was abducted. on q&a sunday, co-author of a few days of trouble, recounts the event and his efforts to get justice for his late cousin. >> shortly after, i was with him, and nothing happened well they were in the store -- happened while they were in the store. i don't know how long, he comes out of the store. emmett loved to make people laugh. never had a dull day in his life. loved to make jokes. the atmosphere in 1955 you have to understand, in mississippi, a

black man whistling at a white woman, i mean, that was death itself. >> reverend wheeler parker junior with his book a few days full of trouble sunday night at 8:00 a.m. eastern on q&a. you can listen to cueing day on all our podcasts -- to q and a and all of our podcasts on c-span now. ♪ host: good morning. it has been one week since the new republic and let house was sworn in. they passed several pieces of leslation, including sending funding for the irs, tablishing a committee on comforters with china, a committee on the weaponization of the federal government. we are asking how you would grade the first week of the house? give us a call by party

affiliation. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text (202) 748-8003. we are on social media. welcome to washington journal. in addition to the ones i mentioned in the introduction, there were others, including the resolution to condemn attacks on ures and groups. they passed a bill called the aborti survivors protection act, and a bill to restrict the energy secretary from selling petroleum to china. let's take a look at the speaker. this is from thursday.

he was speaking at the u.s. capitol about the republican led congress during that first week. >> in the last five days, we passed a rules package to the log is the power rest with the few. it is the voices of americans. we repealed and stripped the funding for 87,000 irs agents. the government should be here to help you. we just protected the strategic petroleum reserve, the president can no longer sell our oil to china. we opened the house back up for the public. that is something the public has not been able to be a part of for the last couple of years. that is just the first five days. we are just getting started.

we made a commitment to america and we are going to keep it. host: here is the house minority leader. he gave his own take on that first week of the republican led house. this is also from thursday. >> we implore them to focus on issues that the american people care about. let's work together. following the leadership of the president, whose record continues to move things in an incredibly positive direction for the american people. wages are up, inflation is down it. more than 10 million jobs have been created under the leadership of president joe biden. that is a strong economic track

record of success, reticular given the mess that president biden inherited from the previous administration. instead of trying to find ways to work together, my colleagues on the others continue to lean into an extreme republican agenda, which is focused on trying to investigate the president's family, not make a difference in the lives of everyday americans. that is quite unfortunate. host: that was hakeem jeffries. here is the view from the senate. this iuck schumer, a democrat from new york. he says this:

we want to know what you think about that. we are asking you how you would grade the first week of the house gop majority. let's hear from lee in michigan. caller: that whole segment you just did was so divisive. every day americans, donald trump got 75 million, 13 million

more than the first time. it what do you mean? it is half the country. i want to talk about this whole thing. it's been a week and you are grading? i work at the university of michigan. we are doing the study. it's about media bias. we are watching c-span. we are watching how many democrat collars you take, he calmly republican collars you take each day. we are watching today. we are watching. how many democrat collars you take, how many republicans you take. host: how would you grade the first week? you think that is to divisive? caller: there's nothing to grade

yet. let's grade joe biden. you talk about how china donated millions of dollars to 10 universities while he was there. host: we want to talk about the first week of congress. you are free to call in during open forum if you would like to talk about that. i am happy to take your call on that. bill is next in georgia. caller: good morning. this is bill from georgia. i totally with speaker jeffries. he summed it all up. the republican partys no longer republican. they are run by the far right wing church, they are run by not

only the church but a bunch of other individuals who want to control the country. they are not concerned with doing the will of thpele. they are concern wh doing the will that funds their pockets. there is nothing but drama up there. it is chaos. i can't see any solution to the problem. president biden has reached out, he has worked hard. there is no compromising. we are stuck with these people. all i can say is if the democrats want to win elections, they will have to get on the level of the republicans and do whatever it takes. the only way the republicans -- as far as you want to go, all the way back to hitler's and

other dictators around the world, it is deny and why and try to get everybody propaganda. if people are ignorant enough to buy it, they done bought it. i think we are wasting our time to even consider these people. host: let's take a look at a text we got from steven in michigan. he says: here is a text from mike in orlando: here is a tweet that says:

here is steve who says: sandy also: let's talk to melissa next in indiana. caller: good morning. i am definitely a democrat. i would grade the house with a huge f. they had such a flawless speaker election. everything they are doing is

antithetical to governing. they are not doing it. i don't have much expectation. thank god we hold the senate. i do agree with the caller from georgia. we cannot let one third of our country's crazy base control our country. the american public deserves better. i expect better. thank you for the call. have a wonderful day. host: jim is in new jersey. jim, mute your tv. jim? nope. carol is in maryland. caller: how are you doing today?

kevin mccarthy, he is known to be -- we can't believe anything he says. i just go by one example. you were on with the energy expert. you asked that expert, are we energy independent. i think it was you. you asked the energy expert are we independent. i asked myself, i've been wondering why nobody else ever asks that question. the energy expert told you that we are not energy independent. the only people that i've been hearing that we are energy independent were the republicans like sean hannity. they lie to us so much that we don't know what to expect,

whether they are telling the truth or not. host: what do you think of the first week? what grade would you give? caller: an f. they are going to fail. as soon as the bills go to the senate, they are going to fail. the senate knows how outrageous they are. host: shouldn't they at least try if this is what they believe in, if this is what they want to accomplish? caller: you had to ask that energy expert if we were energy independent. who is lying? are the republicans lying? are there democrats line? can i ask you a question? did he answer your question? did you think we were energy and dependent? host: where going to talk about

energy later in the broadcast. we will talk about again. make sure you stay tuned for that. maybe i will be able to ask that question again. michael is in maryland. caller: good morning. how are you? i give them a aaa plus. i think they are doing a good job. i really hope that the two parties can come together. i give them a aaa. i am very happy with them. host: john is calling from new york. caller: how are you? host: what do you think? caller: i would give them a triple f. the republicans don't want america to exist.

they don't like democracy. i want everybody to stop saying that republicans took the house. they cheated. the way they drew the lines in new york, they eliminated two or three of our congressmen. democrats don't even charge them with it. they suppress the vote. they moved voting polls. they closed voting drop-offs. they made all of these crazy regulations to win. the democrats don't point these things out. they cheated. you draw lines in new york and you put to congressmen in the same district. then you lose one of them. they are out to destroy

democracy, i remember vladimir putin said it himself, i helped. host: let's take a look at this text from john in michigan who says: excellent. that is the word he would give. carol in panama city says: here is a text from anthony also in detroit: hank says this: here is also a tweet:

let's talk to dan who is in ohio. good morning. caller: of course republicans get an a. anyt that reverses the coon of the biden mistration, you have to give a positive grade. you let this guy go on about energy. we were and dependent before joe biden started the war on fossil fuels. of course we are not energy and dependent after joe biden got into office. this more on that called you, you have joe biden doing the samehi heused donald

trump of. that is taking classified materials out of the white house. this guy is so corrupt. of course we need to do ing. anything that reverses the corrupt policies gets an absolute a. thank you. host: take a look here. the first bill brought up for debate would resend most of the funding allocated for the irs under the inflation reduction act. here is part of that debate for monday. >> it does not increase the agency's headcount. the biden administration says they are increasing headcount by 87,000 over the next decade. the secretary said they should

audit families and continue to be audited at similar rates. nine out of every 10 audits can target families earning less than $400,000. republicans are committed to delivering a government that is accountable, despite the fact that these accounts would be more properly addressed with regular appropriations to assure -- ensure they have the resources. >> let me debunk that. there are 8000 retirements per year. how about the methodology of computer upgrades, should we have an irs that operates the way southwest airlines did last week? this is a messaging bill. the message they choose to send,

the first bill that they have submitted according to the budget office adds $114 billion to the federal deficit. they don't want a fair tax administration. they think it's bad for their supporters. what they are attempting to do is bad for middle-class families, it is small -- bad for small businesses. host: we are asking about how you would grade the first week of the house gop majority. you can give us a call on our phone lines by party affiliation. let's hear next from steve in michigan. caller: hi there. i've been watching this program since the 80's. i give them an f. need to talk to that guy from michigan.

this is for everybody out there, stop saying that they prefer republicans or democrats. everybody knows it's a bunch of bs. if you want to take your survey, go all the way back. these guys are nuts. we are letting them take us over. stop saying that you pick republicans and democrats. everybody is on there. just cut it out. canada about -- cut it out about how many people call in. host: randy is in alabama. caller: that was just an idiot you had on the phone. i am a democrat. i give them an a for stopping

the idiots in my party. host: why do you say that? caller: you just watch them on tv. they want to worry if amanda is a woman or a woman is a man. they don't worry about what's good for the united states. having another revolution is what's going to help us. we can split this country up and make to united states. host: good morning, frank. caller: i would like to say that the republican congress, i give them an a plus. they've done an excellent job to fight biden and his commonest ties to china. and to fight the irs that he uses to weaponize against

conservatives. i give them a aaa plus. akeem jeffries is nothing but an anti-somatic. the democrats vote for murdering babies. that goes directly against the bible. i give them an a plus. the republicans are doing an excellent job. i hope they just win and keep on winning. host: this is from tuesday. they debated companies collecting and sharing information on individuals. >> they will use this committee to push qanon conspiracy theories and lies from truth social. they will jet up fake investigations into nonexistent scandals.

we need to start calling this the tinfoil hat committee. speaker mccarthy changed the language to provide unprecedented authority to interfere in ongoing criminal investigations. let me repeat, the republican party that claims to care about law and order has created a committee to defund the police based on their wacky conspiracy theories but to shut down ongoing investigations, including domestic terrorists, phony electors, insurrectionists, people on trial for sedition because they tried to overthrow the government, and the disgraced former president. this is outrageous. this committee seeks to undermine the law, undermine the police, make a mockery of the investigative and oversight powers of the house.

