>> this morning on washington journal, we will get your thoughts on the situation at the u.s. southern border and title 42 comes to an end. others will join us to share their views on the issue. washington journal starts now. ♪ host: we will begin on this thursday, may 11 with the current gop front runner and former president donald trump on

cnn's town hall last night. we want to get your reaction from what you heard from the president -- former president. democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans, (202) 748-8001, independents, (202) 748-8002. you can text your information with your first name, city, and state at (202) 748-8003. you can also send a tweet with the handle @cspanwj. we will start with the town hall. then we will turn our attention to title 42, that pandemic error emergency health policy that is ending at midnight tonight and

house republicans are putting their border security proposal on the floor for a vote. we will turn to that policy debate but first from cnn's town hall, let's begin from a question from one of the participants in new hampshire. this was out from the audience of republicans and independent voters. will you pardon best january 6 writers who were convicted of federal offenses? [video clip] >> i am obliged to pardon everyone of them. not every single one. if you look at what they have done to brooklyn and ntp up -- and people, what they have done to minneapolis. look at seattle and be alone -- blm. these people -- many people were

killed. you have two standards of this country and what they have done to so many people is nothing and what they have done to these people, they have persecuted these people and my answer is, i am most likely -- i would say, it will be a large person -- portion of them. they did a very -- [applause] they are living in hell. dear policemen and firemen and soldiers and they are carpenters and electricians and great people. many are great people. >> one of the people who was convicted was a former policeman but he was convicted of attacking a police officer but when you say you are can tittering work -- pardoning a large portion of those crimes, this data include the four prop boys members -- proud boys

members. >> i can't say but in washington dc you cannot get up fail -- fair trial is like in new york city, you cannot get a fair trial. host: he called january 6 a great day. the current resident said -- the current president said -- cnn's kayla collins is getting credit for fact checking. one person from the washington post says --

irritable -- eric wemple -- jerry in detroit, michigan, what did you think of the tahoe. -- of the town hall. caller: let's just say they are making a big mistake by letting trombone. greetings from motown. i want to address if i could -- if i could many of the lies don't trump is telling and much of the false equivalencies. he told the lie that he has been requested that national guard and nancy pelosi turned it down even though pelosi was not in

charge of or had no authority over the capital. second of all, he tries to make these false equivalencies between what those white men did at the capital, beating police with flag poles, he is trying to compare that to members of black lives matter. i am here to tell anyone who is listed, -- listening, that black lives matter never committed acts of violence. they have no proof it was them and i think to compare that to what happened on january 6, i think it is a total false equivalency on their part and i think a lot of the republicans calling out will make that apples and oranges comparison. host: i heard your point and i

want to get in richard, in utica, new york. what you think of the tahoe -- town hall? caller: good morning. it was a disgrace. as a conservative, it was a disgrace. donald trump called all the capitol police officers asked -- thugs. the man who was at the glass trying to protect members of congress, he called him a thug and cnn should be sued by the capital police. donald trump had a chance to go to court and face people -- he hid behind a social media and the judge said we could not even believe -- released the names of

the jurors because their lives would be in danger. cnn irresponsibly gave -- he steamrolled her. lies after lies. she couldn't have -- handle it. he said he is going to let that january 6 run the town. we know he is going to do it. this is what he was banned on twitter. this is why he was checked off on facebook because the man is a danger and one final point. millions of his supporters have been emboldened. that audience was packed with nothing but his supporters. it turned into a trump rally and they aren't bothered. -- they are emboldened.

host: cindy, republican. caller: good morningcaller:. i don't think it is a bad thing, what cnn did. let the american people hear what the man has to say. no one was to hear what donald trump has to say but we have to listen to everything the other side has to say about anything and we have to take it as absolute truth. we are living in an era, my truth, my truth. that is all we hear. who is to say what is true and what is not anymore? we want to talk trump and his lights --wife. let's look at joe biden and his wife. you cannot call out one without calling out the other and i think your program would be well served to talk about the

discovery of what is going on with the biotin --biden crime family. that was big news but it was covered up conveniently by george santos. host: there was a lot of news yesterday and we covered the news conference you are talking about led by congressman james, --comer. she led the oversight. what they have discovered, you can read about in the papers by go to our website, and you will find the entire news conference with the questions from reporters. c-span.org -- those are some of the key moments highlighted. host: eric, cedartown, georgia.

democratic. caller: the media has it wrong. trump is not the head of this but it is the american people, the majority white people in this country. they support trump and trump is a reflection of them. the average person does not realize that a lot of people in the fbi and the police forces and they are preachers. they are all throughout the society. what we must look at, even you, you are right. you probably have some of these same trump supporters in your family. elizabeth warren said these people are out here. they are insurrectionist and they support crime. what they want is to maintain the white privilege in the u.s.

which they always have. if it were for black people during the civil-rights era and fighting through slavery, a lot of these immigrants coming over here -- a lot of them would not have those rights if it were not for black people but we are always looked at and looked down one in this country. they want to support it but not on them. they want to treat people how they want to and get away with it. we are affected by this everyday and a lack -- in our lives, but people are. host: did you watch the cnn town hall? caller: i watched it and it speaks for itself. they are not for law enforcement. they are against law enforcement if it is equally applied to everyone. host: got your point. why did cnn do this town hall.

a reporter from the washington post says, for one, donald trump is the front one and for the republican nominee. this is what cnn does, tom hawes, debates, live coverage of location -- on location. cnn is a breaking news class that loves nothing more than making its own breaking news. break, we will hear from you -- greg what -- we will hear from you, what did you think? caller: i would not watch cnn if it would save my life. you people kill me. you jump on here with this trump stuff. that is all we would hear from the next week. i am lost. you let these bidens get away with murder. you people are being -- msbs or

something. host: we covered the news conference with oversight shared james comer and republican members of the oversight midi and can find it on our website c-span.org. the president was asked about the debt ceiling debate and the way forward. [video clip] >> when we had the economy rocking and rolling prior to covid, we were making a fortune and we were going to make so much oil -- money from oil, we would paid -- pay off debt but when covid came in, we have to to do other things. we have to get the country back and lower and -- energy prices and interest rates. energy has to come down and we have to start paying off debt. when we have a debt limit and

they said, very seriously and chuck schumer came in with nancy pelosi and they talked differently than they do now. if they don't give you massive cuts, you will have to do a default. i don't believe they are going to do it because i think the democrats will cave. you don't want to have that happen. it is better than what we are doing now because we are spending money like drunken stick ehlers -- drunken sailors. >> you think the u.s. should default if republicans do not agree -- >> our country is dying. our country is being stored by very stupid people. [laughter] >> you one set by -- that using the debt ceiling as a negotiation -- negotiating wedge could not happen. why is it different that your out of office?

>> because i am not president. [laughter] host: new york times, five ticket ways from last night's cnn town hall. republicans cheered but so the democrats looking to the general election. he hailed the overturning of roe v. wade as a great victory. he didn't say if ukraine would win the war against russia. he talked about how women get their way -- purposely separating families at the border. mr. trump answers play well in the hall but that also find their way into democratic messaging and the biden campaign was figuring out what segment can be turned weekly into digital ads.

before the town hall and after last night, hall, a new pack created by the former congresswoman republican wyoming liz cheney, the great pac air in this ad before and after cnn -- hayward this ad --pac aired this ad before and after the cnn town all --hall. >> he betrayed millions of americans by telling the election was stolen. he mobilized a mop to come to washington in march on the capital. he watched on television while the mob attacked law enforcement and invaded the capital and hunt to the vice president. there has never been a greater dereliction of duty by any president.

trump was warned repeatedly that his plan for january 6 was illegal. he did not care and today he celebrates them to attack our capital. donald trump as rubin he is -- has proven he is unfit for office. he is unfit for america. host: back to your calls, mike in north carolina, republican. caller: good morning. yes, ma'am. i have sacrificed and watched cnn last night. mr. trump is my president and he will be our president again. let me ask you this, mr. trump new he was going to go into an enemy territory. as mr. biden been anywhere besides -- has mr. biden been anywhere besides his basement and is on a delaware -- his home

in delaware? all these democrats talking about how mr. trump is maga and racist. that is garbage. when mr. trump was president, the black unemployment was low and hispanic unemployed was low. everything was good until the china virus came in. found she is the one that is behind all this garbage --fauci is behind though -- all this garbage. mr. biden won't do press conference and donald trump has entered questions for 20 and 30 minutes. joe biden handles -- and just two questions and his handlers get in -- him into his airplane because he is stupid and incompetent and dianne feinstein

has more sense than he does. you will talk about title 42, our country will see a mass invasion. we need to close the border because this is going to be a mass invasion. host: can i ask you, do you think it was a mistake or was it smart that president trump, former president went on town hall last night? caller: it was smart because you have to go to the opposite side and talk to the people. joe biden what i do it because he is scared. obama won't let him. host: sam, ridge, new york. democratic caller. caller: i watched a town hall meeting. i don't think cnn did a good enough job to let him explain what he really means about some

of these issues, like one of the issues is guns. the illegal guns. he says he stands for the second amendment but he said -- did not say what he would do with all the shootings and the guns that are getting into the hands of the criminals and people responsible. i don't understand why they did not make him explain that because that is one of the biggest issues right now. host: rich in hickory hills, illinois, independent. what was your reaction to last night's cnn town hall? caller: my reaction is i don't understand given this man convicted -- he has been convicted. the files bankruptcy. -- he files bankruptcy. this is the guy i want to put in charge of my economy? i don't like the man and when i

see what people are doing to follow this guy, i don't understand why you would want somebody. we talk about, if you think donald trump is a criminal and if you think joe biden is a criminal, you charge the man and pursue the charges. if he is convicted, kulak him up and if you will not do that, this is adolf hitler. he gets into power and where it will go from there, this is what slater -- what scares me. if we allow this person to rule our country. i -- he is talking about the fall. this is the interpretation of what he will do to the economy. what will he do to the rest of us? i see his direction and i don't

want to go that way and i want to give the man the time to convince me otherwise. host: a republican in point pleasant beach, new jersey. lyn, go ahead. caller: i am heartbroken with everything. i am so over all this vitriol and ugliness. when i listen to everybody speaking, of how much information they watch and where they get it, most people don't understand what the situation is with the debt ceiling. they think you have a magic wand and you can choose to add or subtract to it. host: what did you think of the former president's response to the question? caller: like everything, he talks in circles.

he tries to play to the people who are there for the standup tour -- as i call it. you can tell what the applause, where people's thoughts are with what he says. he can just accuse people of doing things that never happened and get half the country to believe him. how can we get real information to people when all they are listening to our couple of radio stations and podcasts? host: who is your candidate in 2024? caller: so far, it is not a republican. host: your calling on a republican line. caller: i am because i didn't know where else to call from. i really -- i voted democrat, i voted republican and since i was calling under my desk in grade

school, hiding from the cuban bombs, since i have been nervous for this country. this is after civil rights and stonewall and you name it and no one is trying to take the republican's guns away. host: you can call on the independent line if you want to. ricky, independent color. --caller. caller: all the republicans are drinking the kool-aid because how they want to vote for the man -- sexual assault. you don't, more likely it will be like convicted during the january 6.

