>> washington journal starts now. ♪ host: good morning, it is washington journal on monday, may 1. recent polling continues to show

that president joe biden and former president donald trump are the front runners to become their party's nominee in the 2024 presidential contest. polls also show that voters in each party are not sure either man should be running for president again. today, we pose the question to you. in a potential biden and trump rematch, would you support either candidate, or would you prefer someone else? if you are ready to support biden, call us at (202) 748-8000 . if trump is your candidate, dial (202) 748-8001. if you have another person in mind for president, call (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003.

please include your name and where you live. find us on facebook.com/cspan, on twitter @cspanwj and on instagram @cspanwj. i am going to start off by showing you just a few headlines on this topic of a potential trump and biden rematch. there is an nbc news article that says biden versus trump 2024 would be the rematch nobody wants. fox news headline. biden versus trump, americans igh in on possible 2024 rematch. axios headline, most americans do not want biden or trump to run and one more from the guardian, biden versus trump, u.s. is and enthused by likely

rematch of two old white men. all of the articles are referring to the same poll, poll from nbc news. i want to bring up a few results of the poll, it was published last week, april 23. favorability ratings, biden 38% favorability, unfavorable 48%. that is a 10 point deficit for trump, favorable 34% of voters pulled had a favorable opinion of trump, 53% had an unfavorable opinion. that is a 19 point deficit. let us look at the question of should they run. in the question should president biden run for president again,

70% of respondents said no, only 26% said yes. on the same question, should former president trump run in 2024, a little better. 60% of respondents said no, 35% said yes. this is a poll from nbc news that was published april 23. the question is for you. do you think biden or trump would be your pick for president in 2024, or would you support another candidate? call and now, give us your opinions. sheila is calling from georgia, tell us why biden is your choice for this election. caller: he has always been my choice.

the thing about his age is not quite up to it, i watched the correspondents dinner saturday, there is not a thing wrong with him. at all. i've seen some little shots where he has stammered here and there, but don't we all do that from time to time? at his age, i do not have a problem with it. i am 72. the only thing i kind of am worried about -- host: can you explain? caller: they do not give her enough coverage, the media does not, about what she is actually doing. i know this is always been a

problem with vice presidents in news media, but i voted for joe biden. thank you very much. host: let us go to chris in ohio, you are a trump supporter. tell us why. caller: good morning. joe biden has been a politician all his life, donald trump and his family work for a living and i think trump is more qualified than biden because he actually signs checks to people and biden has never done that. he's been a politician all his life. so yes, i am a trump supporter, thank you for taking my call. host: at the next, jim calling from mississippi.

you say there is another candidate you have in mind. caller: good morning. i've never voted third-party, but i feel like this might be the election where i might do that. i voted for biden the last election, but this time around, after the withdrawal from afghanistan which i thousand nightmare -- thought was a nightmare, i feel like andrew yang might be a viable candidate for a third-party run. host: why him? caller: i really like his idea of when he ran last time back in 2020, about universal basic income. that is something we eventually are going to need. but beyond that, i think his forward party has put together

-- it is progressive in a lot of ways. it is more central with a very pro-business attitude, as opposed to the more i guess antibusiness attitude a lot of the left has nowadays. host: thanks for your call this morning. next we have rate in new york state, you say you are undecided. caller: yes, both biden and trump are too old. host: your choices ron desantis, tell us more why he would be your choice. caller: because he didn't outstanding job with florida and i think you can do the same with the country. host: teresa is calling from

columbus, ohio. you say that biden has your support. caller: absolutely. the man has been in congress a long time, he's been able to reach across the aisle and get things done. we have seen things down the last couple of years that he's been president and he has led our country for the world and ukraine, we needed to have that done. the only thing i would ask more for his may get ohio on the map with the few democrats running cities, because we are such a republican run state and it is very disheartening. thank you. host: our question this morning is about a potential biden and

trump rematch, they are leading in the polls. we want to know who you would vote for. let us look at some video, this is former president trump from a campaign event in new hampshire on thursday night. he taps the fact he is leading in the polls and explains why he thinks perspective voters are supporting him. [video clip] >> these polls are amazing, today's important and big emerson poll came out. trumpet 62%, dissent is at 60%, mike pence at 7%. obviously, people are dreaming of energy independence, a strong military like you had. low taxes that are strong, we want strong borders and low taxes, we want low interest rates, we want to be respected throughout the world, not left out. we are left at. somebody said what do you think, he is a very powerful strongman

at the top of his game. the fake news media said how dare you say that? he controls 1.5 million people, he is not at the top of his game. the same thing with other leaders, they are sharp, they are smart, at the top of their game. we are the only one that has one that is not, he never had a top of the game if you go back 25 years. in this week's big poll, another big one, trump is leading by 37 points last week. i do not know if you have seen these things, these are good numbers. makes this job easier. under the clarity campaign poll, a big one, i lead by 45 points at 65% with desantis at 20%, pence at 4% and sloppy chris christie at less than 1%.

which is better than seven years ago on the same stage against me right here in new hampshire, he was less than 1%, he is still less than 1%. he is doing much better, got a big mouth, that is all he's got. host: that was former president trump speaking at a campaign event in new hampshire. the pool he was referring to was conducted by emerson college. i want to go over some of the results of that poll. one of the questions was about biden, the poll says that the share of democratic voters who think that biden should be the nominee was 65%, that was a decrease from 71% from a february poll. 65% of the voters polled said biden should be the nominee. i will scroll down to this.

when presented with other candidates, biden support increased to 70%, kennedy junior , the son of former attorney general was 21% and williamson received 8%. for the republican primary -- this is what trump was referring to -- when put up against other candidates -- potential other candidates, trump received 62% support, ron desantis, the florida governor who has not officially announced, he had a 16% of support. mike pence at 7%, nikki haley at 3%. former governor chris christie 2%, former governor asa hutchinson 2% and about 4%

mentioned someone else. recent polling shows biden and trump leading voters as their respective parties nominees. the question for you come are you prepared to support biden or trump, or would you prefer someone else? if you think biden should be president, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8000. if you think trump deserves to return to the white house, call us at (202) 748-8001. if you support another candidate or think another candidate should be president, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8002. the next caller is dennis from garden city, michigan. you are a biden supporter. caller: i am. you know, i prefer may be

somebody else to run that is a little younger for democrats, but the republican party with trump, i cannot support them at all. they have no credibility. they did not believe election results. he is murdered and all kinds of legal issues and -- he is in all kinds of legal issues and he is not a businessman because he channeled these bankruptcies, all kinds of legal issues. how many lawsuits he has had over his lifetime. he has no credibility, he does not do the u.s. any good. he's divided the nation more so than any other time since probably the civil war. that is my opinion. host: let us go now to north carolina, donna is on the line. you say that trump should become

president again. caller: absolutely. this guy goes nonstop, age is not a factor with this guy. he gets things done. if any of the listeners deny that trump didn't get things done that he promised -- i do not know where they are getting their news, but this guy is not a politician, he is a businessman. sometimes a lot of people do not like him because of how he looks or his attitude. but sometimes you need to someone with his personality to get things done and he has shown as he has lived up to his promises, he is probably the most healthiest man out there as far as a politician. if you are polling on age, that is not an issue with trump. he has got my vote, hands down. host: let us go to dan from

michigan, tell us who you would support in the 2020 for election . caller: i would prefer john casey, is who i'd like to see. i voted for joe biden last time, i voted for donald trump the time before. i would never really favorite joe biden for president, it was more of a against donald trump last time. this time coming up, i really do not want to see the country going more progressive. i did not want to see donald trump back in there. he did some good things, i will

admit that. but he did a lot a very damaging things. january 6 is the bottom line for me for donald trump. i would like to see somebody not extreme right or not extreme left. there is another guy in the republican party, i keep forgetting his last name. his name is don, i believe he is a representative at the time. don bacon. i like that guy, too. that is where i am at. host: appreciate your call. next, we have sonja in maryland, you are a biden supporter. caller: i am.

i wish people would stop talking about his age and look at the things that he can do and the things he has done. people are saying we do not want trump, we want biden. biden is a very good president, you must remember we have a house of representatives and we have senators, biden does not do all of this by himself. if we had control of the other areas, we could get more done. people do not seem to understand it is not a biden country and it was not a trump country. we have a constitution and we try to abide by it, and i think biden is a very good president. i think we should support him. who else are you going to get right now? stop talking about the age thing, look at what he has done and what he wants to finish doing, let us go from there and stop complaining about the age.

host: let us hear from lauren from washington, who is your choice for 2024? caller: i would entertain a different candidate. it will depend on who runs and on who is still around when it comes around to my state for voting in the primary. this seems more prospect for an alternative candidate in the republican party then the democratic party, so it is likely i would pick a candidate like ms. cheney, if she ran.

pence if he runs, chris christie, if he runs. those would probably be my top choices. there are democrats i have liked , but someone has to choose to run. in the general election if biden and trump are the candidates, i will not vote for trump or biden. i will pick a third-party or independent candidate, libertarian or joe manchin or someone else. support someone else in the general election. host: tell us why you cannot support either biden or trump in the upcoming election. caller: well, they are both kind

of men that i do not want to be a part of seeing that shaped part of making president. or president again. my concern with biden is not his age. i am a little disappointed that people talk so much you know, the people who could be opposing biden for more physical reasons are talking about his age, it may be a problem. but i did not approve of biden -- i remember the first time he ran for president, he withdrew

after a sort of scandal and i remember that. i am disappointed other people do not seem to remember. it had to do is making a speech in which she lied about what his parents did for a living, now it seems to have turned out he was doing it because he was plagiarizing the speech of a british politician who had a parents. i just thought that was -- it is not good to lie, it is very odd to lie about that. then some of his other behavior has been concerning and audit. some sexual misbehaviors.