>> when the department of justice teets -- treats parents like terrace. the fbi pays twitter $3 million to censor american citizens. the department of homeland security tries to set up a disinformation governance board. we know they can tell what is good speech and what is bad speech. you've got to be kidding me. dozens of whistleblowers have come and don't think this is a ploy. they know how serious this is. the former chair is saint we are going to fight this tooth and nail. the former chair of the intelligence committee pressured twitter to censor a journalist. you've got to be kidding me. this is about the first amendment.

i hope we could get bipartisan agreement on the first amendment. every single one has been attacked. host: we are asking you how you would gde the first week of the gop majority. percy is next in virginia. caller how are you doing? host good. caller: thank you for the portunity to speak. my issue would be with the house. no one is taken seriously. there is a big issue there. the case i was involved in, i was illegally convicted. i proved my innocence.

i wrote a book. it was a true story. how corrupt these judges are. i had one of donald trump's judges. he was appointed in indiana. he was the first judge to order the government to explain why i was in jail because it was so corrupt. the evidence they used was based on lies and could not stand in a constitutional trial. i am looking for the opportunity to address the house and investigate the judiciary in my local area. host: did you write to your represent of? caller: yes.

he has been lukewarm on getting involved in my situation. i represented formation that was fraud. i am letting her know the corruption is reaching all the way to the top levels in the department of justice. host: good luck with that. take a look of this text from steve in florida: jason says: anthony tweets:

let's talk to kevin next. he is in ridgeway illinois -- ridgeway, illinois. caller: thank you for having me. god bless you. i think they are doing and awesome excellent aaa. i 100% agree with them. i agree that there will be film of the capitol riot. [indiscernible]

host: all of a sudden, your sound got on hero bowl -- unhearable. caller: i am not your typical color. i am a businessman who sent in another 300,000 estimated taxes to pay ahead on the profit of last year. as a business, we give people a leg up. we give people opportunity to succeed. we help our small town. i am just shocked at the venom that is expressed on c-span

against the republican party. and business in general. i am constantly correcting the top accounts i higher because they lose track of the total we've sent in or the irs miss applies it. it is so complex. we have to watch out for ourselves. the goal is to do the right thing. i don't have any ill will to people who choose to be democrats. it is absurd to characterize the businesses of america as tax cheats. the tax code is a burden. being audited is a tremendous burden that businesses do not want to experience. i give the congress and a for

not turning the irs into an attack weapon against american businesses. it is hard enough to run a business. we are not the bad guys. we are the good guys. host: robin is in new mexico. caller: how are you doing this morning? i would give them a big fat zero, which is less than an f. it doesn't work. i was a ta. you would have to get five or six a's to make up for a zero. host: why are you giving them a zero? caller: they have not gone after

anything positive at all. not one single thing that would help the american people. all they have done is attack. this tax thing, you've got to be kidding. i heard that guy from kentucky. i grew up in a household where my father owned a small business. i understand about people who own small businesses. i understand how difficult it is to make payroll. that's not the thing with corporate america. you cannot apply the same principles to corporate america versus the mom-and-pop shops all over the country. you need to have a different scale of looking into their taxes. i believe the big corporations

have overwhelmed the irs to the point where they are getting away with everything and the mom-and-pop shops are paying out the nose. host: let's go to john in normal, illinois. caller: good morning. i've been listening to c-span for over 20 years. i have noticed that with regard to who is calling in and how c-span favors one over the other, i will directly related. it has occurred to me that i can listen on internet radio and i can tell the political -- you can determine where a person is coming from by the tone of their voice. you can identify their political party.

i apologize to people who are political. there is an insurrection going on. that's not what i wanted to talk about. what i want to suggest to c-span, i participate in a lot of internet forums, people don't put up with the kind of stuff that you guys have to put up with every day. i think this lack of respect for civility, people don't have to call in. host: what do you suggest for c-span? caller: as soonest somebody comes on and says something like that guy is a moronic, just cut them off. that's what happens on internet forms.

the community shuts that down instantly. there is no way to continue. what i recommend for everyone is -- i need to do this right now. take a deep breath and say patients, let somebody listen. leaders listen more than they do anything else. you have to be humble. humility is the second word. kindness is the third word. host: let's take a look at what the president set on thursday. he criticized house republicans, resending funding for the irs. >> i was disappointed that the very first bill that republicans in the house passed would help wealthy people and big corporations cheat on their taxes at the expense of ordinary taxpayers.

it would add $114 billion to the deficit. house republicans can't make a plan for inflation. house republicans introduced another bill, blocking action that would help consumers. house republicans are preparing to vote on a national sales tax bill. that's a great idea. it would raise taxes on the middle class by taxing thousands of everyday items. if i'm not mistaken, they would eliminate the irs. go home and tell your mom's. they are going to be really excited about that. is this how they are starting the new term? cutting taxes for billionaires?

make inflation worse? let me be clear, if any of these bills makes it to my desk, i will flat veto them. i am ready to work with republicans, but not this kind of stuff. host: that was president biden speaking. take a look of this text we got from palm coast, florida: another text: here is a text from bird:

let's talk to penny who is a republican in pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. what i would like to address is joe biden has done nothing to protect our border. he wants to hire 80,000 irs people and he needs to be hiring more border agents to protect our country from drugs, illegal people we have coming into our country. they are destroying the places where they are given to live. he just isn't controlling our country. i'm very upset about the money

he squanders. that is all the democrats do. it is not for american people. goodbye. host: chris is in louisiana. good morning. caller: good morning. i've been sitting here listening to many of your callers today. i am saddened by what i am hearing from both sides. our government, in order to serve the people, the elected officials -- i won't call them leaders -- when they are sent to washington by the citizens of this country, they should go there and work together for the cause of the people.

i'm not concerned about parties. we have things in this country that the american people need to have done, get fixed, the working on. infrastructure, etc.. all of this baloney i'm watching, these so-called politicians, this is crazy. it's appalling. when our children look at this, they said this is our problem. we are not the problem of this country. the adults in this country always fighting, arguing. everybody wants to have the power.

everybody wants to be in charge. you can't have everybody being the leader. if we don't all fall in line and come together, the crises we see around the world are going to stay over there? it's going to be coming over here. we used to be an open country that would let people come in. read the poem on the statue of liberty. read with that poem says. it is going to shock some of you. host: let's talk to matt in texas. caller: how is it going? yeah, what did he just say at the end? host: i am wondering how you would grade the house leadership? caller: i think it's pretty

good. some of the committees that are being set up, that's nice to see. mccarthy bragging about all of these bills, they are going to get shot down in the senate. he thinks republicans aren't that smart. that's not great. the committees do with they say they are going to do, when they give their referrals to the doj, if they televise the hearings, that is what it's all about. people get to see it. host: if they do, we will show it to you on c-span. let's take a look from wednesday. this is a resolution to condemn recent attacks against pro-life facilities and churches.

>> from 2016 through 2020, pregnancy centers partnered with pregnant women to save over 800,000 lives. 75% of women at risk for abortion who view an ultrasound of their baby at a pregnancy center ultimately make the choice to continue their pregnancy. merit garland calls parents who want to protect their kids domestic terrorists. he refuses to protect facilities that help pregnant women carry their babies from being attacked by extremists. since the dobbs decision was leaked, 40 churches and 60 pregnancy centers have been firebombed and vandalized across the country by pro-murder

extremists. the range of damages ranges from less than $100 to more than $250,000. >> inserting politics into the doctor-patient relationship, stigmatizing women who get abortions, put it risk the doctors who are just doing their jobs. they ignore the threat that abortion providers and patients face daily. the american people sent a clear message. politicians have no place in our personal medical decisions. house republicans refused to listen. instead of protecting reproductive health care, they are make it their first order of business to use their power to control women's bodies. i can dorm -- condemn violence in all its forms. this omits violence like the

murder of health providers. they don't regard murder is violence. this comes at the same time women's rights are under attack. this is dividing and distracting, it doesn't reduce violence. continue to stand up and speak out for what is right. host: next up is deborah calling from salem, massachusetts. good morning. caller:ood morning. i believe your question you want to know how the ngss is doing? host: how would you rate the first week? caller: i've bee listening to your other colors. i find it unrtate that numb them can answer e estion and they go off on their tangents. here is what i would say,hen you look at a congress, you want to seehe clear leader from the

beginning. under the house of representatives, a wsaw was chaos. we did see were they tried to come together and elect a leader. what we saw was pandering t right-wing people, a very small group of republicans. not the larger base of republicans that are honest congressman. that was sad to see. it was very sad to see they didn't ge of represeate santos. as an employee, you would've been fired right away. for line on your resume and its fraud against the american people, that shows they are not serious about holding up good standards for the american people. they should be a beacon to say this is how we handle our ethics. this is how we handle a

representative who is not honest. i don't think they are off to a good start in terms of how they have conducted themselves. i hope they don't go on and make these committees just grandstanding events. that is always my concern. they have their own petty issues. nothing gets done. i would not rate them very well. i think the senate got off to a good start because they had senators and they were able to elect a had right away. a lot of people are going on and on about the irs. the irs is not a bad organization. the irs is there to help and answer questions. we don't have enough help now. there is not enough customer

service. there is not enough staffing to actually file taxes, get the money back. this idea that they are going to go after people, that is a witchhunt idea. we don't have the computer systems to protect our taxes. the money will help secure our taxes. that is just dogma and language for people that don't understand what's going on. they just want to frighten people. host: dan is next in birmingham, alabama. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i've been listening to this. i can't believe what they are doing. we the people. i give them a c plus for the first week. host: why?

