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tiktok rather, how do you convince the congress of the united states that there could be a clean break? why would the chinese government sidestep their national law including article seven, article 10 in terms of user data. >> thank you for that question i am glad you asked. our plan is to move american data and risk -- restore american soil. >> i understand that where you are sidestepping i have not read anything in terms of tiktok how you can actually say that you -- spoke in your opening statement about a firewall will attempt to the data. the chinese government has that data. how can you promise that that

will move into the united states of america and to protected here? >> i have seen no evidence that the chinese government has access to the data. the access was not provided. >> i find that actually preposterous. >> i see no evidence of this happening and in order to assure everyone here our commitment is to move the data into the united states and restore it on american soil by an american company and oversee it by american personnel. the risk would be similar to going to any american company and asking for data. host: we cover the hearing all five hours on c-span you can find it on our website at c-span.org. as lawmakers decide whether or not they can ban or should ban the app in the united states we want you to tell us what you think they should do this

morning. as many of you know this came under consideration and are -- under the trump administration and the biden administration now. they endorse legislation granting the governmen greater -- greater power over foreign owned apps noting the legal path ahead. in 2020 federal judges ruled the administration had not provided enough evidence to show that the national security risk outweighed the damage that a band would do to america -- a ban would do to americans first amendment rights. good morning, mary, you say yes to the app. why do you think it should be banned? >> i think it should be banned because, one reason is for the children's sake.

there's a lot of inappropriate things that goes on on tiktok that our kids should not be privy to. >> should that go for twitter, facebook, and other social media platforms? caller: yes, some of it. yes. host: all right. mercedes in nebraska you say no. welcome. go ahead. caller: thank you for having me this morning and thank you for having the show. i say no because it is a first amendment violation. the market provides entertainment and we adapt to it. what i think we need to do now is have a good old-fashioned conversation about national security and americans stepping up and taking the first step. the government cannot do anything ahead of this. they are trying and cannot -- doing the best they can.

what is going on in the world in the larger scale of things we need to be careful with what we are doing. in my opinion i think we should stop using the app as an american. we know the risks one of the most patriotic things we can do is abstain from using this product. why not be enraged over our country together at the country not in a way that is combative but in a way that says hey, it until we get this figured out and we know we are safe and that china is going to do what they say because they are trying to do really good things right now we need to just take a step back and reevaluate where we are as a country. i'd like to see an american competitor that answers to it and especially in the meantime while we do our patriotic duty and abstain from giving people information about ourselves. host: you say no to the ban

that people should just stop using it on their own. a grassroots movement. caller: yes, absolutely. host: 41% of americans support a ban of this but 25% say they oppose it and never 70% -- over 70% say they are concerned. luis in new york. you say yes to a ban. caller: hello? oh i'm sorry, yes i am 100% for banning it completely. because our politicians have already gave enough proof that that is a danger for us. that is the danger for our national security. they already have the proof and prove it many times.

host: that is interesting let me hear your reaction to this this is the washington post you say they proved it yesterday. the hearing exposed no new evidence to support lawmakers unsubstantiated claims that the chinese government has abused tiktok to access american user data or promote government propaganda. yet lawmakers appeared outspoken in their concerns about the national rest of the app. caller: ok you want me to answer that? host: yes, i want you to respond maybe they showed evidence that has been out there already. caller: exactly. right. exactly. so. host: ok. caller: i am saying banned it completely. you know what? society -- the way a society is

-- those things, you know, the destruction of a society comes within then they come from the outside and attack. i do not trust the chinese communist party as far as i could throw them. they only want to be more powerful than us. yesterday and the day before the chinese president said this changes are coming. they want to be the leaders of the whole world. they have had enough already here. they own pieces of land and buildings. what a redoing knowing that they are communist? they are never going to change so why should we keep letting them come into the country and have an open society that we have and come after us. host: all right luis and others in new york. just a reminder you have to turn down your television as we continue to take your calls,

texts, facebook coats -- posts, and your tweets. in georgia, good morning to you what do you say? caller: i think no. i think we should be focused -- government employees should not have -- it is a great app, you know? also, the kids are becoming quiet about it but i promise you if you band tiktok that will be --ban tiktok there will be some sort of backlash. and we probably should be focusing on our own because i am sure that they probably use that data as well. i think they should not ban it because i think it is a wonderful app. host: there's 150 million americans all the app they have 7000 employees in the united

