one of the fastest growing cities in the country and only continues to grow. guest: there are a number of action items. because of climate change and warmer waters in the gulf of along the length to coast -- mexico and along the atlantic coast, things have intensified. many people are aghast at how quickly her tv and turn lower category hurricane into -- it was bumping across -- along a

category five and the size of the storm so some of the resources from the federal government that we will deploy relate even to the inflation reduction act. people know the inflation reduction act as lowering the cost of prescription drugs and putting a cap on prescription drugs. for those at medicare, capping insulin at $35 and providing tax credits but the other part of the act is the large infection event -- investments in clean energy and climate resilience. that means resources for local communities across the country, but especially in flooding areas to improve building. when you look at the devastating pictures of which structures are still standing and which structures were destroyed,, they

were constructed after the building codes were of ice -- revised after hurricane andrew, they did a lot better than structures that were not subject to updated building codes so that is something that has to be deployed and updated across flood prone areas. not just coastal areas. new building codes should include -- and the inflation reduction and provides resources to help folks to handle solutions that attenuate floods. we learned in florida, it is not smart to turn down your mangroves or tear down some of the other natural rocky areas. it is not smart to dredge and fill wetlands because those are buffers for flood and storm

surge. there are resources in the inflation reduction act to help and the other part of the government funding bill extended the natural -- national flood insurance program but we have to make sure flood insurance is affordable so that people that are in flood prone areas, especially with updated science because sea levels are rising, we need updated information. it is important to make sure the national flood insurance program is there for folks and they understand the risks. host: when people hear about select health committees, they think about the january 6 committee. can you remind folks what the select committee on the climate crisis is and what have you done in the congress as it comes to an end? >> the select city on the

climate crisis is a bipartisan committee where we have been focused on solving the climate crisis. top sciences -- scientists say we have a rapidly closing window -- floods and wildfires and a couple years ago, we issued a climate crisis action plan and it was the most extensive report on what congress can do to solve the climate crisis and a big chunk of our recommendations has been enacted into law. i encourage everyone to go to the committee websites. it is climatecrisis. house.gov. a big portion of that was included in the inflation reduction at -- and make

families and communities more energy independent. a good website on the cost saving -- is rewiringamerica.com. you can put in your zip code and see the tax credits to replace your appliances and your ac? cost-efficient -- ac with more cost efficient appliances. host: you mentioned it being a bipartisan committee. do you note this committee will continue if republicans take over the house? guest: we will be fortunate that joe biden and the biden administration will keep hammering out those important inflation reduction act recommendations. they are funded for tenders but

we have -- 10 years but we have to cut reliance on fossil fuels and the work cost for consumers and build safer communities. i hope that the republican party congress would come around and sink with public opinion across america to know that we have to do more to solve the climate crisis and reduce the cost and risk that people are experiencing. guest: kathy castor -- host: kathy castor represents the 14 district in florida. make you so much for taking the time to join us. we have a few minutes left to take your call on any political issue if you want to talk about. donna has been waiting in pennsylvania -- donald has been waiting in pennsylvania. good morning. caller: i wanted -- i tried

calling saturday but i wanted to call this morning to recognize former president jimmy carter on saturday, october 1, he celebrated his 98th birthday and a couple interesting points about jimmy carter. he is number one, the longest living former president and -- record for the longest married presidential -- 76 plus years so i wanted to give credit to president carter today and wish him a belated 90th birthday. host: a headline from the associated press story on his 90th birthday, jimmy carter and somebody with family and friends and baseball down in georgia.

donna in missouri. republican. caller: i have some things. california does not control all the states. we talk about a lot what california is doing and they are trying to push their ideology on all the states. they have to realize we are country people. we talk about the stocks. but about the inside trading some of these congresspeople are doing? if we did it, we would get in trouble, like martha stewart. the stocks are high but they probably pulled out. we had a good congressman, jason smith and he is checking this out. our stocks are up. this congress still have stocks in it? did they get in trouble? we have farmers that need help. in missouri, we don't want california pushing their

ideology on us. see if an electric tractor would work. we need gas. we need to bow over people and not the party -- votes for people and not the party. host: good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. my problem is with the congress and the -- everybody that is calling yourself. they always call with a problem but nobody wants to call and offer a solution of any kind. i wish that i could -- make an invitation to go and address congress for the old congresses -- congressman by my age, they know all about the stuff that happened in the 40's and 60's and it is time for them to retire.

