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other television providers. host: for the 364th day this year, washington journal has been on the air at this time, listening to your views and sharing information. some of the stories we have talked about this year include the midterm elections, the economy and inflation, covid, the border crisis, the supreme court's abortion decision, free speech, the future of democracy, etc. in light of these public policy issues, how was your year? how would you describe and view 2022? we will begin taking your calls in a minute. you can see the numbers on your screen. (202) 748-8000 for those of you in the eastern and central time

zones, (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific. you can sunday text to (202) 748-8003. include your first name and city if you would. you can contact us via social media, facebook, twitter, instagram. @cspanwj is our handle. thank you for being with us on december 30 of 2022. we will be looking back at the year, hearing your views on how 2022 was for you. this is how gallup looked at 2022. they measured public opinion. confidence in u.s. institutions down. average is at a new low. a record low 38 percent extremely proud to be an american. confidence in the supreme court sinks to historic lows. americans less optimistic about next generation's future.

record low in u.s. say it is a good time to buy a house. same-sex marriage support inches up to a new high, 71%. media confidence ratings at record lows. u.s. approval of labor unions at the highest point since 1965. belief in god did stating 1%, a new low -- god dips stating 1%, a new low. that is a headline glance at how gallup measured public opinion from this year. yougov also did a survey. they conducted a survey asking americans what they thought of the year, how it compares to the prior year, and predictions about whether things will get better or worse in 2023 and beyond. while there is slightly more positive sentiment, many

americans have a gloomy outlook on the future of the country. the largest share of americans say the year was ok, 24% say it was good. for many, the year was bad. 16%. outright terrible, 10%. how do they think the country fared? 3% think it was a great year for the u.s. another 12% said it was a good year. 25% deemed it ok. 28% think it was bad or terrible. the democrats have a more positive view of the year compared to republicans. 26% of democrats see the year as having been good or great for the country. comparing 2021 and 2022, there was a notable, noticeable

decrease in the percentage of democrats who deemed the year bad or terrible. in 2021, 16% said it was a terrible year for the country. 9% said 2022 was. while 34% of democrats thought last year was bad, 34% said the same about 2022. the largest share of republicans believe 2022 was terrible for the u.s. at 37%. independents, 31% agree. 9% of democrats do. that is all from yougov. how was your year? we start with eric in massachusetts. caller: i am alive so that is a good starting point. however, i think it was a bad year. we spent too much money, caused

a lot of inflation, and i think it is not only bad for this year. it is going to be bad for this -- for subsequent years that we will have to deal with. unfortunately, the red wave may not have happened, but we did get the house to slow down the crazy spending train. it seems like the republicans have jumped on board with the crazy spending unfortunately. i did not have to wear a mask this year, which was great. i think some of the cuckoos are heading back as well. all in all, we will get through it, but unfortunately, i think this year was not as great as it could have been. host: we read the gallup headlines about some of their poll findings. 38% of americans are extremely

proud to be american. what do you think of that figure? caller: it is disturbing. it is the best country in the world. everyone wants to come here and unfortunately -- one thing, i watched a series on tv about canadian -- about the canadian customs process to get into the country and how rigorous it is. we are letting tens of millions of people, over our borders unchecked. this is the greatest country in the world. however, we only have so much we can give. host: eric from chelmsford, massachusetts, appreciate your time. let's hear from rob in new york

city. how was your year? caller: my year was ok, but i will tell you, we are the luckiest people on earth with the jobs and the economy we have, but what was on my mind compelled -- mind, compelled me to call, was thinking about, oddly, this oddball fraudster from long island, new york, this george santos fraud, to completely fabricated and falsified who he was. who the people voted for is not who he is and is not who we are going to get. and it seems like almost a fitting end to the year to have such a fraudulent individual being in the forefront now with

all of the conspiracy theories and the lies and the what is up is down and what is down is up and the whole business with the former president and the way he completely lied about so many things, everything practically, the ego involved. it is kind of a disappointing end to the year. one would have to have pity on these people who continue -- and the republican party is just silent and will not go against this fakery, the lies, and the type of people that are coming forward now, the marjorie taylor greenes, and going along with it for the sake of i don't know what, power. we are losing when we have a false interpretation of reality from these, it seems, mostly

republican type of elected officials. host: that is rob in new york city. he mentioned george santos. the washington post has this story. a tiny paper broke the santos scandal but no one paid attention. months before the new york times published the december article suggesting george santos had fabricated much of his resume and biography, a publication on long island was running a -- was ringing alarm bells. the northshore leader was writing about his inexplicable rise in reported net worth from nothing in 2022 $11 million two years later. the story pointed out a number of other oddities about the trump supporter who would go on to flip the district and is now

under investigation for misrepresenting his background. santos shows no u.s. real property in his financial disclosure, although he has repeatedly claimed to own -- own a mansion in oyster bay and in the hamptons. for a man of such alleged wealth, campaign records show santos and his husband live in a rented apartment in an attached rowhouse in queens. the newspaper ruggedly endorsed santos -- newspaper reluctantly endorsed santos's democratic opponent, writing he is so bizarre, unprincipled and sketchy we cannot endorse him. he boasts like an insecure child but is most likely just a fabulist, a fake. the story goes on to talk about local news and this paper.

local news does not get much more local than the leader, a weekly published and primarily run by grant larry, an attorney whose parents bought it in the late 1990's. most of the staff works part-time and holds down other jobs to pay the bills. no one can survive on local papers alone. lowery was particularly well prepared to cover the race. he had run for the seat for himself in 1994, 1996 and 2014. lowery was george w. bush's floor manager in miami during the 2000 presidential election recount. back to your calls. how was your year? i was 2022 for you -- how was 2022 for you? tim, highland park, new jersey, good morning. caller: good morning to you and everybody else and merry christmas and happy new year.

i hope next year will be better than this year. it seems every year, we see the same thing. all right. with that being said, the lows -- there were at least two lows that i'm going to expound upon. one is the insurrection of 2021. that was last year. this year, it is the war in ukraine. host: thank you for calling. ricky, philadelphia, what are your thoughts? caller: good morning. my year, 2022, was ok, but my

biggest concern this year is the crime rate. i live in philadelphia. every year, you know, crime has been going up out of the past three years. more than 1500 people lost their lives from gun violence. and with the shooting going on, we need -- we like bickering with each other.

host: how could i forget staggering inflation? another text from emma in d.c.

2022 with great,. i switched political affiliation. i lost some of my community but i have more integrity now. next call is james in richmond, virginia. how was your year? caller: how are you? host: how are you? caller: i am fine. i appreciated the interview you had with sam regarding fentanyl. i watched the whole thing. that is a problem here. i love hispanic americans. but we cannot afford that. hundreds of thousands of dollars -- of people are dying from fentanyl. you know?

i'm a converted roman catholic myself. i love hispanic americans but they cannot bring those drugs here, you know? host: that is the issue for you in 2022? caller: stop alcohol. my problem is alcohol. in 2023, i am going to stop drinking and be totally sober and my faith is roman catholic. god bless america. i am a u.s. navy veteran. host: james in richmond. some of the other issues besides inflation, covid, the border crisis, the january 6 hearings, midterms, oil prices, supply chains, the mar-a-lago raid, ketanji brown jackson became a supreme court justice this year, hurricane ian struck, tensions

with china, crypto collapse, and of course, back to ricky in philadelphia. he talked about violence. he had two very major mass shootings, uvalde, texas, and up in buffalo. next call is greg in amanda, ohio. you are on the washington journal. how is 2022 for you? caller: i am a senior citizen. of all the years i have seen, 2022 is one of the worst, for the nation especially, when you look at what happened. 20% of americans do not believe in god. that is stupid. those people will believe in god before their time is over. the gentleman who was just on was talking about a drinking

problem. i had that kind of problem for a few years. you look at society today with drugs. people lose hope. that is the main problem. people are losing hope in our nation. 2023 will be a great awakening for this nation. people are going to start paying attention to their own lives and the lives around them. this morning, i got up early and i was listening to some 1960's music. this may be off-topic, but you had songs like get together. that music struck a chord with people in that generation, which i was one of. today, there's nothing around us that will strike a chord and mean something to people. that is where we went wrong. media and corporations took over this nation. host: greg, are you retired?

caller: i am. in fact, i was disabled. that is a long story. i got hit when i was 27 by farm equipment. the guy was never cited. my wife was a .5 months pregnant -- was 8.5 months pregnant. that changes your life. host: back to the gallup poll.

confidence in u.s. institutions down, average at new low, average of 38% extremely proud to be american. confidence in the supreme court sinks to a historical low. record low in the u.s. says it is a good time to buy a house. gay marriage support up to 71%. media confidence ratings at record lows. u.s. approval of labor unions at highest point since 1965. belief in god dips to 81%. early voting higher than in past u.s. midterms. ability, carrier mills -- bill lee, carrier mills, illinois. caller: doing all right. i like what the president got done.

jim jordan and his cronies better watch it. they are investigating the wrong people. they should be investigating themselves. thank you. host: that is billy and carrier mills, illinois. he mentioned jim jordan, expected to take over the judiciary committee. january 3 is when the new congress is seated. washington journal will be live at 7 a.m. until noon, simulcasting on c-span one and two, as the new house comes into session with the election of a speaker, etc. we are asking you how was your 2022? how was your year when it comes to the public policy issues we have all been discussing throughout the year?