dates do you think that makes a difference -- united states do using that makes a difference? caller: i think politicians are using this against china and i am not banning china i am not mad at what they do it is a wonderful app. it really is. host: on your point i want to show the congressman democratic congressman of new york who held a news conference held by tiktok influencers. those who created content on the app who are rallying against the proposed ban. here is a little bit from the rally. >> i want to start with the aspect of free speech. our first amendment gives us the right to speak freely and communicate freely. tiktok as a platform has created a community and space for free speech for 150 million americans

and accounting -- and counting. that includes many of the concept -- content creators that i just met with him i office -- met with in my office. they talked with me about a sense of community and a place that is helpful to their mental health and their sense of belonging and well-being. they talk to me about finding a place where they can communicate with others like them and learn to love themselves even further. i so appreciate them being that honest and vulnerable with me in terms of how they engage with tiktok. host: an argument -- an argument for keeping tiktok in the united states.

lawmakers and washington and the president debate whether or not there should be a ban on the app. in new york. go ahead. caller: good morning i could not more with one speaker a few calls back. who, i think, she said that we already have china and here and they are buying up buildings and other things. this country is our deadly enemy. it has been stated by them that they want to destroy us. and why the congress didn't want to wake up until now to this i don't know. the u.s. has been naive habitually. this country i don't know if it has the rights of free speech. those laws are for us. i would not recommend banning everything, but china has made it self very clear on what it

wants with us and it wants nothing but to dominate us. host: ok margaret says she does not know what took lawmakers so long on capitol hill yesterday. the topic of china was all over the place. you have his hearing that went on for five hours, you had the defense budget hearing where the topic of preparations to respond to any aggression to china came up, the secretary testifying on capitol hill about china's meeting with the russian president and other topics. and in the evening yesterday, the new committee looking at the communist government of china. the new committee and the house held a hearing in the ink on the human rights violation against the weaker people -- and the force waiver -- the weaker people in china and they force

waiver -- labor. if you could talk on her website you will see points of interest that will allow you to go through the hearing and get an idea of what lawmakers were asking to witnesses. d in missouri you say no. good morning. caller: good morning. we have a national network of fox news where i don't know if we actually have american citizenship or dual citizenship but the network has admitted to lying to the american public about our election results. my whole issue with tiktok is the fact that does this

hypocrisy in the american government with regard to who we can get our information from. and also, there is the issue of -- i personally have heard some of the questions that congressman have asked and i think it would have been more official to the chinese government to see how inapt our elected officials are at technology. i have yet to hear anybody ask an elected official if they can even use their gmail effectively or any kind of email. for if they even still have a hotmail account. our elected officials don't know anything about technology. they rely upon these industries to tell them what to ask and to tell them what to be concerned about. and those things we may or may

not -- may or may not be relevant. host: yesterday you're talking about yesterday's hearing, the presentation? caller: yes their questions were an embarrassment. if anybody knows anything about technology and how things work if you listen to your elected official talk about these things, it is a embarrassment. we live in a technical society now and the people are -- we are electing do not know what the hell they are talking about. host: let's go back to the questioning by lawmakers yesterday another point with a montage of tiktok videos encouraging users to kill themselves. we will not show the videos but this is what the congressman said ahead of showing those videos. there is powerful content shared on the app. >> i know you know about the

blackout challenge which others may know about the choking challenge that encourages children to bring them to the point of an -- unconsciousness or in some cases stretch -- tragically death. if that is not enough, i want to share his story, a 16-year-old boy from new york who tragically ended his life a year ago by stepping in front of a train area i want to thank his parents again they are here. i want to thank his parents for being here today and allowing us to show this. your company destroy the very lives. your company destroyed their lives. i admire the courage to be here and share the story in hopes that this will prevent this from happening to other families. the content in this page was not

a window to discovery as you boldly claimed in your testimony . it was not content from a creator, that you invited to roam the hill today it is the damage that you cause to children in china. instead, this was sadly a window to discover suicide. it is unacceptable, sir, that even after knowing all of dangers you still claim tiktok is something grand to behold. i want you to see what these families would see. and i think if you want, again, would you share this content with your children? with your children? host: from capitol hill yesterday getting thoughts on whether or not tiktok should be banned in the united states.