if i could get an invitation to go there and address the joy -- join session of congress and tell the -- them about the stuff, this would strengthen -- strain this country out once and for all. the young people that understand -- do not know what we went through back in the 50's. we have all these antique ideas put -- push across for the younger people and they want to ban the books that propane -- pertained to all of this. they can't read about history. if you abandon history, they have taken away the ingredients of life in the united states. it is real on --ununited. host: grover in north carolina,

republican. was on your mind -- what is on your mind? caller: what is on my mind is a hurricane. i live in north carolina and people in florida have been stated. -- devastated. the hurricane came through north carolina but the area where i live in, we needed the rain. it is dry in eastern north carolina and thank god we did get waned --wind and not a lot of damage and i praise god we were blessed during the hurricane. host: grover, what is the worst storm that you have seen in north carolina? caller: that was back in the mid-1950's. i was in grade school. host: what do you remember? caller: we didn't know anything

about the hurricane until after it hit us. the number one thing i remember about hurricane hazel is a lot of water and wind. it took down a lot of trees and i did a lot of hunting. i can hardly recognize anything. you recognize big trees and landmark trees and i couldn't see anything. it did a number on the trees and -- in the area which i with and the amount of water. host: we are talking the big 1950's -- made 1950's --mid 1950's? caller: yes. host: there wasn't a lot of tracking and it just showed up? caller: there was no storm

trekkie -- storm trekkie and no forecast and the weather. the weather was reported as it happened. i understand we could have the forecast but you take this when it just happened, they can never -- they never could figure out what it could make landfall. we have one forecast saying it will hit here and another forecaster said it would hit there. from the time they leave the coast of africa, no one knows where hurricane will go. i think it causes apprehension amongst the people that are watching television,, going to get hit or not get hit -- am i going to get hit or not get hit? they need to scale back on the forecast until exactly -- if they can determine where it is going to go.

people be aware. hunker down. if you think you are going to be hit directly, do not stay in the area. there is a lot of dead people involved that if they had common sense, they would have gotten out of the area and moved to the east coast of florida or wherever they could go to get out of the way of the storm. host: we will talk about some of the issues we will bring up in the next section of washington journal. that is grover in north carolina and we will be joined by former fema administrator craig fugate to talk about hurricane relief and recovery. stick around for that conversation and we will be right back.

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evacuation maps. they provide decision support tools and there is a software program that is a decision support tool for local officials. fema has staffed that goes to be hurricane center whose job is to reach out with local officials to help community -- communicate what the hurricane centers are seen. the meteorologists are part of the briefing. usually it is the director and finally, it is about when the storm and start tuning and making sure all the pieces are getting as much information they can because we know the hurricane's -- the former director was famous of saying don't focus on the skinny black line and what hurricane ian is showing us, communicating uncertainty is difficult even in while forecasted storms and would you

have a storm as parallel though florida coast, slight changes can be a big difference and the emphasis on evacuations. there is a lot of work that goes through the storm. during the storm, it is simple. they anticipate state requests and moving in additional search-and-rescue teams. at the aftermath, this is the recovery after the camo sleepwear fema is working to support local governments in rebuilding their uninsured losses and that can take years. it is other agencies that are required to support this and fema's -- they are the first money but they are not the less money.