(202) 748-8000 for those of you in the east and central time zones, (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific, and you can send a text to (202) 748-8003. you can connect with us via social media, facebook, instagram and twitter. @cspanwj is our handle. here's a couple tweets we have received. this is from patrick. "year of great struggle. only good thing is the supreme court. terrible employment, pay. student loan debt goes unsolved. our borders are being invaded." gwen moore from steve -- one more from steve. "i found out our health care

system sucks. it has been a struggle to cope after a stroke. the expense for most would put them in the poorhouse. we need free health care for all. illness just means death for most. 2023 has no expectations here." the new york times has a follow-up story on the george santos story. what are the house's options for addressing falsehoods? house republican leaders who have so far remained silent amid persistent questions about mr. santos are unlikely to punish him in any significant way. even if they could force him out of congress, it would prompt a special election, setting up a potential blow to the party's already precarious majority. mr. santos has pledged to vote of kevin mccarthy of california as mr. mccarthy faces a rebellion on the right and needs every vote he can get.

here are some of the options for addressing mr. santos's falsehoods. could the house refuse to seat him? the supreme court ruled that a person who met the constitutional requirements for office in the house could not be refused a seat one selected. could he be expelled? in theory, yes. practically, probably not. article one, section five of the constitution states each house may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish members for disorderly behavior, and with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member. there is no mechanism for voters to recall a member of the house of representatives. back to your calls. let's hear from harry in norcross, georgia. how did 2022 treat you, especially when it comes to the public policy issues we are

talking about? caller: good morning. 2022 brought me down to earth and i will say the proliferation of ignorance has caught on in america, where they started defunding education in this country 40 years ago when ronald reagan came into office and it is starting to bear fruit. this business of george santos is a perfect book end for the end of the year. i had a good year in that the people i vote for finally are starting to get elected. but i see the internet, which

should be a -- should proliferate education, which it has a great chance to do. it is just proliferating ignorance and falsehood. so i am cautious optimistically for this year -- optimistic for this year. host: simon is next in gaffney, alabama. go ahead. caller: 2022 does not want to be repeated but we survived it. host: what are some of those issues that got under your skin? caller: i would like to echo what harry just said about the proliferation of ignorance. i wholeheartedly agree with him. i have a feeling i am on the

other end of the political spectrum from him. i believe we deserve the government we have because we are the ones that do the voting. i just hope we find our way. host: simon in alabama. the hill, divided gop enters 2023 attacking itself. the republican party, which entered 2022 with ambitions of capturing both chambers of congress and using discontent with president biden to mount a strong push, now attacking itself. ronna mcdaniel facing blowback from a number of members. in the senate, republicans coming off a disappointing midterm showing. in the house, kevin mccarthy is still short of the votes needed to secure the speaker's gavel.

crystal is in wilkes-barre, pennsylvania. good morning to you. caller: good morning. i had a wonderful year. i-8. i had a job. i am so happy that trump is being revealed is a liar. i had a wonderful year. i appreciate him for being honest. i appreciate what he has done for ukraine. i had a wonderful year.

it could get better and i am hopeful that it does but i have no complaints. i am not a whiner, a complainer. all i wanted to see was democrats win. host: what kind of work do you do in wilkes-barre? caller: i work in the school system tutoring children that are academically behind. host: thank you for calling in this morning. happy new year. if you cannot get through on the phone lines, send a text message to (202) 748-8003. include your first name and city if you would. this is the new york times. biden finds $1.7 trillion measure. he signed the spending bill into

law thursday, keeping the government funded through september, adding to his legacy of expanding programs. mr. biden had pushed congress to reach a deal on funding the government ahead of a deadline at the end of the month and cheered the bill. the setting was unusual. instead of staging a ceremony, mr. biden wielded his pen on the island of st. croix, where he is vacationing through the new year. white house officials received the more than 4000 bill -- 4000 page bill from congress. the bill, which cleared congress on september 23 -- december 23, was the last major accomplishment of mr. biden's first two years in the white

house, including significant spending increases for defense and domestic spending not related to the military, reflecting divergent partisan priorities in washington. $858 billion in defense funding and $772 billion for education, health and veterans programs. it included significant new aid to ukraine to help in its fight against the russian invasion. diana is in arizona. go ahead. host: hi, everybody. it was a rough year, but i believe a lot of gouging went on. i am very disappointed in this gun situation.

it does not make sense to me that these red states -- i was a republican. i have switched to democrat. i am so upset. alabama just put in open carry. it does not make sense. they have open carry? come on. the only way we are going to control this is people stop voting for these crazy laws and get with people that want to do something about these guns. it is just innocent people that go to the show, go to church. they don't feel safe anymore. why have open carry? i don't understand it. i feel so sorry for families that go out and don't even know if they are coming home.

host: thank you. mary in clarksdale, mississippi, how was your year? caller: my year was very challenging. i would like to say godspeed to the ukrainian people and my fellow americans. this guy santos is a surprise. who is this guy? busy a fraud -- is he a fraud? it scares me. the most challenging thing would be the gas, food prices, and guns. the previous caller was saying alabama created that open carry law. most southern states have open carry. that tends -- they are trying to

bring the age down to 18. places throughout the country have gum problems. it never ceases to a amaz -- to amaze me. happy holidays and a better 2023. host: thank you for calling in. veronica is in san angelo, texas. good morning. how is 2022 for you? caller: good morning. i had a great 2022. biden gave me peace of mind, which i had not had in the last four years. i had a great year.

i want to thank president biden for everything he has done. i also want to say i was disappointed because of our election. i was hoping. abbott won again. it would be better if we had beto. host: where is san angelo? are you close to the border? does the border in crisis in your opinion -- is the border in crisis in your opinion? caller: like that --it is but it has been like that since trump was there. we are close to abilene.

i don't understand how they play the blame game. when they are in power, they do not do a thing. they just complain. host: i am going to show a poll in a minute from gallup. the headline, government remains americans top problem in 2022. what do you think about that headline? caller: you know what? i have peace of mind. i trust president biden more than i did trump. i am surprised we did not all die from that pandemic. i trust our president will do what is best for us. and he's not easily bought off by other countries. that makes me feel safer. host: that is veronica in san

angelo, texas. happy new year. the gallup poll that states government remains americans top problem in 2022. americans named dissatisfaction with the government as the nation's top problem in 2022. an average of 19% of u.s. adults have mentioned some aspect of the government in gallup's 11 measures this year, edging out high cost of living or inflation and outpacing the economy in general. further down the list, immigration, unifying the country, covid, race relations, and crime, each averaging 4% to 6% of mentions. anthony, south river, new jersey. how was your year? caller: it was great. thank you for taking my call. thank you for c-span.

you are not perfect. i have some comments on that. i really like mimi on the weekends. she is a good listener. my comment about c-span. my biggest problem of 2022 is the media. i will give you some examples. on the c-span part, i will give you four, just to get them out there. when they had the dr. oz and federman debate, you did not air it on c-span or have it on your website. you had people who talked about it, but you actually didn't have the actual debate so we could see the health condition of mr. federman, so i was disappointed in that. you know, you used to have the daily press briefings on. i talked to jesse about this

previously. he says they are on. they are on the website. you used to carry them live previously. now i guess we don't want misinformation getting out so we don't. them live. i would rather see the live daily press briefing, which is a misnomer, because they probably have one or two a week, but they should have that on so we can see what is going on. two more things. another thing, you know, when they had the presidential election debates, susan asked about donald trump calling the veterans losers. that came out a year later that they said that was, you know, that that was just an unnamed source who did not have anything credible and it was not true, but that was a question on a debate. i would hope a better question would have been, mr. biden, how

are you going to eliminate fossil fuels? my final point, and thank you for listening and thank you for c-span, the last thing was, in the last election, you know, we have to frame abortion as woman's health care and everything, and i guess that is kind of true, but when you see proposals to limit abortion after 15 weeks, you might still say they have a bill to ban abortion, where i wish you would have said that there's a bill to ban abortion after 15 weeks, which would have been more accurate, because people only hear they want to ban abortion, which 71% of the people think it is ok to ban it after 15 weeks, like the rest of the civilized world. we call it women's health care. we will never hear it called

termination of a fetal heartbeat. thank you for being there. my local paper did away with letters to the editor. i appreciate you giving me a voice to talk. thank you. i wish you guys a happy new year. host: what do you do in south river, new jersey? caller: i am retired. host: from? caller: i am retired. host: we will leave it there. the last two were editorial issues. the first two i will address. white house press briefings are carried live whenever the house is not in session. that is a fact. the press secretary is on a couple times a week. other times, they are later or on the website. the awes-fetter -- the oz-f

etterman debate was sponsored by news nation and they did not give us permission to re-air it. andy, phoenix, good morning. caller: good morning. host: how was your 2022? caller: 2022 was nothing to get excited about. i will tell you why. i went to the grocery store. eggs are six dollars a dozen. chicken is 100% more. they really need to figure out this inflation on food. this 8% inflation. it is much higher. a couple other comments. i am outraged about mr. santos. i think he should be disqualified for that. all these people who are outraged with mr. santos need to understand our own president, mr. biden, said he was arrested

for supporting nelson mandela, which was a lie. he said he graduated in the top half of his law school. he was almost last. ms. omar committed fraud on an immigration form to marry her brother. that is egregious. hillary clinton says she dodged sniper bullets. i guess all politicians lie but they should be disqualified. mr. santos should not go to congress, but all these people saying they need to know about their own side. lastly, i know you do a lot of news articles from the new york times and washington post. i wish you did a few more from the new york post to get a different opinion. three words i really hate.

my last point. misinformation, disinformation, and racism. those three words are way overused. there is misinformation in the world and disinformation. who gets to determine what misinformation is? they told us the vaccines work. they did not. they told us they would stop the spread. that turned out not to be true. they said take it because your symptoms will be less. how do they know that? today do studies? who gets to decide what misinformation is? that is about it. i hope 2023 is not going to be dismal. host: you are calling from phoenix, one of the epicenters of the midterm elections. you did not bring up the 2022 midterm elections and

gubernatorial election out there. caller: it was a close race. it came down to about 12,000 votes. there were some issues at the polling stations on election day, which you kind of scratch your head. the reason why is the person who is now our governor oversees the elections. i am not saying anything nefarious happened. i am saying, with all the problems, you would think you would have your i's dotted and your t's crossed. host: thank you for your time. shannon, alexandria, virginia, how was 2022 for you? caller: thank you for taking my call. i have never done this. i want to say thank you because i listen to you all -- i will not say every day but most days. i appreciate your show. yeah. i wanted to comment on one thing

that stood out to me. and sometimes, when you have hard times, you look to people for inspiration. what i saw this year -- by the way, i have mostly voted democratic, for democrats, but sometimes republicans, and i would have voted for trump in 2016 if i had been able to, but i was not at the time. i was moving. what i found is all the anger and hate in volatility and i don't think any of us need that in our lives. it is almost like living in an abusive home and we do not need that. i changed my mind. i am one of those people who is kind of flexible. i wanted to comment on liz cheney. i have not heard anyone comment on this. i watched her sacrifice her own career to speak what she believed is the truth and to

make sure this person does not come into office again because of the insurrection some people claim was just a wild party. i also want to comment on cassidy hutchinson for her bravery. she is only 25. you know, there is a long life ahead of her and that is hard to do. it is the embodiment of strength and courage. you know, i take inspiration from that. host: thank you for calling in. the washington times headline, biden stumbles in third year with looming global conflicts, russia's unending war, north korea's expanding nuclear weapons threats and increasing moves towards u.s. aligned neighbors among the complex challenges president biden faces as he heads into the second half

of his term. administration officials are quick to praise mr. biden's role in rallying western powers against russia's invasion, analysts generally agree the president has had as many, if not more, foreign and national security failures as successes during his first two years in office. a long list of fumbles include mr. biden's flopped attempt at reviving the iran nuclear deal and lack of initiative expanding the abraham records -- accords. the disastrous 2021 afghanistan pullout and swift takeover of kabul. the blowback from the withdrawal reverberated throughout 2022, with some of biden's critics saying the botched exit diminished america's reputation abroad and emboldened u.s. enemies.