com lawmakers a rare occurrence a company ceo testifying before the american congress. the chief executive officer of tiktok praised the rapid growth in the united states and had this to say about its initiative to protect users, especially teenagers. >> two years ago i became the ceo of tiktok. today we have more than one billion monthly active users around the world. including over 150 million in the united states. our app is close to a creator and we are close to 5 million american businesses having new customers and they have grown. as tiktok has grown, we try to take the lessons of the companies that have come before us is specially when it goes to the safety of teenagers. the vast majority of people on

tiktok are over 18 but one of the great demographics of people who are over 35 we spent a lot of time having measures to protect teenagers. many of the measures are for the social media industry. we forbid direct messaging for people under 16 and we have a 15 minute watch time cut off for those that are under 18. their parents can dissipate in their experience and make the choices that are right for their family. we want tiktok to be a place where teenagers can come together and that is why we recently launched and an exclusively educational video about them. those videos already have 160 billion views on tiktok. and tiktok is inspiring a new generation to become a leader in math and science. host: yesterday tiktok ceo

testifying before lawmakers and we are asking you to tell them the lawmakers behind them on capital hill of whether they should ban tiktok or not. and there is a social media law meaning kids need approval from their parents. two laws were signed by the governor prohibiting kids under 18 from using social media between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 6:30 a.m. requiring verification for anyone who wants to use social media in this date -- in the state. it says at the beginning of the story children would lose access to social media apps if they do not have parental consent and other restrictions. that is the first in the nation's law designed to block young people from an addictive platform.

mark in alabama what do you say? caller: in not sure we should start picking winners or losers. in the form -- it is a form of communication that should be protected, if we don't agree with it. i think maybe do something very american with it and maybe tax it that is what i have to say. host: ok with a vast number of platforms available to americans at this time this one is now being singled out. china's real lies are vast and its continues to increase daily. this viewer is referencing the amount of trade that we do in china and how much from the united states is from china. outside of just having the tiktok app on your phone.

cal in new york. you say yes. hello. caller: are you talking to me? host: we are. it is your turn. caller: oh, ok. i think china is trying to learn as much as they can from us and through all different avenues. from farming and fair business and i think tiktok eventually will be more and more and more they want to make it about dependents of china. as it is, we are pretty much they. with our medicals and things like that. and i think we are going to lose. host: alright you got to mute the television this morning. washington post alabama is one of more than two dozen states that have banned tiktok on government owned devices.

almost all of them within the last two months. this is a government panic over a popular app that is known for its jokes and dance routines. in maryland you say no to the van. -- to the ban. caller: correct. host: good morning. go ahead. caller: i think there is a concern for how the user data is handled but there is nothing different about tiktok than anything else like facebook. it did not take tiktok for another 30 jobs or user data to use it appropriately. host: barbara santa fe springs yes to the ban. caller: yes basically because we are at odds currently with china.

geopolitically and not only tiktok but for the things that are happening with russia and china and iran and saudi arabia and the alliances that are being -- that they have entered into. it is the first time that we have had adversaries that we have cut ties with. china happens to be an adversary that is jeopardizing the united states of america with its freedom and everything else. our dependence must in in order --end in order to succeed with the culture and the ideologies that we have whether they be democratic, republican, party lines or just regular united states freedom.

people enjoy it. i have never used it. but, they have to realize that this is beyond that. whenever we have entered into a war or anything like that national security has always become a priority. and that is where we are today. host: ok fort dodge, iowa. you are unsure. good morning. caller: good morning how are you doing today? host: doing well. caller: i wanted to make a couple points. you know everybody doesn't think about things like i do and you got to think about how you have 150 million americans in america. imagine that being like a laser targeting system where they could target certain phones and who knows what they want to do with you and the targeted phone.

we are all forgetting about edward stone. we forget about him not many people have this program called a pegasus and it is a program where they can find people of a certain group to basically turn on your phone without you even being on it. just basically control it. turn it on, use it however they want. the person who -- when you think about where the computer derived from, the cio. host: why are you unsure? caller: i'm trying to make sure people understand that computers are the end of the world not the best thing of the world. the derivative was the cia and the number two billionaire richest man in the world you know, he owns the hawaiian

island out there and it seems funny that the ufos out there are so -- they have a lot of them out there. host: this is a viewer who text us to say, from texas, saying yes, i think tiktok should be banned not only is it a national security issue but it has a negative impact on a younger generation. i have a 13-year-old daughter and i know it has impacted her. tiktok seems to be dangerous on another level. looking at reaction of lawmakers from another individual. josh tweeting out we know the government uses the u.s. as an enemy. we know they are trying to spy on us and compromise the critical infrastructure and we know this gives them access to millions of americans data. they can control what our kids

see and consume. you have mark warner of virginia do senator who is part of that -- chairman of the intelligence committee trying to change -- every company when requested to do the bidding of the ccp services with over 150 million -- americans on tiktok this is a serious national security concern. senator tom cotton saying shou chew refused to say whether chinese employees in tiktok had access to american data. the answer tells you everything that you need to know. and other republican senator finding one of the biggest geopolitical threats that america has ever faced beyond reckless remember the congress is still encouraging constituents to use tiktok despite knowing the chinese government is mining all their personal info. so you can see there is bipartisan support on capitol

hill to possibly ban this app from the united states. but as we showed you there are some members of congress who are supporting it. here is the republican mark he also spoke at the rally in support of the platform on wednesday. here is what he had to say. >> we are not addressing the actual problem. the debate has gone to let's banned tiktok. a couple reasons why. when you watch members of congress talk about issues like this it is cringe worthy. and the content is watching people who are above the average age i think most people use tiktok because they have never done it or you -- looked at it. i have watched the wednesday dance four times that i can count. i watch people do magic tricks and interviews and food being made.