things like insurrection and bake still want to boot -- and they still want to believe in hell. host: i will play walmart moment from -- i will play one more moment from the town hall from those -- and from those who have supported the president and even gelcoat -- and even gelcoat, if you want to talk, i would like to hear your reaction of what the former president said, if you would sign the federal abortion ban into law. [video clip] >> we want to do what is right for everyone. the people who are pro-life are negotiating -- have negotiating capability. you didn't have it before. now they -- >> this is important for you to answer because this is something

every republican are being asked about. would you sign a federal abortion ban into law? >> many of them would give you the same answers. i am honored to have done what you -- i did. people will say, in 150 years, he is the most consequential president because he has saved so many lives. [applause] because i what -- because of what i have done, we have a great negotiating ability and i think we will -- >> what do you mean because the question that republicans ask and some allies on capitol hill say they want to introduce legislation on abortion. if they send it to your desk, would you sign it? >> president trump is going to make a determination what he thinks is great for the country and what is fair for the country. the fact that i was able to

terminate roe v. wade after 50 years of trying. they work 50 years and i was so honored to have done it. we are in a good negotiating position only because of what i was able to do. host: the former president on whether or not he would sign the abortion ban, a federal one. he did not answer the question. caitlin collins asked again if you would sign a federal abortion ban -- if you would sign a federal abortion ban. mike. caller: i did not know this from things happening in -- this trump thing was happening on cnn. i don't know why we are talking about this guy and he is a disgraceful issues of a human being and he deserves no legitimacy whatsoever will stop when i see those -- whatsoever. when i see those maga stickers,

i called them out in public. we need to let them know they are not welcome, their ideology is not welcome in this society and this is getting so bad. these guys are actual nazi enablers, they are traitors. they are a virus of humanity that needs to be excised politically. these midwesterners and southerners live in a bubble. everything is like projection with them. every one of their little topics. host: i want to hear from gary in cleveland, ohio. republican. caller: good morning, how are we doing this morning? host: good morning. caller: that last caller, i don't think he understands america. we are a divided nation at this

time and the division, he doesn't recognize 50% of the country. getting back to the conversation of what i thought about the town hall, i think trump did a great job. in regards to the abortion, he wants to see what the legislation might come what would -- come up with in regards to abortion and see what the country feels about it. we will decide to sign it or not sign it. the interviewer last night with trump, the interruptions, i thought that was disgraceful. she never gave trump a to respond to questions. -- trump a chance to respond to questions from stop -- questions. i look at the economy now and what a disgrace. the person in charge of our

economy has done a terrible job and i feel sorry for my children and grandchildren. -- grandchildren for what the future holds. host: we will take a break and when we come back, we will turn our attention to title 42, the emergency public order put in place during the pandemic during the public -- trump administration that allows public officials to turn back migrants at the border. it will end tonight. we will be right back. ♪ >> book tv every sunday on c-span two features leading off -- authors discussing their best-selling books stop that really -- but we -- books.

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today's washington journal and we are talking about title 42? less listen to the homeland security -- let's listen to the home and security secretary talking about what this means for title 42 to be ending. >> we will be building lawful pathways to provide a safe and orderly way for individuals that qualify for relief under the u.s. law to reach the u.s. safely. we are building on the success of the role processes we announced for january 5. we saw 95% drop in the number of encounters of those individuals at our southern order because we built lawful pathways for them to access and that is the model we are building upon. last thursday, took -- tony blinken and i announce the development of regional

processing centers in different parts of south and central america to enable individuals to access lawful pathways from those regional processing centers, whether they qualify for refugee processing, whether they qualify for existing and expanding family reunification problems -- processes. we are reaching the people where they are. it is not only our security obligation, it is our humanitarian responsibility to cut the smugglers out and that is what we are doing. we are building pathways. at the same time, we will deliver consequences for individuals who arrive after -- at our southern border regularly. -- irregularly. that is our way to cut the

smugglers out and take care of the safety and need of individuals who qualify for relief. in a post title 42 environment, we will be using our expedited removal authorities under title eight of the united states code. that allows us to remove individuals very quickly. host: the homeland security secretary and brownsville, texas last week talking about title 42 ending. the headlines in the papers talk about what they are expecting at the border. this is from wall street journal/ -- they know for. the patrol is averaging -- they know that border patrol is averaging -- your reaction, your thoughts on title 42 and immigration policy. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001.

independence -- independents, (202) 748-8002. text us with your thoughts, first name, city and state at (202) 748-8003. joining us is the immigration reporter to talk about today's lord -- floor proceedings in the house. what are republicans proposing in this border security bill? guest: house republicans are planning to vote today on a victory package. it would restart border wall production. it will put more money and personnel toward the personnel and border security technology and mandate employers to verify electronically that employees have authorization to work in the country and other provisions aimed at increasing immigration.

host: it seemed to have hit a snag. who were the holdouts and what do they want added? guest: there were two issues that cause disagreement agreement internally with republicans yesterday. one of those issues was related to provisions designating for cartels as a terrorist organization and that was something that was important to texas republican tony gonzales. he wanted stronger language in other republicans were concerned that this line which might make it easier for immigrants fleeing cartels to qualify for asylum. they were concerned that this would decimate the agricultural industry that relies heavily on

undocumented workers. there were members who have the concerns and they were resolved, the language on floor cartels was weakened. the language on everify, while they did not shield from the provisions, it offered nonbinding language showing back -- that the biden administration should consider that the effects on the mandate on the agricultural industry. it looks like they are on track to pass the bill. host: they have the votes? guest: it appears that way. they have the votes to move debate and it seems like the issues people have raised have been resolved. host: we were showing our

viewers what the homeland security secretary had to say about the expiration of title 42. the homeland security released a asylum of policy --asylum policy. what is it? guest: today, -- it is a symbolic vote. the biden administration has been doing a lot to try to prepare. they are expecting to see quite a few members. that is because of all the pent-up demand because of this policy having been in place. the biden administration is tackling this from two fronts, trying to expand legal pathways to a cursed people to apply legally to come to the country. the asylum policy except the letter point. it would make it harder for all that test to qualify for asylum

if you try to pass through another country on your way to the u.s. it would encourage people to use one of the legal pathways they set out or make an appointment on a government app to make an asylum claim at the scheduled time on the border. host: what do you expect next from homeless security and repeat the number you said, what is the number they are expecting at the border when this title 42 ends? guest: the department of homeland security has projected we can see as many as 13,000 migrants crossing the border which is at the front of it. significant increase. it may not be that high and it could be higher and when i speak to people at the border, there is uncertainty about what this will mean because of the expulsion policy title 42 has

been in place since march 2020. host: suzanne monyak. you can follow her reporting today if you go to @rollcall. robert in fayetteville, pennsylvania. democratic caller. what do you think about this immigration debate, title 42 ending? caller: i don't understand what joe biden was talking about. he was waiting for the funds to be ready for this, funds were -- for that. they were asking him questions he could not answer and he is pushing things back and pushing things back in talking about title 42 -- and talking about title 42 there. we have plenty of things to use against this invasion. we are being invaded.

there is a reason for us to treat it like any more desperate invasion. there are places of many people across the border trying to come in. host: robert, explain why you see it as an invasion. that sounds like a threat so explain that and do you share -- caller: open your eyes. host: do you share concerns that others have that these people are fleeing gangs and violence and in some cases, environmental disasters? caller: they are not willing to come here legally to knock on the door, to go to the embassies and to get proper paperwork. those are the legal points of entry. that is how you go and enter a country legally.

they're trying to sneak in. if there was any -- if this was any other country in the world that was happening too, we would not condemn them. if any one would show up with a water to resist -- at the border to resistance invasion. pickup truck with a rack in the back of it. we have plenty of those. stacie: eric -- host: eric in virginia. republican. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good morning. caller: i have a question for you. i have been a republican my whole life but what is joe biden doing differently than what trumpeted -- trump then --did? as i understand it, the immigration policy has been

exactly the same. people have been saying a flood of immigrants have been coming over but the policy is the same. am i wrong there? host: what do you mean? caller: joe biden has had the same policies that trump had vote when i talked to my other conservative friends, they act like there is a flood of immigrants coming in. the border is wide open. is that true or not? host: this is from the new york times. the most recent major u.s. laws for refugees, asylum seekers and immigration enforcement date to the 1980's and 1990's. they have not been updated to adapt to modern challenges. the limit on visas allowing for people to work in the was web-based on the size of the economy in the 90's.

these limits have been the same. the facilities built on the border were designed to hold mexican men who cross illegally in search of work. these resemble jail like settings. the government has noted -- fees are not for children -- these are not for children. it is not enough to address a large number of people entering the country. enforcement managers at the border were largely divided for -- not for thousands of people fleeing to -- humanitarian crises, who turned themselves in to the authorities once they reach the border. many hoping to seek asylum. . congress cannot agree on how to revise these laws. democrat take -- democratic and

republican lawmakers have failed to reach a compromise because of a broader disagreement on who should be allowed to enter and to stay in the u.s. and for how long. you can read more in dinner times. let's hear from janet in alabama. what are your thoughts? caller: i don't have -- i'm not sure if i have much thoughts are not. i am 80 years old and i live in alabama and i am a american. first and foremost, i am a american. i don't know to whom i am i -- speaking. all right, i am going to -- host: all right, i am going to leave it there. for all of you that are hanging on the line, you get television and listen and talk through your phone so you do not get that confusion or hear that fever --

here that feedback. on the washington journal, throughout today's program, we are talking to lawmakers on capitol hill and we will be joined by six of them this morning throughout today's program. first up, congressman lou carrera, member of the homeland security subcommittee on border security and enforcement and he has been top democrat on that committee. let's begin with title 42 ending at midnight tonight. as the country prepared -- is the country repaired? caller: we have a worldwide -- guest: we have a worldwide refugee movement we have not seen since world war ii and in world war ii, we had 60 million people on the move. after covid, the world is economically devastated. the only country that is left that is operating on all cylinders is the usa.