film, of course, does not -- he has said quite a few untrue things. biden has said quite a few, too. if you watch the fact checker, biden regularly -- he is the more credible liar than trump, said in a way, he is more dangerous. host: appreciate your call this morning. we want to hear from you, biden and trump lead in the polls, but who is your choice for the 2024 election?

david in new york, you say trump. tell us why. caller: i believe that right now, trump is probably leading biden because there's been a lot of red herrings in the democratic party that are trying to support issues that are not really constitutional issues, they are trying to make it like it is. they are getting supporters that do not own anything, they do not have everything, yet they are voting to release the taxes, whether it is on the rich or middle class or redistribution of wealth. they are keeping the borders open so they can get possibly votes, i believe. i think they are not closing them for a reason. i believe that shutting down the energy hurts the supply chain,

hurts the trade, hurts home heating, hurts our gas, hurts everything. i also believe it is kind of unconstitutional for the government to partner with the private sector and i do not know which job he wants to finish and i am not sure which job he started. starting something to shut down the borders, i do not see any movement on that. i do not see any movement on getting more oil into the reserves that he took out, i do not see anything with prices going down. they are going up. the food at the grocery store is going up and wages are not. a lot of the things he says are not coming true in the only other option is to vote for somebody who wants to go against what they are going for. host: david in oakdale, new

york. the next caller is in fort worth, texas. james is calling on the biden line. caller: good morning, i am a biden supporter. when donald trump came down the excavator -- escalator avenue there barack obama's birth certificate -- i will never vote for a white supremacist. he is not only a liar and misogynist, but he is dishonest. he is a natural criminal. if truth be told, he would be in prison over the tax issues -- my property is worth this much when i am selling it and this much wind i am getting insured on it, this much when i am doing this or that. mar-a-lago came from the russians at $.10 on the dollar. we have a president hopeful who is aligned with the communists. if you want a racist and

communist in the white house, vote for trump. i cannot see it. i am a vietnam veteran, i took a lot for this country. my generation is the generation that fought the war and most of us did not come home with our minds and bodies intact. donald trump did not do anything. so there you go. host: kevin is calling from new jersey on the trump line, you are on. caller: nice to talk to you. donald trump is not a nice person, let us face it. but the guy gets things done and he is going to win the republican nomination. he is not going to win the general election unless he has nikki haley as vice president, because the democrats will put

out the hollywood tapes months before the day of the election and if he does not have a woman as vice president -- nikki haley would be an excellent president of donald trump died in office. not only that, she is the type of person that would tell donald trump stop when he goes off the rails. that is what i want to see. we have to straighten this country out and as good as ron desantis is and some of these other people they are talking about, they will not straighten this country out right now. with the energy problem, the border problem the ukraine problem -- none of this would have happened if trump was president. host: next all

from massachusetts, carol. go ahead. caller: good morning. i would not vote for trump or biden. i would hope some other candidate steps forward so we have a choice. i like a lot of the things that trump did, but he has so much baggage as he is very unpredictable and his reputation with things that are not related to the presidency are very questionable. i do not like the way the country is going with biden in charge, i think the country has gone downward and i do not think that biden is running the country. i think barack obama and susan rice are telling him what to do. be aware that when biden says he is going to run this country or run for reelection, he will. if he does, if he wins by any

chance, what he is going to do is step down and kamala harris will be president. that is how they are going to get a woman president of color to be president of the united states and she will continue on the path that biden has taken, which has not been good with inflation, recession, open border and all of the things happening to this country that are not that good. barack obama and susan rice are behind the plan, too. biden is just a puppet president who can spend way too much money and taxpayers are going to be paying for it, middle-class paying for his spending spree over and over again. i do not like either candidate. we need a newer generation with fresh ideas and have a better understanding of technology in artificial intelligence. biden does not understand any more than i do.

host: have a good day. let us go to pennsylvania, william on the biden line. caller: hello, good morning. i have a lot of respect for what president biden and vice president harris are doing. the economy is not all on the president. it is congress and the senate that are responsible for what is going on with inflation and the spending. you cannot put everything on the president of the united states for what is going wrong.

the blame has to go to congress. for many years, i was a republican, until 2016. i did not like mr. trump at all. from his show, the way he treats people, puts people down. especially people that have learning disabilities and special needs, he is very disrespectful to them. he is disrespectful to goldstar families. he is disrespectful to other raises -- races, the chinese, the way he treats people is pathetic. all of these legal issues that mr. trump is involved with. i think he is going to have a hard time finding someone to be

his vice president because of the way he treated mike pence. if a republican is to become president, i would like to see mike pence come back into office. i think he can turn things around if that was to be. host: we appreciate your call. this is the new dnc ad airing nationally on msnbc and running locally on stations in swing states, including arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada, pennsylvania and wisconsin. [video clip] >> as the sun rises, we raise the flag. a symbol of all we hold most dear as americans.

courage, opportunity, democracy, freedom. the values and beliefs that built this country and beat in our hearts. they are under attack by an extreme movement that seeks to overturn elections, ban books and eliminate a woman's right to choose. joe biden has made defending our basic freedoms the cause of his presidency. the freedom for women to make their own health care decisions, the freedom for children to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to vote and have your vote counted, for seniors to live with dignity and give every american the freedom that comes with a shot at building a good life. at small towns and big cities, we raise our heads, eyes and hearts for america, for the idea of this great country. joe biden is running for reelection to make certain that the sun will not set on this flag, the promise of american democracy will not break.

>> democracy will not be a partisan issue, it is an american issue. i will defend our democracy with every fiber of my being and i am asking every american to join me. >> for freedom, for democracy, for america. joe biden. >> i am joe biden and i approve this message. host: that was an ad from the democratic national committee supporting president joe biden's reelection running in swing states, including arizona, pennsylvania and wisconsin as well as nationally on msnbc. we are talking today about the 2024 election. trump and biden are leading in the polls. our question for you is who do you support? if you support biden, call (202)

748-8000. if trump is your candidate, call (202) 748-8001. if you would prefer another candidate, your number is (202) 748-8002. before we go back to the phone lines, i want to bring up some text messages have received. this is from dave in florida, he writes that trump is widely known to be a criminal and never pays contractors or lawyers, biden is too old but democrats could run a suitcase full of lizards and they would win against trump or desantis. chip from colorado says i would like to see two different candidates, i would like to see ron desantis run against the governor of california, gavin newsom. been in illinois since i am an independent who wants to return to the gop as soon as their party returns to sanity.

i will not vote for trump or a trump light candidate, such as desantis. if between biden and trump, my vote would go to biden without question. ideally, i would like to vote for liz cheney for president. one more from richard, who lives in the villages in florida. i wrote in mcdaniels in 2016 and 2020, and will in 2024 if biden and trumper candidates. the two-party primary system is a complete failure. right now on the line is thomas in north carolina, you are a trump supporter. tell us more. caller: when he was in office, we had the lowest unemployment rate. look at the price of gas, i could go on and on. biden since he has been in

office, the democrats had the house in the senate. nothing went down except my 401(k), i lost thousands and thousands of dollars. all these democrats calling supporting biden, call in 2030 and see how you think about paying $70,000 for electric cars , because gas prices what lee's be 10 to $15 for me who do not want an electric car. look at all of the stuff biden and his son have done in china, that will come out. hunter biden selling paintings in the white house, if that was trump, the media would be going crazy. trump made mistakes, we all make mistakes. but we had lowest unemployment, look at gas prices. for 18 months, not one single soldier was killed in afghanistan. if you want an electric car and you have $70,000 to pay it, vote

for your man biden. trump will overturn that the first day he gets back in office. host: let us go to arizona, dirk is on the line. caller: thank you. i found the patriotic ad for biden to be very funny, he is the most anti-american president . i cannot believe how anti-american his administration is. i did vote for obama in 2008, so i am not racist or against democrats, but they have lost me with their agenda. he's the most anti-american president, the media with the help destroying america with the antiwhite people agenda, it is bizarre. they have not done anything, inflation can be tied to biden. he went after oil companies day

one. go after the thing that keeps the economy rolling. they have done so much crazy stuff, nothing to help out social security. the border crisis is being done intentionally. anyone but biden, desantis is a little too far right, trump is too divisive. he did a better job than biden has. just in general, you know. host: i think we lost you, but appreciate the call. let us go to connecticut, peggy is on the biden line. caller: good morning. i am voting for president biden, i believe in the sanctity of human life and he showed during the pandemic he was here to save us.

he knew ahead of time. the sustainable energy we need to look forward to the future, people right now think of their 401(k), they think about gas prices, they think of a electric car prices. it is ridiculous. biden took us into a reality that does not exist, only in his mind. people fail to realize that we need to get the rich to pay taxes. we need to do that so our debt limit would help. i worked three jobs all my life, 72 years old. two jobs, then three for three years. i do not have anything against

paying my taxes. it is the working class that keeps our government going and we have got a lot of people on social security disability that use the system, that is all in the red states, to be honest with you. then the right to life, no. i do not believe in abortion, but if my 14-year-old daughter got raped, i will make that decision for her. people do not realize what it would do to a woman's mind to carry that child emotionally and physically. this is absurd. it is between the woman and god, that is it. why should i worry about the ways somebody else lives their life? it is how you live your life on

earth, dov decides whether you share it life with him, trump does not practice any religion. and i am not throwing religion out there, but you have to have a salvation. they failed to look at america, it's fundamental foundation is about humanitarian values. this is why we keep the borders open. not that we don't have enough problems here, but this is about life. if i was in a country that if i stayed there i was going to get killed, i would rather die trying to go to the nearest border to save myself and my family. it is ridiculous that these presidents, all they concentrate is the 401(k) for gas prices.

