host: the grand jury weighing a possible indictment of former president trump, had a day off. we are asking for your thoughts and reactions to the possible indictment and arrest of a former and what you think the impact might be on his presidential campaign. we will take your calls for the next half-hour. democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, and independents (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text at (202) 748-8003. and we are on social media,

facebook.com/c-span and twitter @cspanwj. before i take your calls, i will show you the native -- the latest news and headlines. here's the wall street journal -- grand jury weighing donald trump hush money payment schedule to return on wednesday and cnbc as --has this headline which says that the manhattan d.a. will bring back the panel thursday and that is today. the grand jury will weigh the possible indictment of former president donald trump and they had another day off wednesday delaying any action against them until wednesday at the urging -- earliest. manhattan d.a. is investigating whether donald trump broke any

loss --to keep her quiet about an alleged sexual encounter she said she had with trump in 2006 and the company recorded the payment as a legal expense. here is another update and it says the manhattan d.a. will bring the grand jury back thursday after a day off and it says the plan was disclosed by forces hours after grand juror's were given the day off unexpectedly. the panel thank -- can convene on monday, wednesdays and thursdays but prosecutors are not required to hold sessions on those dates. the grand jury -- of trump alley -- a trump ally and lawyer. the former -- and criticized ow

en's credibility. take a look at this whole from reuters --poll from reuters. it says that most says trump is not above the law. the first one here asks the question, if donald trump broke the law, he should stand trial. who agrees or disagrees? democrats, 94% agree and and -- republicans 80%, independents 79%. they agreed that donald trump is not above the law and 88% say he is not above the law and democrats is higher at 94%. republicans at 80% an independents at 79%.

a little more detail if the indictment of donald trump's charges is politically motivated. the statement, the elite class targeting donald trump because they do not want him to win be 2024 presidential election. -- the 2024 presidential election. the former president brought up bill clinton and flood effect has an analysis of that and -- political fact --politifact has an analysis of that. clinton personally paid jones to settle a public lawsuit after an election.

trump secretly funneled money through his lawyer to pay daniels before the 2016 presidential election and his lawyer pleaded t2 crimes tied to his role and in raising payments and legal experts say the man handed district tory might argue that, violated campaign finance law -- that the manhattan district attorney might argue that trump violated campaign finance law. caller: i am glad to hear that this is coming to light. i don't think donald trump has broken any laws. the democrats have not broken themselves. joe biden has millions of dollars and have not paid tax on those millions of dollars. he gives campaign money for a

vacation -- used campaign money for vacation. this is nothing but a smear tactic. bragg needs to be kicked out of the da office. host: getting back to this particular case, do you think the former president broke the law, he should not stand trial? caller: no, he did not break the law. how do you know if you break -- broke the law. --? host: let's take a look at matt gaetz wednesday. he was predicting the former would indeed get indicted. >> the you manhattan's d.a. and getting former trump -- did you see happens d.a. indicting former trump -- donald trump?

>> there are guesstimates in other parts of the globe who went to jail -- desperate --de spots in other parts of the globe -- no one likes being indicted and it is a sad day for the country and one i think america will pay for globally. host: that was matt gaetz and we are taking your calls on the trump grand jury. it is expected to meet today in new york and salina is next in rochester, new york. caller: good morning. i am happy to see that a person who has done as much as he could do or can do or wants to do to our democracy will finally stand trial. i hope that he will be indicted

in new york today. host: but take a look at -- let's take a look at tweets. this is from marjorie taylor green. she says it is time to arrest manhattan ba alvin bragg -- d.a. alvin bragg. he is on the verge of indicting an instant former president and candidate against the opposing party. he is trying to incite civil unrest. pulled him accountable. -- hold him accountable. representative from virginia said this, this is not minority report. it is real life. republicans in congress are so evil to shield draw -- trump from the criminal justice system that they are openly calling for the imprisonment of law

enforcement officials over things that have not happened yet? here is dan goldman who says the house gop is abusing that congress to target a local district attorney and revert the rule of law. they are willing to put one person, donald trump, above the law. here is the oversight committee from the democrats, the trump family failure to report gifts suggest violations -- part of the constitution that serves as america's first anti-bribery law. let's go to an independent. caller: i think, finally, donald trump is getting his just desserts. all that time in new york, he has done so many undermining

things for his business, becoming a millionaire and his new york -- and his name in new york and the east coast, he has been lambasted by doing some sheister things in new york before he came -- became president and all the things he did as president, he'd -- he hit documents in mar-a-lago. now of the sudden he is being indicted for paying off this porn star? come on in the timing is off and that is why people are looking at this side wise and thinking, all the dirty dealings he has done, they will bring it up on paying a prostitute off? i want to give a little respect but he is -- she is a prostitute.

what is happening here is finally, all those sheister things he has done from new york and to get a golf course, he is getting his just desserts. thank you. host: wes talk to randy in hager city, wisconsin. caller: good morning. that article you read about president clinton, it is so unreal. it is not true. michael cohen testified. he has nothing on trump. once he got scared that he would go to jail for lying in congress, he said he would do anything to stay out of jail and the lawyer said you can make up

stories -- host: you think that michael cohen live in his trial -- light in his trial --lied in his trial? caller: he lied when he was in congress and got convicted. c-span, every day for the last two weeks, every day you have something. the democrats call in. be like pedro and challenge some of these people and say, trump broke the wall --law. what law did he break? as some of these people and challenge them -- ask some of these people and challenge them. host: we would know in a trial.

leicester is next in alabama -- leicester is next in alabama -- leicester --lester is back in alabama. caller: i don't know where these republicans come from trying to defend this clown. host: they are saying he did not broken any laws -- break any laws so can you tell me what you broke? caller: he is running around here -- it was president for four years. -- he was president for four years. host: you were talking about him breaking the law, not how effective he was as president. caller: well, to me, -- i am looking at his lawyers he hired.

he has had many lawyers since he became president trying to keep them out of trouble. trump is a -- i really don't understand how people can get behind this man and think -- i hear people say he is the best present they ever had. they had their head in the toilet because trump is not doing for america. his wife is russian. host: bus go to an independent -- let's go to an independent. caller: it would be easier to understand if alvin bragg prosecuted murderers, rapists, thieves instead of going after trump because it is all political. host: why do you say that? caller: you can tell. it is easy to see every time

trump gets ahead and i am not a trump fan, the democrats go after him. these george soros das, they are not doing anything to reverse crime that is hurting the american people and that is where they should be concentrated right now be -- because this country is in bad shape with crime. host: let's go to savannah, georgia, republican line, richmond. caller: good morning, you look very pretty today. host: thank you. caller: as usual, people that u.s. give you evidence of trump, he couldn't give you one thing against trump. people have been against trump for the last seven years and they have come up with a porn

star an convicted liar and the attorney for michael cohen produced paperwork they hadn't seen because michael -- alvin bragg without it and he had 302 emails attached and he only showed the grand jury six and he is looking to lose his license. it is more serious behind the scenes. i do wish -- we have president xi jinping and president putin shaking hands saying they will change the world for the next 100 years and they put saudi arabia and iran together. our children's grades are dropping. we have so many things and we are talking about porn star an convicted felon going against trump -- and convicted felon

going against trump and i am old enough to remember paula jones putting a check in front of the camera from the clintons on a payoff for general or -- gennifer flowers for what clinton did. host: that is regarding -- that is the politifact article drawing distinction between the situations legally and it says that after former -- involving adult film star stormy daniels, his supporters took the social media to draw comparisons to another scandal from bill clinton. although trump's legal team says it has not received any notice, there are reports of indictments on sergeant -- charges stemming from be pay in 2016. people cried a double standard and saying that bill clinton got

off lightly. following her accusations of sexual impropriety in the early 1990's. "bill clinton paid paula jones money and nothing happened to him. the --him." we have a two-tiered justice system. it continues -- rudy giuliani also brought up clinton and saying what about bill clinton? although trump's and clinton's situation involves paying money to women, the similarities end there. clinton personally paid jones after she aired her allegations and after clinton was elected

president. trump use his longtime personal lawyer to secretly hate daniels days before the election to prevent her allegations of a affair from becoming public. the district attorney might argue that trump violated record or violated campaign law. clinton situation was a "public settlement of a public lawsuit after an election, not a private payoff," there is no comparison according to an election campaign finance offices -- officer. caller: you brought up a very important point, that michael: has gone to jail for a long -- unlawful campaign donations and trp individuals number one,

i am listening to the criticm of this and trump is iividual number one and michael cen has gone to jail so how anyone can claim that he is not goatee of the identical -- guilty of the item of crime, it is difficult to follow that logic. one thing people -- i would like people to do, as a nonpartisan, i don't understand how anyone could sign their name to either one of these parties and this is not about political party affiliation. this is about the rule of law and whether or not the rule of law is for all of us. to the laws apply to all of us equally -- do the laws apply to all of us equally? one thing that is troubling, members of congress like my congressman kevin mccarthy, trying to get involved in the

judicial branch. that is the one -- that is a dangerous thing. i am wondering about the constitutionality of that. thank you for the incredible service that you provide everyday. host: similar to that, here is a tweet. " this is about no one is above the law." let's go to michael, brooklyn, new york. caller: how are you? good morning. i want to say all that's one thing to all the people who are making their complaints. michael cohen, they can call him a liar but i have never heard him plead the fifth and i -- the only way we know if the republicans are telling the truth if it is it -- truth is if

they are under oath. donald trump is a liar. host: let's go to kim. iowa? caller: yes. i have not heard anyone say what law he -- donald trump broke. he had a fake university and he had accountability for it. he did break laws. anyone saying he never did and with michael cohen, michael cohen went to jail. he was individual number one and he was part of it. no one is above the law. if normal people can go to jail, a rich person could go to jail. host: let's go to democratic representative tenney who took --ted lou who went to the house for yesterday to credit --