many foreign policy analysts credit mr. biden with bringing together u.s. allies, including those in nato, to stand against russia's february invasion by imposing sanctions on moscow and arming ukraine. front page. darla, texas, good morning to you. how is 2022 for you? caller: it's not been real good, but good morning and thank you for c-span. we have a little store and our business has been worse in 20 years. people do not have money to spend. they have to have gas, groceries , and i could not disagree more with the lady from san angelo. we are between abilene and forward. this president and his administration has been the worst i have ever seen in my

life and i started voting when i was 18 years old. i pray to god that we get trump back in there to get our country back in some kind of shape. the lives that have been told by this administration is unbelievable. governor abbott is trying to do his best for our state. we have had a few illegals come by the store. they are obvious but they are on the way to a big city because we cannot handle them. we are less than 4000 people. i look to god. for my salvation and i do believe that america will come back and i do hope and pray that president trump is our president in 2024 and thank you for taking my call.

host: that is darla in cisco, texas. jc is in sealy, texas. caller: good morning to you. thank you for taking my call. i am sitting and looking and listening. how bad the government is and how bad they are doing. i am going to say this. it is not the government. the people are in charge. the most that got to the government was voted there. they did not just walk up and become a government person. it seems that a lot of people

don't want to hear these kind of things. they think the government is at fault for everything, no matter what decision they make. different sides that don't agree. and if you can get things you desire, if you ever look into the system -- you cannot get things you desire, if you ever look into the system, was side is causing the other side not to get you what you think you want? if you are honest -- and i don't like to talk about anybody, but

you cannot put god into things that you think is wrong. god is a corrector. whatever god do is going to be right and you need to know that. if you are really a true believer in god, you don't only want to see things done good for you. you went to see ed for everybody -- you want to see it for everybody. you have to do it yourself. do you give anybody anything? do you go out and find someone you know needs something and help them? or do you sit there and think you need everything? i hear these things. i am an old guy. host: what did you do for a

living? caller: i worked for the government. i retired from the post office but i worked in public health and in many other entities. i have worked in schools. i am an ex marine. i joined the service at 18 years old. my family had every denomination and service and i chose to go to the marines at 18 years old to make sure my family had every -- host: you are at least 85 years old, correct? caller: i am 90. host: we showed this gallup poll that says government remains americans top problem in 2022. that said, in your service, do

you think the government is as responsive, better, worse, than it was when you were actively working in it? caller: since president biden became the president, he has done great things. i cannot see how people don't know this. the things he's done, bills he's passed, and he's just passed another. if you give him time -- he has not been in there that long. the lady speaking about trump, i don't know anything trump done right for anybody. trump loves himself. if you cannot understand a person that loves himself -- he hasn't put any money in your pocket. he hasn't done nothing for you. how can't you see this?

i don't know if you are in this world or in another world. host: stacy, as a 90-year-old, do you think president biden is too old to run for reelection? caller: no, because if you are a wise person, like i believe he is -- i don't know why you can't see this. i would want someone who has been in the government, not someone that had a show and that was all they ever did. i could be a better president myself and trump. because i have lived a hard life. he had a spoon in his mouth from his father taking care of him. he grew up rich. and now -- a rich person, if you

grow up rich, you never experience the life a poor person lives. host: we will have to leave it there. appreciate your time. happy new year to you. the washington post. the 10 worst things joe biden did in 2022. he presided over a plethora of disasters. our country experienced the worst inflation in 40 years, largest decline in real wages in four decades, highest gas prices ever recorded in the u.s., biggest annual rise in food prices, labor shortages, of the worst crime -- the worst crime wave in major cities since the 1990's, going on to say that one of the worst things joe biden did was call the election law jim crow 2.0. early voting shattered his

record for midterm elections, with black voters accounting for 29% of early voters. biden owes george an apology. number seven, the administration discharged thousands of troops for refusing coronavirus vaccination. the army fell short of its recruitment goals by 25% this year. pentagon officials worn the worst military recruitment crisis since the inception of the volunteer service. these are some of the things the columnist sees as the worst joe biden did in 2022. brenda, saint stephen, south carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. my year was easy, but it has gotten -- not easy, but it has gotten better. the gas prices are very low.

it hurts me to hear people come on the phone and complained about the vaccine and even what you just read about the military. my son is a police officer. his wife is a nurse. they have student loans through the years. my son called covid and almost died. people complain about the vaccine. it does help. it did help. more people would have been dead. he lied to start. another thing, i am angry about the situationthey pander peoplet they will do in the minute they get in the house, they're gonna see they won't do anything for them. they are all about revenge and hunter biden and laptop and they should be focusing on the needs of the people. if they have two more years it

will be another reckoning. as far as mccarthy, i don't think he should be speaking out, i'm a democrat, i think they should give liz cheney try five years -- they only care about the lobbyists and making money, they don't care about the poor people or nothing about people. a lot more republicans open up their eyes and see a donald trump, he be held accountable for the insurrection. any one of those politicians that took a part, they need to be held accountable as well. if they were an average citizen, they would have been in jail. the thing donald trump did and he still hadn't turned over those records and a lot of people say they want him to run again? how can you want him to run that has top-secret information. we have families in the military all over the world in danger. we don't know where the records

are what the records are. host: we will leave it there. the house is coming into session this morning. this will be the last day of this congress. at 9:00 a.m., it is called what is a pro forma session. it will be short but something significant will happen from that. from fox news, trump's tax return to be released by committee. former trump stats former president trump's tax returns are said to be released this friday according to the spokesperson for loud ways and means committee. the financial documents which should cover drums for years in the white house are widely expected to reveal insights into the state of trump's finances as he mounts a third bid for president in 2024. that is at 9:00 a.m. coming up next is author and former obama administration official juliette kayyem. her new book is part of

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age of disasters." juliette kayyem, is this a follow-up book to security mom, your book from 2016? guest: in some ways it is. security mom was trying to describe how homeland security was both about the homeland but also about the home and sort of the commonalities between what i did at home as a mother of three the same way i thought about risk and rick's -- and risk reduction and how i worked in the field. fast-forward to the devil never sleeps and what i did in the book is take the commonalities and extend them both in place in time, looking at hundreds of years of disasters across the globe and of all different sorts, climate, cyber, tragedy, terrorism, and of course the pandemic and also wanted to find commonalities.

i wanted to basically describe to readers the connective tissue amongst all these seemingly different chaotic we have no control over anything happening and say these things begin to look familiar over time and maybe that familiarity can give us common tools to as the subtitle says learn to live in an age of disaster -- learning to live in an age of disasters. i wanted to provide readers with the lessons of disasters and disaster management to reframe what success and how we might think of success and provide the common tools that can teach us to ironically fail safer. in other words, once the bad thing is happened, are there ways to minimize the harm? or in my technical terms make things less bad. it's an odd way to think of

success but i think that's a helpful way to think how we might manage disasters we are not going to be able to stop every time. host: could you spend a little more time on the fail safer onset you talk about and then i want to show this from the wall street journal this morning. it is a picture of downtown buffalo's snowstorm turned simple choices deadly. how -- can you talk about the concept and talk about how buffalo in a sense could have failed safer? guest: the concept of failing safer, people are familiar with the term failsafe, which is a mechanism in a complex system that essentially turns off the system so if it starts to show stress, you are basically ensuring the harm does not happen. we think a failsafe system -- i think of a massive generator system or electrical grid where

if there is pressure on an electrical grid it would shut off to ensure there is no harm done or catastrophic losses so fail safer is taking it a step further and looking at disaster management differently. we are a simple people and divide the world into essentially two phases. we either think of things as being right of boom or right of boom or essentially the left of boom aspects are all of the things we due to stop the bad things from happening and the bad thing is the devil, generic. i do not focus on this cyber thing or that pandemic, just think about the disruptive event, the boom. so those are all the things you do to try to stop at things from happening. i will make it simple, lock on the cox door, i simple solution to stop people from getting into a cockpit and causing harm. so that is essentially a way we try to stop the boom but, as we

know and as our lived experience shows us, and as the data also shows us we are not going to be successful in a society like ours of stopping all bad things from happening and then you end up on what we call the right side of the boom, trying to manage the losses. so i'm very much focused on that moment when we know the boom is there and we can either have put into place or managed the disaster in a way in which we are failing of course because the bad thing is already happening but we are minimizing the harm, loss of life, loss of harm, and the other things were seeing in buffalo, so what are the common things because this gets to buffalo? one of the important aspects of studying disasters is you learn from the past ones. in what we now know, especially in terms of climate harm, that

there is two important features that can help us to fail safer because you will not stop the bad things from happening. one is early alert systems and we are learning to be better on pandemic but whether it is earthquakes, there is technology giving citizens eight to 12 seconds that matters in an earthquake, tsunami warnings, think about the alert systems that give you seconds, and those matter. you can fail safer with even those seconds. so you want systems that will basically say the storm is essentially different and communicate out what those differences are, so that is key. i think buffalo was pretty successful in that regard. i became aware of what would happen to buffalo at least 36 to 48 hours before soou are communicating what you want people to do. the other is of course people have to take responsibility as well for their behavior.