you have people starving around the world, china, india, latin america and to have america manufacturers -- and you have america. manufacturers are saying we need workers and people to come in. every town i have a group from my district, they ask for more workers and more people to work and take care of older people. you talk about title 42. title 42 is a health care measure. my colleagues, republicans voted to end the health care crisis brought by title 42 and by law you have to end title 42. the biden administration is repairing for it. -- preparing for it. 1500 more troops, california natural -- national guard and texas national guard. the challenges there. refugees, jobs opening in the

u.s., any time you have those refugees coming across the border, they disappear into america and they get a job. they blend in. on top of that, don't forget, we have the refugee on top of the fact that for 35 years, we ignore the immigration. immigration reform, we have 11 million workers or more in this country that is -- that are part of the economy that don't have a front door. 20 years in the u.s. and cannot work legally but they are working. the challenge today is congress asked to sit down, both sides -- congress has to sit down, both sides, and practice and republicans -- and democrats and republicans and come up with a solution. we have been building a border wall since bill clinton was

president. everyone is talking about let's secure the border before we have immigration reform. what we will vote on tomorrow is a package of goods and includes e-verify mandatory. it is a doctor -- dagger that goes after employers. farmers, small and big businesses. you employees people and you are a criminal. these are honest business books --f andl you haveo workers doing nothing but workingks -- these are honest business folks and you have work doing nothing but working. host: is there anything in pepper balls that you like and of -- in the proposal that you would like and you would agree to? caller: i want to work with -- guest: i want to work with my colleagues because i have democrats that are not interested with working with me but i think common sense,

americans coming together for the best interest of america, we can't come up with solutions -- we can't come up with solutions. my colleagues in georgia, they need farmworkers and california needs manufacturing hands. we can do this but we can -- have to put politics aside. immigration reform, there is nothing there that says i have a person in my district that have been for 25 years and they cannot get in. we need the best scientists, computer scientists, engineers. we cannot get them into the country. let's think about the children and the world we are leaving for them. we have to make sure america continues to be the strongest economy. that is why these people are coming because the jobs are here. every time there is a refugee in another part of the world, gets a phone call from a relative and

america says i have a job for you. so-and-so says, we will hire you as soon as you come. host: who is showing up at the southern border? what type of migrant rbc. -- are we seeing? guest: traditionally, they are mexican and central americans but today, they are not the majority. the majority are from china and india and latin america. columbia is dealing with 2.5 million venezuelan refugees. i got a phone call from the president of guatemala on friday and he said, i need your help. we are being overwhelmed by refugees from latin america and we don't know what to do. mexico has a massive problem. this is not america's problem.

this is be america's problem -- this is the america's problem. we have to change the way we think and we have to think about working with north american american and central and south american continents. we have ignored them. host: congressman lou carrera, democrat. we thank you for sharing some time with us this morning on this busy morning on capitol hill. guest: -- host: we will go back to your calls this morning. you heard from the congressman and his perspective on what needs to be done on immigration policy. kyle and eight brunswick, maryland -- kyle in brunswick, maryland. democratic color. --caller. caller: good morning. you and the team do a fantastic

job on managing all these viewpoints. kudos to you guys. also partly, -- most importantly, it is interesting to hear the debate on yesterday and the conservative epoxy. they can't come together on the e-verify component. all these jobs are being taking -- taken by immigrants and as a representative said, there are laser jobs still needed. we need borders. expand the worker visa and make it work but conservatives are unwilling to do that. host: kyle, talk about the e-verify debate you are listening to yesterday -- were listening to yesterday. caller: even on the democratic side, the commerce member saying this will be a dagger to businessmen and farmers and large corporations.

it isn't that contradictory -- we need to keep these immigrants out and we still need to work them for cheap. host: what do you think could be done if the two sides came together? caller: expanding the worker visa program and making it well-known to jobs that are available and dedication. it is our whole society, giving our kids the right direction and pathways to be prepared for these jobs and pay properly. host: kyle's thoughts. robin is in -- a republican in pennsylvania. your turn. caller: some of these democrats calling are saying about the policy change. there was a policy change, when president biden took office, he

dropped the whole thing that trump had where they stay in mexico. they were building the border law and there are still some walls that have to be built. when joe biden took office, he was supposed to uphold the laws of the u.s. we have a border and he has let it go to the cartels. we don't know who is coming in here. i feel sorry for people. you can't just let people come in here mother countries and don't know who they are and why isn't mayorkas impeached? he gets on tv every day and lives. the border is closed. it is the cartels spreading rumors. give me a break. these democrats better get on board because we will bake -- be in big trouble after tonight and anyone who does not like my opinion, too bad. host: hello, doreen.

caller: we have of water up north. why are we not focusing on that? maybe it is because they are latino. putting kids in cages is fascist. they should keep doing it. they should be able to come over here. we are all immigrants. i don't think we need to be saying these people can't come over here. we can't -- we came over here and sold their land. we have borders of north and south but everyone is talking about down south. host: doreen is a democratic color in texas this morning. we are talking about title 42

expiring and house republicans planning to put a border security proposal on the floor today for a vote. let's listen to the majority steve talese, republican in louisiana on fox. [video clip] >> this is something that anyone who is serious about supporting the portable support. everyone knows the border is open including people around the country and the world. we are seeing 140 countries represented and coming in illegally to the border and it will only get worse with the end of title 42 so the bill we brought forth, are things that president biden can do today and catch -- today. end catch and release. reinstate the remain in mexico protocol and the northern triangle agreements and be are all things that president biden

got rid of when he became president and he halted construction. he can build the wall again. he will not because president biden once a -- president biden once a border. --wants a open border. we will not sit on the sidelines when the crisis is out of control. host: steve scully's, the majority leader in berhow's for republicans on -- in the house for republicans on fox. what do you think about what your party is proposing on the house? caller: i would like to make two comment. -- commentss. host:host: came -- can you your

television first? -- thank you mutes your television first --can you mute your television first? caller: there is no way in the world -- host: we are talking about title 42 now. caller: do you want to get the border in patrol? they need to go to gm, walmart and kmart and let them do the legislation because they get every thing they want. the immigrants are not cutting the checks and you are not getting washing unless you cut checks. unless someone is cutting checks with immigrants we will always have this problem. money talks. it ain't no republican or democrat thing, they ain't doing nothing unless one of them congressmen get some donations from somebody. if the immigrants is poor, ain't

nothing going to be passed down. we can send people to the moon, send drones to russia, but cannot solve our own crisis. we have the baddest military in the country and we can't control our own borders. they don't want to. host: ryan, phoenix, arizona, independent. caller: good morning, everyone. the border situation is crazy. stop and think. we've got lots of people coming. lots of good people, but a lot of those people -- the countries are letting people out of jails, prisons, crime rates, murder rates. it cracks me up the democrats always want to talk about gun control and all this. how is that working out for mexico? they have gun control down

there, super bad crime. they aren't sending the best and brightest over. it is a huge mess. i think it all ties together. the majority of the population is ignorant. the guy earlier saying republicans are like a virus, i think the liberals are just as brain-dead. this president blew up the pipeline and that pollutes the water. we have a president letting all these people, divisions. the border issue, that's bad. close the border, like the last caller said. go after the corporations employing these people. give a pass to citizenship for some, of course, but we have to get this under control. this country is going to fall and i think it's by design. anyone who votes for the biden administration is to blame. we do need a change and it is sad when trump is the better option, but he is the better option. host: vivian in tennessee.

caller: i missed the last session. i was trying to call in but i didn't get it. the man lied through everything last night. this with the border situation, the united states -- i am a democrat and a black woman -- they need to close the border. quit letting these people come in here. these people coming in with all kinds of diseases and some doing crime. some people really come here to work, but here is the number one problem. host: can you see your television? let me show you the picture of folks at the southern border on the front page of "usa today." some of the images of people in line at border patrol. a couple of children in the front. what do you make of children trying to escape with their parents who have either sent them with a smuggler or they are

with their parents to come to the border? caller: yes, i see that. this is what i'm seeing. i remember when i was a little girl a long time ago. my grandmother used to go to different states and pick vegetables and fruits and stuff and they paid them to do that. they found they could get cheap labor they cut the jobs off of them. the number one thing i want to talk about this morning is these big, rich companies. they don't want to raise the salaries for people to work. but the immigrants who is working for them is cheap money. they are getting income tax money from them people. they are not getting income tax. they get ids and social security cards and everything. naturally, they are going to come. right now close the border and take care of our people here. host: a picture in the new york times, a family from columbia removes their shoe laces as they

prepare to be processes by court border patrol in el paso, texas. michael in palm beach, florida, republican. what do you say on this border security debate, title 42, ending at midnight tonight? caller: i hope we act as a country and instead of acting in fraction or factions here. my grandfather came from italy and he was allowed to come through ellis island. to have an open border is really a disgrace for all america. i think joe biden is really the king of disgrace in this country. i have been a democrat most of my life. when trump came in i kind of switched. he did go a little crazy at the end, and i give you that. if we are an economy, if your

family, economic issues first. then we will take care of the social issues. yes, we will take care of every social issue, but without money, without a good economy we are doomed to not be able to help these issues. host: michael, as you were talking viewers were seeing migrants at a shelter in mexico featured in "the new york times." title 42 set to expire requires them to wait. it required them to wait in mexico if they were seeking asylum. title 42 ending at midnight tonight. border patrol has been increased -- the numbers have been increased. national guard has been sent to the border. they are expecting a surge of what could be 13,000 per day. the wall street jona notes

that the arrests he ne from 4000 to 5000, to lately in recent days around 8000 a day. edward in paris, ohio. independent. your turn. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: you bet. caller: you think about 140 countries migrating to this country, a lot of them are coming through the northern border. build a wall along the canadian border. host: what should be done? what can be done? caller: the united states is a great nation. we have been a world power since before the civil war. during the world wars ellis island was very busy. you had boatloads of people coming into new york, italians, germans, all over europe and the world. we, as a nation, should set an example on how we handle

immigration. i look at these people coming across the border in desperation. most of them are going to be taxpayers. these are future taxpayers. the politicians need to understand this. this is future growth for the country. we need to filter them out and get the bad ones back out over in our prison system. we need to really upgrade that along with our judicial system, especially the supreme court, but that's a different topic. but we need to do is welcome these people. and vet them. make sure everyone is honorable and they can be part of the tax structure, the school system, and they should recite the pledge of allegiance in english to be able to work with the united states. we shouldn't be changing our national tongue to spanish. i love the spanish, but we are americans, and we have english

speaking, and it should be required. host: we will hear from johnn chantilly, virginia. john, we are taking or questions on the ending of title 42 on a vote in the housecurity package. caller: thank y taking my call. i am an immigo this country a long time ago. the thing that bothers me ise arerom other countries. followed the law of this country. we went to the embassy and filed paperwork and waited for years anyears and nobody called us until we became an american system and you challhe system. if the system wants to work they must control every country how many people they get asylum. when the people come from this country -- 15,000 people. no country will accept this kind of crap.