you have a choice here. host: we are going to have to move on, we appreciate your call. let us go to ron calling from michigan on the trump line, go ahead. caller: i am definitely going to vote for trump, biden has not done anything but destroyer country. i think it is on purpose. you do not open the borders and let 6 million people crossover and put them on state benefits and food stamps and give them money. america is in decline for the last three years, at least 20 trump was in there he put america first. -- when trump was in there he put america first. that is what we need to do, worry about americans, not the planet.

the non-issue of global warming and all the scrap. get real. the planet is going to change, the climate is going to change. no matter what we do, how we live our lives, the planet's rotation this what climate we have, not what we do. burning oil, burning gas. i want to be able to live a life not controlled by the government and at least donald gave us a choice of how we wanted to live, i will leave it at that. host: the next caller is john from pennsylvania, you say that desantis is your choice for president.

we cannot hear you very well, can you speak up a little more? >> [inaudible] host: i really want to hear from you, you are the first desantis collar, but we cannot hear you. john is going to have to call us back. janice in ohio on the biden line, go ahead. caller: i am going to vote for joe biden. he has done a lot, he's done a lot for nato. i am going to vote for joe biden. he has done a lot for nato, he

has got all these countries willing to fight for freedom, does anybody remember world war ii? my dad served in that, he served in france and the philippines. does anybody remember that? now, we have gotten nato, we've got to surround them. you think china is bad for us? you think russia isn't bad for us? when trump had a talk with boudin for two hours, when he was over there with putin, what

did he say? does anybody know? no, they do not know what he said. he went there without an interpreter. do not tell me they do not know what he said. i did not like that. we have been taught all her lives at school that russia is our enemy. host: that was janice in ohio. let us go to wisconsin, karen, you say you would like a different candidate. who would that be? caller: i would probably vote for kennedy, if he makes it. i am from that era, i was nine when president kennedy died.

anybody who votes for biden knowing he is not in his right mind and is not capable of running this country needs to think about voting for him. he is not capable of being a president anymore. people need to stop and think about, do you want to vote for somebody that does not have -- it is not his fault, it is just age. they need to put an age limit on when you can run for senate presidency or even supreme court. that is all i have to say. host: i want to bring up on the text messages we received, this is from mary allen in maryland. i will be voting for robert kennedy, junior and i hope the dnc does not pull in acts on him like they did bernie sanders.

i will be watching. this is from a person on twitter. another person says rfk junior, here is what bbc says about robert kennedy junior. this is from earlier in the year. anti-vaccine activist robert f. kennedy, jr. has filed paperwork to run for the white house and will launch his campaign later in april. the nephew of president john f. kennedy and the son of bobby kennedy is the 12 member of the kennedy dynasty to run for public office. the longtime time environmental lawyer once -- including working to clean up the hudson river in new york. but mr. kennedy, 60 nine, has

been publicly shunned by much of his family over what they call his conspiracy theories about vaccines. mr. kennedy's vaccine skepticism long predated covid-19, he found a new audience during the pandemic when revenues to the anti-vaccine nonprofit he founded in 2011 doubled. that is a little more about robert f. kennedy, jr.. if you remember when we pulled up the emerson university polling, it said when people were polled, biden support against announced candidates increased to 70%, kennedy junior came in at 21% and marianne williamson, author and motivational speaker, received a percent. our question is for you, who would you support? if you think biden should be

reelected, (202) 748-8000. if you are a trump supporter, (202) 748-8001. if you think it should be someone else, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8002. next up is thomas from san diego , you are on. caller: the reason i would support biden is because he is president, he could start up solutions for at least three problems we are facing in the nation today. mass shootings, abortion, and his son's legal problems. he could advocate as president it requires insurance, like a car, to buy a gun. if everybody needed insurance before they could own a gun, mass shootings cannot occur a couple days after buying a gun. i am sure the president could advocate that. when it comes to abortion, because he is a catholic, he could say fathers have a right

in the development of a conceived child, maybe there is an alternative to abortion like support for the family with housing or parenting or job training. when it comes to his son, he could tell him to google my son's personal wealth on google and find out what he is worth, then explain where the money came from. if they offer insurance for buying a gun -- you cannot drive a car without insurance. if you offer the father his say on the abortion issue, that might lead to younger families with support to have children in america. with his son's issue, have him google it. insurance to buy a gun -- congress, it is 100% democratic in the sense of their support for the president. you have the senate supporting the democrats.

insurance to buy a gun, mass shootings would come to an end. abortion, include the father's right so that two people are talking about the birth of a child. three, his son, find out what he is worth. that is why i support biden, because he has the power of the presidents, he is the honest man, catholic. he has support of democrats and the senate on his side. let us help young families, listen to the father's rights, check my son's finances. that is all i wanted to say. host: the next caller is helen in california only trump line. -- on the trump line. caller: i am voting for trump. i like trump, he was against bad trade deals with china.

trump was against it because it was unfair to america, just like bernie sanders. the similarities between those who wanted america to be fiscally healthy and promote jobs and manufacturing, very similar to some democrats stance, the same as trump stands. trump wants to return manufacturing and jobs to the united states, that is critical to our society. i do not want the democrats to come into power. biden talks about the mythological wealthy, big business, it is a myth. it is not enough big businesses and wealthy people in the u.s. for these taxes to pay for even one month that he spent in ukraine, defending them against russia, as though ukraine has

some intrinsic -- it is important to have ukraine as a democracy, it is nothing to do with us. one thing that gets me is democracy, biden keeps hopping around the word democracy. this is code for illegal immigration. he opens the border, brings and the people from impoverished countries, promises them the wealth of the u.s., our taxes. then he will turn around and say they have a right to vote, this is democracy. this is buying the vote, they've been doing that for a long time. i do not like the propaganda of the insurrection, it was not an insurrection. it was a mob out of control. they were not going to overthrow the government, it was impossible. but the democrats and biden have an issue, i do not like the way

democrats are talking, i do not like biden. they are crooks. as for trump and his tax returns , take a look at biden and his son show corporation that got a lot of people in congress and biden himself to invest in ukraine energy corporation. we are not talking about that, in the media is not talking about that. the involvement in ukraine is to protect his cronies, they are using our money, possibly our blood to protect biden's personal investment. i am voting for trump. host: let us go to michigan now, you say that nikki haley is your preferred candidate. caller: i think trump is morally unfit. i did like some of his policies,

but there are so many investigations that you know there is something wrong with him morally. i could never vote for him again. desantis is so radical right now, i do not know what his problem is. i do not think he is a true conservative because of his fight with disney. he is thin-skinned. nikki haley would be good. we need someone in the center, i am probably center-right. joe manchin, i think any of those. with biden, i like some of his policies, too. but i think he is getting old and i do not think kamala harris -- we have not seen a good image of her. if something happened to him, i would be worried. i do not think it should be another trump biden campaign.

host: let us go to joe in california, who is your preferred candidate? caller: i have to go with the last lady just mentioned, i like joe manchin. he's been talking about running, he is the closest to the center of anybody out there right now, we have been stuck with picking between which you like or don't like, or hate. we need to govern from we need to govern from the center, rather than polar opposites. that is all you hear about, all these opinion polls you hear about. they address the people who are most active on the internet and

politically inspired by totally oppositional viewpoints. we need people in the center. you have seen in this last session what vocal minorities within the congress can do, both on the republican side and with the democrats with cinema and mansion, what they have been able -- sinema and manchin but they have been able to do because they had just a little bit of influence. we need moderate politicians who look at what is good for everybody and entertain the ideas of the people on the outside with the more radical ideas both in conservativism and progressivism. it will go with someone more towards the middle, maybe even someone else if they throw their hat in the ring.

right now the only one i can see who makes any sense to me is manchin. i don't know who we would have for a running mate. possibly sinema. if we drop enough from the middle, may be can have a decent third-party system instead of the broken two-party system we have right now. host: still in california, and we will end with this text message we received. this is from ray in washington dc. "i will reluctantly vote for joe biden. as someone with a spouse that is trans, i fear for my family if i don't. the republican agenda threatens our health care directly." i went to let you know later this morning, outgoing white

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work you are doing to educate people about debt and deficit. guest: the bipartisan policy center was established 15 years ago by 4 former majority leaders of the u.s. senate, the late senator bob dole and howard baker, then tom mitchell. as the name would imply, there is something called a bipartisan policy center. we tried to approach major issues and find common ground, because we do believe some of the most sustainable types of policy in this country are those done in a bipartisan way. tough issues as it relates to -- we cover a number of areas including ing-wen migration and health care issues but on fiscal policy issues we have developed

a reputation for that organization that provides an independent assessment as to this issue we are dealing with today called the x date when the federal government will exhaust all of its resources available to pay its bills. host: i know it is a not certain date. it shifts. what do you think the x date is right now and what are the factors that contribute? guest: the factors that impact this are the uncertainties associated with the economy, the level of revenues coming in, the level of expenditures going out. these very. the federal government pays monthly something like $80 million in checks. this checks go out.