criticize alvin bragg. >> in addition to doing stupid stuff and trying to pass extreme bills, republicans have gone on a rampage on what the manhattan district attorney is doing without knowing what the purported charges are or what the grand jury evidence is. what evidence is overwhelming, what if it is rocksolid that donald trump have permitted -- committed crimes? how do republicans know? they don't. they can't explain, when michael cohen was arrested and indicted and convicted and went to prison for participating in a legal hush money payment scheme to stormy daniels, not a single

republican set a thing. they cannot explain why they are holding donald trump to a different standard. michael cohan served prison time for participating in a legal hush money payment scheme to stormy daniels and we should apply the same standard to our americans. no one is above the law, not the former president's enablers, attorneys and not the former president himself. let's let law enforcement do their work and let's let the judicial process do its work and let's wait to see if there will be charges, what the charges may be and what the evidence is. a jury or judge will hear the evidence and the american people will see it. the prosecution will have to show beyond a reasonable doubt with evidence. every at -- american including

donald trump is entitled to presumptive and said -- in a sense in a court of law. let's apply the law equally. gen. mcconville: that was ted lieu -- gen. mcconville: -- host: that was ted lieu, a democrat. the grand jury's meeting today in new york. beth, is next, a republican in florida. caller: what you need to do is pull up michael towing -- michael:'s testimony -- michael cohen's testimony. ? look at the checks, are there -- date donald trump testimony or corporation? i can guarantee this but if my

memory serves me, it was a check from the organization, not from donald trump personally, that paid michael cohen and they voted off as legal fees to michael cohen. there was a check for $70,000 that he got and they said there was a total of 10 checks. i believe in his testimony, he said they made a calculation for what he would have to -- michael cohen would have to pay in taxes on the $130,000 that he paid stormy daniels. host: what is your point? caller: people are asking why is this a crime, if donald trump paid her off on his own and

trying to compare to bill clinton. built clinton paid from bill clinton's personal account and donald trump is account. -- his pain from his business account. -- is paying from his business account. host: high, jim --hi, jim. caller: someone asked earlier what crimes did he do. where to start? he called the secretary of state from georgia trying to coerce and -- him to manufacture votes. that is a crime. he divided people with his farcical trump university -- he incited a riot. these things are political

because the american people do not want this man in office again. he is a traitor and he needs to be out of office. host: best go to texas, independent -- let's go to texas, independent. caller: i want to piggyback off the young fellow. i love everybody. makes me no difference who you are. we have to stand firm from the law behind the states. some people get away with it and some don't. like the man said, he tried to steal votes, making people believe he won and lost. and he lost. he did it in his missed --midst.

there is a young maybe in texas convinced her friend to kill herself. she went to prison for it because she committed a crime to convince somebody to kill himself. she went to prison. host: we are out of time and i want to thank everyone who called in but we will have more opportunity later in the program if you would like to call in. all washington journal, we will talk to two members of congress and the first up is virginia republican bob good, b member of the education and labor committee and he joins us to discuss the parents bills of rights acts and legal issues facing the president. at 8:00 eastern is california democrat mark takano. he is also a member of the labor committee. he will discuss the parents bills of rights act and the 32

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>> watch our 10 part series, speeches that defined it -- defined presidencies on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: welcome back to washington journal and we are joined by republican congressman from virginia bob good. he is on the budget and education labor committee. nice to have you. guest: great to be here this morning. host: your views on the parents bills of rights act. guest: i am from virginia and virginia has been the center of the parents debate and parents involved in education and one of the big reasons why glenn youngkin is a part of virginia, -- there is a big difference between democrats and

republicans on education because republicans believe that american -- parents have the major part of raising their children and parents should have a major input. that is why glenn youngkin is governor in virginia and this has been in the works for 1.5 years, the education and workforce committee last term and this term and this is giving parents -- protecting basic rights for parents to protect them from intrusive federal governments. host: let's take a look at the highlights of that bill. i will put it on the screen. states must provi a public copy of any revision to the state's academic standard and teache should have two in person meetings for parents -- with parents every year and

parents have us get -- ac -- a say when schools develop private policies and they must consent if any mental health or substance abuse screening takes place. a lot of people would say, why not leave this to the states and at a local level, why make this a federal top-down situation? guest: there are many insistence where -- instances where parents rights have been trampled upon. you saw parents being very concerned about what their kids are being talked, whether it is anti-american or a racist ideology. they are concerned about transgender policies. there are concerned about crime reports be suppressed. -- being suppressed.

i have heard insistence about parent concerns not being addressed. i attended many school board meetings to encourage parents to be involved in education and to make sure they hold school boards accountable and this is as -- host: if you like to call in, you can do so by party affiliation. (202) 748-8000, republicans, (202) 748-8001 and independents (202) 748-8002. during the debate on that bill, you introduced an amendment -- different name are different pronoun. -- or different pronoun.

tell me about that. guest: i will reiterate all five of those and come to the when you asked about the one is saying you cannot charge exorbitant fees for parents to seek curriculum. parents would have the right to make copies approval -- of curriculum. is for their children -- it is for their children. the school board cannot turn over law enforcement -- to law enforcement parents who stand up to their kids and cannot refer them to law enforcement. only parents can be the ones who give approval for scenes and they have the agency approval. if the child expresses gender dysmorphia and the school is using different programs, --

pronouns, they have to let the parents know. it doesn't prohibit them but they have to be informed. there has been tremendous harm to children where parents did not note that the child was treated as a different gender and this brings parents into the equation for schools to notify parents. host: the pushback on that is what if the parents are not supportive, that this becomes a bigger issue for the child. how do you respond? guest: can you think for a more disturbing or damaging thing to a parent than to have your child at school being treated as a different gender and you're not being informed or notified? he can point to the rare example of extreme situations as an exemption -- exception or justification of policy but we have to stand up for the rights of all children and parents and parents have responsibility and

authority and it is parents who have the right to know and what a horrible thing for a child to be treated as a different gender without telling the parent. given in elementary, you see an explosion in gender dysmorphia and we are letting children diagnosed themselves are letting minor children diagnosed themselves and the adults are supporting that, what they call affirming that and they want to do that without letting the parents know. god created us perfectly and mail and female and we cannot change the chromosomes we have. we need to support children who are confused about that and help them to realize they have been created perfectly and not support that confusion in a way that reinforces the confusion and not in a way that doesn't tell the parents. host: we want to take calls but i want to ask you about the debt ceiling and raising that.

what are your thoughts? guest: i am a member of the house freedom congress and the budget committee and the house freedom congress has put out a budget proposal that will put us on fiscal -- the only budget is the president's ridiculous budget. he is trying to throw gas on the fiscal buyer. we want to strike a blow to the fiscal incentives in washington. we have a 125% debt to gdp ratio and we have record deficits and record revenue coming in. we have been realizing $5 trillion in revenue. all this revenue and we have a major spending problem and the republicans are responsible in addressing that. host: your response to the fed chair raising interest rates yesterday? guest: i am disappointed in the

massive amount of inflation that is causing 40 year inflation because of reckless spending, $10 trillion spending in the first two years of the administration and what this president dies is spending more in the reckless budget he proposed but what is terrible about the interest rate and -- increases, historically, that is done to combat a hot economy to slow inflation. we have a week economy and this is caused by an unprecedented amount of spending. grocery prices and energy prices are going up and raising interest rates is causing housing prices to explode. i am disappointed to want to continue spending to cause these rate increases and i don't agree with these increases. host: must talk to ray and

elizabeth city, -- let's talk to ray in elizabeth city. north carolina. caller: i agree with mr. good on this. parents have every right to children's education and he brings up an important point on what is happening with schools. just because a young student feels they are something that they are not, that is very alarming because -- just because you feel you are something, doesn't mean that it is sure. imagine going to a court room and appearing before judge julie -- judge judy and trying to prevent judge judy something is

true because you feel it is true -- convince judge judy something is true because you feel is true. that is alarming. we need to keep the truth, you are what you are made and you are what you are born. host: got it. chris is next in offer -- in auburn -- guest: it is not just the identification you know of the treatment of pronouns or names or the -- but the radical democratic agenda, they will not criticize puberty blockers or even surgery in a futile attempt to cosmetically change the gender of a child. the democrats won't criticize that and they explode in anger when we address that. is one thing for adults to make that decision and we are a country of freedom.

is different how we treat children and we should protect children and parents should protect children and the education system should complement that. host: chris in auburn. caller: i wanted to congratulate be gentlemen for doing a exquisite job of spewing be disinformation from fox news. merrick garland never called parents at a school board meeting terrorists. there was a letter discussing and concerned that school board mentors -- members are getting death threats because everyone in the education system is apparently a groomer things to fox news. people were showing up in military tactical gear at a school board meeting. why are you lying so much and

what you think about people coming to school board meetings dressed in military tactical gear? guest: i encouraged parents and certain citizens and others, the way you make sure you know that is happening in your school and one of the silver linings of the chinese virus, had the remote learning and parents were learning to a greater degree what was being taught and that is why parents are showing up in massive numbers to learn about -- to express their views on what was happening in their schools, their curriculum. the mandates, mass -- mask mandates or schools being closed. that was a good thing. schools will be better if parents were involved and we encourage parents in this bill of rights supports that. host: independent line.

hendersonville, north carolina. caller: i am a transport -- transgender woman and that was an identity i had to hide from my parents for many years because of their reactions and my fear was justified. when i came up -- out of my mother, her response was to kill me and your policies will endanger children and before you talk about these issues, used to educate yourself on how gender reassert -- surgery affects people. guest: -- host: what do you think? guest: is happening in hospitals across the country and it is not publicized. it is revealed to have happened in hospitals across virginia and it should never happen across -- for a child and we should never change a child's gender. it is impossible to do.

