april ryan is no stranger to c-span viewers a veteran white house correspondent with well over 100 videos in the c-span library and as of october the author of her latest book black women will save the world and anthem, a book that opens with judge ketanji brown jackson nomination on february 25th 22, why start this book there? >> why start this book there? because exactly what the title signifies. black women are saving the world, and we are now in purchase that no one has ever imagined. shirley chisholm says being -- being a black woman is a double whammy. we have seen that over the centuries. look at where black women are stationed in this nation. and the united states supreme court, something that eluded us for centuries, we are now there. it is a historic moment for a woman who shows up,

truly as a black woman, from her speech, her hair, just who she is. she is not late supreme court justice thurgood marshall, but she is ketanji brown jackson, whose opinions people are viewing, watching, and even taking note of. in the first few months she just stepped on the court and wore a robe october 1, and we are listening to her decisions, her opinions, and they are making news. she is significant to history, she is significant to the nation. why start with her? that is why. in the first few months she just stepped on the court and wore a robe october 1, and we are listening to her decisions, her opinions, and they are making news. she is significant to history, she is significant to the nation. why start with her? that is why. host: you mentioned shirley chisholm. remind viewers who she was and where black women were in her

time. guest: shirley chisholm was the first black woman to run for president in 1972. she was a congresswoman for brooklyn, the borough of brooklyn and the city of new york. that historic seat, now who has that seat? kim jeffries, who is the minority leader in the house. shirley chisholm ran in 1972, defied the odds. she broke the mold. she was a feminist. she was ahead of her time. she was about lgbtq+ rights. she was about so much to uplift women, uplift the community, and at the end of the day she made a mark. before there was kamala harris, there was shirley chisholm. her words for -- words reverberate.

i love using this quote because she has such a profound person, not just politician, who understood humanity. she said, if you don't have a seat at the table, ring a folding chair. black woman perpetually had a folding chair for so long, but now since 1972, since she said those words, black people, particularly black women, not only have that perpetual seat, what they are also sitting people at the table, convening the tables, and bringing permanent seats for others. she made such a ripple in this nation, for people to remember her. host: the book is "black woman will save the world." it is april's fourth book. she is joining us to talk about it. phone lines, as usual, democrats, republicans, and independents. you write that it is time to

bring black women into american folklore. what does that mean? guest: you, we are left out. we just really started embracing who harriet tubman was, understanding that, you know, our history books may have given a paragraph or two, to understand who she was and this black woman who did not have a place, a slave in this nation, and she kept coming back to free black people who were enslaved, particularly does -- particularly the descendants of africans. understanding there was freedom in something better. she kept going back, taking the profits off the land. that is one of the many stories. let's talk about the black panther party, which is vilified today, but we salute them because they talked about

community and love of her community, uplifting the community. they talked about sickle-cell, which they were still looking for a cure for, but it was a push that made people aware of it. also, the black panther party talked about the issue of free breakfast for our children. the government now is funding free breakfast and lunches for our kids. and also clinics in the community for health care. i bring up the black panther party because the depiction, the optics of it were black men. 70% of that party were women. and they did it out of love for the community. they pushed because of love for the community. it is time for black women to get their due. we have been listening and serving for a long time. people really don't know the truth and understand what it takes to lead like this.

they have not really heard the stories of who black women have been, who they are, and who they will be in the future in this nation. host: what is an anthem and why is this an anthem? guest: if you are in the black church you know what an anthem is. you're going to say this over and over again. black women will save the world. we haven't just said we are going to save the world, we have been. it is intrinsic to our nature. and talking to a friend, cornell belcher, he said when black women serve, when black women go to serve it is about love for community uplift versus our mail counterpoints. a lot of times it is about power and ego. just this last election cycle over 500 black woman were on the ballot in 44 states across this nation. unheard of, right?