sometime between june and september, later may be this week or early next week we will update our estimate. janet yellen will also do her estimate to update. there is some indication that the revenues that came in when we paid our taxes on april 15 that those of the news that came in were -- that those revenues were less than expected. we will refine this. it is a difficult estimate to make because we have to take into account all of these uncertainties and all of these issues we cannot anticipate, whether it is a withdrawal on fema for a disaster, another covid. those are things that would change that estimate dramatically. host: we are talking to bill hoagland from the bipartisan

policy center about the national debt. i want to give our viewers and listeners the numbers to call in with any comments or questions you may have. democrats, call us at (202) 748-8000. if you are a republican, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8001 . independents, (202) 748-8002. we will get to your calls in just a moment. in addition to what you do with the center, have a long career on capitol hill. you are no stranger to this debate on the debt ceiling. how do you see it playing out in the current congress over the coming weeks and months? guest: that is good question. this is deja vu in many ways. i have seen this movie before. this one is a little more scary from my perspective as opposed

to the first time i dealt with the debt limit issue, when i was staff director of the budget staff committee in 1985. it was brought about by a situation where we had at this time a republican in the white house, and a republican-controlled senate, and a democratic-controlled house. we were dealing with an issue -- we passed a budget resolution in the senate, and the budget resolution had passed by one vote. the elder bush president was vice president at the time. that budget was to reduce a deficit at that time, which was $200 million. long story short, that particular budget went to the

house, and it included in the senate the very controversial budget resolution because it had a one-year freeze on social security, and it reduced president reagan's defense request. it went to the house and the house -- my boss at that time senator dole was undercut by president reagan who said they would not support that. it caused a lot of controversy for republicans who had stretched, put their next on the line to try and reduce the deficit. that led to the next step, which was there was a movement by senator redmond in the senate, senator phil gramm to say, we will come up in october of 1985,

we will have to increase the statutory debt limit $2 trillion. that was not that long ago. host: 35 years ago the national debt was $2 trillion. guest: now we are at $35 trillion. here we go again. we are not going to vote to raise that debt limit again, which includes 50 votes in the senate, unless we have a change in our fiscal policies. i that resultedn -- that resulted in grant- redmond-hollings where we set caps on spending, and if spending -- that resulted in gramm-redmond-hollings where. we said caps on spending -- we set

caps on spending. we. -- we can argue. i don't think it was as successful as people thought. if put mechanisms in place that led to 1990 agreements and more importantly with mr. clinton and 1997 further negotiations. that required negotiations. i know and i respect the president. i worked with him when he was a senator here. i respect the process. i think you have to negotiate. i am a little worried about this game of chicken up to the limit. it will have a major economic impact, not only domestically but globally if the federal government for the first time in

its history has defaults on paying its bills. that would be a real disaster for republicans and democrats i believe. host: we will be talking about that more with you. before we get to the phone lines, can you explain what is the difference between the debt and the deficit? guest: good point. we sometimes assume people understand this. a deficit is an annual difference between your spending and your revenue, so as an example today we have a deficit for the current fiscal year of about $1 trillion -- $980 billion. if you go back to the beginning of the republic and add up all of the deficits against when we

had surpluses that would be cumulative. debt is the accumulation of deficits from the beginning of the republic to today. host: i am showing on my computer the u.s. debt clock.org, which is taking away. -- usdebtclock.org,which is ticking away. let's go to our phone lines. first is naomi. caller: my question is i have heard from the republican side that biden has done little to reduce the deficit, and i have

heard from the democratic side that trump, our former mr. trump who i am not in favor of, increased the deficit tremendously during his number of years as president, and that biden has reduced that deficit substantially despite the war in ukraine, despite covid, despite a tremendous number of things going on in the world, which the united states has had to take part in. i believe we need to support ukraine. we need to do anything we can at this point. democracy is under assault. it was under assault on january 6. there is no disputing that.

i have tremendous fears related to trump in particular regaining the white house. i don't see that happening, but should that occur, even if he should run, i think we are going to have major problems regarding election denial again, which was proven through the courts i don't know how many times. more than 60, i believe, that there was no tampering. there -- dominion has just won its lawsuit. host: naomi, we are going to let bill respond to the point she made about the difference in spending.

guest: naomi, this -- maybe this is no surprise coming from somebody, even though i work for republicans here in the senate for many years, this is a bipartisan problem. we used to say that the first law of economics is scarcity is real. the first rule of politics is to ignore the first rule of economics. this increased debt and deficit we have is a result of democratic and republican policies over the years. when you said that biden had reduced the deficit, he reduced the deficit. the deficit came down from -- this is the annual deficit in 2020. it was $3.1.

the deficit has gone from 3 down to about $1 trillion coming off of covid. the problem is that is the deficit, it is not the debt. the total continues to grow. the debt has grown under this administration. it is not just a this administration, you have to go back quite a few years. this has been going on for a long time. some of the programs we have, on the books today such as social security, medicare, created many years ago under the roosevelt administration, under the johnson administration, expansion of the food stamp program under the nixon administration, those programs are on the books and they are creating a draw on our spending. this is a combination of a

number of policies, but the republican and democrat over the years. it is not just one administration that is responsible for the level of debt we have today. it is a culmination of many, many years of policies we have established where we are unable to pay for our expenditures. host: i will pull up on the screen. you mentioned that the washington post did 9 key moments of the national debt in certain things like the bush tax cuts, medicare part d, which was prescription drug coverage added in 2006, the 2000 a recession and response under president obama, the obama gop deal to tend bush tax cuts, which was wrapped up in a debt ceiling discussion in 2013, the trump

tax cuts of 2017 and bipartisan spending deals under trump, the coronavirus pandemic response -- that was $5.3 trillion -and- the biden economic agenda is another $2.7 trillion. that is over the last 20 years or so, key points that addressed or extended the national debt. let's go back to the phone lines now. we have gary on the line in sterling, virginia. guest: thank you. i have three asks for c-span. could you ask elon musk to come on and tell us what he wants twitter to be?

does he want it to be a bastion of common sense or something else? can you ask brian what ike said to the evangelist when they asked him to be anti-bush? can you look up in late february of '78 or '79 those press releases in the washington post on climate change? now to the debt limit. i would like to ask mcconnell what is to be learned the fourth kick of the mule? the times we did this under obama i lost 12%, 18%. last time was when moody's five-star rating was lost. then ask jim jordan and kevin

mccarthy whether or not they are going to dig the keystone pipeline by hand. kevin said 500,000 jobs were lost and jim jordan said 40,000 or 50,000 jobs were lost. they must be digging that thing by hand! thank you for letting me share. guest: i cannot comment on the latter comments about mr. jordan and others, but i will say as it relates to where we are today, i think it is clear that we have not really had the senate weigh in. mr. mcconnell and mr. schumer have been through this exercise a number of times.

yes, just because the house passed its legislation last week, it is not clear that that legislation -- it is clear that, that legislation is not going anywhere in the senate. as i say, i believe that compromise is the way you move forward. it will be pretty difficult, but to your other point, yes this is dangerous for investors. this is dangerous for the overall economy. this is dangerous for ur standing in the world -- four r ou standingr in the world. -- this is dangerous for our standing in the world. it is dangerous for you and your investments if we do not find a solution for this quickly. host: next up is tracy in

denton, maryland on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: thank you. i wanted to mention that i can remember when reagan came on the tv and he said that we all need to tighten their belts because -- tighten our belts because we have a deficit. i don't know why presidents don't just come on tv and tell us the truth. i can remember when president bush gave back money, $300, to all of us. i was thinking why doesn't he just save that for a rainy day? i don't understand the mentality of not being fiscally responsible. guest: i guess thank you. my response to that is you are right. it behooves our elected

officials to be honest with the american public and to be very transparent. i'm not running for office. i don't have to talk to any constituents out there, but the discussion on spending, if it was to be an honest discussion, would not be focused on the 13% of federal spending that basically is what was in the house bill last week, which is what we call the nondefense discretionary budget. what is really driving spending in this country, unfortunately, our the third rails of politics. let's be clear -- social security, medicare, medicaid. those are some of the fast excluding paying interest on the public debt. they are the fastest growing. as you know, president biden,

and i am disappointed in his position on this, goes before the state of the union address and bates the republicans in the house and do saying that social security and medicare were off the table. let's be honest. if we do not make changes in those programs in the future, that will result in social security trust fund exhausting in the year 2033. if that happens, there will be reductions from what people thought they were going to get in social security. there will be reductions in medicare payments. if you are being honest with the american public on the spending side, you need to talk to them straight up about entitlements that have been on the books. these go back this for trump and biden and obama.

these major entitlement programs have been on the books for a long time. now wes are seeing the consequence of the expenditure -- now we are seeing the consequences of the expenditures. there are areas in which we can be better at spending than we are, but unless you are willing to tell the american public what is the real drivers of spending, let's take the other side of the equation. let's not pass this debt onto our future generation. let's talk about another third rail of politics. maybe we should start paying for the benefits we enjoy today. that is taxes, unfortunately. host: difficult positions new layout for our elected officials. we did get a text message from robert in atlanta, georgia. he writes, "what is the total

debt owed to the u.s. by other countries?" guest: that is a good question. it has changed over time, but about 40% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors. i had a friend that used to say we are the best looking horse in the glue factory. the point being we are secure in terms of paying our interest on our debt. that is an important question. china, japan, europe, investors like our bills and they invest. the issue i raise here is that could change pretty dramatically, if we do not raise

the debt limit and pay those interest on the borrowings going forward. today it is about 30% to 40% of the debt held by the public is owned by foreign investors. host: let's go to mark in annapolis, maryland on the republican line. what is your question or comment, mark? caller: just a quick couple of comments related to sources and uses, what can be done related to expanding exports of traditional carbon-based fuels, net drug gas, oil -- fuels, natural gas, oil, we also have alternative energy technologies helping with raising funds, it also on the

spending side, really a clear view of extending social security ages. basically targeting 72 as an eligible age for collecting social security. when these were put in place in the 30's the eligibility age was probably 2 to 3 years beyond the mortality age. the mortality age was 60 in 19 34. mortality age -- the collection age was 63, 62. guest: first of all, i cannot comment on the first part of your question about the expansion of trade. certainly, i believe in free

trade, and i believe there is always the opportunity to increase our exports. that would have a beneficial effect on the economy, and therefore increase opportunities of income and raise revenues. as far as its impact on the rising debt limit, it would not have much of an impact. here we go again on social security. the bipartisan policy center has looked at this. we had a major commission that focused on it with former members of congress as well as former trustees of the social security fund, and we looked at this issue. we would take the position that you took, mark. when the age was established at 65, and we went through an exercise in the 1980's where we were faced with that trust fund being depleted, and there was an

effort made at that particular time, senator dole, senator monahan, alan greenspan, we did modify the age of eligibility by pushing it out from 65 to 67, maintaining early retirement at 62. the work we put together agrees with you that we should be looking at adjusting that 67 as longevity increases. unfortunately, the last few years longevity has declined not increased due to the opioid issues we have out there. , long story short, i think there are ways in which you can extended social security, make it more valuable without jeopardizing the benefits for those who want to work longer and receive social security. it cannot be just on the age

adjustment though. you have to modify the formula. protecting the lower income that receive social security, social security is a major poverty reduction program for our elderly and i think we should continue to retain that, but there are ways in which you can continue to modify this program. one aspect of it was on the spending side. we may have to seriously consider some form of an update in the payroll tax to make the program -- host: next on the line is sergio in florida on the independent line. caller: good morning. how are you this morning? guest: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning, william. how are you, sir?

guest: good morning. caller: how did this $31 billion, $31 trillion debt start in the first place? how can we be self independent like we used to be in the 70's and what have you from china and whatnot? how can we correct that problem? i believe that president biden is doing a hell of a job keeping our country and prosperity and so forth. he got rid of covid and everything. he is doing a hell of a job. the republicans are holding our economy hostage. that needs to stop. how can we work together like they used to back in the day? guest: your question is one that

haunts me daily. i work here in the capital for many years, and it was a different environment than we see today. we have a very polarized environment, so i do not have any simple solutions to that. there are some thoughts i have, but i will hold them to the side. let me say in terms of how did we get here, as i said this is a culmination of spending in excess of the receipts that we take in that required us to go out and borrow money. , terms of the history of this, up until 1917 whenever we went out to have a project, congress passed a bill to say build the panama canal. i don't know if that is a proper

example. at the same time in that bill it authorized the ability to pay for it. every time congress created spending, it created the authority to borrow, to pay for that project. come 1917, coming off world war i, that was unsustainable in terms of the amount of expenditures needed to fight that war. we had to establish this debt limit so that we didn't have to do it on every bill that came through. that established the debt limit. it is the law and it gets adjusted and we are at a point where we have to adjust it again. even when we adjust this, and i

think the legislation that the house passed last week was to raise it by $1.5 trillion or by march 5 of next year, whichever comes first. that level of debt that is on the books today, what wes have already made commitment to -- what we have already made commitments to, we are still looking at the debt continuing to grow. i would point out, we did not mention this earlier, but i look at the debt as a share of the economy. it used to be that, that debt was closer to 30%, 40% and now it is well up into 100% of our gdp. i youf take the house passed legislation last week, even if it were to come to pass, we would still be facing in 10

years debt to gdp close to 100% of gdp. we have to make some fundamental changes in our spending and revenues policies going forward. otherwise, we are simply passing on this debt to our children, grandchildren, my girl chin -- grandchildren, my grandchildren. their living standard will be lessened because of this burden we are placing on them.wshould take on we -- we should take on the burden today. host: the total debt to gdp ratio is currently 134%.can i clarify guest:? -- guest: can i clarify? 134% is total debt. when i talk about debt held by the public, that is 100%.

host: do you think the debt limit should go away altogether? get rid of it? guest: [laughter] i think there is only one other country in the world who has a similar debt limit. i have mixed feelings about this. i understand the house's position, and i understand where senator graham was. it is a forcing mechanism to have us focus on this issue. i have mixed feelings about it. i don't think it has accomplished what people thought . i don't think gramm-hollings achieved what we wanted it to. but at least we are having this conversation today about the level of debt out there and what

it means. i wish it was not as difficult as it is, that it does force conversations so i guess i am filibustering your question by not answering it. host: let's take another caller. thomas in rupert dale, georgia on the democratic line. what is your question or comment? caller: thank you for taking my call. i really enjoy this program. one of my questions is how come no president has ever tried to pay off the debt? why can't we just pay japan or china, pay off a few of our debtors, just to avoid paying them interest all the time? when the gas prices are low, why can't we just increase the tax a little bit for a short period

of time to try and pay off the debt, just to increase the revenue or something? is there an advantage to staying in debt? guest: thanks, thomas. there was a president who tried to pay off the debt completely. his name was andrew jackson. it was somewhat successful, i guess, and then we entered into the civil war. payoff our investors overseas? i'm not quite sure, thomas, how that would work. if we paid them off and we told them "we do not want you to purchase our treasuries, we would force an increase in interest payments to encourage domestic investors to purchase our debt, so i think that is a little difficult to say we just pay them off and tell them they

cannot purchase treasuries. it is a global economy now. we are interacting all over the world. it is something that would be difficult to achieve. i don't disagree with you, thomas. there should be in times of war, in times of specific disasters, maybe we should just say we have a tax to pay for that particular activity witho -- activity on a one-time basis. you need to look at the overall taxing of the country and where it stands and apply a more uniform other than a one-off basis. host: all right. let's go to we gangs, colorado -- weakens, colorado -- let's go to wiggins, colorado.

jack. caller: they up to raise the cap on social security to begin with. how -- the federal government is the biggest employer in the united states. we never hear anything about how their retirement is running out of money so how is that compared to social security? maybe they ought to switch all federal employees over to social security. that would cure everything. that is the only question i have. thank you. guest: transparent, i am a federal retiree, and so i am aware of the federal retirement program. it was converted a few years ago into a system similar to what most people have in terms of retirement out there.

i'm not sure it would be possible to simply convert everybody over to that particular type of program. i think i like your idea of social security, taking the cap off. i'm going to say it is something like $120,000. that should be modified also and moved up. i think it should be more reflecting the changes in overall income. that cap should be adjusted upwards. host: thank you so much. bill hoagland, bipartisan policy center, senior vice president, thank you for joining us. guest: guest: thank you. host: we will take a quick break and then we will be back with dr. patricia turner.

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turner. she is the executive director and ceo of the american college of surgeonss. guest: good morning. host: thank you for joining us. we will talk about the coronavirus pandemic and other issues affecting the u.s. health care system. let's start off by talking about the american college of surgeons. what is this mission and what does your book involve? guest: the american college of surgeons has 87,000 members around the world. we represent surgeons and we enhance care of surgical patients. we teach surgeons what is on the cutting edge. we improves the quality of hospitals around the world, and we communicate outwardly so patients, hospitals, and our

members can know what is the right thing to do about surgical cases. host: how is it funded? guest: we are a membership organization. we have members. you may have seen acs after a surgeon's name. that means they are a fellow of the american college of surgeons. host: you were talking about the quality movement. the american college of surgeons, i have this report from earlier -- well, from last month. it says you are driving quality improvements amidst a challenging post-pandemic environment. it was a new campaign launch last month. can you tell us more about it? guest: that is in conjunction with our advocacy and health

policy branch. we have a division in d.c. that works on legislative affairs, so that advocacy team along with our quality improvement team. we have launched a quality improvement campaign called the tower of quality. we are engaging with hospitals around the country to bring our quality improvement programs to them. it may be bariatric surgery, cancer, trauma, but we have new programs in vascular surgery, programs that cut across the kinds of operations. we have a pediatric surgery verification program. our goal is to bring the highest evidence-based care to every hospital around the country. host: let me give viewers the numbers to call to share any comments they have or ask any questions of you. the numbers to call, if you are

in the eastern or central time zones we want you to call us at (202) 748-8000. if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones, your number is (202) 748-8001. if you are a medical professional and would like to weigh in, your number is (202) 748-8002. you can start calling in now. we will get to you in just a moment. how would you define the current state of surgery and the current state of the u.s. health care system in general? what are the challenges and lengths? -- challenges and strengths? guest: surgical care is the engine that drives many hospitals. while we can have many members of the health care team

participate in what we do in medicine, if you need a surgeon, you need a surgeon. if you have a traumatic experience, if you have cancer, you need a surgeon. our job as the american college of surgeons is to make sure our 110-year-old motto, to heal all with skill and trust continues to be what guides us and brings the highest quality care to all patients who are cared for by all surgeons. when we think about what are the challenges, access continues to be something we are concerned about. we want to make sure we bring evidence-based surgical care to as many individuals as possible in the community and in academic settings. we want to make sure we are mindful of the elements of quality, because that continues to be something that is not as talked about but is just as essential. host: how did the

coronavirus pandemic -- hospitals were such a priority. how did that highlight or exacerbate what issues exist in the health care industry. guest: one good example from the coronavirus pandemic is cancer. we know screenings save lives, whether it is a colonoscopy, or mammography, we know screening for cancer is essential and save lives. in the pandemic appropriately we had to channel all of our resources into management of covid-19. the early stage cancers that may have been discovered on mammogram or colonoscopy we had to, put that on the back burner. what we know from a recent study that was published was there were fewer cancers found in the early days of the pandemic. covid-19 pushed off some of the

essential screenings and some of the cases or operations that surgeons would want to do, we had to push off. that has had impact downstream for patients. host: i will show on our screen. there is omnibus spending for cancer research that has been requested. there is $47.5 billion for the national institutef health, $3.72 billion for, the national cancer institute, $53.4 million for the national program of cancer registries, and $1.5 billion for advanced research projects in the agency for health. that was in the omnibus spending package that passed. how important is it that this

new funding goes in place to address some of the lags that exist when it comes to cancer? guest: this is essential but not sufficient. these numbers are great. we obviously want more funding for research, more funding to demonstrate what the evidence, base is but there are other treatments that need funding. surgeons should receive reimbursement commensurate with their commitment to quality. we have programs we know are demonstrated to enhance quality, it safe patients' lives, diminished complications and our surgeons should be paid for participating in those high-quality programs. another area that deserves more funding for research is in firearm violence. that is a public health crisis. it is not a political issue.

just like we would do research into motor vehicle accidents or helmet laws, we should invest in research in reducing the burden of firearm violence. host: we have another chart to show about what was in the omnibus bill for firearm research. $4.5 million each to the cdc to fund research on firearm mortality prevention. when republicans were in control there was not as much money flowing for. firearm prevention what is the benefit for this money and how could it be used? guest: this is essential investment. firearm injury is a major public health crisis, and just like all other public health crises, we have to invest money into research to figure out how to

bend that curve, how to reduce lives lost. i have to emphasize this is not a political issue at all. this is a public health crisis in the same way that we would invest in cancer, the same way we would invest more in clean water, or seatbelts to reduce deaths from motor vehicle crashes. it we are focusing -- host: we will go to some questions we are receiving for you. their first one is via twitter. "how do physician quality reports impact us? our surgeries being denied for riskier patients for fear of impacting physicians' quality scores?' guest: that is a great question.

one thing that is different about the american college of surgeons database is we do something called risk adjustment. we did not give numbers of complications or deaths after a certain procedure. we include patient factors. did that person have diabetes? how old were they? we fold into that the complexity of the operation. we are able to calculate what the complication rate should be and what an individual surgeon's or hospital's complication rate is. it is where do you go to get the best care for your personal set of issues. host: " with mental health gaining attention, what can be said about surgeons in this area

? " host: there -- caller: there is -- guest: there is a focus on mental health and that is a great way to improve the health of our patients. there is a place where surgery overlaps with that and we work with our colleagues in behavioral health specialties to work together to figure out what we need to do. host: let's go to the following wells -- the phone lines. if you're on the eastern or central time zones, (202) 748-8000, if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones, (202) 748-8001, and if you are a medical professional who would like to weigh in, (202) 748-8002 . john in johnstown, pennsylvania. what is your question or comment? oh, wait.

you are on now. guest: -- caller: i question for doctors -- doc -- mike question for dr. turner is for the american medical association, why threaten those -- i was watching this hearing with this girl from texas who almost died. the doctors were afraid to abort the baby. she had some kind of situation where the baby was causing her some kind of infection. they said they had to wait until she starts to get sick to perform the surgery. the doctors from that hospital called other doctors in other hospitals in texas. they refused to see her because of the loss --laws. the american medical association

has got to step in and start helping these doctors and start suing some of the state legislators. this can't go on. women in this country have a higher mortality rate from pregnancy than any other place in the industrialized world -- world. we have to do something about protecting women especially those who are in danger for losing their lives. guest: all right, that is a thorny issue. i can't speak for the american medical vote -- association. what i will say is that the american medical association, the american college of surgeons, we agree that we have to provide evidence-based care of our patients. that is the guiding light. as a relates to its ethics, as

to why lawsuits are not underway, i cannot speak to that but i will emphasize our perspective. we are focused on providing evidence-based care. what the sign says is what we do and we also believe we have to take care of patients in late -- a way that does not allow a different -- allow interference. host: our next caller is henry in desoto, texas. what is your question or comment? caller: i would like to know how profound of an impact did the covid-19 pandemic have on our health care system in terms of a negative income -- impact, was it understated, overstated or has it get to be realized in regards to its negative impact

in terms of workers, unpaid bills and the like? guest: it goes without saying that the pandemic was of epic proportions. we know that more point -- 1.1 billion -- 1.1 million individuals lost their lives during the pandemic. some screenings of cancer were done and those in visuals -- and those individuals will have late showings. we know people lost their jobs and the economic and mental health impact as well as the health impact on communities was profound. it is hard to say whether it is more or less than what was published because i supposed it would depend on what you are reading. we can all agree the pandemic was profoundly impactful in

extremely negative way in many facets. host: we received another question for you from twitter. " will there be any discussion on how the affordable care act may already have health care even higher? " guest: in many ways, what we want is for an individual to have access to care. we know if you don't have access to care, your health outcomes are worse. we know that if you don't get the screening, we know saves lives, then you're outcomes are works* -- worse. we won at as many individuals have access to evidence-based care that the american college of surgeons supervisor. -- provide. we want to ensure all patients receive care. host: we had a caller bring up

an issue of abortion and another one that has been part of debate in politics is care for transgendered patients. the american -- the american college of surgeons -- surgeons has this topic on your website. how do you handle this topic? guest: there are strong opinions on both sides. we focus on what the data shows. what is the right thing to do? depending on the specialties, we have meteorologist and, ecologists and pediatric surgeons that are meant -- numbers of the -- members of the acs. they are guided by the evidence. there are states with pieces of legislation that are being considered and we abide by the

laws but we focus on the evidence-based act is. -- practice. host: let's go back to be omnibus funding. your organization has advocated for more funding for health care workers. can you talk about that? guest: it is a priority. we know the health care workforce with large was deeply impacted by the pit -- writ large was deeply impacted by the pandemic. we have lost many people in the work fess -- workforce, people who may have been experiencing burnout or suffering from depression. nurses are at a all-time low in many hospitals. we are unable to put patients through because there is not enough nurses so that is another priority area were read -- where we need more nurses. we need tax --techs.

host: we will go to oklahoma, what is your question or comment? caller: thanks for taking my call. i love c-span. thank you, dr. turner, for being here. i am a first-year medical resident. i am in my psychiatry residency. i appreciate the discussions about mental health, especially in the wake of covid. my big question, i have a global question that i would like to hear your thoughts on. we have -- in the u.s., we have significantly poorer outcomes per dollar spent then many other developed nations in the world, some of which, many of which have universal health care programs.

and we hear a lot about the importance of preventative medicine and shipping our model of care to one that focuses -- shifting all or -- shifting our model of care to one of preventative medicines. i haven't found the exact framework to back this up but it seems to me that having a universal health care program, where everyone is covered, what encourage this kind of preventative model -- what encourage this kind of preventative model. most experts would agree this will go towards improving outcomes, decreasing mortality and morbidity. what you have to say on this? thank you for your time. guest: thank you for that

question. i would agree with you that preventative care is the right way to go about improving health outcomes. if we can do preventative care on the front side, we can have fewer interventions that are necessary because the patients are not as sick. we can prevent disease. i agree with that point. we are green as well on the fact that quality improvement notion can improve the health of a nation. to the extent that we have individuals that are in the health care system back we can enhance access -- that we can enhance access and do high-quality care, that can bend the cost curve. because complications are expensive. if we can spend that money invested on the front side, make sure we are doing evidence-based medicine, however -- have fewer complications, beckoned help to

enhance the care of all patients -- that can help to enhance the care of all patients. host: next, we have the liar -- the lila --delia in new york city. caller: my niece was an emergency room doctor during the pandemic. she stayed with me and work in two -- and worked in two different hospitals in new york city. they work so hard. there is -- nurses are walking away from hospitals. they are striking. it is deplorable. it should be branded as the health scare industry. all the wonderful professionals in it, for the good of trying to keep people healthy and safe, i

am all for preventative, alternative solutions. universal health care. we have universal health care in place, which is medicare. why can't they expound on that to make things better? there is ceo's better buying private -- private companies that are buying hospitals and hospitals are shutting down and people having to drive crazy amounts of ours to get to health care. this doesn't make sense. in supposedly a wealthy nation, supposedly the best medical care in the world. it makes absolutely no sense. how can i wrap my head around those who are in the forefront and trying to move this forward? guest: thank you for the question. there are parts of the health care system that are a struggle

to get through the administrative burden and i think that is what i am hearing you say. individuals who want to give care, who don't want to have to drive far, who want their local hospitals to stay open, anything we can do to enhance care is a good thing. there are some challenges. going through the rigmarole, prior authorization is a struggle. if we can make the process easier so that we can move through the administrative hurdles quickly, that would be beneficial for the patients and doctors. if our phr's --ehrs onto another, that would make it easier for patients and physicians. there are administrative things we can do to enhance access and make systems more -- less friction -- more frictionless. host: good morning, joanne.

caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: yes. caller: great. i don't know if this is in dr. turner's area but my husband passed away recently. they will not so me anything about his health care -- not tell me anything about this -- his health care and they talked about hipaa, once a patient dies, you can learn anything. from what i understand, hipaa protects -- he is dead. what is hipaa protecting? and why won't they give me any information? guest: thank you for that question. i am sorry for your loss. i suggest reading -- reaching

out to the hospital where the care was provided. hepa is important for the protection of personal health information but as you said, you would like to be able to access -- i would suggest going to the patient advocate function at the hospital because they can help you navigate what needs to be done in the medical records area to get what you are looking for. host: next on the line is mike in smoking -- spoke ain't --s pokane, washington. caller: good morning. you two should be mentors for all the young ladies out there. dr., my question is this. i will like your thoughts on the

cleveland clinic. that was a group of surgeons themselves. they have a very successful. i wonder what your thoughts were. guest: thank you for the question. you are correct. some surgeons many years ago got together and founded the cleveland clinic. that is the beginning of what is a very successful operation. i can't speak to the the -- details but i was saying when surgeons get together, we can do great things for the health care system. i encourage physicians and surgeons to participate in hospital leadership because as those who provide care to patients, we are well -- equipped to make sure -- to think about what makes the hospital one better and enhances the business model and prepares us to provide care for patients.

host: i went to ask -- i want to ask a question from twitter. how has long covid impacted the medical community? guest: long covid is something that is incompletely understood. we are not 100% clear on who is likely to get long covid. there are thoughts that we could do that based on the response to the first about --bout of covid. we don't know all the details about who gets long covid or why. there is an impact, individuals can be deeply affected or mildly impacted if that keeps them out of the work worth or keeps them from returning to their typical activities, that can be a real problem. we don't have good treatment modalities. we are doing research not as the

acs but research is being done on the impact of long covid. it is something to be concerned about. host: let's go to new york. robert, what is your question or comment? caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a question. being that it has been should -- showing that the covid-19 vaccine does not stop you from getting covid or transmitting it, shouldn't the officials that -- like the five men, the police, -- the fireman, the police and the medical staff be hired back because that was the reason they were fired? guest: thank you. if i am understanding the question, what i emphasize is that while the vaccine does not 100% permanent getting covid, it

very much does diminish the severity of covid. it can lower your risk of getting it, not 20, --to zero, but it lowers the risk of getting covid and lessons severity so individuals that have died before -- might have died before, now have a milder case. the vaccine is impactful and it diminishes not just transition -- transmission but severity of disease. host: our next caller is a retired nurse, donna in salem, massachusetts, what would you like to share with us? caller: i, dr. turner. the biggest issue is the surgery better they -- that they are doing on children that are confused about the agenda -- their agenda. --their gender.

it is despicable. let children be children and let them grow up without a major transformation. they are children. i think the doctors that are doing this should be put in jail. it is people. -- people --evil. as adults -- i can't believe how sick this world has become. what is wrong is becoming right and vice versa. it is beyond my comprehension. i was a nurse for 25 years and people were so overmedicated, especially with psychotropic meds. i don't think doctors, when they are in school, they don't have a lot of hours in that illness.

and mimics so many mental illnesses and if they go to a psychiatrist, they want to put them on something. it is running rampant. alcohol is legal. there is a liquor store in every street corner and yet some people are not able to drink alcohol at all. it sets off a phenomenon craving, the first drink sets it off. one drink is too many. 100 is not enough. the life goes down the ship -- host: donna, we are going to let dr. turner respond to some of the comments made.

guest: i am not sure i can respond under -- other than to say we agreed to meet patients where they are and their challenges, our clauses of -- alcoholism among them. host: she started out bringing up transgender issues. there are people concerned that children are receiving reversible surgery -- irreversible surgery. how are you addressing the specific questions about where or when it is to give surgery to minors? guest: across states, there are different positions. we are mindful of law and we make sure we are abiding by the law. i think there are decisions that are made, in this case, it is between the surgeon and the patient. but the parents are involved as well and that is a conversation

on a case-by-case basis. host: michael in florida. what would you like to share? caller: i had two things. i am an activist in my county. we have been pushing our teachers and i would like to include doctors to stay in on their old --oaths. when a teacher or daughter is made to do something that is going against their sworn both --oath -- to prevent issues, no one ever mentions the 3% of children nationwide and waterway were born with ambiguous genitalia. they were forced by law, in most states to sign on a birth certificate, whether you are male or female. what about doing operations when those kids are younger, so much

is not discussed because we are shy about it. we can talk in florida about women's menstrual periods. we need doctors and teachers to stand on their oaths. that is what they are for, when your foundation we attacked and you needed to usurious organization, teachers need support. people say, teacher's oath hahaha, but dr.'s oath are important. guest: two -- those decisions are made by the surgeons, the

patient, that patient's parent and the endocrinologist and the pediatrician. it is a team sport to make these important decisions around children. host: next up, we have danny in farmington, missouri. go ahead. caller: thank you. it is fantastic to be with you, dr. turner. i was talking to a girl that schedules and donates to be read -- critical -- to the red cross. this was maybe a year ago and people going to surgery and were requesting blood that had not been vaccinated. i was wondering if you had come across that, if that is still a thing. i much protection -- how much

protection could you get from one pint of blood that has been vaccinated? guest: thank you. if you need a blood transfusion, you should get that blood transfusion and not worry about whether the person who donated the blood was vaccinator or i'm vaccinated. there is no evidence that you should be concern as a patient about the vaccination status of the blood, -- donor. we try not to give blood donations unless they are necessary so if they are, it is -- that is the priority, not worrying about the vaccine status of the donor. host: let's look to -- look forward. what are additional priorities the american college of surgeons is talking to congress and other elected officials about? guest: we would love to have a conversation about enhanced reimbursement for high quality where --care. we have programs that enhance

the outcomes and minimize complications, that minimize morbidity and mortality. that is something we would love to have conversations about. we would love to talk about enhancing research dollars for all the things we have been talking about, whether it is for cancer care or mitigation of firearm injuries. those are important conversations and we would like to talk about long reimbursement resurgence. we haven't had a chance to talk on all about student loan debt. when we talk about how that impacts our future doctors, we should have loan repayment programs for surges who go into the communities so that -- there can be access for care. host: are there talented, politically or date today in the workforce, that surgeons face that the public should be aware of? guest: we try to provide the

best possible care and we need more nurses so we can move patients to the hospital. we can't get them out of the operating room and into the recovery room if they are not more nurses. we want to be mindful on how the health care team works together. we are all part of the team. when we think about making sure we are advising -- empathizing, -- if you're wondering about where to go, if that person is the right surgeon, look at the designation and we are rolling out this quality campaign. there will be diamonds, the american college of surgeons partner, diamonds, and you will be able to see if that doctor participates with us, providing the highest quality of care.

you may see breast or bariatric, look for that quality diamond that says the american college of surgeons on. host: thank you for joining us. dr. patricia turner. guest: thank you for having me. host:host: the will -- we will take up quick break. presidentid, former president trump are leading i the balls but the question is, who will you vote for in 2024? call us now. if it is presidentiden, (202) 748-8000, if its former president trump, (202) 748-8001. if you prefer another candidate, (202) 748-8002. we will get your calls right after the break. ♪

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(202) 748-8000, if it is strong, (202) 748-8001. if you prefer any other candidate, (202) 748-8002. we will go to marbus in arizona. you are a trump supporter. tell us what? --why? caller: i like his values. he is more honest. host: say that last part again? caller: he is concerned more about america. host: understood. there has been speculation about joe biden and his age. he is 80 years old. if you was to be elected, he

would be 82 years old if he was granted under the term. this was president biden saturday night at the white house correspondents dinner cracking jokes about his age. pres. biden: age is a reasonable issue in everyone's mind. the new york times. headlines. biden's advanced age is a big issue, trump is not stop -- not. [laughter] i love that guy. i should do an interview with him. you might think i would not like rupert nerd up -- rupert murdoch will stop that is not true. he is a guide that makes you like harry styles.

-- that makes me look like harry styles. [laughter] he says i am agent. --ancient. don lemon would say that is a man on his prime. [laughter] host: that was current president joe biden at the white house correspondents dinner last night. former president done it -- donald trump is leading in the polls but there has been recent argument -- articles because trump has indicated he may not participate in debates against the other republicans who are running in the primary. the other announced candidates are nikki haley, the foreigner governor of south carolina as well as a businessman.

trump leads in the polls but we want to hear from you. who is your preferred candidate? let's go to hawaii. who is your candidate of choice? caller: hi. i usually vote democrat. i voted for joe biden last time. there wasn't really any choice. i would vote for aoc if she ever got in the mix. i know that probably will not happen. i think the country needs a change. three much -- pretty much come up progressive would be the way to go in my opinion. i don't see how people can vote for down from. --trump.

he has been accused of rape, and you know what happens to people who have gone to jail for that, they are not the most popular person in the population. if you know what i mean. i don't know how people can vote for him. it is ridiculous. host: let's go to coatesville, pennsylvania. susan on the biden lne. --line. caller: i will vote for biden again. he will be our candidate. he is beat and commit president. i as a democrat, i will vote for and these people who claim their independence or -- independent or don't know, like the last two

elections, there is so much on the line but if you look at where the republican party is going, it does not matter if trump is running or anyone else. you vote for fascism. look what is happening in florida and republican-led states. you have to be careful. joe biden is my boat. --vote. host: thank you. jack is next up, calling from pennsylvania. trump is your preferred candidate. caller: thank you for having. --me. i will support president trump as of now. i think he is our only way to get our government back for the people. i don't think the government is

treating its citizenry there. i think that has been the case as of 2020 election. i don't believe the 2020 election was free or fair. my support will be for donald trump or the republican candidate. i believe the democratic party, with its mainstream media, big tech and big corp. has gone off the rails. thank you. host: already. -- all right. we have donald in pennsylvania. who is your candidate of choice? caller: it is neither one. it is neither president biden or former president trump. i would never vote for trump. my favorite is one of three senators i would like to see on the democratic party. i am a democrat. i would like to see the senator

of ohio, senator chris coons of delaware, and senator shelby white house of rawhide on -- rhode island. either one of the senators will make a great candidate. host: donald with three senators on his mind. let's hear from marjorie in silver spring, maryland, on the biden line. caller: i would definitely vote for president biden. he has the experience. he has the talent, with foreign countries and leaders. he is honest. he doesn't tell lies like president trump. my vote would densely go for president biden. --will definitely go for president biden. host: we have ron in kentucky.

caller: i will gladly vote for president trump again and i have to ask marjorie, if she doesn't think president biden lies, everyone is entitled to their opinion. i think president trump, he is the best president we had in our lifetime and he is easily we -- the best president we have. i don't feel other foreign governments respect president biden. i think he is too old and has cognitive decline. a good example is the chichi. i think china -- trump i think -- will get us

back on track. host: ron in kentucky. let's go to madison, ohio, don is on the line. you are voting for biden? caller: i would never vote for that crook trump. i went to see if -- i want to see if c-span can check me. nowhere in because two should does it say that president biden or any president has to come up with the budget. it is out with -- to congress too, with a budget and send it to the senate and work it out and send it to the president, whether he signs it or not, it is up to him. it is not up to -- it is not up to him to sit down with mccarthy and ham radio. that is not how it works. i appreciated. -- appreciate it.

host: our next caller is jose in arizona. which candidate do you prefer? caller: i don't prefer either candidates. i want to put it out there that they are not a reliable choice. it is a process, whether -- we what we are doing with our economy. america should rethink their priorities. right now, we are going off the deep end. host: is there something -- someone else you have in mind? caller: if i was being 100% honest, i would like to see if elon musk could run. he is a genius man in kind -- and a kind school --soul. trump is a businessman but is not -- does not have a good

heart or good soul. joe biden is too old. i and one of the youngest callers here will stop i am near 30. . the generations to come -- host: that was jose in arizona. i want to bring up video, this is from yesterday on nbc's meet the press. our republican candidate resents himself as a candidate of free speech and an alternative to both trump and joe biden. >> we have to be the party of free speech and open debate. we cannot be the body that says i will talk to you. there are other candidates that say they won't talk to nbc news.

i go to college campuses where other candidates refuse to go. i am in this race to walk the walk when it comes to free speech and open debate and i would like to see on the -- other republicans rise to this occasion. >> if donald trump does not do debates, will you not support him? >> i will not let him get away with that. >> what is that me? --what does that mean. >> i don't think other candidates will relish being on the debate stays with me. what he showed in 2016, people gave him credit for being an outsider. >> which of the party uses leverage to force him to be on the debate stage? >> it is on the voters. if you want someone with the

spice to take on thee, and strata state, you better not be scared to show on the debate stage with a new challenger. donald trump did a great job in 2016. >> that was a presidential candidate yesterday morning on nbc's meet the press. you say former governor asa hutchinson is your choice. caller: i would vote for former governor asa hutchinson because the -- its -- he is experienced in the federal government. i think he is the type of politician that we used to have. i like is common sense approach -- his common sense approach to

make him the guy i would vote for. host: let's go to doors calling -- doris calling from texas. you are a biden supporter. caller: yes, i remember in the third rate -- grade, when roosevelt passed away. the republican party not what it used to be. i would vote for biden again. i am a democrat all the way and even texas, i am a native texan. they have republicans, i am ashamed of how they are making texas look now. they are only interested in being the one party. i am surprised that trump, with

all of his charges against him, is even being allowed to give speeches. hope you will get what he has coming to him -- i hope he will get what he has coming to him because our country was a better place before he became president. vote for joe biden. the democrats have always been for the working class, and the republicans will probably take away social security and all the benefits. that seems to be what their agenda is. thank you. host: from doris in texas. we are going to dora in greensboro, north carolina. you say trump. caller: yes, because he is the

number one guide to be the president of the united states of america. anybody who would vote for biden, need to go to an insane asylum because he has been there since he was 24. he never agreed on anything and everyone has been on president trump's back. they never him -- gave him a chance to do anything but he did it anyway. host: dora in north carolina. from -- calling from st. petersburg, florida, bob, you said you had other candidates in mind. caller: as a true independent, i would like to see a mixup. i would like to see somebody like they should know new --fay

shenunu and told see gavin -- let's see what they can do with both parties. host: do you mean chris sununu? caller: yes. host: ann tulsi gabbard -- and tulsi gabbard? caller: yeah, i believe she is an independent? host: i believe she may be a republican now but she is no longer a democrat. caller: that i know. i think they would bring more common sense. they are both going way to far right are too far left and no one stays in the middle. they keep worrying about

independence. what if they start putting independence in their primary elections? see if it works out better for them. host: that is bob any st. petersburg. tulsi gabbard left the democratic party and she is not affiliated with any political party. let's go to casper, wyoming. beverly on the bidens line. caller: morning. --good morning. i would like to see joe biden run again and all the people that you wanted to boost up trump -- that keep wanting to boost up trump. trump -- he always metals and everyone's affairs and now he has the people natalie? it is ridiculous. go joe biden and kamala harris. host: we will bring up videos of

another one of those candidates. this is a said hutchinson -- this is asa hutchinson, on sunday, he believes providing an alternative to president trump as two candidates you're for the presidential primary -- gear up for the presidential primary. [video clip] >> whenever you talk about a brand of republicanism, we have our principles i believe in which is limited government and strong national defense. you look at revolving be party to meet the challenges of today in today's economy. the american people trust republicans more to handle the economy than the other side and that is a central issue of the campaign. if you look about trump, he is high in the polls will stop i believe -- the polls.

i believe providing an alternative. i need -- believe in the message up -- so we can compete with china. so we cannot be an height -- isolation list party but one that can support the american people and the friends we are seeing like ukraine. these are messages that resonate. host: that is former arkansas governor asa hutchinson who is running in the republican presidential primary. we will get two more of your calls. if you support joe biden, (202) 748-8000. if trump you think trump should become president again, (202) 748-8001. if there is another candidate that is on your mind (202) 748-8002. i want to bring up a tweet. " joe biden may has been a

politician all his life but trump has been a crook in criminal all his life." we will go to dave in pennsylvania. caller: how is it going? i was going to vote for trump. i found this great note. part of the plan is to reduce the gradual surrender of american sovereignty piece by piece through various international organization in which the united nations is outstanding, but far from the only example. greatly expand government spending of every achievable means to get rid of lars sums of american money. much hired texas, three, an increase leon badgett -- unbalanced budget despite higher taxes.

government -- materials to combat inflation. greatly increase socialistic controls over every operation of our economy and every activity of our daily lives. this needs to be -- huge increase in the size of our bureaucracy and involves the reach of our domestic government. far more asian of power in washington. -- far more centralization of power in washington. a study advanced of federal aid and control over our educational systems. a constant hammering into the american consciousness of the

horror of warfare. peace always on communist terms. host: i share your -- i hear your -- playing devils advocate, supporting trump. let's go to diane in new jersey. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think it is a travesty what is happening on the border with the girls that are coming over and what i have them and how the children are lost -- and what are happening to them and how the children are lost stop in this country, we adore our children. for them to be lost is a travesty. sorry to say, mr. biden is owned by china and bought with his son hunter. the price of gas alone would

lead so that anyone who voted for him is giving this country away. we have to stop giving our country away. donald trump never gave our country away. to china, he would never allow this -- these things to happen where children are being sold off to slavery. children mean everything to me. the accusations against donald trump, we are all entitled to liberty and justice for all. accu eight -- accusations are not convictions. i know there are a lot of african-american people don't like donald trump but think back in time to 2 -- jim crow. two wrongs don't make a right. host: 36, you said you have other candidates in mind -- teresa, you said you had other

candidates in mind. caller: i think it is time to have a couple of good communicators, sean women take -- strong women take over the republican party and i would vote for nikki haley, with tulsi gabbard. if she wasn't interested in becoming a vice president, i will select kim scott. i think it is time for a change. behold world is changing and the parties are changing -- the whole world is changing and the parties are changing. and to go back to drama kings, as president, it doesn't make sense. if the voters decide it is joe biden and donald trump, i would have to vote for trump. i can continue to what is going

on and the thought of having, harris -- having kamala harris as president scares me. we need some really good, communicating, smart and tough women. thank you for taking my call. host: we are going to end with miriam in texas. joe biden is your choice. caller: joe biden is my choice because he's a really cool dude. i think that the news is making more of an issue of things. he is the type of person that he gets to work. there is a media component to the way they are betraying him and i would vote for him because

if trump runs, he will take all the momentum in the united states of the supreme court that took away the rights. i'm voting for biden because he will restore our freedom. he will not appoint judges that will take freedom away from women. he will be there and have the power of the pen to make sure we restore our freedom. because right now, they are under siege because of the republicans. host: merriam in texas and we will and that therefore "washington journal" today. we will be back tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. but later today on c-span at 1 p.m., a look at the upcoming coronation of king charles iii and the role of the british monarchy. it's hosted by the washington post live on c-span at 1 p.m.

eastern and you can watch on our free mobile app c-span our online at c-span.org. at 2 p.m., look at the situation with taiwan and china and whether it can remain peaceful and that's hosted by the brookings institution live at 2 p.m. and at 6 p.m., minnesota democratic senator amy klobuchar and former ohio republican senator rob portman will be awarded the madison prize for their bipartisan work on capitol hill. that's hosted by the center for congressional and presidential studies at the american university live at 6 p.m. eastern. have a great day. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023]