caller: they were trying to be organized. it's very hard to get organized when you don't know what is going on. i don't think none of them did. you want to get settled in. maybe they will get some work done. i grew up in a democratic household. no one could replace our 40th president. he was more of a people person. host: all right. let's go to larry in alabama. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: you look nice this morning. host: what do you think of the

first week of the gop majority. caller: i thought they were headed in the right direction. i want to say the republican version of the january 6 select committee. i want all the tapes released. host: ok. bill is in mississippi. caller: good morning. host: how are you doing? caller: i am calling from mississippi. i am giving them an f.

i give them a aaa on entertainment. since ronald reagan, they have an accomplished anything. they are crooked like the democrats. thank you. host: let's talk to stephen in illinois. caller: good morning. i would give them an h for hypocrisy. the first thing they do after that debacle of picking leader was go on to abortion. the abortion law they put in is meaningless because there is a law already. everything they do will be extreme theater. they know they can't get their weird ideas through the senate. they are to start writing weird laws.

the back room deals that were done by that minority of the party, they were cutting deals. can i just say that george santos is not an alumni. he is the new model because of what trump did. if you look at the art of the deal, he brags about line being a good part of business. -- lying being a good part of business. host: this is a clip from thursday. the bill would and the sale of oil to china. >> to cover up his failed policies, president biden drained our strategic petroleum reserve at an alarming rate. it was once the largest stockpile. it is at the lowest level since 1983. he released 250 million barrels

of oil in less than two years. more than all former presidents combined. much of that oil went to china because our refineries and pipelines are full. it has nowhere to go here. in april, they sold one million barrels directly to estate owned chinese company. -- a state owned chinese company. china is ramping up its purchases from russia to boost its own reserve. china controls the largest stockpile oil with almost one billion barrels at the expense of americans. >> when republicans last control congress, they lifted a ban on crude oil exports at the urging

of their big oil friends. this allowed companies to export american oils -- barrels to our adversaries. this was a republican policy pushed by house republicans eight years ago. our exports to china surged, averaging half $1 billion every day during the last trump administration. back in 2015, i opposed that republican bill out of concern that would harm our energy security and lead to increased prices at the pump for hard-working families. i was right. republican seem to be complaining about the circumstances they created to reward their big oil friends. lifting the export and damaged our security, refineries across the country have closed since the export ban was lifted.

that is in part to companies seeking greater profits abroad rather than send their oil to refineries here at home. host: we are talking to how you would grade the first week of the house majority. the state of the union is,. kevin mccarthy sent this tweet. it is my obligation to invite the president to speak before joint session of congress on february 7. he will report on the state of the union. he sent that letter to the president. sure to watch thative. we will have live coverage on the c-span netwo. let's talk to trina in new york. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree with the gentleman who was dismayed by the venom from

callers. it is so sad to hear hateful views of their neighbors. i feel they are doing a good job. i pray that we continue to be the people's house. the first thing you do is clean. they removed them from committees. they have all committed treasonous crimes. they reduce the power of the irs. they are opening transparency. i understand that they are letting c-span have more access. they have heard disinformation. they are investigating corruption. that is really coming to light now.

for such a short amount of time, they are doing the right thing. they will get down to business. i hope they continue to be the people's house. host: let's talk to david in kentucky. caller: good morning. how are you doing? the lady that just talked, i agree with what they did with adam schiff. i wish the congress would show everything on tv. these guys that get up there and lie, there should be a rule in place that if they catch you in a light, ban them. -- lie, ban them. they tried to destroy this country with their lies. it is so sad.

i listen to these characters get up there. they could care less about our country. they're worried about their own self-interest. this country was founded on principles. look at what benedict arnold did. these treasonous people up there, they have no shame whatsoever. i don't know how they could hold their pennant. i am sad to see some of these characters. the american people are starting to wake up to the fact that these people are destroying it. i think they want this country to go down completely. they want to make this a dictatorship where we have no laws. they want to destroy the constitution.

i'm glad -- i think the american people are waking up to the fact that the people who have been running these countries for a while, they want this country to go down completely. they want to make this country a dictatorship where we have no rules, we have no laws. i -- i have to take care of my family first. then i have to take care of the -- host: that is all the time we have got for this segment . we will have open forum later in the program, but up xt is kelly strobach from the national associatioof school psychologists and she will

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and our school systems. if you would like to call in the end talk to our guest, you can do that. we have our phone lines set up for parents and students. if you are a parent, you can call (202) 748-8000. if you are an educator, you can call (202) 748-8001. for all others, you can call (202) 748-8002. guest: the vast majority of our members work in public schools, but we have members who work in charter and private schools. some work in juvenile the tension facilities. we work in a variety of places, but the vast majority are in the public school setting. host: how do uss the state of

mental health services for school-age children? guest: it is not good. it is getting better. we have made dramatic improvements in recognizing the value and critical importance of school mental health as it relates to student learning and a host of student outcomes. we have made great strides in increasing the number of school psychologists and mental health professionals, but the reality is that the need of our students far outweighs the capacity of our system to meet those needs. we have a critical shortage of providers, that includes psychologists working in the schools and providers to the community. that includes pediatric care. while we have made a lot of improvement, there is a long way to go because the need of our

students is so great. host: i want to talk to you about the first grader who shot his teacher. this is an article, you will look right here. the headline says, " this is not the first time a six-year-old has opened fire at school." " three other school shootings involving six-year-olds are all we have in terms of legal precedent." i wonder as a school psychologist, how have you responded or how you reacted when you heard that news? guest: i thought how we have failed our children. this situation is tragic and i cannot speak to the legal precedent or the specifics of the case because i do not know enough about that student, but what is clear in every instance where we have seen a headline like this where there has been a shooting by a student, the

clear, consistent variable is that there were signs. as you look through all of these cases where you see instances of horrific school violence, as you talk to the people involved, hindsight is 2020, that there are always signs that kids will commit an act of violence. how much work we have to do on early identification that we are providing in schools to identify kids who are at risk of harming themselves or others to move them off. them off the pathway to violence. if you look at the case of you faulty, parkland -- uvalde, parkland, sandy hook, all of those there was an unmet need.

this has to be throughout the entire system, working on improving the capacity of families and educators how to a identify some of these warning signs and what to do when they recognize a student or family that needs help. host: social media is a big topic. it is also the subject of a lawsuit. seattle public schools, you can take a look at this article from reuters. " schools blame tech giants for social media harm.:" they are suing the owners of snapchat, tiktok, and youtube. what are your thoughts on that as far as the impact of social media? this is something we did not have when we were growing up in school. it is hard for us to understand the impact of that on young students. guest: i can't speak to this

particular lawsuit, but this is an area we do need a lot of research. particularly over the last 2 years with shutdowns of schools do to covet and transition to virtual -- due to covid, and the transition to virtual may be they are spending more time on screens than we are comfortable with. evidence shows for girls especially how damaging social media can be for their mental health. is that because we are not doing enough as a society to teach kids how to use social media appropriately? do we need better safeguards in place for parents? those are things we need to consider but, you cannot ignore the fact that the way teenagers, particularly young girls, is