i respect the rights for adults but children should be supported in how god made them perfectly and we should not be doing harm. studies show that we do harm to children psychologically, emotionally, mentally if we treat a child in a gender different than what god created them. we need to follow the signs of gender. every cell in our body is created male or female. host:, to ask you about potential legal action against former president donald trump -- i want to ask you about potential legal action against former president donald trump. guest: here, i get asked very little about the biden crime family and the allegations and the evidence that points to the crime that hunter biden has

committed and what the current president is involved in. how the president's family has been making millions of dollars all businesses relationships from ukraine will stop how the president's family -- ukraine. how we confront or don't confront china and it is interesting that i am only asked about an old case that they are trying to make into a felony with armor president trump and you had someone who ran for district attorney who bragged during the campaign he would go after and that is why you should elect him will stop he has bragged about the fact he sued president trump --. we have a bias,ed -- biased constitution -- he might be

arrested for that but it is ridiculous to treat the former president to --this way. host: west type -- let's talk to mike in maryland. caller: god bless you, representative good. real quick on the trump thing. the man is bt barna -- barnham. from my kit: -- saying that he never paid trump back. on the transgender issue, it is about granting children agency. if -- once you rent children's -- children agency, things can be done to them.

look at stories of people getting double mastectomy's and castration, of children. we're are not talking about 18-year-olds. this is disgusting and i feel for every child with transgender dysmorphia. it is spreading and we see it in groups of teenage girls. expressed through their population and you see teenage girls who want to transition. this is is insane. -- this is insane. this will get worse. this is our children. host: we got your point. guest: i agree with you. a used to be -- it used to be, you had a .02% on kindle -- vendor dysmorphia expressed. and now it is exploding 5000%. a used to be all males and now it is predominately very --

females. it is bad to support this confusion. every cell in our body is created male or female. children demonstrably will grow out of that if supported properly but the worst thing we can do is to surgically alter our child's body, pretending that we can change their gender. we do irreparable harm. the proof -- the puberty blockers, that cause harm, and we should never do surgery on a child to change their gender. host: sharon on the democrats line in minnesota. caller: thank you. holy buckets, you can't pray

away the gay. i don't care what you say. i am a 30 year retired educator and i would like to know for the heck -- where you were for the years i was education -- educating, you weren't there. he only became a parent when number 45 was there. donald trump is a clown. ha ha. number three, you have no problem throwing all your support behind craft --crap like this but when in classroom of little kids get shot up, all we get from you is hopes and prayers. maybe not quite done, almost. teen suicides are on the incline. if you don't think what you are doing will harm her children, you are crazy. one more point. you have no problem supporting a

man whore as a president. good grief. guest: i agree with part of what she said and it is a wonderful thing that parents are getting more involved. she is right. two many years, they were not involved in education and he saw the result. -- you saw the result. many cannot point to the school system and saying -- say things are how they should be. there was no reason to ever shut schools down and no medical reason to do that to children who are no serious risk to virus and no child documented that died from the virus and there were other health factors that contributed to that so we sacrifice children for political reasons for two years.

it is a wonderful thing that parents have gotten engaged in america stronger. our education system will be stronger and i am glad parents have stepped up. host: carla in wayne city. caller: good morning. i have two questions. i have one about trump. how will the da get around secret service? my second question will be on the lgbtq+, the transparent -- the transgender part. i watch the las zoo had a transgender this show -- transgender show and they allowed children in there. if they do that, you might as well have the strip clubs open up and let everyone go in because you are not restricting age and it is a peep show. i think anyone who does that

stuff, they should move their life. guest: we should not be centralizing our children in schools and not have sexually explicit material for minors. it should not be part of a library or curriculum and other people say you are book learning. children should not be sexualized in schools and exposed to sexually explicit material. is good for parents to know what kids are being taught, to hold bears -- there school board accountable. parents have the ultimate responsibility and authority for their kids. that is a good thing that is being reasserted. republicans are supporting that and you have to wonder how why others are being threatened by that. of former virginia governor told the truth when he said parent

shouldn't have authority -- a say in education. that is why we made progress in virginia with new standards in place. host: michael is an independent in jasper, indiana. caller: i had a question for the representative. your name is bob, but that is not your proper name, it is robert. that is an immutable characteristic. host: let's go to maria, my free democrats -- line for democrats. caller: i would like to say that i am 99.9% democrat, but the republicans got something right with me. i agree with the going on for school and all the mess and i agree with the 100%. they are on point this time.

thank you. guest: i think it is an 80% issue. i think it was -- i wish it was a 99.9% issue. democrats and independents and republicans alike want children protected and want parents to know what is happening and what is being taught. they want to know what is happening in the child' lifes. as a child expressing suicidal thoughts? parent have to be notified and we have to trust parents. there are exceptional situations for exceptional treatment but we need to keep parents informed. host: earl is next in indiana. caller: i am with you 100%. this world is going downhill fast.

when a baby is born, if it is a male, it is a male for its wife and the same thing for a woman. the woman has anyone, and getting up and clapping and be joyful for killing a baby has to have rocks in their head. god made all humans. he did not make clear --queers. they let these democrats who want to destroy america. i am 86 years old and i have never seen such stupid people coming in here wanting to kill babies and change their sex. it is ungodly. host: all right. guest: it is part of a broader agenda. it is not just restricted to

schools or children in elementary school. this is a broader agenda to suggest that parents should wait and let it shout self identify their gender -- let a child self identify their gender and set up the signs of gender -- instead of following the science of gender. you have to identify what your problems are -- pronouns are. nancy closely put a policy in place that we will be gender-neutral -- nancy pelosi got -- put a policy in place that we will be gender role -- gender-neutral in the house. we had a supreme court justice that were not defined what a woman is. the supreme court justice knows what a woman is but she would not say that because she could not endure the left if she defined what a woman is anatomically.

everyone knows the signs of that but it illustrates where we have come as a country and society and who the democrat probably -- party is that they even debate on this issue and that the republicans need to stand up and support children on something so basic as the gender of a child and schools and parents being informed. host: one more quick question for you. caller: i have a couple of questions. one question is, talking about the debt ceiling, are you willing to cut medicare, medicaid? are you ready to cut those programs? and i want to know if trump is above the law to your party? host: go ahead, congressman. guest: no one is above the law.

we are going to cut wasteful spending. we are going to return to pre-covid spending 2019 levels for non--- nondefense discretionary spending. we want to send about $1 trillion immediate reckless spending for student loans, covert funds cover $80 billion to expand the irs. a few hundred million dollars for radical agreement and the phony infrastructure bill. we want to claw that back. that will save about $1 trillion. return to pre-covid spending. that will get us on a path of more financial spending. host: thank you so much for joining us is morty. -- joining us this morning.

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program. guest: thank you. right to be your. host: we were just talking to representative bobby good about the parents bill of rights act. bates start today on the floor. can you tell us your perspective on that bill? guest: i call it the parents over politics bill. it reiterates rights parents already have in federal law and the local level. there are some disturbing elements or sections of the bill which would require parents, teachers and educators to out students to their parents. parents have rights and they are already guaranteed by state and local governments. but parents do not have the god-given right to physically or emotionally harm their lgbt offspring. this is what this bill would do. host: tell me more about how it

would harm children, in your view. as far as outing them, notifying them that they want to use a different pronoun or go by a different name? guest: requiring educators to inform parents if students are using a different gender than the assigned birth gender, parents would have access to the surveys or questionnaires that might reveal what a student's answers are. this could result in students being involuntarily outed to their parents before they are edible -- before they are able to do it. not all households are supportive of lgbtq kids. in many cases it leads to their own physical endangerment. we know that 40% of lgbt

homeless youth, 40% of use -- of youth are lgbt. they are feeling unsupported. this is still a major issue in this country. not every country is as understanding, welcoming, and nurturing environment for an lgbtq young person. this is a touchy subject. the federal government should not be to do this sort of thing. it states like mind like california, people -- teachers will be put in a terrible place. we are required by law, if you have a suspicion of a young person being abused, pending on the situation, being neglected, we have to report back to tile -- to child protective service. now a federal law says we will

be required to potentially harm a student in another way in terms that we are going to have to reveal things to parents. as teachers that puts us in this really tough spot. teachers are not about enforcing gender identity. teachers are about welcoming safe and nurturing environments for kids to learn. kids have a right to that. all parents have a right for their children to go to a school where their kids are not bullied, their kids are not intimidated, where their kids are not feeling marginalized. parents also have a right to that as well. host: viewers, if you would like to call in you can do that on our lines. in -- democrats, (202) 748-8000.

republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. represented in, you taught school for decades. can you tell me how it has changed since you have been teaching? guest: before the pandemic republicans and democrats remarkably came together during the last year of the obama administration. to rollback many of the test driven accountability under no child left behind. liberals and conservatives felt there was an overreach by the government in terms of mandating tests and teachers having to teach to those tests. i personally as a teacher saw the harmful effect that test driven accountability had. it would way too far.

standard testing can have its place but it shouldn't be this blunt instrument that is used as a way to measure either teacher effectiveness or student performance. what i have seen since the pandemic, much about to occur because of the aging workforce. we have an undersupplied of teachers. we have a public school system that has been the center, the focal point of a tax over vaccines, mask wearing. it is now time to renew our support for public education. it has also become the focal point of the culture wars.

this is also something that has changed since my 10 years out of the classroom. we need to redouble our efforts. mainly because we needed to be a competitive nation. we need to retain our edge. we need the scientists and technologists. people who are skilled in education. already thinking communication skills we need in young people to remain a competitive nation. host: i was going to ask you about your alternative bill you cosponsored, bill of rights for students and parents. how is that different from the gop version? guest: the fundamental difference is the democrats are not interested in pursuing a cultural war. over lgbt students.

bowing to the most extreme voices in america. most americans believe in public schools. they believe in their teachers and they want to places for their young people to be able to learn. they want nurturing environments. people have a right to these things. that is what my friend has put her focus on when she drafted this alternative legislative vehicle. host: we are going to start taking calls but before we do i want to ask about your proposal for a 32 hour workweek. how would that work and why do you feel that is necessary? guest: the 32 hour work week would amend the federal standard labors act so that workers subject to the act to start

earning overtime pay after 32 hours instead of 40 hours. we implemented a 40 hour workweek almost 100 years ago for the very first time. it was routine that people worked over 40 hours. most americans don't know that the weekend was not something that was universal. until the mid-30's we passed a bill. coming out of this pandemic, people are realizing that we have more flexibility during the pandemic. they saw that they can get better support for their children, better worklife balance. what democrats have done the past four years is we have put our intention on empowering the american people, american workers.

instead of corporations, we have put more money into the pockets of ordinary americans than the valley -- that the very work -- the very wealthy. 32 hour workweek would be more in-line with giving workers more leverage in the economy and and the most productive in the world. host: let's take some of your calls. jill is first in pennsylvania, on the democrats line. caller: thank you so much for being on and taking my call. i wanted to talk a little bit about this parents bill of rights. i have a trance son and i have a concern that what this sexually is going to do is harm my son's rights and the rights of his lgbtq peers. this whole thing, all these lies about other congressmen was saying about how many kids identify as trans and how early

they go through transitioning, that is all a bunch of bunk. there is no surgery on anyone under 18. i live in an area that has got color communities, two large school districts are actively speaking to promote this kind of rhetoric. it is harming children. through the library policies, through some of the policies about what teachers can say to be advocates for the students. in my humble opinion i think all of this is a smokescreen by the other side to defund public -- defund public school. it is exactly what hitler's did. i want to shout out to marcus. host: go ahead, congressman. guest: thank you.

this proposal, in your particular case, it won't harm your son because you are a supportive parent and you are a loving parent and you are a nurturing parent. not all households are supportive. given time those households and those parents will have a change of heart. but i am worried about the immediate harm that could have -- that could come to a student because educators are forced to out kids to unsupportive homes. most of the time, parents and teachers and schools and educators are working together as they should. but teachers should not be put into this terrible situation. i want to reiterate what the caller has said. the right wing and republicans

are being very extreme. the republican conference in the house is being very extreme because what they are doing is they are paying amash to the extreme voices elected to extreme school boards all across this country. creating a false moral panic about trans kids. specifically they are pointing out this thing about the surgeries. which almost never occurs before the age of 18. it is a question about how frequent they occur after. wedo parents of trans kids are being put in a very difficult place. many states are enacting laws that interfere with their right to be a parent. host: chuck on the republican

line in south carolina. caller: i think it was back in'' 98 i was going through my computer, looking around and i found the progressive caucus on that. at that time there was like 40 of them. i am looking through that, i had never heard of that before. i saw a little emblem with two hands clasped together. what i clicked on that. that linked me to the international socialist movement. are you a socialist? guest: i don't call myself a socialist, i call myself a highroad cap list. i believe -- i believe in the progressive caucus.

former chairman of the banking committee considers herself a capitalist. many of us believe the strongest economy we saw postpone -- post world war ii was an economy where we didn't see huge differences like we do today between rich and poor. ceos did not earn 100 or 200 times more than their workers. we saw a bora gallon. america post-world war ii. the 1950's and 60's were one of the most remarkable period of the american road. this was a mixed economy. it wasn't pure capitalism. it was a mixture of government regulation married to a robust market agave. this term socialism being

resurfaced as a main calling is not very helpful. progressives stand squarely with market principles. host: let's talk to ivan, an independent in cape cod, massachusetts. caller: as a man in his 70's, i had a great life. when i came up, being gay was equated with being a pedophile and it was see a gay, kill a gay. it is very different now. the world has changed. i had a great will -- i had a great lie. as far as school goes, six, set -- sex, sexuality was never mentioned.

there was no need for sex in schools. people figure out their sexuality on their own. it is an individual thing. i don't think the teachers have any place in dealing with it. and as far as the trans issues go, as a gay man, i don't think trans has anything to do with this gay community. having a same-sex attraction is one thing, but having a different gender, feeling you are in the wrong body, that is a complete different issue. it is not the same as being homosexual. we have it a lot easier. i have had many trans friends over the years. host: let's get a response. go ahead, congressman. guest: the caller is right, the trans experience is not the same as the gay experience. but that doesn't mean, i don't

think the caller was saying this, that trans people should be marginalized anymore than say a gay man or woman. i disagree with the caller in the sense that young people in an age-appropriate way needed to understand that gay people exist, that trans people exist and it is not obeyed -- it is not ok to bully a fellow student who is trans. a fellow student who is gay, lesbian or bisexual. we need to have age-appropriate information about these different experiences.

because we want all students to be respected. i was a middle school teacher, i taught some elementary school. but definitely by middle school, you are seeing some students who are not able to disguise or camouflage who they are and they become the subject and the target of bullying. we have to deal with the bullying issue as well. how do we do that without squarely facing the fact that lgbt people and lgbt young people do exist? and often at an early age they exist. host: let's talk to jerry in smith dale, mississippi, democrats. caller: my point is this. how is it that we claim to be christians and then we hate?

something is wrong. you see folks in church every sunday and wednesday yet they still hate. what bible are they reading, what are they doing? it bothers me. as a 77-year-old civil rights leader, people, what they are doing is they are destroying themselves and they are destroying america. if you go to church and you claim to be a christian and you come out hating gay people, what are you standing for? black people, we was under jim crow, slavery.

why can't you change? host: jerry, got your point. go ahead, congressman. guest: i think the caller for his sentiment. my own christian belief and christian sentiment is that all of us are born in the image of god. there are many people in our country who use scripture as a weapon. if we study scripture more deeply, we can understand that the teaching is about love thy neighbor. it is not about marginalizing or stigmatizing or scapegoating any particular group or class of people. that is what is happening with the trans community right now.

religion is being used as a justification to target trans people. states and even now the congress is being pulled into this effort to stigmatize trans people, trans kids and make it difficult for the parents of trans kids to care for those kids. the way that medical science is around it. host: i want to ask you about the trans sports bill. banning people born male at birth from participating in female sports. what are your thoughts on that? guest: my thoughts are that it is wrong to use title ix which

was a bill that was legislation it revolutionized education. k-12 education and higher education. it gave increased access to girls and women to sports where the funding was more heavily weighted towards boys and young men. to use title ix as a way to deny the participation of trans girls and trans women is wrong. it is discriminatory and it is not really in line with what the intercollegiate associations are saying. it is not in line with what a great athlete like billie jean king is saying. host: critics would say it is fundamentally unfair to have

somebody with a male body competing against women with female bodies. guest: that is based on a misunderstanding that we only know there is a varied handful of trans athletes at the collegiate level. there is like 34 out of 11,000. we have not seen the kind of outcry coming from the intercollegiate associations or the different sports associations. so this is not a problem that is looking to be solved by these associations. this is a problem being created are extremists who want to target trans girls and trans young women for their own political purposes.

this is an overreach of the federal government in an area that can be handled by these competitive associations. they can figure out if there really is the case of unfair physical advantages. we are talking about young people, elementary school kids. where those differences, physical differences don't exist. this is not a problem that needs to be solved by the federal government. host: let's go to the republican line that. tom is in woodbridge, virginia. caller: thank you guys for taking my call. i want all of america to watch the congressman's reaction to this next question. because it will be extremely telling. do you think after you just said that there are many kids who do not have supported families at

home, do you think that it has become the school's responsibility then to teach morality to our children as opposed to them reading, writing, mathematics, science? do you think it is the school's responsibility now to teach them morality? guest: as far as ethics, morals, the difference between good and evil, these philosophical christians -- philosophical questions, religious questions, these are addressed by religious organizations on a sunday, saturday, in some cases friday by our different rate traditions represented. it is the job of teachers and educators to raise these questions.

not in way to impose their beliefs or their religion on any person. as a teacher of british literature, jane austin had a lot to say about relationships. morality. but these are questions i brought up as a teacher using a text, having students themselves think this through. school is not a place for teachers to impose his or her ideology. i have seen teachers from a conservative background be excellent teachers in this regard and i have seen teachers from a liberal background be excellent teachers. good teachers, regardless of their perspective can bring great energy and life to these moral questions without imposing their own ideology or belief system. host: representative mark takano and democrat in california are the education labor committee.

in the progressive caucus. thanks so much for joining us today. guest: my pleasure. host: coming up later ahead on the program, we have got axios tech and policy report ashley gold. she will preview tiktok ceo shou chew testifying before the house energy and congress committee on privacy and data practices. first we will have more of your calls during open forum. you can start calling you now. >> today tiktok ceo shou chew testifies before the house energy and congress committee on privacy and security part -- pregnancies. his relationship with kids. watch on c-span, c-span now, our free mobile video app or

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over on c-span3. this is going to be the tictac -- the teton -- the tiktok ceo. he is going to testify on the company's privacy, data, relationship with china. this is his first time testifying with before a committee. you can watch on c-span3, c-span now or online at c-span.org. speaking of tiktok, i want to show you a couple of articles here. this is from usa today. headline, concerns -- spying concerned threaten u.s. future. tiktok has never been more popular or more controversial. the short form video platform does not just rule online culture, it shakes it.

from the corn kid remix, none of its rivals, not facebook, instagram or snapchat has come close to capturing its magical hold on our phones and attention spans. especially with young people. the problem? china. tiktok is owned by the chinese company by dance. the u.s. worries tiktok could be pressured to handing user data over to the chinese government or it could be used as a propaganda machine to manipulate american. tiktok says it protects users by storing their personal data outside china and does not share personal information with beijing. "there is special -- there is speculation it could combat national security. tiktok could share individual data about americans to the chinese intelligence center. or tiktok manipulate its recommendation algorithms to deemphasize content critical of

the chinese government or promote chinese propaganda. there is no evidence tiktok is doing either." another from the new york times, tiktok set time limits. teens blow past them. concerns about the app include possible effects on the health of children. his open forum. we are going to start taking your calls. erica in maryland, democrats. caller: i wanted to follow up with the congressman who was on previously and encourage people who think that children are being sexualized in school to look beyond what they are hearing on the news and to really think about what they are saying out loud. in my opinion it is absolutely bonkers. the idea is not to sexualize

children from a young age. it is to teach children that trans people, lesbian people, gay people exist and it is ok. to be allowed to read a book about mr. and misses cleaver one day and the next day to read a book about mr. and ms. smith. host: erica, i think what critics would say is that is sexualizing kids and teaching morality i saying it is ok. because there are some people that don't think it is ok. caller: well then they probably shouldn't say gay married if they don't get is ok. host: let's talk to troy on the independents. caller: i want to say it has been a pleasure serving you all.

as for education, i like to follow cosmos and the stars. let's follow the stars. we can follow this energy from a star coming from afar. host: let's talk to michelle in garden, california. republican. caller: i am going to follow-up in regards to the topic of the competitive with title ix and females having to compete against males. i absolutely am against it. in no way, shape or form should there be men, boys, born male competing against born girls, female. physically men have the advantage.

from mark takano the congressman to have said there is no proof of that is totally ridiculous. they should just leave it the way it is. i guess i am a bit of a traditionalist in that sense. but i do not feel it is a fair competition. it is allowing for females to miss out on scholarships or just a bigger future in the sense of their sports that they are competing in. that is all. host: marilyn, columbus, ohio, democrat. caller: i want to speak on the transgender thing. it seems like republicans don't know anything about life or sex or anything. there are children who are born, they call them medford lights if i am pronouncing it right, they are born with both female and

male organs and the doctor will ask them at first, what do you want your child to be? usually what the parents choose is not what the child wants when they grow older. that is why they say they have never felt like a boy, they have never felt like a girl. i knew a woman personally who had a males penis and a woman's organ. when she was born they didn't know what to do about babies like that. some babies that are born girls have more of a boy chromosome, or a girl has more of a boy comes on. so this misinformation, parents because they want another sex, they want a boy and they cut off a girls thing, that is not true. in the bible it does not tell us we are supposed to put you righteous people, bring out your guns and swords and drive these

people out of town. he did not even tell lot to do that. he told lot to leave town. against me only. host: let's talk to ruth in pecan, illinois. go right ahead. you are on the air. caller: the lady talking about lot being sent out, god destroyed sodom. man, woman and child. because man had turned to his own kind and a woman to her own kind. i have got five granddaughters. one has, my grandson is in seventh grade this year. she wasn't always homosexual.

so i called her a practicing homosexual. but i love that granddaughters just as i love my other four granddaughters. but to go along with homosexuality, absolutely not. she says, grandma, preachers don't preach that is wrong. i say, no, they can be thrown in jail for preaching god's word. host: judith is in richmond, virginia. republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to refer back to the congressperson. there are several, i am an athlete also. i am retired though. and i have come and experience doing into muriel's with men just for fun.

it was very uncomfortable because they were always winning, we were always losing. people don't understand that men's anatomical's are different from women. they have more muscles than we do. there are other variables also. there is a sports person that was very upset, a female, she came in second place on the women's sports. but they had an individual who i classify as a male. my father was a doctor, i worked in his dock -- i worked in his office. he has always come in saying do we have a male or female that were born? peace and blessings and thank you very much for your time. host: bob is in whitman, massachusetts. democrat. caller: number one, you have all these people talking about they know who god is.

number one, they do not know who god is. why doesn't your god cure all the diseases in the world? why isn't your god is stopping all the crime and the murder? where is your god? i have my own faith and everybody has their own faith but we do not know. to have the radical christian right shove their religion down everybody's throat is unacceptable. the perfect age i believe is when children reach sixth-grade they need to start learning about themselves. and they have to learn all the adversities in life. you talk about god, will where did this come from? it comes from your god who has created it. i am so fed up with the right wing christian people who have supported trump. i believe these people are all terrorist supporters. number two, it is incredible their intelligence is out where.

host: one of our previous callers asked about the secret service and their relationship with potential arrest of donald trump. here is an article in usa today. it says, "the secret service and new york police have met on trump get the agency has taken no external very measures. the secret service has precipitated in planning meetings as recently as monday at manhattan court authorities without the new york police department and other law enforcement agencies to discuss security preparations in the event charges are filed against former president donald trump." that is according to the secret service director. and she says the agency has provided -- has been provided no information as to the timing. and that "no external very measures have been required in the security efforts.

john is next for independents. caller: good morning. changing the subject a little bit. i wanted to bring up the climate change. i think it is a hoax. it is arrogant to think we can control the weather, number one. the climate is always changing and we don't have anything to do with it. it doesn't matter how we control omissions or anything else. they point to hurricanes, floods and everything else and say that is evidence of man-made climate change. if anything it is evidence of what is true coming in the bible. with the asked jesus how do we know the end times are coming? and he said you will see signs, floods, fires, hurricanes. another point i wanted to bring up, i have watched c-span for a few years now. you ought to start a c-span four

where people could just call in and vent how much they hate trump, how much they hate this and call it the hate channel. because it is amazing. it is mostly on the liberal side how much hate spews out of everybody's mouth. host: dan is next in maryland. republican. hey, danny. caller: my points are directed at the liberal democrats. the congressman you had on the show. two points. first point is, if you are a male and you think you are a woman and you signed -- and you decide to dress up as a woman and you compete in women's sports, it is still not fair. why? because your lung capacity is much greater than a female's lung capacity. if your lung capacity is greater, you have greater intake

oxygen which gives you greater intake of energy which gives you the edge to win. and we always see that in the sports. that is the fact. just because you want to be a female, no, you cannot compete with women and their sports. number two, the liberal democrats want to normalize gay marriage, all this freaky stuff. the great tenants of faith in the world, jews, christians and muslims, they all disagree that it is right. and we don't have to teach our kids what you think is right. liberal democrats are freaky, weird people. host: let's go to dan next in tennessee. democrats. caller: good morning. this is the first time i have spoken with you. it is an honor. host: thank you. caller: i jotted down a few notes. as the last representative was speaking in that last segment, these are my thoughts.

trumpism has condition people to deferred their own failures. they are not comfortable in their own skin. the gop has equated homosexuality with people. the bible says it is a sin. did the authors of the bible know anything about dna or chromosomes? they picked on the jews leading up to world war ii. now the gop seems to be picking on homosexuals. do you see the parallels there? ask the jason smith in missouri or the lindsey graham's of south carolina or the randy mcnally of tennessee, the denial is him is overwhelming. i am a baptist heterosexual but i am going to stick up for the

people that are being oppressed. host: victoria is in muskegon, michigan. independents. caller: there is a couple of things i would like to say. one is, no one is above the law. i would like to think. for some reason when donald trump, when everyone wants to hold him accountable, suddenly the right, the gop, the republicans decide that it is because of hate, it is because of whatever other reason. what i find intriguing about that is that republicans say they are servants of god, and yet they are willing to allow this one man to do anything and not be held accountable. the next thing, as far as i am

concerned, god has given us free will upon this earth. he gave us the right to choose. it is our decision where we go, what we do. he has given us his laws, his commandments. but here is what i must say. a man is not a woman and a woman is not a man. if a man chooses to live his life as a woman, that is his free will. but what he does not get to do and should not be able to do is wipe out a woman's life. when you think about it this way, these young women in college, many of them are unable to afford their college tuition and they threw their accomplishment, they get the scholarships. no longer will they get the scholarships.

because a man that has decided to live as a woman, it is a free world, yes he can do that. that is his choice. they are allowing this man living as a woman to remove the opportunities from women. you cannot agree with that. no matter what side you are on. host: joseph in baltimore, maryland. the line for democrats. caller: my name is joseph jones. i have a few comments to make. very simple. i let god speak his own words. his bible speaks directly, his word. secondly, representative t akano, he speaks as a high cap list. -- capitalist. teach your children at an early

age whose minds are not developed, the parents should definitely have a say in what they do. second of all, trump definitely is a reincarnation of wc fields. all he needs is the pool stick and the hat. he has done a good job. host: let's talk to david in georgia, independent line. caller: there are two things on my line. the transgender push, i don't think any of these people that are wanting to teach our kids, or their kids to be transgender at such an early age have them hanging out in the strip bars, smoking cigarettes, netting beers and getting tattoos. but they think they can side if they are a man or a boy that

young of an age. i believe president biden, president trump should both be locked up and put in prison in -- in prison right now for taking documents. i am afraid they are not the only two they have done this. if you check back 50 years, there are probably more who has stolen stuff. if you are gay it is a choice. i have a gay son, i love him, i don't judge him. that is what god is supposed to do. god says he will judge them in the end. i love him and let him live his life. y'all have a great day. host: angie, johnson city, tennessee, republicans. caller: as i sit here and i

listen, i hear everybody talking out transgender, gay, i don't hear anything about people talking about the stats of our children in the education. look where we are in our education system. our children are failing and we as adults are failing them. i have got my stories too, i have got three children. he came out and i said, and, so, what is that mean? gay doesn't make you any more special than anybody else, just like straight doesn't make you special. i don't understand. thank the lord my kids are grown today. i don't understand why we are discussing these things with children. they are there to learn, to read, to write, to add so they can be our future. but all this bickering, all this arguing, all this stuff going on, is this our? future for our children? everybody that is arguing, is this what they want for their kids? i told my son, if you need a parade to make you feel good

about yourself, son, you have got more problems than being gay. you better start within. we need to start telling these kids to build within. we look at the bullying in school, it is not just about gay. it is about color, where you live, it is about everything. why in our school systems are we not controlling those things? why if we have our children learning about english, science and math, they do not have time to argue about this. and another thing we have lost in our educational system, how about just a good old book instead of giving them an electronic device while you turn your back to write on the board, they can look up what they want to. we have lost reality -- we have lost touch with reality. letting children make a adult decision. when my parents were little and they came to visit their grandparents in a different state, i had to give permission to a surgeon to do surgery on one of my children. host: let's take a look at the wall street journal.

here is the front page. it says the fed boosts rates amid turmoil. increase comes with signal that hikes could in the sooner than recently expected. the federal reserve has approved another quarter percentage point interest rate increase. but signals that banking system turmoil might end its rate hike campaign sooner than two weeks ago. let's talk to mike in springfield, massachusetts. democrats. caller: good morning. first time talking with you. i would like to bring up several things but i won't have time to bring them all up. weren't we a god-fearing nation as we called it? when we were there on that we were the only nation on earth to drop the atom bomb on civilians in japan in caret shima? number two, we use the word, i

don't know where the proof is on this one, we always use the word key to referred to the god that is worshiped on dollar bills in this country. there is no proof that there is a he that is a god. how do we know god is in -- god is not she? what kind of nation what would be if we worship goddesses versus god and we worshiped she i know it sounds way out, but i want to see the proof. what kind of a god allows thousands of priests to molest children every year, which is the most heinous crime a human being could commit on another human being? i do not know if you want to comment, but i cannot get an answer for anything i asked. host: that is mike and that is

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journal, i am joined by ashley gold, a tech policy reporter for axios. welcome to the program. the tiktok ceo is going to be testifying, this will be his first congressional testimony. for those that might not be familiar with tiktok, tell us what it is, how popular it is in the united states and the major issues. guest: tiktok is a very popular short form video app. if you are familiar with instagram or snapchat, it is similar to that, but it is meant to be a really entertaining place where you are showed videos of things you are interested in. cooking, dancing, singing, fashion, makeup, working out, anything. you log on, see videos that are supposed to be educational and entertaining. it has gotten so popular in the united states, it was spurred by the lockdown of the covid

pandemic. people got really into tiktok, now it is hugely popular. the apps as it reaches billions of people across the world with 150 million people using it in the u.s. host: what is the focus going to be on this hearing? what are we expecting from congresspeople? guest: congress is concerned because tiktok is owned by a chinese company, bytedance. although tiktok has made promises about security of u.s. user data and out of the hands of any chinese communist party officials, members of congress increasingly are not convinced by that argument. they think the fact that tiktok has a chinese owner means there is no way they can definitively say the app is safer americans. in addition to the national security concerns and general privacy and geopolitical angle with china, people are concerned about tiktok because it is like

any other social media app. it can be addictive and present people with dangerous misinformation and can get people addicted. there is a concern about children and teenagers using the app. are they addicted, are they being exposed to healthy things? it has regular social media platform problems that facebook and youtube has dealt with. on top of that, a national security problem. host: speaking of that, there is a reuters article. it says the tiktok ceo says the app has never shared u.s. data with the chinese government. do we know that for a fact is true, and could they be forced to share the data by the chinese government? it is not an open democratic society. guest: that is the question of the hour. i do not think anybody can tell you definitively they've never shared information with the chinese government.

you can take tiktok at their word that they have not, i do not have any way of proving that. i do not know if u.s. security officials have a different answer. there is a law in china, the national security law, compels any private company in china to share information with the chinese communist party to assist in a national security investigation. that has been the concern. tiktok makes these promises, we do not share data with the chinese government. however, there is a law that says they have to if they are compelled. how they have addressed this is something they call project texas, it is an extensive data security project where they are paired up with the american tech company oracle, keeping all u.s. server data in the u.s. if the chinese government ever came to us and asked for data, we would say you cannot have it.

it is housed in america, you have no access to it. that is their answer. host: let's talk more. before we do, i want to mention to viewers that you can give us a call if you would like to make a comment or question on this topic of tiktok. you can do it on the lines. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, and independents (202) 748-8002. you can reach us by text or social media. let us talk more about what you said about the cap effects on children -- the apps effects on children. do we know if it has been effective? guest: tiktok has a transparency center, parent center were parents of kids or teens that use the app can logon and see with the policies are, what is allowed and what is not. there are certain controls parents can put on. for users that are younger,

there are privacy and viewing settings that are on by default. this is standard practice stuff we have seen social media platforms do in response to worries about children using tech platforms over the years. tiktok has been out in front of this. back in the fall, they did a whole day with the press where they were explaining their family center. they had child psychology experts talking about the effect of technology on teens. they wanted to get ahead of the conversation. at the end of the day, they want to say tiktok is a joyful app, kids learn things on it connect to other people and are less lonely when they use it. ultimately, this is healthy. there is no way for a social media app to be totally healthy. in addition to addiction potential problems, misinformation and dangerous content can still end up on the app despite a platforms best efforts to combat it. tiktok has been particularly aggressive in this realm to make

it stand out against its peers. host: the biden administration has talked about banning tiktok. the previous administration talked about it. tell me how likely that could be, and how do you even do that? guest: i mean, if you would have asked me a year or two ago, i would have said it is probably not going to happen. but the heat is on tiktok right now. congress can pass laws that give the department of commerce more latitude to restrict or ban apps that they deem bad for u.s. national security, there is a bipartisan bill that would do just that. the biden administration said it supports that bill. they could simply not accept a national security deal, they could force bytedance to sell tiktok to an american owner. bytedance says that would be fairly impossible to get done, but it might be the only way

tiktok is allowed to stay in the u.s. host: the other social media platforms like facebook and whatsapp and all of that are looking at this very carefully. what could a van-- ban or discussion of restricting tiktok have on them? guest: i think any technology company that has any sort of business in china, that has any roots in china, is worried about this. tiktok is the subject of the hour, that is what everyone is concerned about. but there will be trickle down effects to other apps. i am sure they are taking notes today. host: let us talk to her viewers, ron is first, a republican in california. caller: good morning. i first have to say thank you for your grace and elegance on bringing to the program, i really enjoy that.

tiktok, if anyone had been paying attention, in 1999 it was investigated by the chinese government for being too liberal. things have changed since 1999, but we do not have a libertarian party or anything else in the republican party anymore. the bottom line of this story is whether it is facebook, instagram, any of these social media programs -- if they restrict tiktok, they can do it to anybody. that is think the overwhelming concept that everybody is missing. you can pick on one name or another, picking winners and losers, as they used to say. it is the same thing. we have to have a freedom of expression. if the people go on tiktok or

facebook or instagram and realize their information is completely transparent and everybody can see it, that is their problem. they can pick to do that. host: go ahead. guest: the first amendment thing that you bring up is a valid argument that tiktok has brought up. if the u.s. government tries to ban or restrict tiktok in the u.s., there is a case to be made that cannot be done on first amendment grounds. groups have talked about this. it is a freedom of expression argument and if it gets any further, we will probably see first amendment arguments. host: maryland, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. you mentioned there are two primary reasons tiktok is being investigated, one is national security and the second is the normal social media issues around addiction and things like that.

on the security aspect, what type of information do we feel tiktok is capturing that is unique to tiktok that may be the chinese would not have access to via other means, what makes them unique in that regard? you mentioned early in the conversation other companies have been brought to bear in front of congress. instagram, youtube, facebook. a lot of these problems with addiction, overwhelming use from young children, things like that. did anything happen as a result of that? what type of actions would be expect to see coming out of tiktok that we could maybe look at? thanks. guest: sure. on your first question, there is a lot of questions around the effectiveness of tiktok's algorithm. it is thought among tech experts

that could be really into into what people want, what people are watching and are interested in. it is scarily accurate how your page, when you open the app, can be so attuned to what you are interested in and looking at. just that. accurate and is worried people -- just that eerie accurateness is what worried people. should the chinese government have access to that, they could get in there and start manipulating public thought. they could show certain tiktok videos in swing states during the elections, they could sow division among election times and stuff like that because they know what people are thinking, seeing and hearing. there is basic national security concerns, like people's names, addresses, personal information. it is more sort of this

geopolitical culture that national security experts are worried about, especially on the general security front, that is why we seen so many bans bans on government devices. it is low hanging fruit to ban it on government devices in the name of national security. what has happened to other tech companies, in response to congressional concerns about privacy and security, safety, kids mental health, tech companies have made a lot of changes to their platform policies, transparency policies. they've given more tools to parents. they've done things like prompting kids to sign off and reduce screen time, stuff like that. they have done this since sweeping federal legislation. congress talked a big game about tech and how it wants to regulate tech, but they can barely get it done.

there are many bills passed around every year, a lot of them never make it to the full floor in are not signed by the president. in response, companies are responding in real time to what they are hearing in addressing things before they can become law. it is a cycle like that. host: let us talk to robert in texas, independent. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. before i ask my question, i want to say i think you look very lovely today. my question, i have two. the first one is, how can we make sure bytedance did not program away for tiktok to transmit our personal data to third party servers for source code? two, as a subsidiary of bytedance, does tiktok have any

loyalty in their bylaws to the chinese communist party? guest: good questions. i think u.s. national security experts will tell you on the first point it is impossible to know that. the company has been on the record many times as saying they've never shared information with the chinese government. whether you want to take the company at their word or not, that it's up to the individual. i do not think there is anything in their bylaws about any sort of loyalty to the ccp. if you or any chinese company, you are subject to the national security law. that is the open question. would they comply if they were asked? that is the situation we have not seen yet. host: the tiktok ceo put out a

video on tiktok, as you would expect. i want to show the viewers that, then we will talk about it. [video clip] >> hi, everyone. i am the ceo of tiktok. i am in washington, d.c. today and i have news and updates to share. today, i'm super excited to announce that more than 150 million americans are on tiktok. that is a most half of the u.s. coming to tiktok to connect, create, share, learn and have fun. this includes 5 million businesses that use tiktok to reach their customers and the majority of these are small and medium businesses. his numbers are amazing, and i am so thankful to all of you and the 7000 tiktok employees in the u.s. helping us build this incredible community in america and around the world. this comes at a pivotal moment for us. some politicians have started talking about banning tiktok, this could take tiktok away from all 150 million of you.

i will be testifying before congress later this week to share all that we are doing to protect americans using the app and deliver on the mission to inspire creativity and bring joy. let me know in the comments what you want your elected representatives to know about what you love about tiktok. host: that was the tiktok ceo, he will be testifying before congress today at 10:00. that is in 40 minutes over on c-span 3 and our video app, c-span now and c-span.org. you do not want to miss that. the company is going on the charm offensive and appealing to the 150 million americans using it, increasing lobbying efforts in washington. what impact do you think that will have? guest: honestly, i do not think it will have a lot of impact. i have watched social media companies do charm offenses for a long time. if a politician has their mind made up that this is a good thing for them to grandstand

about or appear strong on, it does not matter what the charm offensive looks like. what is interesting is that tiktok is doing the same thing we have seen facebook do, googled do, snapchat, all of the other apps. the interesting thing here is the army of influencers. they are funny, they make engaging videos. a bunch have been at the capitol this week. i do nothing politicians care. they might start to care is we start to see definitive evidence that a tiktok ban could hurt a certain party in the election and cause people to not vote for them, that is when we would see some impact. but it is able to relate to tell. host: there's been pretty bipartisan opposition to tiktok, however there are congressmen that are in favor of it, including new york representative jamaal brown.

what is behind their support for tiktok? guest: i think for that member of congress, he is saying this is an engaging, useful social media app. i use it to talk to my constituents, i think it is fun, i think the content is light and educational. this is a first amendment issue. why are you trying to ban a popular social media app that americans enjoy? i think he does not understand or cannot seem to agree that it is a pressing national security issue. he thinks it is a fun app and banning it would be a violation of the first amendment, he does not see why his colleagues -- host: republican line, illinois. caller: a great conversation today, i want to thank you for that. way better than open forum. it has been reported -- host: did we lose you?

you dropped out, can you say your question again? caller: the question is, it has been reported that tiktok has remote two-stroke monitoring access and remote access to microphone and photos, have you heard anything about this? guest: yes, i have heard -- i have read reporting about what they do, their policies. a lot of the reporting about these sort of security issues we talk about have been before they made all of these national security commitments and privacy commitments. what has been hard for me to reconcile in my reporting is stuff like that, what was happening in the past does not still happen now, has the company reconciled it? i cannot speak to the exact things you list, whether they ever happened or are still happening. but it is true there has been a

lot of reporting about policies that would raise some security alarm. what is not clear to me is if any of that is still happening. host: let us talk to grant, independent in nebraska. caller: thank you for taking my call. good morning to you both. i think the whole national security stuff with the data that tiktok has really falls to the wayside. as the guest said, it is a lot of grandstanding by politicians. the real issue behind all of this is money. advertising money. that is something tiktok seems to be equal if not a superior competitor to with twitter and facebook. because of the amount of engagement, the amount of users, tiktok has the ability to bring in a lot of advertising money because of the targeted advertising they can offer that is basically eating facebook and twitter's lunch. this is an opinion i agree with

that was shared with adam curry from the no agenda show. host: i have a question, do you not think it being owned by a chinese company is a national security issue at all? caller: i think it is an issue, but i think it falls second to the amount of money that is being -- that can be made in advertising. the financial connections that politicians have with these big social media companies. host: go ahead. guest: you make a good point. tiktok has been very successful in the digital advertising realm , they have also been really popular in general and facebook and twitter and youtube have taken notice of the competition they get from tiktok. that contributes to a lot of what you hear from other social media companies. they may place ads behind other

groups they are secretly funding or not so secretly, same tiktok as a national security threat. maybe they believe those things. but they also believe is that tiktok is major competition. there is a lot at play. when big tech companies are accused of being monopolists, they like to point to tiktok and thriving competition. look at tiktok, they are making so many advertising dollars. they are popular among younger users, which is a decline in demographic for facebook. in situations like this, it is advantageous for meta, twitter, youtube and other companies to say it is a national security concern. we are an american company. as we know, being an american company does not shield you from major data security and privacy problems yourself. the difference is there is no sissy asian with the chinese government. that is my answer to that. host: craig in pennsylvania,

democrat. caller: from just looking at this on google, i think chinese make most of the phones in the world. host: is that your point? caller: that is part of the question. instead of china spying on us with a social media app, wouldn't it be easier to do it with the hardware on the phones itself? host: ashley? guest: people have made that argument, that a lot of devices are made in china. i think there are arguments on all sides about that. there is device security to worry about, i think these days, people are more concerned about software and tracking that happens on the internet, not so much hardware on devices. but there are many ways to look at it. host: brian in connecticut, independent. caller: sort of in conjunction

with the last person spoke about , the actual hardware. do we become our device? is there something embedded in each one of our devices and what we access the internet on, screen time, that identifies as specifically, like a sim card, identifying a specifically? for targeted advertising? the other thing is, the fellow that spoke just before the most recent caller who was talking about the money trail there advertising, but also as will rogers once quipped, we have the best government money can buy. a lot of this is how much

campaign contributions are coming from social media companies to all of our politicians. host: go ahead, ashley. guest: to your first question, i am not a hardware expert. i cannot answer that for you. what i will say is that true digital advertising and tracking via internet as these companies use advertisers know a whole lot about us. that is not disputable. lobbying and influence in washington definitely calls into question a lot of politicians motivations. there is a ton of money spent in d.c., the tech industry is no different. host: a call from here in d.c., independent. good morning. caller: i am glad the subject came up. unless you guys have been paying attention to what is happening in congress, when they testify, they try to crucify them saying

he is an incompetent reporter when he has all kinds of praises. he uncovered different fbi agent's working inside -- all kinds of discussions and email exchanges within twitter, they were deciding whether or not anything was to be censored. everything from the vaccine to where the virus came from. it is a matter of control. they cannot control tiktok, they can control facebook. i worked for the for 20 years, they had all these videos about 9/11 and one has 30 million views. all of a sudden, that was downgraded. the official story would pop up on top. it is a matter of control. if you cannot control the media, you risk the people starting to think for themselves.

host: let us get an answer, go ahead, ashley. guest: i am not sure if you asked anything there, but it is true there is a lot of information across all social media platforms that could be considered misinformation or misleading, it is something on platforms deal with. host: we will take one more call from eric, democratic line. caller: i have a question for your guest, don't you think it is racist that a country -- that an app from china is being put in front of congress and is being scrutinized for the same thing american companies do? facebook, instagram, all these other companies do the exact same thing where a look over your notes, look into your cameras, take all this stuff. host: do you not feel it is fundamentally different, given

the company is a chinese company and china is not a friend to the united states? caller: if they are not a friend to the united states, why is it the majority of her stuff is made there? why did they decide to move jobs from union companies and offshore them if they are not friends with us? host: if you wanted to comment, go ahead. guest: i was just going to say, that argument has been made that it is racist or xenophobic. tiktok's leaders have said that and other people have said that, as well. host: ashley gold, thanks for joining us. guest: thank you. host: the tiktok ceo will be testifying in about half an hour, we are covering that live on c-span 3. he will be addressing in his first congressional testimony a lot of the issues we just discussed, be sure to watch that

. that starts at 10:00 a.m. eastern, about 25 minutes, over on c-span 3. you can see it on c-span now or online at c-span.org. that is it for this segment. coming up's open forum, you can start calling in now. (202) 748-8001, republican (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. stay with us. ♪ >> preorder your copy of the congressional directory for the 118th congress, your access to the federal government with bio and contact information for every house and senate member, important information on congressional committees, the president's cabinet, federal agencies and state governors. scan the code to preorder yo copy today for early spring it is 2995 plus shipping and

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minutes until the end of the program. some thing i wanted to show you first was from the washington times, the headline of maternal-- moderna defends faxing price hike. they are boosting the price of the covid-19 shop because it faces increased complexity and risk as the pandemic stabilizes and the lifesaving vaccine prevents from a government funded to a commercial product. the ceo was at a senate hearing on wednesday, talked about what taxpayers are owed after they supported critical medicine. he said the nih and operation warp speed let moderna develop the vaccine faster than it would have been able to on its own, but rejected accusations of greed. he said his company developed its messenger rna platform through years of private investments and faces a daunting task once the government stops buying millions of doses.

let us take a look at a portion of that hearing from the senate, here's republican rand paul grilling the ceo of maternal over potential conflict of interest and the safety risk of their covid vaccine. [video clip] >> moderna recently paid nih, do you believe it creates a conflict of interest for government employees who are making money off of the vaccine to also be dictating the policy about how many times we have to take the vaccine? >> good morning, senator. indeed, we recently made -- before christmas last year, the payment to the nih. not related to covid. >> do you think it creates a conflict of interest for the same people deciding the policy of how often we have to take the vaccine to also be making money

the more times we take the vaccine? yes or no? >> that is for the government to decide. >> you have no opinion on whether or not creeds a conflict of interest. is there a higher incidence of myocarditis among adamant listen -- adolescent males after taking your vaccine? >> first let me say, we care about safety interworking with the cdc and fda -- >> yes or no, is there higher incidence of myocarditis among boys 16 to 24 after they take your vaccine? >> the data has shown there is less myocarditis for people who get the vaccine than people who get the covid infection. >> for ages 16 to 24 among males who take the covid vaccine, risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease? >> that is my understanding. >> that is not true, i would like to enter into the record six peer-reviewed papers from --

papers that say the complete opposite of what you said. i also spoke with your president last week and he readily acknowledged in private that yes, there is increased risk of myocarditis. the fact you cannot say in public is quite disturbing. host: that was senator rand paul at testimony with the ceo of modernity yesterday. myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle. it is open forum, we are taking your calls. loretta is first in mississippi, democrat. caller: it is republican, i guess i am on the wrong line. i was: to inform people there building a battery factory in michigan -- host: you have to call on the right line, otherwise it is not fair to other people. bradley is in michigan, the line for democrats. caller: yes, thank you for c-span and for taking my call. i would like to pay homage to

ronald reagan's call for the republican party, it is already in place because it allows the 3% oath keepers, proud boys and girls, qanon, alex jones, election deniers and haters of the federal agencies and mainstream media. 1/06 sympathizers, look at possibly go wrong if they get any power? host: from florida, independent line. caller: how are you? thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead. caller: i am very concerned -- most of americans, these vaccines, you do not have to be a doctor or physicist. once these viruses come out, by the time they come up with a vaccine for the virus, that

virus has mutated. a lot of these vaccines are behind. fighting something that is constantly changing, by the time we come up with the right vaccine, it is already changed. they are always behind. host: carol from houston, texas. democrat. caller: hello. this is carol. i take issue with what you said on the last caller of the last segment, about china being the enemy. i do not consider china to be an enemy. host: i did not say china was an enemy, i said china was not friendly to the united states. caller: i think you used the word enemy of the united states. host: i'm pretty sure i did not. caller: you can check it out.

that is propaganda, a lot of people believe that, the way they believe a lot of other things. when you live in a country, the news is totally wiped out from the wars we have around the country, in ukraine we get the one side and one side only. host: you mention the war in ukraine, the chinese president xi was meeting with president putin of russia. do you think russia is from the to the dead states -- friendly to the united states? caller: i think russia is friendly. i did not call in to get a cross-examination value, i was calling about your statement saying china was an enemy of the united states. host: fred, independent line. caller: i want to talk about the banking situation, we should get rid of half of the regulations the bank are under and anytime a bank fails, the people who run

the bank should be forced into chapter seven liquidation to punish the people who actually did it. we should always rescue the depositors. a lot of these banks have cryptocurrency and to me, cryptocurrency is a you -- is a numerical version of religion. if you are rich, you are somehow protected. actually, it is all made up. it is a faith-based financial system, which never works. a lot of the banks that go under have invested in this faith-based currency. another topic is, why is america a super power being pushed around by russians in international water? i do not get this. host: you are talking about the drone that was taking down? caller: correct. can i say urinate on our property?

we are flying in international skies and these people are dumping gas on american property. this is our land. they bent the little propeller a couple of inches, biden said they would not give up one inch of nato territory. they bent that thing three inches, that is nato territory. a drone in international water owned by somebody else is that country, why are we not defending ourselves? host: what do you think should be the reaction? caller: the reaction is one, we knocked down their drones, the missiles they are shooting. let us knock those things down. host: so you want american missiles to shoot down russian military equipment in ukraine? caller: correct.

they shoot down our equipment in international waters. it seems they have turned into old whining ladies that have no strategic war planning. general milley comes on and talks philosophically about all this stuff, but never talks tactically about an enemy who wants to destroy us. host: let us talk to charles in ohio, democrat. caller: yes. first thing i want to talk about is the republicans come every time they get in they want to hold the united states government hostage because they want to control spending. when they get in there with the president, they spend all the money they want. another thing is, when nikola

tesla went and came up with an idea of free electricity for everybody in the country, j.p. morgan stopped funding his projects because j.p. morgan wanted to control the electricity and charge everybody for it. host: tesla? caller: yes. why don't they get tesla's records from the fbi and figure out how to give everybody free electricity in the world? then, they can run and get rid of fossil fuels. thank you. host: gary in california, independent. caller: hi. can you hear me? well, let us start from the beginning.

we think, in terms of four years , because that is how the president gets elected. parties change or stay the same. the crux of the whole matter is china wants to rule the world. we all know this. yet we are funneling money to china in terms of money we spend to make our products and bring them over here at a low price. congress is ruled by money. i do not know if this has been said before, but 60% -- 60 plus percent of the time that congress spends in their offices

is raising money to get reelected. consequently, we are dropping the ball. china wants to rule the world, they think in terms of hundreds if not thousands of years, because that is how long they have been around. we've been around for 250 years. consequently, our economy is built on money and that is what rules the united states. host: sidney is in florida, democrat. caller: yes. on the thing with china, one thing i realized is we are making an enemy out of china. at the same time, our

medications and clothing and other stuff is coming up out of china, the technology we are using, a lot of it is coming up out of there. yet we are not focusing even on the stuff in our country. 4 things likecha--things like 4chan, reddit. it is a lot of negative stuff, bad stuff for the country has come over those social media platforms. host: do you feel that tiktok is being unfairly targeted? caller: i do. i think it is little too much hype, considering everybody is kind of monitoring everybody the best that they can.

there are groups that are constantly monitored, information and things that are coming across social media, there is some type of monitoring. even by the companies themselves. i do not see the fear. if anything, anytime i've got medication in my house coming from china, then they talk about with fentanyl and other things those products that are coming that are put into medication that folks are taking, it is affecting them had -- them. it is based on individuals -- taking something without knowing what they are taking. host: let us talk to danny,

independent line in south carolina. caller: good morning. he must enjoy the ride. host: let us go to michael in north carolina, republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning, how are you? caller: i'm doing great. absolutely fantastic. i was calling about moderna, i think they saved countless lives for their vaccine -- with their vaccine. with warp speed and the trump administration, they performed man-made miracles. the only thing i have a problem with moderna and the other vaccines is they have age limits. they tried to stagger the people going to get the vaccine. what i think they should do is allow everyone to get the vaccine or the booster at any time.

that is my only issue. host: you mean in the initial rollout? after the vaccine was rolled out and it was more available, than everybody was able to get it. caller: everybody was available to get it. when i was speaking of is the booster, the second booster they came out from a dharna, -- from moderna, the age limit was 50 and older. i was not able to get the booster. host: are you able to get it now? caller: yes, god forbid, what if something would have happened? host: i am glad you are ok. pearl is in ohio, democrat. caller: good morning, how are you? host: i am doing ok. caller: my comment is, the republicans always want to raise taxes, always want to hurt the poor people. we just got a raise on social security, i was reading through

the internet that republicans want to cut it down to 20%. they are always talking about cut, cut, cut. raise taxes on the people making at least $400,000 and above. host: independent, good morning. caller: good morning. you are my favorite, you look very nice today. host: thank you. caller: on a serious note, i'm calling in reference to recent school shootings. a six-year-old in virginia i guess had possession of a gun and shot a teacher, fortunately she is ok. a 17-year-old in denver -- i am not sure, somewhere in colorado,

had a gun. i think the teacher in virginia is suing the administration. everyone is quick to blame the nra, they are the scapegoat. i'm going to say something that will outrage probably most of your viewers and listeners, are the parents comparable for any of this? if a six-year-old has possession of a gun, do the parents bear any responsibility for their children's actions? i know i just upset probably everyone listening if they are parents, but i am not one. i know raising children is difficult these days, but you should have some knowledge of what they are doing. you cannot be with them all the time, i understand that. but if they are getting possession of guns -- host: as far as access, if you are not securing the firearms

and ammunition and things like that. caller: yeah. you never hear anyone mention the parent. they mention the nra, the school administration. but no one says anything about the parents. that is my concern. host: lloyd is in maine, republican. are you there? maybe not, virginia, democrat. caller: good morning. i want to say you are doing a great job this morning, as always. i have two questions. i am an old timer, when brian lamb started doing c-span and hosting, is there any way the american people can get him? we would love to have him in the

seat for about 30 minutes. my second issue is, the republican party always talk about law and justice. democrats around the country, we want to see that law works. we want to see on tv camera when they asked president trump to put his hands behind his back and make sure we have the cameras showing the american people to see how the law really works. when we get his mug shot, we really want to see that. you will have a good day. -- you all have a good day. host: sorry, pressed the wrong number. new york, independent line. caller: good morning, thank you for your program. it is interesting. i would like to comment on the ukrainian situation, i am hearing a lot of different initiatives. the bottom line is, putin is

stubborn. zelenskyy is stubborn. i do not think there will be an agreement between parties. it is up to the outside interests, the u.s., china, france, the major powers outside those two individuals. host: what do you want the united states to do? caller: i think they should be -- i think all parties should be concerned for the ultimate goal of reducing the violence over there. stopping the innocent people from getting killed. host: how? caller: whatever it might take, i think it is up to the people outside of ukraine, outside of russia. that includes china, france, england, the united states, everyone of us. that is the only way out. i do not hear anybody with any other -- any reasonable way to do it. host: jack in michigan,

independent. caller: hello, c-span. for other news sources that you have on and different think tanks, i would hope you could feature a noncorporate new source for once. what i would call independent source. there is a journalist, julian assange, who has done real journalism and put his life on the line. i do not think i've seen anyone on c-span who put their life on the line for real journalism, i think all journalists want to speak up for him and get him free, that is the first amendment. case closed. host: i want to make sure everyone knows that starting shortly on c-span 3, we have the testimony by tiktok ceo mr. chew about the companies they do security, relationship with the chinese government. that is life coverage on c-span 3 before the house energy and

commerce committee, starting in about one minute. it is also on c-span now or online at c-span.org. i want to thank everybody that called in for today's washington journal, we are back again tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. we are going to take -- the house is about to come in, i think we can take one more call? rosemary in illinois, republican. caller: i want you to know you are doing a very hard job, doing a good job. the beautiful woman on television is doing a good job. i want to say real quick, last night we watched a movie about a marine that did not get his money he was supposed to get as his retirement, he was a marine for four years and worked 17 hours every day. host: i am afraid we have to go right to the house, they are about to gavel in.