washington journal, before be get your calls, i want to show you this article. this is from memphis, it's the commercial appeal headline video shows police kicking, pepper spring, beating tyre nichols after a traffic stop. they tased, pepper spray to end brutally beat tyre nichols. according to video footage released by memphis. the footage which comes from a skycap -- sky cop camera is split into four videos. police can be heard yet -- yelling at to nichols to get out of his car and forcibly removing him. the video has been described by law enforcement and attorneys as absolutely appalling. the video so officers kicking nichols at least twice in the face, striking him at least

three or four times with a baton in the upper body area, punching him at least four times to the face, punching him at least two more times to the upper body area and kicking him at least twice. -- in the abdomen. we are going to show you a very short piece of from that surveillance video, just a warning that some viewers might find this disturbing. take a look here, president biden spoke with reporters last night after watching the video and talking to mr. nichols mother. >> we talked about, as you hurt her when she spoke publicly, she also talked about how she didn't know what she was going to do. i told her that i had some idea.

of what that loss was like and although it's possible to believe now, the time will come when it will be a smile before tear. >> that was president biden speaking about the video, there were protests but here is an npr article saying, headline mostly peaceful protests after the release of tyre nichols video. numerous, mostly peaceful protests, were held across the u.s. following friday's release of body camera footage of the killing of tyre nichols. all five officers involved in his arrest were fired and charged with second-degree murder, assault and kidnapping earlier this week. protests in some cities lead to the calling of the national guard while others affected transit. in memphis, where nichols died, a group of demonstrators gathered at a downtown park and

then took to the streets, shutting down the i-55 rage over the mississippi river. -- bridge over the mississippi river. they shouted justice for tyree. they closed the bridge for nearly three hours before peacefully disbanding. we are getting your reaction also about police reform. anything that you would support, we will go now to the phones. philip is in jackson, mississippi. caller: what a privilege to have an opportunity to express my deepest thoughts about the situation. i have been very interested in what people do as far as the development ever since the civil rights era. i'm born in 1957, that should tell you a little bit about my background as far as history.

i've seen the evolution, of america's attempt to grow from the hate and prejudice and racism, it seems to always stall out. i get in the car, it's a beautiful car, i'm going and to the next thing you know there's something breaking down on it and you continue to throw money into it but it never solves the problem. however, people need to understand, there is hate and violence and too many people are taught that, from day one, it doesn't just start with police brutality. it starts with brutality in our minds, what we are taught to believe how we have to react to everything. i don't want to get too wordy and talk about how much -- how painful and embarrassing it was

to watch what happened within our own community, the self-hate of the overall hate that persists in this country. it was quite -- it took me back to something that happened to me in georgia where i was arrested for nothing. just driving while black back in the day, 20 years ago. it was the most frightening thing to know that police could just manipulate the situation. host: what ended up happening? caller: my friend were traveling for a vacation, she had a mild heart attack.

i had a small amount of marijuana, if you had a half of a penny and cut to that in half, that's what they coerced us to showing them. they had accused us of trafficking. we had just come out of a gas station. she had a mild heart attack, they took me to jail, i stayed there for 18 hours until i got my bail money. and i was able to return back to maryland where i lived. that ended up where i found a decent lawyer, i had a lot of friends in the justice system. it turned out to be a lesson to warn me about the coming times that we are living in. that's what i'm trying to say. it gave me a warning before, i was one of those ones, it will never happen to you. we are good guys.

policing is only going to be bad for the bad guys. it warned me at that point in time. i wrote about it, it was good therapy. i wrote a book called run in my shoes. host: doors in atlanta georgia, good morning. caller: i watched it and, before they presented it, i believe they hyped it, the news, because it was brutal and excessive. they said, this is going to be inhumane that it was worse than the rodney king beating. i wouldn't compare it to that way. it looked as though they were trying to subdue this man and they used excessive force.