black women are finding their voice. they are saving the world, they have saved the world. let's sit back and celebrated and not ignore it, because black woman welcome everyone. we celebrate everyone. we never take time to reflect and say, let's celebrate us. i'm giving us that pause to say, look, you are historic, you have done some mighty work, and let's look at this moment. because we've never been here before. host: no surprise that when april is on the phone lines light up quickly. this is a democrat from west virginia. morning. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. i would like to pose a question to all listeners. where the native americans invaded by europeans? do we continue that? is that something that poses a

question there? guest: most definitely. there is this pervasive thought right now, particularly among our young people who are learning the truth about this nation. you know, there is a shift in christopher columbus discovered america. how can you discover someplace that was already inhabited? yes, we do talk about native americans, but i'm writing a book right now and i show up, but i want to see that book. i celebrate our native americans and their accomplishments and hope for them to do more. but at the end of the day the nation has to realize -- not just me, because i understand it -- the nation has to understand who native americans are to this nation. and what has been done to the native american community in this nation.

that is the piece that needs to be dealt with. you are absolutely right. i'm writing this book because this is who i am, a black woman in america who was watching a rise of black women, something we never thought we would see before. i thank you for that question. native americans should be on the front page of the newspaper right now, because they are a community that is still suffering. host: in understanding black women in this country, you end of the book on the issue of vulnerability. why don't you think that black women are allowed to show vulnerability? guest: we are not allowed because the nation thinks we are strong. we are strong. we are strong because we had to be strong from the moment that we were stolen from our country and brought to this nation. we were strong because, you know, our men were ripped from us when we were slaves, and we

had to stand strong. because of that generational strength people don't see us as vulnerable. you know, we are always moving to uplift the community, up the church. nobody sees us as vulnerable. no one also sees us as a standard of beauty, and we are. that is one of the reasons i love this cover, because it shows strength, it shows giving women their flour, it also shows vulnerability. the problem is we are so strong, and have had to be strong because of what was placed on us for centuries. people don't our vulnerability. we heard, we bleed, and we are vulnerable. host: to baltimore. this is carolyn. morning, you are on with april ryan. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span, and thank you, ms. ryan. i love the narrative you are getting out there. i am a black woman, and we are

always painted as angry black women. when you go back in history we were the ones that took care of the babies. we were the ones that -- even in slavery we took care of the families. we want to be -- yet we are painted as angry. we are hurt, because we are the ones carrying the burden. we're the ones that get put down. and i need people to understand that we are the ones who have been taught to forgive, we have been taught to hold the family together even when we have been beat down. we appreciate the narrative you are doing. i will definitely get your book, and thank you, and please continue. march on, sister. guest: thank you, caroline, from baltimore, my home. you are absolutely right. when i first started this book tours someone read the book -- i did an interview with someone

and they said, why are you so angry? why are you so angry about children? i said, first of all, i'm not going to play into the narrative and stereotype of angry black men. i have every right to be angry, but i'm not. i'm overly concerned about the station of children. making black girls particularly more mature and older before their years. other kids have a chance to grow and have a child, but we are not angry, we are very concerned. we are going to lead, and other people take the glory for it. if we were angry, we had a right to be angry. we have the highest number of negatives in almost every category. when you see the fight change that on the front lines, particularly it is a black woman. if it is not a black woman, it is a black woman supporting a

black man to help move for the better. host: what is the degree? -- thegrio. guest: thegrio is a mighty new organization owned by billionaire byron allen. thegrio focuses on blackness. it focuses on sports, entertainment, and politics. i opened up the political arm about two years ago, and we are everywhere. thegrio is now on television. thegrio is on your internet. thegrio.com. thegrio comes from the old storyteller, from africa. that is spelled griot. we took a little license with that, a little artistic license, and took the t off. but we are still storytellers.

