front row seat to democracy. >> coming up this morning, university of michigan krystal ball editor kyle contact talks about key races in the election. then we are joined by senior technical advisor for the january 6 committee to talk about his book "the breach." " washington journal" starts now. host: this is the washington journal for october 21. the busy newsweek internationally and domestically as president biden announces new efforts to control gas prices and nationally as midterm

elections take place in less than three weeks with poland showing positive signs for republican. we ask you to tell us what your top new story of the week is. call us at (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, and independents (202) 748-8002. if you wanted texas -- if you want to text as the top news story it is (202) 748-8003. you can post on twitter [video clip] -- you can post on twitter at @cspanwj. the liz truss story topping the news this week. the shortest tenure in history. president biden making efforts to lower gas prices, including a

plan to take more from the strategic petroleum reserve and new poland showing when it comes to midterm elections, matters of inflation giving republicans a boost in their chances to take the house and senate. the future of ukraine aid also came up. and former vice president mike pence had remarks at georgetown university, being asked about january 6 and included if you would vote for president trump. comment on any of those. maybe you have another to add to the list. call us at (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, and independents, (202) 748-8002. let's hear from liz truss resigning after six weeks in office. here is a resignation from yesterday. [video clip] >> i came into office at a time

of great economic and international instability. families and businesses were worried about how to pay their bills. putin's illegal war in ukraine threatened the security of our continent, and our country had been held back too long by low economic growth. i was elected by the conservative party with a mandate to change this. we delivered on energy bills and oncoming national insurance. we set out a vision for a low tax, high-growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of brexit. i recognize that given the situation, i cannot deliver the mandate on which i was elected by the conservative party. i have therefore spoken to his majesty the king to notify him that i am resigning as leader of

the conservative party. this morning i met the chairman of the 1922 committee. we have agreed there will be a leadership election to be completed within the next week. this will ensure we remain on a path to deliver our fiscal bang and maintain our countries economic stability and national security. i will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen. thank you. host: the resignation of liz truss remarked by some of you on our facebook page. sync it marks the shortest tenure ever for british prime minister. alexander also marking that as well from yesterday. if you go to politico, their website, aps saying why the

resignation of liz truss matters for americans. some of the things he highlights , saving the second coming of boris johnson. boris johnson is not certain to return but he is the bookmakers second favorite, reflecting an extraordinary turn of events. back then it boris johnson was derided as an eye that the cold liar by many of his colleagues and the broader public. i also want to talk about matters of economics. he writes that markets call for many of the shots in the prime minister resignation. have you been checking your 401(k) balance lately? fault but she certainly did not help. amid concerns, markets do not trust the unfunded tax cuts. parties can move away from their extreme wings.

he writes it took a monumental price but the british system trump their traditional system for elected leaders -- the bad news is you'll be hearing about the system to replace or. if you're frustrated with the good news -- parties cannot perform serious surgery on themselves to preserve their electoral viability. more on that on politico. you can talk about the resignation of the british prime minister. other categories we will continue to show you throughout the hour. democrats line. this is your top news story. you are a first. go ahead. caller: i just want to know how many judges will say donald trump committed a crime? when will we wake up and lock him up? republicans all need to be removed out of office. host: michael is on our line for

republicans. virginia. caller: good morning. the story i wanted to talk about was the georgia race for governor with stacey abrams. it was interesting because i guess they are using abortion as something to counter inflation. i guess if you have to control the inflation in your household, they have to provide abortion rights because kids are expensive. i thought it was interesting they are using that as a running platform. host: michael in ashburn, virginia, talking about the electoral politics, particularly midterms in less than three weeks. that is one of the categories we listed. you want to talk about the state of your midterm elections, maybe you live in a state that is being closely watched.

you can call us and let us know. jennifer in hampton, virginia. independent line. caller: i just wanted to talk about missy elliott was honored in portsmouth, virginia this week and given the key to the city and governor glenn youngkin showed up and i thought that was a great light note on the political side. and it was good news. host: why was it good news for you? caller: because he is a republican governor and he came to argue -- he came to honor one of the greatest female rappers from virginia and it was a great honor to see him there. host: apparently he has also declared a missy elliott today if i am leading -- if i am reading the news correctly. caller: exactly. it was a great event and good to

see the governor came down. host: are you a supporter of the governor overall? caller: i don't want to say. i did not vote for him. he has done a good job. host: that is jennifer in hampton, virginia, adding to the mix as far as categories for your top story of the week. kansas, democrats line. caller: good morning. i would like to say that i think women in this country will decide some of these elections. i think american women do not like to have their rights taken away from them. i don't care how they explain it, but that is what happened. host: you think the rope

decision from the supreme court will be a main driver among women and how they vote in a couple weeks? caller: i sure do. they are taking rights away from them. just because the supreme court says something that does not make it so. women are going to retaliate. i am telling you. you will say. host: before you leave, do you think democrats will maintain a hold of the house and the senate after the elections in november? caller: if they don't, this country will really have some problems. i am sorry to say that. host: republican line, this is jason. he is in brockton, massachusetts. caller: good morning. i have two.

any judge that says two weeks before an election that donald trump broke some law they cannot prove should be arrested himself for treason. the other one would have to be the biggest cover-up this month alone by the media -- how the new york times comes out and says the real threat to democracy is you. how about that? and you cover that up. the media the largest threat to america democracy. host: that was a category in that new york times poll. caller: exactly. the one that you have never covered. the last three days, you have had six democrats on here to smear trump nonstop. nonstop. i know you will do it today. host: we have a republican today. yesterday we had a member of donald trump's cabinet.

the day before we had the concerned women of america, the day before that the washington examiner. looking at the guests, that was the makeup there. go ahead. caller: pedro, how is a feel to be a traitor to your country? host: they are entitled to their opinion just like anybody else. caller: how are you doing? i am wondering if it is possible we can get our work back into jersey? host: what you mean by that? caller: we need our factories and our work back. we do not have that much work. it all went to china. host: you think that is a major concern as far as the major

story for you this week? caller: yes. everything is expensive. there is not much work for things to do. a lot of people are out in the streets that are homeless and sleeping out in the streets and do not have places to go because they do not have work to get places to sleep. host: when you talk about employment, when it comes to matters of the economy, do you think that will be a major factor in the elections? caller: yes. host: how do you think democrats will do because of that topic when it comes to matters of the economy? caller: i was hoping they would do well, but everything is expensive and nobody can afford

anything. just my rent is expensive. host: lewis in south river, new jersey, giving us a call talking about the issues he is concerned about. midterm elections coming up. you can call in and let us know. if you do call in, if you would not mind turning down the television set so we do not get feedback on the other end. that makes the conversation go more smoothly. when it comes to court decisions. this is from the new york times, specifically looking at president biden's student loan cancellation, saying two courts wait in, the first featuring judge henry autry of the court in st. louis. he dismissed the more prominent of the lawsuits against the student loan cancellation program. the judge, who was reported by president george w. bush, did

not rule on the larger issue of the lawsuit brought by nebraska, kansas, arkansas, and south carolina. he says the states did not suffer injuries that gave them standing to sue. the judge wrote the current plaintiffs are unable to proceed until the resolution of these challenges. in the supreme court judge amy coney barrett rejected a separate challenge to the debt relief program from a taxpayers association in wisconsin. justice barrett denied the associations charges without comment. she acted on her own without referring the application to the full court. she did not ask the administration for a response. both of those moves were indications the application was not on solid legal footing. the new york times talking about the student loan issue. when it comes to one of the features from the obama administration, the consumer

financial protection bureau lawsuit, a legal opinion there writing for the washington times saying of federal court offered a severe blow to the consumer financial protection bureau to possibly imperil much of the work already carried out. later on in the story it says the fifth u.s. circuit court of appeals held congress acted in violation of the constitution when it delegated its financial authority to an executive agency created in 2011. the agency was given independence in its leadership to shield it from political forces and give it freedom to go after financial interests and funded from the federal reserve not the congress appropriations process. it defied the separation of powers. those are some of the stories you can read, including in the washington times. let's hear from ellicott city, maryland. independent line.

caller: debating the issues is not very productive. i think all of the issues you listed are interrelated and they are related to the rise of populism and populist autocrats. that is why liz truss was removed and the rise of autocrats in russia, china, and other east asian nations without a history of democracy, a strong history of democracy. they are taking over the entire thing. can you hear me? host: you're on. caller: ok. thanks. that led to liz truss's downfall and maybe the reemergence of the

other guy, boris what's his name. host: boris johnson who is listed as a possible contender. caller: yes. host: maryland there. to recap some of the stories you can comment on. several of you talking about the liz truss situation. the gas price efforts by president biden earlier this ek. matters of inflation as the midterm elections come up. a debate breaking out over the future of ukraine a from house minority leader kevin mccarthy making comments on that. and then former vice president mike pence on the remarks on 2024. you can comment on those, some of you adding others to the list. we will go on to the top stories of the week. from pasadena, maryland, barbara, democrats line. caller: i want to make a comment of the gentleman who just got

off the phone. first of all, we need all of the democrats, republicans, and independents to get to the polls and vote. vote up and down for democrats. if you want to lose everything, then vote for republicans. vote for democrats. the second thing, take your car and sell it and stop complaining about the gas price. it is even four dollars, it is not that expensive compared to japan, i lived in asia and i lived in europe working for the department of defense. we paid $20 in the 1980's and the 1970's. what are you americans talking about? do something for america instead of complaining. this is for all of the people

who are supporting these lies, especially marjorie needs to be out of the congress. thank you. host: that is barbara in maryland. some of you texting us. richmond, virginia. it says top story of the week has to be the cdc boat to add the safe and effective covid vaccination to the child immunization series. stephanie hilton from facebook arguing when it comes to the john durham investigation, she characterize it as a total dud. some of the comments on the facebook page. facebook.com/c-span is how you do that. our twitter feed is @cspanwj. mark from hamilton, ohio. independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am concerned about the report that boston college and

university doing the function research and made a new covid strand that is 80% more deadly. i do not understand what these guys are doing. it is just a matter of time before something like this gets loose and that is my big concern in my story of the week. host: that boston college story, where did you get that from? caller: i saw it on my fox news feed i get on my phone. host: i think -- i may be wrong -- i have the story here from wgbh saying boston university is trying to correct the record about the research conducted by science following a series of news report said the work is dangerous and not properly evaluated by federal authorities. there was an article published in the daily mail that reported scientists at the national emerging infectious diseases laboratory created a new and

more lethal strain of the covid-19 virus by combining in omicron variant with the original strain of the virus. the article described the research as a function research which of the scientific term for altering a virus to make it more infectious or deadly. a statement from bu says the research did not create a more dangerous strain. the research did the opposite, creating a less dangerous form of the virus. wgbh is the website if you want to check out that story about what the caller had brought up. we go to missouri next. independent line. mike. caller: i want to say something about the john durham deal. we spent three years of taxpayer money to charge three people, two of which were victorious in court. i don't know.