15,000 people showing up every day for asylum. i am an immigrant, i like to follow the rule of law, but the problem is, right now, the whole constitution around immigration needs to go back and fix it. because that is the whole problem. when we came here and we filed paperwork for my wife i waited for seven years to get my wife, to bring her here. it is amazing to me that the people come to the border, across the board are right now, and get everything they want. i am an immigrant, like i said. we care about the people. host: where are you from and how much did it cost you to come to the united states and pursue a legal pathway to citizenship? caller: it cost me more than already thousand dollars, believe it or not. more than $30,000. you can imagine that the

waiting, the families waiting in another country that i have to send bills every month, work until the papers have been processed at the embassy. sometimes the embassy, they don't do the work that you are supposed to do and they ignore you, but you have no choice. you just have to swallow. the problem i have here is not that i don't want people coming here when there is a war in their country. the problem is people are abusing the system. these politicians, we see every day. we can change the law. one green card can bring 30 people. one green card because the system is the way that it is. this is -- you know. host: we will leave it there because we have a lawmaker on capitol hill. they're joined by congressman barry moore of alabama who

serves on the judiciary subcommittee on immigration integrity, security, and enforcement. sir, thank you for your time. we heard earlier from lou carrera that the migrants who are showing up at the southern border, while they used to be largely mexican and central american, now we are seeing folks from china, india, etc. what have you heard about who is showing up at the border in these recent days and hours leading up to the expiration of title 42? guest: we have had a number of hearings. we had immigrants from 106 different nations and different prices on their heads. south of the border, $7,000. russia and japan, 19 thousand dollars. syria was paying $20,000. that money is going to the mexican drug cartel. we are basically -- this

administrations border policies have reinstituted slavery in this country where we are bringing people all over the globe to make indentured payments to the cartel south of the border. host: what will the gop bill on the house for today do to stop the flow of migration? guest: a couple of things. number one, it sends a message. the instant asylum program, these are unaccompanied minors that i saw at fort bliss at the emergency intake center. we were shipping children to google addresses around the country with no verification on who they are going to. the sponsors are sending information in, so we are trafficking children. we have lost 85,000 of those children. the u.s. government doesn't know where they are at. we send a message that we are going to detain those unaccompanied minors, send them back coming have to process asylum in your country rather than coming here. we are putting the burden on the

american taxpayer. the system, education or health care, people are pouring in. 5 million people, that is my entire states population that is now in the education and health care system and not paying back into the system and it's a travesty what's going on in this country and is a concern for us with sovereign borders. host: we heard the homeland security secretary say that the border is not open and when title 42 expires the border will detain and return those seeking asylum whereas they might have been considered before. they won't be now. guest: he said that, but we found -- the cartel found a lot of openings at our border and they outflank us at every process. when we put a rule in place they have a plan b. he has told us time and time again that the border is secure but that's not the case. i have heard testimony from

sheriffs. he testified that for three decades at the southern border he never sought as good as 2018 and never as bad as now. host: what is your take on the debate within your party over e-verify? guest: e-verify is a system that we put in place in the state legislature in alabama that seems to work ok. the system has been working in my state and a lot of the border states verifying people and making sure they are eligible and able to work. i am ok with e-verify. i don't have problems with it. host: do you have concerns that could reinforce labor shortages? guest: the economy, the way it's going under this administration. we have 5 million people that will be competing with jobs as the economy slows as we move into this crazy inflation. the challenges that we will face because of this administration and 5 million people we have to care for, not counting the

expected 700,000 that will cross in the next few weeks. host: we read this morning the immigration laws are outdated. where do you think that republicans and democrats could come together? where is the common ground? guest: where can we come to common ground? i don't know. i would love to see us build the wall. i would love to see them remain in mexico and not just a rush of asylum. no matter where you're coming from it is like you get a motion to appear in court, we give you a cell phone, government subsidies up to $800 a month, then send you on your way in this country. they have our cell phones but aren't taking our calls. by the time it's time to appear in court we lost 95% of those people, 85 thousand people, and young americans. the border is an emergency situation and we have to shut it down. i would work with the democrats where we can to improve the situation but it starts with being truthful.

the administration is not being truthful and we will pay a price down the road, as we already are. host: congressman lou career is said we have been trying to build a wall since the clinton administration and that it's not helping to deter the flow of migration. it increases come it ebbs and flows, and it has done so under all administrations. why focus on the wall? guest: that's not true. walls work. democrats put them up around the capital when they are concerned around security. they put them up around their houses. walls work. i would encourage my friends to visit the border. it allows cbt to cover so much more ground. there are openings along the border. the same people who say we cannot afford a wall, we spent 113 billion dollars to secure a border in ukraine. how much sense does that make for the american people, putting our nation, our economy first? host: sir, we appreciate your time and thank you for joining

us from capitol hill this morning. guest: appreciate it. host: al in fort lauderdale, florida, republican. we heard from a democratic lawmaker in the house and now a republican one. whatdid you hear from them ? caller: this is more of a vote of political science. the democrats enjoyed super majority in the 1960's and 1970's. ted kennedy introduced immigration legislation in the late 1960's and the democrats understood they need new voters. most americans as they assimilate and become older they become more conservative. this is why you have a divided government. democrats are placating to the far left because they have to to keep power. this is more about power and attempting to get more voters into the country. massachusetts was a republican stronghold until the committees got in.

ted kennedy understood that the future of the democratic party depended on immigration. this is why you have seen silence from the department head. he got his order from the democrat to keep quiet. we all know common sense's people coming to this country need to know who george washington is. they need to know the american experience. why did we go to normandy? these are things they need to know. people crossing the border don't know that. they live here for five or 10 years. you have pockets of areas that don't even look like america anymore because of that. host: hannah in dallas, texas, independent. what do say on immigration debate? caller: i say that we should allow legal immigration. we should have people come and assimilate to our constitution our laws.

these people coming across don't respect any of our laws, clearly, and i don't think they deserve, respect, or appreciate anything we are paying for them to get when they come here. they throw food away. we feed them, house them, give them cell phones, plane tickets, and bus rides. that is a lot of money that goes into these millions of illegal immigrants. then they disrespect us by throwing the food away because they don't like it. host: you say "they." every one of them? caller: most of them coming here get a free ride. host: how do you know that? caller: who else would do that? do you respect our country? would you go to somebody else's house and trash it? if you want to stay there long term you assimilate to what they say that there house rules are. otherwise, you don't care, you don't respect our country then we don't want you here. host: what did you see or listen

to the scene that you're talking about? caller: new york. they came and they were staying in new york city and they refused to leave the hotels so they could put family migrants in them. they had all men. they asked them to move out so they could take them to other places so families can stay together and they refused and they were causing a ruckus. the hotel manager went on several different news stations to report on how horrible they were, getting drunk and causing fights. they showed pictures of the rooms that were trashed, there was beer and booze all over the place. the food they were throwing away because they didn't like it because it wasn't from where they come from. it was that stuff. i want to know, why would c-span not lay a press conference from jim talking about the biden family corruption and then put the trump disposition of a rape

case in 1990 that he was found not guilty on? host: we did cover it and we did play the entire news conference yesterday. you're talking about house oversight chairman committee -- house oversight committee chairman james comer. allegedly millions of dollars transferred from foreign entities into the biden family and related companies. he was joined by several members of -- republican members -- of that committee. here is a little of what he had to say yesterday. [video clip] >> with respect to president biden, i don't think that anyone in america watching c-span or any network covering this with think that it is just a coincidence that nine biden family members have received money for this influence scheme. what business is there? the media has always said two things.

many in the media have said, no transactions have met while joe biden was vice president. we proved that wrong. joe biden said in 2020's family never took money from china. we proved that wrong and you have it in your memorandum, the bank transfers. we believe that the president has been involved in this from the very beginning, obviously. we are going to continue to look. there are -- we have cited today and we are updating you today four banks. the results from four banks. we believe there are 12 banks. right now, you can say that we are in the beginning stages of this investigation. host: oversight committee chair james comer talking about, with republican members of the committee, the investigation so far.you can watch the entire news conference if you go to c-span.org. we aired the entire news

conference yesterday. dylan in washington, democratic caller. your thoughts on title 42 ending? caller: obviously, i just want to pre-input with the current state of education in this country is absolutely horrible. people are failing to realize that this is not a matter of individuals in our society. that republican senator, or representative, said, you know, border walls work, which is nonsense. most of the people who emigrate from other countries to the u.s. do not come here by foot. they come here by plane and other means. and, on top of that, the united states and republicans support the war on drugs. the war on drugs is why cartels in mexico are so strong, because

our prohibition of these drugs has allowed a black market to thrive for the past 60 years. there aren't even talking about the cia and their influence on the cocaine trade in mexico! but we are seeing is not individual issues -- what we are seeing is not individual issues. host: on capitol hill the drug enforcement administrator opened up her testimony talking about the drug cartels and the fentanyl that they are seeing. the drug cartels are putting it in illicit drugs and leasing copycat prescription drugs with fentanyl. if you missed that you can go to c-span.org. mike in houston, texas, a republican. hey, mike. caller: when you showed the images of the people in line, the immigrants, the migrants, getting food, waiting to get in

line, you know what i see? i see socialism. i see people who grew up in small countries, small nations in central america and mexico and elsewhere around the world who lived the blight of socialism. there is no economic system on earth that strips humans from their dignity and their talents and their opportunity and their private property rights more than what socialism shows on tv every single day. and they are coming here to bleed it. i understand why they want to do that, because i love people, but i hate bad ideas. that's what i hate. bad ideas are run by dictatorships and socialistic ideas in mexico and beyond. that is why you have criminal elements like drug cartels thriving and socialistic nations. host: what do you think should

be done then at our border? caller: you have to stop the flow. you have to accept the rules. we are a sovereign nation and we get to choose who comes into our country. we don't just step aside and let people walk into our country. we have seen with our own eyes that walls work. you have to control who comes in. we have to know who they are. there are so many things we don't know about them. we have court dates for them in 2027. you have to have a wall and allow border patrol to do their thing. no disrespect, no disrespect, but when has a border patrol agent had an opportunity to tell you and the american people what they see? we hear from mayorkas, not the rank and file border agents ever. host: a number of years ago we did go to the border, c-span and washington journal, and we did talk with border patrol

agents and got a look at what it was like on the ground there. giving us their perspective from capitol hill now is republican tom tiffany republican of wisconsin member of the judiciary subcommittee on immigration security and enforcement. you just heard the viewer talking and he said that we have to stop the flow. what do you think would stop the flow of migrants that we are seeing? guest: it is very easy. the bill that we are about to pass in the house to secure the border. president biden should signal to all democrats that it's time to do this. it's real simple. he has been talking about 1500 more troops. that is all windowdressing. all you have to do is pass the secure the border bill and enforce it and our border will be secure. host: why will the wall do it? guest: it is a variety of things. it is stopping catch and release.

to build a wall. also to have more border patrol agents. compensate those border patrol agents appropriately. stop the unaccompanied children having their families broken up as a result of the cartels using them as a cash cow. there are a variety of things that can be done, but you stop the pull of illegal immigration. that is what happened on january 20, 2021 when president biden announced that there would be open borders. the pull started immediately. host: there were surges at the border under president trump as well. what do you make of people coming here despite whatever our laws are, trying to escape crime, violence, environmental disasters, etc.? guest: this has happened with all administrations and has been going on for decades. it is a matter of let's secure the border at this point.