that is where that comes from. i am honored to be part of this magnificent team. we are doing groundbreaking work, breaking stories. go to thegrio.com. i am proud to be part of this organization. it is black-owned media and black media. unapologetically giving news to black americans, other networks, and newspapers. host: you talk about your book, you write about blk journalists. we say, our activism is rooted in serving the underserved. you say, he used to push against the description of my work as accurate -- as activism, because that was delegitimizing my work. but over time i have come to accept and embrace that description. take me through accepting and embracing that description. guest: let me tell you something. for 25 years i have considered

myself a journalist. i don't care what people say. be it democrat or republican. democrats used to say i was a republican. republicans used to say i was a bleeding heart democrat. i must be doing my job well. but when you happen to be black and you are reporting about an underserved community, the first thing people want to lop at you, you are an activist namely that -- activist. not. i'm not that person walking down the street fighting for power, i'm not out there marching. i'm writing about the march. i'm writing stories other people want talk about. a lot of people like to use the word activist or activism as a pejorative. i don't understand that. but at the end of the day i had a talk with myself, and then i talked with some other people, like melanie campbell of the black women's roundtable.

she said, you are an activist. she said, you are an activist in a different way. what you do creates momentum. i said, oh, ok. so in that context i guess so. i'm not writing to make people move, i'm writing to tell the stories that have not been told. the truth. then i talked to my great friend nicole hannah jones, who said, you are able to stand and write something and be an expert in that field. you are able to defend it or go against it. to talk about the issue. she said, that is accurate -- she said, that is activism. i said, ok, i'm an activist. it can't hurt me with that word anymore. at the end of the day when i do is inform people. inform people with information that they can use to change

their lives, with news that helps their lives. if i am an activist, so be it. host: in this book you also tell your own story. one incident you write about took in november 2018. it was then-president trump's press conference today after the midterm elections. i want to play that clip from the c-span archives and have you talk about why this moment stuck with you. >> mr. president -- mr. president, if it is unfair to the country and costing millions of dollars, why don't you just -- >> i have answered the question. i will give you voter suppression. you just have to -- sit down, please. i didn't call you. i didn't call you. i will give you voter suppression. take a look at the cnn polls, how inaccurate they were.

that is called voter suppression. black thank you mr. -- thank you, mr. president. >> i'm not responding. excuse me, i'm not responding to you. i'm talking to this gentleman. excuse me. excuse me. would you please sit down? go ahead. >> thank you, mr. president. host: april ryan, youri, in a few words the president atmpted to take away my voice and negate my history. i wish i could say that was a unique incident, but that played out over the course of that administration with him and a parade of press secretaries. guest: i will be very honest, i hate listening -- hate is a strong word, but i hate listening to that. because -- and i'm so glad you played it in its entirety. i said, mr. president, i was two or three rows in. he heard me, he responded. when a president responds out of respect for the office -- and i

did that. he responded. and he proceeded to tell me to sit down. and he was screaming voter fraud and voter suppression. i kept asking him about the irony of all of this, right? then four years later -- i don't even think joe biden even knew, but four years later my first question in the white house press conference with this president happened to be four years from the moment. it was surreal. it was a lot for me in that moment. to see what happens four years ago opposed to what happened a few weeks ago. but it was a horrible moment for me, and for the nation. and for that president. he and i will always be remembered for that. that is not what you want to think of when you think of an american president during or the

press. he had a stain for me, he answered my question. i give him respect by standing up. to tell a black woman who is a mother, who people listen to, to sit down, it was insulting. i'm not going to sit down because he responded. it showed who he was in that moment it showed a lot. host: here in washington, d.c., this is marty next. independent. you are on with april ryan. caller: good morning. how are you this morning? guest: i'm fine. happy holidays. caller: the same to you. i saw you at the mahogany book event, and i just needed to tell you, i wanted to thank you for your 25-plus years of service. your voice is needed. i'm going to ask you to

continue, in spite of all of the criticism you receive. continue to do the work you do, continue to represent, and as a black man i am proud to see you wherever you show up. keep doing what you are doing. don't stop. thank you. guest: thank you, marty. you know, it's wonderful when men are showing up at these events. that was powerful, marty, thank you. men are leaning in. they sit on the edge of their seats and they are listening to this. because they love us and they want to know how to love us and they want to support us, because they know we are carrying a burden.