i'm not blaming anyone. it is because we have learned from past disasters that people often don't die in snow, they do not die because of a hurricane, they do not die for the thing itself, they die after the fact because they are either in harm's way or they have not -- or they are going to die of something different. if i look at the data and it is still preliminary, many people die of carbon monoxide poisoning . that is different than dying of snow. the carbon monoxide poisoning's because you are either in your car in your home and your generator isn't working correctly and you don't know how to use it. in terms of what we can learn from this, that's all we have. we have agency, we are human beings who have agency. the best we can do is sometimes just doing better next time is can we get better about communicating, not the harms of snow which people tend to know

or say arcane but the harms that improve because of the after impact which is in this case carbon monoxide poisoning which is what we see in some of these cases so it is -- i do not want to say it is depressing. i try to be hopeful but in one way the title of the book, it is night -- it is not fatalistic, the devil never sleeps. in some ways i wanted to be empowering. at the beginning of the book, the phrase came to me in discussions with a woman from missouri, a lot of people watching in parts of the country they get tornadoes. missouri was -- had a tornado that killed about over 100 people in a small town and in my world, i get invited back -- i get invited to bad things and then back about a year later

celebration to show the community survived and one of the women -- the woman in charge of rethinking this after the devastation of the tornado was optimistic and hopeful. she is very religious but she viewed her religion as tactical, that god had given human beings agency to do better so i said how are you so optimistic? this horrible thing happened. she said i live in tornado country and the devil never sleeps but he only wins if we don't do better next time. it was that thought that i can't stop all bad things from happening or woe is me and all of the bad things in our society, bad people and bad viruses and bad weather and everything, i can't stop that bum may be my contribution is i can help people to learn to do better next time.

host: when you talk about the book, you talk about the event, what can we do to predict it and plan for it and afterwards to recover from it. is that a fair way of looking at it? guest: yes. that's how we think about it, we think of the boom and the boom is not like anything, it is a crisis, it has a definition, a disruption to the core of a system, and here's the difference -- or here's what makes a crisis a crisis, in which your response time is limited. we throw out the word crisis all the time, climate crisis, the crisis of our economy, the crisis of xyz. people like me are pretty careful about how we use the term because how we define it is you are -- is your response time to minimize harm is limited. it's different than i talk about

a hurricane is a climates but crisis -- climate is essentially a public policy problem. it's those features that are the boom and the boom can take -- the devil can take any form. i think we tend to get focused on how do we get better about cyber and how do we get better about climate and how to get better about all these different things. maybe they have commonalities or i believe our response to them have commonalities, they will not be perfect and that is why i do not talk about failing safe, i talk about failing safer. there will be some harm, some consequences, and your measure of success is, for example, do i have a pandemic that kills one point whatever million americans as compared to one that has a much more manageable and certainly would have been achievable fatality rate, so

that is how we think about the boom that as we say your runway is short. either extend your one-way or be ready to act in real time and those are familiar. that is my optimism, that we actually -- it begins to look the same. host: let's look at a private enterprise crisis and, if you were advising southwest airlines are now -- [laughter] what would you tell them and how would you define their situation? guest: so i want to get out of all of the -- it is horrible, i'm not minimizing it. one of the things is because i look at complex systems, you realize this is a phase in which there will be oversight and payments and horror stories for people who were not able to be together, who lost luggage, or worse. i read a story about a guy who cannot get into his transplant

surgery. so southwest tells us things will get back to normal today so this is where people like me can step in and this is how i look at it and these things were no. so southwest excuses that this was just a really bad storm. first of all, they are all really bad storms now. the idea climate is somehow a surprise to us or catastrophic climate event is ridiculous. we have to begin to prepare for them. there are two things that i know the systems and i knew southwest problems before that i look at in terms of what'll i want to fix quickly for southwest? or begin to fix quickly. the first is it is clear to me that they -- and this is one of the chapters, know where your fire is. fire fighters, their number one focus is what is -- where the fire?

it's what we call situational awareness. where is the fire and am i safe? . i talk about do you know what is going on in real time and are you able to respond. these are systems that individuals can put into place before but certainly a company like southwest should have known, so it is clear to me looking at all i have been reading is that southwest had no real-time situational awareness about what was happening to the system in real time so -- i'm part of that is how they are structured in terms of they do not have a hub system and i will get into that next. what i would do is do you have a technology communications is what we call -- situational will awareness capacity, that you are getting real-time data telling you the system is going down. what will that do? you then can then tell your employees stay put and your

passengers stay put. to me what became objectionable about -- amongst much objection is they were still having passengers arrive at i courts -- at airports. they know the planes are not going so that is something they can get better on. simply as a management issue and not fair to your customers, also fair to your employees that where we have seen the videos are getting yelled at because passengers are so frustrated and also, don't yell at the flight attendants. it is not their fault. the second, it is clearly a system that was built before southwest grew to the extent it did and could not sustain what we would call sort of band-aid or piecemeal fixes. so southwest is cheaper, people like it, and in the past it was

always fixable over time. part of what southwest at in terms of how it is built is it built itself on a point-to-point system, so for viewers, think of you have airplane a in denver, planning to go to chicago, new york, miami, dallas, back to denver and it is in this point by point system, it will never go to a hub to restock, be replaced or whatever. so it is -- if denver gets disrupted, you've got a line in which there is no capacity to help those people in the other cities. you do not have other planes, you do not have a hub, you do not have surge capacity, you do not have planes on standby. so they have been fine relatively fine with this system. they are not as big as other mystic airlines and because their flights tend to be shorter and particular geographic areas so they could have minor disruptions and get back.

the problem is when you have major disruptions. compare that to other airlines, as we know which have various subs and they don't have a single hub, they have multiple places in which basically they have surge capacity. those airplanes are not going a, b, c, d, e, they are going a comet to see, to see, to be, to d, to be. airlines do this so if jurisdiction a is screwed up and you cannot deal with that, you still have other what we call hub and spokes, you still have other spokes that can survive and keep people moving. that is an airlines job. so business is essentially a structural defect that is -- this is a structural defect that is known and can be fixed. that is what we should take out of a, how are we going to fix this? in my book i talk about the architecture of disaster, that

how we are built often impacts whether we can learn to fail safer and southwest knew the way it was built with this system of which you have no way of helping passengers in city b, c, d, and e because your first city is now down. they knew beforehand, they knew the system could not adapt and there is technology, resources for them to begin to fix their ways because if they want to grow, and other words a smaller airlines can certainly -- kate baer can survive going back and forth the cape or places in new england but southwest grew and it wanted to grow and it has been really successful. their response bill young airport now make the system work

for their growth. host: the book is called "the devil never sleeps: learning to live in an age of disasters." the author is former obama administration official juliette kayyem. we will begin taking your calls on this topic that we have been discussing. (202) 748-8000 in the east and central time zone, (202) 748-8001 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. you can also send a text message. please include your first name and city if you would to (202) 748-8003, area code 202. what was your role in the obama administration? what are you doing now? caller: i was a second -- guest: i was a secretary for intergovernmental affairs, the point of contact for the 50 states, cities, tribal nations and territories. the job made a lot of sense for me because i had previously been a stay-at-home land security

advisor. i had been one of the people that i coordinated with an federal government. as that type of advisor you oversee strategic planning response of the state agencies in any crisis disaster or even a mega event so that involves -- i was gone by the time the boston marathon planning which everyone came to understand later and i think was once again relatively successful. we did not stop the bombing from happening but the response, we failed safer. so i did that for a couple years, the big issues in the obama administration at that time from -- remember h1n1 was our first crisis through the bp oil spill, haiti, not fun but all sorts of things in which i was working for janet napolitano. i came back to cambridge and i'm here now and then i went back to cambridge. i'm on the faculty at the kennedy school where i teach in

crisis management. i'm the faculty chair of the homeland security program there. my goal is to provide a forum teaching research, all the sort of things reflected in my book around taking homeland security risk reduction, failing safer, seriously, because it's an important feel as we now know for our nation and world. having gone through a pandemic, i am still on cnn and contribute frequently to the land take and a lot of private consulting as well for companies. not southwest but for similarly situated companies that are in complex logistics, complex supply chain, helping them to be ready for the boom, so that if it happens, they can minimize harm to not just their

reputation but obviously to the communities they serve. host: you talked about people having agency over their own lives in responsibility for protecting them but what is the role in your view of government and do you think the homeland security structure we currently have in the u.s. works? guest: in the book i sort of take the world as it is, not as i wanted to be and try to make it sightly better so it's not a book that will solve climate change but it will help you live through climate change in a sense that i sort of long ago stopped fighting, you know, the department, is it the thing that is going to solve everything? no. the department of homeland security. i think it provides a valuable function. i think it has two diversified

-- too diversified in its focus. it is a border and immigration agency as we know and an emergency management agency as we have seen through fema, a lot of other stuff it is involved with i would shed. i think other agencies can be good at that. and i'm sorry the third piece would the of course cyber and cyber protection, so that is what i would do in terms of its focus, making sure its people know it is focused on sort of three core and important issues for risk minimization in the homeland. in terms of the role of government, of course, it is government's responsibility. it is the primary response. it is why we agree to consent to government is to protect us from safety and harm.

so putting into place a sophisticated response, safety and security apparatus is its responsibility so i do not excuse government when it screws up. government is complemented by all sorts of all other actors. we call them stakeholders, including u.s. citizens who can help government respond better by also, if they can, taking into account their own safety and security. risk minimization is all it is. for example, if you have a gun and you are a responsible gun owner and you have kids, it is as simple as get a safety box. i'm not going to solve the second amendment problem in a day but i can certainly learn to minimize the risk. when i look at numbers and see how kids are getting killed today, it is active shooter's and all the things happening in

terms of that but a lot of it is handguns in homes that are not secured. so for parents watching now whose politics may be different than mine, i think we can agree protecting children is a common goal and take responsible steps to protect our children, so a lot of this empowerment in the book -- here is what major institutions can do, a southwest, abp, any number of the companies i mentioned in the book, here's what the companies can do to minimize risk but here is also what you can do to complement it. i want to make something clear back to the architecture point. i think a lot about how things are built and this is just a reflection of the united states. america, constitutionally, was built on safe.