the previous administration, who was getting control of the border? my first trip to the borderwas june of 2020 in the final six months of the trump administration. what i heard from local sheriffs on the border is that they were saying we are starting to get control of this. building a wall was part of it. also the message of don't come to america unless you are going to do it legally. host: what can be done to current laws to modernize those legal pathways to citizenship? the existing laws should be enforced. the migrant protocol should be put back in place so a person has their asylum hearing in a safe third country or in mexico. that's the keystone to the secure the border bill. you have to wait outside the united states to have your asylum hearing and see if it's legitimate.

what we found previously is 95% of claims are illegitimate and the biden administration under catch and release is letting everybody in. that's not how this should be done because those coming in illegally are jumping ahead of those that are attempting to do it the right way. host: what testimony have you heard that the biden administration catch and release is letting everybody in? guest: we are seeing all these people come in. over 6 million people, larger than the population of wisconsin have come in illegally in a little over two years. all you have to do is ask the border patrol. the head of the border patrol a couple of months ago asked under questioning by congress, he was asked, is the border secure? he said no. host: what do you make of what we heard from the earlier congressman saying this is not just central americans or mexicans, that are immigrants,

migrants coming from 106 different countries, russia, syria etc. paying tens of thousands of dollars to get into our borders. guest: down in yuma, arizona, i've made two trips there and you talk to the border control agents, 140 different countries have entered over the last couple of years, people from over 140 different countries. i was down in panama about two years ago and isa the incredible crush of people from africa, europe, eastern europe in places like that. they are coming from all over the world. host: what you do about that? guest: you stop the pull. you made the point earlier that this has been going on for a long time. you will always see some of that. when president biden announced we will have open borders, we will do catch and release and we will stop building the wall, that was a clear sign to people

around the world that now is the time to come to america. it was also a key sign to the cartel, the people who are profiting from this that you should load up as many buses as possible and bus those people in here because they are making billions of dollars off of the human misery that is the pipeline to america. host: congressman tom tiffany, republican of wisconsin, we appreciate your time on capitol hill this morning. thank you for joining us. guest: happy to join you today. host: back to your calls, eric in huntsville, alabama, independent. what do you make of this debate? you've heard from three lawmakers on the house side slated to vote on republican proposed bill, build the wall and catch and release. the republican lawmakers are saying that this morning, what do you think? caller: yes, i would like to comment on a historical

perspective on this. the civil war fought in the u.s., the union side, 25% of the troops were immigrants and another 18% beyond those had parents were immigrants. they fought for the union army to defeat the states rights of the south and now i see this playing out again because history is running on a bigger scale. instead of the union, you have the united nations and instead of states rights, you have nationstates. i feel like the u.n. will try to use this to infiltrate and what are the chances that china will send over some personnel to help with our border crisis? host: democratic caller from texas?

go ahead. caller: i think they should reinstate title 42. they should also start building the wall again. i have no problem with the immigrants. my grandfather was from italy but they came legally. on my mom's side, they came, my great grandparents came from germany. but they came legally and i have no problem with them coming in. we need the workers. however, they need to come legally and they need to close the border and from that point, i cannot tell you what they need to do. we cannot let this happen like it's happening. there is too many criminals and too many bad people coming in. host: you can text us this morning as well with your thoughts.

here's richard from the villages in florida. let's listen to a little more from the homeland security secretary who held a news conference yesterday ahead of title 42 expiring. this is what he had to say about the smugglers promising them entering into the united states. [video clip] >> let me be clear, the lifting of title 42 does not mean our borders open. in fact, it is the contrary. enforcement authorities under title eight of the united states

code means tougher consequences for people who cross the border illegally. unlike under title 42, an individual who is removed under title eight is subject to at least a five year bar on reentering into the united states and can face criminal prosecution if they attempt to cross again. smugglers have long been hard at work spreading false information that the border will be open after may 11. it will not be. they are lying. two people who are thinking of making the journey to our southern border, know this, the smugglers care only about profit, not people. they do not care about you or your well-being. do not believe their lies. do not risk your life and your life savings only to be removed from the united states if and

when you arrive here. today, we are beginning a new digital advertising campaign in central and south america to counter the lies of the smugglers with accurate information about u.s. immigration laws. this campaign as to our extensive ongoing communication efforts in the region. as you can see, by the images before us, the removal flights and encounters dishing and encounters with their border agents, we are making it very clear that our border is not open, that crossing irregularly is against the law and those were not eligible for relief will be returned. do not listen to the lies of the smugglers. this is what will happen to you. you will be returned. today, alongside the department of justice, we are finalizing a

new rule to encourage individuals to use available, lawful, safe and orderly pathways to enter the united states. the rule presumes that those who do not use lawful pathways to enter the united states are ineligible for asylum. it allows the united states, it allows us to remove individuals who do not establish a reasonable fear of persecution in the country of removal. noncitizens can rebut this presumption only in very limited circumstances. for example, if they have used our lawful pathways or sought asylum or protection in another country through which they have traveled and worked. this rule goes into effect once the title 42 public-health order terminates tomorrow. on thursday at 11:59 p.m., eastern time. host: the homeland security sec.

at a news conference from the customs and border protection headquarters here in washington, d.c. yesterday. andy from kentucky, republican, good morning. share your thoughts with us on title 42 ending. caller: good morning, i have too many thoughts to share on this. all this is so deep, is just an abomination and it makes you sick and you hear it most of your life this goes on and on and it's what they do to split up each other. something i want to say is that people don't realize it but we are a commune. you've got to pay for everybody else. we are paying for all these illegals and when we get these people in, we have domestic violence through the roof.

you also have the word on the street that brownsville, texas with the mass murder down there, that was a hit job because these people were not paying their dues or did something wrong down there. there are so many things like this. just imagine if you are a leader of a country and you have all these people in prison and you can't do anything with and may be insane or whatever it may be. you will dump them out just like trump said. you will get them out of there. you will have them come up here. those of the murder capital countries of the world. host: we heard your point and i was going to show the viewers the washington journal this morning. the picture they feature are

migrants who swam across the rio grande. they were met by authorities in texas who had just set up barbed wire on the riverbank side. this family with a child met -- was met with barbed wire and homeland security border patrol officials were there. brian in pennsylvania, republican, good morning to you. what do you make of this debate? we are listening. caller: very good, i like what mayorkas is saying and i hope you holds true to it. we are a nation of immigrants but you have to remember that you come in this country legally, you have a sponsor and you're supposed to have a job and just posted take english as a second language. that were some of the requirements. people are coming in as being persecuted. if they are met at the border

and requested to have information they requested asylum in a previous country, then they are allowed. when it comes down to is we are a nation built on slaves backs. i truly believe that's what's happening now. i had a senator tell me one time in washington, d.c. and he said i will guarantee that you go into any restaurant in this town and the guy washing dishes is an illegal immigrant. these companies are using temp agencies to hire these illegals and once again, we all want immigrants in this country. we want them to pay into the tax base. you have to e-verify this not being used by these companies because they are paying them a substandard wage and they know they will not turn themselves in because they will be deported. what has to happen here is i truly believe we need immigration reform that allows the people in here illegally

right now to become legal with one step. report in and we will give you a social security number and find out where you are working and we will contact your employer and we will get the back taxes up that employer but from that point on, you will be legal and pay the tax base and your employer will be fined and pay into the tax base as well. host: let me get your response tohirepublican proposal in the house, restart the construction of the constrti wall and move technology at the border and implode -- impose sint restrictions and requires employers to have leg stus through e-verify. would you vote yes if you are a member of congress today? caller: i absolutely would. weave sections of the border wall tt are just sitting there. you have to have some kind of a funnel to funnel the legal people in.

just like we had that shooting in texas a couple of weeks ago. that guy shot that family up and he was reported four different times and is back in this country. that's why you need the walt because these guys are getting in illegally. we want legal immigrants because we need the workers but we need them paying their fair share and the only way they will do that to be legal and have a social security number. i would deftly vote for that bill. host: catherine, in new jersey, democratic caller. caller: good morning. how are you doing? host: good morning, we are listening to you, go ahead. caller: it's simple to me. we have a problem. the problem is immigration, a lot of people coming up here who want to come to the united states. that's the problem. the solution -- the hr to doesn't sound like a solution to me. stop blaming each party, get it

done, just like nike says, just do it. that's what i have to say about this today. host: ok, let's go back up to capitol hill and joining is there is the congresswoman the democrat of illinois and member of the homeland security subcommittee. thank you for your time. we just heard from a democratic caller who says vote yes on this gop proposal on the floor today. what do you say? guest: i say if we actually go deep into what's in this bill, we would say vote hell no on this bill. it's about putting families back into cages and it saying to any organization like the red cross that if they provide emergency shelter for families that they would not get resources. this is the kind of bill that's

about messaging and fear mongering. if republicans really want to talk about the border and republicans want to talk about the economy in this country, if republicans want to talk about constitutional rights, then we would be sitting down and compromise and come up with a bill to get to the root cause of border issues and the root cause of migration. that is not with this bill is. host: where can you agree with republicans? where is common ground? guest: i would find common ground in saying people need work permits. people are seeking asylum because they are literally dying in their countries. they are walking miles and crossing jungles to get to this country and they want to work and they want to pay taxes so why don't we give people work authorizations and address the issue of the workforce? that's something i've heard. let's give people worker permits. let's acclimate sure the people

doing bad things, we should address those issues with the people, the vast majority are women with children and you cannot tell me that a child deserves to be immediately deported to the countries they are fleeing from? host: would you agree to put a limit on how many people can come in and receive a work permit based on how many jobs there are in this country available? guest: if we actually had a program where we did that, i think we would be able to put a number. i feel like we also have to assess the needs while also understanding there will be people seeking asylum. this country was founded on immigrants. this country has been welcoming for hundreds of years. yes, we should address the

issues of worker authorization to be able to address workforce but we should also continue to provide asylum for those that need it. those may be children and children should never be working. host: how is the city of chicago handling the influx of immigrants they are seeing? guest: chicago is a sanctuary city. is a city that understands that immigrants contribute every single day. my family and my parents were immigrants. my mother was pregnant with me and crossed the border. i went to visit that border with homeland security and i would say we are providing shelter and resources but we also need federal relief. we need to make sure we are working with fema, homeland security two major cities receiving people are able to continue to do that with dignity to provide shelter and support while making sure we give them the legal services they need. host: your mother cross the border from water mollo when she

was pregnant from you, tell us that story? guest: my mother was 19 years old and she didn't have her first pair of shoes until she was seven and she nearly died in the small village my family came from and she had to make a decision to walk 1800 miles, nearly died in the rio grande present -- pregnant with me. her only option for survival was nearly dying so i could be born in a place where he had the ability to survive. today, i am the first latina in the entire midwest of congress and dedicated 23 years of my life to public service to helping veterans and people seeking jobs and helping young people. i have lived a life of contribution which is exactly what immigrants do in this country. host: was she seeking asylum when she came here, what was your process like? guest: there was no opportunity

to come to the port of entry and seek asylum so she crossed illegally between ports. i want to make sure i'm clear that there are people still doing that day because they are not able to because they can't wait on the others. there are people that are so desperate, they are dying of dehydration. they didn't just decide to go to the u.s.. there is no other option left for them. they need to seek asylum imminent means they die while their child is in their womb. host: what should happen next? is this administration prepared for what will happen when title 42 expires? guest: the administration has begun laying out a lot of the border enforcement they will be incorporating. they are creating processing centers in columbia.