if you are comparing your talent he to another brutality, i would say the rodney king beating was really brutal. what happened with rodney king, he survived. this man died. that was the ultimate type of talent he. -- brutality. what they did, there was a difference. it does say there is a need for police reform. i have worked in police departments where, when i was in high school, i looked out the window one day and saw the police beating, white police beating another white man. i wondered, i went back to my supervisor and said, they are beating somebody out in the parking lot. the supervisor said, you don't know what this person did.

i'm thinking, so that justifies the police beating this man? i went downstairs to watch him coming in, they had his face covered up. this is something that has been going on in police departments. host: what type of reform do think would help? caller: there should be at national guidelines as to what police can do and what the punishment for certain types of police actions have to be taken. it doesn't have to be all that complicated, that they can't do certain things. if a police, these police, they were automatically fired. when they reach a certain level of brutality, don't just say

that, they are put on desk duty or something like to the act. -- something like fact. host: you mentioned the rodney king beating, here is an ap article that says that, attorneys likened nichols arrest to the rodney king beating. it said that attorney said police video viewed by the family on monday showed that nichols was tasered and restrained on january 7. let's go to charles in michigan. caller: i'm enjoying your show, i usually do.

his the thing, -- here's the thing, they are trying to reform policing in this country and i do not agree with that. that means less cops, they want to a reimagined police. that means less police on the ground. when that happens, we need to be all united to take out -- take up arms. what they are doing with the second amendment in this country and to the first amendment, it is unconstitutional. host: you say we need to take up arms to do what? caller: to protect ourselves when they want to take away police. with the atf coming out with

other rules, and the fbi doing what they are doing, they need to be dismantled. there is no call for them. host: the fbi should be dismantled? >> yes. where does it say in the constitution we need the fbi and the atf and the department of education. nowhere. pointed out to me and i will shut up about that. host: let's take a look at, this is a caliper -- gallup poll talking about where americans stand on the need for police reform. it says americans day steadfast on policing reforms in 2022. half support major reform, 39% minor reform, community relations, changes to management

practices. black adults report more positive reactions -- interactions with police than in 2020. it says that broad support remains for reform proposals that don't weaken the police. here are some things that are, two thirds or more strongly or more strongly -- requiring officers to have positive interactions with the community. changing management practices of officer abuses are punished. promoting community-based alternatives such as a violence intervention, ending stop and frisk, changing legal practices so that police officers face legal actions. here's some things that are -- have low support among the public. not a lot of people would support this witches reducing

the budget of police departments and shipping the money to social programs. or abolishing police departments and providing only nonlethal weapons to police forces. those have very low supports among the republic. tyran is next in new york. caller: i've had good experiences and bad experiences with law enforcement. i try not to use a blanket analogy where, whenever i had a bad experience with law enforcement, all police are bad. we have this horrible habit of putting people in one box, when you have a bad experience with one person that means everyone is bad. you have to stop doing that, we have to get out of that habit. host: how? caller: those guys were

horrible. we have to hold the people responsible that do bad things. my problem with that blanket analogy where you want to bring one person -- blame one person, blame everybody for one person's actions is the people that do bad that are in power, we have to know that things -- if they should be held responsible. host: what types of police reforms would you support? caller: i would support that get rid of qualified immunity. i don't think it's right to that the public have to pay for another person's action that, we are outside the boundaries. they have restrictions on them too. they should be held responsible for the restrictions, the disregard. they say, that don't apply to

me. because we have people, the more powerful they get, the less responsible they get for their actions. that's ridiculous. you should be held to a higher standard. police officers are human too, yes they are, but they have the power of life and death on their hip. they need to understand that you have a more higher responsibility. you are treated differently because you have that power. collectively, as a country, we need to understand that there are people in -- they are people in positions in power that should be held to a higher standard because they have that power. we need to stop letting people off because, he's only human. yeah but, you have a responsibility. host: let's go to joseph next in virginia. caller: i could tell you about

two states, detroit michigan, growing up there, police and the courts and police brutality have suffered at their hands many times. thankfully in virginia where i live now, bedford sheriffs, virginia state police, everyone i've met over the years has been polite, professional, helpful. i like to bring up something about all of these cases nobody else brings up. fleeing and alluding, some people think it's a game to take off in their car, take off on foot, wrestle with the police, putting innocent lives at risk. that still does not give anyone the right to be judge, jury and executioner. what happened to that man, i couldn't even watch the whole video, it may be sick to my stomach.