we had to deal with our constitutional structure as we deal with crisis. this became apparent during the pandemic. we are a nation which has obviously a strong federal government but the 10th amendment reserves a lot of authority to the states, including governors and mayors, and a lot of that authority is in the public safety and public health realm. we know governors and therefore mayors control their police department, they control their public health departments, so i federal government that goes to war so to speak with states and localities will find itself failing as i think the trump administration did because the muscle exists at that more tactical state level. the idea the federal government is the solution is simply the architecturally not true, at the

local level, tribal level, territorial, and state level, the tremendous amount of authority and capacity exists there as well. host: julie is our guest. cindy is our first call. go ahead, cindy. caller: yes, i live in the most densely populated county in florida, which is pinelles county. i have also seen documentaries of how this county will be completely wiped out if we ever get the eye of a cat five hurricane. they continue and continue to build multi-families. we have one million people and counting on this tiny peninsula. there are only four ways out of here going north. each one spilling over into millions also escaping the wrath

of the hurricane. what can you do for pinellas county to stop this out-of-control growth and putting people in the path of a category five hurricane? host: thank you, cindy, we got the point. guest: i wanted to ask her what was the last major hurricane you encountered. i'm guessing what it is but what was the last major incident there? host: you will have to ask rhetorically because she is gone, i apologize. guest: this is important in terms of both good news and bad news. so there are good things happening both in terms of climate change, risk reduction, and we have seen big pieces of news recently about alternatives to fossil fuels and other energy

capacity. these are long-term capacity -- long-term solutions. i don't want people to look at what is happening to the world and think all is doomed. we are not a doom to species, we have a capacity to also fix ourselves and learn to manage better. so the idea that all is lost is completely, simply not true. but there are parts of this country that we have to begin to admit may no longer be inhabitable, at least for the short term, and make our public policy adapt and make it easier for people individually to make those calculations. so to be specific, how are disaster relief system, our zoning system, everything, is based still on a believe

disasters are random and rare. in other words they are -- we distribute funds to communities at a bad thing happening, say hurricane. we distribute funds to communities and say let's get back to normal, you build your home, we feel so bad. you lost your home, we will give you money through disaster relief to rebuild it. democrats and republicans alike act irresponsibly when a disaster hits their community because of course they want money going to their community. so let's take a deep breath and look at the system under something called the stafford act that i described in the book which is we can no longer view disasters as random and rare. how would you want to spend the money after say a community is devastated or as part of a stimulus package or all of this

money going to communities now under the important efforts by the biden support infrastructure ? you would want to ensure that people are building in a way that is responsible for the community and climate that they live in. unfortunately we do not do that. we pass out checks still in disaster management. we are getting better about it. if i were to do anything to help communities like st. petersburg and others that use these funds after say flooding or whatever else in anticipation of a major storm, let's use that money not to build the same get your house back to normal but to build it in a way that maybe you go to another home, called managed retreat. maybe you move your home back, maybe you lift it up, maybe you move your -- if you are a hospital, maybe you move things so they are elevated. we can learn to adapt, we just

need to put the resources behind it and we are still stuck as i described in the book and a mindframe that still acts surprised at these disasters. this is the one thing i cannot sort of fathom say from southwest or even communities that live in hurricane zones. these should no longer surprising. we need to anticipate the disruption and figure out how do we respond in a way that can communicate clearly, provide resources, safe human lives. host: from your book you write so much of our discourse about disasters focuses on the past and why we did not prevent them or on the future and how to stop them from happening again but we live in an age of disasters, they are here and not going away. there will be tragedies but they will be tragedies made less tragic if we commit to sustain preparedness to minimize their

conflict. john in virginia, please go ahead with your question or comment. caller: thank you, good morning. guest: good morning. caller: is there any chapters in your book referring to the way the united states culture or government seems to be thumbing their nose at god recently? all we hear is about transgender, drag shows, gay marriage, mutilation of children, asking first-graders what gender they want to be. even the fact that there is more than three genders. host: i think we got the point. i think it is a little off topic. let's move on to tony in upper marlboro maryland. tony, please go ahead with your question or comment for juliette kayyem, """ the devil never sleeps" is the name of the book. caller: good morning. i think this is relevant.

around 2009 to 2010, i believe it was the homeland security director put out a report about the attempts by far right domestic extremist for veterans and things with military screens and that sort of things. it was politicized by right wing media and other publicans associate backtracked or had to apologize on some of it, which was to bed, but here we are, however many elite -- many years later and the current fbi director in the former trump homeland security director both said the number one threat to the homeland is that. so sort of going through your point about situational awareness, where do you think -- what are your thoughts on that and how can we begin to correct

or address it host: host: thank you, sir. caller: that's great and -- host: thank you, sir. guest: that's great and i do address it. in the first days of the obama administration, there was an effort to begin to focus our efforts, not to disrupt bad thought or political thought but simply on the rise of what -- i want to be clear, violent right-wing extremism. i've been very clear over the last couple years in my writings, you can have the worst thoughts in the world, i could care less. it is the violence piece that then becomes a threat to americans let alone american democracy. that -- first of all it was the early days of anyone really talking about this but it was real. obama was the first -- president

obama was the first african-american president. we thought a threat stream focus on him and his family, there was this rising hatred. fast forward and this does not go away over the course of the obama administration and trump administration. it then takes off and why is that? to be clear, these thoughts are finding comfort, collusion, cooperation, and support online. in other words, i do not believe in lone wolf's and i have written a piece called there are no more lone wolves. the idea these guys are sitting alone in becoming radicalized and walking into a supermarket in buffalo to shoot people, this is not how it happens. they are finding a culture of hate that is supported amongst

like-minded people, a don, and that is why responsible social media platforms have been focused on what we call content control. this is the big debate, it is not because you want to silence right-wing thought or left-wing thought, it is because the data is clear that a certain kind of violent extremism is finding a safe haven on lined and will become radicalized. that is one piece of it. the other is the nature of a political discourse today. i will not deny there are left-wing elements that promote violence. what i can tell you is to compare that to a former and at that time sitting president, what we would call nurturing violent extremism, and maybe even directing as a january 6 report certainly comes to the

conclusion of, of violent extremism. you cannot compare those things and it is that nurturing of the hate, whether both sides, and nazi-ism, or asking people to be violent that we have never seen before. it has fostered and grown. you cannot deny it. there is no comparison to it. i do not to both sides. there is a left-wing violence problem, but it pales in comparison to an apparatus led by former president that is supporting and nurturing violence. let me do the good news. this is solvable. once again, i was in the twitter world and lived, people know my college take -- my politics. if you take successes only if the world all got along or all americans got along, you will be

waiting a long time. we are a noisy, messy, dysfunctional country with lots of opinions and some of them are horrific. we survived lots of horrific thoughts. what we need to focus on is the violent element. what i have seen in my research in the work i do and writings i do is there is a lot of good news out there as well, the terror groups like the oath keepers or proud boys are completely disrupted, they are turning on each other, their leadership has been convicted of pretty serious crimes, they will spend time in jail, they find it hard to recruit, hard to raise money. trump is semi-isolated, he is still wildly popular but to say he has the strength to move people like you once did, he cannot fill a room anymore in terms of his support, so i think it is important for people who

worry about the violent element to know that a strategy to put into jail people who showed up january 6 horta them, a lot of people found them at the wrong place at the wrong moment to convict and prosecute the leader of terror organizations, to minimize the harm of its leadership, in this case the radicalism that has given comfort i think by elements of trumpism and also finally to provide an offering for those whose political viewpoints you may not agree with. i certainly do not, of people who voted for trunk, but i think we have a common belief that violence cannot be part of our democratic dialogue, so if you focus on the violence rather than making everyone agree with

you, we are seeing lots of offramp paying, opportunities for republican leadership as the january 6 committee showed to average voters who has we saw were unwilling to vote for people who were election deniers. i am much more optimistic than say i would've even been an early 2021 that we can minimize the strength of violence as an extension of politics that became favored within the right-wing movement and also within elements of trumpism. host: we talked about the government's role in planning for and reacting to crises, catastrophes, disasters. we have talked about private

enterprise role on each side but i want to bring in one more element for you and this is the gallup poll saying for the seventh year in the past decade, americans named dissatisfaction with the government as the nation's top problem in 2022, an average of 19% of u.s. adults mentioned some aspect of the government as a most important problem facing the country and edges ouch inflation, high cost of living, and the economy and immigration it's a tried such row. guest: that's right. i looked at that polling. a couple things, people don't like chaos. they like stability, and most people do not live in the world you and i live then, they just went to live their lives and raise kids and be happy and commit to their communities and their faith and literally, so that chaos that comes from

politics, why wasn't there a red wave? the data i looked at in the last election shows a lot of people were voting not about democracy, they were voting about ending chaos and stability. governments have a response ability to behave in a certain way. people look at d.c. and say things like we are worried about the government. they like their parish president, they tend to have dinner with their mayor. the tribal governments are saying local government, where the boom happens, boone being the disruption, actually people feel a lot better about in terms of its capacity to function because it is not part of this horrible noise. that is not always true. school districts, some school

district have become radicalized but if we can focus on supporting local capacity in a disaster or harm, managed by the state and -- stay and helped by the federal government, this is how disasters work. the locals respond, the state coordinates, and federal government supports. that is how our government works, how our government functions. so that is what i have focused on now, that our local capacity to assert control over how we build, how we respond, how we communicate, is still doable. one of the challenges of the world i live in is, when it works, nobody cares ear as we call it, the preparedness

paradox. every day communities are facing disruptions, crisis ease, disasters, maybe not as big as buffalo, and because of the ingenuity of local governments and communities in private sector and ngos in churches and mosques and synagogues, communities come together and respond. when that happens, because there is not a major disruption, people tend not to focus on it. they do not think this is a good thing, right? the more we prepare the better we do, the less our preparations seem necessary and that is why we call it the preparedness paradox so you are never going to get a good news story out of a disaster or -- disaster management system that worked. my book focuses on the good news stories because we never tell them. maybe rightfully so but our eyes are always focused on for example fukushima, a nuclear facility that had a radiation

leak after there was an earthquake and tsunami and disrupts and has radiation leak, massive evacuation, people are not allowed to be near the facility for some period of time. we never talk about a similar facility and i want to make sure i get my dates right, in owning, in 2011, a similar facility, about 30 kilometers from fukushima, that was prepared to fail safer, it did see the waters rushing in after the earthquake and tsunami in japan. it knew how to fail safer, it it would suffer a catastrophic disruption and, because of preparation and planning, they were able to shut the nuclear facility down. so fukushima, they lived in delusion that there would never be harm to nuclear facilities. fukushima does not fail safer, radiation leak, we never hear

about on a gala. so i do a lot on only gala -- what did they do right so that we can do better next time? what they did right was a plan for a disruption, they had the power of their people in the front line to make decisions, even if sometimes the decisions were wrong, so the guys at the nuclear facility, as they see the waters rush in, they knew they were losing control of the facility and shut it down. there was no radiation leak. in the world i live in, earthquake bad, tsunami bad, but if i choose between a nuclear facility that has radiation leaks and one that merely cannot function anymore, still closed but no radiation leak, i'm choosing the less bad option. that is how you judge success. host: eight minutes left with our guest, juliette kayyem. doreen in baton rouge, think you for holding, you are on the air. caller: hi, how are you?