that is the rest of the federal agencies looking at the long-term. host: you mentioned the last color. he was talking about that experience during hurricane hazel during the 1950's saying they have no warning. talk about tracking and how much farther can we go in tracking storms? do you think we will get to a place where we will know when the storm starts from the coast of africa, pretty much well -- where it will end? guest: goes back to committee -- it goes back to computer modeling. i have been in the business long enough where originally, they only gave a three day forecast in the 50's and 60's, there was little lead time. when you look at loss of life,

the biggest killer was storm surge. that number has gone down with forecast warnings. hurricane katrina hit and the numbers went up. hurricane ian, the numbers went up. how do you communicate uncertainty that you are at risk, even if the skinny like line is a coming to you and the tendency to focus on where we will think it makes landfall. he -- ian was a huge storm and i don't think people were saying this but -- u.s. storm surge down in the florida keys while away from the center -- well away from the center and that is what the challenge was the hurricane center talked about. we will have impacts well away from the central circulation. that is a shower area and the water can get high and the water

is -- unless you go through it, it is hard to explain. i wonder how may people think about devastation and say that was when. most of the damage of the coast was water damage. host: that is your sense as you may have seen more recent numbers. 80 people dead. it is expected to rise. that storm surge was a killer, mostly? guest: it was part of that. one other thing is after the hurricane, it is dangerous and the way they count five tallies -- fatalities, they look at what was caused by the hurricane and indirect deaths that was caused by falls and carbon dioxide. you look at how did people lose their lives? what was that so we can understand that?

there are questions and this is the perfect opportunity to point out that in congress, they have a bill. this is something i have advocated for. we have a national transportation safety board goes under -- for plane crashes. they will find out what happened and what people thought but trying to get down to what decisions were made? why did that crash occurred? our air traffic is so much safer compared to where it was in the 70's and 60's. that is something, -- congress has a bill right now to ask if we should -- look at these things and try to get the answers of why these things happened. why did it happen? how can we change that so the next disaster, we are not repeating this and improve

systems? host: why can't fema do that? do they have their hands full? guest: you have to plan the perspective -- i have been part of the after action parts in fema and it is a national -- natural tendency issue to get further away from the disaster. you are not getting to the uncomfortable answers and i think we need someone independent -- you don't want to be in a position to be critical of everything. having an independent agency that does not work for fema or homeland concert -- security. like that national transportation board, they don't work for the faa. the opinions are based on what they found and what they recommend and that is an dependence -- independence.

>> we are talking to craig seagate. our program ends at 10:00. if you are in the time zones, it is -- eastern time zones, "washington journal" continues. --(202) 748-8001 --(202) 748-8000. if you have been impacted by hurricane ian, it is (202) 748-8002. guest: i get asked this question, why do we have to wait for a disaster to find how bad it will be? machine learning is used to have

a better understanding on how disasters impact. how does it affect the infrastructure? we look at the function versus the building and go, -- earthquakes and high winds, how are they impacted and as we saw florida with the extreme rainfall, one of the things we looked at is how do you forecast the impact of extreme rainfall that goes beyond the flood insurance rate reps -- rates maps. places that have never flood it will flood and can we identify that and look at hospitals and other infrastructure. host: you mentioned the flood insurance program. that program has a borrowing authority of a $30 billion limits but it is a rope and that is often in -- program that is often in the red.

why is that and explain how that program works. guest: it was created by the federal government in the 60's when the commercial industry got out of flood coverage. congress acted to protect mortgages and created the flood insurance program. one of the challenges has always been -- it is very difficult as a government based insurance program to act like an insurance program. historically, that has been a conflict of if you start raising prices, it causes either people to drop insurance our congress is concerned if they are making it unaffordable. fema has been implementing risk 2.0. we tried to move to basing the

rest by the home and pricing it -- the risk at the home and pricing it accordingly. we turned back to the treasury -- the taxpayers to make up the difference. congress has periodically forgiven debt. don't think of flood insurance is as -- insurances as commercial. host: from florida, this is connie. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i went to speak with someone who has worked for fema -- i wanted to speak with someone who works for fema. -- worked for fema.

i was in in florida -- and land in florida --inland in florida. i am between tampa and florida -- orlando and i was surprised to see in a wooded area behind my home, there is a human use -- humongous flood zone. there is no river back there. it must be a low-lying land. i did not see any explanation. there are all sorts of areas in in land florida -- and how frequently are these maps updated and why are there no other designations than the one gear --year left -- -- flood