thank you, marty. that is it. host: to that point you just made, if you could be sure that one person would read your book today, who you wrote this for, would you want that one person today to be a black woman, a black man? a white man? if you had one person to read your book, who would you want it to be? guest: want the person who reads the book to understand this is about community that loves the community. i don't care who it is. i love every community that reads this book. blackman, white, jewish man. black women, white women, asian women. i have had so many people show up. i just want people to understand who we are as people in this nation. what we have contributed to this nation.

what we continue to contribute to this nation. and for the reader, i want you to understand this is a love letter to america about black women. it is not putting anybody down. it is to give understanding of who we are. marty got me all upset. host: we don't have the mahogany book event that marty mentioned we saw you at -- guest: yeah, you do. you were there. host: i was trying to pull that one up and couldn't grab it, that i could grab your miami book fair coverage, where you were one of the featured speakers there. that was on november 20, available on book tv and in our c-span archives. i'm going to find the other one as you talk to danny in maryland. republican. good morning. guest: hi, danny. caller: good morning. congratulations on your fourth book. i wish i could write a book. guest: you can, go ahead.

try. [laughter] caller: thanks. i see it totally different than what you are saying. guest: ok. caller: i hate to be the naysayer, but when you look at the inner cities, the criminals and the victims are mostly young black men. and what are they the product of? single black mothers. i see single black moms as creating chaos and destruction, because of their lifestyle. guest: their lifestyle? caller: until the culture changes there is not going to be a change. and that is not just for single black women. single white women too, with kids. that is a problem and we have to change the culture. that is a reality. you can look at the statistics in baltimore, chicago, all of these, you know? host: danny, let me give april ryan a chance to respond. guest: danny, i'm from baltimore

and i am a single black mother. i'm raising two young black women. one in college, and one in high school. production, contributing members of society. so, i take offense to that. i am a single black woman. i'm divorced. getting married in 2023, but i've been single for a long time. and i'm black. and also in the baltimore area. i am the stereotype. that is one reason why i wrote the book. what you just said smears a whole swath of women, a whole swath of people. you talk about white women. i think you need to go back and really look at the stats. black woman as head of

households, black women are rising in number as the breadwinner. why? because for generations our men have been taken from us. from the time we were ripped from our homeland, africa, and women have been objectified, they have been the wetnurse in the workforce and everything. we are also the person who is underemployed, working several jobs to keep the home together. and sometimes things slip through the cracks. you are not allowing for all of that in your darts you threw at black women. i want you to look at the fact that black women were taken from africa, and they were chosen to come from africa to this nation to breed the workers, right? they were chosen because of the firmness of their breasts.

they wanted the meat to produce strength for free labor that this nation benefited from. black women had to stand alone, because of a black man stood up, they would be beaten or killed. you had to stand for generation after generation. you want to know why they say we are strong? my mother was strong, like her mother for her. want to know where that came from? it came from enslavement of africans in this nation. for you to paint that broadbrush picture, i'm so sad, because i want you to go look at the stats. you to say that like single woman -- i am a black single woman, and i am not in that box. you cannot paint that picture.

in every community there are issues we can work on, you cannot paint that rod brush picture like that. i respectfully accept your question, but i reject this -- it with this answer. host: your home town of baltimore showing up on the phone line today. this is melissa, line free democrats. good morning. caller: i have been a fan for years -- decades. i also wanted. the previous segment was about immigration. i come as a black woman who majored in history and is an attorney, i just think american has a love affair with slavery. just that it manifests now in terms of depressed wages that have to be supplemented by the rest of us taxpayers so that corporations can keep profits

up. but the black women labor has been super-exploited, and i inc. the backlash we get now is because black women are choosing not to labor for free. i would like to hear what you think about that issue. thank you. guest: thank you. black women should not labor for free. you should know our value, but when we show up, we show up for more. what it takes other communities to help us get more. let's get to the immigration issue. it broken? it has been broken for a long time. don't expect after it has been broken for decades that this is going to happen. it is not just about crossing the border. you have a lot of people -- and this is the piece that bothers me -- the border is one issue, but there is another. you have a lot of people that overstay their visas. people are not forcing that issue.