guest: i'm very good, thank you. caller: it is kind of a two-part question for you. i believe the proof is in the pudding and i wanted to know if you agree. the recent disaster in buffalo, all those poor people, and i hear you saying the local governor or mayor is responsible for their area and they did not do a good job. they were warned for many days that this would be something that never happened and people lost their lives and to me they were not prepared, and recently, the florida situation with the horrific hurricane, the governor did an excellent job and everyone is saying that, that he saved lives, it was amazing, he knew it was a storm, was going

to be a record storm, and all the states that our democratic have disasters. host: i think we have -- what i thing we get the point. compare contrast a flow and the hurricane in and compare them. guest: i want to talk about hurricane ian because we are starting to get the interesting data out of it. it was a catastrophe. when you look at disasters over time, americans have become pretty good at hurricane management. it is of course that is not always true, hurricane maria is an exception about what happened to puerto rico but on the continental united states, as i looked at the last 10 to 12 years, because of our sophistication and local state and federal capacity,, we were good at notifying communities, telling them what they needed to do, communities became familiar with what they need to do so you call evacuation's or have people stay inside and things like that.

so that is what is important to remember. when i look at fatality rates of hurricanes over the last decade, most people were not dying because of what we call the hurricane, people tend not to die in hurricanes. they are dying of what is happening after, and the terminology in my field and it can sound crude and i don't mean it to it is called stupid death and it is not about the people. stupid death or death that could have been avoided because it did not happen in the moment of the hurricane, it happened after. these deaths as we have come to explain them are those that in hurricanes, most of them were happening because of carbon monoxide poisoning. that is just clear, the data was clear. so emergency managers then began to adapt to this reality, people were not dying in the hurricane, they were dying because their generators were not set up well,

educating people and carbon monoxide. we can learn over time about how to do better. what we are seeing about hurricane ian is that plans actually were pretty good. and where leaders did not follow their plans is when people die. how do i know this? in the counties that delayed their own evacuation orders, their plans told them to evacuate their community for whatever reason they second-guessed it. those communities had higher fatality rates of elderly who were dying by drowning, so what does that mean to me? why are people dying from drowning? we know how to deal with this, we know how to evacuate people. it is because those plans were second-guessed, they were not utilized. this is lee county in particular so i don't think the story about ian is everything went well. there are some communities in which we know based on the data,

people would have survived had the plans been followed. part of this is learning from these past mistakes and getting better next time. when are we evacuating communities and are we telling communities most at risk, the elderly at this case hurricane, because they were drowning in their apartments, could we get them out more quickly? then there's a little tough love. i will tell a story that really does work. we talk in terms of freedom in america and i love freedom and it is great and if you do not want to evacuate we cannot force you to evacuate but what we have found in emergency management, if you put the fear of god and people, maybe they will evacuate. one of the tactics and this is not to scare people, it is useful, that people on islands say do not evacuate. what we now do is we ask them to

put their name and social security number with a sharpie pen on their arm. why is that? because you cannot deploy safety, you cannot deploy emergency managers to areas that are in the midst of a hurricane. your sim plea not going to risk your emergency managers to say people who refuse to evacuate. what we have found is once that reality is put in people's face, that that is what it means to assert your freedom and not evacuate, a lot of people are willing to and i think that is good. i think a little tough love by government is good, it tells people the stakes to themselves and to their children are real and whatever ideology keeps them put or tells them not to do something, they should really think about the safety and security of their community. as a parent, i do not find the most successful conversations being one in which i tell my kids that it is right or wrong, they have different standards. it is telling them about their

own safety and how something they are doing can cause harm to themselves or their friends. host: juliette kayyem has been our guest, the former obama administration official whose most recent book is the devil never sleeps -- book is "the devil never sleeps: learning to live in an age of disasters." this is part of the "washington journal"'s annual authors we program and we appreciate your time.

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caller: i would just like to say

a few things. i was wondering the lady that was on just recently, i'm not sure who she knows her audiences. i say that because when she starts to talk, she starts to drop things about political issues and stuff like that, a book that she writes she should know her audience and what she needs to say to stand the test of time. what she's saying sounds good but it should apply to 100 years ago or 50 years ago without dropping names.

we want to know what is really going on, we can handle it. we are tired of having to sit through all this/. host: all right, denise thank you for your thoughts. caller: i would have liked to talk to the lady talking about the disasters what i would like to say is the disaster that could be coming in the future, china has bought up the farmlands.

i saw a documentary that china was starting to spray the farmlands with pesticides and fertilizers. right next to military bases, strategic military bases could china fill these drones with powdered fentanyl that's coming across these borders? is government looking into this and could this be a possible disaster in the future? that's what i'm looking at. they can run semi-'s into towns and spray the towns and cities and everything else. are they looking into how you can neutralize it or how they can capacity the military bases? i'm going to let the people take it from there in government. just something i have been thinking about for a while. host: thank you, sir. carl, pittsburgh, good morning. caller: yes sir, good morning.

host: go ahead. caller: i want to talk about the biden administration. host: carl, turned on the volume on your tv. we are all listening, let's try ingrid. good morning, you are on the "washington journal". caller: good morning and happy new year. i hope for a healthier, wiser new year for all of us. i'm 73 years old i've just been kind of thinking about my life and the politics i have never been a real political person until recently, but i noticed people talk about how bad the government is something that

really has stayed with me for many years is back during reagan's time, now he was elected twice and people thought of him as a god almost. the interest rates were more than today. i think they were up to 12% or something and the gas lines and everything was just terrible but they voted him in twice. they weren't complaining about the government being bad. people my age, i don't know why they don't comment and say i think it is not as bad. inks go up and things go down -- things go up and things go down. we have to adjust and maybe take a better look at ourselves, that

we get along with family members . i just wish everyone could quit blaming the government. blame the government, blame the government. they weren't blaming the government under reagan. thank you very much. host: ingrid in pensacola florida this is from the daily mail. quote nobody works, nobody gives a damn" eat blames socialism for capitalism for putting obstacles in the way of entrepreneurial success. the cofounder of home depot slams and says people don't want to work anymore.

bernie marcus leaves the success the company he began in 1978 couldn't happen today because of people standing in the way of the business community. he said in an interview with the financial times i don't know that we could go further. marcus was unequivocal in calling joe biden the worst president of the history of the country. the worst people have taken over the world, he also looks to how human resources executives, socialist harvard grads, a harvard, lawyers, and accountants as obstacles to entrepreneurial success in 2022. bill calling in from newfield, new jersey. what is a public policy issue that is on your mind? my doing is that the

republican party and democratic party -- two corrupt organizations in the congress. excuse me. let me clear my throat. i think this next presidential election listen i would love to learn more about return limits from the congress and the senate. and the american people -- [indiscernible] there should also be a box on the ballot for the majority of the people in the country become the law. [indiscernible] they want to impose a time limit on themselves. if we can get that done, the country [indiscernible]

we keep electing the same people and causing problems. host: that is a bill in newfield new jersey. term limits is his issue today. we have a color from idaho, republican line. what is on your mind today -- we have a caller from idaho, republican line, what is on your mind today? caller: i remember a farewell speech of the morning about the industrial complex having an influence in the government. this concerned me, but my reason for calling, you said in the house when it convenes today that they may read x president trump's tax returns in the --

former president trump's tax returns in the record. did that happen? host: yes when you heard the committee reports being introduced into the congressional record one of the reports was the release of the truck tax return. -- trump tax return. caller: and the rest were bills that are already okayed and it was just -- host: i do not know the whole list of bills they listed. but they introduced a lot of reports into the congressional. caller: do you recall the number of that resolution. host: i apologize to you, i don't. i am sure our producers will get on it. we are looking for new stories about it now. hopefully, we can update you before the end of the show at 10:00 a.m. we have a caller from nashville, georgia.

democrat. how are you? caller: i'm doing good how are you. my call is brief and short. i am seeing all these people calling in they are concerned about the economy. to me, the economy is rebounding and doing great. but it takes time for the government to get back to the way it once used to be. and another think i would like to take to all my brothers and sisters out there, stop putting faith in them. if you trust in the lord, jesus christ. the bible says put faith in no man, only the lord, jesus christ. and we have a law about the stuff we commit to our minds and we are being misled. until we get back into our own bible and start to love each

other like christ says, we will always be down. to all my brothers and sisters out there, stop putting your faith in man. read your bible. pray and talk to the lord jesus christ. love one another. host: how is the year 2022 for you? caller: it was good because i put my faith in the lord, jesus christ. i do not trust in man, i trust in god. host: thank you for calling in joyce in mobile, alabama independent line you are on the washington journal good morning to you. caller: good morning to you. i was listening to the author talking about her book the devil never sleeps earlier and i agree -- i agree with that completely. but we expect there to be a handout from the government when we have climate change issues.

i believe the government should help, but what i recall is having come from hurricane areas, that they do not handout money anymore in the way she sounded like she was saying. because people are expected to use their insurance. if they have insurance they use that to recoup their house. but also, i know that fema does not give out money. people have to take out loans through the fda to recoup their losses. the government is not handing out money to the people to rebuild their homes. they give money to the state governments to assist, but i believe the money is being used for things like infrastructure more so than it is for people's personal losses. i was sort of taking an issue with that. host: thank you for calling and what do you do in mobile, alabama. caller: i am retired now which

is a great thing that i used to be in information technology. host: thank you. nancy, houston, texas. you're on the washington journal, what is going on? caller: i am concerned because every time you hear something on your line, you cut the people off. we know you are a democrat your whole station is democrat. you know, i am sick and tired of you not letting people express their feelings. if you do not like something, you hit a button and cut them off. other people can talk for hours, it is not fair. stop doing it. we know you are a democrat station, get over it. host: that was nancy in houston up next is richard in greensboro, north carolina. happy new year to you richard. what is on your mind? caller: i could not agree with

errol more that we should all put our faith in jesus christ, but my concern for the new year is may we get to the bottom of finding out more about how the vaccines caused myocarditis and when we find out, which i'm pretty sure at this point it was delivered intentionally to the population plan because of all the government entitlement programs. they were trying to find a way to not have to pay all of the social security -- all these benefits. it is a calling of us as a society -- a calling of us as a society. it has got to be, because they are still advertising on national station and at games we know it is -- hurting people and they are still pushing it. can you explain to me why that

is? host: why do you think that is, richard? caller: i gave those instances. but what of their situation would sit -- isn't the government role to protect its citizens? they say birth rates are falling at unbelievable rates. what else is different? it is heartbreaking that so many people who still trust our government and media to tell them the truth that they see these commercials and may say oh, i need to go get another shot. all the while, the information is suppressed. this is just like cigarettes. at one time, you have doctors saying, excuse me, cigarettes are good for you. years later, we come to find out, oh no, it causes cancer. there we are, a year and a half in and they are still running commercials. host: my guess is from what you

said you did not get any of the vaccines is that correct? caller: yes. host: and you got covid? caller: yes. host: how was it? caller: it was horrible. but guess what i took to get better? ivermectin. the hate for trump was so great that when he said that his horse t warmer, but they actually -- horse wormer, but they actually now say it is another source of care. but it is heartbreaking that there are still commercials that you have to do your part after bay took one whole half of the society and -- after they took one whole half of the society because they have grandmother that didn't get the shot. you find out now, you have

funeral home people who were checking on their embalming machines because they could not push the fluid through the bodies because of some bony substance was in people's veins. host: i'm going to show an article now. felt she looks ahead to life after government. -- dr. fauci's ahead to life after government. what is your opinion of him? caller: it been around a while -- he has been a round a wild. when we were in school, they taught us, that science is a constant questioning, but under the circumstance, if you question, you were misogynist, racist, they basically made it out -- and he was the leader, that any questioning of emergency authorized vaccines that we were wrong to question

it. just get it, do not ask anything. i think the trials two point oh needs to occur so we can get to the bottom of it. -- 2.0 needs to occur so we can get to the bottom of it. the have various unfair relationships with the pharmaceutical industry. host: we will leave it there. greensboro, north carolina. we appreciate your time. in the new york times today dr. fauci looks ahead to the life after government area he wants to promote science and public service and prayer -- write a memoir. the walls of his home office of -- are adorned of him drawn and painted by many of his fans. the most striking one is by the singer joan in. and they became good friends over the years. dr. val g seemed uncomfortable -- dr. fauci seemed

uncomfortable with people knowing about the paving, the far right attacked him as an egomaniac. if someone goes to getting a portrait of himself, he would feel like a disrespecting man if he discarded it. it was a revealing glimpse into the psyche of america's most loved and hated dr. as he wraps up half a century of government. after saturday, president biden's medical advisor, and director of the national institute of infectious diseases -- allergy and infectious diseases will no longer be a government employee. he turned 82 on christmas eve and he says he may be retiring, but he will not go away he hopes to do public speaking with universities. and to treat patients with a medical center. he intends to write a memoir and

wants to encourage people to pursue careers in science, medicine, and public service. republicans will take control of the house early next month. we will see to it that he does not slip out of the public eye. we promised to investigate his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. and call him to capitol hill to testify. he has every intention of showing up and has nothing to hide. the aids in -- epidemic to covid-19 he has been the public face of american science advising seven decade -- seven presidents along the way. in his home office, they will have a full interview in the new york times. if you're are interested in reading it. we have a color from new jersey. go ahead. caller: god bless you all. i was thinking about my grandfather i was born in 1942, he would say he, he worked for

the government, he had three jobs, for children. he said get into a government job. i did not know what that meant, because i was a kid. i have not yet done that, but i am burdened with something that happened in the board of elections in the last election. my ballot was not able to be delivered to my po box. where i have been living with my brother-in-law's mother's home i was caring for her. i never got a ballet. they told me i had to go to the board of elections fill it out and put it in the box. that was before the tuesday. i went on monday, to do that. and when i got there, they told me you were too late. i send what you mean i am too late it is 3:15 nobody told me there was a cut off time. another woman comes from another office.

wild kind of she said you have to go before of the -- judge to vote. a set what is going on here? and another lady behind the desk said where are you living? they looked up my former address and they said you have to go to holiday city and you have to go to community area of their because now i am downtown. host: hey before you go through all the details of your odyssey, can you give us your conclusion on what happened? caller: wait a minute, what i witnessed in that office, there was a lot of resident people who never got their ballot. it is unbelievable that i got to witness a damage of incoming calls. where is my ballot? where's my ballot? where my ballot? and i am thinking what is going on here? i was overwhelmed with having to

drive somewhere else to go vote. they would not let me vote at the board of elections which they told me i could do on the friday before the tuesday. i went on the monday and they told me i was too late. i know god put me they are because he does not put me anywhere and less there is a plan. and i was there to witness the wrongdoing. it says righteousness absorbs the nation. my people perish from lack of knowledge. it is horrible what is going on in the world, and i am going to be, god willing, 81 in april. i am not sitting down. rosa parks was told to get up while i will not sit down. host: that is a color from palms river, new jersey from the republican line. the associated press is reporting about the tax returns being entered into the congressional record in the house today. democrat in congress six years of former president donald

trump's tax returns. a culmination of an effort to learn about the finances of the one-time business from decades of political norms. he refused to voluntarily release the information. the returns include reactions, some are personal, information on social security and bank account numbers, they are from 2015 until 2020. the release follows the party-line vote. last week, they voted to make the returns public, democrats argued transparency and the rules of law are at stake while republicans countered that the release would set dangerous precedents for the loss of privacy protections. trump refused to release his returns when he ran for president. and he waged a legal battle. he conceded while he was in the white house, but the supreme court ruled last month that he has to turn them over.

and that is the first story from the associated press that we have about this. we will monitor this while the journal is on the air. cedar hill, texas. independent what is on your mind? caller: thank you for taking my call. i do agree when the founder of home depot with regard to the way in which wilkins is destroying america. and the world wrinkly. --frankly. i would add communist views have been consistent in our country for a long time. it has worked in a incremental way. every time we put communist and socialist on notice, the media has come back to really flip the table. the mccarthy era they did the same thing with gary water where

they called him an older conservative in the 60's and extremist when he was the most balanced senator and office at the time. and they do so now whenever trump did the state of union address he said america will not be a socialist country. america celebrated that, now what are they doing? they are trying to prevent him from ever being an office again. they are trying to demonize the word maga republicans. and they have slandered it they have done it since the first time he ran for office in 2016. every time in american history, we rise up and put socialist types on notice, the media comes back in full force to flip the tables and demonize those who are on to what they are doing. and the whole thing is -- i

think it is getting worse before it gets better. host: that is chad and cedar hill, texas. we have bill in indiana next. high. . caller: yes i hear from these people you have practitioners spilling nonsense all over the airways. that guy that talked about ivermectin a while ago there is non--- not one medical professionals that suggests that people should take ivermectin for covid. he is killing people. you should have taken him off immediately. and what are you getting on here, you get practitioners, just crazy people. what is the matter with the right side of our system?

so tony, do you call that -- host: tony, do you call that disinformation? caller: absolutely. host: d believe that should be shut down? caller: yes. it is dangerous for people. host: who gets to define dangerous? caller: if it will kill people it is dangerous if they take ivermectin for covid they could possibly die. just because he survived it he did not survive because he took ivermectin. host: that is tony and our next call is joel in pennsylvania. republican line you are on the washington journal what is the policy on your mind? caller: i have a couple of comments. to respond to the first thing, one of my brother-in-law's list

-- they allowed him to take hydrochloricin when he was in the hospital he did not have to go on the been a later. now my comment, good disaster preparation depends on removing obstacles to infrastructure development. mostly regulations. the regulations that prevent infrastructure from going forward. my second comment, although trump, i think personally was a disaster and mike pence and others were behind it. it is a good thing that trump took credit for, but for months, this finalist and people was going on and being promoted. and january 6 was just one day. now the republicans following the 2020 elections, simply

wanted to do a forensic audit of the election tabulation machine. so, that is not being correctly told. i believe there is a socialist global -- globalism that is using every tactic to reduce population. that is my piece on it. host: that is joel in pennsylvania. caller: we have john from florida on the independent line you are on the washington journal with the public policy issue, which one is most concerning to you today? caller: shipping people from the border and you do not tell people the truth of what they get when you come to this country. if you come through the line and you get your papers, i want everybody to know you are tax landing people again. i know it for a fact.

my neighbors are, i talked to them and they are all from there. they get $6,000 a month per person until they are american citizens. host: wait john, you are saying that people who cross the border, illegally, and come into the country undocumented, and until they become american citizens they are given $6,000 a month? caller: they make $6,000 a month if they come over -- host: that $72,000 a year. six thousand dollars a month times 12 is $72,000. caller: if people do not work they do -- you are right they do not work because they do not have to. people come over here they are my neighbors and they work two days a week. it shows they have a job but they get $6,000 from the government every month. host: can you give one source of

where the $6,000 comes from. i truly have never seen that. caller: it is listed under this. it is listed under food and housing. they get $225 a day. i looked it up one time, the website shut off. my son looked it up. so yes, i am right i am letting you know and i want the american people to know. you are paying people to be here and you wonder why the cost-of-living is so high. host: tampa florida caller is next republican line, go ahead george. caller: yes i would like to say i did not understand why people say donald trump is a terrible president -- was a terrible president. everything he said and promised to the people, he kept promises. he spoke about putting a fence up to protect the border, right now, that is exactly what we need.