they are telling folks that if you are seeking asylum, you have to go to this other country and wait or request an app. if you are seeking asylum from a country like water mollo or mako -- or mexico are seeking asylum because your life is in danger in that country but you are asked to wait there, chances are you will die in that country which is exactly why we have to make sure that when we look at seeking asylum that we still have an opportunity for people who need to be able to enter the port of entry and turn themselves in and they have the due process necessary. right now, the present is talk about sending military to the border. you are seeing governor abbott sending military with guns and national guards to the border. they want to stop families from crossing. i think we actually have to talk about what is the root cause of

migration what is happening at the border and how do we make sure that we have border at the border while making sure we continue to be a country that upholds constitutional rights to seek asylum. host: given the recent surge they are expecting when this expires from 5000 arrest per day to up to 11,000, we heard from a reporter that they could see 13,000 migrants per day. is it not a good idea to have the extra personnel for rule and order, as you said? guest: i think we need to make sure the adequate personnel is there we are able to make sure we are processing and we are able to determine what of the resources that people need and why are people crossing? i don't disagree with that and i believe we have the resources to do that and help fund cities and states like chicago and new york who are providing shelter and have been for the last few

months even before the end of title 42. host: congresswoman ramirez, democrat of illinois, thank you. that your calls, winston, georgia, a republican. what do you think of title 42 and how lawmakers are reacting as well as the biden administration? caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. can you host: hear me? host:yes, we can. caller: i want to say this is an invasion to our country. i want to add that i strongly disagree with representative ramirez. i am from guatemala and my mother came here with six of us. it sounds like they are making

up things, there are ways to do with the right way. it is an insult to the people that went through the citizen process. previous callers mentioned that in order to go through that process, it takes a long time because you have to establish that you can get a job, keep a job and pay your taxes and learn the language. it's really sad that mayorkas -he's a liar and he says immigration is down 90%. i believe we should require military service for all those people once their status is

established. i want to say that illegals not only come here to work but white can't they be also business owners? host: did you say your parents immigrated here? caller: yes, but they did the right way. they went through the process. they came here in the 1990's. host: how old were you at the time? caller: i was 11. i had three sisters that were younger than me and two other brothers. we came here and mostly it was my mom. my father was a little abusive so i believe there is this fuss about seeking asylum from

killers. a lot of it is from domestic abuse and things of that nature. my mom met it with six people and she didn't have to cross a river and put our lives in danger. she saved up and she learned a little bit of english and a bilingual secretary. she saved up. host: where did you come from and how was she able to seek citizenship? caller: she went through the embassy and applied. she went through the legal channels to be able to get us here. we had to apply and we came here on a visitors visa and shortly thereafter, she got a lawyer and she was able to apply for residency and work permits once we became of age.

there is a process. all the laws that are in place, there are avenues to do it right. host: winston, georgia, mickey in vineland, new jersey, independent. your turn. caller: good morning. the big problem here is our foreign policy are allowing dictators to push people out of their homes. you are never going to stop it until you stop the dictators and thugs. you need to develop a foreign policy to keep these people from being forced out of their homes. right now, you are allowing them -- we are handing countries over to dictators and thugs, allowing them to force their people to come here. we are also allowing them to

infiltrate our country. we need a stronger foreign policy to deal with these dictators and thugs. host: ok, richmond, virginia, democratic caller. hi there. you are up in richmond, virginia. all right, one last call, are you there? bill in putnam, illinois. republican, hi there. caller: first off, let me say i know there are people suffering all over the world. it's just a fact. title 42 can expire and we won't miss it at all. i would like you to ask people and politicians, tom tiffany? he was the smartest politician i have heard on tv in months.

he understands international policy. international policy has been in place for a long time that if you are seeking asylum, every country has a united states embassy. or a country embassy. if you want to seek asylum, you go to our embassy and you fill out the proper paperwork through the proper interviews. if you need immediate assistance, you will get it there. but that is what we have to follow. we talk about law and order all the time. nobody follows this in some people don't even know the laws. mayorkas has been regurgitating the same line for month but nothing happens. he's got the right words but

he's got the wrong actions. we just have to follow the laws we have. if you go to the embassy, apply for citizenship and tell them your qualifications. host: bradley, in marietta, georgia, democratic caller. caller: yes, ma'am. first off, the republicans, i've heard it said before and republicans say follow the law. let's make it a capital punishment to hire an illegal immigrant and the corporations will stop hiring them. then america will learn real quick how much we depend on these immigrants. first off, they are not breaking the law. they are trying to earn asylum we have purposely -- in san diego, they can get to a so they turn themselves in.

they are fulfilling a job requirement this country needs and republicans are so high and mighty. it's one of those frustrating things. the call from georgia talked about how his mother got here and when she stayed past her visa, now she's here. also, why is this chaos happening in south america is because of the drug wars. these countries have one valuable item, probably more than that. it is causing an absolute drug war in honduras and guatemala. these cartels are out of control into our fault as americans to punish these people because they were going to hire them to make sure they can't get a living wage. it's absolutely disgusting. republicans don't mean what they say.

they just want the issue. host: a republican in houston, texas, what's your opinion? caller: i live here on the border. i love seeing your pretty face every morning. i can barely stomach pedro but you are my favorite, how are you doing? host: i'm fine so what's it like in houston? caller: i was a lifelong conservative and i've voted for that convicted rapist twice and never again. they've got tunnels all over the place. we find them every day and two thirds of air border is a massive river. the idea of a wall is silly. what i wanted to ask you is it seems like a lot of these conservative states are voting to make children able to work. do you think that has anything to do with all the children that came in over the border in the past few years?

it seems these massive corporations are being caught with 12, 1311-year-olds working. i think there is a lot to this, host: host: what do you think? connie in illinois, republican, let's hear from you. caller: good morning. evidently, nobody is listening to that guy that was just talking. trump was not a rapist. that was thrown out. he did not get convicted of a rape, same as joe biden's accuser. host: we are talking about immigration. ok, the border patrol talk to these people and they come across the border. they have to send them out into the country wherever they want

to go. they said one out of 10 has a legal concern to be in the country. that means 10 out of 100 have a legal thing. the 85,000 kids, have you ever listened to the kids that before president obama built those cages, have you ever listened to them as those girls -- host: we will leave it there and go back up to capitol hill we are joined by another member of congress congressman andy biggs, republican of arizona and he sits on the judiciary subcommittee on immigration and integrity and enforcement. thank you as always for your time this morning. we just talked about children.

we've seen images in today's new york times and other papers of the children that are crossing the border with their parents or without. here is one from: via featured in the -- here is one from columbia. what you think border patrol should say or do when you have women and children crossing the border? caller: guest: we have absolutely no border control. it's controlled by cartels so when you are not refusing entry to anybody, you will see an increase in the number of women and children and unaccompanied minors the, ross. -- the come across. let's talk about children for a second. the number is dramatically higher in the last year and a half or so. we are talking 350,000 unaccompanied children that have come into the country in the last year and a half.

the vast majority, almost 72% of them, or males. -- r males - are ma and they areles 18 -- 14-18 so we were problem with the younger children but as the older children area when you get these women and children coming across, i recognize that is a huge problem. also, don't forget you have literally millions of people trying to get to this country legally every year as well, competing with 6 million people coming through illegally since joe biden became president. host: do you think the drive for many of these folks is escaping violence and crime and environmental disasters and there is a desperation there? >> for some of them, yes that's

true. get people from 160 different nations coming through that have surrendered last year alone. in yuma, i think already 100 countries we had interdicted. there is a sense that people want to come through and they feel they need a better economy and they want a better life and america will provide that. host: is there common ground with democrats and republicans on allowing people to come in to work? there is a labor shortage here and perhaps the two sides can come together on allowing a pathway to stay in the united states, maybe not citizenship, but to work? guest: you already have opportunities right now.

let's clarify something, part of the so-called labor shortage is because the federal government continues to incentivize the people to stay out of the work orders. you have millions of people who have never gone back to the workforce since the covid-19 emergency ended. we've got a labor shortage and that's a contributing factor. we already provide labor opportunities legally. in yuma, arizona, you have probably 7000 people per day to cross over to work in the fields there just in the fields. when some people say we want to allow these people to come in and provide labor, i think of barbara jordan, a liberal democrat who is now deceased but

if we were to get together, we would disagree on 90% of things that she is the one who said that illegal immigration actually harms the black community. that's through labor. you have a lot of people exploiting this through cheap labor through illegal immigration. the other aspect is there are legal avenues that are there and we have with lee really tens of millions in these -- we have literally tens of millions of people in this country. illegally. host: do you agree with the e-verify proposal added to the republican bill that is slated for about today? guest: yeah, in arizona we've had it for 17 years and it seems to have worked pretty well. yeah, i think the e-verify system can work. it's not perfect. host: why is it not perfect?

guest: what we are asking is to provide some kind of identification and sometimes people can obtain a fraudulent idea and that makes it imperfect in and of itself. it is not a foolproof system but it does a significantly good job. host: how does the republican proposal today stop the flow of the migrants we see at the border? guest: if it were put in play, there's a series of things. you have some physical improvements. you close the gap that secretary mayorkas said he would close 11 gaps. he said we close -- will close within 15 months and that has not happened today. you would see some physical barriers go up and try to finish off other sections of the wall that would be helpful.

you also have the reinstitution of a backup that would allow refusal of entry. you would fix the asylum, deal with unaccompanied minors. all of those things go to take away the incentives to come to this country. the reason you see a surgeon knows because there is a tremendous incentive, nobody will be turned away. we have places on the border now where the mexican immigration officials are coordinating with agents on crossing the river. that's what's happening. you take away all of those things and you take away incentives to come here illegally and then you get back to a place where we were at a little over two years ago.

