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florida representative jared moscowitz and others at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. you can watch the freshman interviews on c-span.org. don't forget to download our free video app, c-span.org. early saturday morning the coronation of king charles the third will take place. he became the king following his mother's death. c-span will air the coverage of the coronation in its entirety at 4 p.m. eastern from the royal procession to westminster abbey to the official crowning of the new king. the coronation of king charles, iii, on c-span.org. host: a focus on campaign 2024 with the familiar face jacob
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rubashkin from inside election. in the latest right up by your colleague nathan gonzales he writes it is not too early to talk about the presidential battlefield because the underlying dynamics don't often shift dramatically in the months or even a year before the election. what are the underlying political dynamics of the race right now? guest: we have an incumbent with middling approval rate seeking a second term. we have a divided congress making a series of very important challenges over the next couple of weeks. we have a former president who was trying to come back into office having announced his bid for president even before the
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men turns. we have one side of the equation with president biden and we have a good idea about president trump. we know the historical trends associated with presidential reelection bids. we have a pretty good idea of where things start out. host: this is the biden campaign ad that was put out this week. [video clip] >> too many people have been left behind and treated like they are invisible. my economic plan is about investing in places and people that have been forgotten while making things here in america again. joe biden is determined to reward hard work. that is why he passed historic laws to rebuild our roads and bridges, invest in our factories
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and bring back american manufacturing. joe biden is building an economy that leaves no city, and town, no american behind. >> we are investing in places and people that have been forgotten but we have not forgotten. we are building an economy from the bottom up in the middle out. nobody will be left behind. joe biden a precedent for all americans. host: that was president biden's rollout ad. how do you read that rollout in the media reaction? guest: he does a few interesting things. leaning into the economy. this has been one of the major criticisms that has led against biden and the democrats. we saw the midterm environment being dominated by questions on the cost of living, inflation.
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for bided come out of the gates offensively, not seeing any of that ground to whoever his republican opponent is. the other ad he released touched on the culture war. it was an aggressive launch. there's a lot of criticism about the president and i think his white house and operation have heard that. even by announcing their bed they were putting to rest a lot of the speculation about whether he would run again. he would be 86 at the end of the second term and as long his he has been elected there has been this persistent conversation,
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undertone about will he seek another term. will he be a bridge candidate and only seek one term and allow for an open primary. what this launched it was that he is in it for another term. he has in it with vice president harris for another term. they really wanted to put an end to all of that speculation. host: the president race, and might be a conversation that takes a little bit longer. you can call in on the phone lines as usual. the other question is the senate battlefield. the senate races that will define control of the upper chamber of the building behind me. a new out this week, 550 days away from elections. the national republican
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senatorial committee targeting west virginia's joe manchin. [video clip] joe manchin wrote the energy bill that put thousands of jobs at risk. then his poll numbers tanked. so mansion is changing his tune. he stood with biden and not west virginia. tell west virginia -- tell joe manchin we won't have him in west virginia again. host: how important is this seat the cycle? guest: with the chamber evenly divided every seat is equally important. republicans with 59 seats and
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republicans with 40. every single seat is one seat closer to getting the majority back. this west virginia seat is the most important. if they cannot win this one it's highly unlikely they can win back the majority because west virginia is such a republican state. we see them focusing on the state and trying to get joe manchin not to run to begin with. they recruited the governor to run against him. they are already running ads against him. they believe this seat is there biggest priority. host: you make it easy to try and get a sense of every race and every election. inside elections is somewhere viewers can go. i want to show different aspects
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inside senate ratings. you can see the battleground democratic seats. there are eight c in this listing of battleground democratic seats. if you go to battleground republican seats, there are no seeds in the republican category. democrats will be on the defensive. guest: democrats have had three good cycles when it comes to this class of senators. starting in 2000 and which we don't consider a great year for democrats. starting in 2000, 2006, all good cycles for senate democrats. what you ended up with his two third of the seats up for election are held by democrats and naturally they will play on the defense and offense. this year in particular, given
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the change in political landscape over the past couple of years. it is bad for them because they are defending quite a few seeds and states that donald trump one and more than ever of the best way for determining how estate is going to go for senate is how they vote for president. they are defending these seats in republican states like west virginia, montana, ohio as well as battleground states like pennsylvania and west virginia. i will mention texas and florida. these are the best opportunities democrats have on this map. we just saw a republican senator in florida when by 16 points. texas is not a democratic state. the fact that those are the best
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places the democrats have to look it speaks to how difficult the cycle is for them when looking at offensive opportunities. host: jacob rubashkin we can talk about house races, 550 days out from election day 2024. phone lines again (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8002 for independents. this is jerry and new jersey, line for democrats. good morning. caller: i have a couple of questions for you. one, do you think that the press is going to be honest and fair and told joe biden to questions. i am not talking about advanced questions that they write out in advance.
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questions he has to answer on his own. do you also think they will have debates? i am really curious. joe biden says no debates. do you think they will debate? and the other thing is, i don't believe joe biden is really going to run. the questions coming out about his finances and family, i think they will kick him out. host: as a democrat, who would you like to see ryan if not joe biden? caller: there is no democrat. i am not keen on any of them. they are also radical. host: you are calling in on the line for democrats. who would you like to see when? -win? caller: your guess is as good as mine. the republican side, hutchinson
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and haley, i don't think they are running to be president. i think they are running to be vice president. host: the press and biden, debates and does biden make it through the next 550 days as the candidate for the democratic party? guest: i think barring any unforeseen issue he will be the nominee for the democratic parties. they don't lose their primaries when they seek reelection. barring any sort of major unforeseen change, biden will be the nominee. he is clearly intending to run. i think on that front, that is the outcome there. on the question of debates, it
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is not traditional for democrats or republicans when they are incumbent presidents to have primary debates. president trump several challengers, joe walsh, mark sanford. three people who had more political credential than those running against joe biden and he did not debate them. barack obama did not do primary debates, george w. bush did not do primary debates. this is not something that normally happen so it is not unexpected for biden to say i am not going to debate marianne williamson or robert f. kennedy, jr.. candidates who don't have a shot of winning the nomination. i don't think we will see primary debates on the democrat side. it's interesting to see what will happen on the republican side because trump has said he
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will skip the first or second debate there. it is reasonable to expect that he might skip all primary debates and if he is the nominee there is an open question as to if he does the general election debates. debates are a topic of conversation and they are up in the air. host: we have 19 minutes before donald trump came up for the first time. on that topic, what is you are read of ron desantis and its ability to be donald trump or get into this race? guest: he is still in a position to be the primary challenger to try and the republican primary. he is pulling in a tear of his own. he has a financial advantage with his leftover funds from his
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gubernatorial fund. plus a super pac that is up and running with another $30 million. that puts him in a different position then your mike pence, nikki haley, asa hutchinson and other announced candidates. we are clearly not going in the right direction. he was rivaling trump and states but over the last three months we have seen a precipitous decline. host: was -- did the disney flap matter? guest: there are many number of answers. he is not a candidate for president. trump is running for president. he is doing the things he needs to do. according the endorsements and getting all the members of the florida delegation to endorse him. he is setting up delegate
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operations in early states and desantis has decided he is going to seed campaigning to a super pac. when you have one candidate out there on the trail doing the work in one candidate who is trying to keep to themselves. you will see a mismatch and that is showing up in the polling. now we are getting to the point where we talk about inevitability. all of a sudden, argue rick perry from 2016? are you scott walker and 2016, not the guy who runs the nomination but flames are early. host: from arizona, this is tony. caller: thank you very much.
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it is inevitable that with two incumbents running it will be trump against biden. the second thing, if the elections were held today, who would win that? host: who wins today? guest: if the election is held today, it is very close. that is with the national polling suggests depending on who you look at. you either see the tide raised or provided with the narrow edge. battleground states like michigan, arizona shows that biden has a slight advantage. these are very unpopular political figures. joe biden remains unpopular among the electorate. trump remains unpopular with the electorate.
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when you have that kind of situation you are probably going to get a close result. we have 550 days before the election. it's good to have that reminder. we are still quite a ways away. there is campaign left to happen. tonight will be close and it will be close in to your question about inevitability. i don't think anything is inevitable in politics. we have seen crazier things happen. inca where we were and may have 2019 versus when we were sitting in isolation. we were hanging out together, we were wearing masks. it was a very different world. we can fly international as opposed to 2020 when we were all in our pods. i think trump is clearly the favorite to win the nomination
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and the republican party. biden is clearly the favorite to be the democratic nominee. despite most of the country saying they're not ready for a rematch. host: let's go to a republican in florida. dennis, good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i just want to know when trump was in office, i want to get back to that. host: can i get your thoughts on
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ron desantis and if you would like to see him jump into this race. caller: i like desantis. i am not a big fan of donald trump, i am all for the man's policies. i don't know why the media has tried to turn that into something derogatory. we can't be a great tower if we can't be great again. we have been in decline for years, obama started all of that. i am not a racist at all. but they tried to paint the republican party is racist.
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that is not something that is true. host: there was a time where it felt like america was great again 2016-2020? caller: satan again? host: was there a time where you felt america was great again? caller: we were on top of the world. everyone was afraid of us. donald trump, he did not show his cards. you can't solve everybody's problems. we are creating more problems for ourselves talking about solving other people's problems. we are not helping american people. this country has become a joke from a political standpoint. in the media is enabling that. host: let me come back to the
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point of the media and joe biden? guest: if there are things out there about biden they will come out. at the moment, all of there is his innuendo. we have been hearing for a long time since republicans took back control of the house of representatives that there was going to be this investigation into biden, the financial dealings. if there are things they are, they will come out. so far, it doesn't seem to be anything more than innuendo and speculation. we have seen the media report critically on joe biden before, on the withdrawal from afghanistan on issues of inflation. no democrat will tell you that over the past year or so the
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media has not been fair to their guy either. host: either way we have 550 days to figure that out. guest: when you get back to the october surprises, stories can come out late in the game the damage candidates. it was the comey letter nine days before hillary clinton lost in the election that upended that race and even that comey press conference came a year later in the cycle than we were. when we think of the entire covid-19 pandemic all of that place in 2020 further along in the cycle than now. there is a lot more reporting to be done. host: can you pull the curtain
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x opposition by the other side. dropped in a reporter lap. is that a lot of what happens on the campaign trail? is it reporters doing this on their own? what is your sense of how much of this is good opposition research that these campaigns funnel through the media to wash their hands of it. >> >> every reporter operates different lee, and every campaign has its own dynamic, and obviously, campaign spend a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort on opposition research. this is one of those pillars of modern-day campaigning, taking into your opponent and finding salacious material and trying to get it out. >> having trackers 24/7. >> campaigns with resources, so the outside groups, they spent an enormous amount of honey, they are attaching young people
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with cameras to their opponent to follow them around and rip cord to trying and catch even a slight slip up that could be used in a campaign at art -- down the line. that certainly happens. the colonel of a lot of these stories we see, they originate with some sort of opposition research. what is important to remember is that it is not always the case. i know this personally, and a lot of reporters spend a lot of time going and looking and digging through the finance report and digging through spinning reports. i spend more time than i care to admit in the federal communications commission. just looking for things that don't seem right. it is a solid mix, and we need to remember that as reporters we have a responsibility first and foremost to the truth, so it doesn't matter what anyone calls us up and says you should look into this spending or disguise
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account or this or that because that is the very beginning of the process. there are days, bonds, weeks, however long it takes to fully excavate and understand if this is a story that is true. if it is as damaging as the other side is spinning it, or is this something everyone does that is accepted for the last hundred years? three dozen steps are in the process after that first kind of -- hey, you should look out for that intervene before you get to a published story, so a good reporter cares about their work and their craft and they will be taking every step and precaution to make sure no matter what they right, no matter where it began, is true and thoughtful and comprehensive. >> a nice defense of the campaign reporter. i'm sure they will appreciate that. abby's text. democrat and washington, d.c.. >> good morning. great to see jacob on.
