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the house and the senate will convene today. we begin "washington journal" on the issues of guns in america. tragedy in nashville has americans debating the prevalence of guns in this country. this morning we want to hear from the 30% of americans who are gun owners. let us know why you own a firearm, what you use it for, and what you think about current gun laws. gun owners in the eastern and central u.s. can call in at (202)-748-8000. those in the mountain and pacific regions, (202)-748-8001. you can send us a text to (202)-748-8003. please include your name and where you are from. otherwise catch up on social media on twitter @cspanwj and facebook.com/c-span. you can start calling in now. talking to gun owners only in the first segment.

the editorial board of the washington post sets its sights on one type of firearm owned by some 16 million americans and that is the ar-15. the headline, no one needs an ar-15. military grade rifles have been used in 10 of the 17 deadliest shootings since 2012. there is no excuse for the widespread availability of these weapons of war. that editorial coming the same day the washington post published a deep dive into the ar-15. this is what the front page of the washington post looked like. revered and reviled, is what they named the weapon, the ar-15 thrives in times of tension and tragedy. that story dives into the ownership numbers and the types of americans who own the ar-15. today they write it is the best-selling rifle in the united states. one in 20 adults own at least

one ar-15, according to the washington post, and almost every major gun maker now produces its own version of the weapon. one republican lawmaker introduced the bill in november to declare the ar-15 the national gun of america. it is also a symbol of the gun epidemic. 10 of the 17 deadliest mass shootings since 2012 have involved the ar-15. asking you to call in if you are a gun owner. we want to know why you own a firearm and what you think about current gun laws. (202)-748-8000 is the number if you are a gun owner in the eastern or central united states. (202)-748-8001 if you are a gun owner and the mountain or pacific regions. jared, you are up first. caller: good morning. i am a gun owner. i am a staunch democrat but i am

a gun owner. i purchased it about four years ago for self-defense but the reason i purchased the gun was because i wanted to see how easy or hard it would be in my state of delaware. i bought it on my lunch break in the matter of 15 minutes. i do not know what they check but it was fast. i was able to buy any weapon i wanted. i think every american should have the right to own a gun but i think the gun laws are a little too lenient. i think the ar-15 should not be a street weapon and normal citizens should not be able to buy. i understand it is not a weapon of war. these weapons are not even used in war. but it does more damage on the body. i think we need to get rid of the ar-15 or make these background checks a little more strenuous. make sure the people that are

buying these have good mental health, reasonable reason to have a gun, and have no fear of them using the gun without provocation. host: that is jared in delaware. joe in texas, a gun owner. caller: good morning. i think congress needs to make a new law. only one gun per american. that ladykiller had seven guns legally, ar-15's. for god's sake, the nra are saying ar-15's -- they used the word, not hunting, but like a sport. they like to call it sport. host: you are a gun owner yourself. what do you use your gun for? caller: protection. but i just need one handgun. i do not need an ar-15.

you need to make a new law. congress needs to make a new law that you have to pass a written test and a mental test. seven guns. don't you think that is a lot for one person? host: stephen in new york, how many guns do you own? caller: just two. my wife and i have two shotguns to protect from home invasion. we know because we learned how to use our weapons on a range that nobody needs an ar-15. it will not save you in a home invasion. it will just destroy your house. you cannot use it for hunting because it shreds the animal. there is nothing except human hunting that you can use an ar-15 for. i believe if you think you need an ar-15 for any reason, you do

not need a gun, you need a psychiatrist because you have terrifying ideas. and people say, i want an ar-15 to protect me from the government. the government has tanks and bazookas. that gone is not going to save you from the government. you need a doctor if you need an ar-15. host: also in new york -- will from oklahoma. caller: i have one. host: what do you use it for? caller: protection for the home. it is a nine millimeter pistol. 16 rounds in the clip and one in the breach. that is 17 bullets. my dad served in the united states marine corps and said if you cannot end with 17 bullets, you should not be carrying that thing. but the previous caller, i want to echo his comments that an

ar-15 will shred the meat of anything you hunt. it is not a hunting risa. it is an assault rifle. it should be in the hands of the military. it should be in the hands of police. but it should not be in the hands of a criminal. if it is legal for the gun owner, myself, legal for us to have an ar-15, criminals are going to get the gun. people with bad ideas. it is an assault rifle. i think it parallels weapons that police have and that is never a good scene when the police show up and they are outgunned. i am a second amendment guy. you should have a firearm to protect yourself but you do not need an ar-15. host: you talked about what the rounds from an ar-15 will do to a human body.

in the article from the washington post focusing on the ar-15 they looked at two case studies of what the rounds from an ar-15 will due to a body. looking at what happened with noah, age six, who died in connecticut in a school shooting showing on this chart where the bullets hit his body and what it did to his body when he was hit. the other case study they look at is peter wang,, 1 who died in 15, who died in the parkland shooting. 13 shots hit peter wang and that chart showing the damage it did to his body. the washington post had this deep dive into the ar-15 and published it monday morning. and by monday afternoon the school shooting in nashville happened.

this now a double-page spread in the washington post today and several other pages. asking you gun owners only, talking to the 30% of americans who own a firearm, what do you own your firearm for? what do you think of gun laws in this country? lance, fort lauderdale, florida, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: doing well. go ahead. caller: i am too. one for target shooting and one for home protection, which is not an ar-15. it is a winchester 94 which would do far more damage. host: is that a rifle or a shotgun? caller: that is the country's most popular deer hunting rifle. it fires a 30 cartridge which is more powerful than that

from the ar-15. the ar-15, you can get it in a number of different calibers, but it is not a hunting weapon. people like them because they think they look cool, they look like a military weapon. but it is not a military weapon. there is no military that uses them. a shotgun would do far more damage, especially at close range. across a room a 12 gauge shotgun could cut a person in half. i had to go through a background check to get my weapons and i don't mind that. that's fine with me. but you are dealing with mental health cases and you cannot find that information because of hippa laws. this woman that did this heinous act got her weapons because when she did the background check they would not know about her mental problems, even if she had

been in a mental institution. which on some states they ask have you been institutionalized but most will not let you ask that question and will not give that information out because of privacy. this is a mental health issue, not a gun issue. host: can i ask one question? one issue that has come up in recent years is magazine capacity as a gun issue. not restricting a weapon but restricting the number of rounds in a magazine. what do you think of that? is that something that you think there could be some consensus on? caller: no, because anybody with a high school shop could make a magazine. it is basically a tin container with a spring. anybody who is good with her hand could fabricate one -- good with their hands could fabricate one. when i was a young boy, when i

was 11, i was taken to a local high school, they put a in my hand and taught me how dangerous it was. if you walked around gun with your hand, you would have three guys pushed against the wall and site, are you trying to kill somebody? the key to solving a problem is education but we do not educate our young about how dangerous they are, how to use them properly. and then i think it becomes a problem. and the mental health aspect. these people are crazy. if you ban the ar-15 -- which when it was banned it did nothing -- they will use a winchester or a shotgun. shotguns can hold six rounds. all you need is one to take out a person. a 12 gauge shotgun has a lot of

force. when i was young i fired a 10 gauge which i was told at the time was used to strip mines, that is how powerful it was. host: talking to gun owners only in the segment. why do you own your firearm? our first caller identified as a democrat from delaware and gun owner. another democrat from delaware and gun owner is president biden. he spoke yesterday about the tragedy about gun laws in this country. this is some of what he had to say. [video clip] pres. biden: we have to protect our children to read and write instead of duck and cover. we need to act. these are weapons of war. i must second amendment guy. i have two shotguns. my sons have shotguns. but everybody thinks the second is absolute.

you are not allowed to own a machine gun. you are not allowed to own other things. wide do we allow these weapons of war in our streets and schools? according to law enforcement, the shooter had two assault weapons and a pistol. what in god's name are we doing? this is hard to believe. i never thought that guns would be the number one killer of children in america. guns, number one. it is sick and the overwhelming majority of gun owners agree. we have to do something. the gun owners agree. there is a moral price to pay for inaction. host: that was president biden speaking yesterday. if you aren't in the eastern or central u.s. and you are a gun owner, (202)-748-8000. if you are in the mountain or pacific regions, (202)-748-8001. our question is why you own your gun?

the pew research center has taken a look at that question over the years, talking to gun owners. they found in a survey from august 2019 gun owners are most likely to cite personal safety and protection as the reason they own a firearm. roughly six in 10 said that. a smaller share gave reasons, including 40% that said hunting, nonspecific recreation or sport. that was 11%. some said it was a family heirloom, 6%, or that it was related to their line of work, 5%. why do you own your firearm? harold, what do you think? caller: i think it is ridiculous that we as americans do not attempt to solve this problem. my feeling is we should have classifications of weapons. a tier system. a bb gun is not the same as a

machine gun or bazooka. i think the legislature or congress should regulate a weapon based on lethality. what caliber of round it fires in the number of rounds it can fire in a period of time. a low-level bb gun or single shot rifle, almost anybody should be able to buy one without much any background check or regulation. host: which of those do you have? caller: iona a pistol -- i own a pistol and 22 rifle. the pistol has a six. shot clip. . the rifle can hold up to 10. but that is not what i am concerned about for these mass

shootings. it is the ar type assault. we do not allow everybody to own a machine gun. certain officials can own one if they pass a background check and pay a licensing fee. host: digging into that term, assault rifle. what makes something an assault rifle? caller: any automatic weapon where you pull a trigger and a bullet comes out is an automatic weapon or semiautomatic, i should say. an automatic weapon you pull and you hold it and it continues to fire rounds. most automatic weapons are illegal. but even some semiautomatic where you can shoot as fast as you can clutch your finger needs to be controlled as a large magazine with a large caliber

shot. if you have a need and you are a specialized person for security or something like that, you have a need for that type of weapon. that is what you need to prove in order to own such a weapon. it is not just any 19-year-old or 21-year-old that wants to go into a gun shop and buy a weapon of mass destruction. host: thank you for the call. from melbourne, florida. the washington post story, their deep dive into the ar. they dig into the terminology. colt, the arms manufacturer, acquired the ar-15 patent and trademark from armor light in 1959. that expired, leaving companies to produce their own weapon referred to as ar style rifles while colt still holds the

trademark ar-15. it has become a ubiquitous term for a popular style of gas operated semiautomatic rifle. for that reason they use the broader term ar-15 in this series. that is the weapon that they found some 16 million americans own. when it comes to the manufacturing of ar-15 style rifles this chart showing the production of those rifles over time starting in 1990. as of today ar-15's account for 23.4% of all guns produced in 2020. this is from that deep dive from the washington post if you want to read more. david in dallas, georgia. what kind of weapon do you own and how many do you own? david, are you with us?

caller: correct. host: how many weapons do you own? what do you own them for? caller: i will own as many as i want to. host: are we talking 10? more than that? caller: you are asking the wrong question. you need to ask the question, how many weapons do criminals own? once you can get the weapons out of the criminal's hands i will consider taking them out of mine. host: when did you get your first weapon? how old were you? caller: 14. host: who taught you how to use it? caller: nobody but myself. host: there was a caller earlier saying we do not teach kids enough, we do not use education. we think education consult other problems but not firearms. what do you think? caller: there need to be safety courses. host: that was david in georgia. anthony in new york. you are next.

what type of weapon do you own? caller: i own some pistols and rifles. host: why do you own them? caller: well, for self-defense and sporting purposes. and because they are fun to use for recreation. but a caller earlier -- you were quoting fax like how many patent rifles were produced and it is kind of like the honda accord. the reason they are so popular is because people like them. they are easy to use. people use ar rifles because they are like any machine. they are easy to use, they are reliable, they are easy to maintain, they are easy to fix, there are a lot of parts available, and they are accurate. the look of them has nothing to

do with that. they are a reliable, accurate machine so why would you not want it? why would you own something that is hard to use, that has a heavy trigger pull, that is harder to be accurate with? they are just machines that are very adjustable. i could use it and then maybe my son, who is shorter than me, could move the stock or change it up and now they can use it for target practice. but when people say it is an assault rifle, that is like cook calling a -- that is like calling a vw beetle a porsche. you cannot turn it into a machine gun where you pull the trigger and now it is emptying the magazine. it is one pull, one shot.

like most hunting rifles. when somebody says they destroyed the meat, they cause terrible wounds, you cannot tell the difference between one bullet wound and the other. who ever put out that report is doing it for political reasons. bullet wounds, when they come into the er, you cannot tell what type of firearm it was. i don't know where you got that. host: how many bullet wounds have you seen in the er? caller: it has been a few years now. more when i was a resident and that was a while ago. but a fair number. you don't need a rifle or firearm to cause tragedy.

look what they did with box cutters on 9/11. look what they did with pressure cookers at the boston marathon. look what they did with fertilizer. host: we talked about the number of owners of ar-15-type rifles. the number of rifles stored across the country estimated at 20 million. more than 13.7 million have been manufactured by gun makers since the newtown massacre in late 2012 with sales generating $11 billion in revenue, according to a washington post analysis. at least two thirds of these guns have been made in the past decade in this country. asking gun owners to call in and why you own a firearm.

david in eureka, california. what do you own and why do you own it? caller: i own handguns, rifles and shotguns. and the guns are not the issue. people want the mass shootings to stop they need to look at the government. they are caused by the fbi. they had a program -- host: you think mass shootings are caused by the fbi? caller: yes, the federal government. they are forced by targeted individuals. they used to have a program -- host: we believe that there. bill lee in texas. billy in -- billy in texas. caller: i have one firearm.

i am speechless. i have a gun with six bullets. if you need one with more to protect you or your family, you need to call the calvary. you have people comparing box cutters to ar-15's. i don't understand that. i have 12 grandkids. i have six or seven different schools my kids go to and they are comparing box cutters to ar-15's. god bless america because we are in deep trouble. host: george in bristol, tennessee. caller: i only own one. it is an old woodman colt, magnum .22. these people, i think it is a macho thing. they will say anything to defend that these people that can

afford it, sports shooting and things like that, i guess that is all right. but my dad was 97 when he died. he had an hunting accident in the mountains and he never went hunting again. did not care about guns in no kind of way. i have a .22 rifle and he told me, never point that thing in someone's direction. i respected that. but my sister's boyfriend, when i was 13-years-old, he left a german luger, a nine millimeter and a .45 for me to watch. i took those of the holler and i shot them but i was careful with those things. guns are not toys and with all my heart i think the more guns

you got, the more this is going to happen. you look over in australia what happened. that should be enough to tell people. that is all i have to say. host: that was george in tennessee. coming up on 7:30 and we are talking to gun owners only. the question is, why do you own a firearm and what you use it for? having this conversation in the wake of the nation's 130th mass shooting of 2023, according to the gun violence archive. that tragedy in nashville. one lawmaker who was asked about his response yesterday is a lawmaker that survived a mass shooting that happened to him. steve scalise, these were his comments yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> the first thing in any

tragedy is i pray. i pray for the victims, i pray for their families, i get angry when i see people trying to politicize it for their own agenda. especially when we do not know the facts. it looks like the shooter originally went to another school that had stronger security and ultimately went to the school. let's get the facts and work to see if there is something we can do to help secure schools. we have talked about things that we can do and it seems like on the others, they just want to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. they talked about taking guns away from law-abiding citizens and that is not the answer. why don't we keep those families in our prayers and see if there were things that were missed along the way. we talked about the need to improve mental health in this country and that has been a driver of a lot of these shootings. host: house majority leader

steve scalise on capitol hill. this is mark in cloverdale, indiana. caller: good morning. i am 75-years-old. i used to always own a firearm. i had a firearm when i was a kid at 16 years of age. we carried them to school and had them in the back windows of our trucks. if somebody came in to try and shoot our friends, we would cut them in half with our shotguns and rifles. we are back to that same situation now. we have the same perverts that want to kill our little christian kids. in our church we have about 20 people but we have four guys that carry nine millimeters pistols every sunday morning, sunday night, wednesday night so we are protected.

i have a firearm myself because this world is becoming more wicked and people are just coming in and trying to kill christians. i believe this starts with the democratic party. we have so many people that are anti-christian. so many people that we need to fear. caller: scott in dallas, texas. what kind of guns do you own and how many do you own? caller: i own three. i own an over and under shotgun. i own a smith & wesson revolver and a beretta 9mm. host: what do you use them for? caller: my over and under shotgun -- when i was in college back in the 1970's it was part

of a college program. i took up skeet shooting and rather enjoyed it. i am not a hunter, i do not enjoy it, but i do use the shotgun for sport occasionally. i really cannot now because i am undergoing cancer treatment and i don't have the energy to get out and about. the reason why i own my pistols is because of self protection. it seems since i have been dealing with health issues i have had lots of issues with people coming to my door at night and pounding on the door. a couple of months ago at 9:00 at night some person was banging on my front door and i called 911. when they answered they said, did you answer the door? of course not. i do not want to accelerate the situation. please send the police.

when i had pistols it was for target shooting and i have to say now, considering what is going on, those are for protection. host: rich in greensburg, pennsylvania. how many weapons do you own and what do you use them for? caller: i have a colt le 6920 which most people would say is an ar. i have a remington magnum. a couple of hunting rifles and a number of handguns. i am not a hunter. i enjoy sports shooting. there is something about shooting the 6920. it is such a perfectly balanced weapon and has no recoil. you can keep the weapon on target. one reason i got into guns was i have three kids and i really wanted my sons -- my daughter

did not get into it as much -- but i wanted them to be able to disarm a weapon. you often hear about shootings at a high school party or something like that where some but he has a gun. i wanted them to know how to disarm a firearm, on load it -- unload it and clear the breach. host: i showed a picture of the 6920. let me know if that is the weapon you own. it will take a couple of seconds but i want to get your thoughts as that is happening. 10 of the 17 deadliest mass killings in the u.s. since 2012 have involved ar-15-type weapons. i wonder your thought on that and why keeps showing up. caller: i think most of them

hold 30 rounds. you can discharge it quickly. it does have a bullet that causes damage. you know, mine has only been used at an outdoor range under my supervision and my boys have used it. that is the only reason i have it. host: if it keeps showing up, is there something we should be doing about it? is there a way to limit the destruction caused by it? there have been calls to lower magazine capacity. what could help? caller: i guess if you got rid of the weapon that would help, but here is where i have the issue. do we let a couple of bad apples

-- you said some 100 shootings out of a population of, what, 350 million? host: we are at our 130th mass shooting of 2023. in terms of number of victims i can get the number but i was going on mass shootings alone. caller: the perpetrators are a very tiny percentage of the population. where do you balance the rights given to us by the constitution versus these people. i don't know if you take the rights of all of these people because 180 people shot people this year. i do not know what the answer is. host: this was the 89th shooting on a k-12 school grounds in 2023. an average of one every day,

according to the k-12 school shooting database. caller: i don't know. i certainly do not have that mindset. it is easy to say we have to look at mental health or whatever. i do not know that gets it done. i do not know what the answer is. it seems to be a more modern phenomenon, does it not? i remember when i was in school 35 years ago that we ever worried about someone coming into the front doors of the school armed heavily and starting shooting people. host: now it is a phenomenon that is prayed about on the opening of the floor of the united states senate. that is what happened yesterday. this is senate chaplain barry black. his opening prayer yesterday

before senators began work for the day. [video clip] >> lord, when babies die at a church school it is time for us to move beyond thoughts and prayers. remind our lawmakers of the words of the british statesmen edmund burke. "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." lord, deliver our senators from the paralysis of analysis that waits for the miraculous. use them to battle the demonic

forces that seek to engulf us. we pray in your powerful name, a men. host: chaplain barry black yesterday before the opening of the senate for the day. the senate back today at 10:00 a.m. eastern and the house in at 10:00 a.m. eastern. you can watch them on c-span2 and c-span, respectively. about 20 minutes left in the segment. we are talking to gun owners only. while you own a firearm is the question. leland in mississippi. how many do you own and what you own them for? minnesota, this is lester. good morning. caller: morning. i cannot hear you. say something. host: how many weapons do you

own and what do you use them for? caller: i have quite a few. i use them mostly for hunting and sport shooting. host: what are your thoughts on firearm laws in this country? caller: you go back 60 or 70 years, we did not have this kind of rhetoric coming from the democrat party. this has to be creating some kind of hatred in our society. you could take a gun to school and you did not have to fear a person shooting somebody. i never heard of a queer until i was in the navy. host: this is john in watson,

california. caller: good morning. you keep bringing up this ar-15 and assault rifles. do you know that less americans are killed by what you call assault rifles van just about any other common type of gun? if you were to take scotty of the enterprise and beam every assault weapon up, you would not put a dent in deaths. this is a scam because it looks scary and you can bring it up like a strawman and you can get the nose of the gun grabbing camel under the second amendment. you want to disarm people. even your question is condescending and snobish. how many guns do you have? i do not have the right to own it? how about you as comely socks i

have? how about you ask what kind of knives i used to cut my meet? what kind of toilet paper i have. do you listen to yourself? host: on handguns and the number of handguns involved in deaths and firearm incidents, from the same story we have been referring to that focused on the ar-15, handguns are involved in the bulk of homicides, responsible for 90% of the deaths in cases where details are available compared with less than 5% for rifles. they note in that story as they also note the prevalence of ar-15's and how much they have gone up, especially in the wake of incidents like school shootings. sales stored in the run-up to the election in 2008 and after the mass killing in connecticut.

today some 20 million ar's are stored and owned by americans around the countries. y. that came out before the shooting in nashville. it is the focus of a several page spread in the washington post. robert in virginia, you are next. caller: good morning. the reason i have guns is -- i do not hunt -- but if i ever do need to, i have the guns. the other is to protect my family. i can say it is also to protect my fellow citizens from people like donald trump and the maga movements. they are trying to turn this into a communist country. thank you. host: the gala in maryland, you are next -- miguel in maryland, you are next.

caller: i have a few guns. handgun and rifle, shotgun. i use the rifle for hunting and the shotgun and handgun for home protection. i'm not worried about that much. i think these kind of things with these mass shootings, especially when you quoted the fbi statistics, i do not trust them. they had people at the january riot in d.c. and those guys never got indicted. they live. the fbi are an over bloated agency that has no checks and balances. atf is the same way. do you think this is a problem?

caller: people are violent. if you put a gun in anyone's hands, they are going to do something violent. you cannot be safe all the time. you are going to have love and hate wherever you go. it does not matter what color they are. they have love and hate in them. what side you act on makes you the person you are. host: this is greg in alexandria, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. you made reference to gun laws and i will point out to your listeners that these guns used in nashville were not legally purchased. there is a question on the federal form that asks if you are mentally defective or being treated for mental illness. obviously, the buyer answered no.

she lied and these were not a legal purchase. i have not heard about the caltech sub 2000. are you aware of what that is? host: what is that? caller: that is the firearm that was used. we are obsessing about ar's and that was not the primary weapon this perpetrator was carrying. that is a nine millimeter rifle. it is kind of a backpack gun. they are not terribly lethal and yet, look at the results. if we eliminate all the ar's, we would be having a conversation about sub 2000's or what other brand or model that would suddenly become popular and the most likely to be used by maniacs. let's put the ar thing aside. it's popular because it is what

it is. if we eliminate the honda civic, how many fewer traffic accidents with there be? the most glaring -- i think i heard your president make some statements and among them i counted six or seven lies. you know, there is a lot of misinformation about this stuff and people are eating it up. the last thing i will say is who needs an ar? let's go back about two years and one month and ask the ukrainians who needs an ar. host: that was greg in alexandria, virginia. the front page of the new york times. the authorities investigating this incident say the shooter bought the seven firearms legally. three were carried into the nashville school where that

shooting happened. one an ar style weapon. we are talking to gun owners only in the wake of this conversation about gun laws in this country. asking why do you own a firearm? what do you use it for? what you think about gun laws? this is john in eureka, california. caller: are you there? host: yes, sir. caller: hi. guns have been around for hundreds of years. people have been around for thousands or millions depending on who you ask. the mass shooting thing has only been a problem the last 25 years. obviously, it is not guns or crazy people that are the problem. the problem is our government. the fbi was proven to have a program of harassment and intimidation of people in the 1970's. it was investigated by the church commission. they proved that they were

tormenting people. that program has merged with a cia program. host: we will hold off on the conspiracy theories. steve in florida, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to say that guns are needed for protection when you go out of your home. that is what they are used for. i witnessed a robbery in progress and i had the shot but i was not authorized to take them. i saw what happened to this old lady when he knocked her down. i have worked at sports facilities, body guard work, so i know about guns. i know in my neighborhood they

just stole a rolls-royce worth millions. guns are important for people to have on the because you never know what is going to happen, who is going to go crazy. i have seen yelling incidents in different department stores. you have got to be prepared. i am an eagle scout and that is my motto, be prepared. i do that with a gun and very responsible with it. a lot of times i would like to have used it but i have a lot of restraint. i think the way to get rid of criminals is to eradicate them, like they did to that woman in the school. i live five miles from parkland. the reason that shooting happened was because there was no personnel to stop him from coming into the exit of the school to gain access. you need people and you need to pay money.

parkland is a rich community. they can afford to have a person to guard the exit when the kids are leaving so nobody goes into the school. that could have been avoided. they do not want to spend the money. i have heard people say they spend money on sports programs. they need to bring down the schools like a bank. children are more important than money and they need to be protected and that is what happens. host: on spending the money, it was senator marsha blackburn of tennessee who yesterday called for spending money to increase school security. here is what she had to say. [video clip] >> violence against children is just one of the most heinous crimes. the families at covenant school, i grieve for what they are going through.

we have to work to protect children at school and that means increasing security. i have and i have had legislation that would allow for training and hiring of veterans and law enforcement officials to serve as school safety officers and to help protect our schools. it is time for us to pass that and keep our children safe. host: that tennessee republican senator marsha blackburn yesterday. we are talking to gun owners only. this is monte in texas. caller: i have them for hunting and some of them are just part of world history. i have a world war ii rifle owned by a japanese soldier. the problem with guns as a mental health problem. i am a strange bird. i live in the middle of the

desert. i believe the second amendment is important. but i also believe this is a mental health issue. we need socialized medicine in america. this is a mental health issue. we need to socialize medicine. you focused on mass shootings today but let's look at chicago, which is racked by gun violence nightly. i would like somebody to compare the statistics between chicago and school shootings. i do not hear any cry from the democrats about going into the urban areas of america trying to disarm them. i do not see people pointing out the fact the culture of violence that is glorified in certain inner cities by certain music and people. the ar-15's, the draco, those are lauded in rap songs but nobody is complaining. host: when you say you believe in the first part and the second

part of the second amendment. what do you mean? caller: the first part guarantees that a citizen can secure his home with any weapon he sees fit as long as he is rational. people in switzerland and israel part of the militia own fully automatic weapons in their house. there should be regulations but i would like to point out the critics of the atf need to know that the national firearms act has one of the best track record in the world. there are people in america with fully automatic weapons and there are less than half a dozen crimes committed with these weapons. not that the atf does not need oversight and regulation. but to try to turn them into an enemy of the average citizen is not true. the atf are not your enemy. there may be politicians that are your enemy but nobody risking their life for america

is your enemy. host: jim in pennsylvania, good morning. how many weapons do you own and what you own them for? caller: i probably have around 10 but i use them for hunting. i don't hunt anymore. as far as the guns, i thought we should do what marjorie taylor greene said. arm all the kids in school so they can protect themselves. everybody in the country should have a gun on them all the time. i know that sounds stupid but that is what the republican nuts want. host: richard in oceanside, california. good morning. caller: good morning. what a topic. i have about 10. most of them are trapped shooting shotguns, competing in competitions. i have one bolt action rifle and

two revolvers. i have no semiautomatic weapons. i do not need them. now we have these things called ghost guns. it is crazy what is going on. they need to seriously control the firearms in this country and take them away from a lot of people. all ar-15's and such, these assault type weapons. i live next to the marine base. i have friends around the area. they do not talk about this subject because they get wound up but we need to stop this problem. you know what they told us because of the nuclear deal? they said when the siren goes off -- not related to guns -- but things were different. they told us if the warning goes off, we were to get under our desk and cover your eyes and did not look at the windows because the flash will blind you.

if you are close enough to see one of those, you do not have to worry about being blinded. host: a few of your comments via social media. pamela saying, we have a shotgun, a deer rifle and a .22 to kill rats and rabbits. we would never own an ar-15. bill in missouri, on 65-years-old and for most of my life never owned any firearms. we never condemned guns until our home was broken into. the clip holds 12 rounds for protection of my wife and home. dave in orlando, i'm a veteran. background checks are not tough enough. they let people who should not buy guns buy them. the nra and the sellers do not care. one more from twitter, there are many reasons to own a firearm from hunting to self-defense. the second amendment does not require a reason. it is to establish some level of

parity between the citizens and government. that is why the left hates it so. time for one more phone call. this is paul in chesapeake, virginia. what do you own and why do you own it? caller: i own a shotgun and a black powder rifle. the black powder rifle can be used for live fire but i use it for reenacting. the shotgun i inherited. i grew up with it with my father who hunted and we hunted just about every weekend. they were bold action -- bol actiont. people have to understand that a semiautomatic weapon is one pull of the trigger, one shot.

that is how it works. one of the questions you asked was who taught me. my father. he did not give us our first gun , myself and my brother, he did not give us our first guns until we were 12 or 13-years-old. took us out. we went by the lake and he set up some cans and he showed us the damage that a rifle or shotgun could do. before we got a hunting license and we were living in upstate new york at the time, you were to get a hunting license, you were required to go to a gun range and present a safety certificate. i do not know they so do that.

-- i do not know if they still do that. i only owned the shotgun now because i inherited from my father and it is one of the first ever issued browning 16 gauge, a sweet 16. host: i'm running short on time. you talk about reenacting in virginia, do you write -- reenact revolutionary war? caller: civil war, yes. host: thank you for telling us about your family. that is our last call in the first segment of the "washington journal" stick around two more hours to go. up next, house republican set vote this week on a sweeping energy bill. we took a closer look at the

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when he documentaries online at studentcam.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: jeremy dillon back at our desk to talk about major energy and built house republicans are hoping to pass this week. it is hr one there calling it the lower energy cost act. guest: this is a massive energy package because it is republican and eight -- main priority this year. but it does is two things, i give us list at this the biden administration's energy policies and house republicans opening bid in permitting process negotiations that oppose the happened this year. both parties generally agree overhaul is needed to change how the federal government issues permits in infrastructure for pipeline, trust mission line. house republicans are taking it off this year with a package but

her agnosia streamline permitting process -- which helps to streamline a permitting process to do reviews of these projects that are passed in environmental group see it as a getting of landmark environment to laws. -- and we -- environmental laws. the need to be done within two years under supervision's and a neat tinted vein -- intervene in the edition was it is issued. environmental groups see provisions as a way to make their voices heard and how permits are getting issued and has become a big way to use as in pipeline in cases like the xo pipeline. that is a big provision. this bill mandates on public

land. it has been one of the biggest grievances against the biden administration who came in and put it a moratorium on. this comes in and mandates more sales and helps jumpstart with ac -- what they see as a drop in energy crisis as a result of the russian invasion of ukraine. host: the opening bid for permitting reform is perhaps the more important part of this. is that because this is not necessarily have a legislative text or a democratically controlled senate and a white house with joe biden as president? guest: the white house has issued a veto threat against this and because there is provisions in here that would repeal major provisions of the inflation reduction act that passed last year, the bill would remove what is called a fee

applied to oil and gas companies for excess in the atmosphere. it also will remove $27 billion past advocating for a greenbank which is to help jumpstart the employment of renewable energy across the country. this was a big democratic priority as well, a way to jumpstart the market to get more renewable energy. host: these are the energy provisions there were a part of the inflation reduction act included several different health care provisions. guest: house republicans are trying to relay back. president biden saying to threaten our ability to transition to the clean energy economy he is envisioning. host: for folks who watch the debate on the house floor on hr one debate, where are we going to see a final vote, what should they be looking for if they watch the debate?

how do you make them smarter viewers of what is going to happen on the floor? guest: there are 37 amendments. there were 170 filed through the process. this is republicans calling the structure role so they are limiting the amount of the bait on amendments that can happen -- debate on mm's that can happen. a major one happening today is an amendment from gary palmer of alabama limit the of energy's ability to enact efficiency standards for gas stoves. a really big, cultural were issued when earlier this year the consumer safety commission about a potential proposal about banning gas stoves due to their health effects that can happen -- have in homes. republicans have rebelled against this and overreach of federal government. they do not see it happening. gas stoves are a big consumer food. people love their gas stoves.

this will be a big issue. the sufficiency standards have potential to limit 50% of existing markets of gas those. -- gas stoves. right now, republicans feel confident about the bill passing but there are still outstanding issues that need to work through . northeastern republicans are worried about land offer they're close, recent headlines have shown marine life have washed up on the shore in new jersey and new york and local groups are blaming that on the increased activity in offshore wind in the area. the fisheries agency does not find that. they find a lot of these marine animals have been impacted blunt-force trauma and cause of death for these animals. it is a huge debate going on.

new jersey lawmakers and new york lawmakers want the government to study this more to get a better understanding of what the offer built on the close means -- offshore means for the local economy and marine life in the area. host: jeremy dillon joining us. we are talking about hr one, the energy package they'll be on the floor this week. it is a lower energy cost act. to call in to join the conversation. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. -- independents, 202-748-8002. of your wants us to go back to the leasing and loan cells here want to know what percent of existing oil leases on federal land versus public land? guest: i do not have the number off of my head. but a lot of oil and gas in this

company is on private land. there is a huge portion of it that does come from public land. what matters is for western states they draw oil to help pay for their state budget for local schools, local fire departments. having a lease put -- not having police cells put in the question of the budget going forward. that is with the lawmakers are worried about. in addition to economic activity in areas that are remote. the biden administration was say -- will say republicans are sitting on the leases and complaining they are not more sales but they're not developing leases they have. how true is that? guest: there is truth to that. the issue with a bid on it and wait until the perfect time to drill. i think there's lots of action in private development that is not require as much federal permitting or intervention that

is attractive. you see this in the basin that has become the world's largest oil and gas supply, or developers are able to pull out of that easily without having problems with infrastructure and moving it but the actual drilling more easy than on public land. host: sergio from florida, public and. good morning. caller: good morning, john. good morning, jeremy. i have a couple of questions. why are republicans repelling on the democratic mandate, particularly it is kind of confusing to me. also, i would like to see more democrats and republicans come

together with one plan on energy and solar. i -- why are they doing that together as well? host: methane is the first question. guest: methane was negotiated as part of the reconciliation package. democrats say they worked with some of the producers of oil and gas to develop a program that works for them as a way to pay tax on the release of methane but it also included hundreds of millions of dollars in grants to oil and gas operators to help improve the infrastructure to make it more sealed make sure the methane does not escape. republicans are opposed to any tax on methane. they think is not a problem the government should be dealing with. it should be left to the private industry. private industry does have incentives to capture the methane because every methane

cost them money. it could be sold to the market. by they want to repel it -- why they want to repel that it is a program that cost billions of dollars for operators and oil and gas operators have suggested it could affect their ability to keep operating. host: the other question on renewables. he is talking solar but is there anything in the package on the issue of renewables? guest: republicans have been pitching this as a proposal that should help renewables in addition they include provisions to streamline the mining on federal lands for critical minerals that are important for production and manufacturing of solar panels and windmills. also, the overall -- overhaul of the system should help nobles as

well which is white democrats are interested in engaging on permitting because the need to speed up the time it takes for renewable energy and disposition lines under the grade. host: on permitting and leasing negotiation, is there a timeline when that is going to happen? are we expecting a separate bipartisan bill on that at some point? guest: this is the opening pitch by house republicans, both senate democrats and rejecting this bill and the white house researching this bill, suggests there interested in finding a bipartisan cover on this. republicans may want something attached to the debt ceiling as part of their demand. may put :00 on one -- may put a clock on how and when it can get done. it is a complicated issue that has taken decades to work through. host: the recent history of permitting reform and other efforts, why has it not happened to this point? guest: it has been partisan.

one reason is that republicans have been focus on unleashing energy infrastructure that focuses on fossil fuels, pipelines. democrats have been more focus on environmental protections and allies have pressed them to avoid caging the laws are gunning them in a way that can affect the ability to protect endangered species or wildland. it has been a long time we are starting to see eagerness on both sides to find a compromise. host: stephen in michigan, why are republicans wasting time on the build of is dead on arrival? if by some miracle it passes, the president would veto it saying i do not want any more in lake michigan. guest: why they're doing this,

it is an exercise the house does. the need to pass a messaging bill so these are members but there also an opening bid on permitting. it is setting the stage. the bill may not pass in its current form but a part of it may inform the foundation of a compromise going forward. as much as it is opposed by democrats, it is an opening bid to get things going you need both sizes that a perimeter of how they view the debate. host: what is the american clean power association? guest: the largest trade group for renewable energy. a group that represented the wood lobby and energy storage lobby, they have come out and support to the permitting section of this bill because they are realizing you need reforms here to get more transmissions, you help get more renewable energy onto the grid. host: as an unusual thing? it is a part just this part of

the legislation? guest: yes. only renewable energy group that has come out and said that. in your are fascinated in the process -- energy groups are fascinated in this process. host: republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. carl skin new york, democratic. good morning. caller: good morning. listen carefully. republicans have said for a long time that we should be energy independent. we have been energy independent under the previous guy. there are ads that are run in upstate new york by the company

that owns quick gas station and they espouse under -- under adverse, oil is refined in america, and everything is good with the world. if that is the case, why are there prices as high or higher than competing companies in the area? someone explained that. if where energy independent, by taking oil, that quick fill takes our oil, refines it here, but the prices remain as high? can someone please expand that? guest: this is a big issue. republicans think energy independent is that we do this all here but oil markets are global markets is a no matter what happens -- so no matter

what happens we are at how the global market produces. u.s. is the largest producers of oil and gas in the world. we had the ability to swink marcus and 2020. united states has set a record oil and gas production according to nj administration. host: how much of we produce to export overseas? guest: a vast majority of it goes overseas because our refineries have a so use to import oil from other countries. prices are subject to global shocks no matter what happens. russian invasion of ukraine to the global shop to the markets -- global shock to the markets. coming out of the pandemic, has call shocks -- caused shocks. yet projecting prices are about to settle where they are for the next two years. it has been a confusing and hard

time for consumers. host: on any big bill there is a story about the cbo score, congressional budget office saying how much the adulation is going to cause. guest: house republicans wanted to -- everything a pass on the floor be paid for, offsetting cost for everything they do. the initial score they came out last week said that in the 10 year budget timeframe the budget would -- the bill would increase the budget by $10.3 billion of the deficit. that's is not what republicans expected to see. a lot of that is attributed to changes they are pitching in the bill that would change the percent of revenue that states get from offshore oil and brain activity. republicans introduce an amendment and the members that will be considered today that would tweak the sunset timeline for the revenue-sharing deal that would help get them back onto the pay for the bill.

host: how many amendments are they likely to go through? guest: 37. host: which one are you most interested in? guest: gas stove and one from robson's of perry related to section 115 on the clean air act which guess united states the ability to interact with international countries and international communities about potentially regulated what they deem to be pollution under endangerment finding. this may be the basis of the legal case for the epa to do some regulation. it may be all the way up to the supreme court. it is in international agreements and working together of pollution that way. it may be an a shot of what is the come on epa regulations linked to the greenhouse gas emissions. host: jeff in nebraska,

republican. caller: craig me if i am wrong -- correct me if i'm wrong. i'm pretty sure there are doing off of the majority because for the windmills are supposed to put in their, they are doing it because they were testing what is compounding where they try to find out where they're going to put these things in and it is going to be a solid rock. that is part of the problem where they have had over 16 wells end up on the shore of new jersey. number two, am i correct in saying they did the pipeline that went from russia to germany? i'm pretty sure we did that. the president and over he had do it and update ton of stuff in it

-- and that put a ton of stuff in our atmosphere. you are saying, where the biggest salesman of all you in the world. why is the president and being our reserve -- emptying our reserve? host: you bring up a couple of issues on the pipeline and the damage from the pipeline. i saw the sort you are referring to. you could perhaps -- perhaps ukraine was responsible. i'm not sure that has been determined. you want to talk about the whales and oil reserves. guest: the construction is similar to offshore oil rigs. to do that need to do seismic testing involving sound waves that go out there. sound does affect wells and has ability to affect wells. noah has not determined that has affect right now.

we do not know the cause just yet of why these whales are dying. there are lots of things at play. the changing ocean ecosystem to be related. it could be related to offshore wind. they are investigating and it is one of the things house republicans are interested in getting to the bottom of. there is an amendment pending on the bill that would direct the government office to launch a report to the problem. host: bill in albany, new york. republican. good morning. caller: thank you. my question is, is also confusing listening today because what i understood correctly, when the new administration came in, they reverse -- we were producing are on oil and refining it cleanly here in the u.s. and

then was not stopped by the bite in the administration -- without stop by the biden administration? we cannot find our own oil. -- refine our own oil and that is why the prices of gas went up? the gas prices went up because we had to get gas from overseas and overseas refineries. it sounds like today but i'm hearing is that we are still refining and producing our own energy. i do not know the cost will be up because it was 2.20 and now it is almost 3.40 a gallon. guest: to point out the 2.20 number it was at the height of the pandemic. at the start of march 2020, oil prices went negative because there were such a glut of oil

resulting from the initial stage of the pandemic and the overproduction. the prices and the production have ramped up. despite the united states thinking we can produce, it is the global market and affected by price shocks happening across the world. host: in the senate are we looking at a major energy bill coming up down the road? guest: to be determined. they are interested on the permitting side of this through the infrastructure law last year and the inflation reduction act. they have invested hundreds of billions of dollars for the bite in the administration to implement clean energy deployment across the grid. a lot more this year will be focused on the mentation of those and oversight of where the money is being spent. host: joanne in mississippi.

good morning. caller: good morning. i'm curious why we are taking and cutting down trees like they did in the amazon. it's probably a large part of our climate problem. you are cutting down trees. you're going to put in solar panels. you tell me where bees are going to goes to pollinate our fruits and vegetables? where are the bar is going to land? it makes no sense. it is backwards. thank you. guest: cutting down trees is a huge problem. amazon has been a focus for lawmakers as they try to influence and protect. amazon is considered one of the carbon interest of the world. using international diplomacy to influence brazil to limit

cutting down trees is important. the think about solar panels as they need to go on large tracts of land. part of this bill is helping to streamline the process to get them built on the land. a part of the bill is what democrats are hoping to do in negotiating the permitting process to connect the solar panels that are on remote land, wherever they may be, the transmission line so that clean energy can get to the metropolitan area. host: david in virginia. democratic. good morning. caller: good morning. i watch the stock market a couple hours every morning and they had the ceos on their from exxon, bp, shell and we only have one stock market on wall street and that is on cnbc.

they all tell you -- how is a barrel of all you priced, if price is not with the global market will bear and you -- and who controls that is saudi arabia, opec. i followed opec for 30 years. stock market announce after the second quarter of profits, their american oil companies had the largest tax flow in the history of the american oil market. that is 36% of the oilwell still capped off that they kept off during the pandemic. if the ceo of an oil company and the board of directors are profits on the table because a shortage of oil to me is a joke.

host: we can and we have and we will do again and attire segment on how i gallon of gas is price . guest: this is what house democrats are advocating that big oil is having his best year ever. their progress through the roof and there are two things in the public and bill of being an oil, it is doing everything the oil and gas companies want. the streamlining of approval of oil on the gas wells and things like that. they're doing the bidding of big oil. this is what democrats are accusing and one of the big reasons majority leader chuck schumer is opposing and called it dead on arrival in the senate. host: busy day ahead for jimmy dylan and his colleagues -- jeremy dylan and his colleagues.

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there are parents who are afraid to send their kids to school and kids were afraid to go to school. this is a uniquely american epidemic. folks who live in other countries, industrialized countries look at america as a war zone. i do not think we can call ourselves the land of the free and home of the brave when we are conscripting our children to live this way and politicians do not have the character or bravery to make a difference on this. because stronger gun laws save lives and guess what the vast majority of americans want them enacted. when i say we do not have to live this way, i mean that. people who are beholden to the gun industry are standing in the way of protecting our kids. we need to make this an issue that is top priority and we can fix this with stronger laws.

host: the investigation at the company's still ongoing. what he does have you learned so far that stands out to you? guest: the interview of the parent who said they tried to remove guns from their daughter who had been struggling with mental health issues and thought they had removed all of them. that comes to mind because they live in a state, tennessee, the has not enacted a whole host of gun laws that could potentially help here. one of them is an extreme risk protection law. 19 states and the district of columbia have those laws and they enable family members, in some states, and law enforcement in all states to remove guns to an individual who is at risk to themselves and others. states like tennessee are

depriving key tools to be used to stop this kind of carnage and i find that deeply troubling. host: extreme risk protection laws, a rep like law? -- red flag law? guest: yes. and let's consider statements like yesterday on the republican side of the ledger saying there's nothing we can do yet they are coming from states that are interested in banning books but not assault weapons being used to kill our children. should not be that our children in america have to be braver than our politicians to survive. it is not right. host: what is a stabilizing brace? guest: a stabilizing brace as a tool that can be added to a certain kind of firearm. there were designed for individuals who had certain kind of handicaps in their grip of

the gun. the stabilizing brace, the reason we are talking about this is it is asserted, i thought do not have final information, that the shooter use a stabilizing brace. it is an apparatus that is more highly regulated and congress was supposed to be having a hearing to determine whether to change the regulation to rescind the regulation around a braces but that got canceled after the shooting. host: what legislative do you see for any other issues where brought up already, whether it is red flag laws or stabilizing braces? guest: on the stabilizing brace issue we need stronger

regulation, not weaker regulation. we have that so i encourage congress not to resend that role. it took a long time to put it together and it is not the direction we should go. i feel good about extreme risk laws and even better because the bipartisan act that passed last year signed into law by president biden provide significant funding to states to incident them -- tessa devised them to pass their own version of the law and for states that have them in effect funding to train and implement them because laws are only as good as the knowledge of those laws. i want an assault weapons ban pass. i won't regulation of high-capacity magazines. i want the brady law to be expanded. i'm not sure the house of representatives is prepared to do that, but i know the people of america want that to happen

and there are those are just some of the solutions i do need to be put forward. i am proud of this president for the number of executive actions he has taken with the inaction of congress. as he said, there's only so much love he can do. congress has to act. host: let me invite viewers to enjoy the conversation talking with kris brown the president of brady. republicans 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. gary in new hampshire. democratic. you are on. caller: it is just a shame and discuss think we have to keep having this conversation. especially when our political leaders refuse to do something about it. they have the power to do something about it, to introduce legislation to change this trajectory. yes, they did do something last year but it is only one, more

needs to be done. the congressman who made the remark we are not going to do anything, i encourage the people of tennessee to demand a recall. get these people out of office that refuse to do their job. these children should not be slaughtered. i want everybody in congress to picture what it is like have to bury your child. no parent in civilized society should ever have to bury their children. this country is ashamed. it is a shame that is going on. congress needs to step up to the plate and do something about this to change this trajectory. host: kris brown. guest: i completely agree. thank you for the call. i think it is hard to

internalize how painful this is in america today. parents who are fearful, individuals who are afraid to go out into public spaces, because so many of those places have been subject to mass shootings. that is why i did say we do not have to live this way and i agree we have to hold politicians to account who get up, elected, and say there's nothing to be done about this issue. of course, they have sold powers to do something about this issue and we know gun laws work. all the studies show states with stronger gun laws have a reduction in deaths and injury from gun violets. it is a fact. we need to move past this idea that it is ok for politicians to say thoughts and prayers after mass shooting when they have

about -- power to fix it. host: the tennessee congressman the caller was deferring to was speaking to abc news. let me play viewers that clip. [video clip] >> precious little kids lost their lives. and the shooter lost their life to. it is a horrible situation. were not going to fix it. criminals are going to be criminals. he told me, somebody want to take you out and does not mind losing their life, there's not a lot you can do about it. >> do you think there is any role for congress to play in reaction to this tragedy? this is your state now but it has happened every other state. >> it is about -- it is throughout america. it is not a matter of the caller of your skin. i do not see any role role we

can do other than mess things up because of the situation. i do not think a criminals going to stop. you can print them out on the computer now. i do not think you're going to stop the gun violence. yet change -- you have to change people's heart. as a christian, i think we need revival in this country. our ministers in our communities need to come together and start reading about love from the bible, within the bible. >> i'm idealistic. host: on those comments from -- recorded by abc news. guest: i do not have any words for that. the man is elected to the united states house of representatives, a body that today could expand the brady law to ensure no

person who we all agree should not have easy access to a gun has one. he is from a state that is not expanded the brady law. as he has stayed, someone can go online and try to buy an assault weapon with other background check and there'll be no law that says you cant do that. it is ridiculous what he is saying. it is against what it means to an elected official. you are likely to make laws. the same logic -- what i find vexing because it is so illogical is the idea that laws did not work. why be in congress? we have speed limits in this country. but we were losing people to automobiles fatalities. now guys are the number one killer's -- now that guns are the number one killer. when we were losing record

people to automobiles fatalities, we do not say, people are just going to drive fast we cannot stop that. we said we are going to have federal speed limits. we are going to have seatbelts, airbags, guards on the highway. we did everything we could possible to save lives and there are millions of people alive today because of that. that program worked. we reduce automobile fatalities significantly and injury. we need to do the same thing. we do it for everything else in our country except firearms. it is about the guns. it is about the guns. no other civilized country allows is citizens, his kids to live this way and we can do something. host: from florida, this is lawrence. independent. caller: good morning. i want to say america wake up in the sense that we have a people

problem. if you put a gun in front of you and you do not put your hand on it, it is not going to do anything to anybody period. we have a people problem. we need to take care of our people more so than anybody else because other countries is not going to take care of our problem. i agree with improving of the laws but we have a people problem. we have a problem with the violent shows continuously in the violent games for the kids continuously. it is polluting. does things to -- it does things to one's mind. guest: i have sympathy for that. i have two daughters, 21 and 19. i think our culture has become more violent over the years but we do not have more videogame

access at more entertainment that is potentially violent than any other industrialized country. we have a lot more gun violence. we have to focus on the source of the problem and fix that if you want to reduce gun violence meaningfully. host: west virginia, lloyd is a republican. good morning. caller: hello. i am lloyd. i would like to say it is not much a gun problem as it is a drug problem. people get on drugs and they act like lunatics. if you do something about the drugs, maybe you will take care of the gun problem. guest: again, i'm sympathetic. i think with opioids and other

things we do have a drug problem in this country and i think that needs to be address. there is no linkage to that drug problem necessarily gun violence. ultimately the issue we have is easy access to weapons of war things like assault weapons designed for the battlefield and have no role in civilian life and a system designed 25 plus years ago by gemma sarah brady that needs to be so we had the strongest -- fortify so we had the strong's protection so no one who should not have access to a gun has access to a gun. it is that simple. host: it might be helpful to remind viewers about the brady bill. guest: it was enacted by congress in 1993. jim and sarah brady worked for six years and there were seven votes to pass that law.

when it finally passed passed by unanimous consent in the senate. not a single u.s. senator voted against it. that set up the system on a national instance check system run by the fbi so whenever an individual go to a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer in the united states that dealer as a condition of being a licensee has to do a background check. they determine whether that person is allowed person or prohibited purchaser. those categories were set up in 1968 in the gun control act. people who have convictions are primitive purchasers and they will be denied. today the brady law in effect has stopped more than 4 million cells of guns to prohibited purchasers. host: when was the last time the brady law was fortified,

updated? guest: it is not been materially updated at the federal level since 1993 when it passed. there have tweaks along the way, including in the bipartisan save our communities act, but the kind of things we need to do, which is to ensure private sellers at gun shows and over the internet, we should not exist when jim and sarah were working on this, that those cells are equally subject to background checks. we have legislation that has been tending year after year in congress and the national rifle association and other groups are opposed to that. they oppose the brady law every step of the way. even though most of their members are fully supportive of that law. host: to kenosha, in maryland.

good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have two comments and a question. i found recently that there is an advisory for other countries when they are coming here to watch out because we are gun crazy. how does that make us feel as americans? my second comment, the media loves to mention mental health any chance that they get. ok, fine. i have anxiety, depression. let's invest in mental health for americans for people so that it is not a factor. it is not an excuse either way. my question is, i do not understand, maybe i am wrong. i think the right to bear arms

is not the right to take up arms to defend the country need to be not have it as a toy. correct me if i'm wrong. i will listen off-line. guest: thank you for your comments. i cannot agree more. i lived overseas for many years in switzerland and many people before they were planning trips and other nationalities would ask me, where should i go for i will not be shot and we have to understand as americans that is how other people from other countries think about us because they do not experience gun violence is there every day reality. we do. i completely agree with the comment around mental health. if you have a diagnosis mental illness, you are much more likely to be a victim of gun violence than a perpetrator. we cannot scapegoat them on

those who are experiencing, like most of us, the kinds of things that are everyday occurrence in reality because sometimes gun violence is self. all of us are sanctioned -- all of us are anxious. now, i am forgetting the question. host: the second amendment. guest: yes, the right to bear arms in the second is tied to the militia. it is not intended to facilitate. for 200 years and we never interpreted, even as individual right to bear arms. they only happen in the heller decision. i think that decision is wrong. a historical and inconsistent with our sounding as a nation for the second amendment was really enacted around state militias, the national guard and their access to firearms. i really think we need to relook at the words and history and

understand even in the founding of the colonies, people could be expected for how they kept their guns in their own homes. in the wild west, people talk about the wild west and most frontier towns, you had to check your gun with the sheriff before you enter the town. we have a rich history of gun regulation in this country recognizing things like guns and a large public places that they may not mix very well. we need to get back to that heritage and understand that as our heritage, not something manufactured by the national rifle association. host: five minutes left with kris brown of brady. mike is in akron, ohio. independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to make three points. i'm a retired schoolteacher, i taught math, size and history to

grades seven and eight. i am strong with logic and reasoning. i believe the second amendment should not be abolished but the last word should be change. the right to bear arms should not be abolished. my second point, the nra was certified, a general of the civil war, he fought for the union manatt for the confederacy. he began the nra is organization about gun safety and the defective use of guns as a weapon. during the civil war, you may recall a guided tour through georgia -- tour through a georgia. host: your question because we are running short on time. caller: there used to be, a few years ago a company that made guns were only the owner could

fire the gun. you bought the gun, they took your fingerprint so if someone took the gun, the nra stop that because that would stop -- reduce the sale of bullets. host: kris brown, on any of those points. guest: he is right on the last point. the nra, there has been efforts including as he like new jersey to mandate that only -- in new jersey that only guns in the state have to include smart gun technology so that when you pull the trigger, we try to operate the gun, it is a fingerprint and will only work with that particular owner. behind-the-scenes the nra did squash that effort and we have not had momentum in other states to move forward. why is it that on my iphone, for

example, i have a cold to make sure it is just me accessing it, and yet with firearms across the country we do not have a similar technology? the gun industry has showed it is self from any -- has showed it is self are many requirements that things happen and we have to ask ourselves why and change that. host: mike in kentucky. your own with kris brown of brady. that morning. good morning. if the gun laws work so well, like your guess is saying so, how come all the big cities in this country every weekend they have death after death but you do not ever hear about that on the news? guest: you do hear about it on the news, unfortunately. is he the bad shop of covid there was a 64% increase -- in

the backdrop of covid there was a 60 -- dixie 4% increase in gun sales. gun violets across this country is multifaceted. suicide is a growing part of this problem at 65%. if you have a loaded and a security gun in the home, you have three times increased likelihood of experiencing gun violence in that house. 76% of school shooters get their guns from a home. we had to think about this as a public health epidemic because that is what it is. we need stronger policies, one all americans want likes expanding the brady law and better enforcement of the law, that atm do its job and regulate, pay atf agents more and give them the right tools to be able to regulate the gun dealers across the country and and family fire, each of us on

guns making sure the guns are safely stored. that means we will save a lot of lives with that action. host:hris is president of brady and that is bradyunited.org. we will talk to you down the road. guest: thank you. host: we will be joined by republican congressman ralph norman of south carolina, a member of the financial services committee and that is the committee having a hearing involving bank regulators later this morning we will talk about this morning. we will talk about that but for 15 minutes, it is open forum. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 four republicans,

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bank regulators before the financial services committee and that is happening at 10 a.m. and we will show that as c-span.org and c-span now. a lot going on. stay with us to this program and -- us through this program and throughout the day. tom is a democrat. caller: i won't take much of your time but i watch you guys every day and i am going to put it out there. host: i want to hear what you have to say but can you turn your television down because it makes it here -- makes it easier to do that -- here you. caller: is that better. host: yes. caller: i lost my train of thought. how simple can it be -- from this day on, if you have the

right authorities, to push it and make it happen and it is not going to stop all the shootings and i don't see any way they can do that. but if, from this day on, or in the future, to get it done, you put a chip, a simple computer chip that cannot be removed and if it is, it sends an alarm to the federal department or the police department that that gun is on the move and not being properly handled. a chip from the manufacturer would give a law enforcement all the power they need to locate all assault rifles out there and if they are with a chip. i don't see where that would hurt the nra to do that and you

would have a constant awareness on where every assault weapon is in the u.s. host: that is tom and this is tony in maryland, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call and i wanted to comment on kris brown's position on strengthening laws we have. we have a legal problem that we are not applying justice or charging people with the crimes and keeping them in cart -- incarcerated. we have the two-tiered legal system. four people are treated differently than rich people and the great example with that, with control with the brady bill is hunter biden. he is not qualified to have a gun and he should not have been given done -- one. he legally applied for the gun

but also find information. it was not held accountable but you want to restrict rights for legal gun owners? we have a problem. need mandatory minimum sentences for people that buy guns illegally. host: this is joshua and maryland, oak grove. -- in maryland, oak grove. independent. caller: good morning. i was born and raised in missouri, hunting my whole life and i am pro-second amendment but there has to be a way to see things like this coming, like with -- people getting protective orders against someone with -- in your home who is violent. there has to be a way to tie that to criminal record so when these people get ran through,

even though they never committed a crime, they have shown -- predisposed to be violent. i don't see why people have a problem with that. host: joshua come up we were talking about red flag laws. kris brown talking about when he to expand those in states that don't have the -- wanting to expand those in states that don't have them. caller: that is a good idea and we have to start somewhere and people who show that they have a predisposition for violence, that is a red flag that needs to be taken into consideration. host: to bob as --valdez, in illinois. caller: write me if i am wrong but did -- correct to me if i am wrong -- correct me if i am wrong but didn't be obama administration, didn't he do an executive order to prevent

firearms from getting into the hands of people who are severely mental -- mentally ill, and for me, that says a lot about the gop who are coming out with gun violence happening in saying -- and saying " it is a mental health problem." they went against that program. host: john in fort dodge, iowa. it is our open forum. caller: good morning and i've have heard conversation about what makes an assault rifle an assault rifle. the one thing i have never heard anybody refer to or talk about is the speed at which you can reload one of those weapons. if a person has three of those clips that hold 10 or 20 rounds and they discharge all of those rounds in a second.

they can put a new clip in. with a hunting semi automatic rifles i grew up with, you had to reload a magazine through 82. it took up to 10 minutes to do that. now with these weapons. if you wanted to appease everyone in this situation, make it so those manufacturers build those rifles so -- the clip cannot be removed and you have to manually reload it. that is what is attracting to these crazies, because you can pop in another clip and pulled the trigger -- pull the trigger. host: independent. good morning. caller: i am calling to say we haven't seen nothing yet. you realize that every state in our country is loaded with drug cartels? they are out there hiring people to run the drugs.

this'll be a big problem and we will need to carry a firearm. also, these things that happen in new york, baltimore over the weekend and in the summer, it is drug-related with gangs. if they can abolish the gangs like mayors -- mayor adams of new york doesn't do, this would be over stop this is caused by our president and open borders -- over. this is caused by our president and open borders. caller: i watched on a pbs special about the war when mixing was our president -- when president nixon was our president and the only way that the vietnam was and it was people taking to the police -- to the streets. it starts in canton. i think unless all the grandmothers and mothers and fathers and people who care about sending children to

school, underarm, through magnetometers need to take to the streets as we did in the 70's and 60's. it ended the vietnam sooner but not before three of my friends were killed. the only way we can protect our children is if we stand up. talk is cheap. thank you. host: ben, ohio, republican. caller: good morning. host: can you say the name of the city or town? caller: waupaukconetta. host: i will remember that. caller: why don't the news channels in the last few shootings, why don't they talk about what type of person have

done that? they have been transgender people and what they need to do, they need to take this transgender stuff bear teaching kids and school about having the sex change in such a young age, take that back to school and go back and showed them the bible. and they need to sue the doctors and make them accountable because that deal happened in tennessee where the transgender person where their parents even said they have been fighting mental problems for years so we need to go back and teach the kids religion and quit worrying about taking the honest people's guns away from the because that is the way to protect ourselves. i understand they want you to lock your gun up but if someone breaks in your house, what do you do? state fair -- stay there at the

door and wait till i get my gun a lot? it doesn't work that way. you have to protect yourself. that was my comment. host: that is been in around -- ben in ohio. the republicans, independent and immigrants. -- democrats, call in. kevin mccarthy, the speaker trying to drag joe biden into the negotiation table on the issue of the debt limit. speaker mccarthy calling on joe biden to have a meeting on the debt ceiling and here are some of the comments. ♪ >> --[video clip] >> the president has misled the members of congress and the american public that he was going to negotiate and he has not done that. if you think you have to raise

the debt ceiling, there is not votes in the house to do that. if that is the case, schumer send one. we are in a worse economic situation because of the extreme bending democrats have done. the republicans have worked on a plane and we believe in limit and saving and growth. even joe manchin agrees with this. say if you have those -- that has not been spent, pull goes back, saving the taxpayers a lot of money and grow the economy with a lot of plans we have. there is a way we can get this done early which would help the economy instead of the things the president is trying to play. the budget has something to do with the debt ceiling. if you are talking about the debt ceiling, i could pass the budget tomorrow but that does not do anything to raise the

debt ceiling and we have $4 trillion in savings. the problem with the budget is that the president was late and we met more than a month before we produce the budget. let's get the debt ceiling gun -- done and stop playing games. host: that was yesterday on capitol hill and he reference chuck schumer -- referenced chuck schumer there and chuck schumer responding to speaker comments and here is the majority leader from yesterday. >> to date, speaker mccarthy has failed the united states congress behind a single proposal becca went to 18 volts -- single proposal that could win 218 votes. we are hearing a lot of u-turns from republicans in bouts. as far as the plan goes, the republican leadership has none. the speaker was asked about

specifics for his plan, all we get is crickets. republicans have been failing -- clearly. --whaling --flailing. the only thing missing is a real plan. you cannot pick a number out of the sky and say this is a plan. of course it is not. you can't just not put a number on the house and get it to pass. when speaker mccarthy points fingers at democrats, he is deflecting from problems he has in his home -- on conjures -- own congress. those who are maga right are pulling one way and those on the left pulls another way. if he comes to the president's office with no specific plans or details about what the republicans want, what will they talk about. the weather?

if the two speak down, the speaker has something to say because for three months, he is missing an initial plan that cannot unite 218 votes. we democrats have had a plan. pass it without hostagetaking. host: cap sumer -- chuck schumer in the senate and chuck schumer was talking about republican plans. one plan released from the freedom caucus bear, one -- talking about what should be cut over negotiations over the debt limit. one congressman will be joining us in 10 minutes. he will be taking your phone calls. stick around. it is open forum. this is mika, oakland park, pennsylvania. caller: i wanted to say there has been a lot of political

issues and divisiveness. one thing we can be unified on his in 2020, there is 60% support for legalizing -- 68 percent support for legalizing maryland -- marijuana. in 1962, it was 12%. there are very few issues across the country that hold well across parties. the time is right for bipartisan unity. legalize marijuana. host: oklahoma, democrat. good morning. caller: how are you doing today. host: doing well. caller: back when they started with guns in the old days, it seems like the republican party wants to put back to the 1800s where you walk down the street and shoot each other. that is not the way to go.

i only have one hundred two eats and now they have 100 bullets to eat humans and set of animals so this stuff has to -- has got to stop. who will stop it? host: this is gary, republican. caller: i think the only person to have a solution was chris rock when he said you should charge $5,000 of bullet and people will stop shooting each other all the time. my other thought is the way kids have been rooms from these video games, all they do is show blood and guts and they can't get no bullets. thank you for your day. host: lincoln, nebraska, john, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. the answer to the gun violence is simple. look at other countries. they are patching more regulation. there is licensing and hoops you

have to do to -- jump through to own a gun. i know this is america and it will be difficult for laws like that to be passed but mental health care is important. both parties need to come together on those issues on mental health care and the republicans can't find a way to regulate their own going -- gun loss --laws or protect their gun rights by passing laws. basically just taking responsibility for the laws they pass and i think the democrats will take over and pass them for them. host: from the opinion pages from usa today. " don't tell me it is too soon to talk about guns". " it was monday in america were there was another school shooting and children are dead.

plenty more people will be killed in gunfire because in the days -- in the days to -- come. the ship sailed several hundred mass shootings to go -- ago. i am at now. we will learn more on why a person decided to open fire at eight elementary school in nashville but we will --" anna, democrat. caller: i think as a christian and mom, it is heartbreaking to continue to hear lawmakers say their unwillingness to act in chrisman -- christian faith and i think that starts in seminaries where people are

taught to create idols out of guns and we need a reckoning in the christian community about jesus -- what jesus calls us to do. host: what do you mean by pastors are taught to be -- make idols out of guns? caller: the roots of teachings in the bible is to lay down towards. that is not to ensure everyone has access to guns and making it easy for us to perfect kate -- perpetrate crimes. we heard a clip earlier who was cooking his response and in his unwillingness to respond -- i want to shout out the moms who are flabbergasted and heartbroken. i was on a phone with people --

it is heartbreaking. we need -- parents are heartbroken and tired and i don't want to have it happen anymore and shirley those of us who grew up in shooting culture and own guns can make a few sacrifices for their babies. host: this is harry in louisiana. independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am a psychiatrist in louisiana. i consider myself to be an independent but i am a progressive leftist. i get so sick of hearing these reactionary conservatives talking about mental health as if there is -- in these vagaries, like, it is maddening.

having to listen to these people say, " it is an issue of mental health," and shooting down any chance our country has of humanely and effectively providing mental health care in the form of medicare for all plans. these proposals never stand a chance because of republican opposition and not to mention opposition within the democratic party, which is infuriating as well. in the wake of these tragedies, we have to stomach this and we have, in this particular tragedy, listening to the show today, i have heard -- i don't want to say countless but lord

knows how much transphobia rhetoric -- transphobic rhetoric that is sickening. i consider myself to be someone who views the world through a evidence-based lens, and there is no evidence that trans people are more violent or more mentally ill to anyone else -- than anyone else. we hear from equally reactionary positions from people about schools should be modeled after prisons. you want to send your children to a prison every day where they have cameras in every room and self locking door -- the kind of doors we have on psychiatric units so patients don't elope? lastly, i want to say the rhetoric of thoughts and prayers

has long since run out of any utility and i am sick of it. gen. mcconville: got your point -- host: got your point. teresa, a republican. caller: i would like to know, i haven't heard how we blame our government and the higher ups because back in the days, they out load -- outlawed machine guns. our governor -- government allowed the public to get military assault rifles and that is not right into blame everyone but our politicians, they are at fault. people have guns, have fun and people don't -- people that don't like them, don't be around them but don't push that stuff on each other when our government allowed the guns, military in the hands of the public. outlaw machine guns but allow you to have a result -- an old

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will look to learn why the executives took the bonuses the day of or the day before the collapse of the bank. why the regulators didn't pick up on the six violations on the afterwords >> svb -- on the svb bank. why the management was not held accountable far earlier when they held the emacs -- the earmarks. they had a withdrawal over $40 billion and put it in a bank. they put a lot of money in mortgage banks securities where they could not sell it without a loss. i let her questions to ask. -- a lot of questions to ask. host: we get a preview. this is the lead from the editorial board of the wall street journal wrapping up what happened in that hearing

yesterday. " uncertainty of politics is that the federal reserve will level except responsibility of any financial problem." " -- as he blames bankers and congress for silicon valley bank failure and this act is unbelievable," michael will be appearing in front of your committee at 10:00 a.m. caller: the problem -- guest: the problem is with claiming with the systemic loss, where is the stopping loss with anyone not guaranteed of the desk are they going to make it -- are they going to make it pull for the -- pulled her through -- full full duck to find -- rule through the fund?

why are they taking this position? will there be other bank failures, yes. we have banks that have concentrations of credit that will have to be looked at sooner than later and these two banks should have had regulators on them or so then -- more so band, they gave it a cursory glance. the warning signs were there and why as heads of the companies come up why they want held accountable, i don't know and that is questions we will ask. really, other banks, other ceos, of the risk managers will be held accountable and should be watching this. host: about the ftse --fdic, where do you think the line should be.

should it be more than $250,000 deposit -- a deposit? caller: that can be looked at -- guest: that can be looked at but to 50 was a number we looked at for a walk. -- 250,000 dollars was of number we looked at for a while. the warning signs were there with the citations that were issued. we were running into problems. interest rates had a lot of do -- to do with this but they were interested where firms that people put in there in the bank, 87% people at svb were uninsured. the regulatory aspect -- is what i'm going to be asking. host: this congressman will be

heading to be hearing directly after speaking with us. we will show that hearing on c-span.org and on the free c-span video app. to a different topic, this is the headline from the front page of the washington times. speaker mccarthy seeking unity on the gop budget cuts before that talks with -- debt talks were fighting -- with joe biden. what will you be asking for if the speaker and the president sit-down? caller: -- guest: we had over 504 cuts we submitted to the appropriations committee that identified that will be for anyone to see. the trajectory -- the spending issue that we have in this country has to be addressed now.

we cannot kick the can down the road. i don't expect anything from the biden administration. the budget didn't mean anything. he had $7 trillion to the budget in his deficit. the fact that he wants a clean debt discussion with no cuts won't happen. one of the concessions kevin mccarthy agreed to was a 10 year balance budget put to the trajectory spending downward and starting downward but unless the administration is willing, it will be a long summer. host: this is from the white house press secretary karine jean-pierre saying it is time for republicans to stop playing game and agreed to a debt ceiling bill. at they want to have a conversation about the nation's economic and fiscal future, they have to put out a budget as the

president has done to grow the economy and lower costs and reduce the deficit. your response? caller: wreaking havoc on the economy -- guest: wreaking havoc on the economy? who has done what. everything that they have done has been a train rate. we are going to take -- control of it and you will see the republican party getting together and we are starting -- people are tired of rapid spending -- rampant spending. one of the reasons that the 20 of us who held out the vote for our leadership because this is the headline issue, getting our financial stability in an order and you cannot keep going the way we have been going. we don't have an income problem. we have had record income for the federal government but it is

record spending that put us in this situation. afterwords ralph norman -- host: ralph norman is our guest. a member of the freedom congress and here are the phone lines. republicans, (202) 748-8000. democrats, (202) 748-8001. democrats --independence, (202) 748-8002. it will start with sandra in tennessee -- we will start with sandra in tennessee. caller: senator elizabeth warren forewarned this coming and when they had this last bailout, they did not have the strict regulations to monitor the bankers and the ceos weakening millions of dollars of bonuses and i believe charity begins without -- with home.

there are too many people who cannot put a roof over their head and don't have a sustainable left --income. there isn't enough medicare for people with so illness and i think the biden administration saved us with covid, preventing people from being evicted from their home. the infrastructure bill. people have short memories and the republican's attempts are against everyone and if you don't keep people safe and healthy, we won't have anyone to protect this country. host: we will get a response from the congressman. caller: we -- guest: we have two different points of views and the government has been expended by this administration with no accountability. if you asked the average person on main street, is your life better now been 2.5 years ago? what about the cost of gas or price of eggs?

anything having to do with the expansion of businesses. what about the reliance on china? this administration is at fault directly and we will do everything we can, republicans, to stop it. host: gordon, florida, republican. caller: you and i are republican -- conservative republicans and your concern with the banking class is good but your bill, the student loan accuracy bill what force -- that is almost 10% of national debt. do you agree with me or not, that your bill and others like it like john corbin, are the only things short of a miracle from above to the force the department from start -- to stop hemorrhaging and leading in debt and if you're -- the democrats have it in their platform for student loan bankruptcy so --

host: we got your point. guest: gordon and i have a disagreement about the government's responsibility to pay debt. what this presidency is doing is irresponsible. what about people who don't go to college and those that go to community colleges and pay their debt off? this country is heading into bankruptcy because this administration goes along with irs agents and every one else. host: gilberts, -- this is got. --scott. caller: i was in banking for over 20 years where we had regulators and a small community bank and we had regulators coming in continuously and monitoring everything we were doing. we had a board where we had to

make sure we justify all of our loans, all of our spending and where our money meant so we were upholding to our shareholders. the bank afterwords -- svb, we will bail them out without any issues over the deposit? i don't understand why we are paying people bonuses and they also paid themselves in their stock sellout before the crash and is shut down and janet yellen says, we will pay this off about an issue. no problem. that leaves it open for any other bank to say it does not matter what we do. if we are going to allow the government to pay -- bail us out, weekend spend money -- we can spend money stupidly. host: go ahead.

guest: i agree with us -- you and that is the slippery slope the president has put us on to bill silicon out -- bail silicon out. the taxpayers pay it. i know the fees of the fbi see insurance --fdic insurance fund. who makes or profits? the shareholders and that has what -- is what has been lost. a lot of boards have been negligent and they have poor management and it is accountability that is lost in the regulations have been there but if you don't force regulations, what good is it? host: 15 minutes before we take into the house of the test coverage of the house -- before we take you to be coverage of the house. until then, it is ralph norman and he will go to the financial services committing -- committee

at 10:00 a.m. that we will show at c-span.org . kenneth, texas, democrat. caller: i was listening to the congressman lie. behind of inflation was in 2020 under donald trump and the republicans and that is the height that has been going down since and what i also see in him lying about that deficit --debt deficit. seven tell -- $7 trillion in -- $7.5 trillion in debt was put under donald trump. the regulators that you have taken off, we can no longer eat the fish that we can catch out of our lake. the fish are poisoned because you all remove the regulations

that protected our rivers -- host: you are singing -- comes from. --congressman. guest: look at the growth rate under down from, 3.6. the growth rate is now .6 and the economy is in a tailspin because of this administration's policies. go to your average business and as if they are doing better now or 2.5 years ago. this administration is doing -- is causing our cold role -- total collapse of the economy. as far as the fish, if they can be regulated, they will do it. i know in south carolina come you can eat those fish -- california -- south carolina, you can eat those fish.

here is a good thing. nikki haley and high --i go back. i saw the businesses she brought in and i saw where she cut taxes. nikki haley will promote the policies donald trump before he was president as well as all of the camps but nikki haley has the ability to attract young and old voters and she has a track record. i know her personally. that is why i went with nikki and i told her to come back and trump understood. we have a good stable of candidates to turn the country are now -- around. we have a president who cannot repeat a sentence without a teleprompter is who they will put up.

that is who the democratic party is putting up and i will put any of our candidates but nikki haley would do a great job. she proved herself in bun and she will prove herself as president. host: when you talk about you and nikki haley go way back, explain. caller: -- guest: we were elected to the general assembly. nikki served several terms. she was head of our republican congress and i have seen her at every level and she has challenge the scott -- that --the status quo. she will consent -- carried the republican policies. host: this is ronald, a republican. you are on with congressman norman.

caller: i want to know. i have a company in columbus. i turned them in from stealing from the cave land. [indiscernible] host: what is your question? caller: why did not the fbi take the big wheel from big lots in prison -- they sold them the cave land. host: i am not sure i got that question. guest: i could not follow him. host: we will move to linda, spring hill, florida. caller: i don't mean to be snarky but it seems like some of these democrats are paid to call in. what i am trying to say is, i

would go with president trump because he knows the players, he knows who is with us and it is a serious situation. the budget was great with president trump and let's get real and i hear it is weird. -- i hear this where thing about how he did this and that and i swear these people are being paid by the democrat party for what they are saying. host: what do you think of nikki haley? do you think she would make a good president. i -- caller: i don't know her well enough but i know trump had the background i know and i know he can get cocky but he knows the series layers in this country and what is happening -- the serious players in this country and what is happening with google and china. host: is that nikki haley's

biggest tissue -- biggest issue, folks not knowing her? guest: what nikki haley does well is connecting with voters and you will see her on the stage and on debates and going around the country and you will see the real nikki haley. what people will see is a sincere candidate with core values who will turn the country a while -- country around. i like her chances and i like the republican's party chances. this administration is leading them astray. host: i want to ask you about a topic that comes up from callers, term limits for congress, and effort you have an interest in as well including a constitutional amendment. guest: the number one issue among a lot of voters is universal as far as agreement,

is numbers -- members of congress should have some type of term limit and my bill is returns in the house, two in the senate. it is a constitutional amendment that will require two thirds votes and that is why we have over 100 cosigners in the bill that we will bring up to put it back to the states to let them decide. i will tell you, the constitution did not see for folks to come to congress and make a nice living on it and saying in congress for 30 years. joe biden has been in congress for 50 years and that is way too long. the right number is three terms and 8000 and two in the senate and go home and work and live in some regulations they passed.

some politicians have not been in the private sector. they won't spend their money when it comes to it so i think some -- i think it is a great issue and we will put it in front of american people and speaker mccarthy has this on the house on the floor and letting people vote on it. host: are there any members who have been there on decades -- four decades have signed on -- who have signed on? guest: there are members who have been there 5-10 years and i am serving my gears and with the term limit, should it pass, it will be added going. people have 16 -- an additional six years in thousand. we will see what the senate does. ted cruz has an identical bill in the senate. host: five minutes before the

house comes in. we will get in a few calls. this is karen, new york, democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am a democrat and i am not being paid. i do have a question. i have been reading about what the caucus wants to cut and i want -- wonder is it baking regulations they want to cut? is it railroad safety they want to cut and a woke bureaucracy, i want to know what woke bureaucracy, i have no idea what that means. guest: that is a very good question. we are not cutting social security or medicaid or medicare contrary to what this administration says. we are not cutting regulations -- not cutting banking regulations. what are we cutting?

millions of dollars that go to the obama trail. the friendly highways are getting millions of dollars, the green new deal folks that are concentrated on taking funds from the military. everything is on the table. it is -- when you see it, that is what we put it in print work you can see it as a taxpayer and you have a right to see what we cut. i would ask you to as the biden administration, what do they think -- save? the answer is zero. host: when will we see the budget or when will it be released? guest: some of it is today and there's more to come and we will cut trillions out of this woke budget. we won't go along with joe biden adding $7 billion to the

national debt and -- if you put social security and medicaid on top of that, they have deficits so we will not bankrupt the country and that is what this administration has been doing. we have to make a solid and strong america that we once were. host: we had a conversation with our viewers in the first hour of this congress -- program. what this woke mean to you -- just woke mean to you? guest: when you put dollars behind --woke means the funding that they have for privacy laws in other countries. it means a lot of different things to different people. woke means paying college tuition in my opinion but it is wrong and we cannot afford it and we will do what we can to cut it.

host: i have time for one or two calls. roberts, repo, carolina -- roberts, greenville, carolina -- north carolina. caller: when will the republican party the house and stop backing donald trump? do you think donald trump is honest? guest: i am sure people don't like his personality but look at what he did with the country. he has been the most mistreated president that i know of so i think donald trump is honest. he loves america. contrary to what this president does and the vice president. they don't love america. they put china before this country and we will put a stop to it. elections cannot come quick enough. host: independent, good morning.

caller: i have a question. you think there's any positive benefit to citizens united and do you think florida's investors are getting unfair access to our government and representatives by this dark money tunnel created? i want your take, do you you take it as a positive thing for the nation and if so, give me an example? host: right question -- guest: great question. foreign investors in our political system, absolutely and look at what china has done in this country and look at the joe biden documents where money was received not just for his son but president biden himself. china is buying land. we need to put a stop to it. transparency is something that

has not existed and one foreign investors are doing particulate in the stock market. we have a bill, each stock is owned by other countries and china is the number one threat. we have to disassociate ourselves both from the manufacturing end and be investment politicians that should not be allowed. he is right. it should have been banned along time ago. host: i will let you run to that hearing and it is getting started in couple minutes. congressman rob norman, republican of south carolina and you can help -- catch him at the committee. thank you so much for your time. that will do on washington journal and we will be back here at 7 a.m. eastern. we will take you live to the floor for