♪ host: this is a washington journal, april 19, the deformation trial was supposed

to take up to six weeks but it did not get through one day. two parties settled for a payout on tuesday. it is a victory not just for the fox news company but for democracy. fox news offered an apology putting out a notice saying that certain claims about the election were false. we will take your call in on the results on the fox news settlement. this is how you can call in this morning. publicans -- republicans (202) 748-8001 , independent (202) 748-8000 and democrat (202) 748-8002 . text (202) 748-8003. and you can also post on facebook and twitter and follow the show on instagram.

most papers using the settlement yesterday as their lead story. the wall street journal says when 87 five -- 100 -- over 180 million. settlement and when you go to the washington post there headline is massive payout -- the deformation case hinged on 20 election claims. the new york times this morning, their headlines are saying fox and dominion abruptly settled for$787.5 million. they wrote in part that dominion sued two years ago when fox news claimed that voting machines were susceptible to hacking.

the company expressed exoneration about the cost that fox will have to pay. while they asked for a suit of $1.6 billion. they could have eliminated any payout from a trial. that is from the new york times. you can give us your thoughts on the settlement announced yesterday. no lines again republicans [applause] -- republicans (202) 748-8001 , independent (202) 748-8000 and democrat (202) 748-8002 you can also text us at text (202) 748-8003. this is in -- a reporter speaking to them after the settlement.

>> today's settlement of $787.5 million represents vindication and accountability. lies have consequences. the truth does not know red or blue. people across the political spectrum can and should disagree on issues, even of the most profound importance. but for our democracy to endure, for another 200 50 years and hopefully much longer, we must share a commitment to facts. host: that is a portion of the press conference yesterday from the dominion lawyers. box putting a statement of its own on its website. it says "we have reached our settlement of the dispute with dominion systems. we acknowledge the court ruling on claims about reporting that

were lost. this continues fox's commitment to the highest journalism standards. instead of a trial, we agreed on this so that the country can move forward from these issues. ". that was a statement yesterday from fox news again, we will take your calls on this. if you want to call in on the line you can text us text (202) 748-8003. can you can post on facebook and twitter as well. we will start out with zack in kansas city, missouri. democrat line. first step. good morning. caller: hello. thank you for having me on. i just wanted to say that i think it is about time that comes out of pocket and pays for

all the lies and craziness they have spread. they, literally, it is a joke when you sit there and listen to them half of the time. the truth is, watching them come out with three quarters of a billion dollars was very sweet to watch. i appreciate it. and good morning. host: that is zach. let's hear from paul. paul is on the independent line. again, on the voting system settlement yesterday. hello. caller: they proved one thing that the left wing are liars. you are against democracy, free speech, and institution. c-span, cnn, you lie constantly. host: this is about fox news and they -- they lied yesterday to

what do you think about that? caller: you don't ever ask democrats questions you let them say whatever they want to. but in bc, c-span, you continually attack c-span. there are two types of lies. there is one where you tell a story and another one where you like about -- left-wingers. host: ok you have a chance to make your statement. but fox news themselves admit that they lied. what do you think about that? caller: i admit they lied. but the left-wing fascist get away with their lies. hillary clinton, she got away with that. let's go to republican line with terry. you're up. host: good morning [indiscernible] let me make one thing perfect.

january 6 did not have one thing to do with fox news, it did not have one thing to do with what donald trump said. they had every single thing to do with what we witnessed on election night of 2020. the lies about the floods and all of that. polls being closed of never seen that done before. the last i will say, we watched cnn stand in front of burning buildings and say these are peaceful protest. they burned down lafayette park and they said it was a peaceful protest when they tried to kill -- on the andrew jackson monument. host: i will ask you the same thing i asked the previous caller. did fox news light in this case because they said they did? -- did they lie in this case

because they said they did? caller: adam trust none of you you are lying through your teeth. -- i don't trust none of you. you are lying through your teeth. -- you are no better than jussie smollett you do realize that, don't you? host: we go to walter in washington dc. you're up. caller: good morning morning how are you? host: i'm fine thank you, go ahead. i will admit with the fault -- the fox settlement they did have false information and some deficits should have been done with debt. but let's not forget c-span on january 6, 2005 when nancy pelosi talked with the democrats and said -- they will change votes for [indiscernible]

cheated and took the election from john kerry. so they did not sue anybody for that sense. host: let's stick to the dominion lawsuit. you said that should have been a payoff. what do you think about the figure of the payoff yesterday? caller: what i think is i want fairness on both sides. yes, they reported that, but as i said nancy pelosi did not make the same claims as others did. and the thing is, with the voting machines, they said the same thing. but this is not a big deal really because this is all about because folks questioned the 2020 election. host: are you saying the reporting by fox was not a big deal considering the lawsuit? caller: considering all the networks. i treat them honestly and i

watched all the networks. they all tell factual stories and they all tell lies. every last one of them. they all need to equally be held accountable. when they give and correct stats with all the things we heard about trump in the past seven years. a lot of that -- host: let's go to don in montana. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. on this settlement it would be sad if we lose fox news because that is one of the rare outlets where you get some of the facts. the other news media told reports on a lot of those stories. it is news by omission. when american news had hearings on voting thought -- voting fraud. i wonder if you can get the

tapes where people under oath mention all the fraud during their election. thank you. host: before you go as far as the fox network you said you go with the truth reporting as you put it. does this change your thoughts for you? caller: no i don't. it is the idea they will go after them because they report the news. the democrats do not want the actual facts to come out. host: that is don in montana. if he goes to the news nation website they highlight that fox news faces another lawsuit of a significant amount. it is by a company known as smart medic suing them for 2.7 million dollars over 2020 election claims. -- dominion and fox news highlighted the story from yesterday when it came to the

spark medic claims. the question is who is spark vatican? -- spark medic? they said they are suing over the full claims being made about the 2020 election despite there being no evidence of election fraud. the company is suing those anchored along with the fox corporation cindy powell and giuliani based on the claims election rigging made on air after the election. they said that they knew there was no credibility to the claims that there was widespread fraud. and under the question of what is this take? they are suing for $2.7 billion. that is from smart medic to politico. putting out a similar statement from lawyer eric conley.

tweeting this morning in part saying dominion litigation expose some of the damage caused by some of fox misinformation campaign. mark maddock will explode -- mark maddock will it -- smart medic will expose the rest. this is jd on our independent line. hello. caller: [indiscernible] this dominion settlement brings to mind and everyone has conveniently forgotten about donald trump's [indiscernible] under his name. at syria -- a tirade of lies. even when his birth certificate and hospital records were shaken in a man's face he did not push -- he continued to push these

lies. he was a bona fide citizen of the united states of america. terrible situation. terrible lies. host: what does it mean for the fox dominion lawsuit specifically? caller: it means a public figure who was supposed to be upholding the truth, does not need to -- a corporation like dominion. as of the name of it? host: dominion voter system, yes. caller: it seems to me that finally someone has risen to the place where we can demonstrate that the truth can sometimes prevail over all the mag liesa. host: let's hear from josie in pennsylvania. democrat. hello. caller: good morning. i hear of many people coming on

with the story of fox news, i find that to be an oxymoron. the newspaperman and print media has always double check and triple checked their stories before they went out in print. that is called finding your facts and making sure that you are accurate with reporting. fox knowingly continued to spread the big lie. and they said all other big media outlets do the same. that is not a good argument. the argument we should be looking at is the damage done by fox over the past three years to our institutions and democracy. it is much deeper than $787 million. i am glad that judgment was given. i am glad that was reached. i think it is excellent for a jury to be seated and the fact

that he realized the handwriting on the wall so to speak and had to settle. the news is factual. i remember kellyanne conway saying they are alternative facts. one trained historian and knowing that there are alternative facts. facts are facts. and the fact that those fox news anchors and personalities, i will not call them news reporters, the fact they continue to perpetrate that false information for raiding is a sad story on the first amendment. host: that is josie in pennsylvania. let's hear from mark in ohio republican line. caller: good morning. i believe fox news. they got what they had coming to them. as far as the news media, i will

say this, if you took 100 fire ants and stuck them in a jar, they will not do anything to each other. but if you shake the jar, they will attack each other. the government and the media are the ones shaking the jar trying to get the american people to kill each other and keep us distracted. host: let's go back to the beginning you said they got what is coming to them. what do you mean by that? caller: a lot of the mainstream media needs to be sued with all of the getting the american people to go after each other. if everybody turned off the media we would be a better country. host: this is between fox news and the company that manufactured voting machine. how does that extend to what you are saying? caller: i am saying we need to get more news media outlets. host: mark in ohio the new york times this morning in part of the settlement that was reached yesterday offered this.

you can find it on their website. the one question that only time will answer is whether the settlement was enough to cause fox news to change how it handles these conspiracy contents. the amount of $787.5 million fox certainly doesn't want a similar settlement soon. as other legal cases loom. that is in reference to the 2.8 7 million by smart maddock. -- medic. but there was not much -- on fox shows to begin with. that is the new york times if you want to read it. several papers offering analysis with the settlement reached yesterday between fox news and dominion voting system.

from california, we have an individual writing on her twitter feed, that fox news did damage to our democracy. and another said we are drowning in a world of lies about women, minorities, students, workers, teachers, so long and with fox it is what you see. lawrence rose saying the problem with network news is that they need to stick with reporting news instead of having commentary on everything that is going on. you can post your thoughts on facebook you can reach us at facebook.com/c-span and also join us on twitter at twitter @cspanwj. and you can also text us at (202) 748-8003. go ahead. caller: the problem i have is we

started the entire episode saying fox admitted they lied. someone you are representing that is the truth. you just read an article where fox did not admit to lying. which one is it? host: i just read you the statement from fox news saying that some of the claims against dominion were false. caller: they were not proven false yet, where they? host: i am just reading the statement from fox news. caller: where is the statement you read earlier this morning where you said you live. host: i read several papers this morning i don't know which if i can find it off the bat. caller: you said you told me that you -- they lied but then they didn't. can i sue c-span?

host: i think you're talking about this one where it says we have reached a settlement with our voting systems. we acknowledge the claims from dominion to be false. that is the statement out -- itself. c-span -- fox news continues a commitment to fact-based news. we hope that we can move forward beyond this. you can check it out on their website if you want to look for yourself. a caller from pennsylvania. caller: the last gentleman is why they should have never settled. when dominion settled they never made it clear -- individuals got online on television in front of the viewers and set all of the things that were in their email. the people who watch fox are not watching anything else and they are not hearing that they admitted it was a lie. and that it calls all defragmentation in our country. i would rather they had gone with that and had the same

people who spit such vile every night that they would go on air and have to say we are sorry we did something wrong. we lied. they did not hold them to that. i think that would have been a bigger penalty in order to resolve this and brought us closer as a country. host: republican line gerald in connecticut. caller: good morning. how are you my friend? host: i am fine, thank you. go ahead. caller: it was interesting to hear the colors earlier this morning of how they are so upset -- i have absolutely been thrilled to finally -- this -- i even take some of the really crazy people will see that yes, not only did these hosts detest donald trump, but they knew the election was not fixed for whatever the nonsense was.

this is the largest deformation suit in u.s. history. so i think it is not perfect but it goes a long way. you don't pay $100 million if you are right. last night on my left leg bets have been party in and dancing all night. i have not even slept. have a great day. host: do you think the settlement itself will change what fox puts out on air? caller: it will. i will tell you this much it has to be because you do not pay $800 million because well i want to just go on. you know what i mean? anybody who says the election really was rigged really, you do not pay that kind of money just to -- because it is a hassle.

host: that is gerald there. this is from earlier this year by the way. a political hosting some of the exchanges between fox news and those in the corporation having claims on various people. he can find the political websites from february this year. saying that trump supporters and fox news -- leaving journalist at the network reporting the truth about the election. the crosshairs was november night, -- november 9, 2020. they made substantiated claims of a solon -- stolen election. unless they have in more details to back it up he says i cannot in good confidence continue to show this on the air. they try to get jackie hand brakes fired for backing a trump tweet about dominion saying there was no evidence of votes being destroyed. please get her fired. it goes on to say laura ingraham

and john kennedy on 2020 is hurting the company. the stocks are down. not a joke. and he said -- they are doing this and if this gets picked up viewers will further discuss this. it was november 19, 2020. after there was a press conference about dominion. white house correspondent got in trouble for effect -- fact checking their claims. for the filing they received -- legally after that that the higher ups in fox news were unhappy. it goes on with the story and political says that it was february 17 this year that fox 2020 split revealed that the opinion of a candidate network host and they -- had claims of a rigged and stolen election even though they privately admitted they were bogus.

john on independent line. washington, d.c.. go ahead. caller: thank you. good morning america. i want to say thank you to anyone who wants to lock c-span in with the rest of the networks. if fox news, msnbc, cbs, and other news stations allow the same forum that c-span allows where people can call in and voice their opinion on different topics and have delict -- different political spectrum so come on and talk. if they did that i think this would be a lot better. what happened with fox news i think and the president, i think there needs to be a bar on all of the news media stations or so-called news media stations because they say what they want to say because they have a slot to fill. these guys are making millions of dollars to get on tv and tell us what we want to hear. i am telling you that c-span is

unique. you guys do a great job. let them call it out -- to let us call in and voice our opinions on different topics and see what americans are thinking about different subjects. thank you for your work and c-span is a unique item and i am glad you guys exist. host: joseph in california you are next up. good morning. caller: good morning america. i really appreciate this opportunity to speak in this time. yes, the last caller was speaking. i disagree with him on the point that it is the media. because the media can be sued. the biggest problem that i found in america is churches, pastors, teachers and eight years ago we watched the blood moon go down and that inspire president trump be elected. host: let's stick to the topic

of the fox dominion settlement. caller: it is in context. host: direct your comments to that please. caller: dominion -- [indiscernible] this was the same day as the blood moon and -- host: how does that deal with dominion lawsuit specifically? caller: understanding that what we witness here in america and all these church full -- individuals believing the lie. unfortunately, all america has suffered when he lied and had all these people running to the capital. and also as we stand here today witnessing all of the violence. host: gina is next mississippi republican line on this settlement reached yesterday. go ahead. caller: good morning. i just am lying here like i do

every morning for the last 20 years watching this. there is no other show, no other forum that spreads as much as -- as much disinformation as fox -- as you do in your show. it is just a joke. all i can say is, washington journal better get their lawyers ready. host: ok because you decided to call in -- she hung up. let's go to jonathan and ohio. hello. caller: hello. this is my first time calling in. yes, i have been -- i will still watch fox news and yeah, they had it settled, but the other guy said all the media gets sued

over stupid reasons. host: do you think the claims made about the voting system itself or stupid on its own by fox news? caller: pretty much. like arizona, nevada, and all that. why did it take a month for them to count if they had dominion -- if it wasn't halfway true. it is halfway true, it's just that they had -- the court system and democrats want them to, you know -- host: and then even in light of the settlement it doesn't change your opinion of fox news? caller: no, there would have to be something wrong with the dominion machines. and plus, there is no way that biden got almost 100 million

people voting for him. there's 120 million people that want trump. host: that was jonathan in ohio on the independent line. we've taken a half hour of your calls looking at the settlement between fox news and dominion voting system. that happened yesterday and we will continue to take your calls for the remaining half hour. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. text us at (202) 748-8003. one of the people speaking yesterday about the settlement was the ceo of dominion voting system. he gave his statement to reporters yesterday. here is a portion. >> fox and dominion have reached a historic element. fox admitted to telling lies about dominion.

it caused enormous damage to my company, our employees, and the customers we serve. nothing can ever make up for that. throughout the process, we have soft accountability and we believe the evidence brought to light through this case underscores the consequences of spreading lies. truthful reporting in the media is essential to our democracy. dominion, our employees, our people bowl, our partners are grateful to the court allowing for us to process for the truth to come out. i cannot thank the election officials that we serve enough. without them there is no democracy. and the work that they do to that end. they deserve better. host: some posting on our social media sites saying fox paid the amount of $787.5 million to keep from having to testify under both -- oath in the court of

law. and another on facebook saying fox is not good for journalism and democracy and it is not a journalistic enterprise. they should lose their front row seat. facebook.com/c-span is how you reach us and our twitter feed is twitter @cspanwj. dennis in toledo ohio. democrat line. hello. caller: i am from iowa. host: i am sorry. caller: ok. we have republican callers. georgia the night of the election was controlled by the republicans. the governor, the commissioner, the secretary of state, they all were controlled by the republicans. if those machines were fixed how

were they fixed by the democrats if the republicans could total everything? host: how do you feel about yesterday? caller: i was happy. i don't see how anyone could support lying. host: as far as the settlement itself what makes you happy about it? caller: americans, fox needs to lose their money. just stop lying. like me i live in iowa it is a republican state. i do not blame the republicans, you know, for winning in iowa because they had better candidates than we do. host: bill is next in minnesota. independent line. hello. caller: hello good morning. i kind of think that if i was

the host on fox news i would be a little concerned. like those individuals in the lawsuit, because at the end of the day, you know, you don't get paid that much in an amount of money in a settlement unless somebody is going to have to pay. so i think they just all of the fox hosts took a pay cut. i've been watching c-span every morning with my morning coffee for a long time. you guys are a model of being the post of the people. you have a nice day. and tell mr. lam i said hello. bye-bye. host: he is around the building today so i am sure he hurt you. that is built in minnesota. this is greg in wisconsin

republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i get a kick out of this because watching you guys gloat, meaning you and the other liberals you are station with that is publicly funded, you are gloating over this. you should be embarrassed the amount of money that was transferred here. it is ridiculous because there are so many other people in part of this thing. $787.5 million that fox is paying? host: $787.5 million. caller: ok, whatever. they should take this to the supreme court and stop loading. you are an embarrassment. host: what do you think about the settlement itself? caller: what? host: what do you think about the settlement itself? caller: it is a joke. it is all about anti-trump,

anti-conservative, anti-republican. you know it as well as i do. you are an embarrassment. you are an embarrassment. host: where do you get the idea that we are republican funded by the way? caller: you are an embarrassment. host: i ask you a question. where did you get the idea that we are republican funded? ok well those of you know that we are funded by cable industry. we are just like you at home -- we have individuals just like you at home that are contributing every month that is no federal money coming from that portion of our operational state money it is all because of the cable industry. you can find more information on our website at cease and. alex in -- at c-span. alex in brooklyn. democrat line. caller: i am calling to explain the point of why this is the truth. fox news was able to pay $787.5

million as a weight of doing business. lying has a value, what it does, it allows information to move forward without there being any consequences but the real consequence is -- it is sad that we see -- people on c-span they truly hear them and that they cannot even say that this is wrong. what they said was wrong, what all of these people that are under network said was wrong and this was nothing but a lie. and it is not getting across with the case that had so much proof. they are in real trouble. all of the other networks are going to lie at that level. nothing is going to be done about it. but we have c-span, washington journal creating chaos saying

this was true. that the election was stolen when it truly wasn't. p bill, logic -- people, logical people know that. but it will not get across. host: alex in brooklyn. more analysis with the washington post saying they will not have to apologize as part of the settlement deal. they said the apology is about accountability. and today dominion held fox accountable. fox issued a statement saying the comments about dominion were false. the dominion settlement came after judge davis issued pretrial rulings in march that narrowed fox's avenues for defending its conduct. the judge ruled for instance that the netbook -- network could not say -- that they did this without -- with actual malice. that the statements were false. and they must establish that as

a defendant must act with actual malice or -- the 60-year-old standard established by the supreme court. some legal scholars called for the ruling because it stripped away a key line of defense. and they were earning and commenting on use where the claims. and then they defended false statements by none other than these familiar faces that you see on the fox news network should you watch it on a regular basis. in huntsville alabama independent line we hear next from aaron. good morning. caller: good morning. this goes with the last caller. this goes back to 2013 and 2014 with the smith act. lying was legalized and up to was legalized.

new stations in the government can lie to the people and get away with it. you think about 10 years ago, fox that is when we have jay home and martial law payment. host: what does it mean for the payment yesterday specifically then? caller: then settlement is furthering the stabilization process. that was practice for what we are at now. host: when you say further stabilization what do you mean by that? caller: they are dividing the red versus the blue. and the purple is the one winning. we have read on one side and blew on the other side in the media and propaganda that is calling -- causing conflict between everybody and they are crashing our country. host: laura in texas republican line. hello. caller: good morning i cannot believe all of these republican -- i cannot believe that people will not believe that -- the

lies that fox was saying. i've got me a brain and i use it. host: as far as the settlement, what do you think about the decision yesterday? caller: i do not think it was enough. i think they should have sued for the whole amount. host: why is that? caller: because fox perpetuated ally and kept the light going. i think they should be punished for not telling the truth. host: you think the dollar figure yesterday was not punishment enough? caller: i do not believe it was enough i think they should have sued for the whole amount. host: go ahead and finish. caller: i guess that is the amount that they settled for and i guess everybody should be satisfied, but i do hope that now fox will be a little bit more careful about trying to report the truth when it -- all it does is just lying. host: laura in san antonio

texas. a few minutes left in this conversation. sue in new jersey texting us saying we as a society have become too gullible. fact checking is important. fox news among many reporting avenues are doing a disservice to people. and this is from california saying this was a deformation lawsuit and not a first amendment lawsuit. -- from jeff holland -- i think i read this one already. but again facebook and text is available to you if you want to text us --text us at (202) 748-8003. if you wish to go that route. democrat line. david. hello. caller: good morning. i am a veteran and i wanted to talk about some of the things. i am a little disappointed they settled. i wanted them to go the whole

way and have an on air apology or something or correction on fox news. i think they can do this with a lot of things that they talk about such as iran, classified documents scandal going on, how they were a christian nation recently. and i think they should go all the way through with their lawsuit so that we can get all of that discovery and hopefully a camera is in the court room so we can watch people admit to lying on the stand. host: the lawsuit for $2 billion is one of the things to watch out for in the coming days and weeks in light of the settlement that was made yesterday between two parties. from karen, this is in minnesota, maryland, independent line. hello. caller: hello good morning.

i think it is frustrating with the whole thing of what is happening. i do not think they will be held accountable for their behavior and for really affecting and impacting people's lives every day. any difference i see now -- i do think that fox news should be forced to drop the word news out of their name. they are entertainment and they should be treated as entertainment. we should not be watching what they see and what they tell us as news. they are a right wing opinion news channel and they should not be using those words. to be a journalist, to be somebody who is there telling and sharing nation, you have to have a sense of responsibility with your words and they do not have that.

they are trying to bring -- brainwash american people -- caller: do you treat the opinion us on fox news and those who report on wall street all the same? caller: no, unfortunately not. i watch fox news because i am independent and i want to know what is going on. but when i watch them on tv i was not like saying you guys are not like that, but i do not think any of their opinions are serious. i know they have an agenda and it is to change my mind against others that do not look like me or sound like me and i will not buy that. host: that is carolyn in maryland. president biden of what to watch out for today will be in maryland to deliver remarks on the economy. they will convene at noon today considering a joint resolution. and just as overall law. it is a bill that will ban transgender women and girls from

competing in athletic teams. on the senate side they will come into reconsider the fire grant safety act. you can find that on our various channels. and another thing to watch out for on the network today the supreme court will consider a case looking at the topic of threatening statements on social media and if they should be considered a criminal act or right of free speech. you can see that on c-span now, or our website at c-span.org. talking about taxes because tax day is just passing that commissioner will give an update on the processing of tax returns. that is set for 10:00 today. and the plans by the biden administration and budget plans for $80 million was appropriated by the irs. 10:00 on c-span three on our app and website. and this afternoon we hear from the federal assistance program

with the reauthorization of the 2023 farm at noon. that will be on c-span three our app and the website. you can catch all of the latest information of the things we can cover and our website is c-span.org. susa and alabama republican line. caller: yes i want to make a comment -- i watch a lot of the liberal channels and i also watch fox as well. they consider the audience a bunch of sloths. they say they will not be able to do anything about this lawsuit -- 2 million-dollar lawsuit because they do not listen to the other channels but i am a republican and a like trump and i listen to all of the channels and i make up my own mind. i do not like to be thrown into a category that we are a cult. we are not. that we are not educated. we are -- we have a lot of educated engineers in our area

of alabama. and it is just that they should not put everybody in one group. host: as far as the settlement itself what did you think about the decision yesterday? i don't know? -- i don't know. if they have disinformation then they should be held accountable. i don't know that the lawsuit was enough or not enough. i do not have an opinion too much about that. host: did you hear about this from fox primarily a or other networks you were watching? caller: from others. i do not watch fox too much. and i do not watch all, i can only stomach so much about whole news cycle. but i go and watch another channel you can only take so much of it. it just, you know, so anyway, i do not have too much of an opinion. if they did make a mistake, then they should -- and they agreed to settle it and evidently that was enough.

host: patrick and voted democrat line you are up next. hello. caller: hello. host: you are on go ahead. caller: yes i did not like they settled. i wanted to see them go to trial and get on the stand and admit that they did all the lying. i am in the military at 22 year veteran and i still work with the military as a contractor. most of the people that look at fox or watch fox are related with the military and they get a lot of pay on base. i think they should be banned and should not play on base anymore. host: we have a texas morning saying that fox news settlement will be a good event for changes in news broadcasting. i listen to msnbc on radio every day. they have misleading information that they put out every day. it is astonishing. my news daily for many outlets

in my outlet is diverse. that is and in connecticut. rick on our independent line from california. hello. caller: hey, how are you doing? host: fine, thank you go ahead. caller: i am with the peace and freedom party and i want to take this chance to reach out to the republicans and all the tea party people and let them know they are not alone in all of this. there's a lot of people being caught up by this propaganda and stuff being put out. and they should hopefully fall back a little bit and understand that a lot of the stuff they are getting is not true. as far as from the left, not understanding why this case hasn't settled all the trouble and everything, it really was not about settling, it was about the deformation that was brought against dominion. they are just trying to do

business and get it done. we shouldn't try to have dominion fixing everything in the united dates as far as this kind of stuff is pretty bad. host: was a settlement satisfactory for you? caller: yeah i knew this was going to happen. i figured this would happen they need to settle because they have to take care of business and ox wants to keep trying to push -- fox wants to keep trying to push their position out to try to get more of the trouble going. i am hoping you can bring up the story on the two spies that got merrick garland -- he had brought up for americans on us doing election problems and everything else in the system. host: ok we go to doug in new jersey republican line. hello. caller: yeah, if fox news was sued for basically disinformation about the 2020

election, then how come the democrat networks are not being sued for their disinformation on covid? because they told massive lies. massive lies that have been easily debunked if you just look the information up. lies that if you are vaccinated you cannot get or spread covid. we know that is not true. but we are still -- they are still pushing lies and there is no accountability. we are back to a to chair justice system at the so-called right complains about because they have a case because it is a two justice system. host: what you think about this settlement and what it says about the information about -- that fox news put out about the dominion voting system? caller: i think it is wrong. it says that everybody against the narrative is going to sue and oblivion. fox news will pay that and the average person cannot. those who promote disinformation will be scared into silence.

host: how is it a government affair if it was a private entity that brought the lawsuit? caller: kind of how c-span is a chauffeur of the democrat party just like how ms nbc, cnn and npr, -- host: answer the question. if it is a private lawsuit how does it end in a government affair? caller: because it is protecting our government -- election and well-being. the people are part of the country and they elect people to run our government. if they are allowed to sit there and just do these types of lies and go unchecked than they win. that is what is happening. host: yvonne in wisconsin. it democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling to say i am ecstatic about the settlement. i think it is a win for our country and a real big and for

democracy because a lot of people lost their lives in january 6 because of this. i just think it is great and we are going to see what they will do for 2024. and i'm just saying if fox has another election and they continue the lies in 2025 then guess what, dominion can go back to court and sue them for a trillion dollars. caller: garay. in -- democrat line. -- caller: it is about the quality of the machines and their machines being credible. that is the only thing i am getting too. they are a private company with a private machine that they use that they sell of what their business is backed up about. and now the machine is a qualified use of equipment to be used. how we are going at people over

politics and everything just got off facebook that. it is a private company. it wasn't the government or democrat party that is getting hurt. host: it is what fox news was saying about the private company and their machines. caller: exactly. host: what do you think about the settlement of all of that? caller: i think their machines are good. i'm not going to go off on the policy it was a private company and their product was damaged. and that has been resolved and they had to pay for that. it would just be like any other product out there but we are shifting to politics and people were are going -- host: why is the credibility of the company now ok with you because of the settlement? are you saying that before you had issues with the company itself? caller: the company was not arguing about the vote -- the people voting and the outcome of

their election. they were, there are lawsuits about dominion. it is about the audit. it would be like coca-cola or anyone else. so everybody races to the politics side. i'm glad to see fox going down and everything but they should be glad that the machines were credible. and that there should be no more talk about that. host: that is gary. let's hear from caller in virginia. republican line. caller: yes i am on the republican line. i've been a republican all my life. i am 85 now. i think this, i cannot hear you. host: i am not talking just go ahead with your statement. caller: [laughter] ok i'm looking at you. host: [laughter] it is ok. there's a bit of a delay when it goes to television. caller: [laughter] ok. whatever they do with that i am fine with. as far as all the people calling

in about fox news. fox news. why did they listen to fox? democrats are calling in and they have fox news. why would they listen? i do not listen to fox's. i know there are a lot of things on fox news that i do not need to listen to. i listen to the span and my local news. if i want anything else i can read it there. i don't understand why people think that somebody else has got to tell them how to vote for somebody else has got to tell them what to do. when i grew up, i thought for myself. i taught my kids to do that. i don't understand. it doesn't make any sense to me. host: leslie hear from donna pittsburgh pennsylvania. democrat line. caller: i just want to say i switch back and forth from cnn and an nbc and fox news to see if they report the fact. i listen to the january 6 hearing to see if a aaron for

meetings. they never aired it once or talked about it. you talk about the facts they don't want their people to know the facts. yesterday i switched back to the beginning to see if he reported about this $8 million lawsuit. you know what they had on? to turn their people off? they had black crime on nan bay had people destroying the neighborhood. they had latinos -- i mean hispanics they showed them on buses. this went on for about half an hour. why did they report the news? why did they have to go back to show people this is what they are going to do to us. this is what they will do if we become republican -- i mean if host: donna finishes off the calls. appreciate all of you who participated. several guests joining us throughout this morning.

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to and early pregnancies. it has been on the market since that time but the fda has done periodic reviews of the drug and has had safety limits on it on who can prescribe it. there used to be requirements you have to be prescribed in person. the fda has since removed those requirements over time as they reviewed safety effectiveness of it. there is evidence showing the drug is safe and effective. the american college of ghana colleges have said -- gentle colleges said a serious side effects are less than 1% and serious or major adverse events or severe bleeding and hospitalizations happen in less than .3% of patients. it is safe.

there is a big mountain of relevance -- evidence on this efficacy. host: what is the nature of the lawsuits and this is at the supreme court, what does the supreme court have to do with this? guest: the challenge started off in texas the federal judge there . the plaintiff argued fda should not have approve the drug in the first place. did so without the proper processes even though there has been evidence showing the fda did. the judge put an injunction on mifepristone but he had a delay. the biden administration appealed the decision. they said we cannot stay on

their is self because statue limitations. the changes the fda made to since 2016 could be status of that includes allowing the pill to be prescribed over medicine -- telemedicine and shipped open in mail. also, in 2016 the increase when the pill could be used from seven weeks to 10 weeks. the appeals court to stay on the restriction so that means we go back to what the situation was before in 2016. the supreme court up with stay on that order. at some point today we could hear from the supreme court as to whether the day the fifth circuit put in place will move forward or if that will be stayed as litigation in texas as continues over the abortion bill. host: what is the potential impact come up gently from woman who want the drug?

typically for women who want the drug? guest: the go back to 2016 that means patients will have to go to a provider in person and that is difficult for folks in states where there is abortion bans or restrictions and they have to travel out-of-state. people who are further this seven week's interpregnancy would not be able to use it. larger applications for the fda. it is the first time a court has pushed overturn and fda approval. something i have seen folks say, drug industry attorneys, analysts have pointed to fda as the common goal standard of drug approval. challenging that approval provides a certainty for other drugs and approvals and could potentially open the door for challenges to other approved

drugs. host: want to see what the reality was about the claims. democrats have made -- where's the reality depending on this decision could impact everything else going forward? guest: the challenge in texas is not that they should be removed because the abortion pill. it is the fda to use and proper process to approve it so it is challenging the approval process itself. pharma, the main industry trade group in that pharmaceutical industry are not a party in the lawsuit but they filed a brief warning, and unprecedented on the fda approval process. the industry is worried this is going to provide uncertainty. when investors invest money in drug development they do that with certainty that if they get approved by the fda, the drug will be marketed in the u.s. and

available to patients and get into returns on investments and patients will have access. if you question the approval process, that provide uncertainty on whether the drugs, treatments would be able to make it to patients. host: celine castrinuovo a bloomberg law joining us for this conversation concerning the abortion drug. the case at the supreme court and decision expected today. if you want to ask her questions you can do so on the phone lines. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. you can text at 202-748-8003. where has the fda been on this, what case are they making? guest: leading up to the decision, the fda was silent on it because they did not want to get ahead the litigation. fda commissioner when he

appeared in the house appropriation committee hearing at the end of last month to go over the budget request he was asked about mr. -- mifepristone declined to comment because ongoing litigation. hss secretary has called the decision not american. you really see the biden administration start to push back on the judge's decision. fda release a statement at the decision and said this is very concerning and we are ready to defend our efficacy and safety authority over drugs made in the states. host: this drug is usually come into -- two drugs. why so much attention to the one drug? guest: mifepristone is approved just for ending early

pregnancies. it is also used with the drug for off miscarriage. it is approved for a separate condition so attorneys, analysts have said it will be virtually impossible for the group to challenge the approval of misoprostol because it has a long evidence and use the other treatments and has been approved for that use by the fda. host: as far as the supreme court, the justice makes the decision on its own art does it depend on the whole court to make the decision? guest: justice stay the order adverse and so it seems like it is now before the full board. to weigh in on whether they should stay the order from the fifth circuit. host: our first call from larry in indiana, republican line. you are on with our bloomberg law. caller: good morning.

my comment is, why are you putting the pharmacies more important than the doctors? you put the pharmacies into the doctors work instead of the work of the doctors. you want to good health care you should see a doctor. when will it stop? have a great day. guest: i believe the question was going to a doctor versus a pharmacy. the safety program the fda has is quite a risk evaluation and mitigation strategy. under that, and current regulations, patient still have to get it from a certified prescriber so that can be a

doctor, physician, physician assistant. they will have to go there first. get a prescription for mr. mifepristone and then go to a pharmacy. there are steps you have to get from certified prescribers. host: do you have a sense because of the court's decision on roe v. wade there's more interest in this medical option now at the center of a lawsuit? guest: medication abortion is the most common form of abortion in the u.s.. the most recent data posted over 50% in abortions. it is easier to access may be preferred in some assistance this article abortions. -- instances then in surgical abortions. they moved recommending mr. postell only protocol used in other countries.

it is safe and effective. there is big safety and efficacy profiles. host: mary in virginia. republican line. caller: good morning. i do not particularly care for this drug you all are doing. i believe there is another option. instead of killing a baby, there are homes children are needed. some people cannot have children and i believe that if you murder a baby then you deprive a family of having a child. . guest: this drug is been available and used widely since 2000 is give the u.s. before that it was approved for years

in france and other countries. what providers and health care professionals are warning right now is this drug has been essential in providing health care to their patients, not only for abortion but also for miscarriage management. they are emphasizing an importance on protection on the health of their patients and how important the drug approval is to stay on the market and make sure the drug is available. host: is there a single maker of the drug? guest: no. the laboratories involved in the case intervened to be a defendant in the case but the generic manufacturer is not an official party in the case but they come out and have commented on the case and have learned about the impact on access. host: there's a viewer asking about how early in a pregnancy can this drug be used safely? guest: it is approved for use anywhere up to 10 weeks of

pregnancy. that is based on evidence of safety and effectiveness previously it was up for seven weeks but the fda expended that in 2016 was there is more evidence for later in the pregnancy. host: in virginia, this is a viewer, independent line. go ahead. caller: i like to address all democrats. i think you have the right to abort any offspring you have. i think it should be your right no matter what the case, the term. look how many has been eliminated, how many democrats have been eliminated since 1973. look at all those voters it could be. host: ok.

billy in new york, democrats line. caller: i discourage this idea because sex without consequences is not the right attitude to have poor sexual behavior. it breeds overpopulation. it contributes to disease and incorrect societal thinking. host: there are medical issues involved in moral issues involved in they get wrapped up in these losses. guest: you can see the group that filed the lawsuit filed in a court of the judge who has ruled against by administration orders, has written about and rolled on anti-lgbtq issues, and work for conservative legal organization. there's lots of analysis showing the group purposely filed this

lawsuit in this judge expecting an outcome -- a certain outcome. there is that into it and the fda trying to defend his safety and advocacy warning large implications beyond inflation, it is the fda drug approval process and being able to the deliver treatments to patients. host: the commissioner will appear in a hearing. i suppose the topic at hand comes up as well. as far as fda budget, what you expect to ask for and what to expect might he get? guest: in committee today, he will be testifying. a lot of the fda funding, about half of it comes from industry user fees, what industry paste fda to help fda approve more applications, and get therapies to patients quickly. a part of it is appropriated

funding from congress. a large portion of the ask this year is focused on areas, and tension on infant formula crisis, and you also going to see lawmakers on the committee, most likely bring up this case. patty murray the chair of the appreciation committee -- publications committee, this is a big case for her in reproductive health care access. you will see her drink it up -- drink it up and she is condemned fellow republicans who submitted a brief defending us they mifepristone. usc lawmakers bring that up -- you will see lawmakers bring that up and will be interesting to see how your response. it will be the fda since of the safety and accuracy of the drug. -- efficacy of the drug. host: what defense that the

fda has that is not gives bias? guest: it is come up a lot in the past year since the approval of bioregions alzheimer's drug. there are meetings with fda officials and so there are concerns industry users that create a bias so they have said it is not the case, industry fees fund 65% of the drug activity, the staff there are trained to measure safety and efficacy and are not necessarily as concerned with whether funding comes from or what portion consummate specific drug company. it is likely to continue to be what fda will say. host: tom on our independent line. caller: the morning.

-- good morning. i do not know why it is a big debate. if women want their rights, vote for your rights. we are not going to vote for you. what i'm asking you from a scientific point of view, if you drug prevents these perm from fertilizing -- the sperm from fertilizing the egg. anything that prevents it from fertilizing the egg is not abortion. guest: this bill is in abortion pill. it is different from emergency contraceptive such as plan b. if there is a stay on mifepristone it could lead to challenges to plan b and other contraceptives approved in the u.s., but there's a difference between abortion pill and contraceptives. host: if the legal challenge

comes in it will be because of the fda approved it, safety record, those issues were seen now? guest: it is setting the stage for what else could groups challenge and what could the fda approvals are different drugs and question whether fda did efficacy analysis for those treatments. host: our guest reports for bloomberg law, celine castrinuovo here for this conversation. in oregon, lynn on the republican line. host: hi. i do not agree with the use of this drug. what i understand is brought about this challenge was the drug was originally approved for in use with a doctor or someone present, medical official. now it is forth to be used over the counter or even mail order

where you would have no idea the age of the person attempting to use it. there are a lot of reported incidents of needing medical care afterwards for excess bleeding. this would prevent that from happening. especially if a younger person used it without knowledge and did not understand the repercussions. i will like her to address that. guest: thank you for the question. even though the drug can be prescribed, nasty person by up -- not in person, they still have to get it from a provider. you still have to go to a prescriber whether that is telemedicine, in person, does not have to be in person under the fda safety program for the drug, but you have to get the prescription. there is large evidence showing

this drug is safe. there's is big evidence supporting his safety. there are providers who recommend of their issues with it after the fact that patients have the option to visit providers if they have any more questions. the safety program the fda has is in place for that purpose to keep the drug safe. host: veer ask about the judge asking why he put a hold on it, asking what was it not safe, has there been serious effects in people taking the drug? guest: the judge in his decision cited a lot of the argument that the plaintiffs in the case made. his decision, his stay put a hold on the fda approval while the litigation over approval proceeds. it would be temporary but based on his decision and he wrote his

argument it can be inferred he would eventually potentially pull the approval for mifepristone. there is a warning whether this to be able to take place, not just immediate impact it will have on patients who are looking to access a pillow, but also larger fda process -- a pill but also larger fda process approval. host: did you have any overlap over how different? guest: the washington decision came out in 20 minutes of the texas decision coming out and it was contradictory to what the judge was telling the fda to do in texas. washington case said democratic attorney could file a case there wanting to remove the safety programs for the drug because even though the fda has a safety

program, there american college another professional ionization is and researchers have said safety program is not necessary. the drug is safe. it pushes barriers onto patients to getting this drug. what the washington judge did as he did not for the stay on the safety program but he set the fda could not impose any additional restrictions -- said the fda could not impose any additional restrictions to access. the texas joe said the drug should not be available and it should be a temporary stay on it. the fda and by the administration requested clarifying decision there. the options the fda has is exercise enforcement discretion which means chooses to not take enforcement action on providers

and that could potentially be a way to comply with both orders. host: cj in new york, democrats line. caller: good morning. if you can give the whole audience a chance to weigh situations -- i think you spoke to the viagra safety issues. i'm going to speak to my so-called christian right wing brothers and sisters. what medicine do you accept period? do you think viagra is good when -- host: we will leave it there. tell me what to watch out for today.

why should the audience pay attention to? guest: we should expect a decision from the supreme court for a stay that the put in place -- justice alito put in place. different parties have filed briefs in the case waiting for this day. at some point today we will find out if the supreme court will allow the current fda at landscape to continue or if they will uphold the fifth circuit court of appeals stay on the changes fda made since 2016. host: our guest rights for bloomberg law, celine castrinuovo reports on the fda and drug crises issue for bloomberg law. thank you for your time today. two members of congress joins us throughout the morning. up next discussion of political news of the day with seth magaziner. that on we hear from south

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meeting my colleagues. i do think when the cameras are off most members are genuine about wanting to work together in the past good policy. -- and pass good policy. i've been enjoying it so far. i have been avenues freshman mee myself at the delivery for our district. by looking at bringing back public safety, environment, infrastructure and other mystic will get good things done. host: you were a public school teacher. and served as general treasure. what compelled you to run for higher office? guest: when the house seat for rhode island opened up one of the big motivators for me was thinking about what happened on january 6.

i feared our democracy was hanging in the balance and unfortunately there are antidemocratic forces that need to be met because generations have followed so we can have a republic and we need to make sure that continues. another big motivators was the supreme court overturning roe v. wade taking away freedoms in this country for 40 years. making government work better for working people. our district in rhode island, we are primarily a middle-class college district. these are people who too often are forgotten by those in power and i want to be a voice for working people from rhode island and across our country. those are my motivators for running. i am proud to represent our state. host: the first thing you walk into this debate that is going on over the debt limit, how to

raise it, and what republicans are proposing. what do you think of the argument as it is played out? guest: i think this is the kind of thing that drives people crazy about washington appreciate is a manufactured crisis republican leadership have invented to enforce because that will hurt working people. they will purposely wreck the economy. they will cause the united states cannot meet its obligations for the first time in over 200 years unless we go along to cut nutrition for young kids, cut health care for seniors, but the drug companies raise prescription drug cost. no. the answer has to be no. it is a manufactured crisis by the republicans. they are threatening to wreck the economy unless we enact painful cuts on health care, education and were not going to

go along with end. the united states has to meet its obligations as we always have them can have a debate going forward. host: you probably didn't heard from speaker mccarthy from a speech on wall street this past week -- you probably heard from speaker mccarthy firm his speech on wall street. want to play you that speech and get your response. [video clip] >> in the past two years discretionary spending in washington has exploded by more than 17%. that is faster than gdp growth or even inflation. keep in mind, the new spending does not include the trillions of dollars of covid area spending. from 2011 to 2021 the federal government operated under spending caps. these calves would occasionally raise that limit negotiation and was largely a success.

discretionary spending flatlined and overall spending slowed dramatically. our legislation accomplishes the same goal by returning the federal government to 2022 levels. limit the growth of spending over the next 10 years of 1% annually. host: that is the justification for speaker mccarthy. guest: none of that has anything to do with the debt ceiling. the united states has paid a -- has paid its obligations since the war of 1812. it is why the dollar is the bedrock currency of the world. republican leadership -- for the republican leadership to dangle the credit the united states and threatened a catastrophe if we do not do they want is irresponsible. if the united states were to --

interest rates would spike, it would hurt small businesses, hurt homeowners, hurt working people retirement savings, which is not as large as it should be to begin with. for them to hold a gun to a head that stays economy is irresponsible and reckless -- the united states economy is irresponsible and reckless. when it comes to spending, we can have a debate through the regular budget process about what the revenue and spending of federal government should be. that is the way it is always been done. we debate budget articles and listen, republicans have majority in the house, they can bring forward any budget they want but to bring the debt ceiling into it is irresponsible and unnecessary. they are trying to manufacture a fake crisis but working people can get hurt as a result with spiking interest rates, taking

stock market and a slower economy. the president and democratic leadership are exactly right on this. should pass the debt ceiling increase as we have in recent years under both democratic and republican presidents and then have a debate about the budget. host: from your previous career as general treasury, what you think of this idea of less spending by government? guest: if republicans were a series of less spending they would die serious of less spending they will support the plan for expanded negotiation between federal government and pharmaceutical companies. president biden reduces the deficit by my hundred billion dollars over 10 years -- $900 million over 10 years just by expanding negotiations the medicare medicaid. in contrast, republicans are not only saying they're going to oppose that a savings, there are also going to try to rollback inflation reduction act which

gave the federal government limited ability to negotiate with drug companies. if republicans were serious about this they would join democrats in supporting, allowing the federal government to negotiate with drug companies which are stated millions of dollars -- which was saved billions of dollars. also making sure the wealthiest people in this country pay their fair share. elon musk and that jeff bezos are not appearing their fair share to the book of the possibility of paying federal obligations ball on the middle class. democrats have real idea how to reduce spending and close the deficit. president biden budget goes a long way to accomplishing both of those things. understand republicans have of their ideas and we should debate both ideas but

with order and not a manufactured debt ceiling atomic bomb looming in the background. host: representative seth magaziner our guest. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. alex is uppers in washington, d.c. your own with our guest. caller: i think it is naive to think the american people do not separate their debt discussion from this funding discussion, it spray clear it is for political reasons. -- it is pretty clear it is for political reasons. what are your colleagues in the house, he did a hearing and suggested it was acceptable for people in our intelligence community to withhold information because he did not agree with his position on china

at the time. that is not how our democracy is supposed to function. just take the message to him. we need to make sure that people are sending the information up to their elected officials and not withholding it, because my disagree with the applications of what they are finding. guest: thank you for the caller. i've not seen those comments. i know getting to the root causes of the covid-19 virus is an issue that is bipartisan support on the hill. both chambers of congress recently passed legislation to declassify information about the origins of covid-19 and i'm glad to see both parties taking it seriously. on the debt ceiling i will say

again the difference between taking a look at your household budget, deciding if you need to make adjustments going forward and saying i'm not going to pay the credit card bill have already incurred. if you do not pay the bills you incurred there are consequences. it hurts your ability to get a mortgage. it is the same with the federal government. have a debate about what the budget could look like going forward, it is reasonable but that should not be tied to whether or not we honor the obligations we have already made in the past. we are risking financial calamity if we fail to do something. host: lisa in kentucky, democrats line. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i think this happened in 2013. a lot state parks around the nation close and of that year we had gone to the national park

and we noticed how much of the prices went up after it reopened pressing lost revenue. i believe president biden did say do not negotiate the debt limit right now because it should not be negotiated but he will talk to republicans when it comes to the next fiscal budget. why they so afraid to do that? guest: i think you're right and i thank you for the call and for supporting our national parks which are american treasures. in any negotiations the way it is to work two size put out their plans and they get together and try to reconcile those two plans. president biden put out his budget plans weeks ago and i think it has good things in it. things republicans may disagree with it, that is ok. the republican leadership has not come out with their own budget plan.

one of the reasons is there math does not work. were they look at what the cuts are there are things that will be harmful and unpopular with the american people. the fact that they never willing to put the idea that wealthiest people in this country need to pay their fair share, is off the table, hurts their ability come out with the budget. the president is right on this. he's open to negotiating on the budget so our house democrats but republicans need to show us their plan. show us your budget planning. we have ours. we can have a real negotiation. speaker mccarthy and republican leadership have put themselves into a corner by making big promises they cannot keep. caller: we have a viewer of a twitter saying in what areas would you approve to reduce the need for debt ceiling talks, if

there is no reduction the debt ceiling will need more expanding? guest: democrats have ideas to reduce spending, expanding medicare medicaid which take up a huge share of the federal government, expanding the ability to negotiate with drug companies. it will save consumers money is an essay the federal government money by lowering prescription -- and to save the federal government money by lowering prescription cost. any large organization to negotiate -- at a negotiated. if we negotiate with companies that provide our copy machines to get the best possible price, why would not do the same thing for any other product the government buys? that will save hundreds of billions of dollars that democrats are supporter of -- support of. we need to take a look at what the right places to prior tories our defense spending.

-- prioritize our defense spending. making sure we support our nato allies for ukraine and their war against russia. there may be areas for the pentagon does not meet certain spending and congress should take a hard look at that. to me, it is criminal in this country a people -- country with people paying lower tax rates the middle-class americans because most of their and come the high end comes from investment earnings and not the regular salaries. investment earnings should not be taxed at a lower rate than regular middle-class salaries. having a fairer tax code, that allows the wealthiest to pay their fair share, something that can go a long way to closing the deficit and restoring fairness to our system. host: daniel in virginia, republican line.

caller: good morning. your guest mentioned before about going back we pay back our debt to 1812. the federal government has is hands in more than they did then in 1812. do you think there is a case for federalism? we might be better off of got back to allowing states and localities to do things federal government has taken over like health care and medicare. why does it have to be done at the federal level? you mentioned fair share. please define for me what exactly is fair share. it seems to me it is what you wanted to mean at any given time.

guest: to me a fair share means people who are at the very high-end should not be paying less taxes or lower taxes than working people. i support president biden placed to not raise taxes on any american making less than $400,000 a year. the middle class in this country is tax enough. we should look at tax relief for middle-class and working people in this country. on the other hand, at the high-end you have millionaires and billionaires who make most of their income not from working for a salary, but from passive income, from unrealized gains on their investments. we still tax capital gains at a lower rate in this country the salaried income. that is fundamentally unfair. it is something we need to take

a harder look at. the budget the president put out has ingesting ideas. the priority should not be looking just that traditional salaries and come but -- income but the huge wealth them as because capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than salaries. host: use over the natural resource committee. your thoughts on the below project in alaska -- willow project in alaska and water limits in arizona and california and other states. what do you think about those decisions? guest: the biden administration has a strong track record for the environment. the passage of the inflation of

the inflation reduction act which in addition to adding provisions to load drug prices include historic investments to judges in our country to affordable -- transitions our country to affordable because you just need to clean energy will help -- transitioning to clean energy will help make us energy independent, help us meet our clement goals and lower cost -- climate goals and lower costs for consumers. in rhode island we make big investments in offshore wind which not only lowering emissions but also saving rates on electric bills. in general, the biden administration has been strong on claimant, strong of the environment in generally, these are complicated issues and are always nuances but on the whole, we need to build on the momentum

of the inflation reduction act last year and continue to lean in to make this energy transition. host: epa sent to put out new emission standards. it will probably move people to more electric vehicles. what do you think of that? guest: i think it is terrific. the demand is there. the demand for electric vehicles now there are waitlist. helping auto manufacturers, in u.s. the ramp up production is a good thing. if we want to reduce emissions, reducing emissions in the way we produce power is one important piece of the puzzle, that is the -- inflation reduction act also dealt with. we can create good american jobs in making this transition and save consumers money. host: editors of "wall street

journal" on the electric vehicle front said this, democrats and automakers say ebr the future but why does the government had to them. the administration transitions can -- is being done in reducing co2 emissions but will have no effect on the climate adding climate is the critical cultural to make industries and encourage americans to do what progressives wants. guest: they fail to mention that there are dozens of subsidies on the books of the fossil fuel industry, many of which have existed for decades. traditional vehicles and conditional energy have not been subsidize is wrong. often the case that when a new industry is just starting out, that operate at a loss for some time as they wrap up their production.

helping the auto industry make that transition and move there simply line over to ev's in a cost-effective way something that will pay dividends for our country and economy in the long run. we do not want to lose out china and other countries around the world who are also making huge investments in electric vehicles an alternative energy. we do not want those jobs to go overseas. we want those jobs here in the united states. it is why making it easier for consumers to choose to purchase electric vehicles is also a good thing. we are not talking about a mandate. for not talking about were not allowed to buy -- we are not talking about you are not allowed to buy a gas powered car if you want to but if you want to buy electric vehicle we want to make it easier and people that choice. host: in nevada on the

independent line. hi. caller: good morning. thank you for your time. i would like -- i want to ask you -- i do not believe there is democrats or -- there is a democracy in washington. if you are a millionaire, if you on many houses and make a lot of money and if you would forgo a part of your salary to make the american people feel like we are representative? do you believe it is democracy when a waitress -- and 45 years old. i work in an industry necessary in the pandemic and i may never have home. that's a look at your kids.

do you really believe your representative democracy? guest: we got to make it easier for working people to run for office, to hold office in this country. congress unfortunately right now does not look like the united states. does not like the united states in terms of racial and gender diversity, and economic diversity. we have to change that. there are a lot of things we can do. campaign reform is one, making it so that you do not have to raise millions of dollars to win a congressional election. when you look at public financing elections -- we need to look at things like public financing elections. we need stronger ethical rules. one of the first bills i signed onto when i came here was the bill to prohibit members of congress from trading individual stock. members of congress have access

to too much inside information and should not be allowed to benefit financially from that information. we need to break down barriers to make it easier for our government to look more like the population we serve. i support reforms to do that. host: harvey in georgia. democrats line. caller: good morning. i hope you are well congressman. i want to highlight what happened to me, which i think illustrates what happens to working people versus people who are much better off. i am 81 years old and i took social security at 62 years old because of a situation. if i had chosen to work, at 62 years old, a dollar for a dollar

would have been taken out of my money so it did not pay unless i made a lot of money. as i have friends making 200,000 from passive income and real estate, their money would not have been tax. so you have two people, one of making 300,000 who could have collected social security and not been penalized. a working man working with his hands, if you take social security at 62 is penalize. that is the type of thing people ought came about. guest: that is an important point. you are right. that goes back to my larger point that when our tax system and our benefits like social

security were created in the new deal era that meant most people made most of their money in salary and comes. -- salary incomes. nowadays the richest people in our country make their money from investments, not salary. our tax close have not kept up with that new reality. we need to make sure that -- it should not matter whether you make your money may salary or investments, the tax system should be the same. you should pay the same taxes either way and be entitled to the same benefits either way. i 100% agree with the point you are making and it is something we need to address. host: the bills being debated today on the house floor and will band transgender girls and women from competing in will miss athletics team, where do you stand on that issue?

guest: every child deserves to have the opportunity to participate in sports. sports or character building. they teach teamwork -- sports are character building. they teach teamwork. i also think the decisions around eligibility for one sport or one team versus another our decisions that are best made at the local level, bite leagues -- by leagues and school districts. i find a disturbance some of my colleagues on the right think singling out in bullying transgender and lgbtq kids will help them politically and we we know that transgender youth disproportionately have suicidal thoughts and are more likely to take their lives already.

we should not be bullying them or singling them out in this way. i think congress should not lean into this. this should not be congressman's job to decide which kids are allowed to play on which team. that should be up to leagues, schools, and parents. the highly competitive leagues like the ncaa and international elements committee already have policies dealing with them. that they came out with over the last couple years. this is not an area congress needs to get involved. host: seth magaziner's first time on this. thank you. in a half hour from now, we will be talking with south carolina republican nancy mace amongst these issues and many as long sitting abortion. open forum. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000.

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service. judges and justices are entrusted by the american people to serve and administer equal justice under the law. that is why taxpayers, and not billionaire donors, fund judicial salaries, courthouses and operations. judges have a responsibility to put service to others ahead of their own personal self-interest. the contact revealed that pro-public it is reporting pose a much different story. it shows justices accepting secrets, ladders, luxury trips and real estate purchases from a wealthy donor with interest is affected by the court -- with interest affected by the court. this is conduct we cannot tolerate. we certainly should not tolerate it in the highest courts of the land. the supreme court needs to clean up its act and fast. row our history ethics scandals

at every level of government have inspired reform. congress has repeatedly put laws governing the house and senate to ensure there is transparency and exposure for the trips we take and donations we receive. we have a code of official conduct we must follow and ethics committees that provide guidance and oversight to our activities. these committees can launch an investigation and penalize misconduct when it occurs. congress also passed numerous laws that affect the federal judiciary including the supreme court. past appropriation bills each and every year to cover their paychecks and the operations of our courthouses. the enacted financial disclosure laws like the ethics in government act and recusal laws like 286455 that applies to all federal court judges including supreme court judges. we have long known their current

ethics standards for the highest court in the land. host: you can see more on our website at c-span.org and the c-span now app. reginald in ohio, democrat line. caller: i am calling to comment on the social security. good morning to you. i retired in 2021, and the social security i took at 65 goes back two years. is there anyway we can contact someone about this issue, because we are living off social security and now they're are taking it away? i wanted to make a comment but i missed the congressman you had on. it is just ridiculous how they do people on social security. they take the money you worked for all your life because of

medicare, they say. it is called armor. maybe you can have someone on in the future to talk about this situation because it is really hurting the person living off social security. they go back two years and take the money away from you. that was my comment. host: johnny in florida. independent line. hello. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am well, thank you. how about yourself? caller: good. the congressman said that there is a -- on electric vehicles. that is not go with what tesla did. they dropped the price 20%. i wanted to ask a question, with all these congressman, what causes inflation? we have a lot of big bills come through congress the last two years and they all have a bunch of money on them.

i am seeing it down in florida. prices are still going up. in you. host: margaret -- mary on the independent line in michigan. hello. caller: good morning. i wanted to talk about the fox news. i have worked in a care home and we had 20 stations. this started years ago. we had to limit that the patient's could not listen to rush limbaugh because it created such a problem between our patients. recently, within the last two years, we have had families and employees that we have had to limit fox news being on the tv channel. i used to watch 5 when i got

home. one day, they made a joke about a kill shot for dr. fauci during the height of the pandemic and jesse waters thought that was funny. a young man with a bunch of guns in his car drove from california to washington, d.c. to kill dr. fauci. after that, i never turned that channel on again. i was horrified that a news station was say something. host: margaret in florida, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. your guess you had previously mentioned the trends -- your guess you had on previously mentioned the transgender bill. i am so against transgender participating in girls and women's sports. if you are a biological male, you should not be in any and.

we have a family member that participated in swimming from the time she was five to the time she got a scholarship. she won her state championship. this was 30 years ago. we did not have to deal with this 30 years ago but now i do not know. it is wrong. i cannot believe the ncaa does not do anything about it. there is no way leo thomas should be in the locker room with females. did you have a question? host: i was going to move on but go ahead and finish your statement. caller: it is just -- it sets women's sports back so many years. if you look at swimming, times, look at the men's times and

women's times. the men's times are so much shorter. leo thomas -- leah thomas cannot participate in the men's but she took first place in the women's. that is wrong. host: there is a transgender bill that would prevent transgender women from her spitting in girls and women sports. on the senate side, consideration of the fire grants and safety act including those on amendments. when it comes to president biden, he will travel to maryland to make remarks on the economy. you can watch for all of this to play out on our c-span networks. you can go to c-span now and c-span.org. angel in portland, indiana. democrat line. caller: i agree with the last color 100%.

i think it is sexism at its finest. i see trans women being celebrated -- sorry, i had a brain aneurysm so i need to collect my thoughts. they are being celebrated but where are the transmission who are biological women? we are being shown as women, period, biological women that men are better at being women then women are at being men. this is sexist. it is 100% sexist. i do not see a transmission -- a trans man being celebrated. why is that? host: that was angel in indiana. on the senate side across -- of congress, they are talking about what is happening with senator dianne feinstein. republicans yesterday prevented senate majority leader chuck

schumer from temporarily replacing senator feinstein who has been absent since february while recovering from shingles on a panel with a democrat. senator graham rejected saying it would allow them to "pass on a handful of judges that i think should never be on the bench." this leaves them with a loss at how to move on without the tie-breaking vote. this is making financial conflicts of interest in against the simple -- a consistent cream court with clarence thomas in her absence. canton, illinois, republican line. caller: your last caller talked about people standing in line to buy electric vehicles. they also talked about people on the keystone pipeline who will

get tremendous green energy jobs. they are still looking. it takes 80% of the powers to make electric vehicles that come from fossil fuels. how in the world do you make these cars -- how do you make electricity without coal? they will shut the coal industry down, yet they will have to have all this electricity for these vehicles. it is insanity at best. the carmakers who went along with this conventional wisdom and invested tens of millions of dollars into electric vehicles are going to lose thereabouts. how do we get rare earth minerals for ev batteries without mining? we are shutting mining down. do you think the democrats would allow someone to open up mining places to get these rare earth vehicle batteries?

we are paying $.60 a gallon in some places for fuel tax. where is the tens of billions of dollars going to come from when we do away with field tax -- fuel tax? host: you heard from senator durbin on the senate floor regarding justice thomas and concerns. it was in dissent where the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also asked about the. here is part of his response. [video clip] >> do you have any comments on the reports of the hospitality justice there is thomas received -- justice clarence thomas received and you plan to hold a hearing on the ethics of the supreme court? >> the supreme court and the court system is a whole separate part of our constitution. the democrats, it seems to me, spent a lot of time criticizing individual members of the court

and going after the core institution. for example, a counterpart went over in front of the supreme court and called out two of the supreme court justices by name and threatened them with some kind of reprisal. i do not know what kind. if they ruled the wrong way in case he cared about. the attorney general seemed to be largely unconcerned with security issues around the homes of supreme court members. i have total confidence in the chief justices of the united states to deal with these court internal issues. host: larry in minnesota, democrats line. caller: i'm here to talk about the debt ceiling. a policy that was passed in the past is in violation of the constitution. i directing you to the 14th amendment, section four, first sentence.

the u.s. must pay its bills. which makes the debt ceiling policy totally illegal under the constitution. host: kurt in florida. good morning. republican line. caller: i wondered if you have anything to say or anything i should know about the automakers. i have heard or seen something that they are going to be taking am radios out of the radio systems in these vehicles. i hope they do not do that. i always listen to my major-league baseball on am radio. this is something i certainly do not want them to be doing. if anybody can make a comment on that if they have heard about that or yourself. host: kurt in florida calling in. one of the announcements from the white house is how much the president and the first lady

paid in taxes. just to show the headline. 580 -- $580,000 according to their tax founding. he reported an income of 610,000 plus dollars. this indicates a drop by roughly 31,000. last year, they pay $137,000 in income tax. a tax rate of 28% compared to 5% in 2021. they also pay delaware income tax and 3139 dollars in virginia because of dr. by his salary -- dr. jill biden's salary. there is more there when it comes to the tax releasing of not only the president but the vice president. if you want to read it there. this is fried in massachusetts

-- let's go to suzanne in south carolina, democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. two things i want to address quickly. for basically the same reason. there is a huge concern for those of us on social security if they should default. not specifically myself but many people survive on social security. it is not a great deal of money. another side of this is, many of us are concerned that we are paying a great deal of money for taxes on social security income that's already seems like we have paid. the social security was the tax and now we are paying taxes on the tax. i think people could survive if they were not having to pay taxes from their social security.

again, the debt ceiling is a huge concern for many people. i was a military wife also. if the military does not get paid, if the u.s. economy is interrupted because the u.s. does not pay its debts, it is going to be horrific. i just hope something can be addressed quickly and get this situated. with the democrats and republicans -- the democrats and republicans need to behave as representatives of the country and deal with this. host: kearns in virginia, republican line. caller: let's go back to the gentleman before about the electric vehicles. host: ok. caller: i have a question. have they planned how much more power plants are going to have to be billed for infrastructure for the power company to supply

all of this electricity? electric vehicles just do not turn themselves. host: ok. kurt in virginia with another question about the electric vehicles. we had several segments of putting recent washington journal's about the epa mandates and what this does overall when it comes to electric vehicles. i devise you to go to the website at c-span.org to find info on those topics. the hill is reporting president biden met with members ahead of a widely respected -- why they expected presidential bid. several from his own state announcing endorsements for former president trump. freshman representative laurel leaf became the third member of congress to endorse ron desantis despite him not officially launching a white house bid, joining thomas massie, republican of kentucky, and chip

roy, republican of texas. axios's website is keeping a number of accounts for the endorsements for members of congress. when it comes to recent counts on the house side, and hundred 26 members not endorsing yet. 40 54 trump. one for nikki haley. nine for president trump. one for tim scott. if you can go there, if you want to keep a running count of the endorsements on the congressional side. vermont next on our independent line. this is charles. caller: good morning. how are you doing? i think everybody has it wrong on their politics. whenever jim attracts -- whenever democrats say climate change, there is no climate change. it is a ponzi scheme. it is weather propaganda. for republicans to fight on

these is crazy. mail in manufacturing voting is what selected joe biden. public kids need to challenge -- republicans need to challenge philadelphia, detroit, fulton county on the mail in fraud. and to challenge them in court. this would stop the request from destroying the country. joe biden is a manufactured president. there is no such thing on -- as climate change. it is just weather propaganda. host: ok. president biden heading to maryland to make comments on the economy. you can watch that on cease network. -- c-span network. caller: good morning. on the transgender question regarding sports, it just occurs to me, why don't trans males have their own team and the

trans-females have their own team and leave the others alone? host: watch for this debate on the house side today. about six minutes left in the open forum. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8002 for independents. the washington times in the papers saying the department of homeland security set to release immigrants. stephen dimon writing for the paper that the department of homeland security is short on the tensions they so they will have to release illegal immigrants to prepare for a short -- for an increase of new ones. they saw thousands more detention beds in the budget. the higher ups in the biden administration rejected this idea. now there is a maximum of 34,000 attention beds. in reality, you cannot fill all

of them because of coronavirus restrictions. the result of this is to release people mr. johnson told the house committee. he hopes to speed up deportations to cut into the release of detainees. on the washington times website if you want to read that story. dennis in cleveland, ohio. republican line. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: good. yes, go ahead. caller: i am a veteran. i have been uaw for almost 30 years. just two quick things. electric cars are the future. for jasper, the guy with rocks in his head, climate change is real. that is a fact. i did not want to believe it but it is real. electric cars are much better. i am looking forward to getting one myself. real quickly, let's people be

who they want to be. and i was growing up, the hatred towards gay people was awful. now it is transgender people. in 20 years, we are going to look back and say, why were we so horrible? that is why everyone is leaving the republican party. try to do something for people instead of making people's lives miserable. host: the wall street journal reporting the atlanta prosecutor investigating the former president donald trump and his allies says self identified alternate electors turned on one another and should not be represented by the same lawyer, providing new details on the criminal probe. in a motion filed on tuesday, the district attorney willis said they recently -- recently filed an unofficial certificate for georgia in 2020. during those, they said someone committed acts in violation of georgia law and warned parties

to additional acts according to the district attorney's office. the filing did not name the person or the democrat that has been investigating donald trump's trying to overturn the election. participants said the electors strategy said it was a lawful move but critics say it was a scheme to subvert the legitimate election. more there if you want to read this on the wall street journal. richard in pennsylvania, independent line. caller: i just wanted to comment on fox news. i was telling my republican brother, who actually has been in office, to stop spreading lies and hate and fear. please be more educated and do not be so desperate that you

think you have to lie and say other news organizations are liars and not to listen to the news. they are still saying -- saying fake news, fake news. i knew from the beginning how they were lying and how they worked. i just wish that republicans would try to be more mature about things, instead of working on people's fear and hate and making people want to kill each other. this is just the fact. i really wish people would see fox news for what it is. i love the station. i have gotten all my information the last five or six years watching this show. i hate to see people, angry people call it that are not educated. host: mike, democrat line, las vegas. caller: i have a simple solution to the assault rifles problem. i think all school age students,

elementary to high school, should boycott schools and do not go to school. the government does not want to keep kids safe so do not go. rather than sit at home, let the kids protest signs and pictures and protests of kids at school. maybe this will hit home. host: thank you for those who participated. up next, we are going to be joined by south carolina republican nancy mace discussing several issues before congress including the medication abortion pill. coming up, next on washington journal. ♪ announcer: if you are enjoying book tv, sign-up for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive the schedule of upcoming programs, author discussions, book festivals and more. but tv, every sunday on c-span 2 or online at booktv.org. television for serious readers.

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representative nancy mace who serve the first district of south carolina. she is the chair of the oversight subcommittee on information, technology, and government information, and a member of the armed services committee. guest: good morning. thank you for having me today. host: you have set a lot over the last few weeks concerning the issue of abortion. but can we start with how you view it personally? guest: i have been a strong voice on this issue for the last few years. i was a state lawmaker in south carolina when different states were doing fetal heart the bills. in 2019, we were the first state in the nation to have a heartbeat bill with exceptions or rape and incest. this is something i have been working on for quite some time before i came to congress. i was raped at the age of 16. i have tried to be as strong a voice as i can for other victims and survivors like myself. when it comes to the issue of

abortion, i am pro-life. i also see the need to find common grounds. in particular after the overturning of roe v. wade. i saw an entire tied change after roe v. wade. not just with pro-choice people and constituents i have in my district but with pro-life folks as well. i have been fighting for exceptions with the rape, incest, life of the mother, and fetal abnormalities that would not allow women to procreate in the future or a factory productivity in the future. to me, it is strange that because i am such a strong advocate on the issues and finding middle ground that i often get attacked for taking the position which is bizarre to me. i have been working on this for a long time. one of the other issues i have been working on since overturning roe v. wade is an issue of access to

contraception. it is something that republicans by and large turned their back on. i was one of eight republicans last summer that voted for a pro contraception bill for women. number one, if we are going to ban abortion in states, have to make forever woman has access to birth control. in south carolina, we have 14 counties that do not have a single ob/gyn doctor so it is more difficult for those women in rural areas not just in south carolina but across the country. just really taking a commonsense approach to this sort of issue. if we are going to force -- ban abortions in states, than what are we doing to improve adoption services? i approved a bill that would show conservatives the family-planning side of things and making sure women have access to adoption services and legal resources, medical resources, prenatal care and health care and monitory resources.

that they know where the resources are if they do have an unwanted pregnancy and want to give their baby up for adoption. what are we going to do with the children unwanted? foster care has to be part of the republican plan especially in states that ban abortion. there all these things we can be doing. nurses, ob/gyn, birthing centers and midwives. there are things that show that we are pro-life but also pro-woman. i am the only one talking about it. it was strange to me. host: the headlines i saw over the interviews you have done is, if you take the middle of the road position, do you think there is an extreme position or party is taking? guest: i think there are extreme cases on both sides. roe v. wade allowed abortions of two birth. not to say that is what was going on everyday but that is what it allowed for.

on the others, you have people that do not want any exceptions for rape or incest or any other reason than. you have people who vocalize publicly they do not want women to have access to birth control. in my home state of south carolina, a few weeks ago, there was 21 state lawmakers that's not only thought about it but drafted and filed a bill that would charge women for murder if they had an abortion. this would be the death penalty in the state of south carolina. some of the things we hear about we have also heard about -- we have also heard about some that want to ban women from traveling out of state. we have article four of the articles of federation that says anyone can cross state lines. some ideas we have heard and percolated not just at the state and local level but to the national level is insane. that is not what is going to win

over female constituents or mail at this point. we are losing support on this issue because of the crazy headlines we see by a very small fraction of people within our party. host: how do you think the current legal status of the abortion drug that is currently at the supreme court has shaded people? guest: speaking out against that ruling was eye-opening for me. you have two opposite rulings. you cannot follow both of them. one has to be ignored. i said this was a handpicked case with a handpicked judge. this is not just an abortion pill but is fda approved and prescribed by women who are suffering miscarriages and want to avoid having surgery. it is also used in cancer treatments and for rare uses. there is a larger part of the story. the other side of it is this activist judge, an elected

judge, made a decision that turned this into a federal judge -- federal ban. the unelected judges should not be making a case against a drug that was processed by the fda 23 years ago. but he used a law called the comstock act in the 1800s that was ruled unconstitutional by the u.s. supreme court in 1983. the basis for the rolling was unconstitutional -- the ruling was unconstitutional. the other thing i want to say is when president trump was president, there were plenty of constituent -- of lawmakers i wanted to ignore activist judges. it should not be surprised that some on either side want to a nor a ruling they disagree with. i want to be a strong voice for common sense and for finding this middle ground. there is a story i want to share

if i have a moment. i get a lot of mail and letters and emails on this issue. although i am in south carolina, my district is the most competitive in the state, very purple. after roe v. wade was overturned, before that we were at very mildly pro-choice. after overturning roe v. wade, our district went to the vast majority, over 60% of residents whatever party were pro-choice. i saw pro-life constituents decided they did not want the heavy hand of government intervening on this very personal and sensitive issue even though they consider themselves pro-life. i got an emailing a few weeks ago from a constituents on this issue who says she's no longer republican because of it and is an independent. she says gestational limits should be 14 weeks. here i am as a pro-life

legislator and talking about a 15-20 week and. democrats are at 24. republicans are at 0, 6, 12 etc. 15-20 is in the middle. many of us agree there should be guardrails and responsible guardrails. we all agree on more than we disagree with. host: we have because lined up for you. representative nancy mace draining us until 10:00. you can call the lines or post a text at (202) 748-8003. democrat, john. go ahead. good morning. caller: good morning, representatives. in a few days ago, an oklahoma sheriff and local officials were recorded putting an assassination attempt on local journalists as well as talking about killing antilynching black.