nobody gives him credit for that. inflation was low. gasoline was one dollar 91 -- $1.91 and nobody said anything about that. he made the military stronger. president biden is making our military weaker and giving our money away instead of caring about our own country. they are doing this on purpose. i am not sure they realize they are turning this country into a socialist country. i do not think the democratic party cares. they simply want to have control of the country. as long as they think they can manage the economy of the country that is all that matters to them. i would like to say, that the demo at a party has been taken over by satan. then you for taking my call. host: that is georgian tampa. rena, in illinois. please go ahead. good morning. caller: good morning.

i am listening to all these crackpots you are allowing to talk, but i guess that is what c-span does. all these people keep talking about this ivermectin and all of this. we do not get that in the hospital. i am an essential worker and we do not give drugs in the hospital because they did not do anything for covid. we do give antibiotics. antibiotics can also be toxic to the body especially the liver and kidney. i wish people would stop saying those things cure covid they do not you do need to get the vaccine just like our moms and dads gave us a vaccine for polio we did not see polio around much or the measles or other illnesses. what is a problem with the covid vaccine? you come in the hospital and you use these drugs and you do not know how toxic these drugs are

of antibiotics that we give to your body. i wish people would stop saying that. essential workers are working hard to make sure that people are well and you do need to be vaccinated. host: you said at the beginning, the people that were being allowed to say those things, do you think we should censor those people? caller: you know, a lot of the -- a lot of it is it -- miss information. and people listen to that. it is not true. we did not give any of those drugs. and the doctors are definitely not recommending you take those drugs. when you leave the hospital, we give you a list of medications the doctor orders for you. that is not on the list ivermectin anza quarter con is not on the list of medications. and we tell them upfront have you been vaccinated? many have not been vaccinated, we tell them that you should be vaccinated.

which your doctor with certain diseases you have to look at and talk with your doctor. but those drugs are definitely not on the list. i do not know where they are getting this information from. host: that is rena in illinois. thank you for your time. up next, is matt, in huntington west virginia on our democrat line. you are on the washington journal. what is on your mind? caller: how are you doing today? listen, i do not want you to censor anybody because this show is better than any comedy skit you can listen to. the people that come on here and spout this stuff like the guy that said trump promised a fence. trump ron missed a fence, a big beautiful wall that mexico was going to pay for and we never got that big beautiful wall that mexico paid for. but i laugh every day at it. i religiously watched this show. better that is not what i wanted

to call about. i wanted to read this quick read. i texted you guys but i wanted to make sure this gets on. 93-year-old with more money than he could ever spend in the three lifetimes because he has spent 45 years paying the lowest wages he could in order to guard his fortune would be depriving the death of capitalism after reducing socialistic monopolistic business model to crash down the business and snuff out literally thousands of small independent hardware and appliance stores run by entrepreneurs. the mind boggles. thank you for letting me get that on. you do not have to read by text now. it is ridiculous people get on here -- walmart and home depot and some of the others that are not republican like lowe's have

crashed out the entrepreneur in this country with this big business socialistic business model. thank you for that. -- thank you for letting me get my two cents. host: he was referring about the article about the home depot cofounder saying nobody works, nobody gives a damn and he blames people were having socialism and not capitalism prevalent in the country. tina, alabama republican line good morning to you. caller: good morning and happy new year because it is coming up. george, of illinois, he is so correct. in 2012, the democrat convention -- they declared that there is an ovation that god is no part of the departing platform. and just this past month, at

king jeffries, they said that god will not be part of the democrat party. so george is correct. you can play the evidence with that. thank you so much. host: tina could you -- do you have any off of your head any website that can contend with that. i would think that i have probably heard that on c-span. i just -- i just have not heard that. i am not questioning you, i am just saying where was that play or where did you hear that? because i would be interested in hearing that. caller: i listen to c-span. all the government committee hearings and meetings and conventions i listen to on c-span so you guys should have that in your records. host: that is tina and south city. we appreciate you calling in. washington c-span kathy is an

independent in missouri. hi. caller: high how are you doing? --hi, how are you doing? host: i am good. how are you? caller: i am doing as well as the government will allow. in the past bread was $1.25 now you go to one dollar for eggs mick is a -- milk is up. and we pay farmers to dump milk in ravines so they can keep a price margin going. the federal government pays them . also, i agree with the guy on the $5,000 a month that the illegals are getting. i have friends that work in arizona as border patrol. when they are in those lines with the papers, they get a card

that is headed -- handed out that is a federal government card. he said something he has never seen. they are told to not throw the cards away. that they will be replanted each and every month -- replanted -- replentished each and every month. some are getting $10,000 a month. they are putting illegals up in hotels that would cost normal american people $300 a night. they get the laundry done, they get a card to go to walmart and shop for clothing, and the american taxpayers pay for it. now, i want to know why they continue to say that this border is closed when we say -- see that it is not. host: that is kathy in independence, missouri.

kathleen is next calling in from pasadena, maryland democrat line. good morning. caller: i am just -- i have to agree with i believe it was todd. i listen to the show every day, it is a comedy. the last caller, saying that immigrants are getting $5,000 a month is just ridiculous. that is not happening. i do not know where they are getting their information from. i wish the democrats -- i believe somebody said the other day, i will -- i think it was on cnn is why do democrats bring a knife to a gunfight? you know, they never stick up for themselves. their messaging is horrible. and that -- the whole point that the vaccine conspiracies are still going around is proof of that. i wish dr. fauci all the best, i

think he is a wonderful man and he did a great job. i hope in 2023 people come back to american -- come back to reality and people start to act like americans again. host: earlier we talked about the crisis at the border. do you believe there is a crisis at the border? caller: yes. i think too many people need to come across a border and i do not think we are doing enough. his answer a wall? no, i do not think so. i think the answer is more judges and possibly cameras and border patrol and things like that. and assessing whether people are actually qualified to seek asylum. we also need the labor vote. we are what? how many millions of jobs are going unfilled? i just not -- do not understand where people are getting their information from.

host: second question, talking about some of the things people were saying about the coronavirus and vaccines, do you think they should not be allowed to say them? caller: i think they should be allowed to say those things, i did not ever want to infringe on someone's free speech, but i do think they should be corrected. that none of the american medical association or doctors associations have had any of these issues with things being plugged up with something or them being dangerous. misinformation is just ridiculous right now. i think it is killing people. by the way, i had cancer and i have a compromised immune system. i got all four of my boosters guess what i have not had? covid. so.

i also take care. i wear a mask, do hand sanitizer, i do not go into crowded places. i also want to ask these folks have a scene the data that more people in the republican states are dying from covid? than people from democratic states? host: that is kathleen from pasadena, maryland on the democrat line and this is wayne in georgia on our republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. there is a song that fits our political system. we have three term limit senators and return limit -- three term limit for congress. we have a term limit for president back to back. and america needs to think on

that a wild. host: he is the second to calm -- call in and sit just term limits. today. charles, one is on your mind? caller: thank you for taking my call. you had a wonderful group of callers saying diverse thoughts and ideas. let me tell you, i am a microbiologist i have been teaching microbiology for over 30 years to students at two different medical schools. i cannot over emphasize the need for vaccines. some of the collars, arena from illinois and kathleen from maryland put it right on target that the covid vaccine is necessary. i have had covid. and i had it after several vaccines, but i had a mild case of it. in my life, we are elderly, we are not that old, we are in the 70 age group, but we have mild

cases. i believe the people they get hospitalized, the majority of them have not been vaccinated. if they had been vaccinated, they would not have gotten covid, or they would have a mild case of it. in my position, i read a book that -- co-authored on a book about covid and i published a couple of papers. host: what is the name of the book? caller: it is called covid-19 biomedical perspectives. it is published by l severe. i am not pushing the book even though i am an editor. one of the things that we do as scientist in medical schools we write books or journal articles. host: is it geared toward a medical audience more than a general audience? caller: yes, it is. there is one chapter i did not want to push it but i wrote it and a high school student could read it.

it is about why we have misinformation and i believe it is because of the education process. i cannot wait until dr. fauci gets his chance to have a say in front of whoever for rum that -- forum they put him in front of in the american congress. he will educate the leaders who ask him questions. this will be a great public service. i am sure c-span will cover it. by the way, you have a great show here it covers all sorts of things. i did not mind people who speak disinformation just so long as and you have you have had two people reno from illinois and kathleen from maryland they gave valid counterpoints. they gave as good a counterpoint as i could have given with the experience i have. with regard to the border, you mentioned -- host: we have to leave it there.

i have to get two more calls and in the last few minutes. sharon, oklahoma, democrats go ahead. caller: good morning i am calling into -- i would like to give our people the information that i believe the embracing of the people of hate, lies, injustice, chaos, that is going to take our country down. we embrace the people of lies when we voted trump in. when he said that -- he promoted that obama was not born here in the united states. and i was thinking if a person does not know that hawaii is a state in the united states, they are lying or trying to create hate and separation.

the injustice of george floyd, i cannot understand how it is that people can see somebody stand up and put their foot -- knee on the neck of a person if it is not straight out murder i did not know what it is. host: we have to leave it there. i apologize the last voice for the day is michael i'm a long-time listener. i just wanted to say, hearing everybody talk today, i believe all of our leaders hate us. that is why i am skeptical about the vaccine, i won't take that thing. the main reason is our leadership is shown that people don't like white people to live here. especially people like me, a heterosexual white male. they have shown it at every turn.

when you're in the situation, you project what people give you. that goes for anybody, a black person, anybody. host: that was michael from maryland. thank you for being with us, we will be back tomorrow at 7:00. the new congress comes back on january 3 and washington journal will be on air for five hours as the new speaker is chosen. as they swear in the new members, we will see when the morning. ♪

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