-- it made me sick to my stomach. in detroit, the police beat a man to death in the street, a puddle of blood so bad, the city went out the next day to cover it up. those were well known, the police for brutality. host: what you think is a difference? you draw the distinction between detroit and virginia? what causes them to be different? >> i have no idea, most people in detroit deal with problems on their own because the cops are more corrupt than criminals. i'm white, i was abused by them, i didn't flee, i didn't fight. i got my but kicked more than once for nothing. that's just how they are. host: let's take a look at to the family of tyre nichols spoke to the press yesterday, this is

before the footage was released. >> i really don't know what else to say right now. i've said so many things in the last few days, i want to say, i've never seen the video. but what i've heard is a very horrific. any of you who have children, please don't let them see it. i just want to ask for prayers, for my family, for this whole community, and i want to say to the five police officers, that murdered my son, you also

disgraced your own families. but you know what, i'm going to pray for you and your families because at the end of the day, this shouldn't have happened. this just shouldn't have happened. we want justice for my son. >> justice for tyre. host: that was the mother of tyre nichols, we are taking your calls this morning, your reaction to the video that was released last night and also what you think about police reform and what kind of reforms you would support. take a look at senator marsha

blackburn from tennessee, she tweeted, the footage released tonight is difficult to watch. my office has been in contact with doj and will continue to work with our federal and local officials. i am confident to the memphis police department and state of tennessee will conduct a thorough investigation. doug is next in washington. doug, are you there? no. let's go to vince in georgia. caller: first of all, my heart goes out to tyre nichols family. as everyone has said, the video was hard to watch. my thing is, who is hiring these police officers all across our land who are doing these horrible acts?

the one idea i come up with is, why don't we, we hired to these officers but, when you hire them we hire them under contract. it works with teachers, the first 12 years of an officers service, every two years he does his contract out for review. if he does well, doing good things for the community, doing a good job, he gets a raise. if not, his contract has ended and he's gone because, these guys, it's unbelievable that some of these officers have been on the force for up to nine years. they become part of this scorpion unit. here in atlanta we had a situation like that in the 90's. it was called the red dog. they are straight up bullies, the video i saw last night was truly unacceptable and my heart

goes out to -- host: you would support a hiring practices, that are training -- better training? caller: most in fort lee's accountability, every two years, you are not hired straight up where you are hired from day one. but rather you are hired under a contract. it works with teachers, why can it work for police officers? you are hired for a two-year contract, comes up, you are under review. if it's good, we move on. if not, have a good life. that's all he wanted to put out there. host: wash -- robert is in washington dc. caller: i didn't see the video,

i saw some of the -- out of the white house last night. i saw a similar incident that happened to me in 1992. i was in washington dc. a lot of things started with a new law that, april the second, 1992, george hwbush made a new law towards police to do exactly what they are doing right now. yesterday showed that he gave the police somethi in the law. right after he made that announcement, that same night, i was beaten senseless right ross the street.