the republican band for abortion now has a poster child, it is the parkland shooter. they cannot give him the death penalty because his mother was a druggie, so that makes him the poster child for abortion. way to go, republicans. host: donald from michigan. hello. caller: good morning. i think the top story is the investigation showing trump was charging the federal government thousands of dollars for his security. i think that is another graft he has pulled on the american

people. i wish the leadership of the republican party would wake up and get rid of this clown and start thinking about the constitution and the american people. how anybody can support trump's and these maga republicans blows my mind. god bless this country. host: let's hear from a republican from staten island. anthony, your next. caller: how are you doing? the biggest story of the week to me is crime, crime, crime. these cities, and it is moving out to the suburbs, are getting more dangerous. defund the police, no respect for the police. you can talk about inflation, you can talk about the border, but you need safety. everyone is looking for safety. this is america. the democrats dropped the ball

on it from the president on down, no matter what he says. he was silent with defund the police and everybody knows it. the woman from maryland who said vote democratic because the republicans will take everything from you, could you explain to me what that means? i really appreciate it. host: as far as a boating matter, do you think is -- as far as a voting matter, you think crime is going to be a voting matter? caller: of course it is. look at new york. wisely sullivan going to win? crime? you cannot go on the subway. you cannot go to a broadway play. i was in the bronx yesterday. i am looking behind me. i am watching when i get in the car. is that normal? is this a third world country.

host: for a little context, cnn and other stories, where candidate biden specifically said in an interview i do not support defunding the police. he has made those comments in other venues, just to give you some perspective. crime issues or voting issues, you can add that to the mix. as we go along on your top story, you can call the numbers, you can post on our facebook page, you can send us a text at (202) 748-8003. independent line, another new yorker, david on our independent line. caller: good morning. i am calling to express my grave concern for the ever-expanding russia incursion into ukraine, now aided by military personnel, drone and surface to surface missiles provided by the government of iran. this is a cataclysmic situation.

unless we deal with it immediately, it would come to undermine our own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in this great country, which is intertwined with women's life and liberty in iran. the message the people have registered repeatedly 35 days into demonstrations in iran and it is about time that once and for all we pull out the very foundation of the failed tyranny of the islamic republic of iran and liberating that nation, which has been an island of stability and pro-western ideas and resonates well with our own motto of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness. that is the way to go forward it has to be done right away, not unlike what obama did in 2009 to

speak from both sides of his mouth and allowing that government to quench the election in that country, which everybody suffered from for the past 13 years in addition to the prior 30 years. host: democrats line from robert in massachusetts. top story of the week. hello. caller: this is robert. i am concerned about marjorie taylor greene, josh hawley, and the republicans agenda if and when they retake the house and how they will set the democratic agenda. i am concerned they will attack our democratic rights, they will bring us back to a racist society. it angers me to hear all this republican nonsense and how they supposedly love the people but

they are only concerned about furthering their agenda and taking away people's civil-rights. that is about all i have to say. thank you very much for allowing me to express my opinion. host: let's hear from william in north carolina, republican. hello. caller: good morning. let me see if i got this straight. trump fills our strategic oil, $25 a barrel. biden comes along and empties our reserves. he will buy back at $75 a barrel. only democrats can talk like that. thank you. host: it was earlier this week that president biden announce that plan to control gas prices, in part relying on the strategic petroleum reserve. you can still see the full announcement on our website.

here's a portion from the president earlier this week. [video clip] >> today the united states's largest producer of oil and petroleum products in the world. we export more than we import and i have heard from oil companies that they are worried investing in additional oil production today will, in case demand goes down in the future, and they will not sell their oil prices at a competitive price later. we have a solution for that. today i am announcing a plan to refill the strategic petroleum oil reserve in of the years ahead at a profit for taxpayers. united states government will purchase oil to refill the strategic petroleum reserve when prices fall to $70 a barrel. that means oil companies can invest to ramp up production now with confidence they will be able to sell their oil to us at that price in the future, $70.

refining and refilling the reserve at $70 a barrel is a good price for companies and a good price for the taxpayers. it is critical to our national security. to put it in context, since march the average price of oil has been more than $90 a barrel, the highest since 2014. by selling from the strategic petroleum reserve at the higher price of $90 earlier this year and then refilling it in the future at a lower price, around $70, will actually make money for the taxpayers, lower the price of gas, and help bolster production, all while totally consistent with my commitment to accelerate the transition to clean energy. my message is this. you are sitting on record profits and we are giving you more certainty so you can act now to increase oil production now. host: that announcement was

earlier this week from the white house, part of a multi phase strategy when it comes to the topic of gas prices. you can see the whole statement from the president at the website and follow along on our c-span app. that garnered a response from the top republican on the foreign affairs committee, texas republican michael mccaul, on fox news talking about the announcement. here is a portion of that. [video clip] >> it is the strategic petroleum reserve, not the political petroleum reserve. he is playing politics with this national security asset we have that was developed for a time of war. because we have not produced energy in this country because the biden plan stopping the keystone pipeline and allowing putin to connect his pipeline into europe, and then we have to go to the middle east and bake the sallies to produce more oil.

-- and beg saudi arabia to produce more oil. host: bbc and other supporting -- reporting forward trump strategist steve bannon facing six months in prison for refusing a summons to testify about the january 6 capital riots. prosecutors say his refusal to cooperate has exacerbated the assault on the capital. he has denied any wrongdoing, deciding each count is punishable by 30 days to one year in prison and a fine raising $100,000. also in another court decision, a federal appeals court thursday denied senator lindsey graham's request to block a subpoena from the grand jury investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the ruling mean senator graham must testify before the panel. he had been fighting the subpoena since he was served over the summer, and his appeal

senator graham argued his action surrounded the 2022 election work -- the 2020 election were protected by the clause that allows congress -- host: rob is next in binghamton, new york. independent line. caller: everything biden just said is alive. donald trump had to fill up the oil reserve at $25 a barrel, democrats blocked him. now biden is saying $70 will save us money? my top story, the 51 intelligence professionals who said hunter biden laptop -- one of your other callers is right. you are so biased. you are not the independent outlet you used to be. host: we did a segment just last week on hunter biden. we have been covering that in this forum and other forums.

jay in south carolina, democrats line. caller: how are you doing? host: i am fine, thank you. caller: i thank you for taking my call. i do not like the idea of some of the republicans who always tried to demonize the democrats when it comes to defunding the police. the democrats mainly want to re-appropriate the funds. when that gentleman was calling about high crime in major cities , actually if you look at the war on drugs, the war on drugs was started by richard nixon. richard nixon for the war on drugs to criminalize black people. then when you start from slavery until now, when black people are in the condition they are in as a result from slavery up until

now, they live in poor conditions. poor conditions creates trauma. poor conditions creates chaos. problems like that exist. i would appreciate if you would cover the war on crime and modern-day policing is a result of slave patrols. host: we have had segments on that and some of those democrats and others have called for efforts to defund the police. would you deny that were except that? caller: i do not think the democrats have implemented in explaining their reasons for that comment that was made. they mainly want to reappropriate the funds. that is what they wanted to do. host: j in south carolina. let's hear from richard in spring valley, california. republican line. caller: can you hear me? host: you are on. caller: one comment is i do

understand what the democrats when they call in about the republicans. i am a republican. i do realize they are more educated than us republicans because you would have to go to college to become that stupid. my point is i sit here -- host: you are still on. richard was mark are you there -- richard? are you there? richard hung up. let's hear from larry in minnesota. caller: i see kevin burns is making a documentary on the holocaust. you had him on there this week, right? host: not on this program. caller: he has been on new shows. he has been doing the

documentary on the holocaust. there is a part of the holocaust he cannot do a documentary on. follow me very closely. there are no jewish-american combat units in world war ii. case closed. they would not go fight for their own families. obviously from burns's documentary they knew about everything adolph was doing and what lenin did in 1916 and 1917. these are the bad guys, not us. we should not have to pay a penny for the holocaust. we did not do it. does that make sense yet? host: that is larry. we will hear from linda in ohio. democrats line. caller: good morning.

i wanted to say you -- some callers were calling about crime. i have heard on television reports that eight of the top ten crime-ridden states, eight are republican led, i think that is probably true. i also wanted to speak about abortion and the fact i do believe there'll will be a lot of young women show up because they are suddenly realizing they are losing a great right. i do not think they are showing up in the polls. i think on the name-calling that goes on so much, it worries me. i also have a name so i cannot say i am the best of people. i think maga should be turned into maggots because they are

concerned about making autocrats great again. i have a real fear for our country because there is a much white-collar crime and that does not seem to be as much democrats done because i live in an area where i see yard signs, and out of all of the yard signs but three in the past year, and i'm pretty old, have been either gone to prison for things like embezzling, or like our representative, who has been accused of bribery and managed to avoid the court system so far. i am not impressed with republican stand on crime. host: linda in ohio. crime was one of the issues being asked in a poll done by pew research in the lead up to the midterm elections about what is important when it comes to categories.

the economy taking that top issue. this is a poll you can find it pew research saying among registered voters each issue is very important to their vote. here's the percentage that say if the election was held today they would vote for -- and they leave that blank. republican candidates have the edge in certain issues. with the economy, 47% essay on matters of the economy they would vote for the republican. violent crime, most say they would report for the -- they would vote for the republican. immigration, 57% saying they would vote for the republican candidates. when it comes to democratic candidates they have categories favoring them, matters of the future of democracy, 46% of those registered voters saying they would vote for the democrat in that category. 40% of the republican candidate. health care at 41%. policies about how election and

voting works. abortion issues, 55%, and supreme court appointments, 51%. they also have another category, neither party candidates have an inch when it comes to these issues. education is 43% versus 38%. energy policy, 43% for the democrats, 41% for republicans. gun policy, 43% for the democrats, 39% for the republican. more of those that pew research. there are a lot of categories. you might think about how they play out when those midterm elections take place. mark is in new york. republican line. good morning. caller: somebody called and said the media was a threat to democracy. there are too many sensitive

subjects. [indiscernible] right now the mayor is a chinese person named wu. host: you're a little muddled. caller: i am saying that in boston there is a chinese mayor named wu, right? host: keep going. caller: what i am saying, we are all americans and we are not all up in their business. you know what i am saying? the democrats are definitely dumb. host: joyce in portland, oregon. independent line. caller: i am fine -- how are you doing? host: i am fine, how are you?

caller: i have a cold but i'm doing better. my concern is if republicans take over the house and take over the senate they would get rid of social security, they will get rid of medicare, they will make sure there is no civil rights of voting act. if they have to vote for these people, they need to find out exactly what they are giving. mitch mcconnell for 40 years trying to turn the supreme court conservative. he finally got his way. they wanted to get rid of roe v. wade. it makes you think you need to try to understand that the next time they are going to get rid of something else. thank you and goodbye. host: our line for democrats out of new york, hello. caller: good morning. i think you and everybody else on c-span are doing a wonderful job every morning and i enjoy watching you daily.

for me one of the top stories was that horrible situation in north carolina where yet again a disaffected young white male took a gun and killed his own brother and a couple of other people in his neighborhood. apparently republicans do not consider these mass shootings a crime. apparently republicans do not consider trying to overthrow our government and undo a lawful election a crime. apparently they do not consider other forms of corruption and corporate price gouging, which i feel is a major contributor to the inflation we are experiencing in this country a crime. they like to focus on property crimes perpetrated by people, as the earlier caller pointed out,

due to poverty and other discrimination historically. i think if we're going to talk about crime, we need to talk about crime. again, ignoring a lawful subpoena is also a crime. thank you so much. host: in the lead up to the november elections, part of what we do is bring in debates from across the country, for tripoli as they play out on who gains control in the house and senate. one of them we did recently was the debate in ohio. tim ryan challenging j.d. vance. here is part of their debate from earlier this week. [video clip] >> you voted in support of the inflation reduction act which you claim will bring down prices. some economists and republicans do not believe this bill will do that as it spends more federal money. why do you still stand behind this legislation? >> this is an opportunity to reduce inflation.

one of the big drivers, i know how much pain people are in with the pump, with food, it is rough. if you're driving anywhere, if you are home health care worker, it has been brutal. i understand that. that is why i have been following for a tax cut in the short term to put money in people's pockets. jd said that was a gimmick but it is an opportunity for us to put more money in people's pockets. the inflation reduction act also drives down our deficit by $300 billion, which will help pull some money out of the economy. one of the big drivers of inflation is our supply chains are locked up. over the last 30 or 40 years there were a lot of healthy people come in democrats and republicans past trade deals that shifted our jobs overseas. now that we have a pandemic economic collapse, our supply chains are not here. the inflation reduction act says

how do we bring the supply chains back. we have seen a stream of investments in ohio since the inflation reduction act passed in electric vehicles, in batteries. honda just announced a huge investment. the solar industry in toledo, hundreds of millions of dollars in investments. natural gas was a big part of the inflation reduction act, which i helped get in. i think that is a huge bridge for us. that is how we eventually get it done. in the short term the answer is a tax cut for working people. it is not a gimmick, is an economic tool to help relieve the pressure. >> mr. vance, what would you do to solve the inflation problem if elected? >> first of all we have to appreciate we are talking about $2 trillion in additional spending. that is adding more fuel to the fire of inflation. i wish tim ryan had stood up to the party on his boat because it

might make the inflation crisis a lot better if he had not done what he always does, which is vote with nancy pelosi and joe biden 100% of the time. host: that is one of several debates we are taking into keep you informed about what is going on in severaofhese states. that is thoh debate. 11:00 today the arkansas vernor date, the republican inhat debate sarah huckabee sanders and democrat chris jone go head-to-head in the governor' race. you can see the live coverage at 11:00 this morning on c-span, c-span now, and also our website at c-span.org. yoca also view the arkansas senate debate. that is arkansas senate john bosman and his democratic challenger natalie james. c-span is the channel where you can see it. our app as well as the website,

c-span.org. let's hear from john in new york. republican line. host: -- caller: thanks for taking my call. the major concern for myself, i am retired, fixed income, is the price of the gas. i heat my house with natural gas . there is no way i can afford to convert to the solar energy panels and convert my heating system in the house to convert to some other form of cheaper heat if there is one. natural gas was a great choice for the past 12 years. it was cheaper than oil and more convenient and cleaner. this change they are bringing about, it should becoming slower. they should be more prepared.

they should take the population, and especially the northeast, take their positions into consideration. nobody is going to be prepared to rip up their house or have the means to do it and the income to convert over in 10 years to some other form of energy. this will change our entire civilization. i do not know who can say how the evolution of our civilization is and where we are at it we will change it all of the sudden with a few people based on -- i do not think -- they do not have hard facts, they are projecting, they are speculating. it is a hypothesis. host: john.

you are in the northeast. what major city are you located by? caller: hello? i am in between new york city and albany. i am by kingston. host: what are you paying for natural gas heating if i may ask? caller: i was more up on it. i don't know. i keep track. i am trying to think. i think for the past two years i totaled it up. this was the entire year for natural gas. just under $1500 a year. last year -- i am on a budget -- i am always under budget because i always pay a little bit more,

i make monthly payments. this year was the first year rather than getting a little credit at the end of my budget year, i had to pay an additional 400 or $500 because i was over. my estimate is that last year i used -- excuse me -- last year i used about -- host: we got your point. thanks for the information. matters of fuel and heating, also some of you responding on facebook, jeff o'brien, with diesel six dollars a gallon in inflation at an all-time high, adding issues of labor. they say thanks to the bidens administration free money campaign and adds this is the bernie sanders utopia economy. inflation in all caps as the top

story for him. host: this is jen. -- caller: i am in daytona right now. i am from massachusetts. i have traveled around the united states for the past 15 years and people call it it is always about racism. i have friends of every race. people are people. i think everyone should get along and try to make the best of what is going on, especially with the president. i am an independent. i was a democrat my whole life, but i choose to go for the best candidate, because it is not about i am a stern democrat or a stern republican. i just vote for who is right for the job. it should not be one sided, always. we are people. we have choice.

i hear the stubbornness and i hear the hate in people. i listen to you guys every day and it irks me to the point i had to call and say what i had to say. i do not have anything else to say except right now things are tough because the prices of everything your terrible, gas, food, milk. it is insane how much everything is costing. we moved from daytona to boston thinking it would be better here. it is still pretty bad. host: let's hear from buffalo, new york. democrats line. caller: people are concerned about inflation. the problem is the blame game. they blame the democrats and the republicans, the democrats in the president for everything. it seems to be that they failed to realize the virus and putin's war took away a lot of stuff

from us. inflation is a temporary thing. it will soon pass. if we lose our democracy, it will be permanent. republicans like to talk about violence in the street. they had every opportunity to do something about violence by passing gun laws in the congress, but they failed to do so. the problem is if the republicans take the house, what will happen? we will lose our democracy. we will be just like china, just like russia. if this is what the people's country want, one-man rule, i pray not, but this is what will happen. host: how you assume that if the republicans take the house and the senate and the president stays democratic. caller: if the republicans take the house, we will be just like

russia because there will be no more legislation. all there will be is trauma all over just like there was under mr. trump. the republicans did nothing. they did everything they wanted to do and they would not pass any bill the congress sent to them. now they are talking about taking away medicare, our social security that i worked for for 35 years, i have worked hard for my social security. i do not want them touching it. they already said they will cut social security and medicare. host: they have forwarded a proposal to reconsider how it is funded and that is only coming from senator rick scott as well as others. i do not know if it is a widespread republican thing. bernadette in new jersey, republican line. caller: hi, pedro.

i wonder if anyone had heard on wednesday about what stacey abrams said was the cure for inflation. she said the cure for inflation is not having babies. she said the word reduction. reduction is a synonym for abortion. she said -- she implied that up until nine months is all right to abort a baby. that is not abortion, that is infanticide. host: ok. brian is the last call for this round of your top story on our independent line. hello. caller: this is brian, i am from cape cod. there is an independent candidate against chuck schumer and he will not debate her. aoc was confronted by a couple

of her workers. i would like chuck schumer to debate. she is a strong candidate and i would like to see that happen. thank you. from new york. host: brian in finishing our thoughts and finishing out this round of your thoughts during the week thank you to those who participated. we will talk about the midterm elections and where they stand with our next guest kyle kondik. we will talk about on the 18 days out from election day that conversation coming up next. people will have a chance from former republican congressman denver riggleman. both coming up on "washington journal". ♪

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>> "washington journal" continues. host: our first guest of the morning kyle kondik is the managing editor of the crystal ball. welcome to the program or welcome back i should say. reminds people of a crystal ball, but it is. guest: it is a newsletter about american campaigns and elections. it is free to sign up. we will be making picks in the election and cover the recap and get ready for 2024. host: what is it take for the house to turn over to republican control? guest: democrat majority in both chambers are tight. it's going to take the republicans to win five more seats than they did in 2020. and they just need that one seat in the senate.

kamala harris breaks ties. host: as you see trends happening what is the likeliness of one of those things happening? guest: i think the chance of flipping the house is very high. maybe like a glimmer for the democrats, a little bit earlier in the cycle. i thought the republicans were favored the whole time, i think that continues to be the case. the senate, i think it will be a tossup. i think it has gotten better for republicans. i think they are using midterm as a segway. dobbs decision happen, a few other factors, i kind of but the senate would flip to the republicans earlier in the year now i view it as a tossup. things kind of sort of content -- continue to get better. host: what do you attribute that to? guest: it is a midterm election.

particularly if the president -- which this president done. there are problems that the republicans are on offense about. ultimately, the democrats talk about abortion a lot which i think has helped them to some degree but it kind of seems like the so-called fundamentals, basic factors that the election, you know of democrats hope the white house midterm elections the president as unpopular those are important. host: you wrote a recent piece on taking a look at this issue you said there are weird things going on out there. could you describe that? guest: you have like a red state governor from oklahoma that seems to be really close. there are also signs that the eunuch -- new york governor race is more competitive. sometimes the polls will kind of understate republicans or your

state -- understate democrats. that's what i said it sort of weird, so the recent analysis taking a look at the senate sides some of those other races they get talked about a lot the reset of iowa chuck grassley. describe that. guest: there is a great poster out of iowa have and she had a poll where he was up by three points in that race. i think grassley is going to be fine but i think it's worth watching. host: murray has gone from almost democrat it. guest: interesting thought mary

should be fine host:. this is kyle kondik joining us. if you want to ask questions about what he has seen (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8002 independents and you can also text esther comment at (202) 748-8003. guest: a lot of people are focused on the democrats pennsylvania it is search of -- it is sort of dicey. there are others that are important. arizona, new hampshire. wisconsin, ohio, republican side. that seems reasonable to me. host: we saw president biden

campaigning for john fetterman where does that race extent specifically? guest: i thinko is still ahead by a little bit. i think federman has taken a lot of incoming hets republicans are tough on crime -- talk about crime a lot. he has taken a hit but i don't think it's worse in terms of favorability. that wouldn't necessarily prevent oz from getting over the finish line. host: as far as spending in this race, who is the bigger supporter outside of the campaign? guest: the republicans have had

an outside spending advantage in a lot of the key races but the democratic individual candidates have been raising more money so in terms of like over all, off the top of my head i think it is probably balanced at this point. whenever you are looking at the spending stuff, the candidates more bang for their buck and more ads than the outsiders do. that is because a federal law going back to the late 60's, early 70's that the candidates themselves are guaranteed a lower rate. $1 million from john fetterman goes further. host: you mentioned georgia, where is herschel walker after the story came out about him paying for his girlfriend's abortion? guest: he is probably a little bit behind but i don't think raphael warnock is super close to 50%. georgia you are not just running against your opponent.

we learned about the runoffs in 2020. the two senate routes that the democrats one, this time it will be in february and not in january. i think the likeliest outcome there is a runoff and may be that race will decide the senate. if there is a runoff i think it resets that race. it looks like brian kemp, republican governor there is doing pretty well. probably he can still the one without a runoff. it seems like both candidates are solid. host: as far as the incumbent senator, why do you think he is not reaching over 50? guest: it's a tough year. georgia is more of a purple state this is a republican

leaning midterm. however, i think is a candidate, it's easier to have the sorts of problems now then 10 or 20 years ago because i think voters, they think more about party and national trend as opposed to people sometimes say i vote for the person, not the party. a lot of people like about that. they know that georgia last time they can win the senate back. i think it's also possible that if you had a strong republican candidate may be the person will be tied or leading at this point. but herschel walker is still in the game. host: you talk about the governors race and rain cap attack about stacy abrams and the comment she said about abortion. guest: think the primary there

has been a blowout i think that was favored ever since then. nothing has happened to sort of change our mind about that. host: first caller comes from maine. you are on with kyle kondik. caller: thank you, good morning. kyle, is that your first name? can you prognosticate who's winning in 2020 in georgia with the crystal ball? we kept it as a tossup for election day. i thought democrats just won the presidency, the motivation would not be there and it turned out i think trump sort of complained about the election probably

depressed republican turnout a little bit so democratic turnout was more robust. host: this is jeffrey from north carolina. caller: thank you for taking the call. a lot of topics going on and i want to address a couple of things. it's obvious that right now with these races and runoffs and people who are all participating in it, you hear a lot, so much negative and promises. it seems it's all connected to when you run for office. then the republican party, i just don't understand it any longer to where no one is absolutely not holding the ex-president responsible on numerous infractions, numerous examples of what should be the

protocol of the republican party. for the united states, whatever side, someone who is in of the right thing make changes, this country has fallen apart. it is care -- clear it is still a high debate which it is said to say white and black in america. there is no separation, there is so much tension between the two lies that exist differently and then you have clearly what transpired on january 6 that the republican party, the whole party would not announce. host: we got the point, thank you. guest: it's interesting that donald trump seemed like he would be a candy -- handicap for republicans. i think he probably was in those

georgia runoffs in 2021. but i think the democrats have focused a lot on january 6 like the hearings going on on capitol hill. but, ultimately, it just seems like the public is not as much focused on that when it comes to the election as they are sort of the sort of standard things that happen in midterms. he said that's a good thing, you can say it's a bad thing it just seems to be, you know the reality is donald trump is still the leader of the republican party. he could be gearing up to run for president himself. i think in that immediate aftermath it just hasn't happened. host: washington times taking a look at the senate race. where does that stand? guest: i think the favorite to win it's a good race.

north carolina has been a state is just broken more towards the republicans. that's the state kind of thought would carry in 2020 wasn't able to do it. it's interesting there has been this sort of realignment as some of the states in the atlantic. virginia is a gamble. if you think virginia is sort of a democrat leaning state from a federal standpoint, and you thought that north carolina and georgia sort of teaching into a similar kind of way. georgia has moved to be of a 50-50 state. while georgia has atlanta, the metro atlanta growing so much in starting to get a lot more blue north carolina still has, it doesn't have that sort of dominant population. this just a little bit of a

different dynamic for north carolina. it remains a center-right kind of state. host: kyle kondik joining us for this conversation. this is sue, independent line. caller: i have a question. i think the republican party controls the legislation here in michigan. with abortion on the ballot do you think the mayor will get reelected and if she does, if she turns a couple of legislation seats? guest: i think governor whitmer's favorite for reelection. there have been some, some other similar states like pennsylvania it feels like josh shapiro has a stronger edge at this point.

but this might be the one difference is sort of the big outset standing for republican governors. they are involved in michigan and not in pennsylvania. i think witmer is still favored and the abortion issue is likely or not likely to pass. both chambers are competitive. if she does well enough you can see the democrats when the house and senate. thursday we had a piece about competitive state legislative chambers. so kind of the overlap in key swing states. host: 40% for republicans and 45% for democrats the gallup to pull of party affiliation 43% of those say they are independent. where did they fall? guest: all independents are sort

of closet partisans. this a yearly more democratic relay more for republicans. you leave the number it will be reduced significantly. however, independents are still important there are people who swing between the two parties. democrats have been holding up ok with independents in senate races the question is what continues to the finish line? host: that's hear from ted. ted in boston. independent line go ahead. caller: i was just sitting here remarking, you know, after i see this guy on tv i'm saying while we have to deal with this. like i used to call into c-span and it used to be higher-quality because we were presented with higher quality topics of discussion and candidates. i'm sitting here wondering at one point does your guest take a

stand with respect to the really low quality here that we have on america in terms of political discussion what would it take for that guy to stand against the other, i don't know, garbage that we are presented with? the topics of discussion, people like oz and bible thumper republicans and maga terrorists. guest: it's up to primary collectors to pick the candidates. the parties don't exercise as much control as the use too particularly the republican party over his getting nominated. so if you ask during the cycle who handpicks the senate candidates i don't think he would have selected the candidates that were produced but he didn't have the power to do that. and it had been different in

that republicans had been nominated, a lot of them don't have experience running for office. dr. causes the tv dr. and pennsylvania is a good example of that. you mentioned ted, he's a house member. senate challenger in nevada, former attorney general, again, a lot of these candidates don't have election backgrounds. that seems to be what republican primary voters prefer and also donald trump has endorsed a lot of these candidates. if he hadn't endorsed dr. ross david mccormick probably would have won that race. these are the choices the parties make. if they don't when the senate

it's probably because the candidates were not as strong as they could've been. maybe they will. host: caller from kentucky on in the caller: independent line. people seem to have an age problem. 2016 roughly six -- 56% were over 50 years old. time they would've been 71 in the six years since then the life expectancy is 77 you can imagine how many of those voters have passed away. the other half, of the democrat voters that's over 50 years old, a lot of them were between the ages of 18 and 24 so you can imagine how many young people were 12 years old in 2016 and would have been 18 years in 2022 is that something you looked at? guest: there is a age cap in

american politics older voters tend to be a little bit more conservative. particularly the midterms you will see the older voters turn out at a higher rate and i think also there is i thought that there would be this realignment in american politics because nonwhite voters are our growing segment of the population also the 18 to 29-year-old crip are the most diverse group. but it just hasn't happened and i think these sort of, you have to think about the realigning trends. while a lot of people's political beliefs and voting habits are basically set there are people changing their minds. you know, the eastern part of the state, it is much more democratic than it is now. even if the candidate is older

you may have someone who voted democratic and that's been enough to keep kentucky as a red state. even the democrats have gained in places like louisville, there's just too many republican small-town voters. host: university of florida's election project spent over $2 million in this upcoming cycle. what does that tell you as far as the number and who is actually participating in early voting? guest: i'm pretty sure it was 2018, that was a democratic leaning electorate. this is sort of, conventional wisdom of the democrats to have a higher turnout and is not necessarily true. just one example, the governor's race was a very good turnout but it was also a republican leaning

electorate. it will always be lower turnout in the presidential election you know, the early voting you're going to have a lot of people showing up. some people will tried, i don't necessarily know if it helps anything about what might happen different kind of people, different cans of voters will put different ways. there is a polarization by voting method that i have seen, i think we saw it in 2020. democrats like to vote by mail. host: we hammered out mail-in voting are there still concerns about it? guest: i think there is concern

about how long the council take. if you are in pennsylvania i don't think it's called until the weekend. it can take six weeks to finalize the vote count. there could be some important house reese's that we may not know unless the house is really close it won't make a difference to i'm just reading something yesterday they are sort of hoping we will know pennsylvania on election night early wednesday morning but of course the races are close. i think people think the vote takes longer so it's a rigged or something like that. particular -- patient they are cash properly. that is probably what happened in california too.

they are trying to make sure that the votes are cast properly. host: our guest is the editor of cristobal. what is the book about? guest: the growth of the republican power. all the way through the republican soup in 1994 so the book starts in the early 60's it starts with the supreme court decision the one person one vote. it really effectively did not have to have population in the states but it was a good starting point. pretty high points for 300 seats they won when the johnson plant -- landslide. it sort of goes through different factors. we moved to a.

were democrats nominated the house we are in a more competitive time now or republicans are likely to hold the house majority. it looks like they will recapture in a few weeks. host: let's go to danny from south virginia. >> good morning, i just want to call in and talk about the election donald complains all the time that he won he really didn't beat hillary clinton. and he beats about -- he complains about hubie ivan. he wasn't even close. and another thing, people that want to vote for the republicans, they better watch what they are voting for because they are going to kill social security. and that's about all i have to say. guest: i would categorize that

is pretty close. joe biden wrote like 4.5. the margin in the key states is kind of complicated to go with the math but it is smaller than it was for trump in 2016 it's sort of depending on how you look at it. we are at a. in history where you have two parties of problems, two parties that hit each other from year-to-year and we are in warm strut -- stretch. maybe we will have, may be party will breakout in the coming elections or something but for the time being very closely competitive. host: i want to show you two ads from the race for new york governor one from the republican

channel and one criticizing this one focuses on crime and viewers should know some of this may be a little graphic. [video clip] >> it israel. there were no warnings, actual violent crimes caught on camera in new york. and it's getting much worse. on november 8, felt like your life depends on it. it just might. it's time our families feel safe again. >> on january 6 this officer was on the front line defending the u.s. capitol. he was one of the officers injured and died the next day resulting -- refuse the investigation against violence against bullies.

he doesn't support law enforcement and puts his politics before the police. >> not -- no comments requested by agencies or agents. guest: you have seen a lot of republican folks reporting on crime. they say republicans have criticized it's interesting there are a lot of competitive congressional districts democratic gerrymandering, that prevented that from happening. republicans are featuring host: --hokel. if this governors race disinfecting close she probably what a lot of those constraints even though she sort of would do well in new york city.

and, so that's typically good enough that's why new york has become such a democratic state. the messaging you have seen in this race, you can see the sort of advertising across the country, democrats ted a response -- respond by issuing their own. here we have at the capitol sort of attacking lee for not being protective of capitol police. but you also see they are using law enforcement to sort of validate themselves to try to push back against crime messaging or republicans. host: you mentioned governor youngkin in virginia we saw it come close that surprise happen in new york? guest: i think the door has cracked open a little bit.

. she still leads is just her lead is more in the single digits. pulling did mention to watch out for the pulse to underestimate democrats in a blue state. it has been more competitive. you do have the state holds coming back and they are finding closer rates. host: william in texas, good morning. caller: i have to ask you a question. tell me one program that the republicans have given the american people within the last 50 years? nothing. they have given nothing. you're telling me that america is going to vote for [indiscernible] host: you caller: are breaking up. caller:can you hear me now? host: yet, go ahead.

caller: why would they vote for a republican they haven't done anything. all they have been doing is cutting programs. tell me why anyone would vote republican. medicare and medicaid, are you crazy? host: ok. guest: as some of to me to decide whether they should or they shouldn't. i analyze what i see is going on up there and what she was also talking about which is pretty common, democrats are using republicans and a saying republicans are going to cut the programs. there has been some discussion about using the debt ceiling as a weapon to try to get the white house to accept cuts. it has not been a consensual fact.

i think it would be a problem for the country internationally speaking but that could come up next year. host: gone from pennsylvania, hi. caller: i disorder, on the morning joe that is the candidate for governor. that has a higher crime rate then new york city, california, and some of the other red states which have higher crime rates per capita. here st. louis leads the nation in violent crime and that's in a red state the democrats have really used it for capital basis but it gives you, obvious he new york city is going to have more crime because of the population

but on a per capita basis, some of the red states lead the crowd. also the important issue is rock the cradle controls the vote. i think pennsylvania people are going to have a democratic senator and a democratic governor. the lives perpetrate on john fetterman he is not going to stay away from working for 29 years. i'm sure he paid his taxes, they say he hasn't paid texas for 67 times. i don't think you can hold a job and not pay taxes. host: john in pennsylvania, thank you. it's interesting he didn't agree with the tagline guest: people

are out there they sort of internalize some of the things they said they hear whether they are accurate or not or whatever. so for the abortion question i do think abortion is important in this election and even if republicans do very well it doesn't mean their position is popular or that it will be an issue any the future. it will be an issue coming up in the future. host: we will show you some ads in a little bit on various issues. auto -- in colorado michael bennet. where does that stand? guest: that would be part of a pretty big wave. then it is still with the pretty big league. his kin his opponent is a pretty decent candidate. i think some of the other republican candidates are sort of middle ground on abortion. democrats say he doesn't feel that way but colorado also

trends more blue in recent years. it is probably a single digit race. host: and another one you mentioned it in the senate. guest: i thought that was the most vulnerable. that is one place you think about polls and one not, generally i think it's more republican in recent years. democrats are sometimes underestimated and that is where the early voting doesn't talk a lot what will happen. but your phones can be helpful in nevada. he disagreed daily look i think it starts tomorrow.

i am thinking is that unless the early voting really shows them democrats doing better than we think and better at the polls i think republicans will probably favor out there. host: what if the incumbent and struggling? guest: i think a big part of it is demographic. democrats are holding up better people have a four-year college degree, people have formal education. under atlanta, phoenix, etc., nevada is not the kind of state and that of a little more working class. people may be tough for themselves but they don't have a four-year degree. there has also been some thought that democrats are falling off a little bit with latino voters. so you think demographic

political trends are not really positive for the democrats out in nevada. guest: the memories and covid happened a lot in the selection. i would have to say rate tours and independent. lockdown, lots to travel that his the state of nevada pretty hard. there is probably some lingering feelings about that. i don't of the fisher lingering covid questions are issue may be in some other places. host: the race in iowa back to back abortion featured i want to show viewers at home. [video clip] >> it's disturbing that the nationwide ban on a woman's

right to choose, no exceptions even for rapes and incest or to save a woman's life. >> should all abortion be illegal in this? how many of you say yes? >> if he had a sweet doctors and nurses could be prosecuted, women punished. zach nan is just too extreme. >> most common sense iowans support common sense was in on abortion. voted against providing life-saving medical care for a baby who sighs -- survives. good people can disagree on it but sydney is too extreme here is where i stand. i am pro-life, i voted for expectations for the mother. streamline of thought services. i approve this message. host: as far as abortion is the issue.

guest: that's interesting. they have been attacking abortion on lots of different places. we were looking at a republicans fonts add. the republic, i feel it's on defense a little bit i feel like he is softening his own position on abortion, trying to contain some of the extreme on abortion blessing of the democratic this, it's very vivid in that you have the images of someone raising their hand about the abortion question. i read something about watching a bunch of ads a few weeks ago and this is one that's a good add it was interesting to direct the exchange where joe rahm -- democrats are not going to drop it and republicans want to talk about it.

caller: i want to ask the question, ask about the red states. have been more, they announced that quickly i want to know if you know the answer to that question. guest: i am not an expert on crime statistics. i will say that, you know, you have to be skeptical about everything you hear but everything is going to get spun in a certain way. and again, just because republicans are focusing on crime doesn't necessarily mean that the attack, that they stand up to scrutiny. again, i wouldn't trust anything you hear in a political ad. host: marietta, republican mine. caller: hello? host: you are on, go ahead.

caller: i am calling about the independent the colton and talked about the red states having more crime. it's actually, i do fact check that's how these things get squared up. it's the governments of those cities that are been by democrats in those red states. and that is with the republicans are talking about. it's the state that is republican but the government in the city's democrat so that can clear something app. my next point is you were talking about this is between her knock and republican candidate if w if it'sa not forrnock who ran over his wife's foot and was evicting people from low end apartment deals.

in the main point this'll election is about the new world order. people should start looking that up. host: guest: thank. the georgia senate race has gotten a lot of tactics a lot of the things the republicans have been using, raphael warnock in that particular race as to the crime question, i think these things are very complicated. a lot of big cities are doug -- governed by democrats but a lot of big cities just have more problems to deal with than suburbs do. you know, suburbs exist for people who have sort of, or their predecessors sort of get away from the big cities if they really complicated, the crime issue a couple summers ago we

had the murder of george floyd. the protests of black lives matter and there was a pendulum swing for thinking about re- forming law enforcement. i say they swung back in that. you have more of a focus on law and order and whether it's a republican or democratic at, everyone sort of championing their own law enforcement. good or bad or whatever, maybe what the competition was of few years ago. host: cristobal, kyle kondik managing editor and the thread think you for your time today. host: we are going to hear from denver riggleman. we will talk about that in 15 minutes. up until than open forum if you want to call in, (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

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we were talking about in the last section it does say about as far as voter participation is concerned under the headline or at least under this headline voters are heidi -- highly motivated. they have a lot of thoughts in this midterm. the question is which party gains control of congress. 50% say it matters. that it matters and 72% of the democratic candidate say when they are asked about whether they are motivated to vote 72% of all of those registered voters compare that to 80% of republican candidate supporters. but the democratic supporters and then we ask the question has there been a lot of thought

coming up in november. 58 percent over also they have given a lot of thought, although voters will reunite. 30% of those saying they are going to vote democratic. you can factor that intoo in this open forum. gary, indiana, you are up first. go ahead. caller: let me start off by saying what frustrates me we are excited because of our division. all the different desires and opinions and all that what we on each to do is come up some common ground between us otherwise they're just going to be more complications.

the question i have is rhetorical, will there ever be in at the paper ever again? oh -- obama was decent i will give him that. but most of them [indiscernible] host: james in tennessee. caller: i was calling to find out when will republican officials stop trying the second amendment. by the time the second amendment was inducted it was in the 1800s and at that time, you use military personnel, it would shoot three rounds per minute. now you have the ar-15 which can shoot hundred 23 plus map -- grounds.

host: larry from maryland in ocean city. good line. caller: good morning, the present president of the united states is giving away $400 billion when you have 350 million people and about 165 million people pay their taxes there is a small segment of 43 people would've also so -- social security? what about putting it in veterans affairs and hoping somebody with a warrior family. what you are instilling has no value for the entire country, thank you. host: cantor in flint, michigan. next call.

good morning, you are next up. caller: so we're supposed to be living towards a proper society [indiscernible] and democrats fighting with each other you have people in the network fighting with people in congress. can we get a line of communication that works? host: let's hear from randy in michigan. caller: i, pedro. thank you for taking my call. i would like to say we have this big thing about all these toys in the united states. we know fentanyl is killing everybody, killing a bunch of people in the united states. how about we do one smart thing take a here sample of everybody so we know what drugs we are doing. host: why do you think that would resolve things? caller: when someone says this is a drug addict, we can take a here sample and we will know every drug they ever did, that

will be all over we won't be able to say anymore that is a drug addict. we will know what people are really dying from. we have a history of elder people dying, what drugs they did. we started making people pi in a cup to have a job. this is about the people in our country that decide it's ok to bring an alcoholic to work but it's not ok for a drug addict to work whatever they say a drug addict is. it spoke rep. anytime a drug addict, have you ever seen a grown man get on the sidewalk and not be able to get up and talk? how many jerks have you ever seen and thought, have you ever seen any drug addict and couldn't get up? host: that's it for william in silver spring, maryland. caller: i have one simple

question. this is for everybody listening i'm independent so i really don't care for either party. they should be held accountable. i have one question, if donald trump was like do you think he would have been to prison already? i think that is one glaring, obvious reason why that person hasn't been indicted because that is not an active show. that's all i get to host:. host:joanna from indiana. caller: hi, good morning. i have one question, america. did anybody else notice that when we had decided, the government decided to give everybody a $15 raise that all

of a sudden everything served going up in price actually, russia started the thing by attacking our oil line which that and do nothing but stop us from producing it now i know it's to go overseas by the most expensive vehicles and everything else. here we are, with the republicans -- all the cash in the press waving and saying i want more. we are trying to give us more and all they are saying is they were spending too much when they already done that those who get the money first out of our pockets before we even get it as a raise.

housecoat john, long beach, california. >> i just wanted to say good morning i want to touch base on a koa things number one seems to me like a lot of the callers seem to pay attention to what the new cycles are saying maybe people shouldn't necessarily pay attention to much of the mainstream media right now i don't think the integrity meter is really high, you know? that being said, the fact that people, that this is even a race right now during the midterms is mind-boggling to me that democrats have been nothing but destructive and destroyed everything they touch. that goes from borders to inflation, prime and every major metropolitan city that's all i

have to say. host: it me in athens georgia. republican, hi how are you doing? caller: this is the last summer i will get to talk to you before election day and i am really excited this time. there are three very good candidates, i'm undescended in this. both kemp and adrian have integrity and they have george's best interest at heart. or fail were neck is one of the best judges georgia has ever had. i heard people call him a liar but he never said what he's lying about. i think everyone weren't out the truth. i was a kid when he won the national championship and i was really excited and he was my hero. leader i went to store and speak my dad took me to speak in atlanta.