-- are using social media is damaging to their mental health. the impact of social media, where it is instant gratification. you're trying to portray a version of yourself online that may not match reality. we are concerned about -- host: what is that psychological impact on the brains of young kids? guest: i'm no tech expert, but kids at that age, people in general, we are driven by that immediate gratification. when you see a light on a post, it makes -- what made our peers one to hit that button and we go back and try to re-create that

over and over. there is certainly an addictive quality to social media. my opinion is part of the issue is it sets up this unrealistic comparison. people put their best self on social media. if you look at teenagers and you look at the sheer amount of softwares out there to dr. photos, we are in -- to doctor photos, we are encouraging that. we should not try to live up to some of these very unrealistic expectations society has placed on young people about what they should look like, how successful they should be, how well they should be excelling at sports. it sets up this unhealthy,

competitive, comparative atmosphere, particularly with teenagers. host: we are talking about the mental health of students. if you would like to call in and ask a question. we have our lines set up for parents and the students it is (202) 748-8000. if you are ann in the school system, it is (202) 748-8001. everyone else can call us on (202) 748-8002. i wanted to show you a clip from a senate hearing that looks at the issue of student mental health issues. brooklyn williams told her own story and what she was dealing with. [video clip] >> looking at me you may not suspect i am dealing with internal struggles. you may not suspect i have

extreme social anxiety. i struggle with insomnia. i have bulimia and i got out of bed and did my hair so i do not look depressed. because i do not fit the description of someone with mental health problems does not mean i am fine. society overlooks people with these health issues because they do not fit into the textbook mold of people with mental health symptoms. i feel like schools and communities only intervene when it comes -- in unfortunate cases when it is too late. my highs and lows have been sporadic. as a child i do not remember feeling any disordered thinking in my life, yet looking back on

it i feel like mental health was never a topic of conversation at school or home until i was 18. when i was 18 my -- whe i -- when i was a teen. when i was a teen my mom died of metastatic breast cancer. i feel like a part of me died with her. it was the worst feeling i have ever experienced. the following year was a blur of numbness and therapy sessions but the pandemic caused everything to shut down and i felt alone. host: welcome back. we are talking about mental health in the public school system. i wanted to ask you about what you just heard, and the impact of the pandemic,. she said she felt alone. we are still learning about the impacts of the pandemic, but what do we know now? guest: i think this young woman

is spot on. socially we had a mental health crisis before covid 19 hit. we have seen rates of mental and behavioral health steadily rising. suicide is now the second leading cause of death for young people. approximately 40% of children will have experienced depression or anxiety. we will need to tease out exactly why we have this crisis, but certainly's goal -- certainly school closures have played a part in that for adolescents. s being with their friend is what drives them -- being with their friends is what drives them. it is more important than being with their family. when schools shut down, it is a

part of their lives, not only academically but it is where they go to be with their friends and get involved in social and sports clubs. they were essentially forced to be by themselves. that isolation impacted students' mental health. people are quite quick to blame. that is the reason -- we cannot ignore the fact that for a lot of these young people technology are there only connections to peer interaction. me and my girlfriend used zoom to stay connected when we cannot be together physically. there is a -- schools are the

primary access point for mental health services for most children. when schools shut down kids lost one of the easiest access points for mental health services. host: before we start taking calls, i want to talk to you about the money. this is theeral funding of school mental health programs through the safer communities act. $1 billion for mental health services, $140 million in grants to get more into the mental health profession, and another $140 million in grants to increase the number of mental health providers. do you welcome that? guest: we welcome it and it is not enough. our organized-- -- we welcome

it and it is not enough. our organization has been fighting to get this for decades so we are thrilled but this is a drop in the bucket. when you think about $1 billion over 50 states and thousands of districts -- we need $63,000 more to make sure every school is adequately equipped with school psychological services. while this will go a long way and help communities do better than they are doing right now, this is not enough and if anyone from congress is listening right now, we will come and ask for long-term sustained investments. while this money will do amazing things, we are serious about addressing this crisis. host: of course congress watches this show! guest: [laughter] host: you can drink some water,

if you need it. sadie is in ohio. she is a grandparent. caller: hi. how are you? host: great. what do you think, sadie? caller: we have a young boy, he is 11 years old. this kid -- i don't know what is going to happen to him. he does not do his homework and he is getting f's. he can take the test and get 100%. my granddaughter is absolutely, he is driving her mad. the parents just got a divorce, and i know that does not help the situation, but i wish this school when he does not bring his homework in, they need to

have a consequence instead -- he is 11 years old and he is the boss of my family. she has tried to get help from the school. i am just so worried about him because he -- he got his self until he was all stopped up. he had to take treatments. he will not eat or go to the bathroom at school. the kid needs somebody to help him. host: let's get a response. guest: i would say he is very fortunate to have you in his life. you clearly care about him and want to make sure he is successful. ask the social worker at your

school to open a dialogue with folks in the school about what interventions, what strategies can they try at school, and that you can implement together as a family to address his needs. i don't know this person well, but it sounds like there are things he is struggling with. i would encourage you and the other members of your family to reach out. host: that leads to the question, if there are problems at home how much can this school really do? is it fair for us to put even more burdens on the schools when they doing a lot already? guest: we cannot be responsible for what happens in the home, but what school psychologists can do is equip families with tools to use at home. when i was a school psychologist we did this frequently when we

would hold skills building groups with parents struggling with behaviors at home. in the same way we consult with administrators to help students during the school day, we can do the same with families. host: let's talk to jordan next in new brownsville, texas on our line for others. caller: good morning, c-span. there is more lurking in schools now. a court case you had a british scientist investigating using that school to attack children. there were a lot more problems in the school causing mental disorders. if you view the social dilemma

video on youtube and educate the children about the video, you will see that the video is trained to teach the students the social media programs are attacking our students. they are causing -- host: what do you think is the solution? a lot of people are saying that social media is bad for kids. caller: there is no solution. you need the court to establish that solution. there is no solution. we tried that over and over again with several cases. what the court has to do is initiate laws to bring them to justice. host: yaqiu: any -- host: any comment, kelly, on

that? guest: we should be. focusingon the good news -- we should be focusing on the good news. there is evidence that comprehensive services increase student learning. while there may be problems in some parts of the country and no district is doing everything perfectly the bottom line is comprehensive school mental health services is good for students' learning. host: we have a tweet from steve. " our district recognized the need for social and emotional learning. we developed lessons to address basic issues. teachers are expected to teach these lessons. some are reluctant to teach touchy-feely stuff. have you seen any pushback from teachers?" guest: we have seen pushback but

only in that they want more support for teaching resiliency building, character education, whatever you want to call it so that it doesn't feel like an add-on." programs can work with teachers to help them structure this kind of curriculum into the academic curriculum so it doesn't feel like an add-on. we have such an educator shortage and the needs of students right now are so great. it teachers recognize the daunting task ahead of them. they are doing more with less resources now and it is leading to burnout. it is how can they weave it into what they are already doing during the day, so they don't feel like it is one more thing on their plate. host: lorrie is a parent calling from pennsylvania. caller: i would say a lot of the

issues with social media is diminishing children's ability to critically think before they reacted because there is such a knee-jerk reaction. same thing for grown-ups. they are not grasping the critical thinking skills they need to take them forward from elementary school to middle school to high school and on into life. a part of that is the schools are not getting the funds that they need to support their educators. they will take a child who has the worst problems and address that child, which it should be addressed, and let so many other kids fall through, because they do not have the funding for that. how do we get our legislators to fund our schools better? i think another part is that

teachers and students used to have a really great connection. i used to look forward to going to teacher-student conferences intoxicating -- and talking to the teachers about my girls. my daughter is a teacher on the east coast. she is having hard time. there is one little boy, his father says he may not bring homework home. through a teacher conference,, my daughter found out the father cannot read so he cannot help his son at home with the homework. he does not want his son bringing homework home. a lotta families are going through so much. teachers are given 25, 36

students in their classroom. they have to rush through the school day because you have to do so much of this, so much of that, so much of this -- host: let's get a response. guest: i wish i had an answer to the $1 million question. students come to school with all of this stuff. they come with more than their lunch in their backpack and it is -- if you have students in your classroom the unmet needs they are not going to access that curriculum and they will not learn to the best of their ability. that speaks to the importance of having comprehensive, mental and

behavioral services to support student learning. when students come to school, they are bringing what is happening at home, but is happening in their neighborhood. they are bringing all of that to the classroom. that is one of the primary purposes to making sure we have access to social workers so they can work with students during the day, and give them tools so that when some of these hard to deal with emotions pop up during the day, we can address those the goal of keeping them engaged, so they can go on and be successful in their life. host: let's talk to an educator in brooklyn new york. --

caller: everybody has identified as pathological. in the case of these mental conditions, you don't know whether teachers are inventing them or there is bad behavior in the class when they have no idea what started the child behaving that way. psychologists, social workers, people who haven't got a clue about the signs of what they are doing. there isn't a science of that, it is all hypothesis, hypothesis. he asked this way or used this word that is glued to this diagnosis. it gets so silly. and it becomes so expensive and nonproductive. there is absolutely no matching between what it costs in time and human effort. host: i am curious since you are

an educator, have you not seen this in your experience for kids that might be having certain mental health issues? caller: absolutely. the way we deal with them is generously give time to focus on older adults with a younger person, a working -- younger person, working through the underlying emotional problems. if you deal with the emotional problems and don't deal with the real problems, you are getting nowhere. when you look at the school psychologists and what they do, -- host: let's hear from a school psychologist. guest: i would argue what school psychologists do is not fluff, they are highly trained science-based practitioners who have real knowledge and education on mental health. certainly to your point about

pairing students with older adults, absolutely, there is so much evidence that shows a student or child having one trusted adult outside of their family that they feel comfortable talking with has tremendous benefits. but certainly, school counselors , psychologists and social workers have graduate-level training and are highly skilled mental health professionals. and there really is a science. i don't disagree that yes, we need to peel back the layers and understand exactly what is driving a student's emotional and mental behavioral health concerns. but to imply that the work that is happening in our schools is not backed by evidence and science, honestly, is false. host: we have a tweet from elaine in massachusetts who says bullying of neurodivergent children by systems and peers happens. will these supports help students feel safe and supported in their education goals? guest: certainly, the issue of

bullying both in person and cyber bullying is a huge problem and you are right. students disabilities, particularly neurodiverse students, are often targeted. which is why part of the foundation of a good school, a positive school climate, is both making sure we have bullying prevention initiatives in place, where kids know what it is and what to look out for and they trust the adults will intervene and respond. it is also teaching kids from a very young age that people come in all different forms. there are students with all kinds of disabilities, some seen and unseen, and it is important we work with students from a young age and teach them to respect all people, regardless of their differences. to teach them to be kind and treat others the way they want to be treated. some of that is basic fundamentals.

human compassion skills that we all strive to seek. that is the role that schools play. especially as our schools become more inclusive and our schools are becoming more diverse, we are no longer segregating kids with disabilities into separate classrooms. we are educating them with their nondisabled peers. and we need to be working with students to help them understand how to be kind and respect all to people who may not be just like them. host: there is a question from stephen on twitter, who says isn't it true that over half the children in rural america have mental health problems? and there is an article here from seattle that says less than half of the u.s. public schools assess students for mental health and a washington state university study says you get a lot less support in rural areas then you do in urban areas for mental health. what is your take on that?

guest: in some ways, that is true in part because in rural settings, there is a lack of services. if you look at an urban area, like washington, d.c. or a metro area, we have a number of hospitals. there are a number of psychologists and psychiatrists. in a rural setting, a school district is serving 100 square miles. there might be one school psychologist responsible for everyone in that district. they do not have the same level of resources. i can't necessarily say that resources -- have more challenges compared to their urban peers. there is a concern with access to resources. as we moved toward elevating the role of telehealth and tele-therapy, in some of these rural communities, they don't

have the technological infrastructure to offer these types of services to students. while you might live in a part of the country where you always have five bars on your cell phone or you get five -- 5g, places that don't have internet, it is harder to connect students to services, even in a virtual environment. host: let's talk to jason. he is a parent in san jose, california. caller: i am so glad you guys are talking about this issue. i think you are totally right. thank you. guest: i always enjoy being told i'm right. host: dors is a student in holyoke, massachusetts. -- doris is a student in holyoke, massachusetts. caller: hi. my name is doris and you can probably find a video where i spoke. first, yes, there is not enough sufficient funding or services for students.

every student is different. every student learns differently at a different pace and different time. we react to different things emotionally. there aren't enough teachers to help and support every student. not every teacher is there to help and support every student. and there are not enough therapists that can possibly handle or manage an entire school full of students. that is not possible, not humanly possible. and not every school has a therapist and not every teacher is going to help every student. there are programs that are offered to help. there is a program called white house holyoke and it is structured differently than how a normal educational system is structured. it is not five days a week. you can learn everything you learn in a normal educational system but it focuses on extracurricular activity. they remove important things from the educational system like languages and extracurricular

activities, which is something that supports a student's mental health. if they are moving funding over things that support students mental health, how are students expecting teachers or the entire system to support them mentally? they are not, because they are told to support themselves. how are they supposed to help somebody else? it comes full circle, everything matters. teachers are considered slightly above students at times. that needs to end. when you look at the structure of how lighthouse is built and it is set, its structure is completely different. host: doris, what grade are you in? caller: that doesn't matter. just say i'm in college. host: i was curious. you obviously have a very good grasp of the issues. guest: thank you for your passion and your advocacy that you are doing for schools. i hope you're able to make some

headway where you are in getting access to a wide variety of support for the student that you are working with. host: wassau, wisconsin, a parent is calling us. karen. caller: good morning. i think that if they had a doctor, a psychiatrist coming into the school, starting in the elementary school, to talk to the kids to tell them that your parents cannot abuse you, they can't be sexually or physically abused, they should come and talk to you. you will be coming back every month or every two weeks and you can deal with the problem in elementary school instead of waiting until high school. also, i think that parents need to stop letting kids have telephones and computers. because they really can't think for themselves. or critically have a conversation and analyze the situation on their own because they are relying on a another source to solve all of their problems.

and also, throwing more money at the system is not going to help because psychologists do not as well -- do as well as psychiatrists. they have a different dimension and are doctors. they went to school for years to help the child. didn't go to school to open the door to say i'm going to have you come in once a week. they are there to help the person. i have one quick thing i wanted to mention. they have a system in our school that people can dress up as cats and dogs and then they don't have to communicate. i tried to tell the school, please let a doctor come in and talk to these kids. stuff is going on at home and we can't control that. they said we can't have that because then we have to follow through with the problem. that's the problem! we need to have someone in there to talk to the kids once a month

or once every two weeks. and these kids should not be separated. they should be included in the system. one other thing, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not steal. thou shalt be kind. you can learn that in a colloquial school. i trust every single person i graduated with. host: that was a lot there. let's get a response. guest: i think you're exactly right in what you have described . it is happening. we have counselors and psychologists and social workers who are in the school, beginning early, teaching kids, here is how to ask for help. here is how to identify your emotions if you are worried about yourself or someone else. here are some of the people you can talk to so we can work with you and the family to get you the help that you need. i think the fact that a psychologist isn't as good of a

resource as a psychiatrist is false. psychiatrists are medical doctors. most of the time, they are focused on educational management and they are a critical member of behavioral elf teams for some students. a lot of what you are describing might be called the mental health crusade to help kids understand how to be kind, how to ask for help and how to deal with certain emotions. that is often embedded into classroom instruction, anyway. and certainly the school psychologist can facilitate the conversation which is the more reason we need to be sure we are investing in adequate access, so that nobody has to wait a month to talk to a mental health professional. they are already there in the schools and can see them on the spot. host: janet is in midlothian, virginia, on our line for others. good morning. caller: hi, good morning. i have a different perspective about this. glenn youngkin, who is the governor here in virginia, now,

basically ran and won on critical race theory that he taught in schools. i think what students are learning or hearing at home is different from what they are hearing or learning in schools. it is hard for some of these kids to process. and i think some of them are confused about certain things. ironically, glenn youngkin, the governors mansion he lives in is blocks from where slaves were sold in richmond, virginia. richmond was the capital of the confederacy. i think there needs to be more looked at in terms of what kids are learning in schools and how they are learning at home. i don't think it is the kids fault with some of these parents are pushing stuff that is not happening. and trying to disguise the truth of what has happened. i think some of these kids are

confused and it is hard for them to process what is going on. and i believe that contributes to some of the mental health issues that are going on. host: all right. go ahead. guest: i would say thank you. i lived in virginia. i am a parent and i think it is incredibly important that we are empowering parents to be engaged in their child's education so they can help and process some of the content they are learning in the classroom. host: we will wrap up with ann. caller: good morning and thank you for having the conversation. and thank you for providing the insight you have so far. i am interested, kelly, in hearing your importance -- thoughts on the importance of diversifying the gender and race ethnicity. i do believe about 80% -- it is

about 80% female and 80% to 90% white. my biggest concern is that we see special education identification, two to one, boys to girls. in some areas, we see three to one, boys to girls. what is the national specification of school psychologists doing to try to address this issue? guest: we could spend an entire day talking about what you just said and i think you are exactly right. by and large, the profession of school psychologists, we are largely white, female, able-bodied in this profession. we recognize the need to diversify our profession. it is important that students see themselves, and that

includes the mental health professionals they are working with. it is a priority of our association to diversify the profession and to quite honestly diversify our leadership bodies so that as we are making decisions and developing recourse and policies we want to push forth, that we are considering a diverse set of viewpoints. we have been highly focused on exposing a more diverse population of high school and college students in the field of school psychology as a way of attracting them into the field. we are hoping that some of the money that is coming out of the bipartisan communities that we worked really hard to make sure that some of those moneys were earmarked for attracting and training diverse candidates. there is a significant lack of training programs for school psychologists at hbcus or tsi's or other minority serving institutions. most of the psychology training programs are at the traditional

obligee universities. we are working to open new programs there and think of more creative alternative pathways to begin a more diverse workforce into the profession, including those who have disabilities, including those who identify as lgbtq. certainly we want to make sure that the cultural, the cultural and racial and ethnic makeup of our profession is moving toward matching that of the students that we serve. so, i appreciate you acknowledging the importance of diversity and can assure you that this is a high priority for our association and we are working very hard to make sure our force becomes more diverse. host: kelly strobach, policy and advocacy director of the national association of school psychologists, thank you for joining us. guest: thanks for having me. host: that's all the time we have for this segment. coming up, it is our weekly spotlight on podcast segments, we are featuring politico energy

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c-span now app. >> washington journal continues. host: welcome back to "washington journal." i will be taking your calls for about half an hour on anything public affairs related, politics, anything that happened this week that you would like to talk about the you can give us a call. i want to start by showing you the front page of the washington post. and the article here on the classified papers. it says this paper spotlights bidens delaware trip. the sanctuary is tied up in a probe of classified document. here is what the article says. president biden head wrapped up a routine weekend visit to his home in the summer. one that included pre-christmas errands at a local strip mall, a stop at his nearby golf club and a mass at his church five minutes from his house.

his lawyers alerted the justice department to some troubling news. inside the garage, they had located a batch of classified documents that dated to ayden's time as vice president. that finding set off a political scare and prompted merrick garland to appoint a special counsel. but, beyond that, it has drawn attention to what has become a defective extension of the white house. a place where joe biden goes most weekends, in an attempt to maintain the routine he has kept throughout his political career. it has been a dream home that he and his wife constructed. it has been a retreat where he spent months of covert quarantine and ran a winning campaign. it has been the scene of family celebrations. and now, it is the scene of a special counsel investigation. and we have calls already lined up. let's go ahead and start talking to, first, edward in new york,

new york on the republican line. good morning. caller: i'm happy to be here. this is my second time calling in. i just want to follow-up on the previous segment. i would give the republicans -- the republicans in the house a b on their performance. there are messaging bills that won't go far in the senate. my concern, i'm a republican, my concern is that they will be investigating and not legislating. i hope that does not come to pass. the other thing is, on the education, the education budget here is $34 billion in the city and their are about 1800 schools and 1,100,000 students.