we had a small fraction of apprehension and illegal entries into our country. compared to where we sit today. host: the biden administration post title 42 strategy consists of new centers in guatemala and columbia new family unification parole processes, doubling resettlement, increasing daily appointments on the app that immigrants use. what is your reaction? guest: they are setting up the perfect way to incentivize people to come to this country. cvp one is to facilitate the parole process. sec. new yorkers has admitted that you had probably two dozen

people max per year on the parole process because it's an individual case-by-case. last year, you had 360,000 and this year you will have said but hundred and 50,000 with the new plan that you just iterated. i would expect to have one half times that many people in just coming into the united states. that is a total incentive that's were secretary mayorkas has said. he said we will facilitate that he's concerned with this of setting this with facilitating entry illegally then securing our borders. host: he also spoke about consequences at his news conference. here are the consequences --

guest: let's talk about that -- what does expedited removal mean? it means all you have to do is say i seek asylum. that means you will have expedited release, not removal. everything he is saying is just a narrative. going down to the border, being there and watching this implementation and talking to cvb agents and dogma farmers and ranchers and politicians, when he says expedited removal, that is an old program they actually got rid of because it didn't work so well. if you come in under his asylum approach, they will say i seek asylum. the last group i was at koa we

install 21 they were here for asylum and every one of them said yes. immediately, those people released into the country within six hours. that will be community release of when he says expedited removal, just say you want asylum impact means they cannot be removed. they will be released into the country because there is no place for them. there will be community release. host: we appreciate your time but real quick, your reaction to the arrest on these charges against congressman santos yesterday. what do you think should happen? guest: we should remember that america is a different from the rest of the world. we say you're innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. i give him the presumption of innocence the way i give

everyone even if you are charged with the crime, you presumed innocent. i think senator menendez from new jersey indicted 14 counts including bribery and when he got through this trial, he had hung juries and they didn't retry those but he says today that the chairman of the foreign aids committee is from the united states. i see al hastings and anyone impeached from bribery as a judge served in congress for many years. i think we give representative santos the same benefit of the doubt we give everybody else and that is the presumption of innocence in this great country. host: thank you for your time. guest: thank you. host: back to the calls on title 42 ending at midnight tonight. house republicans plan to vote on a border security proposal today. dave in north attleboro,

massachusetts, independent. caller: yes, good morning c-span. and the whole world. i just wanted to say that under president trump, his policy was that the southern border of mexico -- was at the southern border of mexico. when he came in, the state representative massachusetts said it was like fort apache the bronx and then he went down 2019 he said i can walk around and chase people. then he goes back with but he's a 21. we are all paying for this.

everyone out there in 1987, i hope met it -- mexicans become dual citizens. i hope they work here 30 years. a lot went back to mexico and some state here. it's all of our foreign aid -- host: we heard that point. wonder girl on twitter --

jamal in north carolina come republican, where are you on expiration of title 42 and immigration proposals? caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call. i want to do some math on this. you are talking or thousand people per day. that's almost 5 million people per year. in about 78 years, you have the total population of the whole country that came over from the border. that's the first thing. the second thing is the work. i'm an african-american black male. we have able-bodied young black men and women searching and looking for good quality work so that they can make a living wage , so they don't have to sell drugs and break laws to be

citizens of this country. we had able-bodied people here to do work. the problem is, the united states government has not raise the minimum wage to a livable wage. that's part of the problem is raising the minimum wage so that able-bodied people in this country can make a living wage doing the job. if you've got 5 million people per year coming from guatemala, mexico, wherever they come from in south america, we need to send her military there. military needs to be sent to their before it needs to be sent to ukraine. there is a military issue going on down there and they are running 5 million people per year appears we need to have our military down there figuring out what's going on with the drug cartels. host: they are seven countries, how can you put air military in their countries?

caller: it doesn't matter whether they are sovereign countries, we need to give aid to the sovereign countries to cure the military problem they have. that's the problem. host: all right, on this surge of migrants at the border from the wall street journal this morning -- we heard from capitol hill rollcall call reported this morning in the figure she has heard from her sources 13,000 per day. danny and conway, arkansas, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call.

what about the humanitarian aspect of the immigration? i understand your concern but we cannot take the immigrants from wherever they want to come from. it's just impossible for us. my major point is the problem exploded the day biden became president. what the intent is by the democrats in the media is standing by while it happens that fox news reports about it, the other mainstream media ignores the problem. democrats want to create a permanent constituency that will overpower republican voters from here on out.

we have a legal immigration program and it had one for years. when you hear the news commentators talk about the illegal immigration, it's not illegal, it's just the immigration situation. it's being mishandled and misstated. we feel like we are losing our country. it does not happen by accident, it has happened by intent. the democrats want to take over our country forevermore. host: let me show you this chart from pew research from back in january. you can see the total migrant encounters by u.s. border patrol at the u.s.-mexico border by months and year. you can see it spiked in january

and you can look at how it has gone up and down over the years to where this is ending in january of november of 2022. what do you make of that? people have noted this has been sapped -- this has been happening for several administrations. caller: yes, i understand that. it's been a continual fight. i remember when reagan made illegals citizens years and years ago. that was supposed to cure the problem but it didn't. big business is a big part of the problem. it gives them cheap labor. host: another thing i want to

share is in the first month of the covid-19 pandemic, the border patrol relied heavily on title 42. that's the orange part of this chart. that pattern has shifted more recently under the biden administration. in november, 2020 two come about two thirds of all migrant encounters resulted in them staying. in baltimore, democratic caller, you are next. morning to you. caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call. i have a different perspective on this issue. i think immigration, illegal immigration that we have right now is a blowback effect. we go around and do things that empires do. people come to this country

because they want to live a better life. for the last 60 years, we have a total [indiscernible] we have invaded haiti more than six or seven times and more recently, barack obama declared venezuela and national security threat to america. that has destroyed the venezuelan economy. we had over 60,000 sanctions on countries who were mostly poor. if we can change our foreign policy and lift the sanctions on these countries, i think we will see this immigration problem reduced. america is an empire, not a country. empires two things that empires do and that's why we have a problem. host: chris in illinois in a text --

washington, d.c. independent, good morning. caller: good morning. a couple of your previous colors were pretty much spot on and one talked about the military being utilized outside this country. it's no different than fighting the war on drugs. why wait for the issue to come here when you can address it there? this is about wealth. america's prosperity is based on somebody else's misery. it's literally about the accomplishment of wealth. why do we need this? it's about cheap labor she don't

go after these huge companies that import lemons or oranges. they can pay them cheaper. those people pay taxes. it's not a situation the united states is attempting to resolve. one thing we know and capitol hill is that both sides are just meant to discredit each other and they pander to anyone to get votes and they don't the -- they try to get you to think emotionally but not rationally. it doesn't matter who it is, nothing will ever change this nation is about wealth and exploitation of the poor. host: what do you think drives change in immigration? what would make washington come together for some sort of solution? caller: i think you're onto something.

the only time is you have to look through history and you look at what congress has agreed upon whether is to extend the debt ceiling which is a money issue or whether it's to go to work which is a money issue. it has to really be something when the united states or the people in congress, not the president but the people in congress who have been here endless amounts of years and have not been subject to term limits. once they all decide to come together, it is all based on the election cycle, it is based on who they are pandering to. or, when the rest of the people are so frustrated that they eventually bring about change. but change seldom happens in this nation so we are kind of desensitized to it. the one thing we know for sure for certain is that the person you voted for might not come to

capitol hill, your tax dollars will. host: here is the president responding to questions from reporters earlier this week on -- about the situation on the border that we have been discussing all morning and the ending of title 42. >> is united states ready for the surge of people that is going to start starting this week? pres. biden: i spent close to an hour with the mexican president today. we are doing all we can. the answer is it remains to be seen. we have an overwhelming cooperation with mexico. we are also in the process of setting up offices in columbia and other places where someone seeking asylum can go. it remains to be seen. it will be chaotic for a while. host: the president talking

about the situation at the border when title 42 expires at midnight tonight. we are taking your thoughts on the title 42 program and the public order as well as republicans plan to vote on their own border security plan today. behind us in the house of representatives and our coverage of that beginning at 10:00 a.m. eastern time today. jimmy, st. paul, minnesota. republican. good morning. guest: -- caller: good morning and i will get right to the point. my brother has a terrible addiction problem with fentanyl. and heroin prior to that. what i found is that fentanyl is mostly made in china and comes in through regular points of entry. in container ships, the mail at etc.. it does not come over the mexican border.

i think that is just a fear mongering. you had a caller earlier that said that it was not a convicted rapist, it is only sexual assault. is that better? i think we need to stop and really take a look at our border policy and make a humane way to come over. not fear monger because it is not good. capitalism runs on blood. host: ryan. leesburg, virginia texting "i am a u.s. citizen and own a service business. i am competing with immigrants who are charged less and are raising a family without taxes while i do. laws will tighten up once white-collar jobs start becoming threatened." assad. fort smith, virginia. a democratic caller. caller: i have been listening to this and i have been hearing

people blaming stuff like socialism, drugs, and votes, basically. i am sitting and listening to the congresspeople that you have on and people like that, and i tend to believe now that immigration really does not have -- is really not a problem. i think it is the demographics that a lot of people are concerned about. and, i heard people speak about drugs and stuff and how socialism and stuff is what is causing that. but, i think those people over there in those countries are doing exactly what we do here. and it is called capitalism. the cartels capitalize on the people's suffering and willingness to get over here to the state. to me it seems like those people are being are being beat at

their own game. those people are getting here, i do not think people are traveling through the desert and all of that with their children and putting them at risk if they really did not have a legitimate reason for being here. which is just to try and survive and have a life. i just think a few americans who have a problem with that, as far as being a demographics change. i think it is a demographics issue. host: understood. let me go to damien and laurel, maryland. a republican. caller: the problem is our laws. and following laws especially. what we need to do is suspend the law and how we do that is declare war -- not a real war, but we do it on paper which gives us the ability to send the

military to the border. instead of asylum seekers we count them all as refugees and we build camps. but the current laws are not working so we have to suspend those laws and the only way to suspend them is to declare war on mexico, but not a real war, justice and the military down to the border. host: the biden administration sent military down and we heard from the homeland security secretary saying more personnel are going to the border and homeland personnel as well as they expect the surge to continue. also greg abbott criticizing president biden's policies while he announced deployment of a new national guard units to turn back migrants crossing into texas illegally. here he is. [video clip] >> president biden is laying

down a welcome mat to people across the entire world saying that the united states border is wide open and it will lead to an incredible amount of people coming across the border illegally. president biden's open border policy is going to cause a catastrophic disaster in the united states. according to the biden administration itself, they anticipate about 13,000 people coming across the border illegally every single day, and if you extend that over the course of the year it means they will be about 4 billion people coming across the border a year. that would mean that that would be more people coming across the border illegally than there are residents of the massive city of chicago. the bottom line is it does not have to be this way. never forget this, just three

years ago we had the lowest border paul -- border crossing in decades. the low number of border crossings were the result of the policies put in place by the trump administration. it was the title 42 policy, remain in mexico policy. the end of catch and release, tilting a border wall, and sending a message across the entire world. america is not open to people trying to come here illegally. if they want to come to the united states of america, you must do so legally, not illegally. today, however, we are dealing with the highest number of people coming across the border than ever before, and we will set a new all-time record this year. all of this as a result of policy decisions by joe biden. [end video clip] host: texas governor greg abbott

on the border announcing the new national guard unit to patrol the texas border with mexico. ashley. arlington, virginia. democratic caller. what do you think about title 42 ending, and how others have responded? caller: honestly, especially with governor greg abbott's recent comments. three years ago if you want to pull up statistics, covid was happening. obviously there is a massive pandemic going on. we saw slowdowns and travel everywhere. it is fear mongering and twisting statistics in their favor to get people scared and up in arms. even when you look at news coverage, cnn right now is covering the press conference with donald trump. fox news literally has a countdown on the amount of time before they say that there is going to be an invasion.