-- from the united states national cemeter i was thrown into the street, a car almost rolled over my he. i was thrown against the car. caller: i was in my neighborhood and there was a domestic dispute outside. so i happen to walk over to see what was going on. i knew who it was. there was only one officer at the beginning. so i walked up to the people and then i walked away. i stood away at a distance from them. host: so they thought you were involved in the dispute? caller: [indiscernible] i did not have anything to do with it in the first place. the second police officer came in their cars. i stood a good distance.

i saw the other officer's car. i walked away from them. so then the first officer, he initiated the response and said you need to get away from these police officers. i am 15 thank 20 feet -- 15 to 20 feet away. he looked at me and then walked away. so i am standing there looking. so then the first officer comes out. then he shouted at me. so i start walking away. then he escalated. host: robert, what do you think of any reforms would make sure that does not happen? caller: i do not know, because if the president -- if he initiated this response, a lot

of black men all around d.c. after april 2 were all being harassed out of nowhere. there was no probable cause. i know many police officers. i work for right now one of the trainers in d.c. who is been retired. host: i am going to move on to frank in mannheim, pennsylvania. caller: good morning, ma'am. look, i looked at the whole thing myself and no one is talking about the beautiful things the police chief said. that young lady took care of business, she put the facts out there without all of these complicated words and terminologies. she put it out there like she seen it like it was, and those black officers, they had no reason to do like they did.

they act like they are a bunch of slave catchers for the master. they are like a bunch of wild dogs. they beat that poor man for no good reason, and they were proud of it. they all look like they should be playing on somebody's football team. it is like the honorable mohammed said, we can take care of our own business. she put it out there, and held the punches, just put it out there. we always talk to scrap -- crap. that lady was so on. to think we talk about this place where other martin luther king got shot. black folks have got to wake up, man, because just because you have the same skin does not mean we have anything in common. you have to look toward the lord and keep it real. the devil is marching around like crazy. i am talking white devil, like double, puerto rican devil, chinese devil.

satan is having a ball now. host: let's take a look at senator raphael warnock of georgia, he tweeted this last night. he said may god bless the memory of tyre nichols, i pray for his family during this unspeakable time of loss and grief. tragically we have been here time and time again, but we must never accept injustice and cruelty as the price of public safety. this has to stop. and we got a text from stephen in michigan who says that there is no reason in the world that justifies the use of deadly force by officers on a basic traffic stop. this is was in california. you can train and instruct police how to do everything. when they are dealing with people who resist, but some situations escalate as tempers do, and all goes out the door. rory is next in austin, texas. good morning.

caller: good morning, it is so nice to be on the show and speak with you this morning. i have got to say the only time in my life that i ever had a confrontation with the police, i was in my 20's, and it was my attitude that caused the problem. i got pulled over, i had some people in my vehicle. we were forced to sit in a ditch while they completely dismantled my truck, but it was because of me. what we have in today's society, we have police officers having to walk up to vehicles on traffic stops and getting shot. we have got problems with the mentality of the public. like this young man, and i do not condone at all what the police officers did to this young man and my heart percent of the family, but once again it could have possibly all been prevented if the young man had not run. host: you know, right, he was

being beaten and then he ran. caller: what i read in the news was he was originally pulled over from reckless -- pulled over for reckless driving and ran from that. host: but there was a violent confrontation, and then he ran. and there was a second violent confrontation. but i understand your point. in your situation, it was you had a bad attitude with the police. caller: yeah, young and dumb, you know how that goes. i do not disagree with the fact that we need to reform police. host: like what? tell me about reforms he would support. caller: is so difficult when you talk about reforming police because none of us wear a badge, none of us wear a gun and we are not confronted daily with what they are confronted with. so i think possibly more in the

lines of being able to read people, being able to understand a situation and may be being taught how to de-escalate things , but by the same token we need to reform the way the public says well. you know, it is a bad situation all the way around, and we just need to truly find a solution. it needs reforms on both sides of the line in my opinion. thank you so much for taking my call. i enjoy it so much when you were on the show. host: thank you, roy. let's look at attorney general merrick garland who spoke about tyre nichols's case yesterday. >> i went to give my deepest condolences to tyre nichols' family. i cannot imagine that feelings the parents must feel under the circumstances. the united states attorney has met personally with the family

