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announcer: tonight on q&a, writer and filmmaker william doyle, author of "titans of the senate" talks about the longest-serving republican senator in history, orrin hatch of utah. he served in the senate from 1977 to 2019 died in april of 2022. mr. doyle insists that based on his list later achievements, orrin hatch was the greatest u.s. center of modern times. >> senator gordon smith, who worked with orrin hatch a great deal, is a fellow mormon, but told me that he thought that the secret orrin hatch's effectiveness patching all these laws with liberals and democrats and conservatives and republicans, the secret was that orrin hatch saw everybody as a child of god coming from his deep religious faith, and that he saw a nobility in his opponents.

he saw his opponents as noble. announcer: william doyle with his book "titan of the senate" on c-span's q&a. you can listen to all of our podcasts on our free c-span now app. >> more from campaign 2022 tonight starting with the california governor's race. 9:00 p.m. eastern, a debate between gavin newsom and his republican challenger brian dolly. hosted in san francisco, watching here on c-span. at 10:00, up to washington state where patty murray is up against republican challenger tiffany smiley. we will show you a debate between the two candidates hosted at gonzaga university in spokane, washington. you can watch both of these online at c-span.org or with c-spannow, our free video app. >> c-span's washington journal.

every day, we take your calls live on the air, and we discussed policy issues that impact you. coming up monday morning, amy walter, publisher and editor-in-chief of the political report talks about campaign 2022 and the key races to watch. and then investigative reporter for the washington post on the investigation into retired u.s. military personnel taking jobs with foreign governments. watch washington journal live monday morning on c-span or on c-span now. join the discussion with your phone calls, facebook comments, text, and tweets. host: with just over two weeks to election day and the holidays on the horizon, a time that typically brings family and friends together, we are wondering, are our political views pushing us farther apart?

30% of americans say political polarization is one of the top issues we face. still, there is other evidence that americans are fed up with political attack ads and atmosphere. beyond election day, how much of that political disagreement will continue in our personal lives? good morning and welcome to "washington journal." this first hour of questions for you has politics affected your relationships where your views of others? here is the line to use. (202) 748-8000 for republicans. -- democrats. republicans use (202) 748-8001. independent and others, (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text. that line, (202) 748-8003. and tell us your name and where you are texting from. on facebook or also on twitter and instagram @c-spanwj. so are you avoiding talking to friends or at least avoiding

talking politics with family and friends? the question we have addressed a couple of times in the last few years on political views. how are your politics affecting your relationships with your friends and family, and your view of others? one of the reasons behind this question, a poll came out in the new york times this week. this was the headline in "the new york times" this week. today's political divide. a new poll suggests an increasingly stark ideological divide of american politics have come with personal consequences. nearly one in five voters, 19%, said that politics have hurt their friendships or family relationships, according to the new poll for "the new york times" and siena college. they further write that for all of the concern over political rhetoric and outright political conflict in the united states,

the ruptures that people described were typically quiet ones made more in sorrow then anger as people with use of common experience came to the conclusion they don't agree or have enough facts to have arguments. in interviews, people across the ideological spectrum and told stories of estrangement, conversations broken off with siblings and children, decades long friendships that have gone quiet, most data to the early days of mr. trump's presidency and have not abated since its end. that is from "the new york times" and siena college this week. this is an issue the pew organization has surveyed on a number of times. headline from a recent poll there. as republicans and democrats alike say it is stressful to talk politics with those who disagree, the share of americans who say having political conversations with those they disagree with his stressful and frustrating have increased in

recent years. nearly six in 10 u.s. adults say they find these conversations stressful. the increase has come along with republicans and democrats alike. today, 58 percent of republicans and republican leading independents say they find talking politics with people they disagree with to be stressful, up 11 percentage points since 2019. six in 10 democrats and democratic leaders say they find such conversations stressful and frustrating, up from 53% in 2019. has politics affected your relationships or your view of others? (202) 748-8001 is the line to use for republicans. democrats use (202) 748-8000. and for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. there was this week in washington -- we will get to your calls in a moment. there was a moment of comedy

with at least one former leader, former vice president mike pence, lauding the efforts on both sides of the aisle regarding january 6. here is what he said. [video clip] >> january 6 was a tragic day, but thanks to the courage of law enforcement at the capitol and federal law enforcement, the violence was quelled and we reconvened congress the very same day and we completed our duty under the constitution of the united states and the laws of this country. [applause] there was a lot going on that day so you might have missed it, but i made some remarks before the united states senate when we reconvened. the first thing i did was condemn the violence. [applause] violence never wins.

freedom wins. i truly do believe in my heart of hearts that we did our duty that day under the constitution, but i will tell you, as i have traveled all across the country the last year and a half, they told me i have been in about 32 states. i have been very humbled at the number of americans from diverse backgrounds and experiences that have expressed support for our actions that day. and i will tell you that when we reconvene in the united states senate, i think the members of both political parties -- i think the members of both political parties for staying at the post and completing their work and completing the peaceful transfer of power and began what day as a day of tragedy was a triumph of freedom. and i will never describe that they with the violence than any other day and the way i described in that day and today. it was violence. it was an acceptable. but the end of the day was a

triumph for freedom thanks to people in both political parties who did their job. host: on "washington journal," opening question for you this morning, has politics affected your relationships or view of others? (202) 748-8001 four republicans. it's (202) 748-8000 for democrats. and the independent line, (202) 748-8002. let's go to the independent line first to hear from david in akron, ohio. welcome. caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call. yeah, i just want to talk about how politics has affected my view of others. i believe that there is a dark side to human beings that can be demagogues. to me, it is a tragedy that so many people followed the ideology of the nazis, and not just in germany, but some of the other countries. so i believe the biggest danger to our democracy is right-wing violence.

if you look at what happened on january 6, i watched the films, saw the hearings, listened to the police officers testify, listened to a republican election worker testify. as a matter of fact, one was on your show. i think mr. schmidt from philadelphia. the people of january 6, the right wing, they were threatening to hang mike pence. they were threatening to kill nancy pelosi, threatening to kill election workers. the guy that was right on c-span was saying he and his family were getting threats for him to do the right thing. what is not only is that tragic in and of itself, but a belief in the big lie. you had republican appointed judges presiding over presentation of bogus evidence about election fraud that just wasn't there.

and yet, so many people still believe this big lie. i would like to have what i hope is intelligent discourse with some folks, but sometimes you got to think twice before you voice your political opinion because these people are willing to kill. they have said it. and they were going to kidnap the governor of michigan, i think. this is all documented. and it is really sad because violence is wrong. violence is the dark side of human beings and their proclivity to believing in demagogues, that is our enemy. the biggest enemy is us, our nature. god said the only doubles in the world are the ones running around in our own hearts. host: we will go to danny on the republican line. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: first of all, i want to say i like you and i like john. you guys are fair.

but the other ones i don't know too much about. what i want to say is i have lost close friends due to political affiliation. before, though, i voted for who i thought would do the right job. i voted republican. but since president trump got in, he doesn't -- how can i put it? he is a businessman. he doesn't play their game. what that guy just said about witmer getting kidnapped, that was all an fbi scam. if he would be more educated. one more thing. i want to be clear here. most of your callers are uninformed.

they won't listen to anything but the hate. host: danny, you said most of our colors are uninformed. what do you think most of our callers will think about what you had to say? if you think -- do you think your view of other colors has changed because of recent political positions? caller: yeah. i am sure i am going to get stuck on that. if you listen to some of your callers, they are obviously democrats. all they think about is donald trump. donald trump had this country humming. let me be clear here. did i agree with everything donald trump said? of course not. but you know something, donald trump had this country humming and we were respected around the world. not now. not now.

the democrats are flushing this country down the toilet. host: let's hear from our democrats line next. the call is from traverse city, michigan. good morning. caller:caller: good and thanks for taking my call. a couple interesting takes on the question so far. i live in a pretty red area. i don't make a point of letting people know what my views might be or giving any indication whether i am a republican or democrat. you can listen to people voice their opinions and you can play it safe by agreeing and nodding your head and saying things like, oh yeah, i understand, i know where you are coming from, makes sense to me, without actually getting in an argument. so you can have the interaction without doing any damage. you know, i don't mind listening to people. that is why i like to watch

"washington journal." [laughter] but i will tell you that because my stripes, if you will, got revealed in a couple conversations, there are people that totally don't call me, text me, visit me at all anymore. there was a woman that, you know, i was going to -- hey, can i call you sometime? do you want to go to dinner? we have a couple of phone conversations. she finds out who i voted for and then just goes into a tirade and says she never want to speak to me again. it has been very interesting. i find it makes more sense to just not reveal if you don't have to. and then also, because of my job as a salesperson, you know, i will have all kinds of people that are buyers. host: sure. caller: i definitely don't want to reveal.

you just list them. host: you mentioned you are fairly guarded in conversations so this woman who found out how you voted, did that kind of slip out or had you stood something on social media or whatever? caller: no, not at all. it was just in conversation. she made the inquiry and i figured in the interest of she was pretty open about wanting to know so i will be pretty honest, and she did not like my answer and flipped out and made a bunch of statements against my party or my affiliation, if you will, and said she never wanted to talk to me again. we have actually spoken a couple times since, but i can tell there is absolutely no interest in any kind of friendship, relationship, anything. host: appreciate your input. (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. the independent line is (202) 748-8002. let's hear from kevin on the

independent line in massachusetts. hello. caller: hi. it really has not affected my social circles. and i belong to a couple different groups of guys that get together a couple times a week. we do talk politics sometimes. but we have certain unwritten rules like don't tell me what i think. tell me what you think. if you think you have facts to back it up, udo, i saw this, i heard this, i read that, or whatever. sometimes we change each other's monday little bit or soften a view, that kind of thing. but a lot of it has to do with we kind of respect each other. some of these guys i have known for 40, 50 years. host: so going back to your high

school or early days of college or whatever. caller: grade school. host: grade school, going farther back. i grew up in the western part of massachusetts -- caller: i grew up in the western part of massachusetts. we are very liberal here and i a little conservative. but when you take the time to actually talk to people and everything, you got a lot more in common. host: in that group of your old friends that gets together pretty regularly, have you seen over the course of time or in recent years some of those guys having real changes in their political views? are they sort of out of the group now? have you had any of that? caller: no, not really because the ones that are either way

right or way left or whatever, they get shut down by people that are on their side and say, hey, you know? no. trump is not a nazi. you know? obama was born in hawaii or whatever. those people. you just say, look, that is not factually correct, you know? you may want to think that, but you know, read history. they go well, but, yeah, well. host: all right, kevin. thanks for your thoughts. (202) 748-8002, that is the independent line. one of the many campaign debates we covered, the utah senate debate, evan mcmullen is the independent running for the senate seat against the republican incumbent, mike lee. in that debate, mr. mcmullen talked about how he would work

across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion on issues to address inflation. [video clip] >> look, again, it is both parties. where was senator lee when president trump was spending recklessly during an expansionary period? senator lee will say devoted no but we were adding to the deck at that time and are still adding now and on and on. the job of a senator especially representing our state has to be to stand up to leaders of both parties, to joe biden and donald trump. that is what is required, senator lee, because both parties are spending recklessly. and you vote no. and let me say, senator, i think it is right that a senator should be willing to stand even alone and vote no. you are very good at that. but you know what? it cannot be the only thing you do. that is not the job of a senator. the job of a senator representing you talk's to work across party lines to solve

problems. we have a legacy in the state of sending senators to washington. , senator bennett senator hatch, now senator romney, they worked and worked together across party lines to solve problems, senator lee. they don't only vote no. they are at the table negotiating a better deal for utah and our country and i am committed to do that on overspending and every other issue. host: one of the many campaign 2022 debates we have covered. another one coming up this evening, live coverage of the washington senate debate. democratic senator patty murray is up against republican challenger tiffany smiley. we will show you the debate hosted by gonzaga university in spokane, washington, live on c-span. it will be on our free app c-span now, and you can watch it streaming live on c-span.org. some comments on social media. has politics affected your views or relationships with others.