or the republican representative that you had on earlier said that we have no border. they want to act like people are just pouring over and that is not the case. it is fear mongering and twisting statistics to get people up and arms and get their demographic, which is old white people, which is fine. that is their demographic, to get them afraid and going to the polls. host: tom. harlem, michigan. republican. what do you think? caller: i was slammed by her being an old white man, so i take that as an insult. anyway. it is a total disaster. trump slowed down the traffic by a long margin. he wanted to build a wall. democrats with biden stopped it and that is a big mistake. the question i have is how many

people can we take on. what is the number? give me a number? what is the objective? we continue forever until the country is destroyed? these people come in with nothing and we are giving them things. how much can taxpayers afford to put out before the debt that we have right now, $31 trillion. what is the end result? what is the plan? right now it is chaos. joe biden admitted it. when you ask him what to expect -- the 1500 people they sent down there are paper pushers. they are not helping secure the border, they are just paper pushers. it makes no sense. it is a complete mess. it is like obama said, leave it up to joe biden to completely screw things up and that is what

he is doing. host: nathaniel, democratic caller. irvington, new jersey. caller: hello, always a pleasure to be on c-span. i think coming at this from a democratic standpoint that policing and patrolling the border should be a unifying argument, it should not divide us. a lot of people say is that with a lot of immigrants, they do jobs that us americans do not want to do, that is not true. if you look at it from an economic standpoint, most of the jobs the immigrants do, the reason that americans do not do it is because of the wage. it is because they do not pay livable wages. when we continue to let immigrants take these jobs away from americans, americans get jobs cut out from underneath us. one last thing i will say, just being african-american in this country, immigrants get all of

these different things given to them. we have been here since the beginning of time, and we still cannot get respirations, -- reparations, affordable housing and health care that immigrants get from day one. thank you so much for your time today. host: we will go to granada, mississippi. ben, independent. good morning. caller: i just have one question, why can't they just let the states handle it? i mean you only have three states that the immigrants can come across. that is california, and arizona. host: how would the states be able to afford or have the resources to handle it? caller: i mean, they buff them

out. daniel in florida. democratic caller. good morning. caller: good morning. title 42, i think it should have stayed in for another year. but, as far as immigrants go, i think all of the republicans are immigrants just like i am an immigrant. because my grandparents were from england. i think it should be -- i think we should make a lot more people come through the border. jobs can be filled. host: how do you keep title 42 in place when it was an emergency public health order? how do you keep it in place when people and congress and the president have declared that the pandemic is over? caller: yes, you are right about that.

i will let does next speaker go, -- the next speaker go, i guess. host: denise in new york. independent. caller: good morning, can you hear me ok? host: we can. caller: i think we are missing the point on a lot of this. however we handled the border and immigration in the future, but we have all of these people coming in and we cannot accounts to where they are going. and the problem is that it is going to be medical, these people getting medical care. it is housing and education. they are going to flood areas already under stress and add more stress. it will be more money and your health care is going to go up because no matter what, in new york state anyway, you can go to any hospital and they have to care for you.

we want to care for people, do not get me wrong. that is the problem, you do not have enough teachers, and you have to know where people are going to put teachers and hospitals. we are not doing that. until we figure that out. the other point, this is modern slavery. people keep talking about slavery and reparations from years ago. look at the modern slavery going on now that these people have to pay back to the cartels and the 85,000 children that came across that we cannot account for. we do not know where they went. they could be with pedophiles. those are the things that i think we should be focusing on. host: i'm going to leave it there because we have to go back to capitol hill. our last lawmaker is joining us, democratic congressman vincente gonzalez represents the 34th district in texas. tell us what it is like in the

34th district of texas right now and in recent days with the surge of migrants? guest: so far we have been able to keep it under control but the border control cheap in that sector has done an amazing job in keeping order and processing them in an orderly way. with the search that we have had to this point. there have been problems, but overall be r.o.k. up to now. we are concerned that once title 42 is lifted that if there is an overwhelming surge, even with infrastructure in place we have problems, and as you know, i was not for lifting titles there -- title 42 at this moment and we could create more processing centers for migrants further away from the border like guatemala and panama and costa rica and other places where people can ask from her asylum -- for asylum for a distance. and if they are going to ask for

asylum, why can't we take pressure off of the southern border and remove the cartels out of the equation as well. host: the administration says that they are creating more processing centers in areas that you are talking about, colombia and etc.. guest: before i lifted title 42, i would have done that because i think it is very impactful. so far there is an application being used, there is more security along the border, and we cannot forget, we can shift from title 42 to title 8 to enforce immigration laws. there are other tools that can be used by border control and cbp at the border to deal with the mass surge. it is a concern. host: outlined title 8 for the viewers. guest: it is laws that are in place all the time. you need a visa or one of the

few ways of a short laundry list of ways to come into the united states. if you are coming from venezuela , nicaragua, cuba or haiti, they will be looked at differently. from mexico you will probably be returned within 48 hours. so it will just be regular immigration laws that we have been enforcing way before title 42 was triggered. title 42 is only a few years old. and it was during the pandemic. it was very effective at keeping people on the others the border. strict title 8 where we are deporting people within 72 hours would probably be no different and would stop the flow of migrants. we will see what policies the administration will ultimately use. host: you talk about in your district along the border, the border chief has processed folks in an orderly way.

describe what it is like. if we were to go there and, you have been there, if you are crossing the border claiming asylum or arcot, what is it like? guest: let me tell you what it is like in brownsville, texas in a staging center that the border patrol in that center -- sector has put together. it is on a golf course on the rio grande. it is called camp monument. we have migrants coming across the rio grande into this place where they are met at different tents and small buildings where they are housed and then brought in one by one any line, orderly where an agent will get there documentation, take facial recognition photos of them which is registered into their profile

and then they move on. the ones that moved on, they are bussed laterally along south texas to other centers, and from there they move north to their final destination. so far, at about 1000 a day or 1100 -- 800 to 1100 a day, brownsville, texas under their model has been able to handle the surge. the concern is if 10,000 people popped over and even an orderly process that exists now would be overstressed. host: what happens when folks are released into the united states, into their final destination. we have heard from viewers saying that the united states just use -- just loses track of them. guest: that is always a concern. some of them give us the information we have and we know where they are going and who their sponsor is and a place

where they can receive information on what their next legal procedure will be in this country. let us make something clear. i have been opposed to the asylum process for a long time because 75 to 80% of asylum-seekers come into this country and never qualify for asylum. we have to begin with that. 20 to 25% to 25% have a legitimate shot of a legitimate claim in this country. and i have been for asking or even having or having asylum hearings away from the borders in countries creating safe zones where migrants can show up and ask for asylum and be interviewed by an officer at that juncture. and ultimately have a hearing whether it is on zoom or literally in a safe stone on the border of mexico and walla walla

-- quad lamella. -- guatamala. the asylum laws are antiquated and they no longer fit the world we are living in and we need to change them and update them. we need to create ways for people to ask asylum in a modern day safe and humane way. and to walk through mexico and pay cartels is insane. host: do you think the 75% that are turned away should be granted asylum. how would you change the laws? guest: the 75% that do not qualify, they get absorbed into the economy because we have such a labor shortage. we should have a robust guest worker program so people can ask for a permit to work in the united states, but do it from their home country. when they show up to the border the vast majority are coming from impoverished comfort --

countries looking for better opportunities. they give you a laundry list of things that would qualify them for asylum. but the fact is is that we go back to statistics to ultimately how many qualify for asylum and you are looking at 20 to 25% maximum. the vast majority just simply do not ever qualify for asylum. do you want to let the man under some other pathway? maybe we do, but we do not have that pathway in law, and it is not available. that is something that congress needs to fix. we need to have a robust guest worker program and other ways for migrants to come and work and participate to the extent that the economy can withstand it. but those pathways do not necessarily exist in a robust way right now. host: explained that. we have a guest worker program. guest: that is exactly right.

it is not robust, limited and complicated. you have a very small number depending on what country you are from that is allowed in. those are issues that we need to fix on capitol hill. we do not talk enough about that. we talked about the insecurity of the border and the surge is, but we do not talk enough about how to repair immigration laws that would have an impact to the root cause. host: how will you vote on the gop proposal? guest: i am a no. everyone from farmers to ngo's are part of it. they want to build a wall and defund ngo's like the red cross, catholic charities that have been doing an amazing job in processing some of these migrants on the border. they want to clampdown on

e-verify which is unreasonable for some people. there are a lot of things in this bill that are going to fail and it is not going anywhere. it is another messaging piece from the other side. host: congressman, thank you for your time. we have a few minutes left in our conversation with all of you before the house gavels in. they will be considering the republican proposal to beef up the border. the security along the u.s. southern border today. the coverage starts here on c-span. gavel-to-gavel coverage. you can watch on c-span.org or follow along with the free mobile video app, c-span now. john in texas, republican. hello. caller: i just listened. i was raised 25 miles north of brownsville. there are several things that he did not tell you. number one businesses down there

knowingly hire illegals and not one of them has ever seen a jail cell. point number two, all of these people coming across the border pregnant and go straight to the emergency room and then that child is born is an american citizen and the mother will get government assistance. taxpayers cannot afford it. they do not tell you that stuff. they only tell you what you think you should hear and not what you need to hear. thank you. host: connie, new jersey. democratic caller. hello. caller: hello and good morning. i have a lot of things to say, but i will just say one. and for the last caller, give back the taxes to the people who have been -- and then we can talk about it. that is what i have to say.

because everybody says my america. but america used to be half of spain. host: connie in new jersey. the homeland security secretary hold a conference on title 42 ending. if you missed it you can find it on c-span.org and watch it on demand. the coverage, of course of the republican proposal on border security happened on c-span as well. the rules committee when they debated the legislation before it came to the floor, we have coverage on that on c-span.org. and then we are expecting that today when the house gavels in they will take up the border security proposal that all of you have been hearing about today on the washington journal. also our coverage in washington,

9:00 a.m. on c-span3, we have coverage of secretary austin and the joint chief of staff, chair general mark milley. they will be testifying on the budget for the pentagon on c-span3, or c-span now. and then 2:00 p.m. eastern time, the house oversight will have a hearing about the infant formula crisis from the fda as well as others. you can watch that on c-span3 as well and on demand on c-span.org and the free video mobile app, c-span now. that is happening today. our coverage in washington, also other coverage as well as the house continues to work in washington this week, and the senate as well. coverage that you can find on demand at c-span.org. roy, austin, texas.

republican. go ahead and tell us your comments on title 42 ending at midnight tonight. caller: good morning, first i would like to say that our immigration laws allow for approximately 140,000 immigrant-based visas every year, ok? and the actual number of immigration people based on the immigration act of 1990 was raised to 675,000 annually. the solution is simple. the first 675,000 that can be vetted properly are allowed in and everyone else's sent away. host: we have to leave it there in. thank you for watching. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] the speaker pro tempore: the house will come to order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker.