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families can get -- to be ready for anything. comcast support c-span as a public servant along with these television providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> today's final hearing of the january 6 committee. if you're unsure, pick out one of those lines that reflects your view at this point and tell us why. if you say yes. (202) 748-8001, no, the work of the committee has not been effective. here's politico and their headline. january 6 committee prepares to deliver judgment on donald trump. the january 6 committee is preparing to unveil its most comprehensive case yet, that donald trump attempted to subvert the transfer of presidential power to joe biden, first by pressuring allies at every level of government and then with the aid of a violent mob. the panel plans to release the
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first components of its final report monday following an 18 month probe that featured explosive depositions from members of trump's west wing, battles that reach the supreme court, and access to some of the most sensitive papers held by trump's white house. political rights that the panel has long contended that trump broke the law and the service of his bid to get a second term despite losing the 2020 election. the new report is expected to add new details on that effort, particularly about enablers who facilitated trump's gambit, from republican members of congress to a team of lawyers pushing french theories to shadowy operatives with conspiracy theories. they also plan to adopt the conclusion that trump violated the criminal insurrection stature by providing aid and comfort to the mob that stormed the capital on january 6, 2021. (202) 748-8000 is the line to
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call if you say the work of the committee has been effective. (202) 748-8001 is the "no" line. let's hear from adam schiff on his views. [video clip] >> do you think the evidence is there that donald trump committed the crimes mentioned and that the cases are prosecutable, that you could get a conviction? >> i think the evidence is there that donald trump committed criminal offenses in connection with efforts to overturn the election. viewing it as a former prosecutor, i think there is sufficient evidence to charge the president. i do not know what the justice department has. i know what is in the public record. the evidence seems plain to me. host: from the state -- from state of the union, adam schiff yesterday. our coverage of what we expect will be the final hearing of the genuine six committee is coming
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up this afternoon at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we will have that live for you here on c-span and online at c-span.org and on our c-span now mobile app. let's go to your calls. to pennsylvania. patrick says the work of the committee has not been effective. caller: not only has it not been effective, but if you look at the evidence now showing definitively that not only was there direct interference from the national security state via twitter, which is weaponize with the fbi, most likely with the cia, you're looking at a situation that is becoming so profoundly damming -- damning and the media is trying to characterize that there was no fraud in the election when i did a search and found 1003 hundred 50 verified cases of fraud, --
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1350 verified cases of fraud. this new reality with twitter and the fact that the fbi was massively indebted in the social media oligarchy, which was weaponized against the american people and directly interfering with the election process, so the weaponize asian of the january 6 committee could not be more blatant. you have almost no republicans. you have republicans that are now shopping for gigs on msnbc and cnn. all i have to say is thank god for elon musk, who stood up here and he has put his life on the line and career on the line and is standing up for the constitution and bill of rights. he is literally the only leading corporate actor to stand up for
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the united states. he deserves the highest award of this nation. host: let's go to jerry and detroit. has the work of the january 6 committee been effective? caller: before i begin my answer, what patrick just told you are a load of lies concerning january 6, and he knows it. absolutely they have been more than effective. i would like to address, if i may, if you allow me, some of the wild conspiracy theories surrounding january 6. the lie that the capitol police let the rioters in, that trump -- that nancy pelosi turned it down and the lie that those were not from supporters. they were members of antifa, government agents. all of that is nothing more than
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conspiracy theories. any republican calling on the republican line who says otherwise is lying through their teeth. they are doing it to protect and coddle donald trump. host: in terms of the committee being effective, tell us why. is it the likely resulting recommendations for prosecutions that we are expecting out of the hearing? caller: i think they have done a lot of good. it exposes donald trump and his supporters, the proud boys and oath keepers, for who they are. there will be people calling on the republican line who will blame anyone and everyone but donald trump for what happened. you are going to be hearing a lot of that, plus the lie that the democrats staged it. why would the democrats do that to one of their own? this is nothing more than conspiracy theories and you are
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going to hear a lot of it from the archie bunkers on the republican line. host: jerry mentioned the trial of the proud boys getting underway in washington. some comments on twitter and via text. this is a capitol hill report or sink january 6 committee is back . the committee is getting ready to issue a final report. effective at spending taxpayer money. it was a waste of time. this was an example of bipartisanship and worthy of the third reich and soviets. it has tons of evidence to support charges against trump, so very effective. let's see if justice comes to d.c. for a brief visit. paul in kentucky, good morning. caller: what comes around, goes
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around. you have one of the most corrupt human beings that live to the white house now. you people are going to be sorry for this which trial. this is the way stalin and hitler's did trials, the very same way. if they got rid of the second amendment, they would start concentration camps up for republicans. the only reason they cannot is because they are too chicken and we have guns. host: next is linda in mississippi. good morning. caller: i think the committee has made their point. this report today would be a closing part of it. the guy that spoke in front of me, that is the mentality of that trump base. he loves them.
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uneducated and cold minded. -- cult minded. he tells them he is guilty but they would rather believe it conspiracy theory than that he is doing what he is doing. the most corrupt president is in office right now. he must have forgot that trump is already left office. that was the most corrupt, incompetent them and crooked president we have ever had. we have had some bad ones, but he takes the cake. thank you. host: let's hear from jack in georgia. he says, it has not been effective. caller: good morning. thank you for doing what you all do. merry christmas. i think that the people who
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actually attacked on january 6 are the people who need to be held accountable. i think the committee itself has done their job doing that. donald trump -- i do not think he had any orchestrating that to happen. i think he runs his mouth too much. but as far as taking charges against him, i think the committee needs to focus on the people who were physically there. and i think they should be held accountable for their actions by all means. that was a disgrace to our nation. i am a republican, but then people were not republicans. to me, they are american terrorists, but by trying to concentrate on donald trump i
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think, like i said, his mouth overloaded his behind. i do not think he physically or had any planning on doing that. i do not believe that in my heart. host: on the committee itself, do you think the former president has been effective in his own statements and speeches in diminishing the work of the january 6 committee? caller: i think that he should have chose his words very lightly. when you have a crowd of people out there that are angry. by him saying the things he did, he should have not. he did not say to attack, but he should have -- it is treading a fine line, is what i am saying. he should have stood out there and told the people to demonstrate peacefully but, like i said, his mouth overloads his
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-- the backside of his body. host: appreciate your call this morning. this is from the washington post , reporting on the january 6 committee. the committee could vote on referring trump for criminal charges. the house select committee investigating january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol is set to vote to refer terminal charges against a former president to the justice department for the first time in american history monday. including an examination of the insurrection that shook the country's free and fair election system. criminal and civil referrals will precede the release of a final report compiled by the committee that will tell the most comprehensive story to date of events leading to the attack and donald trump's role in fomenting it. the committee is expected to vote on referring trump for three charges, obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, conspiracy to defraud the united states, and insurrection.
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politico first reported the charges will be considered by the panel. david says yes in fort worth, texas. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with the caller before who just went on. i think it has been effective. i think he has been given the benefit of doubt for too long. he has totally divided this country and taken the presidency and used it as a tool to inflame hate. i think you should go to jail. i think you should be indicted and go to jail. he also needs to be looked at for possibly being a russian agent because who knows what he had going on with putin? nobody knows.
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there is something funny about that guy. i do not know what it is, but he scares me, him and all his followers, because they are all heaters and it is scary -- haters and it is scary. he should be made an example of. host: if the referrals are turned into an indictment, do you think the department of justice will take those referrals and turn them into indictments against the former president? caller: i think they should. it would be the right thing to do. it is funny how he is for law enforcement until his goons show up and beat up law enforcement. if those were black people that done that, we would all be dead half of us anyway. the rest of us will be looking at life sentences. it is crazy how he gets away
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with so much and his followers. host: here's the washington times. january 6 panel to ready criminal referrals for attack on u.s. capitol. they write about others who could face come no referrals. in our former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, attorneys who guided mr. trump and efforts to overturn the election, rudolph giuliani john eastman, and jeffrey clark advised the former president on claims that the election was stolen from him, which preceded the attack on the capital. each of them could also be subject to a criminal referral by the committee. given mr. trump's support base and 22 for candidacy, a referral against the former president would put attorney general merrick garland in a tough spot. my guess is he would have no hesitation going after someone like mark meadows, but i do not know whether he would go after trump and go to prosecute him,
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said democratic strategist fred brannon -- brad bannon. there is no legal strategy -- president -- precedent for going after a former president. we showed you part of the comments earlier from adam schiff. the intelligence committee chair saying he believes there is enough to warrant referral for indictment. here are the full comments. >> -- [video clip] >> do you think evidence is there that donald trump committed the crimes i mentioned and that cases are prosecutable? >> i think the evidence is there that donald trump committed criminal offenses in connection with his efforts to overturn the election. viewing it as a former prosecutor, i think there's sufficient evidence to charge the president. >> to get a conviction? >> i do not know what the justice department has. i know what is in the public
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record. the evidence seems plain to me, but i would want to see the full body of evidence to make a decision. this is someone who in multiple ways tried to pressure state officials to find votes that did not exist. this is someone who try to interfere with a joint session, even inciting a mob to attack the capital. if that is not criminal, i do not know what is. >> so you will vote yes on referring insurrection, obstruction of an official proceeding, and conspiracy to defraud the federal government? >> i cannot comment on what referrals we will make. we will have a vote on referrals. as well as approving our overall report. i can tell you are process has been to look meticulously at the evidence and compare it to statutes. if there is sufficient evidence as to each element of a crime, we are not referring -- we will
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not be voting to refer everyone we think there may be evidence because we want to focus on those for which we believe there is the strongest evidence. >> i know you cannot speak for the whole committee, but i'm speaking of how you personally will vote. >> i'm happy to share my personal views. >> do you think he committed insurrection and conspiracy to defraud the federal government? >> i do not want to telegraph what we are considering. host: steve on twitter says this. i am waiting for the final report and two dozen doj referrals, including putin's man in washington, trump. this one says, i'm disappointed in america's loss of common sense. the committee has been effective in foisting a huge distraction forgiving cover to not doing the people's business. the january 6 committee has made
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-- was made irrelevant on day one when pelosi kicked the republican appointed members often appointed her own rinos to make sure her part with security failures would never be discussed. -- congress did a great job for the usa. at asking you, has the jan your six committee been effective? (202) 748-8000 is the line if you say yes. if you say no, the line is (202) 748-8001. george is on the line in circleville, ohio. caller: thanks for taking my call. merry christmas to you, the c-span family, and those who call in on the show to make it a great program. first, adam schiff is probably the most prominent prevaricate or just prevaricater i have
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seen. here's the guy who said he had all the proof to prove -- convict trump and never showed any proof. does this gentleman have any ethics? gentleman is a kind word, to say the least. look at all the democrats. i'm not a democrat or republican. i am independent. when i look at pelosi and what she has done to organize this and the democrats have a game plan. they want to keep republicans on the defensive so republicans cannot go on the offensive. because if he went on the offensive there would be so much dirt you could fill the grand canyon with all democrats have done. then i heard the caller talk about a previous caller but he mentioned that trump could be a russian agent. russia waited until biden was in office to go to ukraine. who got all the money from china and russia? hunter biden and the big guy got 10%, if not more.
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it just takes common sense. do we have common sense anymore? do these people just get news off the nightly news and are brainwashed? look at trump. he went through two impeachments for nothing. what they are trying to do is badger the sky to death. -- this guy to death. the cia did not like trump because he doubted their intelligence. look back to the kennedys. biden released some of the redacted statements but kept 2000 of those statements. why? because the cia and fbi had direct involvement. this has gone on for a long time. host: in terms of the results of the committee, if they come down with recommendations for prosecution, the former president's now 2024 run does this help or hurt his run for
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the presidency? caller: there will not be any prosecution. i guarantee that. i do not think trump will run. i guarantee you now there will not be prosecution. this hearing is to shut off the american people's voice. they want to hear the -- scare the public. if you talk against somebody, you might be the next trump. host: let's hear from chris in vermont. good morning. caller: i really appreciate this forum. there is no doubt this was a coup and insurrection. it was to block the counting of the electoral votes. it is evident. what is needed besides those that -- who have already gone to court is who did the planning of this?
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this did not happen overnight. there was a plan to get this done. it appears many members of congress were involved and those people are still in office. if that is the case, they are guilty of treason. the committee did bring up so many valuable points to people who were open-minded enough to listen, but there were other things that bothered me as far as capital security. i could not understand why the first floor windows were not bulletproof. what if this had been an attack from a foreign country? are we that vulnerable? is our capital that vulnerable? it brought out more questions than it did answers, but there is no doubt this was a planned coup. if you did not know better, you would have thought you were looking at something in a third world country. host: how much of the public hearings did you watch? caller: every single one.
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what i did not catch live, i went to c-span and caught the whole thing later in the evening. all of it. host: appreciate your call this morning. we will have live coverage today of what is expected to be the final public hearing of the select committee on the january 6 attack on the u.s. capital coming up at 1:00 easrn today. follow it live on c-span. we will have it on the free mobile app so you can take it wherever you are and streaming. a story over the weekend, gop shadow committee emerges for january 6 report. they write that house republicans are plotting to release their own 100 plus page rebuttal this week. republicans aim to cast the select committee report as partisan by contrasting the expected focus on president trump with their concentration on capital security. what we are hearing, we are
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prepared to release it when they release theirs, said a senior republican source. this shadow january 6 panels made of would be select committee members. the report will likely come in at over 100 pages. select committee report is expected to be around 1000 pages , as reported last month. next is greg in ohio. go ahead. caller: good morning. glad i turned on the brainwashing network this morning. if the founding fathers were still around, everyone of them on that panel and half the democrats and half the republicans would be put in front of the building and shot. this is crazy. host: a caller from wisconsin is dave on the yes line. tell us why.
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caller: i think it is very effective. i watched everyone of them. let's get something straight. this was not a trial. so you hear about it was such a unfair trial. it is not a trial. it is an investigation. if anybody bothered to watch, most of the witnesses and people they interviewed were all republicans or people inside the trump administration. they are under oath, so they could not lie. they could, but they would be committing perjury. i was a little disappointed about them not delving into the security part of it. maybe they will. we will see what happens today. but some of the people that are calling -- i can tell exactly where they get their news, but that is another thing.
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thanks for listening and happy holidays to everybody. host: liz from south carolina, go ahead. caller: it has not changed my mind a bit. i get my news from all sources, so the last caller -- it is always fox, fox, fox. i do not agree with the way those folks went in, broke windows, and a lot of things they have done, but with this voting system that has been brought to our nation now where dead people have voted -- they act like they are so suppressed to vote. they will come pick you up in a limousine now to get you to vote. with what this poor president is doing and lying to our people,
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telling people he will pay for their college loans? all along, we know it is a sham. it is a lie. everybody should be marching in the streets. what he is doing and allowing all these poor folks coming in from mexico -- we have homeless here. there are people on lists, 1000 names waiting for homes, for apartments. this bozo is sitting up there and lying to the american people . trump was not perfect, but wake up. what is going on in our country? it is not fox news's fault. host: to sharon in queens, new york. caller: i do think this committee was effective. i cannot believe this nightmare that has been created.
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i feel the rules for the president should be changed since we see the conduct that for president trump was performing. i really believe it is time for people to get together and change the laws because this is a nightmare. i pray to god this united states gets settled and is a fair united states, no matter who is winning. host: here is the new york times about the proud boys trial getting underway, such to open, focusing on the role in the january 6 violence, writing on the morning of january 6, 2021, as proud boys were getting ready to take their place in a pro-trump mob outside the capital, a leader of a far-right groups in a message to his
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colleagues, i want to see thousands of armies -- normies burned the city to ash. the notion that the proud boys wanted to provoke violence in the normal people in the crowd rests at the heart of the case. at the trial, which begins with jury selection monday, prosecutors intend to argue that the defendants turned the mob into a weapon on january 6 and pointed it at the capital, where lawmakers had gathered to certify results of the 2020 election. according to court papers and pretrial hearings. it was part of a plot, the government will say, to stop the lawful transfer of power and ensure that president trump remained in office. our opening question this morning, has the work of the january 6 committee then effective? if you say yes, that line is (202) 748-8000. if your answer is no, it is
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(202) 748-8001. explain yourself. tell us why and what you expect out of the committee today and going forward. anthony is in arkansas. caller: i was hoping they would look into who did what when, why policeman were waving people in. i have seen all this video of people waving -- police waving people up the stairs, pointing which direction to go. why did we not hear from those people? if it was effective, it was effective at showing the bias that went into making the committee. and any committee that looks at one day, that takes all year to try to get something done -- it shows the efficiency of
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washington. there are thousands of minutes of tape, videophones, and so on, that could have been used to show who was where and who let who in, far beyond what we saw live on television. who is this fellow? he is up there saying we have to storm the capital and the people around him point and say he is a fed or something. i could not hear it clearly, but they did not go along with this fellow. host: our caller making allegations about the capitol police. here's an opinion piece in the new york times this morning on the morning of the final hearing of the january 6 committee. the headline is, i still feel the pain of the capitol riot. officer carolyn edwards writes, for me this story cannot end
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overnight because the rite itself was an attack not just on a central american's two shins but also the people who live and serve to protect it. i was at the capital during the riot. i stood shoulder to shoulder with my colleagues fighting to protect the capital and people who work there. even now, i can barely talk about it. very few capitol police officers can. she writes about her experience and says, recently i gave a speech in which i talked about the strength beyond measure i see in the small moments and everyday deeds of my fellow police officers. i see it in the way they put flowers on the memorials of their fallen comrades and continue to show up for one another. i see it in their laughter in the hallways and during roll call on the way they train for the next generation of their peers how to do the job and teach them the lessons we had to learn the hard way on january 6. i see the strength in the way officers are carrying on.
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i get my strength from them. any time i'm tempered to worry but the future i remind myself these people made sure i went home alive that day. if they had to, they would again. the trauma kicked off by the capitol riot is still with us. has the january 6 -- has the work of the january 6 committee been effective? here's what folks are saying on our twitter poll. 55% say it has not been effective. a little over 45% say it has been effective. in louisiana, good morning to james. caller: good morning. happy holidays. merry christmas. i want to thank you guys for having this open forum, but this is the first time i want to criticize you guys. your question is untimely.
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the purpose of this committee was to investigate and report. they investigated and they have not issued a report yet. so how can any of us say whether it has been effective since we have not heard the results of the report? i have watched almost every committee televised hearing and it is almost obvious that they have done a good job, very thorough, and we do not know who and what they will say about who did what, so all these people coming in and saying this, that, and the other, they must know more than the committee does. host: you make a good point in terms of the ultimate
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conclusions of the committee, but you also point out we are interested in have they been effective through the process. the dozen or so public hearings, who they have called up, and how they have helped define what has happened at the attack of the capital january 6. in long island, dennis is calling on the no line. we lost dennis. we will go to jane in brooklyn. caller: good morning. i cannot believe some of the calling, but not shocked. the fish always stinks from the head. trump is the reason why we are here. as far as the question, of course it is effective. look at the arrests that we have. one caller says they do not know anything about this and that. arrests. look how many people have been
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arrested, 900, proud boys, whatever it is. they have to stop the nonsense. the january 6 committee is doing a fantastic job. there are cops, there were law enforcement, all kinds of people from all over our country who were bringing people in or trying to overturn our government. we need to knock it off, enjoy the show today, find out more about what is happening. america first. it is the holidays. we need to come together and stop this stuff. thanks for having your show. i appreciate it. host: glad you called in. this is from foxnews. el paso declares state of emergency as u.s.-mexico border crossings surge.
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not safe. the mayor announced a state emergency saturday. yesterday, the former acting homeland security secretary talked about the biden administration approach to border security. >> the president has done the work. do you buy that? >> i do not. i do not think anyone does. point to one thing you have done over the last 23 months that has tried to end this crisis and make it better. they tore down a number of successful policies as they came into office 23 months ago. they have put nothing in his place. we talk about title 42. that is bad, but only in the context that this administration had 23 months to put together a number of plans and policies that would take its place. they have done none of that, so it is bad but only bad because the biden administration refuses to take an enforcement posture to send a signal to the cartels and traffickers that there will
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be a new sheriff in town and we will not have the same policies as the last 23 months. we all know this is what they planned on and we are seeing that. we will probably continue to see that into 2023. host: greg is in richmond, virginia. caller: i'm going to say the investigation is a sham. that is obvious because they picked who was on the committee. the republicans try to put a couple guys on and they said we will tell you who we will put on. that is not how you run an investigation. second, if this was an insurrection, which is supposed to be a transfer of power, of stealing the power of government , they did not have any arms on them. no one was arrested for arms violations. how could they possibly overtake the government.
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if it was this big insurrection that they are portraying it to be? -- it to be, where was the fbi? where was homeland security? all the billions of dollars we spent on intelligence and information and nobody saw this coming? a takeover of our government and all these people being paid, these fancy fbi suit wearing people doing all their investigating, collecting millions, and nobody saw this coming? how can this be a valid investigation? thank you. >> next is north carolina, larry. caller: i feel it was effective in some of the members losing their seats in the recent elections and that is how the american people feel.
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this has been a one-sided scenario and a set scenario. it should not have happened. i think it was built up from even before trump was inaugurated. the democrats put a full sham scenario with that russian scenario in front of the american people and it has turned out to be a big lie headed by the gentleman you had on earlier, adam schiff. i cannot listen to him and believe anything that you all talk about in his scenario because he is a liar. host: do you think there was any organization behind the attack on the capital? caller: i believe there were forces that -- the left seems to want to deny that antifa exists. the right was to deny that the
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proud boys exist? -- exist. and the oath keepers. i think -- host: but antifa was not part of that riot at the capital. caller: how do we know? host: the proud boys are going to trial today and the oath keepers had a trial as well. caller: how do we know? how do we know that antifa was not involved in some way? as the gentleman said earlier, this is an extremely one-sided scenario that unfortunately everything will not come out until years on the line. host: to david on long island, good morning. caller: good morning. i believe it was ineffective. it was not fair. there was no cross examinations. most of the people on the committees he trump. they are very biased against trump. they are always looking to stop
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him from reelection. this whole thing is really just a scam and a lot of people calling in that believe this was effective, they do not understand what is really going on. they do not have an interest in looking at the facts. they just believe donald trump is guilty. there were fbi agents in the white house dressed as trump supporters. it is a fact. they let people into the white house and let them run amok. that is not how you provide security for the president or politicians. you do not provide security by letting in people. trump requested 10,000 troops to be there. they had reporters during the baltimore riots with the buildings burning saying this is peaceful. so these are the people that this information is coming from. host: to texas, miles, you are
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on the air. caller: you guys are unbelievable. was it effective? it had an effect on me. i watched it. a lot these people calling in are not watching it because it is not telling them what they want to hear. this is all trump's fault. they set the stuff up in july of 2000 because they knew they would lose. you're not watching it. everyone says it is one-sided. you're not watching it. they are taking tax and phone calls and have all kinds of stuff from these crooks. why don't they put republicans on there? there are two on and because of their careers. the others they wanted to put on were part of the conspiracy.
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this is a real conspiracy. if you were to watch, a light bob -- a lightbulb michael off. i would indict him on christmas day. host: that hearing is coming up today at 1:00 eastern. we will have live coverage on c-span. a related story in the wall street journal, georgia grand jury nears end to probe. a criminal investigation into former president trump efforts to overturn his defeat in georgia has had several high-profile witnesses appearing before a special grand jury that is nearing its end. all the panel in atlanta cannot issue indictments, the 23 citizens sitting on it are expected to write a report on their findings, which could include recommendations that indictment be brought.
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that process could extend into next year, they said. the democrat leading the investigation has failed in several court cases brought by trump allies who try to avoid testifying before the special grand jury. she is not expected to issue a subpoena to mr. trump for his testimony, a possibility she floated early in the year. michael flynn and senator lindsey graham oath appeared before the grand jury in the past month. rudy giuliani testified this summer. mr. trump's final chief of staff was ordered to testify by south carolina's highest court but has not done so. here's a call from port charlotte, florida. you're on the air. caller: since when in this country do we put protests -- the only one killed was the protester and we put the others
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that we have spent all this time rounding them up and putting them in prison or in jail -- what kind of country do we have? host: to bob calling from illinois on the gas line, you are on. caller: hello, c-span. the committee was very effective. however, to me, that is very small compared to when covid-19 was here and thousands died because trump wanted to make sure he got reelected. that is to me 10 times worse, the real act of cruelty, worse than january 6. i was thankful for governor cuomo to come on and bring his state down to before the vaccine
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and biden came in fighting covid-19. he came into bring that thing down but trump did not. that is so cruel. that is all i have to say. thank you, c-span. host: this is roll call. the genuine six panel could refer house members to ethics committee. -- january 6 panel could refer house members to ethics committee for ethics investigations since it wraps up the nearly 18 month investigation into the january 6, 2021 attack from the u.s. capitol. chairman bennie thompson told reporters the panel would consider how the ethics can many referral along with votes to approve the final report and send kernel referrals to the department of justice department and other entities, and all of those areas.
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the committee wrap up effectively comes too late to translate into congressional action as republicans prepare to retake control of the house in january. the final week of congress this week as they have a deadline friday to pass the omnibus spending measure. next, it is joe. caller: first time caller and i will try to stay focused. i will say listing to a few callers that we can see it is effective in the half-and-half situation. for me, it is not effective, but the caller from north carolina, his viewing of it made it seem so effective and it is news, that is for sure. it does not seem -- it was not effective for me from the beginning because of the restrictions they put on the one side.
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if you have a debate and want to get information out there and have the public see this, they restricted -- i know other people have called in with the same theme, that they restricted the republicans and nancy pelosi being off her involvement in this, but the one thing i want to say is i always question what the news has not brought up lately, that if the ted cruz agreeing to the statement by the republican house committee member who had a question about the arizona and questions the arizona electoral ballots, and then ted cruz as a senator -- i cannot find everything i would like to on that subject. i think that was the first time that ever happened. when that happens, i think that was coordinated may timewise if
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i could find the timeline with the breach of the buildings. that was a nancy pelosi created crisis to avert -- i think it was the first time ever that a senator had signed on because in 2000 with gore-bush and even trump where there was contention , no senator had ever agreed and had not moved forward the process and then the riot started. when they came back, it was a different situation and even the republicans and ted cruz i believe wanted to get through that. host: glad you got through as a first time caller here on washington journal. this is the lead story at thehill.com. january 6 panel dominates this week. we are joined by a congressional reporter with the hill to talk about the meeting today at 1:00
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p.m. eastern here and we are hearing about criminal referrals from the committee. how does that work? >> that is one of the biggest things we are expecting at the business meeting. they start at 1:00 p.m. these are recommendations for other bodies to pursue investigations and probe into specific accusations that members of the panel believe exist and believe should be prosecuted. so a couple things we are looking at, we could see referrals to the department of justice, which several outlets reported last week the committee will be referring former president trump for at least three criminal referrals to the department of justice. that is just a recommendation to the doj to say, this is the evidence we found that the president committed a crime. we think you should recommend that. this is a significant of element in this investigation by the genuine six committee. something to note is these criminal referrals are largely symbolic because the doj is in
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no way obligated to take up recommendations from correctional committees and we also remember the department of justice is conducting its own simultaneous but separate investigation. while these criminal referrals and other referrals are to the house ethics committee for republican lawmakers who do not respond to subpoenas, they are important but they are largely symbolic. host: are we expecting any last-minute testimony? guest: it is possible. chairman bennie thompson said there could be new information the public has not yet seen presented at the business meeting. this is the first public presentation from the committee since we last saw them in october. that was when we saw them take a remarkable step in voting to subpoena donald trump. since then, there has been a lot of time and the committee has continued the investigation behind the scenes, bringing in new witnesses who have given new
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testimony, so i think it is possible that we will see new information presented. host: i just read a story about chairman thompson indicating there could be possible ethics committee referrals as well. what do you know of that? caller: -- guest: adam schiff told cnn yesterday we will see more information on this line of questioning today. back last year, there were a bunch of republican lawmakers who received subpoenas from the january 6 committee, including minority leader kevin mccarthy, but they never responded to these subpoenas or acted on the request for documentation and testimony, so the question around washington was, what will happen to those five lawmakers who did not respond to subpoenas? one avenue the committee could go down is referring them to the house ethics committee, keeping this issue within the capital
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and not sending it to another agency but just sending it to a congressional committee. that is a possibility that is on the table. adam schiff said yesterday that is one of the avenues they were looking at to deal with the five lawmakers. we will find out what happens today. host: the ethics committee would be one of the few committees that still would be bipartisan going into the republican dominated house. guest: that is an interesting prospect here to see if the committee will want to further look into these allegations. it will be within a republican majority in the house, which could set up roadblocks in terms of the entire climate within the capital for the ethics committee, but it would be a significant step, these five lawmakers got one of whom is running for speaker and could be speaker the next congress cannot be referred to the ethics committee for such a public thing and when i say public i mean in the public spotlight and known to the american people and
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very prevalent through the capital. it would be a remarkable step. host: the final report is going to be issued. we hear could ba.1 thousand page report. will this be a report that sits on a dusty shelf somewhere or does the committee have further publication plans? guest: the report is set to come out wednesday. chairman thompson told us last week -- things are moving quickly, but it will likely be sent out as a link with a press release and the public will gain access to the report. the basics of what we know, it will have a summary, each chapters, and other attachments. that is with the chairman told us. it is also likely the report will include several things we already heard through -- today will be the 10th public presentation from the committee. the report will finally become public, of able to the public
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wednesday, and a select committee has said at the end of the business meeting there will be a preview of the summary, so we will begin to see the massive body of work the committee has been working on. in terms of length, we asked the chairman last week. he will not budge. in terms of length, we will have to wait and see how many pages we will be shifting through. -- sifting through. host: follow her coverage of this and other >> we take you to capitol hill for the january -- the final january 6 committee meeting. they will refer the case reportedly to the justice department.
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there will be a preview of the final report expected to be released wednesday including hundreds of pages of finding about findings about the attack, drawing on what the committee learn through its interview with more than 1000 witnesses. some of those witnesses who testified in public of the course of the committees year and a half long in best occasion -- investigation. if you missed the previous hearings or would like to watch them again, visit our website date -- her webpage www.c-span.org/january 6. it will get underway in about 15 minutes, 1:00 p.m. eastern time stuff you are watching live gavel-to-gavel coverage here on c-span.
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>> we are getting a look inside the cannon house office building as we await the members of the january 6 committee to hold their final meeting. the last time they met was in
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october. our coverage and all c-span programs are brought to you as a look service by these television providers including altese, wow, sparklight and charter communications. we expect committee members to enter the room and five and its or so when you can find complete coverage on c-span but if you need to step away from your television, you can follow the hearing on the go on your mobile device with our video app, c-span now. it's free to download at the apple store and google play.
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>> we are running behind schedule but expected to start shortly, the last of the meeting of the january 6 committee to present its findings. it has been reported they are also going to make criminal referrals to the justice apartment based on evidence from more than 1000 witnesses. some of those witnesses will be appearing today. they reminder if you missed any previous hearings are want to watch them again, visit our webpage, c-span.org/january6.

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