to express the department's condolences and expressed its own. we opened last week a federal civil rights investigation with the color of law statute, which we will be investigating. we have been working in support of state and local law enforcement in this matter, and we will continue to do so. i do want to say and i want to repeat with the family has said that the expressions of concern when people see this video. we urge that they be peaceful and nonviolent. that is what the family has urged, and that is what the justice department urges as well. host: that was the attorney general talking about the tyre nichols case. the video was released last night, and we are asking for your reaction and also what kind of police reform would you consider. at the numbers are on your

screen. eastern and central, (202) 748-8000. mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8001, and if you are law enforcement, (202) 748-8002. steve in south carolina. caller: good morning. i watch the video and it was almost nauseating to me. i hate physical brutal violence anyway. i got an answer about the training, something that may work. i am 75, i am white, i was born in charleston, south carolina and i grew up in the 1950's and 1960's. i grew up in a time when unfortunately police did not get good pay and benefits. so many people ended up on the police forces that i hate to say this were not particularly educated and may have been thugs and bullies that could not get jobs anywhere else. that should have changed by now. it is better paid, better benefits, better training.

we all hoped training would help with this. by the way, when i said my evening prayers i did pray for peace and strength for his family as they grief through the senseless death. this transcends race, and we saw that last night. a lot of police have out-of-control egos. their pride is off the charts, and if you challenge their authority at any level even if it is minor, they are going to make you pay. how dare you challenge me? your life is in my hands and i will show you. i will show you what lasted about challenging my authority. it transcends race, it can be black or white, white on white, black on black, of course. here is a training suggestion, and i have mentioned this on social media. if i were a trainer and a police department the first question i would put down would be multiple-choice. if someone in a routine traffic

stop whether it was dui or reckless driving or not challenges your authority through the window other than with a weapon, how are you going to handle it? what are you going to do? that would stump a ball. the next thing i would do is we will audit every policeman. we will have on the scene audits. we will have unmarked cars that look like any other car a police officer, whether it is a woman or man that you will not know on your be right around and break the law. we will have them swerve and reckless driving and we will have equipment in the car to actually monitor how you treat that person, and we are going to have them challenge you. you cannot stop me for this, you see what i'm driving at. we are going to do it from time to time, so you better be on your p's and q's. that will make those guys think

twice about how they handle traffic stops. i am not talking about someone who brandishes a weapon whether a gun or knife. i know it made me think twice when i pulled someone over. host: let's go to randy next, at hager's city, wisconsin. caller: good morning. i agree with just about everyone. this is a terrible, terrible accident. there is something going on down there. but if you want to put the blame on somebody, do you think t yrone's mother ever told him if you ever get picked up by a cop with a say. if they say get out of the car, get out of the car. if they say get on the ground, get on the ground. do not get up and start running. that means they are going to get you. all parents, i even did it with

my grandkids. if you get stopped by a cop, you do exactly what that -- you might have drugs in your car. you just got caught. violations, reckless driving. host: in this case, i certainly get your point, but in this case tyre was already on the ground and he was still beaten. caller: i know, i seen that. i watch the video. when they say get out of the car he should have gotten out of the car. he did not have to be drug out of the car. they put handcuffs on him and beat him up. host: i just wonder why he needed to get out of the car if he was just being pulled over for possibly reckless driving. caller: if that is your point of view on it and you get pulled over, sit in your car. you will probably get the same

treatment tyrone got. listen to the officers. they are there to support their -- support you and help you, but you cannot go around doing violation. all parents, talk to your kids today. hey, if a cop pulls you over, right or wrong do what they say. host: all right, randy. let's go to jackie next in illinois. good morning. caller: good morning, and thank you for taking my call. first of all, my condolences go out to the family of tyre nichols. i am 64 years old. i am an african-american. i have 20 biological children from three marriages. i tell all of my adult children if the police pull you over and they demand that you get out of