i have been told there are more black students here in houston and los angeles and chicago combined -- here than in houston, los angeles and chicago combined. i have been doing volunteer work, reading to kids. and also drug and alcohol education programs with high school students. and, i have to tell you, it is tough. my heart goes out to these teachers. i could not do that every day. i almost came away very depressed. many of those students are just lost. they are completely lost. and adding $1 billion of psychological counseling nationwide i don't think is going to do that. i'm not sure what the answer is. i have no recommendations. i know from my own experience

that it is a tough grind. and there we go. host: all right. let's talk next to john in lincoln, nebraska on the democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. my concern with this classified stuff, to me, it seems like a joke to some of these politicians. and with the oil reserve and stuff and china and all of that stuff, you look at this, the republicans are talking about oil and not sending it to china or selling it to china. you look at all of the business we have in this country, how much business do we do with china? it's not just oil. i am worried about some of our -- you know -- our defense programs that we have. something like who makes the missiles? who makes the connector park to go -- part two go to our missiles? i'm assuming it is not in the united states. i'm assuming they contract that worked out to china. that has to be a concern, right?

host: it is a concern and there are regulations in the defense department to secure that supply chain and make sure the components are not necessarily made in america but at least by partners or allies or people that are not considered adversaries. caller: i believe we should do more business with our allied countries and maybe south america. we can win the hearts and minds of people in south america. should focus on that. thank you. host: roger is next in raleigh, north carolina. independent line, good morning. roger, are you there? all right. let's talk to pat in new jersey. republican line. caller: good morning, c-span. my comment is that congress should get an a because cleaning house is the first step. inflation is rising but money is

not the answer. bible reading reduced -- reduces mental illness greatly. that is backed by science. the born alive act protects and cares for a baby who has survived an abortion, which is a violent act of murder. 200 democrats voted no. shame on them. thank you. host: all right. other news, this is from cnbc.com. it says this. the u.s. will hit its debt limit on thursday. congress was not afraid -- notified that it will reach its statutory debt limit. and urged kevin mccarthy to suspend or increase the debt limit. let's talk to ed, in buoy, marilyn. caller: morning. i am following this story and

i'm looking at the timing of it in regards to the documents of president biden. it conveniently the boom of donald trump. i do not recall reading with they went in -- trying to get information on the democratic committee leader. they went in twice and the second time is when they got called, they were plumbers. we have a group of planters, the plumbers were from -- i think they not using them anymore. they probably broke in overnight especially in his office he had not been to in years.

they planted that information. i am praying they will review the video and who went inside of the office, we will learn. this is too convenient. it is a political hit job. host: let's take a look at white house press secretary, she address questions about president biden's knowledge of the justice department announcement of a special counsel investigation. [video clip] >> when was the president informed of the special counsel? >> the specifics of that, i can tell you we were not given a heads up. we do not know that that was the announcement going to come yesterday and so after it happened. anything else specific to with

the president knew or anything related to this, i refer you to the white house counsel's office. many of you i am looking at have been in close touch with my colleagues there. i will continue to refer you to my colleague at the white house counsel's office. >> what is this confirm for us? given that the justice department cited personal counsel having made this initial react -- outreach to the national archives, is that the person who these question should be directed to? >> whatever the white house counsel colleague told you in your conversation, you spoke or connected earlier today, i ask them that question. anything related to the review, i refer you to the department of justice. host: it is open forum.

we are taking your calls. next up is john in massachusetts on the independent line. are you there, john? caller: yes, i am here. thank you for taking my call. we have a government who is fermenting terrorism, not here, but also abroad. we invade countries for the resources. but you do not want them to come here. we allied with communists and bashes, like germany. we fight with hiller. how do you expect the american people who give their money to tax to run the government and what the government does is allied with the very people they say we are not supposed to be allied with and we are going to

third world countries, where invading their countries. overthrowing the democratic conventions for a profit. host: which countries have we invaded lately? caller: in the 1970's we try to overthrow. we basically murdered kennedy. host: ok. allen in florida, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am wondering why there is not a chain of custody on classified documents. if there is, was it followed? if there is not, shouldn't the house in both parties create chain of custody laws?

host: tell me more about what you mean by chain of custody. caller: i go to the library and when i check out a book they put the bugbear as he did -- but in the dispenser and it indicates it is being checked out. there were track -- there were track of my book or other item is past the due date. why can't classified documents have a system where they know who has the documents? checked out and whether the document was returned. shouldn't national archives have a record of that? host: ok. let's talk to selma in new york, democrat. caller: good morning. i am calling about the documents of my president.

it -- they plant the evidence on him. host: why do you think that? caller: we have a brain. we see what is going on. it is a crime. somebody wit in his house when he was not there and they plant the evidence. every person i spoke to know it is a plot. no one believes it. no one is taking it serious. god bless you. host: here is news from the hill.com the headline says mccarthy says he will look at expunging trumps impeachment and the article says, the house speaker said thursday, he would consider expunging one or both of former president trump's impeachment. it says quote i will understand why members will want to bring that forward in response to a

question at a press conference before listing off several key priorities for house republicans. he says, understand why individuals want to do it and we look at it. peers -- pierce in indiana, good morning. caller: good morning. longtime listener, second time caller. i got cable in the country. i have been watching c-span ever since. i grew up on susan, steve. i cannot remember of the gentleman who recently passed. host: luke. caller: yes. you have an excellent staff. used to be you would divide your call in between time zones and people were respectful.

they were considerate. there were intellectual -- they were intellectual and now a day's you have to go through the insults. you do not have the same format that i always look forward to listening to. i still get up optimistic in the morning and i enjoy your topics, but i have to wade through a lot of political ignorance to get any type of information. i feel for y'all because y'all deserve a better audience than what you get sometimes. not all of the times. i still get information from the program. that is why i continue to watch. i wish people were more respectful and use the format as it was intended.

information instead of the insults. host: i'm glad you stuck with us. let's talk to kent in illinois on the republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. i am a 75-year-old man and i've seen a lot of amazing things in my life. but of these things, nothing more amazing than the fact so many of our young kids, they pick this up in schools, somehow we are going to replace fossil fuels with windmills and solar energy. this just boggles my mind. it is so unbelievable because it is impractical. it will not ever work. we have 500 years of gold beneath our feet.

we will have to be smart enough to use it not believe that man can control the weather. we think we can control the weather. to me and we are going to bankrupt the nation in the process of doing this. we got our president calling countries like saudi arabia pariahs then we go over and begged them for the fuel we have here. i cannot believe -- i know it is being done by liberals. the positives we have now might say something like, hey, the wind gives us 9% of our energy. the sun 39% altogether. as a veteran of the united states navy, i served three tours of duty off the coast of north vietnam. when we launched and recovered

jets going in and out of combat every day. host: we are going to have our next segment on energy. be sure to stick with us on that. eve in michigan on the democrats line. the morning -- good morning. caller: good morning. several other people still might better but i'm going to say it anyway, the republican party came out with and i would not give them -- will give them a grade, i give them a f. the problem here is the scene with the republican party is out of a movie. everybody knows the stuff was planted. how was the world you have papers found in the president house after six years?

you have a in the cia and fbi that will do a job like this. it is not make any sense. i do not believe one bit of it. the republican party is a wannabe. host: mike in california on the independent line, good morning. caller: good morning. i have a positive. number one a, congratulations to c-span on the coverage last week , the selection of the speaker. my proposal would be they know this week the 16th through 20th, their meeting in switzerland and they have put their agenda on the internet for anyone to go view it in the next five days or so.

among the participants are some of our elected people, christopher to, joe manchin the third. public service and how they are able to participate in local forums to see what the lead crowd -- elite crowd has planned for us. our people are participating in our people are not given access to what is being discussed. people talk about with the house is going to accomplish. these globalists have an influence on our people. if c-span could somehow come up with an international affiliate and broadcast the meetings, i would ask you look into that. they have other people like albert of pfizer and all of our concerns about the vaccine. they are planning to do more of that and they will be talking

about it over in switzerland. that is my suggestion. brian lamb and the powers as c-span consider expanding their coverage to include the elite groups who are making decisions in our name. john kerry is going to be over there. he is the representative for the white house. a whole bunch of our other national security people. host: ok. we heard your suggestion. we appreciate it. lauren in new hampshire on the democrats line. caller: good morning. i agree with the gentleman who regulated the handling of the documents to library cars. that was perfect. i have a question. i hope someone can answer it. in regards to immigration, do we have laws that have been passed

that show what i immigration policy? is a policy or a law? if anybody can answer that for me, i would appreciate it. host: that's all the time we have for our calls. i want to make sure you know about the state of the union coming up. kevin mccarthy has tweeted it he has invited the president to come to congress and destination on february 7. we will have the coverage live here on c-span network and online. up next, our weekly spotlight on podcasts segment. the podcast we are talking about is political energy and the host is josh siegel. he previews house republicans energy agenda and the battles ahead with senate democrats and the biden administration. do not go anywhere. we will be right back.