for the people looking for better, it is a problem. one of the things that really bothers me with immigration, who is allowed to come and who is pushed back. and, you know, talk about political asylum. what is happening to our haitian brothers and sisters who are terrorized by gangs, cannot even hold democratic elections? the president was assassinated. not only that, they still have not rebounded from -- is it, 2010 earthquake? when they come to our shores or find a way to -- i get in trouble for this -- they take the r -- reigns and use them as webs. it is humanity. he needs to be fixed.

but what happens to that old adage, the ellis island issue, and bring me your tired, your hungry, the statute of liberty -- statue of liberty, you know? we have to understand our system is broken and be real about it and fix it, instead of, well, i want to walk. well, i need money. this is about humanity and people were looking for refuge and better. what do you do to fix the border? what do you do to push out those who are also here who have overstay their visas? it is not one over the other, and it is not one race over the other. i speak from the heart. after 25 years i have seen politics -- not as politics, not as party, but as people, as humanity. that is where i come from.

as a black person who is the descendant of slaves, and has been listening to this back-and-forth, we want a chance with lady liberty in the harbor. we were on the bottoms of ships. this reminds me of the hypocrisy, it reminds me of the lack of humanity and who gets in and who doesn't. it needs to be fixed. that is it. host: take you to brooklyn. this is an independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm watching the program with ms. ryan. ms. ryan? host: what is your question or comment? caller: i do not believe what she is saying about black women. like people have to help both the male and female. we have to put emphasis on the

blackmail, on the black female, because when we only put emphasis on the black female only all of the other races help the male and female. to me, we are becoming more divided. the black man was also suffering. he was imprisoned, he was hanged. also the horrible things done by a black man. but nobody tried to address their problem. nobody tried to lift them up. if the black women lift up alone, it is our disaster. with no husbands, with no family, and no race could prosper without the family. the family is the basis, ok? host: i think we get your point. guest: we do. she is absolutely right, the family is the basis, that show up as a black woman and i am celebrating black women. i celebrate black man.

i do. i celebrate black men all the time. i tell their stories on the greer -- the grillo -- the grio. i celebrate everyone, but this moment when we have a supreme court justice who looks like me, when we have a vice president that looks like me, when i'm in that briefing room and raise my hand to a woman that looks like me, when i see black ceos who are women who look like me rising up in a space we were never meant to be, i'm going to celebrate. maybe you can write that book about black men. and i think you should. i celebrate black men. black men have been hurt. they have been pushed down by this society. from the time we were brought here. as a black woman -- i'm sorry you don't want to celebrate yourself -- but at the end of

the day i celebrate you. i am celebrating all of us. there should be a book about black man, you know? tallahassee codes -- tanahasi cotes wrote a book. there are so many black men writing books about black men. to say that i should, i disagree. i show up as a black woman, i wrote a book about black women. i am marrying a great black man this year who happens to be a retired naval officer. i celebrate black men. i am the daughter of a black man. i am the sister of a black name. i am the cousin of black men. i'm sorry. but, thank you. host: come back to the white house briefing room and when you raise your hand behind the podium there is a black woman. what does that mean for you

professionally and personally? guest: ok, so, i sometimes have to separate because, you know -- let's do it a couple of ways. i'm going to answer this a couple of ways. there is humanity, and then there is journalism. when barack obama became president how was shocked. because i am a child who was born in 1967. in my parents regaled me about the civil rights movement. they never expected that, because they never expected to see a black president. they witnessed brothers being assassinated for wanting to move the country forward. at the end of the day, when bobby kennedy and king were killed within a six-week period, the nation -- i mean, if you remember that time the nation