bradley says at the end of the day, we are all human beings who the same basic things, a safe, culpable place to become a reasonable food to eat, and clothing. so much of politics are perverted by people who want to shove their belief on others to the detriment of those basic needs. no decent american will vote republican in november. michael says does not go looking for an argument are the ideologues. they look to get emotions into the discussion because they are not interested in facts. let's hear from randy on the republican line in wisconsin. caller: good morning. and bradley, i would not put nothing out like that because once we get this voting in and everything, let the people get good reporting, udo? the media by how the report can get this country stirred up. i got democrat friends, independent friends.

we don't hate each other. we talked. we know everybody has their issues. we respect them. whatever their thoughts are, we respect them. sometimes you change your mind. sometimes you don't. but as far as politics affecting my relationship with anybody, maybe my sister, that would be about it. host: how did it change your relationship? what is going on with you and your sister, randy, if you want to tell us a little bit about that? politically anyway. caller: politically, she moved out east and she does real good out there, got a good job, and she gets a note through their company -- and she has gotten to know through her company a lot of democrats. rubbing elbows with the elite there. they play them over, you know? host: do you think that move,

the people she is surrounding herself with now has changed her? caller: i think so. she moved out there and the east coast completely changed it around. i don't believe she was as strong a democrat as she is when she moved out there, but you know, good for her. i respect her. i think she respects me. we have talked. host: so she is still welcome back in hagerstown i assume? caller: sure. host: kevin is up next in baltimore, democrats line. go ahead. caller: yes. a lot of my colleagues, our political views have affected. most of my friends are the same. i live in a democratic state. because we are so close to washington, d.c., they have seen

a lot of the riots and protests. our voices would not be heard. what happened on january 6 was something that basically -- something that was unheard of in our community. most people who were against politics or injustices would have stormed the capital like that, basically the military and police department would have been dispatched much, much quicker to incite the violence and keep the reputation of the national capitol. and the security of the capitol.

it seemed like the republican base in my opinion with donald trump is that he was not disassociated and standing for american values, but his values as a businessman across the world, business ties with russia, things like that. it just does not seem like his best interest is to help the majority of american citizens. host: ok, kevin. kevin, you talked about your coworkers, so do you think your view is very different from those of your coworkers? caller: no. i believe my coworkers' views -- my views can be a little slightly different, but it doesn't affect our relationship at work i think most of my

personal friends, our views are the same. with my coworkers from it can be slightly different, but because i am in a democratic state, most of the state views are that the republicans are very much a hostile party, even though we have a republican governor. some are republican but not the aggressive state that president trump brings. like i said, i am going to be blunt. if black people would have went to the government, to the capitol, i believe the national guard, everybody would have came there and it would have been a much different outcome if we would have tried to stop mike pence from making that determination to get trump out of there. host: ok, we will go to our

independent line. frank is in vero beach, florida. welcome. caller: good morning. i grew up in the 1960's. i have a real hard time with what is going on in the country today because back then, as we all know, not all of us, but a lot of us know it was being torn apart completely with the war, the drugs, just about everything, just like today. but for whatever reason, the reaction to it back then was totally different than the reaction of what is going on now. i am saying that as an independent. i have talked to people that i know, democrats, and we do not go too far. i am conservative. but it ends. there is no equal boundary between us. it is really disheartening. i really don't know what the answer is, but again, it just

seems like everybody's ideas are totally opposite of the others. i don't remember it always being that way. host: do you agree that there is something that we read earlier, what people agree on as facts -- people cannot agree the obvious facts of a situation politically, and that as a starting point for disagreement between people? caller: well, let me say this. i am retired now and will be 70 years old. i have a lot of time on my hands obviously, so i get to see too much. and what i see, the stuff i see on tv, and i don't care if you are republican or democrat, talking about the politicians, absolute straight out lies, and you see it.

if you watch it day today, you see it day-to-day. if you are watching it and paying attention to it, it is absolutely -- i have seen biden do it time and time again, just come out and say completely opposite of what he said before, whether it was three months ago, six months ago, and it is not just biden. it is all the politicians. how are the people supposed to react to that? that is what i think the biggest problem is. host: to jim in plantation, florida, republican line. go ahead. caller: hello. i have found it pretty much impossible to have a debate with people who are democrats, and it is a shame. so i would just like to say this. listening to your program today, and that is i want all the democrats listening to this

program to know that i don't know a single republican that agrees with the violence that occurred at the capitol on january 6. and anyone who says anything different than that is unnecessarily smearing a large swath of our population, and it only serves to divide us. and that is exactly what the democrat party is trying to do, unfortunately. i'm sorry. if that sounds like a smear, i'm sorry. that could be the only possible purpose for it because republicans are the law and order party. host: for you, jim, has it changed the last couple years in terms of your ability to talk with democrats on issues? caller: well, what happens when i have conversations with democrats is i see all the signs

of the brainwashing and suppression of opposite opinion. this influenced how they think. even today on your program, people have talked about lies, but they never state what the lie is. what is the lie? i can state the lies the democrats say. they claim illegal immigrants -- host: you just said it. you said joe biden lies. give us an example there of what you hear from joe biden one day versus what he said the next. caller: i was trying to tell you. i can clearly state the lies the democrats say. they say that illegal immigrants are being arrested. come on. is there any bigger piece of bs than that? he says the oil prices are higher because of production. the production is the same.

oil prices are higher because the world condition caused by the united states not increasing the 3 million barrels capacity that we have to offset that, so that is a lie. i can clearly state lies the democrats say, but the republican lies, i never hear them. host: jim mentioned the border. here is the headline from the associated press this morning. illegal border crossings hit and anyone high. in september, the number of illegal crossings were brought to the highest number ever in a fiscal year according to u.s. customs and border protection. (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000, the line for democrats. for independents, it is (202) 748-8002. has politics affected your relationships with family and friends?

has it affected your view of others? the idea of working across style has been dominant in some political ads this year, including the new hampshire senate race. the incumbent is maggie hassan. here is a look. [video clip] >> we are starting to bring progress, manufacturing -- we are started to make progress bringing manufacturing jobs from overseas. it is what i worked with republicans to pass a new law bringing microchip production back to america. that will lower the prices of cars and all kinds of electronics. this makes our economy more competitive and helps us make more things in america. i am maggie hassan and i approved this message because made in america is the way it should be. host: let's get back to calls in clarksdale, mississippi. democrats line, good morning to mary. caller: morning. i would like to say that i am listening to the callers today and throughout this situation from the insurrection day until

now. the people who are denying the truth, who are saying that the insurrection was an fbi scam and all this craziness, i just see that we have a part of the population who are in denial. and have my relationships been affected with friends and family because of things going on now? i would say no. but i did see the support that certain people give to the maga group who are black people, who appear to be very few, but as i see it, basically black men. there are black women too, but they are much. black men, hollywood, but i just understand that the people who are saying that insurrection activity was an fbi scam, that

is ridiculous. the people of the world are real intelligent. they know better. the maga group -- the one guy was saying just a minute ago that he doesn't know lies but it is being told every day. that is why i refer to it as the big lie. they are saying it was an fbi scam. that was true. because everything happened right before our eyes. we are people of human intelligence, so just because they want to deny the truth does not make it reality. that is my view. host: appreciate that, mary. this is from the 538, 2022 election coverage. three in 10 americans name political polarization as a top issue facing the country. political division has been on the rise for years in the u.s.

the gap between the two parties has only grown more sharply in congress while the share of americans who interact with people from the other party has plummeted. furthermore, americans who only read news or get sources from those with their beliefs exacerbate the political problems. in other words, hatred, specifically hatred of the other party, increasingly defined our products. let's go to jim in medford, new jersey, independent line. caller: hi. can you hear me? host: we can, jim. good morning. caller: great. good morning. i have three brief hot button issues that the country is facing today and what i think about it. i will say it real quick and conclude by saying why i think there is such discontent and politics. the first issue is giving tax

breaks to the rich people. i never understood that myself. the british prime minister over there is now the former british prime minister. when she tried to float that over there, she lasted about three weeks. in this country, i really don't understand how people don't see that. that is the first one. second, i'm nervous. host: you are doing great. caller: yeah. it's tough. second is the border. telling people they can come into this country and will get free health care and all the benefits and people who have been working here all their life, paying into a system, and just going to give it to them for free, and then having that border open, i mean, you know, everybody and their brother is going to come into this country and come over that border, and who can blame them?

that is the second issue. i guess you know where i stand on that. here is the third issue. gosh, i hope i can remember it. let me think. you get nervous when you are on the phone. host: it is all right. while you are thinking about that, all those issues, you are on the independent line, so two very different views there. do you find a lot of agreement amongst the friends and family you are with all those issues in particular, the tax issue and the border issue? caller: it is a lot of disagreement. sometimes it is hard to understand where the other people are coming from when you feel you know everything, and i think that is part of it. i thought of my third hot button issue. host: sure. caller: ok. yes, it is the pipeline. it is this idea that biden or the democrats have caused the price of oil to go up. again, it seems so common sense

to me. you have this oil that is up way at the north end of the country and they want to build this pipeline all the way down to the south end of the country. why do they want to do that? so that they can sell oil overseas to other countries at a higher profit. and who profits from that? the five guys sitting around the table and exxon mobil, because they don't want to sell it here in this country. we are getting oil from saudi arabia. we have been getting it from them for the last 30 years at a very reasonable price, and so they don't want to sell the oil here in this country. they want to take our national oil reserves, ship it, take it through all of this beautiful pristine land that we used to have come and say it is good for us and we will sell this oil overseas to somebody else. i ask people and say, how does america selling their oil reserves overseas equate to

american energy independence? i don't understand that. host: some good hot button issues. thanks for calling. the question for you this morning, has politics affected your relationships with friends and family or your view of others? our line if you want to send us a text is (202) 748-8003. one hear from mike in orlando, florida. as an independent, i don't have any problems talking to common sense republicans, but i have a problem with trump maga people. these un-american people are totally misinformed and has a distorted view of reality. david orlando says politics has affected my friendships and politics. it is said that people believe in lies, theories, and qanon. trump has destroyed americans wanting to work together. he seems to be nothing but a provider. i don't know the political views of my neighbors except for their signs, says

harry in mount lebanon, florida. in florida on the republican line, raymond, good morning. go ahead. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, thank you. caller: has politics affected my relationship or view with others? absolutely not. that is what our country is based on, disagreement, your side, my side, being able to talk you into maybe some of my ideas and vice versa. i love the debate. i have a brother, mother, and sister that are far on the democrat side. i have me and my brother that are far on the right side with being republican. we are all from massachusetts. we split our place through the years, but you know what? we love having conversations with each other. are we going to agree on the time? but am i going to change my view of my political view? that is like saying i am from boston and a red sox fan and you are a yankees fan and i will hate you because you are a

yankees fan. i think it is pretty petty and you have to look into yourself. if you are going to affect your relationship with others because of that, you got to look inside. host: let's hear from bruce on the democrat line in greenbelt, maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. i have several points to make real quick. the first point i would say is, yes, i did lose a friend. we were debating covid. he took the republican view of covid and i took the republican view of covid and he never spoke to me again. i tried to call him several times. i lost him as a friend. many decades. host: and he has not returned your calls? caller: no. i called him three times after our conversation and he never called me again. that is very sad. we had been friends for at least about 20 years.