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trouble, sunday night 8:00 p.m. eastern on the q&a. you listen to q&a and our podcasts on our free c-span now at. >> washington journal continues. host: welcome back. my guess is josh siegel. the host of politico energy podcasts. welcome to the program. guest: thank you for having me. host: if you like to call in and join the conversation, you can do that on our lines by party affiliation. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. the start of the podcast itself. tell me about it. wh did it start and what is the format? guest: the podcasts comes out

every weekday morning and i have been the house for about a year now. i cannot tell you how long it has been going on, but the idea is episode 6-8 minutes at times, up to 10 minutes. we interviewed fellow reporters on the political pro imaging team, sometime we have guest from europe there's a story happening there, any news. it is to give you insight to the biggest energy new stories that are happening. i interviewing a colleague about the biggest story might be going on the ford look. we take you behind the scenes of the reporting. insight driven, not trying to be

the news of the day, but what can people learn that they may not get from reading the story and get insight on things lawmakers are telling us. people in power outside of congress. that is the idea. sometimes we have policymakers on when there's something big going on. typically it is a fellow journalist. host: let's talk about the halls of congress. the republicans took control of the house for about a week. let's talk about what is on their agenda as far as climate and energy goes. guest: the biggest piece of it is going to be oversight. house republicans led by the chair of the committee, kathy rogers, she is the chair of energy and commerce committee,

and she has reviewed and agenda over the energy department with new funding through democrat trademark climate law, the inflation reduction act. there bring up a company that would under during the obama administration. that is going to be the biggest piece. similarly looking oil and gas, policies on federal land. there are also promising legislative package, which is interesting because the democrats have the senate and biden is in the white house. the parties do not see eye to eye to have to go to about dealing with energy, climate change. public is our new in --

republicans are saying different approaches of how to deal with climate change. but they are saying they will put forward a package and maybe there is pieces we can get a law. host: are there areas you think the republicans and democrats with the white house could come together on climate energy? guest: i think permanent reform. this is code for building projects, infrastructure projects faster. republicans, this started when senator joe manchin late last year him voting for the inflation reduction act, to pursue a bill. they shot the past performance

-- tried to pass at the legislation and it did not progress because republicans are posted. -- opposed it. polk's have been wanting reform to help the gas pipeline to get these bills faster but they are posted. they sent we were not part of the process. but in this congress now that republicans have the house, they play they can draw the conversation. the democrats are interested because clean energy, that is where most of the energy going to get built here in the coming years, and there's never such a problem with that. the inflation reduction act, subsidies for different technologies, but the promise of the law, you have to build long distance transmission power lines to transmit power from urban to rural areas.

there is an aligning of interest. we will see if they can find the sweet spot. there were not able to do it last year. but things are different maybe as he a divided congress. host: there's an article here on fox, democrats joining gop and vote to block biden from selling strategic oil reserves to china. subheading, more than half of house democrats supported the gop measure. tell us about that legislation. what is it do? if it passes the senate and signed into law, what impact will it have? guest: this was seen as a republican messaging bill. as you said, it gained more than 100 democratic votes which was telling. from house republicans was they did not like how president biden use the strategic reserve over the last year with energy prices

superhigh, mostly because of the invasion of ukraine. the president use that to bring down prices. he said it was an emergency situation because it was driven by a war, but republicans felt like he was using it for political purposes. the high prices were waiting on his approval of course. china was able to get out of this oil from our reserves. a minuscule amount. republicans thought it was good politics is a china, which is an adversary, where competing with is the energy form, it should not be able to get our strategic oil. democrats ended up voting for it because i talked to a's on the democratic side and it is politically popular to be tough on china.

it was smart firm republicans in that way. demo has voted against it even if they felt like it was political bill. i'll be doubtful because it would have practical impact. most of the oil that goes to china is not there are strategic reserve -- through our strategic reserve. market impact would not be significant. i did the politics were telling -- i think the politics were interesting and democrats felt like they had to vote for it. host: let's talk to our callers. steve in ohio. caller: good morning. if we look at our country's history, the combustion engine is what got our country started.

diane harry ford and we can go on. do you believe energy is a national security risk if we do not have enough when we needed? changing things -- i have been in the car industry for 40 years. we get in our car and there's so much going on we you talk about, but he said your an you started -- your key in and you started but if you have to start your car and you have no power, it is a brand-new technology people do not quite understand. they think we're going to change, but how do you change a country that has so much energy? we had all of the energy and oil we needed. why would anybody change their family and other kids you cannot

have this because were going to start changing this? guest: i think you're talking about transitioning our economy all fossil fuels. it is a challenge. it is going to take decades. the biden administration is aware of that and that is why you do not see them putting in mandates to say we are banning fossil fuels cars by this date. it is not something they have said. they have goals. there climate law is incentive driven. they give subsidies to developers of clean energy projects. it is not just wind and solar, it is carbon capture, which is hydrogen which can be made from fossil fuels. they realize how difficult this is going to be. it has been underscored by the russian invasion of ukraine and the higher energy prices.

the concept of energy security is getting more prominence now and we are realizing how hard it is going to be to transition the economy off of fossil fuels. you made a valid point, but i do think the democrats in power right now seems understand that and are being careful to not force anything through. host: nikki inseam was -- in missouri. caller: regarding the mining of the ground, they thought some in europe. as the offset of your new solutions going to take care of the pollution of the mining, disrupting the earth? what we do with the batteries ? in your global warming, are you calculating and factoring in cosmic laws of radiation from

the sun's input yucca -- says input? guest: i'm not too familiar with your letter -- letter point. it's going to be one of the big definitive issues as the economy transitions and we need all these critical minerals, lithium, copper, and the u.s. -- is not easy to develop these in the u.s. democrats acknowledge that we are going to have to own sure. love it were getting get from china -- a lot of it we are getting from china and it is not politically appealing.

these countries do not have good human right records. there are national security issues they are. forgot to get a ton of these critical minerals. they use a lot critical minerals in electric vehicles, when panels, wind turbines. that is something both parties when we talk about bipartisan, there republicans emphasize reducing reliance on china and russia for critical minerals, and easing the permitting around mining. it is of the something where you could see overlap. and i expected to be an emphasis of republican legislation i mentioned earlier. host: we have a tweet that ask, please define energy independence and how we measure it?

guest: it has been oversimplified. you're never going to be able to clinically develop all of your own energy. we have a global marketplace by the u.s. as never use only his own energy sources. what it should mean and what apps that experts seem to think it means, is get an emergency you are sufficient. you've are a strong week resource base and do trade with allies and others. i think that concept has gotten politicized somewhat. it is not mean we are demanding oil and gas. where to mandate -- developing all sorts of sources. i think certain politicians use it strictly from an oil and gas

and that is just not a government driven process. the u.s. has private companies and public is like to say, why companies are producing as much as they were preparing to make a lot of reasons behind that and it is not the government is a part of it. they have policies and how you can develop on federal land, but independent companies, our own private land. it is contingent on -- host: deborah in maryland, good morning. caller: i have a similar question. i have been reading a lot of articles. they insist that we are still energy independent. did define energy independence of exporting more than we import. they have a headline back in october saying u.s. energy dependent growth.

c-span never have anybody on this point of view. i never hear this. i want your opinion on this. i assume you're familiar with the articles. on the other hand, if you define energy independence we do not import any foreign oil. that has not been true since world war ii. it was not true under trump and it is not true now. if you define energy independence as exporting more than we import, that was true under true -- trump and it is true now. guest: that is true. that is a way to define it. the u.s. became energy exporter temporarily under the trump administration.

if you view independent -- energy independence that way, it is hard to argue we do not have that. at the moment, the u.s. is a top three oil producer. we know russia's position in the world is altered by what they did in ukraine. a lot of experts do not expect russia to have that producer in exporter. they did not think it will continue. given how europe is the predominant user of russian energy and is trying to move off of it and succeeded in certain ways already. the u.s. position as a global energy is going to enhance given russia has fallen back as saudi arabia is still there, but i definition you raised -- by the definition you have raised, energy independent. host: we have a text that says,

could you speak to exxon mobil knowing about harmful fossil fuel use in the 1970's? covering up their own study that proves climate change israel? guest: that was a big focus of house democrats when they controlled the house last congress. a democrat of california, they got document subpoena from the company's including . and they show they know about climate. -- the climate threat and they were -- show companies now, they invest in carbon capture, hydrogen, and they want to be a

part of the solution, but in the internal communications, there making light of climate change and how hard this transition will be. from the oil majors perspectives now they are saying we should be focusing on what is to come and have gotten the memo. exxon has been upfront and send climate changes of thread and -- threat and we need to use technology to get out of it. their argument is it is the past. it is very valid. the house democrats have shown we are still seeing the companies in communications with themselves making light of it. we will see. their investment dollars are deal -- geared towards the

fossil fuel side. we will see how the investments increase in the coming years. host: victoria in taxes on the republican line. caller: good morning. i want to know when is congress going to do oversight on the providers like the electric providers that are using different grids in residential homes by charging different rates. residential home, i found out my home should of had a pastor meter to measure my electric flow but instead when the provider came out, they realize i had a meter for solar energy. for the past two years i have been paying according to isolate meter and -- a solar meter and

it is a problem for consumers to fight the providers when we have problems with the grid being wrong. what can be done about this? holding these providers accountable? inflation increase everywhere. not only energy but food and everything. host: let's get a response. guest: sorry to hear that. it is not an issue i believe is all congress radar. i know the regulatory commission the agency that oversees the wholesale power markets in u.s. they have very -- various commissions delegate that at the local level. i would imagine that would be a local issue. thanks for raising that. sorry to hear. host: mike in ohio, independent line. caller: good morning.

thank you for taking my call. someone else just brought up the part about exxon mobil's 40 year study about how they are -- their products affect climate change but another thing to show the massive corruption in our government, i see joe manchin's now former chief of staff, lance west, has reported in axios. he just took a position as a lobbyist for the american petroleum institute. i am short when he was chief of staff for one of the most corrupt politicians we have in the government, that the oil and gas industry had no effect on joe manchin's decision especially with the backroom

deals they made. maybe you could talk about that. guest: clearly joe manchin was influential vote of the democrats inflation reduction ad from last congress. build back better became the inflation reduction act because of joe manchin's marketing of it. you're right in that if you are not for joe manchin, i do not know if we would have seen that bill go towards fossil fuels in certain ways. it is a climate bill because it is the strongest investment we have seen in low carbon technologies but there are pieces in their that would help fossil fuels, dictate that the government, federal land, in order to option off federal lands for renewables.

those things have to be done. may she wants all of the above -- joe manchin was all of the bug. he downplays his stakes. west virginia topical producer and now in -- top coal producer. his argument for carbon capture for the energies of the future the could play a role in west virginia, help fill the jobs that are lost in fossil fuels industries. that is all he positions it. as far as farces will influence over the bill, you are right. aggressive democrats thought it -- progressive democrats thought it leaned towards fossil fuels but it was the best he could do for climate.

as mentioned -- joe manchin did not voted for it, but deep in the senate, it would not pass. host: in florida, democrats line. caller: good morning. let's ask you if you are familiar about the technology happening with cream ammonia --green ammonia and the move of corporations investing in the carbon freeze fuel source. it seemed like a big deal but i did not hear anything about it on the news. is it on your radar? can you speak to it? guest: it not one of the technologies that comes up in context of inflation reduction act. there were all sorts of technology hitting credit but that was not one. it is a big focus of exxon. and some of the oil majors are looking at it. as farces roles in carbon premix

-- far as it's role in carbon premix in the policy make a level, i hear about carbon patcher -- capture, nuclear reactors, wind and solar, getting more attention. ammonia i know is one that exxon has looked at, but not much here from a policymaking side. host: there was knows about gas those and the possibility of banning gas those -- gas stoves. where did that come from? guest: double up in congress -- that blew up in congress and it stems from the consumer product safety commission saying this was one of the things we are looking at among other options

to do with potential health hazards from gas stoves and banning them in new buildings and homes. he is one of five commissioners and the chairman came out and said this is not something we are considering. i think it blew up. it is not anything in an immediate action at the federal level. it is not coming up in the white house. but it does fit in with the culture wars and the backlash, even the democrats, as you saw the biden administration quick defense was notable. any kind of sort of mandate, regulation -- july she came out hard against the idea. he's always been where the republicans are.

it is a no go in you have a state politics. people do not want to be told what to do what they can and cannot use, even if it might be benefits for the environment. that is why you are seeing policymakers with incident -- incentivizing. i do think you're going to see this gap -- gas issue be it from stove tops and also premises play out at the stake -- furnanc es play out at the state and local level. the fed is looking at it too even though they are not looking at it seriously. we see a hundred cities including new york and san francisco, seattle, they have some new homes. we sell washington last year -- saltwater to ban gas heat requiring heat pumps.

we saw this week new york's governor oppose what would be the first statewide ban on the gas stoves in new homes and apartments. it is an issue states and cities are taking on promote climate perspective. as far as, you saw the response that it is a no go at the federal level but it is an issue. billings play a significant role in our emissions. host: from michigan, good morning. caller: good morning, america. c-span communist spreading up again at. another saturday, anti-oil addition. this guy use the word, and the word is would get -- wicked.

it is going to be wicked for the transition off of oil and gas. we would not want to push that because we have billionaires like bill gates who want to get it down to a billion people. clean energy movement is antihuman at his core and it is hilarious. we are talking about x head of the cio saying we are going to take your stove away and this guy who use the word wicked on how they're going to take things away from people and now you brought up the gas though thing -- gas stove thing. thank you very much for that. these people will not stop until they are stopped. host: what do you think? guest: i did not catch a questionnaire.

-- i did not catch a question there. the stove issue is important to people. i will emphasize it is not something the consumer product safety commission is taking up. my look at regulating -- they may look at regulating natural gas like a label that says these are health hazards, but very early days. he is one of five chairs but he's not looking to ban gas stoves. host: mike in illinois on the independent line. caller: hello. thank you for taking my question here. my question is, why are we pushing the electrifying of united states so quickly?

it is a financial issue. i have a daughter who teaches. the kids parents cannot fill up their gas tanks to go to and from work. a good example would be, flat screen's. when they first came out, probably before you were born, a 40 inch tv cause $10,000 -- cost $2000 and now that 40 inch tv because a $150. while reinforcing the electrifying vehicles on the united states people? the united states is leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else in the world, including china, which is being treated like a third world country but they are not. other countries are not even

doing a minuscule amount of climate change legislation. while reinforcing the issue of the american people -- while reinforcing the issue on the american people? guest: at the federal level, there is no policy in place that is forcing fossil fuels out of the economy. the approach is incentives which are subsidies. now you are seeing incentives given carbon free technologies, not just wind and solar, carbon capture. i've heard republicans tell me some of the pieces of the inflation reduction act were independently considered, they would have voted for them. they cannot vote for them in the entire package. it did not include them.

that tells you, the approach that policymakers are taking right now is not forcing a state like california has mandates around when new cars can be fossil fuel free. that is an exception. because of political volatility of this issue because of the challenges around expenses. electric vehicles have a higher of protocols. combustion, fossil fuels vehicles. the ideas over time they are making money and of charging stations. when a seller are cheaper than fossil fuels in certain areas -- wind and solar are cheaper than fossil fuels in certain areas of the country. policymakers are aware it is a long transition. it is going to be challenging. host: elliot from minnesota on

the democrats line. caller: hi. i will try not to be too long-winded and repetitive like some people. if perches ago, -- a person said gasoline engines, why would we throw them out when they were invented by ford at the beginning of the century. that is not true. technology takes a hundred years to develop. in this case, i googled a bit to confirm my memory. the steam engine, the first ride, the first successful ride down the hudson river was 1807. steamboats pulling water and

creating steam around the engines. there must have been other attempts to have seen before that. the first internal combustion engine was around 1860. i saw some other one in 1875 or so. for those not the early 1900s -- ford was not until the early 1900s. i have a question, could you answer about nuclear plants and fusion? guest: that is a good question. events nuclear reactors are smaller than a traditional light water reactors and we are seeing a number of u.s. companies love

them and invest in the technology. you are seeing policymakers on both sides of the aisle acknowledged that nuclear has to play a role in addressing climate change. that is from the existing and these are expensive to build and it is why you are seeing images in the small the reactors. there some time away for their commercialized. we do not know when that will happen. the regulatory commission is looking at the it and it could be the late fifth decade where we see the first. that is big question. how much of the future makes this a play and how quickly can they come online given climate

there is a time element to it. we are going to see investments continue to flow in advance of the reactors we have seen and congress promoted. they are eligible for the subsidies in the inflation reduction act. we had the big breakthrough at the end of last year. that is a huge breakthrough. they made a huge deal out of it. it was bipartisan. enthusiasm about that. that will may be longer off but it is essential reward. host: one more call to jerry. caller: i spent 20 years with

the call and bill truck and send it out to the power plan. the next day it will be back for another load. solar panels, yesterday got the material to make the solar panel but once you make the solar panel it is good for 30 years. you're not going to have to do anymore material like we did when we were getting call -- coal. the one thing we need to do is do a survey. and what kind of logical difference it will make? thank you for your time. guest: really interesting to hear her perspectives. thank you for sharing that. make a good point. any sort of energy source might have an impact on the environment.

experts are united around generating wind and solar. it is not the same level degradation. it is pollution than fossil fuels. there are questions about land-use. it is going to be a part of the debate like it was for fossil fuels. we are seeing them play out with clean energy. it is going to be tit-for-tat over environmental concerns. the need to address climate change. that is one issue i am following. they need to do so much more. it is going to take up land. how to respond to that? can we build things quicker? is there a counter to that at the state and local level for people who do not want to see or experience it directly? we will see. thank you for raising your perspective. host: josh siegel host of the podcast political energy.

thank you for being on the program. guest: thank you for having me. host: tomorrow president biden will travel to atlanta for part the team he will speak at the ebenezer baptist church. watch live coverage on c-span, c-span now, or online at c-span.org. that is all we have the time for today. that is today's washington journal. we will be back tomorrow morning, 7 a.m. eastern, and in the meantime, have a great saturday. ♪ [captioning performe

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