was like, what? it felt like armageddon. then black people never thought it would happen. then it happened. for me it was like, ok, my mother passed for she got a chance to see the first black president i'll never forget asking her mom, what do you think about barack obama? she says, we did see it. i didn't cry, i was in shock when he became president. but i cried when he left. i cried when barack obama left because i witnessed history that so many people thought we would never see. then, when joe biden put kamala harris on the ticket i was like, a woman who identifies as black. yes, she is mixed-race. she identifies as black, takes a concerted effort to identify as black. for her to be in that white house, to be a vice president, whether you like not, she is

there. to be in that briefing room, to see mostly white men on that podium, then, you know, i was there for some white fema press secretaries. i will never forget being in the briefing room with veteran white house correspondent, retired correspondent of abc. when women were in the front row she said, look at the numbers of women. it was a big thing to salute women who were in the room or at the podium in the front row, getting questions. but to see a woman who looks like me show up in that room, after all these years, not only does she look like me, she is

also in another community, the lgbtq+ community. and, you know, the humanity in the is like, times are changing. and i've witnessed the history. times are changing. but there is still also pushed back. and we hear it every day. but then the journalist in me, karine i need an answer. there is humanity, but also journalism. the humanity in me is like, wow. see, again, former president of the united states, a black man, to see the current vice president of the united states, a black woman, to see the white house press secretary, of haitian descent, lgbtq+ black woman, it is showing me that

times are changing. and i'm here to witness it i'm here, writing the history that my ancestors never imagined. so, the humanity pieces profound. the journalistic peace is mixed. [laughter] host: just about 10 minutes left with april ryan. the book, again "black women will save the world: an anthem." taking your phone calls. republican line, burlington, north carolina. good morning. guest: hey, brady. caller: you like to mislead people, don't you? guest: you know, brady, my family is from north carolina. caller: you sold them to the white man. guest: you know what? let me say this to you. there were some africans that participated, whose ships took us over to the new world? colonizers. so i'm not misleading.

you need to read your history, sir. my family, i am proud to be a north carolinian. i worked in tobacco fields and stuff. thank you. host: to ohio. worse, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. in ohio we have nina turner. she is famous for being campaign manager for bernie sanders. and most recently ran for congress in ohio. she was way ahead in the polls. in my perspective -- i'm a democrat, but i think the democratic establishment ganged up on her because they are afraid of her message. her campaign hooked up with colonel west and fangs like that. i know you don't have a crystal ball, but i wonder what you think her future might be and how you see her influence on american politics. guest: she had an influence on

american politics. she has an influence on american politics. people listen to her. she is powerful. for a lot of these people that run for these high offices, it is not over. she is still a young woman. she is about service and politics. going back to barack obama, he tried to run against congressman bobby rush in chicago, and he lost. but then he became what? a u.s. senator. then he became what? present of the united states. politicians, and they move, it builds momentum. i'm thinking about christians in arkansas, a black man who ran against sarah huckabee sanders, who is now the governor-elect. you know, michael steele, the former head of the rnc.

people would think his numbers would be further apart. sarah had maybe a 10-point lead over him. and she would not debate him doing but people are saying because he showed up so well he has a chance for higher office the next time around. it is not over. i don't believe it is over unless she wanted to be over. i think she can write her own course. this was the groundwork for more. host: you talk about seeing yourself in the highest ranks of politics, at the supreme court and the vice presidency. the podium at the press briefing room. are you seeing yourself in corporate america today? guest: am i seeing myself in corporate america? yes. we have black women ceos. we have middle-management, it is not enough. the late vernon jordan brought a lot of black woman to the table,

and he helped them ultimately propel. but we need more. the diversity of america is important because if we see different people there it gives a different texture to what is going on. in some instances it changes the dynamic. and at the end of the day, we are contributing to this nation. like biola davis says, opportunity. just give us the opportunity. we will show you who we are. we have supported so many. we have supported so many who get the recognition for our work. now it is time for us to see our work and others to see our work. host: william, coaldale, pennsylvania, republican line. good morning. caller: yes. i have three quick things. number one, i saw the conference with you and trump.

he did not take your question because you were being ignorant, like the cnn host. second, do you think it is racist to have black television shows? can white people have white television shows? or would that be called racism? one more thing -- guest: i've got to remember all of this. host: go ahead with the questions you have. guest: do you think it is racist to have a black television show? do you think it is racist to have majority white networks? we have white people working for us. if you say it is racism for us to have a black network, what about the white networks out here that do not have that many blacks? and we are in a space, telling the stories that other accent not telling. the black community has some of the highest numbers of negatives in almost every category. it is not conjecture read the facts. a lot of these stories are not covered. therefore, thegrio is important.

it is not racist. it is giving you an understanding of community do not hear about in the mainstream white networks, so that is not racism. thank you. what is your last question, sir? host: i think we lost the caller. his other question was about the press conference. i don't know if there is anything more you wanted to add. guest: he said i was ignorant. that trump did not answer me. yes, he did. i just believe there is -- anyway, sir, you heard it. you choose not to believe what i'm saying because you are aware, but thank you. host: sacramento, california. this is the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? april, i'm glad to talk to you today. i've been following you. i like everything about you. you know, you are pretty and on

top of that, but at the same time you are educated and letting these white folks know just how educated you are by the way you speak. the reason i called, though, was to correct that white guy there called in and said that black people sold black people. that is not the truth. if you read your bible, your bible will tell you that the slave cages that were full of black jews, ok, white black africans were selling black jews. they were not selling africans. we are a people from israel. we are the real jews. we need to be emphasizing on that so that these people will know that we are not know negros and all of that type of crab. we are god's holy people. native american people are the

real people of god. these white folks is one to be forever prejudiced against us, because they know this, and they don't want us to come up, because they know if we all knew it there would be no more of them. host: april ryan, i will lay -- i will let you jump in. guest: i will address the issue about slavery. the importunate piece is, slavery israel. you don't want to acknowledge it, for whatever reason. we were ripped for our night -- from our nation. there were black people that participated in it. who set up the slave trade? who had the ships? when we came to this country who had the slave houses? who had the auction blocks? let's get real about this. and not try to pretend -- because of your personal angst. knowledge is power. and unfortunately some of the people who believe -- who choose

not to believe the truth, you are deluding yourself, because when you do, there is a problem. we are here because of the slave trade. how did -- africans were not traveling over to europe. it was the colonizers who came with their ships and figured it out, made deals with the africans to make this happen. so, let's be very clear as to slavery. slavery israel, even though you don't want to believe it. you can believe in critical race theory, but the truth will set you three. -- you free. also acknowledge that there was a lot of -- and this is a piece a lot of people don't want to believe -- a lot of the masters mingled with a lot of the slaves. and i will leave it there. host: we have about a minute

left. the book, again, is "black women will save the world: an anthem." april ryan is the author. it is her fourth book. you have an idea of what your facebook will be? [laughter] guest: well, i'm not supposed to say it, but, yeah. it is along the lines -- it is going to keep with what i do. but, yes, there will be a fifth book. i'm not supposed to talk about it. host: is this a fifth book we might see in 2023, or beyond that? [laughter] guest: we are trying to figure it out. this book did so well. there is going to be another one. just stand by. it is going to make a lot of people who call today more

upset, but it is the truth. that is one thing i do. i write about the truth. host: you can find out about it when she can talk about it. [laughter] follow her on twitter, see her work from the white house briefing room. again, the book "black women will save the world: an anthem." thank you for your time. guest: thanks for having me, happy holidays. this was fantastic. >> justices on the u.s. sre court voted 5-4 to keep title 42 border restrictions in place for now. because after 19 republican state attorney general's challenge and io e policy arguing it wch are gray significantncase of migrants crossing the u.s.-mexico borr. tle 42 was put in place by the trump administration in early

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