none of that as a threat to the country. we are stronger than the wednesday dance. but most members would know that because they have never been there. there is a real problem and we should be addressing it. it includes tiktok, facebook, twitter, instagram, and other platforms about our data and the privacy of our data and selling our data and allowing this information, but that is not is what is being addressed when people say they want to ban tiktok. there are a lot of people here who are individuals using this as a way to express their creative backgrounds and their community buildings that they have. that is not a threat to the country. what is a threat is when you challenge first amendment rights. what is a threat to the country is when you decide that one company from one country that you want to put on the list is not going to work. but at the end of the day we do

have a job as members of congress to protect our data and misinformation. we are not doing that by a ban on tip -- tiktok. i hope that people of the median age in congress is 67.5 years old right now they are watching this and maybe they will see that the threat is not in the -- in a single platform. host: back to your calls heather in atlanta, georgia. you say no to banning the app in the united states. good morning. caller: good morning that is correct and absolutely not do not ban it. here is lie. anyone who thinks that when we log onto tiktok they spy on us which is probably true but that when they go on to instagram or twitter that they do not they are delusional. they all do that. and i want to say the way they treated the ceo yesterday, it

comes down to bullying. they should be is same to themselves for making china the boogie man. what is going on is that facebook, instagram and all the others are taxing them. so they are the good guys. please stop this. capitol hill stop this. just like you have people in your corner and all you guys are for banning, let me tell you as older americans out there like me who are 57 years old we will vote you out. there is not only young people on tiktok there are old people like me starting their second careers they are. we will vote you out. host: heather do you mind sharing what you do on your tiktok? what is your second career? caller: my second career is motivational speaking i motivate people in different areas and i plan to take it off of tiktok and take it into the real world.

i think this is what they are afraid of. it is a shame nobody likes a bully democrat or republican. i am a registered democrat but i will note the democrats out for this. it is just wrong. host: how many followers have you gained since you started this? caller: i only started 2.5 months ago and i have 11,500 followers and i talked to people online as well. you know, this is sad and who will take these congresspeople out and leave the older people on tiktok like me. there are younger people on their and i know that they are. and there's democrats and republicans and independents we are coming together behind this. host: and heather, have you made relationships on tiktok that you see you could leverage for your benefit? caller: i do. i actually spent time with

someone yesterday. what i do as i do my motivational eking and then people contact me through direct messaging and then we make real-world contact. i have also been contacted by people in media. i went on radio programs in new york that are syndicated. what i am saying is it is a bad idea capitol hill to think -- better think twice. host: mike from new york. he says yes and why -- while we are at it ban all social media. if you're worried about national security or leaked information. good morning go ahead. caller: hello. i feel sorry for the ceo who got grilled. but banning is the answer if we can be positive and look at it. they have a right in capitalism to exercise their business. and it seems to me that

everybody likes it so why would you ban it? but, i think it needs a pause to make sure that the communist chinese connections are not they are. if they are they are, then it should be banned but the problem here is communism and world globalism. it is the nature of the internet and technology to be globalized. elon musk cracked open twitter and shows all the communist in twitter and how they ranked the election and it happened with the ceo of facebook. so this is a technology issue and information is power. you find out about this in an old documentary called future shock that was released in 73. it tells you this is coming. we had 30 some odd years or better to figure out that technology can be dangerous and can be abused just like data engineering can be abused. people need to get smart which

is what is happening and they are shocked to see what has found. powell told hillary clinton to have her own private servers even though it is illegal and she did it anyway and got away with it. there's all kinds of stuff that is hitting at once to blame one ceo and one incredibly successful app as being a problem. let's look at it but banning it is a little unmet -- un-american or un-capitalistic. if it has chinese ties then yes it needs to be cut off. host: we heard your point. in news this morning this happened early on u.s. contractors prompting an airstrike response with the pentagon airstrike in response to the attacks with the officials contributing to militants affiliated with iran. weighing in south lebanon, ohio. good morning what are your thoughts on this? caller: good morning.