the car and you have not broken the law, call me or call a family member, lock your doors, do not remove yourself from the car. i had a son recently call me, and he called to be and told the police officer on the speakerphone, i am talking to my lawyer. i have worked for law firms most of my life. i know the law. i understand the law. my parents were police officers, and i trained under my parents to understand the law. if you are brandishing a weapon, that is a different case, but when the police pull you over and they say get out of the car, and they are very aggressive,

call someone. tell someone with some type of authority that i have been stopped, the police are trying to make me get out of my car. i do not know why they are trying to make me get out of the car. when my son called me that day, that night, what happened is he was driving through a detour, and the detour signs did not really speak much, just that it is a detour. it did not say what road you get off on, so he tried to go around the detour. the police jumped out and pulled him over, and i could hear the police demeanor, and my son had me on speaker and i said what the speaker up to the window and cracked the window. do not get out of your car, so

the officer was yelling at my son. i told the officer, i said, excuse me, you are talking to one of my clients. the officer immediately changed his tone, and he said, well, he is reckless driving. and i said where is he reckless driving through. the officer explained the situation with the detour, and i said i know that intersection. they should have that intersection completely blocked off. there should be an officer at that intersection to waive traffic around. you cannot just pull people over. host: you are saying if you obviously do not have a weapon and you have not broken the law do not get out of the car even if the police tell you to get out of the car? caller: do not get out of your

car. i am hoping people understand that they do not have -- the police do not have a right to force you out of your car. host: all right, jackie. let's go now to jeff. he has law enforcement in a king, north carolina. caller: how are you doing today? host: good. caller: most of these democrat run cities, if you go to your phone they may be thinking you were reaching for a gun. anyhow, on the suspect's part, he was pulled over. he took off in his car first and ran in his car. do not do anything to piss the police off. do what you were told at all times into the letter.

host: jeff, are you a police officer? caller: ex. host: you are a former police officer. have you ever had the situation of a kind of confrontation with somebody for a traffic stop? caller: yes, many times. those police officers were probably not trained neither. it is just basic takedown and control moves. none of the officers took control of the guy's legs. take the guy down, get control of their legs, and then you handle the situation. control, take him down and get control. all of those guys had no control whatsoever. this happens all the time. i am begging all of the black guys, rodney king and all of them, they argued with the cops and they try to wrestle and

fight with the cops and they give him a reason to put them on the ground. do not break the law, you should be ok. host: all right, jeff. take a look here, abc news has an article about why congress has failed to pass policing reform in recent years. it said the anticipated video of terry nichols' death are centering calls for reform. this article obviously before the release of the video. this is far from the first time in recent years that police reform has been a serious political discussion. president joe biden campaigned on a promise to reform policing. since taking office he has vowed to sign into law a comprehensive and meaningful police reform bill, but despite biden's promises there is been no bill put forward by congress for him to sign. it is not for lack of trying. there have been multiple attempts in recent years to pass police reform.

none have been successful. keith is next indicator, illinois. hi, keith. caller: how are you doing? host: i am ok. caller: i have been going through for years, i have my own situation. every time something like this happens it has a major effect on me. i am trying to write a book. i know that every story that i have, and the main thing i want to say is they keep pushing stuff under the rug, and when they push it under the rug is forgotten about, but i have not forgotten about my situation and all of my confrontations. i grew up with the police here indicator, my cousin, the policeman, he was named after this policeman and the policeman had three sons. one of them was a junior who i graduated with.

and every time this happens i tried to call one of the brothers who was a policeman, and i went to the police station to try to get my story out when they did that down in missouri. anyway, i better turn the tv up because i'm listening to myself talk. anyway, the police killed my brother. my father was a big man. my brother's head was bigger than my fathers. this was at 22 years old. i am 67 years old now. that is just one of the stories. so many stories, i want to write a book called i love my city but i hit my city. host: so, keith, what do you think could be a solution? is there a policy that needs to be put in place? caller: yeah, they need to get together with these police officers. the one that beat me up, i faced

him. now he is making county sheriff, and i seen him last month. it is almost like he jumped out in front of me and just let me know that he seen me and i seen him. i put god in control of my life now, and he has help me to get through this. host: all right, keith. let's talk to mark in north carolina. caller: yes, ma'am. thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead, mark. you are on the air. caller: can you hear me? host: yes i can. go right ahead. caller: the first video [indiscernible] getting struck with a hammer. and that young men, the elderly

person get that person with that hammer. and then this young man get beaten like the video that we saw later on that evening, and the young men that struck the guy with the hammer [indiscernible]. this is what we continue to see year after year. you hate to see it. that is what we continue to see. that is my thought on that. the reform part, the system is broken. i have got my own question if i may. host: sure. caller: i hope later on today, i have been watching you all for years.

i hope you have something on the challenger situation. i was in middle school and that happened. thank you for taking my call. host: let's take a look at social media. we have got a text from kent in virginia who says police departments need to do a better job of screening: as the honor to serve their respective communities as officers and who is not able to because they do not possess the emotional and mental attitude to deal with the stress. another person says there is no defense of any law enforcement officer losing control when confronting unarmed suspects. kent says as soon as a stop gets confrontational, a supervisor should make calls on how to proceed especially if there are no weapons involved. who was the cop's direct

supervisor? pamela says police reform must come from within. if you do not remove an officer showing aggression you are showing it is acceptable. mac is in south carolina. caller: i have been in every situation including combat in 1968 in vietnam, but i also worked as a corrections officer at one time where i transported inmates, and i have also been pulled over for speeding. when you see the blue lights do not make them chase you. pull yourself over. i have been pulled over doing as much as 20 miles per hour over the speed limit, but you have to set the tone yourself. and i have never been ticketed for anything. i just wanted to pass that on.

host: we will be talking about the vietnam war by the weight later in the program, so be sure to stay with us for that. david, birmingham, alabama. good morning, david. caller: good morning, thank you for accepting my call. a couple of things -- the first things is i think all police officers should have the opportunity to visit the birmingham civil rights institute let us know where we were as a black race and where we are today. the second thing is i think that the police officers should live in one community. here in the city of birmingham lisa live anywhere they live. they come in and do what they need to do. now birmingham is 75% black, ok? and the fourth thing they should do is they should have a --, it

should be mandatory and all of the public high schools should start from grade one up through grade 12 so people will know the laws and regulations in terms of how they should conduct themselves when the police stopped them. they do not do that here in the city of birmingham, and we have a high crime area here, and the last thing is i like the way they handle the situation in memphis. they caught them, they expelled them of the job, they fired them. normally, when that rodney king thing came through or any other black person that was arrested they always give them a desk job. so i hope by them doing the rapid firing of those five policeman, i hope that will be a thing that they do across the board. once you are convicted you are

fired right there. you do not get no desk job. host: let's go to paul next in tennessee. good morning, paul. caller: good morning. how are you this morning? host: i am ok. went do you think? caller: listen to all of this garbage coming in here. i'm going to present the problem and that i'm going to give you the solution. and if there is anybody out there listening and you believe in an almighty god, then i am talking to you. if you do not believe in god, that i am not talking to you. our problem is we do not consider our letter and, that is the problem with all of us. we cannot see past the end of our nose. that is the problem. we do not consider the sins that we do in the collateral damage that they have on people. we cannot see past the end of our nose.

we keep making up the same mistakes over and over and over until somebody dies. then somebody takes notice. all of these rights and all of these liberties we wanted to back in the 1960's are coming crashing down on us now, but nobody wants to look at that. america went to korea, a mess today. america went to vietnam, a mess today. america went to iraq, a mess today. host: paul, let's stay with the police situation in memphis. what do you want to tell me about that? caller: here is what i want to tell you. the one thing that could fix everything is have a personal relationship with the lord jesus christ. that is the one thing that would fix everything. until america comes back to