the second point i would like to make is the political divide has actually also affected my relationship with some democratic friends of mine even though i am also democratic. i had a can position with a gentleman who said that republican senators and congresspeople who failed to certify the election were not doing their duty because the evidence provided's successful election was overwhelming based on the security of the election, and then he said yes but they have families to feed. they cannot afford to vote against the lie because they have constituency who they depend on for their careers. i was just absolutely outraged by that because i said when you are a congressperson or senator, your duty is more than just the usual duty that people have with

jobs feeding families. you have a special duty because you are somebody in a body of government who has responsibilities that transcend personal livelihood. that got me in trouble with some of my democratic friends who felt that even congressmen and senators need to be able to see their families rather than do things that were critical to keep our democracy going. i had a major disagreement with them over that. i did not lose those friends, but i certainly felt alienated by the and they probably felt alienated by me, even though both of us were democrats. the third point i would like to make is that i believe, and this goes back to livelihood, i believe protection of one's livelihood is one thing that will make people do the most extreme things, including

intentionally, maliciously lie about political issues. and the reason they do it is because they are angry that they lost their jobs, they cannot produce livelihood for their families, and that will make them do all kinds of desperate and angry things. and, you know, i think -- host: go ahead. caller: go ahead. i think the real problem here, the root of this whole thing, this whole disagreement between republicans and democrats, is the failure of our country and educational system across our country to successfully integrate people into the economy. if people did not have to worry so much about their livelihoods and how they were going to survive a new technological economy, they did not have to worry about that, i think we

would see a lot less animosity, a lot less desperation, and a lot less malicious lying and anger and desperation. host: you gave us a few things to think about. you talked about losing a friend in a disagreement over covid. the american enterprise institute, the survey called the survey un-american life, and this was one of the state of american friendship, the change, challenge, and loss. in that report, they say this, for most americans, political affiliation is probably not a prerequisite of forming a friendship. republicans and democrats are former likely to have friends that belong to their preferred party. about 82% democrats and republicans, 80%say they have at least some who share the se political identity. importantly, republicans have more bipartisan friendships than democrats do. a majority, 50 3% of republicans, say they have at least some friends who are

democrats. in contrast, less than one third, 32% of democrats, say they have some republican friends. that is from a report they did in june of 2021. let's hear from wanda in fort worth, texas, republican line, independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. good morning. host: good morning. caller: i agree with and disagree with most of the callers. i agree with most of them because i don't know what has happened to america. we are americans first. they keep us fighting. democrats, republicans, black, and white. what is really going on is rich and poor. they keep us divided. how do you report the white house situation as opposed to people writing on the streets? i am blamed much of it on the media, the optics. like the man said earlier,

america's education is earlier. i grew up in america was world-class -- when america was world-class. we believe we are still world-class. but integrity, how do we let somebody know live 4000 times? we just accepted the lying is ok. i am so ashamed of america. i am an american. i am independent. i vote republican and democrat, i vote for who can do the best for me, but it is a shame. they keep us divided, and it is happening on both sides. they blame republicans and democrats and nobody is doing anything but they are getting paid. i bet you if we stop their pay, they do something. we are americans. host: that caller from fort worth, texas.

former president donald trump was in texas last night. here is a headline. donald trump energizes suffixes voters ahead of early voting book is predict a red tsunami. here is what former president trump had to say. [video clip] >> all they do is investigate. we are like a nation that all we do is investigate. if that ever started come aboard would they be in trouble because what they have done in so many ways -- remember this. and i will get a little off subject, but january 6 was caused because of a crooked stolen election. and they don't even talk about it. january 6. never even discussed. they don't discuss that. what is the second thing discussed? nancy pelosi is in charge of

security in the capitol. he knows this better than anybody. there he is. they sent to my hands off, we are not going to discuss that. i authorized 10,000 to 20,000 troops four days, three days earlier. nancy pelosi did not like the look and she decided not to do it. they never discussed that and they never discuss voter fraud, which is the reason why they see over one million people. you see the picture? they never show the picture. the crowd i spoke before. they never talk about that. and they never talk about the fact that nancy pelosi refused to use the military. they did not need 10,000 or 20,000. if they have 500 people, it would have been more than enough and january 6 would not have been january 6 as we know it. they never talk about it.

and they sent me a subpoena the other day. these crooked people. these crooked people. and the only thing they don't investigate, the only thing they don't want to investigate, they won't investigate the corruption that took place in that election, which was massive. host: our opening question for you on "washington journal," has politics affected your relationships with friends, family, or your view of others? (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. a couple of comments on twitter. this one from jay was has, i can discuss politics with others and not have to be at the end of all relationships. as far as relationships, democrats are no longer liberal. how much more intolerant? they regularly block the voice of others.

stephen says, i talk to my friends and family even if they are election to buyers or trump supporters. just present the facts and hopefully they will understand the truth, which is why i cut off communication. two members were fascist racists , one says. steve is in san jose, california, on the republican line. caller: thanks for taking my call. a couple of points. maybe three or four points real quick. the republicans, the conservatives are always reaching out to the liberals at the democrats. and it is the liberals and the democrats, the left, that does not want that point of view heard. there is no finer example that the universities and the colleges. when was the last time you saw

conservatives rioting, protesting when a liberal presented their point of view in the auditorium? you don't see it happen. point number two, cancel culture is not a conservative term. it was not brought about by conservatism. it was brought out of the liberal movement. ok. we all know what cancel culture is. point number three. social media and tiktok and facebook, once again, they are attempting and they have been extremely successful at shutting down the conservative point of view. they had to had hearings but to no effect in congress. and i don't know when the situation is going to be

straightened out. and point number four. it is a shame that we are starting this. and i just noticed it in the last couple years. the teaching of -- in grade school, elementary school, this victim oppressor. you are either one or the other. a very divisive mentality. this is all marxism. host: to steve's point on free speech on college campuses, a different scene going on at the university of rochester new york. this is the headline. why free speech and especially disagreement matters on college campuses. they write a political scientist explains why the clash of ideas is necessary for a well functioning university.

david primo, a professor of political science in business administration at the university of rochester, has made promoting free speech and expression a priority, bringing guests from across the political spectrum to his classes, teaching an undergraduate course devoted to the topic, disagreement in a democratic society. he also directs the politics and markets project, and initiative he created in 2014 to encourage robust but civil discussions about contentious policy issues. george is on the independent line in highland, michigan. welcome. caller: hi there. how are you doing? host: doing fine, thank you. caller: do me a favor. today is my favorite moderator's 40th birthday. i wonder if you would wish them a happy birthday for me. host: sure. your favorite moderator? caller: yeah. greta is 48 years old today.

take an ice cream at 6:00, you all are invited. host: all right, george. thank you for your call. diane is in fayetteville, north carolina, democrats line. caller: yes, hi, good morning. they for taking my call. good morning, everyone. eskimo politics have affected my views of coworkers i used to work with. i worked for the federal government for 22 years in washington, d.c. and i also worked as a those procedures that they have at the voting polls are very secure. there is a republican poll judge there, a democratic poll judge there. you cannot leave the site for 10 hours, can't have your phone, media, anything like that. so those are very secure. i wish the media would stop giving donald trump a platform.

he is the great divider. he has pulled the wool over a lot of people's minds, and that is what i have to say. host: to forks, washington, doug, good morning. washington state, you are on the air. caller: good morning. host: hey there, doug. caller: i want to clear up a couple things if i could. number one is i don't know what a ultra maga person is or what the maga people are, but i love my maga hat because it says make america great again. plus, i love the fit. second thing is why everybody is so brainwashed, and i am talking about democrats, on they are going to cut social security? it is such a farce that comes up election time. i am on social security and not

worried it is going to happen. it never happens. something has to happen to fix it. the last thing that you hear all the time from democrats that is just beat into their head is that several cops were killed on january 6, which is another lie that just did not happen. host: there were police that died as a result of what happened on january 6, however. caller: what is that now? host: there were police that died as a result of what happened on january 6. caller: as far as the suicides, you mean? host: yes. caller: ok. i didn't hear that that was the reason they committed suicide. host: we will go to james in newark, new jersey, independent line. good morning. caller: yes, hi. i have been around for years now on both sides.

one thing, biden gave all companies permits to drill. the oil company says no. we are going to take the money and put it in our pockets. they don't drill. biden gave the oil companies permits to drill. one reason prices are high. jenny, i love her. she brings this up. paying the tax. i love her. and she brings this up. host: you love janet yellen.

why, james? caller: i have been in business from the 1970's and 1980's, new york city. they got my computer number. they got my computer tapped, whatever. they trust me. host: all right, we are going to wrap it up there for the first hour. thanks for all your calls and comments on "washington journal." still more of the program ahead. next, we will be joined by terry schilling. he will be with us to talk about organization efforts to promote profamily issues in the lead up to the november elections. later this morning, marc lamont hill, temple university professor at host of thegrio with marc lamont hill, which

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the secret to orrin hatch's effectiveness, passing all these laws, the secret was that orrin hatch saw everybody as a child of god coming from his deep, religious faith. he saw the nobility in his opponents. he saw his opponents as noble. >> william doyle with his book "titan of the senate," tonight on c-span's q&a. you can listen to q&a on c-span now. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us is terry schilling, president of the american principles project here to talk to us about issues important to conservatives in 2022.

what is the focus of your organization and who funds it? guest: we brand ourselves as the nra for family values. we leverage campaign investments and victories and we turn those. into legislative policy changes host: what was the principal reason behind founding the american principles project? guest: in 2009, we were a much different organization. we were all over the place. after the 2016 election, we met with pat mccrory, and he articulated a lack of political investment in the profamily policy world. we needed to fill the political gap for family policy. host: are you involved in funding political campaigns?