this after earlier this year we saw a failed republican in new mexico sent hitman to shoot up the houses of local officials there. weeks after nancy pelosi's husband was attacked by a bad man with a hammer based on lies republicans have fed. as these have happens, republicans could have done a lot to quell it by denouncing these actions and the rhetoric that has motivated. but you and your colleagues happen silence, unwilling to speak against violence and the rhetoric. will you hold these violent factors and agitators accountable or slip further into a party we have seen? host: ok, john in maryland. guest: thank you for this question. i have denounced political violence over the years. let's not forget it was steve scalise shot multiple times on the left. i will tell you that republicans

and democrats alike both need to step up and denounce let's go violence happening. to not put on conspiracy theories because we have seen this happen on both sides of the aisle. being a victim of political violence myself, i have had my house spray-painted. my car has been keen. i had two tires slashed last year. i recently had my home vandalized a few weeks ago. once again, i had someone trespassed on my property last year. i live and breathe it every day. i see it from both sides because sometimes it is someone on the far right and sometimes it is someone on the far left who are taking these kinds of actions. it is incumbent upon everyone to take a step back, take a deep breath, and say this kind of thing is wrong. i will tell you, when my house was spray-painted, people even today will go on social media and say i did it to myself which is racy and ridiculous.

both sizing to take a step back and think about the consequences of their words and actions and what this rhetoric actually means and does and the impact it has on people every day. the violence and the rhetoric is terrible and should not happen. every side you denounce when it does. host: louisiana, republican line, lorraine. caller: he started with abortion and it looks like you will be covering different topics but i want to go back to abortion. guest: what ever you want to talk about this morning. caller: i appreciate that. i am amazed i did not know that for 20 years there has been an abortion pill. i just realized that recently. knowing that the majority of women do -- who do abort take the pill, it is no wonder to me that over 63 million abortions

have taken place. my question is, do you have any idea how it is impacting social security? the reason i ask this is because when social security was originated, it was originated on the basis there was 12 workers for every person who would receive social security. now, there is around two or three workers to support social security. i am wondering, how could possibly, may be, the rate of abortion be impacting our problems with social security since we do not have as many people who are contributing to it as originally. now, 63 million people are gone. guest: i am not sure. i do not know what the population impact is on social security. i do not have that data in front of me.

on the pill side, there are two pills that people take in conjunction and it is limited in the timeframe they can take it. it is up to seven to 10 weeks, long before there is a heartbeat. that pill is also prescribed by doctors for women suffering miscarriages so they can number one, avoid getting sepsis, and avoid having to have an invasive surgical procedure as a result of miscarriage. it is also used in cancer treatments and rare diseases. host: representative mace, there is a viewer on twitter who said, "how does a young girl deal with unwanted pregnancy in your concept?" guest: in terms of abortion, that is a decision made with a young woman under age with her family and parents should be involved. there should be a gestational limits. it should not go on for nine months and you be able to have an abortion until birth.

that should not be a thing. looking at gestational limits for anyone who wants to have one, 15 to 20 weeks seems to be the place. if you look at where the sentiment is, that seems to be the range where people are accepting. if you look at socialist europe, if you are allowed to have one, there -- their room is 15 -- 12 to 15 weeks. i think we need to find agreement in the middle. host: alabama, we will hear from richard, independent line. caller: i am a 68-year-old disabled veteran. i am very conservative. but, i don't know if age brings some wisdom or not but there is one thing you cannot do.

you cannot legislate morality. i am dead set against abortion but that is my opinion. i think it is going back to the parents to instill some around t in these children, instead of real -- some variety in these children, instead of relying on the schools. abortion, i do not know the answer. i think we should leave this up to the states but legislating around morality is not the things you should be trying to do. guest: i will tell you that you are not a row -- not alone. when roe v. wade was overturned, i saw this a lot in the district i represented whether they were republicans or democrats, even if he were pro-life, saying they did not want the heavy hand of government to make that decision for someone else. one issue we have within the republican party is if you are pro-life, who are out -- not

obsolete at the government should intervene on day zero or day when then you are not actually pro-life. that urges as a party because there is a lot of opinion on the issue and someone there to be limitations. others who are pro-life to not want government to make the decision for somebody else. that is why it is important for us to have a message for compassion and that can regulate across the country. we are not there right now. host: i want to ask if i couple things including the debt ceiling. you heard speeches from the house speaker. what do you think of its approach? guest: the devil will be in the details. we are still waiting on more information. for the debt ceiling to go up, we have to have budget reform. to think the two are not related is not realistic. for decades, both republicans and democrats have increased the debt and added to the deficit.

they have done this exponentially. under president trump, he added a $20 to our debt. under president biden, he added over $5 trillion to our debt. both sides are responsible. both sides should be held accountable and both sides need to figure out a way forward. i think you can start with discretionary spending and looking at cuts. i would like to see a plan that balances the budget. see it in 10 years instead of five you can do it over the next decade if we are willing to have this discussion. with inflation as high as it is, it is not just spending we have to talk about. you have to curtail spending slightly and lower taxes slightly. those are the things you have to look at. you look at shoring up the supply chain as well but there are a number of things we could be doing in conjunction with the debt ceiling talk and budget reform but do not see us there yet. right now, i will not be supporting the debt ceiling

until i see more information on what this will look like and how we are going to curb the spending that both sides have contributed you in the last few decades. the last time a president bounced the budget was under president clinton. the last time the republican bounced the budget was under president richard nixon. richard nixon was the last time republicans bounced budget -- balanced the budget. host: you said we are not there yet. how much of the party would you characterize as sharing the sentiment? guest: i don't know but i know many of us have more questions than answers. discussion is still ongoing. i do not have the details or the information so i will not support it and spicy implants reform what we have been spending. host: have the speaker or majority whip reached out to you? guest: we had a meeting yesterday talking about the ideas like work requirements for medicaid and snapping options.

there has been high-level discussions. we have multiple families, five different families. you have the freedom caucus, mainstreet caucus, republican governors group, problem solvers, and several different caucuses trying to also put their interests together for the leadership to come out with something that all sides on our side can get behind to get 218 votes to lift the debt ceiling. we have to do this in a bipartisan way. host: representative nancy mace training us. wilhelm, democrat. you are on. caller: i just wanted to let you know, my mother is a u.s. citizen. her medicare got hacked into because some fool let them do that. that is wrong. i have a right.

nobody should discriminate against women. look what they are trying to do. look what that former president -- he has done nothing. he is a businessman. he had casinos in vegas. he needs to stay out in vegas and work in the casino. you do not see them trying to get into the white house. host: ok. ed from rocky hill, connecticut. go ahead. you are on with our guest, representative nancy mace. good morning. caller: how are you doing? i was wondering, what is up with joe biden and the doj and the fbi and the nine biden families taking all this money and nobody wants to investigate except the back of people. -- the maga people. don't they see there is

corruption? it is bigger than the bidens. it triggers to the doj. how are people going to solve this until congress gets straight? this cannot go on like this. they were paying. it seems like china is running our country. what is your opinion? guest: on monday, i was at the treasury department and at the suspicious activity reports. i cannot go into detail about everything i saw because it was confidential but the number of biden billing numbers involved in the suspicious wire transfers and money laundering with so companies and sources of funds are unknown. where the money went is unknown. the amount of money we are talking about is astronomical and the number of people in the family. there is more to investigate. every time we look under the stone, you find more. the oversight committee is taking a lead on these investigations and will be

making things public as we can. there is much more investigation we have to do. we reviewed over 170 suspicious activity reports on monday. some included many shell companies, prostitution rings, and the amount of money was insane. it should be investigated. i don't care if you have an r or d by murnane. i supports investigation of corruption. the american people deserve to know if either side of the aisle is astray. we ought to fix this. host: as he rolled the chair of this subcommittee which deals with technology information -- you rolled the chair of this subcommittee which deals with technology information, what do you think of the leak? guest: once i must've called us many terrorist and the other wants to call the manic hero. we do not know anything. i think we get the first hearing on the investigation today. this may be the largest leak in

recent decades. we ought to have all the facts before become to a conclusion. i want to know who was taking watch. this guy was 21 years old. he had access to all the information and brought it home and took pictures and uploaded it to discord. how did that happen? who was keeping watch? who was in leadership at any level where he was? it is baffling he had access to this much information and no one knew about it. host: arizona, independent line. carl. caller: hello nancy. i am a big fan. how are you doing this morning? guest: good. inc. you so much for calling. caller: i was one of those people like you said earlier. i was a lifelong public can. i am an independent now. you have taken good stances. i feel like you are close we can make you a good one gets. i would love to see that they

raise the capital social security so we can keep it funded for another hundred years. i also think that i am curious, when you're talking about corruption, what you think about jared, the $2 billion from the saudi's and all the patents from china? the thing that i keep trying to tell my conservative friends is already not really think my friends on the left care. if there is corruption, go after it. if they threw hunter biden in jail today, people would say he is a scumbag. i feel like, on the right side, everything is so personal. it is very hot. i've tried to call balls and strikes. guest: i do not know anything about the other deal but i would say that nationally, even with what we are investigating what is going on with the social -- suspicious activity reports, on the other side they are going

after president trump. it is a wash when you look at that. one focus i have over the oversight committee is looking within crops over the federal agency rated we will investigate this in a couple months. things people can understand so we can see what is going on than federal agencies because it is everywhere. host: when it comes to the first 100 days, how would degrade you and your fellow republicans? guest:'s has been a tough first few months. i would like to see us do more that can restrict the senate and be bicameral to get to the president's desk. number one issue facing the american people today is inflation and will continue to be until we can get our act together on spending and taxes and growing the economy and fixing our supply chain. there is some social issues we have to address. abortion is a number two issue for many bellwether areas in the country. that aside the presidency and the white house.

we also have to talk about immigration and crime. teenage gangs are having kids come to school with loaded guns. we have more mass shootings every week. immigration, people coming across thousands by the day illegally. there are a lot of issues facing our country but we are distracted by headlines and twitter and social media and we are not getting as much done as i think we could. i want us to work hard and puts our people first and country first. host: as far as the bills that have been passed in congress, many will not survive the senate. what do you think should go forward and what should speaker mccarthy focus on to get through the senate? guest: things that can help cartel inflation. women's issues is another i have been working hard on. i think we need to address immigration in a way that is sensible, smart, and was constable. there are ways we can do that and these are issues every

american cares about. it impacts everyday life. host: before you go, they are taking a look at transit or athletes for those federally funded sports teams. where are you? guest: i will be voting in favor of that bill and i have one or two amendments. i am a woman who was an athlete going up. i broke many gas -- glass ceilings and i do not want to see biological men take away achievements from women. we created title nice women can have their own but exports competitions and here we are eviscerating title ix and women's achievements in sports and other areas. it is an issue. i am a girl mother and i have a daughter. i want to make sure they are given every opportunity to succeed and it will not be taken away by biological males in sports or otherwise. host: representative nancy mace who serves the first district of south carolina. we thank you for your time. do