and he talked about how he loved the university of georgia and how he finished playing football. he went back to the university of georgia and it made me want to go. i eventually got my degree from the university of georgia and just recently when he was running for senate came out he never went back to get his degree and he nothing college or a do it to ed now he is denying that he i heard him say at 20 years ago. i know he said it. i think that guy is a liar and far too stupid to be a senator for georgia, i hope nobody listening to this will vote for him. host: let's go to sarah, north carolina, democrats line. caller: i have a problem with abortions. that is a woman's choice. i understand. but, there was a time -- was it

the covid shot our choice? i have a big problem with this. it is my body. i am a female. yet, we will push on the covid shock. you have a blessed day. host: that is the last call we will take in our open forum. when it comes to the president, he will make remarks about reduction efforts. you can expect that at 11:00, he will -- you can watch it on our free mobile app and our website. later this afternoon, the president about 3:15 will talk about student debt relief. the mobile app is where you can see that, you can follow along on our website at c-span.org. next, we meet denver rilleman, the former -- riggleman, the

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continues. host: our next guest was the member of the u.s. house of representatives, he served as a former january 6 committee advisor. he is the author of the breach. thank you for coming on the program. we have heard a lot of angles about the january 6 investigation. in your view, what is the untold story? guest: the data. when i wrote this, i know people might have been confused about the subtitle at the getting. really, the untold story is how the data formulated the january 6 investigation. the untold story is that this is just the beginning, we have to look to the future. it is about what the information looks like. it is the data and the new jason bourne of investigative techniques, trying to stop this

digital metastasis. host: what was your role in collecting that data? guest: the thousands of interviews they did. when i got there, i was around a couple of technical teams, or one team looked at individuals loans based on subpoenas. also, open source intelligence research. combining that data in a holistic picture of the lengths between individual or group involved in january 6. it was an exciting time to build on this first prototype of a congressional fusion center. we didn't have the resources we could get, we knew we needed more. on the other hand, it did something different and set an objective for the future that we can at the congressional level, even with a slow moving

government bureaucracy, we can look at data that helps an investigation like this. host: one of the things that came out of the data you collected is something you called the monster. it looks like a graphic, explain what this graphic is. guest: it connects the major muscle movements. you can look at rally planners, you can look at the trump insiders or trump team. you look at trump family. look at right wing extremist groups. look at state legislators, the alternate electorate bucket. we link those groups through not just phone calls, but voip, or sms or mms. we can identify what those are through phone records and match that to open source intelligence research and what they are doing on social media, on the deep internet or on a deep dive into the internet.

it is wonderful to have that access to that kind of data. congress is a little different. we look at authorities as a source of law enforcement, this is a public trust investigation so we could not get everything. the fact is, we got enough. with the tens of millions of lines of data, we were able to collect and analyze and it made it an effective way for the committee to look at data a different way and maybe customize their questions they ask certain people in interviews. host: one of the stories that came out of your book and interviews on this subject was on the day of january 6, a call from the white house of somebody at the january 6 -- one of the organizers, can you explain that for our viewers? guest: anybody can call the white house switchboard number or a general number. in that call, and there are so many more calls by the way that we saw -- that is why these calls are so important. we saw the call originated from

a white house desk phone that faltered to the white house switchboard number and connected to a riders -- rioters phone number in the afternoon. we cannot get geolocation data or what we called the tower data. we know there are other white house calls going back and forth between rally planners, some directly connected to the both seekers and proud boys. texts themselves from the oath keepers and proud boys to rudy giuliani. knowing what those extension numbers are and the doj and fbi are working together on this. knowing what those extension numbers are are very important. for the american public, they need to know that data and those types of things were happening on january 6. host: who placed those calls to the white house? guest: do not know.

my guess is the committee is trying to figure out, there is something called a call manager and each person is assigned a phone number to a specific desk. also, cell. when you look and read the breach, the white house and a certain set of numbers are called root numbers, those numbers are connected to the white house. you can look at the root number's from one side of the records, but you cannot see what those white house numbers are versus what is provided. the records still exist in the system. there are technical challenges when you are not kneeling with a law enforcement type of investigation. host: denver riggleman, our guest until 10:00. if you want to ask him questions about his book, (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8000 four and -- for democrats. (202) 748-8002 for independence. your book deals with mark

meadows. the portions, we never received a cdr from mark meadows, but the telephone tex he turned over to the committee became the rosetta stone for the january 6. they provided information, meadows identified many aspects of the subpoena by -- privilege. he must have saved or uploaded his own data to the cloud or another storage device and he and his legal team turned over this extorting number of messages. in doing so, meadows gave us the keys to the kingdom. we called them the crown jewel. if you could explain what cdr is, can you elaborate. guest: [laughter] i tried to ask wayne earlier in the book, those are called detail reppert's -- records. we never got those.

we know there were other text messages we did not receive content of because they were under executive privilege. without cdrs, it is hard to tell if we have received all the text as it is. part of what we received is pretty amazing. i do not know what they were giving us or if they had individuals on their legal team who didn't know what they were connected to, but this was a evolution of not only the alternate electorate theory that became such a big deal up until january 6, but the conspiracy theories, they talked about italian satellites. we saw bizarre links from sitting members about foreign interference, that was absolutely untrue. not only by common sense, but analysis. we saw the legislative, executive and legal strategy cap

in, texting mark meadows about their cyber investigations and briefing the technical buffoonery to the presidential level. when i talk about the crown jewel, you talk about a roadmap. it is interesting to see that roadmap included things like a supernatural, spiritual warfare type of component to some of the texts. seeing that in one bundle really is a shock, especially when your team is identifying which -- belongs to. host: do you think all you did, those on the january 6 committee themselves used it in the best possible manner? guest: very effectively, especially at the beginning when you are talking about the text messages and linking them to the depositions that they were doing and taking them to the hearings.

i think there is more. when you look at 2319, hundreds of people connected and trying to look at call detail records, social media, their history and what they were doing in the open source intelligence world, on the deep, dark web, you are talking about a massive resource need, a massive analytic and technical need. the committee to be completely effective needs to look at command-and-control worked on that day, and other people that might have been linked. this is not a chatty kathy, people going at each other kind of book. which is a book that is down the line, which tries to make processes exciting as gossip or fantasy. you have got to make facts just as exciting as fantasy. we have a long way to go. when you look at the number of links, you look at other -- the

council for national policy, text messages still need to be explored. you have to think that we just need a little more time and resources to look at the entire ecosystem of that day and the entire coordinated activity patterns that we saw and that the committee pointed out. i think that second, third and fourth level is just as important as that primary level. i have a particular set of skills. the release -- host: the releathis book mmittee, underscored rigell men's knowledge of the mmtee, suggested the committee was not pursuing evidence aggely enough. wrote committee spokesperson, the committee has run down the leads, digested, analyzed the

information that arose from his work. guest: i think there is a typo. i am just kidding. i think when you see something like that, i think they were worried. i have been doing this type of work well before january 6, a lot longer than anybody on the committee. i started to do it afterwards because people who continue this analytical work. my knowledge of this goes beyond what the committee even has. our technical teams are still supporting it. the teams i have built. when you look at millions of lines of data, that is not something that is possible by these investigators. you have to have a unique set of skills or teams we had that are experts in -- and open source intelligence. i thought the committee did a great job. i do not care about the

political backroom washington stuff, people seem to know i have a problem sometimes with -- i do not want to say authority, but i have a problem with not being able to see the whole scope of things based on my background and training. we need to go further with the data. once the committee read the book, i think they got much wider. host: vicki is in orlando, florida. republican line. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: i just would like to say that i hope this book is better than the committee means, because we have been listening to this stuff since january the sixth. we are personally tired of it. if you want to write a book, representative, or who ever you are, why don't you write a book on 202 when -- 2020 when they

was burning our cities down? when they was throwing stuff at our court houses? our vice president was bonding them out of jail. what is funny to me, we do not ever get that side of the story. can you explain why to me? guest: i think when you ask questions like this, sometimes it comes out as sort of a tribal mindset when you are looking at one thing and not the other. we can look at reciprocal radicalization, political violence, things that have been destroyed. when you are talking about an attack on the capital on genuine sixth, you're talking about one of the most meaningful things that happened in history. we had an attack on our seat of power based on faulty conspiracy theories and things that were fantastical. we can look at violence in 2020, riots, we can see the issues that were there. we have something explicitly political when you talk about

political violence or the attack on the capital. when you look at those things and you look at the executive branch that was supporting that, pushing a false narrative of to the public. we need to look at data, look at those linkages to make sure that never happens again. so when you have law enforcement or federal authorities looking at writing in other cities, -- rioting in cities, there is a difference between attacking the capital of the united states of america and a president pushing theories into the population, and those individuals doing it on behalf of the president. looking at data of that is mutually exclusive then looking at what happened in 2020 and writes their. caller: first time caller, thank you for c-span. kind of nervous. thank you for the work you did on the january 6 commission.

my thought is, i feel a lot of people think they are just asking questions. i do not see them interested in the answers. you talk about the data and you talk about the call logs that were found and everything that has come out through the commission. collars every morning on washington journal just completely ignoring the answers that have been found. how can we come together to have a more common narrative of reality in this country? guest: individuals who sadly think it is something, good against evil, some kind of problem they have to solve. where it becomes almost the religious types, they get stuck in the -- community.

the issue is, how do we do this through empathy, dewey do this through anger -- do we do this through anger, do we do this with anger? i think the only way we can win is fight -- i do not know if the committee can convince more than 3% to 5% who are independent or center-right that the election was stolen or the actions of the president and those underneath him, second level or third level right wing extremists, can we convince them that of the culpability of these individuals and the facts that we had such a dereliction of duty not only at the presidential level, but i would say all levels -- whether for power, money. it is almost house to house digital fighting, you have to engage with people one on one and be brave about it.

i am out here, i own companies. i was a maintainer in the air force. i was blue-collar color, white collar. i have done all of that. you can talk to somebody one on one, maybe convince them -- you have to have the facts and data on your side. you cannot guess, you cannot come from a tribal state of being, whether republican or democrat. you have to come as a person who cares about that individual. i found myself getting angry. the data and facts are so important. we have to fight for it. that means people have to vote and get engaged and fight back against bullies. if you get sued by individuals, you have to push back. we see this happening across the spectrum of far right individuals suing individuals to keep them quiet. this is something you have to do. social media, i do not know how to get everybody out of their

self-selected echo chambers. the best disinfectant is sunlight. sunlight in today's information war is data, fast-paced analysis. that is putting people back into a reality based community and saying, listen. you have been deprived. people are lying to you. there is no way there is a group of democrats harvesting children. that is not a thing. the election was not stolen. we do not have italian style lots -- satellites. we do not have venezuelan technology changing votes. we did not have servers changing back to bite and votes. we do not have ballots being burned. this is all fantastical, you use data to back it up. the fact is, there is no right answer right now.

you have to have individuals that are brave enough to talk about data and facts, regardless of the abuse and attacks they get from the tribes or far right rags. the far left and reciprocal radicalization in the future, they start doing things like we saw in january sixth. we have had far left violence. the problem is, the far right is in a -- moment. we have to address that now. that is why i wrote the book. the first caller might say, she was talking about the riots in 2020. she is probably not going to watch the hearings. maybe somebody will read a 280 page book that tries to break it down in a simplest way and uses the data and facts without being hyperbolic. host: the book is called the breach. why did you leave the committee's work? guest: i had a decision to make.

the ukraine freedom alliance reached out to me. i went to take a leave of absence. being -- to ethics is important, i couldn't do both things unless i became a lobbyist or something. i did not want to do that. [laughter] that is what happened. the technical teams were there, i knew the data that was coming in there and i knew the teams that were still there and were so talented. i worked with them so much in my prior lives, i trusted them implicitly and expressly. when you train prickly and lead the right operational teams, you are confident you can go home. host: this is ted, washington, new jersey. republican line. caller: thank you. appreciate you writing a book. a couple of things have turned me off to the whole

investigation. first, he personally see it as a biased committee. there is not diversity on there. it seems the things about trump is free speech. how are you going to monitor that? the thing that disturbs me, it was not a court case. there was a woman veteran shot and killed in the midst of this. my question that i have for you, how come the committee does not sequester nancy pelosi? i have been told that -- by people in washington, she did not call the national guard. they knew this was happening. can you please tell me why she did not call? how come she has not called? that has to be part of the investigation, the national guard was not called in the beginning. guest: when you are looking at -- i think you are talking about the investigation on security that day, which is the intelligence communications and operations issues they had.

had security breakdowns around the capital january 6. the national guard, there is a lot of issues that come with the chain of command, how you execute the national guard and the role of not just nancy pelosi or mitch mcconnell that the individuals they appoint to be in those leadership positions on the united states capitol police force. there is probably a lot of insiders that know this, mitch mcconnell appoints the senate sergeant of arms. nancy pelosi appoints the house sergeant of arms. they are confirmed by the senate. united states capitol police chief does not have a vote on a capitol police force, you have a lot of bureaucratic machinations you have to go through. there are individuals like -- bowser worried about the national guard and individuals who are going to worry about the optics of the national guard. you have a lot of people worried about what that would look like

if you had a militarized presence before january sixth rally. on the other hand, we had intelligence breakdowns where you do not have individuals who know what that intelligence looks like. i think there would have been a different posture if he didn't have some of the intelligence and communications challenges that you had on that day. furthermore, when you look at nancy pelosi even if you think, well, she should have done better on the intelligence and communications front on that day, she appointed him to do a report of what happened that day. there was a disarray. i think people need to read that report. i think -- when you look at the data, it is not automatically like nancy pelosi didn't do something with the national guard. if you saw the last hearing, it seemed like nancy pelosi was trying very hard to get the proper forces in place based on her pulse to vice president pence and other individuals. that is video evidence.

we now have evidence on video that nancy pelosi was pushing very hard for a response to what happened. we can talk about the barriers before hand. be on barriers, nancy pelosi was trying to do everything she could to secure the capital once the threat was known. host: from the data you collected, was there any that definitely ties the white house, the coordination or execution of the events of january 6? guest: there is certainly data that should concern people. something that needs to be looked into. when you talk about -- you have an oath keeper that is texting with a white house aide that just happens to be the son of the person leading the legal strategy to overturn the election. that is a concern. if you have this type of text messages, people say, well, they do not remember them. it is difficult when you have some thing happening in november or december of 2020, the both --

oath keeper texting back and forth with rudy giuliani. you see rally years directly linked to the oath keepers and proud boys, calls going back to the white house multiple times. you have a white house desk number trying to connect to a rioter's phone on genuine six. how any more phone calls do you have from the white house in those call detail records? there is a lot more. you want to find out all the white house extensions and phone numbers. it is simple for people to hear, it might be difficult to do that. it is something i'm sure the committee has tried to follow-up on. people need to understand there are front authorities between congress, the doj and fbi to look at the legal process. see what the doj and fbi is doing.

there are different things that can be done based on the data you can get. president and his tweets that day, his lack of action, the way he pushed radicalizing qanon based craziness and even now you see him with pins on his lapel. those who work for him or support him are still spouting the same thing. even if it's not criminal, it's so unethical and so intellectually dishonest and so based on making money that that alone, i point that out in the brief, those should disqualify. if you want a public servant, have someone who serves the people and not themselves, someone who believes facts and truth and what's important. we could say there are direct links. you can look at the legal

interviews you saw and were pointed out in the hearings. we need to know at some point who was on the white house on the desk phones or cell phones communicating with people in the rally connecting to people who were extremists and those who helped plan it. i think that's one area that i wish i had some more time. host: from peggy in washington state, democrats line -- caller: good morning, my biggest problem with the january six, the one that struck fear in my heart was when mike pence's chief of staff told the lead surfer save his agent -- the lead secret service agent was that mike pence was in danger and the head of the secret service, they were trying to get mike pence away from the capital so he could not count the electoral votes.

that just struck serious fear in my heart. the secret service is supposed to be a political and they protect the top echelons of our democracy, the president and the vice president. i would like to hear your comments on that, thank you. guest: thank you very much. that is something i think sometimes is forgotten when we talk about this problem. it's simply that the vice president was under threat, not only with hank mike hands but when you are tweeting -- when the president's tweeting in the 1400 hour about vice president pence doing the right thing, that should concern people. you had a president that was not only that a rational but responsible for his vice president safety. when it comes the secret service and mike pence, he was there. people might be uncomfortable

whether you are democrat or republican. on that day, there is a heroic action by vice president pence. he did stand up for the constitution that day. people can scratch their head about any type of support for any type of friendship for an olive branch he would put out afterwards but you cannot take away what happened that day. mike pence did stay in the area with the secret service. you cannot paint the whole secret service with the rod brush. -- with a broad brush. whether they had been criminal intent or incompetence, it's very difficult. you don't want to paint the whole secret service with that brush. the vice president was able to manage that day in a way that speaks to courage. it's difficult. people scream and yell but tried to look at the facts of that day , what happened before or after

that date is meaningful. you talk about just that time, god forbid what would have happened to the 139 house members or if they give into the pressure. it's an interesting question. i think there is still more to know about the secret service text messages and the data they had that day. i think you will see more about that on the committee side from law enforcement. host: let's hear from donna, north carolina, republican line. caller: thanks for taking my call. going back to that lady that called in about why don't you write about the riots that took place in 2020. you said this is a political tech -- attack on the capital. why don't you write a book about the dossier where our own president was attacked by some fbi agent's? that's political.

your program does not show anything. you show only what's against trump but you never bring any conservative on the television show. host: we interviewed a member of president trump's administration yesterday. continue on. caller: i'm talking about -- in the morning, there was nothing but loving people from all over the country on january 6. trump did not brainwash us to be there. this is something that's been building up over years. it's a corrupt washington, this want, we want them the heck out of there and he expose that. that's why you have a lot of your politicians that are turning republican and liz cheney especially, that are turning against him because he is exposing them for their crimes.

we, the american people, are sick of it. we got someone there finally and we could care less how politically correct he is. he got things done and you guys don't like him because he will expose a lot of corrupt republicans and democrats for what you guys have done wrong and that's why everybody turned on him including mike pence. you get someone in there, they will have the secret service on their side. host: republican line guest: at 1:10 p.m., there was not a whole lot of loving people left in the capital. this was one of the most corrupt administrations we've seen face on data. maybe he learned his lesson and maybe he feels he should play the game to do what he needs to do and then take it to another level.

people can suck down the apocalyptic conspiracy theories. i'm not here because somehow i hate president trump. you just have to look at the data. look at the people who were around him. sometimes when you lied down with dogs you get fleas. sometimes people you have in your orbit are mike howell or patrick byrne and you get these individuals with -- like giuliani. all of these individuals, many of them are under investigation or have been convicted in the past. sometimes when the people around you are like that, that reflects sometimes the individual as far as what they will do in your ethics and integrity. when you look at these individuals, i was there on some of the interviews with the committee and many of them took the fifth. there seems to be a lack of any time of moral or intellectual basis to defend their position

when they are called to the carpet in a legal way. my fear is when you are just listening to an echo chamber, a one line pipe that goes directly into eurozone, is difficult to see the other facts around you. that's why you have to get all the facts. if i talk to you in person, showing you the data and facts will let you know what is actually happening. it doesn't have to be fantastical, you have a belief system. that's what i hope people can see my hope that's what the book brings to the table. host: you talk about how you coordinated the teams. this is from the briefing -- the last blue team had a difficulchlenge focused on the parent value to adequat protect the capital. the investigating house administration which meant and the committee's own members. the blue team was a tells a group of the sensitivity of

their investigation created a politically explosive finger-pointing extravaganza. the end result is that the blue team became a bit of backwater and several witnesses said they tried to interview and the committee gave blue no means to compel testimony. can you elaborate on that? guest: than investigation was happening at that time, we were trying to track people down to get them to talk and it was difficult. a lot of it had to do with investigations going on in other areas and that's what i try to talk about. it makes it difficult to actually pursue that line of inquiry. we had other law enforcement investigating other law enforcement and you are looking at the multiple breakdowns of communications and intelligence with multiple organizations. everything from the dod to the

ic and the united states capitol police to the fbi and other law enforcement agencies, political appointees to congressional members and appropriations. that mass does not have to do with conspiracy but has to do with how government works and how slow it is and it made a very difficult. republicans thought questions were not being answered. how do you actually get to the truth and the fact and look at both sides to call that out? what came down to is that there was a lot of communication and logistics failures when it came -- when it came to passing information. the gao had identified about training and resources. this sort of fell between the cracks and that's what made it so difficult for blue which -- there was no directed effort to make sure the united states capitol police had proper protection and intelligence or operation support. there were so many moving parts

that is hard to believe it could actually happen to the capital which what i explained later on after that portion of the book. host: philip from florida, independent line. caller: good morning, if the most advanced aircraft carrier sunk because the sailors didn't know what to do, i would just that the captain of the ship would probably get interviewed. however, you and everyone else in the media, have failed to mention the fact that uganda pittman was the chief of the capitol police. and she failed. she failed to equip her people to resist an invasion of the u.s. capitol. as bad as mussolini and hitler's work, none of them landed troops to invade the u.s. capitol. only trump.

how did she get a pass? i will tell you what. the fact that she is black, no one wants to criticize her. guest: let's go to the next caller. i think you need to actually look at who was the chief that day. you have to look at the chain of command of the united states capitol police. it has nothing to do about race in any way and that's sort of vile. host: from fayetteville, north carolina, -- pushed the wrong button. fayetteville, north carolina, this is joe, good morning. caller: good morning. in my estimation, there are two things going on here. it's probably revealed in your book. you have organization that won't

work together like 52 different police organizations in washington, d.c. obviously, they did not share information and they didn't help each other. this has gone on in a lot of different scandals and going on in the united states from 9/11 all the way back to the assassination people. organizations don't work together. then you've got the lone wolf. i don't care how many people voted for donald trump but he is essentially a loan wolf like lee harvey oswald was. he looks out for himself. what do you think about what i am saying? guest: i was a veteran of 9/11 and got to read the commission report. you look at intelligence or communications and you look at information sharing which is something was drilled into me as an intelligence officer directly after 9/11. i was doing those type of

things. i felt compelled. it was about communications and failures and how can -- and how they can affect the u.s. government and how data is not a superhero. when you talk about donald trump, i appreciate what you're saying but i don't think the definition of loan wolf fits. i think that's the definition of a charismatic leader, someone who likes to use bullying tactics and techniques or loyalty to attract certain types of people to him. he knows how to manage an organization well and if anyone called him stupid, i think that is shortsighted. think there can be a huge difference between stupid and immoral. that is really the issue you have you talk about people like this. if you cared more about you or

your conduct or how you can enrich yourself or the people around you than the country, you will default to who you were before. past performance is indicative of future performance. when you look at donald trump and his past and how he conducted himself as president, it should not have been a surprise. to me, you think someone will change. you take on the mantle of that office of president and he did not change. that surprise some people and then they noticed they had to go along because the base is so activated. the information war is the new forever war and i hope people realize that individuals like that in the social media or internet space can move faster than the government. private organizations look at radicalization on social media.

there were bizarre conspiracy theories that were tweeted. we don't want to see that in the presidency. host: you talked about your book on 60 minutes -- that garnered a response from representative jamie raskin. let me play you what he had to say. [video clip] >> that's one of thousands of details that obviously the committee is aware of. our job is to put everything in a comprehensive portrait and narrative timeline of what took place. to me, it's interesting but much less interesting than the fact that donald trump told the crowd in public that you have to fight like hell and if you don't, you will not have a country anymore. we are interested in telling the big story which this was an organized, premeditated, deliberate hit against the vice

president and the congress to overthrow the 2020 presidential election. the public understands the basic elements of the story but what we will do on wednesday is fill in those details that have come to the attention of the committee over the last five or six weeks. >> apparently a call came from inside the white house. how hard was it to track down who that person was? >> i cannot say anything specific about that particular call. we are aware of it and we are aware of lots of contacts between people in the white house and different people that were involved obviously in the coup attempt. and the insurrection and that's what all of our hearing has been about. host: you heard the representative say they are aware of this information but do you get a sense that they are trying to do something with it as far as pursuing it? guest: he knows how i feel about him. the issue is, what president

trump was saying to the ground is incredibly important. what's more important is why he was out there. it's how these radicalization agents were. that's the difference of looking at the importance of that. two things can be corrected the same time. when you look at thousands of pieces or leads, there are millions of lines of data and it's a resource issue and analytic issue. we still need to look at all that. it's not that someone is wrong or right, is just that there are different ways to look at this problem and for me, i think we need to go further on what those white house communications look like. we don't even need to be intelligence samplers. if i find out who made that call, we can look at that individual and who they were connected to. if i can find out who was

talking to rally planners, like the proud boys, who else did they call? if we look at an oath keepers texting giuliani, was he connected to other rally planners that had direct connections? these are simple questions. that's how i look at the problem is how do you link them and leverage that to find out what they were saying with those communications and other leads of communications. we can do a fantastic job at identifying that you had an administration that was unethical and pushed ridiculousness and tried to obstruct congress that day. you can make that case. my cases that there were many things that were learned by individuals on january 6 that can be taken to the future. i think that's where people misjudge this book. this book is about how we look

to the future. it's bigger than trump. this is ideology. this is something that is believed in the belief is that a global cabal had taken over and people still believe it. when i hear something like that, i want to hug them and on the other hand, i want to say there are other things we can see in other things we can look at. i think we state -- still need to pursue that. will that be purse -- possible at a congressional level? not when the gop takes over. that is the point i was trying to make. host: here is chuck and alabama, republican line stuff caller: good morning, i agree that some of the things that happen to the capitol shouldn't have happened but how many weapons were

confiscated? then about a follow-up question. guest: there were a lot of weapons confiscated. if you followed the reporting and they talk about quick reaction forces in place and the fact that there were weapons that were used in their weapons and reserve. i think that is something you might want to look into because we are short on time but you might want to look on that. i hope one day we can talk about that more but there was obviously weapons that were there and a quick reaction force ready. host: ken in florida, independent line. caller: good morning. when it comes to all this, everything is quantitative around race. i hope in your book that you show the example of the difference between when black lives matter was in washington, d.c. and they had the national

guard wrapped around the capital but yet, no intention of going to the capital. but when all these maga people were in washington, d.c. they didn't even have the police around to protect the capital. when all these people call in and talk about black lives matter was burning down the town. it wasn't the capital. thank you. guest: thank you for that. i want to give kudos to mike co-author -- to my call other debts to my co-author. when we wrote this, we wanted to stick to data and facts and not get too hyperbolic. we knew there was a police presence around the capital that was insufficient and the communication broke down. we see there seemed to be a different reaction to those types of crowds. as we go forward, we try to

stick to the facts and data of what happened specifically on january 6. i would love to have been a part of an investigation in the communications and information that happen. maybe i could write a book about that. the people that called in, i want to let them know that i didn't write a book about the riots in 2020 or about the steel dossier because that was not part of this investigation. i was also part of massive counterterrorism operations, over 20 years, working in three letter agencies, doing that combat operations support work i did at 911. i just use my specific background and the experts i can gather around to build these teams because we have to give them credit. so many people from the time i was running the counter sales in 2007 back to special projects for air force, i was able to use

that up to the time i was in the pentagon. i don't think people realize that i was not in politics. when i was selected in 2018, i was a consultant to the pentagon. i don't have the political background. what i do have is the data and operational intelligence background to bring what happened on january 6 to light and how we can look into the future which is what the epilogue was about. how do we stop this in the future? i am interested in president trump and what he did. as a counterterrorism guy, i am more interested in the levels of coordination and command and control that happened on january 6 and what's happening now based on lessons learned from people who tried to overthrow the government. that's where i am at. my co-author, being in those riots, was very sensitive to that. we treated that very delicately

because we didn't want to go down that line and trying to stick to what happened on january 6. that's where the book went. my co-author, i have to give him credit for the message he delivered. host: our guest served two years in the house of representatives, representing the fifth district of virginia. you were a dim -- you were a republican then, would you consider yourself a guest: guest: republican now? no, if i'm going to do things like this were a look at data and facts, people in congress will tell you that i was somebody who had been supporting the structure behind the door in operations and i had my -- my own company and started other companies. i pulled myself up from nothing

and i didn't need to be out in the public eye at all. i was comfortable with where i was and what i did for the country. i don't think i can go back to calling myself any type of republican, democrat or anything. i don't like the word independent. i think was george washington who said i am unaffiliated. i want to continue the tradition of people who serve this country in the military in maybe intel and made some headway. i like george washington. host: you are in support of the democrat in an and. guest: >> this is not a typical political ad. i'm a republican congressman saying nice things about a democrat. in congress, the party is set apart and does not work together except abigail spanberger.

she is trying to change congress make it work and is ranked the most bipartisan member of congress from virginia and fifth in the country. in the cia, she worked counterterrorism inputs country first. that's why i support abigail. >> i am abigail spanberger and i approve this message. host: how did you end up doing that? guest: simply knowing abigail for a couple of years now. we have a shared intelligence background. there is only one thing i like to use in my litmus test when you have an individual like that. if you are fact-based, you not fact challenged, it's that simple. i don't care republican democrat independent, libertarian, i don't care what you better be fact-based. i can disagree with policies but the most important thing to vote on is protecting her democratic

institutions. if you have someone like abby does try to do its best for all of her constituents regardless of the letter behind their name, there was of the kind of people i like. that's how i'm wired. i think being in congress talking the lesson that i am not cut out for tribal politics. it's not in my blood or my dna. someone asked me if i would run again and i said i would rather set myself on fire. i looking at -- i like looking at data and facts. people read this book, they would say i made everyone mad. that's what we have now. i am 52 and have served this country i wrote this book so i hope other people who would never read the committee report or watch a hearing would pick it up. and they read it come i think they will be surprised that it's

not some hyperbolic raft or self aggrandizing book. that's not what it is. i have to thank my co-author and editors. they did a great job trying to make sure we stick -- stuck to the fact. i think we were able to simplify it in a narrative form. host: if we can squeeze in one more call -- guest: sure. host: this is from eric in minnesota, democrats line. caller: thanks for taking my call. did they ever investigate republican representative who gave a guided tour through the senate office building including nancy pelosi's office in the hours before january 6? i would like your comment on the implications of how the information got out that would bring that group in. please comment. guest: i was in congress and the committee did a fantastic job of trying to run down all of the

tours. what they didn't find a whole lot. i would say -- i don't want to say this. what people would go. i know some of those members. i don't think they would do that. the committee did a pretty good job identifying that. they can only go so far again. we should have sitting congress men and women talking about this and you can only go so far. that's another conversation on my thought about that. when you do congressional tours as a representative that's a -- i don't think people realize this. as a congressman you own the building. the congressional building. the library of congress. that's your building to work in. are there things that can seem

odd there? absolutely. do i think there is widespread preparatory tours or strategized tours by members? i don't think that's proven. there are things that people can scratch their head. i think the committee did their -- i think the committee was wise in putting what they put out. there are things that are lead scratchers but probably nothing that was too damaging at that point. host: when the committee releases its final report, do you have a role in the final product? george: my role -- guest: my role is done. i'm very happy they will be part of the final report. the final report will be outstanding. there's nobody that can really

say if they're watching this a very practical eye that the -- i think the report is going to be great. i wish i could have access to that data for another year so i can do something on the command and control side. host: served in congress for two years. he is the author of "the breach" talking about his role as the january 6 technical adviseman. thank you. this is the end of our program. another edition of "washington journal" comes tomorrow. the center for strategic and international studies is about to start. the minister of french and foreign affairs talking about the war in ukraine. >> in csis. we're indicte