guest: that is primarily what we do. we are investing $8 million in the 2022 elections. we leverage those campaign victories into policy changes. host: what is a profamily candidate, and what would you define as an anti-family candidate? guest: our 3 focuses are protecting parental rights, especially as it pertains to education policy. that has been under attack for a long time. number two is addressing the transgender threat as it pertains to our children. there is a whole industry behind this, big pharma, ideologues, but they want to redefine what the human person is. and change our concept of what

gender is. they are locking children into a lot of these surgeries and hormone treatments. we think it is a bad thing. we want to protect families' rights to operate in the political arena. we work to restore the democratic norms of free speech and free election in this country and those are primarily what we focus on. host: an anti-family candidate is one who supports one or all of the things you are opposed to. guest: it is rare to find a candidate who is good on one of these issues. if you are bad on one issue, you are probably also bad on free speech and fair elections for us. we do not have to make any tough endorsements. host: your survey that you did, the headline of that poll, the

publication the americanprinciplesproject.org. the new poll, voters support profamily economic policy. tell us some of the takeaways on the survey that you did. guest: the abortion issue is contentious. we simplified things. we asked voters in swing states, which would you prefer, would you support voting for a republican who would support abortion up to 15 weeks when the baby can feel pain or a democrat who supports all abortions? it is a 2-1 margin. it is 51-34. 15 weeks is pretty modest. that gets us up to european standards. americans want profamily economics.

what i mean by that is specifically policies that will help families survive. we have come a long way after the last 50, 60 years. you used to be able to support a family with a single income. good luck doing that today with two incomes. we used to put everything around the family. we want to make it so there is more prosperity and moms and dads have to work less for more money. host: arguably, the trillions of dollars of covid spending that was necessary, or made necessary by the federal government, helped keep some families' heads above water. is it your view that that spending was an unnecessary driver of the inflation we see now? guest: i imagine it had some

impact. i wish it was more directed towards families and people who had children. the impact of this economy on us is exponential compared to single and unmarried people. i have six kids. you multiply the inflation rate by eight people and that is quite a bit. my problem with most government spending today is that it is not geared towards giving families more time together. they would rather use government funding for universal daycare, which keeps parents more out of the home, gets them more out of the workplace and more into the home. it separates children from their parents. joe biden's american families plan costs $1.9 trillion. there are 72 million kids in this country. i think parents would prefer to have had $24,000 for each one of their kids from the government,

rather than instituting new programs like expanding universal daycare. let's say you had two kids and you get $40,000 from the government to assist you. mom does not have to work anymore! she can stay home, help with the kids, and get involved with her local community like it used to be. host: terry schilling is president of the american principles organization. (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, and for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text if you want to at (202) 748-8003. in your profamily candidate, you did not list a stance on abortion. give us an idea of the range of candidates and their views on abortion that your organization supports.

guest: we would never endorse a pro abortion candidate. we try to fill gaps everywhere we go. frankly, there are a lot of pro-life groups. susan b. anthony list are my favorite organizations in the world. we try to fill a gap where no one is. there is no one in the political arena making politicians pay a price when they hurt parental rights and when they come after our kids and try to confuse them about their gender. we focus on going where no one else is and the pro-life space is crowded. host: i want to play the comments of tudor dixon, the republican nominee for governor in michigan. she was interviewed on fox news news this week. here is what she said about the issue of abortion in the campaign. [video clip] >> inflation, 29%, clearly

number one. then you have abortion laws. you have a statewide referendum on the ballot that addresses abortion. does that help you? does that hurt you? is that possibly the deciding factor in your race? >> initially a lot of people said, "the governor is going to decide this." that helps us because the governor is not going to decide this. that is on the ballot. if people want that position, for abortion with no limits, they can vote for it on the ballot without having to vote for a governor that has to choose that but it has also been , decided by a judge in the state of michigan, so abortion in the governor's race is off the table. it is inflation we are talking about. when we go back to inflation, we see that governor whitmer has had time and time again opportunity to put money into the pockets of people, whether it is cutting income tax, cutting retirement tax, or giving a gas tax holiday. she has vetoed all of those. people are saying, "you have had

four years to help us financially, and you are still saying no to the people." that is our opportunity to show the people we are willing to work with them and make sure it is affordable to live in michigan. host: even though abortion is a high priority issue in michigan, the voters will decide on that referendum. guest: i have mixed opinions about these ballot initiatives. i think a lot of times they are worded confusingly, and i think it is politicians relegating their duty. we hire politicians to be the professional legislators for us. a lot of times this language on the ballots is tough to understand. that is a major problem with the michigan ballot initiative on abortion. it would expand -- it gives

abortion rights, even the children, and it keeps the government into schools from notifying parents about their children getting pregnant. i have three daughters, and if any of them are ever in a tricky situation with an unplanned pregnancy, i want to be involved and engaged to help guide them through that process. i think these ballot initiatives are tricky, and i would prefer the governor of michigan get involved and have to get the consent of the people and bring them in to run campaign elections. the reality is tudor dixon is great on the life issue. that response was odd to deflect. gretchen whitmer is out of line with where michigan voters are. michigan voters do not want

unlimited abortion without parents even knowing about it. they want some restrictions on abortion. tudor dixon has a great campaign platform. host: let's get to calls for terry showing. we will go first to roland in glen bernie, maryland on the democrats' line. caller: hopefully i can make a statement before you cut me off this time. here's the thing -- these folks use this abortion issue, what is his view about the family leave bill right now in congress? it is republicans preaching the family value stuff. guess what? these are the same folks that preach forever, "if they increase the minimum wage to $15, everybody will be fired!"

guess what, they cannot to even get anyone to work anymore for less than $16. all the major industries are making record profit. they are making a killing. republicans lied about that one. also, these are the same folks that refused to expand medicare in the south. these folks found a reason to kill this, to keep them ill, keep them down. they do not want black folks to have medicare. host: roland, you put a couple of things on the table there. we appreciate your call. guest: one of the reasons we decided to have our project fill this political gap for families

is because there was no political party for the american family. sure, republicans would give great lip service to it, but ultimately we have two political parties in this country. i wouldi would say democrats are party of big government. the party of big business.there is not a party for big family. that is what the amer reorient the republican enforce the democratic party to be more focused on how they can put families at the center of public policy. i completely agree with the caller. he might be confused because i am on the right side of the aisle, but we have seen complete devastation of the american family. it takes 2 incomes to keep your head above water. you do not even put children into the mix and it is tough to

survive. we need to get back to prioritizing the family and putting it at the heart of our economic policies and social policies. and ultimately of our foreign policy as well. host: let's hear from laura on the independent line in ohio. caller: hello. i would like to bring up to -- two issues. one, the sexual orientation issue. i remember back in the early 80's when i fell in love with a black man. my family in the south had conniption fits, and it was only because i was not remembering that is not allowed. they were deciding what was right for me for family, just like this man is trying to decide what is right for what your identity is. if you are a true christian, the bible says let god judge. on the abortion issue, i wish no one ever had an abortion.

anybody that has a child and does not want to keep it can drop that child at my house. i will raise that child. how many republicans have taken in children who are not biologically connected to them? how many are willing to do that? if you are not willing to put your money, your time, your effort, your love, where your mouth is, shut up. guest: first things first on abortion, i think we have an upside down world we are living in right now. our government tells us we have societal obligations that a taxpayer like me, i have to pay for complete strangers to go to college, to go to grade school, we have to contribute to our military. we have all these social obligations to people we are totally unrelated to. when it comes to a mother and father, we do not even owe these unborn babies nine months in the womb.

at a minimum, if we want things to make sense, i think a mother and their father owe their baby at a minimum a duty of nine months in the womb, and then they can give the baby up for adoption. there are millions of people willing to take these kids into their homes and adopt these babies. i went through the adoption process as a teenager with my girlfriend. we were overwhelmed by how many people were willing to take our kids. that is a misnomer. regarding the other aspects about self identification, we focus on the transgender issue, and that is simply because we think the notion that people can be born in the wrong body is a lie. when you start to do cosmetic surgeries that permanently alter somebody's body by dropping off body parts and removing organs,

we think that is a bad thing, especially when it seems to be that these are issues dealing with the mind. democrats want to embrace gender dysphoria. they think gender dysphoria is the right thing here. as a profamily person, i think someone who suffers from that should conquer that. they do not need hormone treatments. all of these surgeries and hormone treatments cost thousands and thousands of dollars. there are people making money off of this. we just want to do the best thing for people. people can be wrong. people can identify is the wrong thing. the real goal should be to get people the appropriate help they need, and we need to rely on expert opinion and expert research because right now on the transgender issue, there is nothing like that. host: one of your organization's focus for candidates, parental rights especially when it comes to education. what did you learn from the campaign and the focus that they glenn youngkin campaign had in virginia on educational debates, including parental rights

debates in that state? guest: there were two major things. one is that parents feel like across-the-board their elected officials do not care about their thoughts. you see this playing out in public polling. the other thing we took from this is that focusing on parental rights in education and empowering parents, it is a winning issue. this is what voters want and that is what we have in america. you have politicians get rewarded for doing what the voters want. glenn youngkin used that issue to turn a very blue state red for the first time since 2009. it is a very powerful political issue, and it is an issue americans feel strongly about. host: and it is an issue your organization is putting money into. this is a headline from the associated press. you focused on some school board

races in florida. i wanted to show our viewers and listeners an ad you had in that campaign. [video clip] >> radical democrats want to indoctrinate our kids. they think parents should not have a say in their child's education. terry, jill, justin, and rick will protect parents' rights. they know they are sexualizing our children. vote for the parents' caucus. ♪ host: terry schilling, what got you involved in that campaign? guest: we focus on federal and statewide races, and we had the opportunity to get involved in a local county race, and it was an experiment for us, and it was a very successful experiment. there were 4 open school board

seats, we won 2 outright, and we got one of the candidates to a runoff. that will be decided on november 8. it was something i got to be creative on. we branded these 4 profamily candidates as the family caucus. candidates will either decide to empower parents or empower teachers unions. you either want to defer to the experts and the elites in the education system, or you want to let parents decide what their kids are learning. host: are you concerned at all about some of the fallout from that, the books that have been removed from school libraries? guest: there are self-evident truths here.

it is silly to remove " anne frank's diary." it is silly to remove books like "mauss." it is dangerous to keep some of these other books in their. there are literally pornographic cartoon novels in libraries. " this is a book that has graphic depictions of sex. we try to air a commercial on tv in maine with these graphic parts blurred out. the tv station turned us down. that is how extreme this book is. in what world are some of these books not able to be shown on broadcast television, but they are allowed to be given to our kids in grade school? that is happening right now. there are books that we are removing that should not be like the diary of anne frank come up there are also books we are putting into our schools that should not be within 500 feet of a school. it is crazy. we need honest people to be in charge of making these decisions. host: next is ron in indiana on the democrats' line.

caller: i was just thinking, he is arguing that families seem to need more support. it seems to me that families have a lot of support through the government, through tax incentives, through private organizations like family planning to help them get food stamps, and then local charities that also support families. where is the support for single people who do not feel like children should be brought into a world like today? i have to say where is the freedom for the young 20- to 26-year-old woman who is trying to better herself by getting a promotion in her career or going to college and who is married and already has a child but gets

pregnant just as she is selected to go to college or selected for promotion and now she cannot accept that because she has a child. where is her freedom to get an abortion so she can better her life and make her family's life better? if you could answer these 2 simple questions, i think that would go a long way. guest: i think there is a great discrepancy between how we treat corporations and how we treat families in this country. if i am a corporation, i get to write off all of my investment into my business. when i pay my rent or when i pay for my building, when i pay for my equipment, when i pay my employees, i get to write all of that off on my taxes. if i am a corporation, i pay taxes on my net income, as a as a family i pay taxes on my gross adjusted income. when i am stuck in a school

district and i have to send my kids to a decent school and i have to pay $1500 a month for that, i have to pay taxes on all of that on top of paying my own property taxes. that is a discrepancy. if i'm a corporation, i get to write that off at the end of the year. when i have to buy a new car for my company, i get to write that off for my bottom line. we need to start incentivizing family formation more than business and capital formation. along those lines, there is a lot of support for people who get pregnant out of wedlock. you said there is so much support with welfare and food stamps for people who get pregnant, but then you said that these women that get pregnant at want to better their lives, they should be able to get abortions because they do not have enough support. which is it? i would say it is a little bit of both.

we are incentivizing a lack of family formation here in half of kids in america are born without a father in a home. that is tragic. we need to get back to incentivizing family formation with both a mom and dad in the household. that is what kids need. if you are not producing the next generation, who will be paying social security? who will be paying medicaid? who is going to be funding this if we are spending trillions of dollars a year but not replenishing our taxpayer base? that is a problem in america. host: terry schilling heads the american principles project. your call is welcome at (202) 748-8001. that is the republican line. democrats, (202) 748-8000. and for independents, (202) 748-8002. from florida, jim on the independent line. caller: my biggest issue is the soldiers in the united states

who have been killed and our government instead of giving them money is giving it to illegal people coming into the u.s. i disagree with that 100%. host: does your organization have a view of our veterans and the military? guest: we have, not really staked about out, but we need to prioritize our own citizens and we need to reform our military. the military is funding a lot of crazy things right now. on the transgender issue, they are doing a lot of experiments on that stuff. there is a lot of dysfunction there and military families need more support. these guys come back and they deal with a lot of issues from seeing combat, and it has a bad impact on the family. we need to give these guys support. we need to take care of them. the suicide rate is way too high with our servicemen and women

and the family breakup rate is way too high as well. host: let's hear from linda in west jefferson, democrats' line. go ahead. caller: i have a very quick question. you keep talking about family, but you have not told me what you or your organization, what is your definition of family? that is a very broad word. i am going to get off the line. this will be very interesting to me. guest: i think the definition of a family is the universal definition. if you go to any other part of the world and ask them what a family is, what are they going to say?

they will say a family is a mom, a dad, and a baby or a kid. ultimately, there does not need to be a biological relation. even people who are widows. family is a broad definition. it is a much broader definition than what is a woman, which we are also debating with the nation. a woman is an adult human female. families take all different shapes and sizes. when it comes down to it, there is only one union that produces a child of both persons involved in that union and that is a mother and father who are married. that is what i would define a family as. if you go to any little village in south america or any little village in africa, asia, or europe, and ask them what a family is, they will define it as a mom, a dad, and a baby. that is what we need. that is what produces new human beings. and has an equal genetic makeup between the two parents involved. that is what i would define a family as. host: would you agree that the

union of a gay man and gay woman, if they adopted kids, raised kids as their own, better they adopt kids than those kids being unadopted or in a foster situation? guest: it is not really an issue. kids need a home. if two women can provide that, or if two men can provide that, that is much better than being in a foster care system, but what we need to prioritize is giving these kids normalcy. we talk a lot about foster care and kids who need to be put back into homes. they need that normalcy. these kids in foster care are older. they have been removed from their current home because of dysfunction, suicide, drug abuse. we need to get back to there being a difference between men and women.

men bring something to the table. dads are much different than moms. they are complementary. i learned a lot from my dad that my mom could not provide, and vice versa. we need to get the best things for these kids. sometimes that is just getting them out of the foster system. we should be striving to make sure every kid we can get has a mother and father in the home. moms and dads are totally necessary. host: you had political experience with your dad. he ran for congress, right? guest: i was graduating college in 2009. he was a pizza guy. he had no college degree. host: he owned a pizza shop? guest: we had a restaurant called saint giuseppe's heavenly pizza. he wanted to run for congress after the 2000 election. we ended up catching lightning

in a bottle and we won. he ended up serving only one term. it was the experience of a lifetime. work between a father and a son is a special thing. it is a tradition i want to continue. host: why do you think he asked you to manage his campaign? guest: because i had more political experience. i had been following politics since i was five or six years old. i have been watching c-span since i was a little kid! he knew i had worked on campaigns before. it was weird as his son to have experienced of that because it was always me going to him for advice. host: did he go back to running the restaurant? guest: yes. we are up to 3 stores now! host: a little plug for your dad's place there. a question from denise in minnesota. she says, "daycare is essential for allowing mothers to go to work.

not all mothers are meant to stay home. for their mental health, they need to work, not to mention their need to contribute to our society. men can stay home as well. each family should be able to decide for themselves." guest: i agree dads should be able to stay home. i don't think it matters whether it is moms or dads. personally i would prefer my mom to be home because she was more nurturing for me. we need to get back to supporting a family off of one income. we need to get rid of this myth that in the 50's, 60's and 70's that women did not have an impact on society and their lives were meaningless. we had prosperity during that time. that means they got to stay home. they got bored in the house, so what did they do? they started civic institutions. they worked at the library. they volunteered at the local pta.

they ran our local communities. what has happened since we have created an economy where families need two incomes to survive, our local communities are being destroyed. . they are not being run. they are being run by political activists. our local institutions like the pta are being run by political activists instead of concerned moms. moms can go to work and dads can stay home, but we need to have people back in the home again because no one is watching the kids. why do you think there was so much anger when parents started finally learning what their kids were learning in school with all of the racism and the weird transgender stuff going on? parents were shocked to find this out. we created an economy where both mom and dad have to be out of the home all day long, no one is watching the kids. our kids deserve to have at least one parent helping to run the household.

prosperity means fewer hours worked for more money. right now, both parents have to work 720 days a year. it is unfortunate because we deserve better. that is not prosperity. host: let's go to david in swedesboro, georgia on the independent to line. caller: good morning. i hate to sound bad. i am an educated heathen who is an american. listening to you this morning talking about taxes and your private schools and how much you all are paying, why ain't you putting all those children in one school and fixing it up so you can have the school there, and give the money to the city and the counties so they can do their job?

conservatives have cut the guts out of this country over and over with the same wonderful disneyland you are coming from. you are not facts-based in reality. guest: i do not know what you are talking about, frankly. we spend way more money and public education today than we ever have before. the problem is it is not going to teachers. 50% of every tax dollar spent in the education system goes to administration costs. it goes to counselors. it goes to things that are not helping our kids. that is why our kids in eighth grade in fairfax county virginia, that is why only 35% of eighth graders are proficient in reading. only 35% of kids in fairfax county, which spends $17,000 per year, per kid in the school system, can read at their grade

level. dirty 5% can read at or above their own grade level. 65% of kids in fairfax county are failing. they are illiterate. our public education system does not listen to parents like me. our school board is run 9-0 by democrats who refused to take input from parents like me. i appreciate your comments, but i was forced to put my kids into alternative schools. i would love to keep them in public schools, because i don't like having to pay $1500 a month for my kids' education and i really hate that i pay $8,400 a year in my personal property taxes. thank you for your comment, but it is not a workable solution. host: in a text, "my parents sent me and my brothers to catholic school. some of the older nuns were simply 'out of touch.' this left a lasting impact on me. teachers should not introduce a

sensitive subject matter." guest: this is a big issue we hear time and time again from parents. they do not want strangers -- these people barely know our kids. they do not want these people talking to their kids about these sensitive topics around sexuality or race. these are conversations parents should be directing. i went to public schools. the education system has really dropped off, and they do not listen to parents anymore. that is a sentiment that parents across the country feel. it is important that they be the ones having these difficult conversations with their children. host: here is happy from princeton, minnesota. caller: i'm just wondering why politicians are so set on having mothers stay home?

not every mother can stay home. a lot of families are a one parent family, whether it is a father with their kids or a mother with their kids. not everybody is a father, mother, child. maybe i missed something. not every family is a father, mother, child situation, and i do not get why you guys are so intent on having mothers stay home. host: we have covered some of the territory before. guest: i just want mothers to have the option to stay home. what is tragic right now is that so many parents do not have that choice. ultimately, if you ask mothers and fathers, if they would prefer to go to work or stay home, they would stay home with their families.

you're going to be working somewhere. you are either going to be working in the home for your family and giving them a lasting legacy, or you will go work at google and help make eric schmitt more of a billionaire. we are all working toward something. you are either helping rich, white men become even bigger billionaires, or you will be helping out your family and serving your family. the tragic thing is because of government policies and regulations, we have taken that choice away from so many families who want to make that. we have policies incentivizing fathers to depart the home, to leave their families and abandon them. it is tragic. we need to increase the responsibility of both parents. what it comes down to is no one cares if women work anymore. we just want them to have the choice to stay home and be with their kids or to go to work.

the biography notes scholars have betrayed -- have portrayed frankfurter as a judicial failure and the warring courts principal dylan and none of these characterizations ring

true. brad snyder uses 700 pages to examine justice frankfurter's life. >> brad snyder on this episode of book notes plus. it's available on the c-span now free mobile app or wherever you get your podcast. >> the control of power in congress is at stake. can democrat -- can democrats retain control of the senate? from now until election night, followed the cover of key accounts and senate races with our covers of debates and candidate events as they happen on tv and the c-span now app, on-demand on our website and find our data rich election page at c-span.org/campaign 2022.

live, sunday, november 6, from the texas book festival in austin, the president and ceo of the lbj foundation will be our guest talking about u.s. presidential history. his books include the last republican and jfk in the presidency. join the conversation with your phone calls, facebook comments, texts and tweets. sunday, november 6 on "in-depth" on book tv on c-span two. hington journal continues. host: it is open forum here on washington journal, a chance for you to weigh in on topics we have talked about this morning or something you are watching in the news. (202) 748-8001 is the line to use for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. and for independents and others,

(202) 748-8002. " china's commune east party -- china's communist party congress. president can -- president xi surrounds himself with loyalists. officials primed to bolster his security. president xi revealed the standing committee. the six men who will serve under xi have close ties to him. mr. xi will lead a government where he dominates for better or worse." the reporting of the new york times on the chinese communist party congress where xi was reelected. our next caller is on the line in detroit, michigan.

caller: after listening to the last segment, i felt like i wanted to chime in about this idea that we need to protect children from people even discussing homosexuality. i feel like our guest sort of forgot that scientifically speaking, reality speaking, 10% of those children are themselves homosexuals. there is something extremely oppressive about this, and it actually contributes to mental health issues, and i think he has forgotten or does not care that homosexual people exist across this country, and some of them are people who will in the future discover they are homosexual, this is not healthy. there is nothing wrong with being gay.

and that is pretty much all i have to say about it. host: next up is jay on the republican line. jay is in hyattsville, maryland. caller: give me a minute. let me get this out. god calls homosexuality an abomination. it is in the bible, leviticus. you are having marc lamont hill on fro -- a black media outlet having a black man on to discuss black issues. style, he works for the nation. last i checked the nation is not black-owned. our university is as close as cato.

having more of those people on would help. i hope you would engage with me. i have some friends who are for and against the bds movement. why is that c-span never has the other side of the bds movement in regards to israel? i never hear any pro-palestinian opinions. there was one lady about a year ago, but that is not something that is done regularly. if i had to complain about you guys being fair and balanced, it would be that we only hear one side of that argument. they said israel was an apartheid state. it is not anti-semitic, but you never hear anybody come on c-span taking calls and relating the palestinian side.

can you engage with that? why is that? host: i appreciate your suggestion. obviously the many years we have been doing this program, i cannot recall the types of guests we have had on. sometimes in election cycles some of the issues crowd out others. in terms of the israeli-palestinian issue, it may be less of an important issue at the moment at hand. we have addressed in the past. i appreciate your input. our producers listen to this show and take suggestions all the time. let's go to andrea in amherst, massachusetts, independent line. it is open forum. caller: i would like to address this question to your previous guest directly.

what value do you see in transgender americans at all? i would ask anybody in this country who claims they want to protect the family against transgender ideology to ask that question themselves. they are not a threat to the american family. they are part of the american family. they are fathers, brothers, aunts, nieces. in my family there are transgender people who are loved and cared deeply about. no one considers them a threat to their family because they are a part of it. it is something people should be embracing and learning how to love. i do not understand how people do not already love these members of our american family. they are not a threat. people need to be more compassionate and think of themselves and think about the message they are putting out here -- that they are dangerous?

host: do you think it is appropriate at all four issues of sex education for those issues for local school boards to be -- for issues of sex education, for those issues for local school boards to be taught? is that appropriate for a local school board to take up? guest: it is a -- caller: it is appropriate for americans at every level. my family has children who know and love their transgender cousins. the message of sexual education and that transgenderism is related to sex, it is related to gender identity that children deserve to know about because it affects them and members of their family. host: to daniel, next up on the

democrats' lying in burke's town, tennessee. caller: it is an honor to speak with you once again as it is with all of your fellow moderators. stellar performances. i appreciate it. mr. schilling's first words out of his mouth was the phrase " anti-family." this is just another example of how they will take a phrase and try to divide people. another example would be " pro-abortion." who in the hell loves abortion? i underestimated the length and breath of the brainwashing that fox news and newsmax and one america has done to america. i didn't know that trump's and the gop's behavior was

acceptable to so many people. relating to your first topic this morning, much like and they fear the washington journal, they do not want to listen to opposing views. they are in denial from brainwashing. they are brainwashed from under education. they forgot to ask basic questions like how, where, who, why, when? the tenants of journalism. maybe they need to take stock of that murdoch series that is on cnn. some people, some of your viewers may be able to connect the dots. thank you for your time. i will stay on the line, if you have a comment or question. host: we will move on to rick in

kroger lake, new york. caller: [laughter] that's ok. i might be lost this morning yoo! -- this morning too! about what your previous guest said about how much it cost him to educate his child, what i -- why are senior citizens and people with no children paying school taxes? if you do not have kids, you cannot win and voice your opinion on their education. before i retired, i was a maintenance supervisor. we used to get two or three boys a year from the high school, elderly boys to help during the summer and maintenance. you would be surprised how many times we would have to be doing maintenance work, or need a ruler and they could not even read a tape measure or a ruler.

we are paying for these immigrants coming over here with three or four kids to get a free education, the way i see it. host: let's hear from polly who is in flushing, michigan on the republican line. polly in michigan, there you are, go ahead. caller: i am calling in regards to your earlier guest. i'm 85. i lived through those years before roe. i know what it meant when roe finally was made the law. i know how many friends committed suicide because they were pregnant once again. remember,, there was no birth control either so many of the people that support or are

opposed to roe opposed birth control too. so many of my friends committed suicide when they found out they were pregnant once again with a husband who was not a good husband or father because they could not work. they could not go out and get a job. they had to put the children first. we have come too far to go back now. my feeling is that the mother's life comes first. if it is the last month of the pregnancy, and the mother is sick with cancer -- i saw this happen top where women -- too where women were sick -- she was allowed to die in hopes that the baby would survive. we were bombarded with these

movies and books that glorified the sacrifice of the mother's life to bring the baby into the world, but i saw my mother come home from hurley hospital where she was aware of the fact that one of our neighbors died in childbirth, leaving a large family. the baby lived, the mother died. all of those children were orphans. host: polly, there in michigan your to bring the baby into the world. i saw my mother come home from the hospital, where she was aware of the fact when of our neighbors died in childbirth, leaving a large family.

host: caller: people always seem to want to go back. my feeling is, when the mother's life is in danger, she comes first. host: it is open forum on "washington journal." this is a story published this morning, democrats fear the midterm map is slipping away. they write that the public tracking whole flashed a major

warning side -- sign in mid-october reporting a 20 percentage point jump since september and the share of independent voters concerned about the economy and gas prices. that was not the only data showing a turn in the tide. regional challenges had shown up in internal democratic polls from deep symptoms in the pacific northwest, new york, and rhode island. strategists say crime and a major focus of republican advertising has also risen. >> who is also behind it is stephen miller. they are sending flyers all over the country with horrific -- it is going to go the way of mike pence. i don't think there are too many pray away the gay anymore.

i wish they could be stopped. they are horrific. host: our caller from ohio, this opinion piece about the ohio senate race. the headline, tim ryan is winning the war for the soul of the democratic party. published today in the new york times. they say tim ryan seemed the unlikely object of caustic rhetoric, 49-year-old former college football quarterback, he is the paragon of affability, the campaign video is so innocuous that it might be easily mistaken for an insurance commercial. his great passions outside politics are yoga and his mindfulness practice. "we have to love each other, care about each other, see the best in each other, forgive each other, he declared when he won the democratic primary in may. it was written, he isn't just

preaching kindness and forgiveness, for years he has worn fellow democrats that there free-trade will cost him districts like the one he represents and lobby them to prioritize domestic manufacturing, which he argued could repair some of the damage. things have not gone as predicted in the race. mr. ryan is running close enough in the polls that a political action committee aligned with mitch mcconnell, the senate leader, had to commit $28 million to keep the seat and mr. vance had to ratchet up his attacks against this "week, fake congressman." this was written that tim ryan is pointing his party toward a path of recovery in the midwest. on the campaign trail he has a tone that stands out from the crassness and divisiveness mr. trump and his imitators have wrought. the exhaustive majority of

voters have responded gratefully . that is at nytimes.com. next up in hendersonville, north carolina, independent line. caller: good morning. i was wanting to talk to the previous to guest you had on, but that's all right. i am a transgender woman and some of the things he was saying about transgender is just flat out wrong. it is hate speech. i don't like seeing people come up on your show and be able to spout nonsense about transgender's and not have people actually challenge them on it. the fact that he said people with gender dysphoria need to just get over it, that is not something people can just get over. i spent my entire life struggling with it and finally had the confidence to come out to people and the response i got for my conservative family was that my mom wanted to shoot me.

that is not a healthy response people need to have it this kind of thing. transgender people are here. we exist. we are not going anywhere no matter how far the right tries to push us back into the closet. host: thank you for the call. maria on indiana -- from indiana on the republican line. caller: good morning. as far as the last guy that was speaking about the transgender think with the children, the kids need to have a balance and they need to understand who they are before they start telling these people they are gay or lesbian and these types of things. most times children are molested somewhere is why they start encouraging these types of behaviors. the other groups, some of them are sick coming in the door from just birth.

two men cannot make a baby and two women cannot either. i would be very uncomfortable if a woman tried to approach me in some kind of way. we were raised in the home with a black mother and black father and i had mixed grandparents of a different race. we would talk about everybody, no matter what their situation is. we have to get a handle on these strangers talking to our children in schools about sex. they need to learn how to read and write. i had a 20-year-old young man told me he had never seen how his penmanship is as far as cursive. he said they stopped teaching it to them in school. he was born in 2002. by the time he went to sixth grade it was. he is 21 years old and i bought

him a penmanship book. he also said, i'm so sick of trying to go to class and these gay people constantly touching me and trying to convince me that -- host: what grade level was he? caller: he was in sixth grade. then the abortion issue, for those women who want to have an abortion, let them have it. those who do not choose to have it, then let them have the child. host: to nathan in mount morris, michigan, democrats line. caller: my comment is about the student loans. i asked the question and i know you can answer it. who benefits from a student going to college and getting a very good -- coming back and getting a very good job?

who benefits from that? host: you answer that question. that is a rhetorical question. who do you think it benefits? caller: i think if a student goes to school and some of the loans are forgiven, who benefits? the student, his family, and the company that hires him, because they claim they are not getting enough good people in jobs, and i think that the corporations that make a whole lot of money, there needs to be a special tax put on them for student loans through what do you think of that? host: i appreciate the call we will go to joyce on the independent line in washington, d.c. good morning. caller: i am in the state of washington. host: i'm starry, that -- i'm sorry, state of washington. caller: the forming of a

constitutional convention and the person i heard say this is that they have 31 states that have signed up to hold a constitutional convention and i don't know if this is true or not, that it came up in the house where it would originate and nancy pelosi did not put it on the agenda. the ideas expressed that would be there is that every state in the country would only have one vote and that also they would have the idea that if the supreme court made a ruling they did not like, they could overturn it and they would have a panel that would be in charge of reversing whatever they did not like.

if this is true, and we have an election coming up and have all of these issues people are concerned about and we are going to the polls to vote, if we lose our vote to depend upon, who rules the house of representatives? we don't make a major focus on the fact that this is. we need to have a on that. if our constitution is dismantled, none of what we are talking about will make sense. host: i think she is talking about an article five convention we talked about it earlier this year. this is one of the latest stories from indiana on the hamilton county reporter. calls for a convention of the states to term limits, constitutional amendments, he

spoke on the senate floor to voice his support for constitutional convention and an amendment to the spending bill that would make it easier for the american people to call a convention in the state as outlined in herbal five of the constitution. the senator criticized congres'' failure to pass a budget and relying instead on continuing resolutions which kick the can down the road for months at a time. we will go to leo into crystal lake, illinois. caller: good morning. donald trump, if you are listening, i would like to apologize to you for taking on the title of president of the united states. that is an insult to anyone who works for a living. about the last guest that was on, donald trump pointed out that 70,000 factories moved out of the united states.

of these factories, they all received subsidies they bought a new machine. everything was deductible. they took all of those deductions and improved their businesses, kept the profit and moved to china and show them the technologies that we paid for. so i think we should charge these people who take their companies and moved to china interest on the tax deductions they got and terminate their business licenses and are never able to open a business in the united states. host: lionel is next in baltimore, democrats line. caller: good morning. i have a little problem. it is about the crt thing. in the united states, crt,

critical race theory. you have to teach it, because our country is about critical race theory. you have to have it. without it, it is no country. myosin murdered this white girl -- married this white girl, and she is a nice girl. i was born in 1951 and there were a lot of problems back then. we went through out of that. it was hard. people were hitting each other and battles were going on and now we went through all of this and got donald trump and people early started hating each other.

the attack on the capitol. my daughter-in-law is there and they live in a mixed neighborhood and people are running around and nothing changed. host: how do you think that teaching critical race theory in the schools will help? why is that important? caller: because what happens is, you show the history of the country and it shows, actually it helps. white folks and black folks, it isn't that bad between us. it shows -- i mean, if you look at it, our relationships are better than ever. there are just groups of people. you have groups like the crowd

boys, one per centers and other -- 1 percenters come and go black groups that might be antiwhite -- pe and blackrcenters, -- percenters. host: coming up marc lamont hill , discusses black voters and the campaign. that is next. >> in brad schneider's new book, the cover notes the conventional wisdom about felix frankfurter,

former harvard law professor and supreme court justice is that he struggled to fill the seat filled by oliver wendell holmes. the biography notes that scholars have portrayed him as a judicial failure, a lawyer turned conservative justice and the courts principal villain and yet none of these characteristics ring true. he uses 700 pages to examine justice frankfurter's life. >> brad snyder on this episode of book notes plus. it is available on the c-span now free mobile app or wherever you get your podcast. >> this election day, november 8, the control of power in congress, will republicans regain the house? can democrats regain control of the senate?

follow coverage of the house and senate races with coverage of debates, rallies, and candidate events, as they happened on tv and on the c-span now app and on demand and found -- find our data rich election page online. >> there are a lot of places to get political information, but only at c-span do you get it straight from the source. no matter where you are from or where you stand on the issues, c-span is america's network, unfiltered, unbiased, word for word. if it happens here or here or here or anywhere that matters, america is watching on c-span, powered by cable. >> book tv, every weekend on c-span two, features leading authors discussing their latest nonfiction books.

manhattan institute senior fellow shares his book "criminal injustice," where he argues defining the police would disproportionately harm black and brown americans. and an activist looks at the relationship between black voters and the democratic party, with her book black skinheads. watch book tv, every weekend on c-span two. find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at book tv.org. host: with us is marc lamont hill, a media studies professor and host of the upcoming show “thegrio with marc lamont hill”" which debuts on their network.

welcome to the "washington journal." caller: it is a pleasure to be here. host: your program debuts monday. what will it be like? caller: it will be a mix of every part of lack life, political issues, top news stories, covering entertainment culture with the big debates happening online. it seems often times when people say it news or cable news, with a really mean is political news, and that is important and a big chunk of my show. there are other dimensions of every community where they care about what is happening their health and taxes. i want to make sure all of the areas are covered. there will be a lot of spirited debate. i heard an earlier viewer talk about crt and critical race

theory, and i have been at the forefront of some of those major debates. not just the theory itself but issues around race and identity and politics and how it is playing out. i want to bring on the toughest opponents. this will be let pro wrestling on a saturday afternoon, the best opponents can find, and we are going to have some great conversations. host: what time will he show air? caller: 7:00 p.m., it is an hour-long show from 7:00 until 8:00. host: where do you think you will fit? focusing on the political discussion in the midst of the other cable political news shows happening at that time on fox, msnbc and on cnn, what do you -- where do you think it fits? caller: we fit because we weave the different dimensions. i know you said specifically

around the political, but the political plays out in other dimensions of our lives. the other networks are focusing exclusively on the horse race or on the biggest scandal of the night. what we want to do is say, blacks are really afraid about housing right now or there are very serious issues going on that we need to think about with regard to voter suppression, and those are issues that should matter to all americans, but particularly important to us. i cover the political realm and i will also make sure we are not just talking about the horse race but the very specific issues that matter to our community, including issues that often don't get taken up by the politicians themselves. host: as you get set to come on the air monday, your

organization produced and released a survey of black voters. what was the partnership between the kaiser foundation? caller: the idea was that we needed an in-depth public survey that focused exclusively on black voters, rather than just having a sprinkling of black voters among the broader population. it is important, so we make 13% of the population so being representative is important. but it'll be what exclusively matters to the black voters so the politicians, many of whom who pretend to care about black voters, can help to get a better understanding of what our needs are and our interests are and what our focus is.

that is democrats and republicans as well. host: the right that it reveals the black electorate is concerned about the economy and the rising cost of living, but waiting economic and on economic issues in deciding how to vote in november. with inflation and affordability of housing, voting rights, gun violence and criminal violence emerge as top issues for black voters. did anything in the survey surprise you? caller: surprise would be strong, but i would say -- that is a great question. i think the question about electoral integrity, which i always knew black people were worried about, but here seven in 10 were worried about voter suppression in their state says something significant. to hear that 46% stated they had to wait in long lines to vote in the past tells you a lot about

the experience of black voters but also the kind of fears and concerns we have. people who had good expenses are worried about voter suppression efforts. that is something i think is incredibly important. people underestimated in terms of another -- i will say surprise, but certainly runs counter. there was a strong opinion of people who thought that the environment -- many times people think black people don't worry about the environment or climate change is something we aren't thinking about, but we are. it isn't the top agenda but nor is it a top for many americans. sometimes people think black people are only thinking about racism, only worried about violence or whether critical

race theory can be taught in schools. the kind of sensational media stories would have you think that is what we are doing. black people care about things that every american cares about, health-care care, gas, student debt. i think it is important, and this might be cleaning something that might be not sensational, but juicy, approval ratings of president joe biden and vice president kamala harris, 69% and 65% respectively, but many black voters, especially those younger, are not so excited about joe biden running for election. it is an interesting narrative when you think about someone who has a relatively high opinion but the question is this the person to move forward. host: i was going to ask you

what you thought might be behind the numbers in terms of the younger lack men in the survey -- black men in the survey for the approval of joe biden was less than the overall numbers you found. caller: it is an interesting question. i would also link that, in this is now me making the link and i am speaking for myself, but looking at the higher number of black men who voted for donald trump. when you look at his reelection campaign, you see that donald trump did shockingly well among black men and younger male black voters and the question comes back to the y. -- why. i think there are black voters

who say joe biden is fine but they are not thrilled with him and they are looking for a different person. the prospect of donald trump running again is playing into that. younger voters are finding it harder, particularly as the right continues to challenge joe biden's legitimacy of the president, but now it is that he is somehow sneaking into senility that is being hidden from us. there are lots of things mixed up in that, as well as legitimate concerns about his fitness for the job. at the same time, i think younger voters are saying, wait a minute, this guy is going to be fairly old relative to our experience. i have a teenager and a

21-year-old who think i am old. so imagine someone my age running for reelection. it is something people are skeptical about. host: i wonder if that number of lack of support is a broad number across that age group regardless of race. caller: i think that is right. the poll didn't speak to that particular question, but looking at other data, you are entirely right and younger people tend to think that someone in their late 70's running for president might be unreasonable. and the children may have a point. among black voters, it is complicated and interesting because joe biden has a higher rating among black voters than the overall public. at the same time, there are a chunk of young black voters that

are enamored by the idea of trump, which i find bizarre but the data airs out that is the out that it is the case. host: marc lamont hill is with us. he is media studies professor at temple university in philadelphia. we welcome your comments at (202) 748-8001 four republican -- for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. and for independents and everyone else, (202) 748-8002. you touched on the environment, climate justice. are there other issues that posters get wrong about the black community that they care very -- pollsters get wrong about the black community that they carrier very much -- they care very much about? guest: abortion.

abortion is framed as a political debate between the white men. we are talking about the media narrative. the fact that we are not just deeply affected by justice over reproductive rights, but they are deeply invested in the conversation is something people often miss. again, it makes sense. the economy makes sense. gas make sense. abortion access, 64% of black voters say abortion access was important to them. among democrats it was 68%. that is a significant number! i mentioned climate change. that is 52%. these are issues people do not think affected black voters. when you begin to deny abortion access, it is going to

disproportionately affect the most vulnerable people. black people are disproportionately vulnerable when it comes to socioeconomic status, access to health care. when you add the actual presence of racism in the country, the treatment in mental facilities, the kind of treatment they get, particularly black women, is stunningly bad, and the data confirms this. it is not shocking that black people would care about abortion access, but somehow we are left out of the debate so often. host: early figures say that early voting is way up in many states across the country. which of the couple of key races do you think the turnout in the black community is most important for democrats? caller: guest: georgia -- guest: georgia and pennsylvania. in georgia it is incredibly important right now. stacey abrams is behind.

we have that race. for the gubernatorial race. we have warnock-walker which is the senate race that has gotten so much national attention. if democrats want to see a victory at the senate level, they are going to have to seek a victory or a statistical dead heat at the governor level. it seems impossible to me to imagine that droves of voters are coming out to pull the lever for kemp, but will also vote for rafael warnock. host: you do not buy into the whole split ticket thing? guest: not in georgia. with federman and oz, sure. the problem is someone has decided -- if someone has

decided to vote for herschel walker, they have made some political commitments. they have decided his personal fitness for the job, or his personal issues that may contradict his politics -- everyone has them -- are an issue. they are very pragmatic voters. " we do not care if he contradicts what he says are his values. senate control is critical. we went to make sure roe v. wade is not the law of the land." they're coming out in very principled fashion. because state control of so many of these issues is critical right now, they are coming out to vote for the governorship. it seems implausible to me that that kind of person voting for herschel walker is voting for stacey abrams or vice versa. that is not to say that no voters will split the ticket.

certainly, walker has not done anything particularly problematic -- kemp has not done anything particularly problematic, and he is the incumbent. people are waiting for a reason not to have to vote for herschel walker. shockingly, when you look at the debate i would argue that warnock won. when someone comes in as a heavy underdog and perform moderately well, it looks a lot better than it otherwise would. what we may end up with if voter turnout is not big, not only a kemp victory, which numbers seem to be supporting right now, but also a herschel walker victory, which for me would be

remarkable. of course, and pennsylvania we are seeing -- in pennsylvania, we are seeing a fascinating race . i think there are people who would vote oz but also vote democrat -- host: for governor. guest: yeah, for governor. host: for shapiro. guest: josh schapiro is a favorite. he is a state during neural elsewhere -- state general elsewhere. i have known him for decades. i i'm aware of his connections to people, not only in pennsylvania. in pennsylvania you really need to have relationships across the street, not only in pittsburgh, but the red part of the blue state. that is a challenge. i think he can pull off.

oz has been getting destroyed on social media. he is getting criticized. the right tends to be more pragmatic about who they vote for. i'm just not sure they are as devoted, as zealous as georgia and some other southern states are. host: our lines are (202) 748-8001 for republicans. for democrats, (202) 748-8000. for independents and others, (202) 748-8002. marc lamont hill's new show premieres this week. first let's go to caroline. caller: my concern is that the scandals that have been going on against rafael warnock and herschel walker have to me been

ongoing for black males, so i do not see that to be so different. i do not see the president -- i don't care which one -- as being the divided party. i see the parties being divided, democrat and republican parties are divided. they do not like the ideas of each other. i see states being divided. i see races being divided and ideas. i also see that the black race may pull more on one side, making it seem more divided, even though they may not be divided. we all voted like. i do not think the presidents are the one dividing the country. i wish we could say that and ask, " how are we divided?"

could you elaborate on that, please? guest: sure. thank you for your thoughts. i think you are right that the country is deeply divided and, we have always been deeply divided. if you in october -- i'm sorry, in may we were commemorating the rodney king verdict. the year before that, we were acknowledging the anniversary of the beating in the south, 30 years. i cannot believe how fast time has gone. we could say the same thing for the oj verdict. america had very different ideas about who is guilty, who was innocent, who to trust, who not to trust, whether there was racism or not. in the brett kavanaugh hearing, we saw deep divides, not just

along partisan lines but along gender lines about the allegations against brett kavanaugh. we could look at a variety of issues and see deep divides in this country. they do not start and end with the white house. i think that is true. the tensions are bound up in the contradictions of living in a country that protects capital, living in a country that is patriarchal, living in a country that is racist. these are all things that produce certain kinds of divides and tensions. we have a huge divide in this country between the have-gots and the have-nots. those divides and divisions were expanded and the tensions were stoked in two moments. the first moment i would say was in 2008 when barack obama was

elected. we saw membership in the klan expand. we saw discourse becoming mainstreamed in ways we had not heard in years. it became almost natural to have these conversations. there was a response. he brings up a response to this obama moment. then from the moment obama is president, you have donald trump yelling from the political cheap seats on twitter -- those seats aren't cheap anymore, we have found out recently. he is saying, " obama is not american." all of this stuff is not just

entire black and xenophobic when you look at the narrative underneath, all of this stuff is coming from trump, who is not president. then trump becomes president. on the way to becoming president, we hear him talk about judges who are unfit to be objective because they are mexican. we hear about potential rapists and thieves from mexico crossing the border. we here in charlottesville after he becomes president about there being good people on both sides. we hear the kind of anti-semitic subtext and implications of much of his critiques of certain folks in the obama administration and the treasury. we see him standing next to people who are white nationalists. we see him standing next to people who are anti-black, anti-semitic, etc.

it is in that context that i would say the white house and the president certainly have not made things worse. they did not create racism. they certainly expanded on them and normalized them and naturalized them. as we look, across the state races many are not voting their issues, they are not voting their interests, they are voting their fears, they are voting their vices. host: let's hear from rufino in omaha, nebraska. guest: i will answer faster, i'm sorry! host: go ahead, rufino. caller: i am glad you brought up the issue of immigration, because i do not hear it as much, but in the past i heard that these people were taking jobs from black people, which i

thought was insulting to black society who have been there for generations. why should they take up the lower-level jobs when you are already well established here? the issue to keep blacks and new immigrants against each other. i don't know if your survey touched on that are not, but most of them came here due to persecution in their countries. that is why we have the asylum laws. i was an immigration lawyer in the past. we are following the rule of law with immigrants when they are coming here. it is not anything new. i guess i would just add one more thing. i talked to some ice agents, and they cannot sanction their employers because there is so much red tape to get past, but i

guess my main question is what do you think about how that issue is used to divide? host: thank you. guest: in the poll, we asked to black voters what issues were important to them. 70%, gun violence. immigration was 38% among black voters. the majority of black voters did not list immigration as very important to them. it didn't mean that it did not matter to them, but the " very important" box was not checked. for democrats that number is steady. it is 76%. for black republican voters, it is 45%, which is not surprising. the kind of moral panic ands

crises that are talked about around immigration -- " they are coming here, stealing our jobs, killing people" -- i'm not sure that is how black voters are talking about it. the polls what suggested that is not the most important thing to have a vote. that is important to note. i think you are right that the idea that brown people are taking black people's jobs, wherever they are coming from whether they are coming from the southern border -- and often times when we talk about immigration we are talking about mexico. but if we think about south asians, people coming from prior to the muslim ban, people coming from the geographic and

political middle east. we think about all these places. the idea that these people are taking our jobs is a divisive tool used to encourage voters to fight immigration, to not allow people to get asylum, do not support the dreamers, to not welcome undocumented folks, etc. the truth is while we are fighting over that 1/8 of the pie, there is a person, and by person i do not mean a literal person, i mean oligarchs, i mean wealthy people, who have 7/8 of the pie, and they are pointing at the black man or black woman who has one slice of pie, and saying " that mexican wants your pie." what would it mean for everyone

to have a living wage? what would it mean for everyone to have access to health care, food, clothing and shelter? immigration from countries would not be the kind of economic crisis, or the perceived economic crisis, that it is purported to be. host: marc lamont hill, host of bet news, author of seven bucks and his new program debuts on monday --seven books and his new program debuts on monday night. caller: do you use your platform to educate the black voter? the southern strategy -- i was born in the 1960's. my parents were republicans up until that movement of the

right-wing groups, hate groups migrating to the republican party away from the democratic party. and then they began to vote democrat. a lot of people, especially the young voters, do not understand the republicans push that the democrats started the kkk. that is true. in the late 60's and 70's, those hate groups migrated, -- far-right groups migrated to the republican party, and that is where they remain today. that is why you see the confederate flag, swastikas and stuff at republican rallies. you do not see that at democratic rallies. a lot of young voters, they get

taken in by saying " the democrats started the kkk," end they do not want to vote democrat. host: markel -- marc hill. guest: i think steve is educating the audience! appealing to racism as a means of recruiting voters is very much part of the republican strategy in the 1950's and 60's. i think that the formation of the republican party, the democratic party over the last 3 years has demonstrated a radical shift in ideology. republicans are the party of lincoln is historically accurate, but it is hard to imagine their political agendas aligning today with anything that is abolition. similarly, the ku klux klan was started by democrats, but those

democrats are not the same democrats we see today. i am neither a democrat or a republican. i i'm not saying this to endorse or defend one party or another. in all parties -- it would be dishonest to pretend that the current republican party not overrepresented by racists. when you find people who have extreme views against black people, extreme views against trans folk, extreme folk against jewish brothers and sisters, extreme views against -- extreme views against jewish brothers and sisters, extreme views against muslims, they tend to be in the republican party, or at least devoting that way. that is a conversation -- at least voting that way.

that is a conversation we should be honest about. host: concerns over issues facing male black voters -- he wrote in that piece " for progressives the choicseems binary, ike night and day. they cannot conceive of a reality in which voters become pessimistic about the entire process, others casting protest votes. i do not think it registers with voters. kind of reflecting some of the findings you found with the approval rating of joe biden. guest: there is a level of disaffection here that is fascinating. i would hasten to add that it does not mean we are disaffected from the process. 51% of black voters, according to our poll, say they are more

motivated to vote this election cycle. when you skew age wise, it matters. one in five black voters is under the age of 30. 36% of black voters are between 30 and 49 years old. one fourth of black voters, 26%, are between 50 and 64. the last 18% are 65 and older. when you look at these different pockets of black voters, the youngest of the bunch, the under 30 crowd makes up 20%. those are the people charles is talking about most specifically in terms of the level of disaffection. across-the-board, black voters in many ways are frustrated with the process. they're frustrated with the lack of progress. there frustrated with the

obstruction tactics that happen. they're tired of the political games. they want to see material impact in their lives, and that is increasingly challenging in terms of black men in particular. charles mentioned black men. black voters are disproportionately women. 57% of black voters are women. what is it about this process that makes lachman feel that this is something not worth doing --black men feel that this is something not worth doing? black men are active and engaged in our communities, and there are other ways to engage and fight for change other than voting in partisan politics, but it is part of the process. we have to ask those questions. i think there are moments where we get energized by candidates. host: let's see if we can get a

couple more colors here. catherine -- callers here. catherine is in michigan. caller: hello, mr. hill. i have a lot of things going through my head right now i would like to discuss with you. i do not know how we got to where we are right now with the racism. i grew up in the 60's. i went to a school that was 50-50. we did not start having racism as we would call it today until people from the south started coming up to michigan. they had attitudes. they would riot and do all kinds of things. host: are you talking about black people in particular coming up from the south? caller: yes, black people coming

up from the south. some people were on abc, but back then it wasn't a lifestyle. it was to help them to get up a little bit until they got jobs. we had lots of industry where i grew up, so there were jobs available. we didn't have the attitude that i see now today. host: we only have a few movemen -- minutes left. guest: i respect that racism existed before black people showed up. when we look at the great migration patterns and such, when we saw black people come up to the north and the midwest and white people immediately left, white flight that happened because of pre-existing racial attitudes.

i heard the color start to talk about welfare -- caller start to talk about welfare. i'm not sure i fully heard her point, but if i understood her correctly, i would push back and say part of why people have intergenerational dependency on the state and on public assistance is because of the state of the economy. increasingly, a smaller number of people have more and more of the wealth. it becomes difficult to get a living wage job. that is something we have to think about. finally, we tend to think about poverty and welfare and to be in need of any sort as a black thing, when it is a fundamentally american thing. host: here is atlanta georgia,

maria on the democrats' line. caller: good morning. i heard you stated about joe biden, some people talk about his age. i promise you i voted for joe biden faster than i voted for obama. i would not even vote if i had to vote for a republican. in 2022, i can truly say we -- have a good day. host: some final thoughts on her comments or others? guest: her comments are reflecting some very important points. people are deeply divided on partisan politics. this space to say " i agree with this candidate on these things and not these other things, so i

may give them a shot" those days are increasingly shrinking, and i am not lamenting some past that never was. i am saying it makes sense. i cannot imagine someone with liberal or progressive or radical values that could find a republican candidate of this generation that makes a lot of sense for them. i am speaking specifically about black voters. democrats may lean towards the middle or right. four black voters, so much of the -- for black voters, so much of the discourse has been not only against our values, but against our very selves. it would be almost a moral atrocity to choose that side. she referenced the willie lynch letter to talk about how some

black folk are operating against each other, there is this infighting that has been bred through white supremacy. many people might point to the herschel walker candidacy. you have a bl who ran very much on a campaign of saying, " i am not like those other black people," and with moral condemnation of the black community. in an interview he did in august with diamond and silk, the former black news -- fox news black people, and he he had multiple children who, according to the reports, he has not seen or cared for or even publicly acknowledged and he is against abortion because he supports typical values and there are allegations that he has paid for them. that is the kind of stuff that makes you say ok, do you want to

change the country or do you just want to be the one black person in charge? host: about 30 seconds here. tell us about some of the notable things about the first week on monday. guest: the first week starts on monday. we are going to have a variety of people from the entertainment side. the alabama prison strike. henry efforts in haiti. -- recovery efforts in haiti. be prepared for the midterm elections. host: the show debuts monday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. thanks her being on the program this morning. guest: my pleasure. host: that will do it for us on this sunday version of "washington journal."

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