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i want to talk about the presidential race with the context of the recent news regarding congress. i think it was mentioned that joe biden will be as -- an 80-year-old by the end of his term. and there is a lot of talk about dianne feinstein and her ability to complete her abilities. i wonder if that means there will be conversation about biden's age or if they will be sort of separate because he doesn't have the kind of acute health crisis that diane feinstein doesn't have with her shingles. >> continued talked about that? >> diane feinstein was saying -- the senior senator from california, she is one of the older members of the united states senate. she has been absent from the chamber for the last several months as she recovers from a case of shingles. there has been a persistent question over the last year so about the state of her health
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area ability to continue doing her job as senator. there have been several members of congress who called her to resign her post and allow governor gavin newsom to appoint a replacement. it is a good point about the larger question of age in politics. this is one that is clearly on a lot of voters minds when you ask why they don't want john biden to be president again. invariably, they will bring up his age is one of the major reasons, but i do think specifically towards the senator, the number of people tracking her progress, tracking the traditional confirmations that are moving or not moving because she is absent from her spot on the committee, that is a slice of the population that is smaller than the people who are aware of and care about joe biden's age, and to your last point, we are seeing the same
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kind of acute question about joe biden that we are about senator feinstein, so there are a number of significant differences between the two cases, but overall, we are seeing, as people live longer and the roots of congress stay in office, we are seeing an increase focus on the question of age in politics. >> tony, independent, you are on. >> good morning. i found c-span just about every day, and it's a great thing without any fast food ads and all this other stuff, but i got a question about possibilities. everyone's talking. we have such a long time before the election. i want to throw out two names that i would support. on the spot. i think it is all about
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integrity. we need a brand-new cast of characters and i think liz cheney as president and amy klobuchar as a vice president. what do you think about the possibility of that happening in's we've so much time left because i think these two ladies would have a tremendous following from the silent majority, and i think they would straighten out just about everything we are dealing with in this country. i think the worldview -- i think it would be great for the international community. i think this would be a strong match and they are just good people. >> talk about it. >> those are two women who have either expressed interest in running for president or in the case of the senator have run for president. running for a democratic nomination in 2020, and amy klobuchar being on the list of potential vice presidential
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nominees along with president biden. clearly, this is something both of them have considered. liz cheney talks a lot about running for president in the primary or as an independent, i think the problem with these kinds of unity tickets is just wondering who the constituency is. if there is a critical mass of people who are willing to overlook such distinctions in political ideology in order to vote or an independent ticket that is comprised of that. liz cheney is a conservative member of congress before she became a number one antagonists of president trump. she was on track to be the first republican woman to be speaker of the house, but people were saying that about her, and now,
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we think of her as this hero to the left in many ways because of the way she stood up to trump as a republican in congress, but voters care about a lot more issues than just questions about donald trump, the integrity of our democracy and the assault on the capital, and trump's attempt to overthrow that election. i think voters care about that, but they also care about the bread-and-butter issues where someone like senator klobuchar and congresswoman janie, they diverge based on the affiliation, so there are certainly a lot of people who get excited about the prospect of that ticket, but i think it is an open session as to just how many people, when it comes to shove, who would hold that lever or the unity ticket. knowing the constraints on third parties in the political systems we have today. x gregory of washington
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maryland. good morning. >> good morning. this is my monthly call, so i hope i can make my point, but first of all, the caller that called in about the republican party -- i've been a republican my entire life, and the reason it appears racist sometimes is because of what's in the news, into supports, and the proud boys and all of these organizations, but i don't believe they are racist the second point is, you played a add about the senator, running where he would reveal his own bill and that was taken out of context because his actual comments were that if joe biden didn't follow through, he would
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repeal his own bill, so this is politics, and further that guest, i also like liz cheney. she was a true staunch conservative, and she had the wherewithal to stand up to donald trump. >> you are republican who also likes joe manchin. that is fair? >> no. i don't -- i am not a fox guy or or just look at news and support conservative ideas. i try to look at all of it. i did hear joe manchin -- all of his comments, and i want to went out that that is dirty politics because you are taking comments and portraying them incorrectly.
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for the guest, i really would like to know how he feels about tim scott and these others jumping into the the race. are they a detriment or does he feel they are going to add anything or help bring out any issues, and i will take my answer off the air. >> thank you. >> is a good question about some of these other candidates in the primary. you mention tim scott of south carolina. i think his candidacy is an interesting one. he is one of the most prominent -- prominent black republicans. he has a unique perched in the party. he is second to ron desantis of course from the strongest financial base of any contender. he has stockpiled for than $20 million in the senate account that he can repurpose to his presidential run as soon as he
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makes that show. he is in a quasi-official stage exploring a presidential run, but we can expect him to announce in a couple of weeks, and he is a different locus than a lot of other members of the party. his vision is optimistic in many ways it talking about his own story and the story of america, where president trump likes to talk out the negatives and paint a very bleak and pessimistic picture of the country. tim scott has a lot of a sunny disposition and that contrast will be interesting if we ever get to a debate stage with the two of them and some of these other candidates. i think every candidate bring something different to the republican primary. when you have a figure as dominant as trump, the question is whether he can get the message out and carve a lane away from the former to is such
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a major force in the conversation. >> on political ads and comments out of context and political ads, is that being shocked that there is gambling in the casino? >> it is unfortunate. politicians and campaign committees and the people who do this for a live in our way to go as far as they can to serve their own needs, and i would say that everyone has google. everyone has the ability to do the very basic background research. it you aren't familiar, every time, legally, when someone makes a statement like that and add, they say, joe manchin voted against this or ted cruz voted for this, but they have to include a citation, and is usually a font on the bottom of the screen, but they will always have congressional record citation.
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it is this vote or it is from this newspaper on the state and you can take that, you can plug it into google, and you can find the source material, so it is not uncommon for me and my course of reporting that you ask about a process to see an ad and say well, this is really same rate i can't believe this person did it read then, go back to the basics and find out that this was a very different situation than the one that comes to mind. there was an ad in the republican primary last year. a runoff between mike durant and a woman named katie boyd rated mike durant ran an ad attacking katie britt on abortion and saying that she voted to abide abortion on demand to students in alabama. i said wow. she was the chief of taft to richard shelby. she is pro-life and she has made a big part of her campaign.
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how did everyone miss this. then i looked at the citation, and is from the university of alabama student newspaper from over a decade ago, and i read the article and it turns out that it was about a student council vote when she was president that she did vote about, but it was a school of thought within the student unity that potentially as president, she had some sort of arcane power to stall or stop a resolution that would call on the university to provide plan b in the student pharmacies. that is a very convoluted process. he became katie boyd print and allowed on demand abortion and in the university of alabama in the campaign ad. it just goes to show you that it's more complex than it's made out to be. quick she is now senator pritt. the add to that work. tom. democrat.
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>> i like to ask a question. what influence do you think artificial intelligence may have been the 2024 election. if it may have an election in went's, and if it would have one on the out come. thank you. >> that's an excellent question. ai is all the rage. we have seen an intense bout of media intentioned from the republican national committee per their first web video -- web video was entirely ai generated. they were public about it. they said this is what were doing, but all of the images in the ad were not photographs. they were generated by ai, and this set off a conversation in the community. just the other day, the association of nickel consultants which is a multi-partisan coordination that includes most of the major
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consultants country, the people who make ads into polling, do mailers, they put up a statement said we totally reject this. we think it's entirely an approach it. we will not consider this for our recognition or awards. anything that is created using ai technology. it doesn't matter if you say upfront you are using ai. this is something that worries us, so we are starting to see pushback. usually going to make this information that much more volatile. we now have the technology to create not just visual but audio replication of public figures and it will make it much more incumbent on both the news media and the consumer to understand what to look for to provide weather what you are seeing is legitimate. if it is something that actually happened or if it was generated by an algorithm. it is much more difficult, and i would not be surprised if we saw
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people trying to stir things up. malicious use of ai. >> here's a real story from just one state. a congresswoman from new york, democrat introduced a bill that would require campaign ads. the upcoming election cycle would be the first time in history where ai content will be used in political content by super max. unfortunately our super laws have not kept pace with artificial intelligence and if ai generated content and to see manipulation, it could be a devastating consequence on our election security. this bill would require disclosure in the wake of the ad. >> this is a real pressing issue and it is on the mind of a lot of members of not just the
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political community, but of course congress themselves. this is something that everyone is very concerned about. the other thing i would say is that we have had photoshop for quite some time. sometimes we don't give ourselves enough credit for being able to discern what is real from what is fake and it is really about understanding the possibility as media practitioners but also as people who consume a lot of media to do the due diligence and not just to blindly repeat or share the first thing that we see on our timelines because as has been for quite some time, not everything you see on the internet is true and >> let me try to get one or two more calls it sandy tennessee, independent. good morning. >> good morning. you had a couple callers from new york that just stole my thunder. it was brought up. liz cheney and klobuchar.
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i don't know if that is a winning ticket or not but at least whoever runs for

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