-- our governor said the flooding that took place is the once in a 500 year period. i have a feeling that i am in the zone. guest: we call those maps flood insurance rate maps and the zone is based on areas and it doesn't have to be on a river or lake. it is low-lying areas that exceeds the risk for 1% based on historical data and the reason the zone a is so important, that is where it triggers. there were carter meant -- the requirements -- there is a requirement to purchase flood insurance and it is optional for people outside of that. we talk about the flood maps and we don't identify it is a rates insurance map. if you are not in zone a, the

insurance doesn't cost as much but it doesn't mean you don't have a flood risk so there was an article a month ago that talked about 5000 year flood events. working backwards is going to challenge and the, schrader of -- prime minister -- administrator up --of fema -- we are finding out in florida and we will see this in other states. probably less than 20% of people that had flood damage have flood insurance. the fema system will not make them whole. we ran into this in better rouche 2016. saw this -- you saw this in hurricane harvey where the flood is getting so bad and exceeding the 1% risk that just because it is not a mandatory purchase

requirement, is probably a good idea to purchase what insurance outside of flood in because if you do flood, your homeowners policy covers it. be insurance risk is much lower. host: it is time to do away of these terms like a 500 year flood? do people understand what these terms need -- mean? guest: no. the terminology, -- we are trying to convey uncertainty and getting people to understand the probability of something happening but we are talking about the terms of insurance. instead of being upfront and saying, generally, when you live in these areas, when you get extreme rainfall events which are not always going to be hurricanes. rising water, the average home,

the water is $25,000 plus damages. financially, we have put a lot of people that are at extreme risk low on these maps, saying i don't live near the flood, it doesn't mean that and we have to be clear about flood risk and that is changing. what i have heard, it doesn't get that bad, i don't need flood insurance and i go back after the hurricane and they say i don't think it would -- i didn't think it would bps -- be this bad. fema does not supply funding to people that have full coverage

from their insurance. they provide coverage to people that don't have insurance and they primarily assist people who don't have insurance and don't have the means to get a loan from the ball -- small business administration so when you talk about the billions of dollars they go out the door for fema, it is often going to people that have a loss that was not covered by insurance. flood is when of the fastest growing risks -- one of the fastest growing risks. host: it is -- is it time to think -- re-think where we built -- we built -- the building --r ebuild? guest: and other places, it is looking at how you engineer but the thing i know is building the back -- it back the way it was

will just result in the next disaster. from some damage from superstorm sandy, some communities said we will take the properties on the front of this and we will buy those out and turned them into parts and a buffer area and built behind the areas but we will elevate and increase the building codes. at means it is looking at how do you take advantage of natural, defensive spaces and deconstruction that allow storms to go in and come out. host: atlanta georgia. this is calvin. --kelvin. caller: my question is what does a person that don't have resources to be able to just up and move and maybe don't have a car and maybe you are elderly,

what does a person like that do to try to get out of the way? guest: where tornadoes, -- with tornadoes, you won't have much time and when you look at fatalities at -- and various types of natural hazards, the portion of the loss of life is elderly people. what we can do about that is probably more than i have time to talk about but talking about hurricanes, this goes back to local programs and what we saw after hurricane andrew, doing better planning for institutions like nursing homes and hospitals, making sure the shelters are survivable and people have ways to get there and when we talk about evacuation, people don't have

money and gas is expensive and don't have a car. that is why we open up and they look -- work closely with organizations. they have shelters so people have somewhere to go and they provide various forms of transportation, including sending ambulances out for people that are medical depended or needs -- need some wheelchairs or other needs. these are things that counties and cities work on. the challenge is getting people to understand if you don't have the resources, the way to the storm is threatening to find out how you get transportation. try to find out where you can get an ambulance or a wheelchair accessible vehicle and in counties, they are opening up shelters, and they are more pet friendly. it used to be, they tell you to

leave your pets behind. a lot of places are pet friendly and the images i was pleased to see are the search-and-rescue operations, they are taking pets. host: officials face questions over the late evacuation order in lee county. this is lynn on twitter who asked, do you think they gave week -- lee county enough advance warning and she says no. she says the administrations have blood on their hands. guest: i have been doing this for a long time and i am not in the emergency center listening to the conversation and seeing the data. it is hard for me to tell and that is why i think something like a national disaster safety

board can look at what happened. we want to go back to the decision-making. making decision and ordering a evacuation is not risk free and when we move evacuations in frail populations, we have loss of life. you also have to look at and moving people, particularly in southwest florida. those counties are dependent on i 75 going north and south and going into the miami area and i-4 fourth-quarter. there is an -- not a lot of big transportation. there is a lot of moving pieces and there are a lot of questions and i am not in the position to provide answers and observing from the outside, i am not there and i could not tell you where -- what they are doing and bring

a national disaster safety board is a way to find out what was the decision-making. host: jeff is in arizona. caller: c-span keeps putting me in douglas. that is not where i am. you are talking about the follow-up investigation and i like the idea. one of the things we should consider is that we have an infinite command structure. we have some things we can use for forensic analysis. we are not taking advantage of that. machine intelligence, i like your [indiscernible] considering i know something about that and i have to point out that the racist trading data

we use in the country is a considerable drawback. there is nothing more races in the country and the way we construct the kinds of facilities that are particularly damaged and they flood and living in the [no audio] talking about the role of evacuation and fire, making that evacuation decision is not easy. people lose their lives. my hats off to come up following up on that -- my hats off to, falling off -- following up on that -- guest: we use this command to manage the -- there is a lot of information that they are

collecting. there will be an opportunity to look at the data and the recorded information. these are things we will see happening afterwards. high point to challenge this -- i want to challenge the question. people go, what happens? that is the easy question. why does it happen? how can we provide information and support tools to get to better decisions based upon what we are learning? if we say, here is what happened but don't change anything, we will repeat this. host: a question from somebody in maryland asking is there a webpage that lists documents that fema and insurance companies will need and where should the documents be stored since in disaster, they might get blown away.

guest: if you go to fema -- they will tell you about the documentation and they accept various forms of documentation to ensure people get help about screening out people that don't have a drivers license and other things. one of the best tools -- is if you have a camera, take pictures. if you have a phone, take pictures. the able to record information. if you look at evacuation writings, one of the things they tell you is put all your documents, including your insurance stuff, on backs and take them with you. when you're in a hurry, you may not be able to find that stuff and don't waste time looking for it if you have to get out but fema has information and particularly for the fema assistance under the individual

household programs, they are looking at the uninsured losses so if you don't have insurance, that is where fema will be working. if you do, go file your claim to see if things that are not covered that are eligible for fema systems and we will look at the process. host: to braden in florida -- south of tampa. this is bill. caller: my question is not really a question and i am wondering if, for every foot, of surge, a standard could be developed that each foot has a certain power, meeting push -- meeting push forward -- meaning push forward and develop

standards for building coastal housing. it is somebody concept pressure coming to blow off and take a house down. i know you have to guess that the search will happen -- surge will happen but if you have a scale that says, 1-20 feet and each foot is x number of pounds and you better have your anchors on your house this deep or whatever. i wonder if that could be possible to develop. host: thanks. guest: this is a great point and there was a theme that i remember when senator scott was governor of florida and it was a tale of three houses. there was three houses in the florida keys and one house was destroyed in the 70's -- and was

built in the 70's of 80's. one was still standing but had damage. the homes after -- built after 2004 were standing. they were elevated. they had pylons -- so the storm would go through the home under the pilings and not do damage and things like elevating the air-conditioning units of higher so they are not wiped out and that is something we do know and will we go back and rebuild, you will see those types of elevations and that engineering. we know it performs better and that will be the key requirements. you will have to build for the newer codes. the question will be, as florida's building commission looks at the impacts, both there

be any additional elevation requirements based on their findings? the florida building code takes in account the increasing storm -- surge. to a certain point, that his wife once we get out of the storm surge area and get to the elder construction. newer construction looks like bruce and other things that have failed at high rates. who are dealing with flooding and that -- you are dealing look flooding and that is why we look at buildings and areas that may not be at the high risk of flooding insurance but still has flood risk and in florida, we don't have basements. we need to look at see if there are changes. host: we are with craig fugate. if you want to talk about hurricane ian and hurricane

recovery and response efforts, it is (202) 748-8001 for mountain and specific -- specific zones. (202) 748-8000 for eastern zones and if you have been impacted by hurricane ian, it is (202) 748-8002. caller: i watched constantly to see if i had to evacuate and i knew i didn't. the spaghetti box, to a point but if you watch it closely, you know it is gone -- you know the woman who says ron desantis should be sued for not doing an evacuation. get out of florida if you don't like it because he -- did a great job and that was a terrible statement right now to do at this time.

you can do the preciseness of where this is coming. i think you for taking my call -- thank you for taking my call. host: any thoughts? guest: when you are dealing with these -- i worked in florida for hurricanes. there is a lot of opinions about what has happened and when you have been impacted, i won't try to say that that is not what happened. it is important to listen to people and hear what they are saying and try to understand what is driving this. how did they see it? this is something we learned after hurricanes is to go back in and do surveys and based on the information and how you are hearing it, what did you do? look for the things that help people make those informed

choices. those are the things that have been a challenge and officials say they tell people to evacuate and get the best information. it is the question of given what they heard and who it was coming from, what did they make the decision and how do you support better decision-making? host: what were the 2004 hurricanes you were down there working in peace sponsor efforts -- and these response efforts? guest: we had hurricane charley -- that ripped through orlando and out through volusia county. hurricane francis, which was eight slow-moving on the southeastern coast and hurricane ivan that hit the panhandle and took down di i 10 bridge across pensacola bay -- took down the

pensacola bridge -- i 10 bridge pensacola bay. there was a hurricane that crossed the state and did more damage. host: to florida, this is laura. caller: good morning. i moved to florida in 2004 and that year, we got it with three or four major hurricanes and we got it with francis and it ripped our car door off and we are in central florida but never had flooding we have now and my home is not considered in a flood zone in my whole yard was flooded and -- and my whole yard

was flooded and i am wondering i have to have flood insurance and i did not get to see what happened with everyone house because -- else because my power was out for 16 hours. this is in central florida so if i am everywhere -- if i was anywhere near water, i would be out of the state as soon as i could. host: mr. fugate. guest: we have to do a better job explaining to people what these maps are and what they are not and why flood insurance is so important and she points out, the reality. there is no point in florida where you cannot have hurricane force winds. and this is what we are seeing, the increase of extreme rainfall particularly in the in land areas. we talk about the freshwater flooding and we saw this back in

harvey and other storms and hurricane ian. this is from the national weather service perspective, they -- saw the form -- storm was not moving fast and it would be a lot of rain and historic rainfall along its path. it was really about getting people to safety and effectuating after the fact because of flooding is coming up and we are seeing the impacts. the water has to work its way through rivers to get out to the atlantic or gulf of mexico and you have flooding ongoing in the state. host: this is kathy in wisconsin. caller: i am wondering how much fema oversees -- a couple years ago, i had a family member that was in lake charles, louisiana

and lost everything. they evacuated and came back that night and rain coming in an insurance company you have to get a roof tarp -- and there are people going around as builders and locals and they are price gouging but does fema oversee any of that in the rebuilding process and control where our money is going? guest: it's a two-part question. it is a local and state government that deal with scammers and some insurance companies go out and put tarps up on either their insured properties are helping people out there don't have insurance. fema has another program. it is called operation blue reef and a contract to the core

engineers to bring in contractors to fund the tarps on the roof from wind damage to protect content and the board washer we can keep out, the better chance of recovery. when it comes to enforcement of scams, that is state and local government and when it comes to roofing operations, that is something fema will task to be core of engineers and that will bring in more resources to get roofs covers -- covert -- covered. they focus on those homeowners. host: we will have to end it there. craig fugate, we appreciate your time. but chief -- you can find him at @wcraigfugate/

. we will be back here tomorrow. in the meantime, have a great monday. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> what's coming up live on c-span today, 1130 a.m. eastern, the washington post interviewed the billionaire entrepreneur who the first all private citizen into orbit last year. at 245 p.m. eastern, president biden gives remarks on puerto rico on the administrations hurricane fiona response efforts. during his visit coming is also scheduled to meet with those impacted by the storm. at 4 p.m. eastern, ukrainian ambassador to the u.s. will talk to -- will talk